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We do not assume any responsibility or liability for the use or interpretation of this content.\r\n\r\nThe 5 Traits of a Great Dad\r\n\r\nGuest:Jerrad Lopes\r\n\r\nFrom the series:How to Become a Great Dad (Day 3 of 3)\r\n\r\nAir date:June 26, 2026\r\n\r\nJerrad (00:04):\r\n\r\nI just think people are willing to give a lot of grace to genuine humility.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:09):\r\n\r\nThat's it.\r\n\r\nJerrad (00:10):\r\n\r\nAnd that's spiritual leadership, isn't it? Just humble men.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:14):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nJerrad (00:14):\r\n\r\nJust be humble. \u201cI don't know what I'm doing. I'm trying. I'm sorry. I need to get this right.\u201d I say that to my six-year-old. One day she's going to come to the decision of, \u201cDo I want to follow Jesus? I have sin in my life.\u201d And I hope that she says, \"Well, I've seen my daddy repent. I've seen my daddy need a heart change and so do I.\" And that I would model just not all the spiritual disciplines, but model for her what it looks like to say, \"I need Jesus desperately.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:49):\r\n\r\nWelcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I'm Ann Wilson.\r\n\r\nDave (00:56):\r\n\r\nAnd I'm Dave Wilson and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com. This is FamilyLife Today. \r\n\r\nAll right, it's Friday Five.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:11):\r\n\r\nI like Friday Five.\r\n\r\nDave (01:12):\r\n\r\nFriday Five has become one of my favorite things to do. And today we get to talk about dads and men and five amazing things we're going to talk about. We got to introduce our guests. So we got Jerrad Lopes from Dad Tired with us again. Welcome back to FamilyLife Today. \r\n\r\nJerrad (01:28):\r\n\r\nOh man, it's always good to be with you guys. Thanks for having me.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:30):\r\n\r\nWe've had Jerrad on for the last couple days and it's been really good, Jerrad. Thank you. The book that we've been talking about with him, it's called The Dad Tired Q&amp;amp;A Mixtape. And it's great.\r\n\r\nDave (01:42):\r\n\r\nIf you haven't listened the last two days, go back and listen. And if you're a man, I would encourage you, jump in the Dad Tired community. How do they do that?\r\n\r\nJerrad (01:50):\r\n\r\nDadTired.com.\r\n\r\nDave (01:50):\r\n\r\nSo hopefully you've got five surprising or just a couple. Here's the one I thought of. And it comes from one of my sons saying this to us. A few years back, he said, \"I wish you would ask me this question.\" I'm like, \"Yeah, what is it?\u201d \u201cHow's your heart?\"\r\n\r\nJerrad (02:06):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (02:07):\r\n\r\nIn other words, how are you doing? Get to a soul-to-soul level conversation. You know what I'm talking about, Ann?\r\n\r\nAnn (02:14):\r\n\r\nYeah, I do.\r\n\r\nDave (02:15):\r\n\r\nYeah. And I remember when he said that I was like, \"Really? I didn't do that.\" He's like, \"No, you were easy to be more superficial.\" You're like, \"Hey, we're good, right? We're good. I've given you skills.\" Rather than like, \"How are you doing? Let's talk about\u2014\" And that's vulnerable and I think scary for men sometimes.\r\n\r\nJerrad (02:33):\r\n\r\nWere you defensive or were you able to really hear him?\r\n\r\nDave (02:35):\r\n\r\nI don't know. Was I defensive?\r\n\r\nAnn (02:36):\r\n\r\nHe's so good in not being defensive. He's really great. \r\n\r\nDave (02:40):\r\n\r\nYou're complimenting me right now?\r\n\r\nAnn (02:41):\r\n\r\nI totally am.\r\n\r\nJerrad (02:42):\r\n\r\nSoak it in.\r\n\r\nDave (02:44):\r\n\r\nI'll take it.\r\n\r\nAnn (02:45):\r\n\r\nBut let me add this. The thing I've loved the most and I've admired that you've done is after that conversation with them, because a couple of them said that to you, you went to get help through a counselor. And that is huge, especially at your age. I'm still learning. I still need to get better at this. \r\n\r\nDave (03:02):\r\n\r\nThere's something broken here. I want to do better.\r\n\r\nAnn (03:04):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nJerrad (03:05):\r\n\r\nI'll just say as an outside perspective and not to make you feel old, but I think I'm about the age of your sons. And man, that is so powerful. So powerful to hear that you heard that and you're like, \"I'm willing to receive it humbly and see this is still an area of my life I want Jesus to change.\" That's really, really cool. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nThat's good. \r\n\r\nJerrad:\r\n\r\nSo thanks for saying that. Actually, on my list here, I will say it's number two, but it could easily be a part B to that same thing because I was going to say dads need to say, \u201cWhat were you feeling?\u201d or \u201cWhat are you feeling?\u201d And that's really the exact same thing that you were just talking about, which is essentially: I'm trying to get better at this as a dad, but not just parent their behavior, but really parent their heart.\r\n\r\n(03:49):\r\n\r\nAnd that's what your son was talking about. Just get after my heart, not just my behavior. And I'll say for me as a dad, the reason it is easier for me to parent behavior is because it's faster. I can get them to comply quickly.\r\n\r\n(04:01):\r\n\r\nYou're grounded, you're in trouble, you're in timeout, whatever it is, and then just stops the behavior. But honestly, it just skips the whole heart shaping when I do that. I have to stop for a minute and realize that's not what God does to me. He doesn't just say knock it off, but He slows down enough to parent my heart. He's sanctifying me. He's making me more holy and to do that, He has to slow down enough. He's long suffering. And so I want to do that with my kids. We need more dads who will say, not just \u201cWhat did you do, but why did you do it? What are you feeling? What's going on deep within your heart that needs some shaping and some gospel truth?\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (04:36):\r\n\r\nAnd that's huge as they become teenagers. A lot of us as dads, we get mad and we lay down a long like, \u201cYou're not going to that movie.\u201d And of course there needs to be those kinds of discussions, but to ask the question you're saying is, okay, what is going on in their heart or their soul that makes them want to do behaviors that they've been taught their whole life are out of bounds?\r\n\r\nAnn (04:56):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (04:57):\r\n\r\nThat's a great question.\r\n\r\nAnn (04:58):\r\n\r\nI remember, even as a mom, I'm trying to get to that, too. I'm trying to get to their heart. I've shared this before, but there was one point where our eight- and eleven-year-old, they were just hitting each other, screaming. So I walk in on that, and the younger brother is so mad. He wants to punch his brother. I'm pulling him away and I said, \"Tell us why you're so mad.\" He said, \"I'm so mad. I'm so mad.\" And I said, \"But go further. Why are you so mad? Try to get it out. What's wrong?\" And I was amazed that he could verbalize. He said, \"I'm mad at you because every time your friends come over and my friends come over, you embarrass me and make fun of me.\" For him to even say that instead of \u201cI'm just going to hit you and punch you,\u201d for him to be able to verbalize that was pretty extraordinary for an eight-year-old.\r\n\r\n(05:48):\r\n\r\nAnd I said, \"So you're feeling rejected?\"\r\n\r\nJerrad (05:50):\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nAnn (05:51):\r\n\r\nAnd then it came down to, and now he's crying. He said, \"I feel like you don't even love me or like me anymore.\" I'm like, \"This is amazing.\" That he could verbalize it. And so then I had him say, \"What do you need from your brother?\" And this was the most classic and he's crying, this little eight-year-old, he said, \"I just need you to hug me sometimes.\" The 11-year-old is getting a little older and so he's like, \"Well\u2014,\u201d and then the younger brother again says, \u201cAnd sometimes I just need you to give me a kiss before I go to bed.\" And now I'm trying to not laugh, but the older brother says, \"I'm not going to kiss you, but I will hug you once in a while.\" And then he said, \"And I'm sorry I've made you feel so bad.\" \r\n\r\nJerrad:\r\n\r\nWow. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nThat took a long time to get all of that out.\r\n\r\n(06:37):\r\n\r\nIt would have been easier just to separate them, to give them a timeout or whatever, but I love that; get to their hearts.\r\n\r\nJerrad (06:44):\r\n\r\nWell, all I could think of as you were sharing that story, which was so amazing was\u2014and you guys know this better than I do\u2014but you put that same language in marriage\r\n\r\nDave and Ann (06:54):\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nJerrad (06:55):\r\n\r\nMen are just, we just, we\u2019re mad, but it's like, can you get past the mad and get back to the first\u2014what's the first emotion you're feeling, not the second or third? And could a husband and wife talk like that? \u201cI actually feel rejected, and what I just need is a hug.\u201d \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nJerrad (07:11):\r\n\r\nHow many marriages would be healthier? But here's what I would say number three is, what dads need to say is say \u201cNo.\u201d And what I mean by that is what you did with your kids is you had to slow down. You could have just said, \"If you punch him, you're in trouble. I'm sick of it, because I got to fold the laundry, and do the dishes, and do a million other things.\u201d But you said no to other things so that you could be more intentional to say yes to raising disciples in that moment. And so we have to say no to the fantasy football team or the game or pausing the TV or whatever other things need to get done to say yes to my primary role here is disciple maker. And so I have to slow down, say no to everything else so I can say yes to the people, the little disciples that God has put right in front of me.\r\n\r\nAnn (07:57):\r\n\r\nAnd we won't do it perfectly every time for sure. \r\n\r\nJerrad:\r\n\r\nOr ever. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nBecause we're tired. We're tired.\r\n\r\nDave (08:03):\r\n\r\nWell, I've said this before as well, but when we started our church, both of the founders were young dads with young kids, and we made a decision because our wives said, \"We need you home at night.\" So we stood on the stage. I remember we did this together.\r\n\r\nAnn (08:17):\r\n\r\nI think you were 32.\r\n\r\nDave (08:19):\r\n\r\nYeah, 32, 33. Church was just starting, but it was growing fast and it was getting pretty chaotic and hectic and a lot of meetings. And we said, \"Hey, we just want to let you know if you need to meet with us and it's really important, we'll meet with you in the morning, not at night. Here's why. We asked our wives, \u2018Which one do you really want us at home?\u2019 And both of the wives said, \u2018Man, if you could be there at dinner and putting baths and getting in the Bible and then putting to bed.\u2019 So we said, \u2018Okay.\u2019\u201d And so we both thought they're going to applaud this. They're going to be like, \"Way to go. Way to be dads and husbands.\" We heard the opposite. It was like, \"What do you mean? You're my pastor. I can't meet with you at five in the morning, six in the morning.\r\n\r\n(09:02):\r\n\r\nI have to meet you tonight.\" And we're like, \"Well, we're not going to do it.\" I mean, it really was not applauded, but I'll tell you this, 30, 40 years later it was the best decision we ever made, to say no to people that mattered and we were supposed to be discipling, making disciples, but the most important disciples we'll ever make are sleeping right down the hall in your house every night.\r\n\r\nJerrad (09:22):\r\n\r\nYeah. And I imagine the only reason that you had the confidence to say no when it was hard is because you really knew what you were saying yes to. And guys just have to know what they're saying yes to. Otherwise, your boss is going to convince you to say yes to him, your work is, your fantasy football team. I know I keep picking on fantasy football players. I'm saying all the things in my life that try to suck time for me, but whatever the thing is, life will convince you, people will convince you, \u201cYou should really say yes to this,\u201d but you just have to know this is what God's called me to say yes to and I'll say no to everything else.\r\n\r\nAnn (09:55):\r\n\r\nGuys, what would you say to a man that's just like, \"Hey, my business is falling apart, finances are falling apart. I have to be there. I can't say no to this thing in my life right now. How do I say no to this?\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (10:08):\r\n\r\nI mean, that's hard. I mean, I feel it. I would not make light of, \"Oh yeah, it\u2019s just an easy\u2014\u201d That's a hard, hard call. But I think what Jerrad just said, it comes back to what matters, what are your priorities? Make the hard call.\r\n\r\n(10:25):\r\n\r\nIn some ways it's a trust part, too, to say, \"I'm going to do the right thing that God's called me to do and trust him for the other part of.\" I mean, there's other ways to work different hours and different ways to make money and maybe you got to be creative that way, but I think at the end of the day, you got to make the hard call.\r\n\r\nJerrad (10:41):\r\n\r\nLayla and I said before we had kids, first year of marriage we said, \"We would rather live in a RV and be together trying to raise kids with a small budget, than to be working to pay for all this stuff and be away from each other and away from kids.\" And so I know a lot of guys might say, \"Well, I can't do that because my wife wants all these things, so I got to\u2014\" So this is a decision you have to make together as a couple. What kind of lifestyle are we actually going for? What's our value of time here, like a dollar amount? Are we willing to cut some budget stuff in order to spend more time together?\r\n\r\nDave (11:13):\r\n\r\nYeah. Have you, as Dad Tired grows, have you had to make some hard calls?\r\n\r\nJerrad (11:19):\r\n\r\nAbsolutely. Yeah. \r\n\r\nDave (11:20):\r\n\r\nI mean, you sound like you're on the road. Has there been a lot that you're not on the road that you could be, that you said no to?\r\n\r\nJerrad (11:25):\r\n\r\nAbsolutely. I'm traveling every week, but we homeschool our kids, and I'm with them five days out of the week\u2014so Monday to Friday\u2014and then I usually take the last flight out that I can on Friday, speak on Saturday. I say no now when people ask me to speak on Sundays, for almost every time, so that I can go take my kids to church on Sundays. I want to be home on Sunday so I can go to church with them.\r\n\r\nDave (11:46):\r\n\r\nYeah, that\u2019s big.\r\n\r\nAnn (11:47):\r\n\r\nI'll answer that question as a woman. I know that there are some seasons where it's going to be really hard for Dave to be at home. If something's going on at the church or there's something really important, and if he comes to me and he says\u2014 \r\n\r\nDave (12:01):\r\n\r\nIt's called \u201cfootball season.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (12:04):\r\n\r\nBut if he says, \"Hey, this is going to be a rough season. How can I make some deposits into our family that would be really helpful for you because I know that I'm not going to be home as much?\" So we know that this is going to be a season. I know he's asked me that question, \u201cWhat are the deposits that I can make that are really helpful to you during this time and also to the kids?\u201d but then here's the key.\r\n\r\nDave (12:28):\r\n\r\nI know where she's going. I was going to say the same thing.\r\n\r\nAnn (12:31):\r\n\r\nThe season can't just keep going because as a woman I lock in, like, \u201cAll right, I'm going to do this for the season and then when the season's up, if it doesn't change, that's when my heart gets, \u2018Hey, what happened to the season?\u2019\" \r\n\r\nDave (12:44):\r\n\r\nYou get resentful. Every wife would.\r\n\r\nAnn (12:45):\r\n\r\nAbsolutely. And so one season turns into another season to another season. I think that would be easy because you slip into this new lifestyle and this new schedule, but I think that helps a wife. \u201cHere's the season, here's what it looks like, just tell me what I can do to help you in the season.\u201d That helped us a lot.\r\n\r\nDave (13:06):\r\n\r\nYeah. It made me think of this\u2014and Jerrad, you're sort of stepping into this sort of season. I think another big no for families is how many sports and extracurricular activities are we going to allow our family to get in? Because it will suck your life out. You're just on ball fields and concerts and again, that's all great stuff, but I think the best families make hard calls to say, \"We're not going to do everything. We're going to decide what to do,\u201d right?\r\n\r\nJerrad (13:33):\r\n\r\nPeople are going to be upset when they hear you just say that.\r\n\r\nAnn (13:35):\r\n\r\nOh, this is the idol of America. Yeah.\r\n\r\nJerrad (13:36):\r\n\r\nAnd they're going to be upset and my response would be, \u201cWhy are you upset? Try to pause for a moment and try to really figure out, why did that make me feel uncomfortable when you said that?\u201d And usually when that happens, when somebody's stepping on our toes, our chest gets tight and you're like, \"Well, I want to disagree with you,\" we're probably getting in the space of idolatry. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nI was going to say it's an idol. \r\n\r\nJerrad:\r\n\r\nYeah. \u201cDon't mess with my stuff.\u201d And so yeah, sports have become a huge thing. Listen, my son is a really talented athlete, and I don't care if he ever doesn't play a single pro or college sport in his life, but I do care if he loves Jesus and turns out to be a man that leads his family well. So you just have to say no to some stuff.\r\n\r\nDave (14:18):\r\n\r\nYeah, that's true. Hey, Ann, have you got one?\r\n\r\nAnn (14:20):\r\n\r\nHere's one of the things I'm going to add. My dad didn't spend a whole lot of time with me growing up in my earlier years, because I had older brothers. I was the youngest of four. But I hit this age where my dad started inviting me to go out to dinner because my uncle had cancer. My mom was gone and so my dad said, \"Hey, I'd like to just have dinner with you.\" And it was once a week.\r\n\r\nDave (14:44):\r\n\r\nYou're in high school?\r\n\r\nAnn (14:45):\r\n\r\nI was in high school, and I didn't even know him. This was so awkward. But one of the things my dad did that I loved is he just started asking me questions. I think this is a great thing for parents to do. He would say things like, \"Tell me about what's making you happy right now. What's making you sad right now? Tell me the names of your friends and tell me all about them and why do you like them?\" I was only 15, 16 years old and I can't even tell you what that meant to me, that my dad would take an interest, that he would ask me questions about my friends. Here's the other thing that he did that was amazing along with that. He would then ask me this, \"What do you think I should do?\" I'm in high school.\r\n\r\n(15:29):\r\n\r\nI don't know anything. He goes, \u201cAnn, I have this problem going on at work. What do you think I should do?\" You know this, Dave, like my dad would make us feel so important that he's asking our opinion on something.\r\n\r\nDave (15:44):\r\n\r\nWhen we got married, that was one of the first things I noticed is like, I said to Ann, I was like, \" He treats me like I'm an adult.\u201d\r\n\r\nJerrad (15:49):\r\n\r\nWow.\r\n\r\nDave (15:49):\r\n\r\n\u201cHe asked my opinion,\u201d and he's not just being nice. He really thinks I have thoughts.\r\n\r\nAnn (15:53):\r\n\r\nHe'll say,\" I'm kind of dumb. \"I'm not very smart. What do you guys think I should do?\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (15:57):\r\n\r\nAnd I remember, \u201cMost adults don't treat me like that, but your dad\u2014it's man to man, adult to adult. \u2018I want your wisdom, give it to me.\u2019\u201d And I'm like, \" Wow, I feel like a man.\" That's unique, and I think that's important for us to do to our kids as they raise up to that age. Make them feel like, you're not just a teenager anymore. You are an adult.\r\n\r\nAnn (16:19):\r\n\r\nAnd one of the things I love about my dad, too, is he was always willing to change and see his shortcomings. He knows that he was not great. He was not there when I was younger, but man, he was always changing, even to the point of when he died. I remember him apologizing to me about that, at 92 years old. \u201cAnn, I'm really sorry I wasn't there when you were growing up. Just didn't take an interest and that was so wrong of me.\u201d Don't you love that we can still change, that we can still repent and apologize? And you know, I didn't think, \u201cWell, it's too late now.\u201d I just thought \u201cThat is the sweetest thing, Dad,\u201d that he would do that. So that's mine.\r\n\r\nJerrad (16:57):\r\n\r\nI just think people are willing to give a lot of grace to genuine humility.\r\n\r\nAnn (17:02):\r\n\r\nThat's it.\r\n\r\nJerrad (17:03):\r\n\r\nAnd that's spiritual leadership, isn't it? Just humble men.\r\n\r\nAnn (17:05):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nJerrad (17:06):\r\n\r\nI mean for our audience, for Dad Tired, we're just telling it, \u201cJust be humble.\u201d \u201cI don't know what I'm doing. I'm trying, I'm sorry. I need to get this right.\u201d I mean, how we started with your son coming to you and just saying, \"Okay, I hear you and I'm going to do what I can to fix this.\" That's really cool. Actually, that leads me to the fifth one here, which is dads need to say I'm sorry. And I know anyone would say that. You could probably go to any parenting conference and they'd be like, \"You should apologize to your kids. That's a good moral thing to do.\" But I think when we apologize to our kids as Christians, what we're doing is we're modeling for our kids: every single person in this house needs Jesus.\r\n\r\nAnn (17:45):\r\n\r\nThat's good.\r\n\r\nJerrad (17:46):\r\n\r\nEveryone\u2014 \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\n\u2014including me. \r\n\r\nJerrad:\r\n\r\n\u2014including dad. So when I go to my kids, it's not just the right thing to say, \"Oh, I'm sorry. Will you forgive me?\" But it's \u201cBaby, little girl, son, daughter, I've messed this up and I've had to ask God to forgive me for this, and I'm asking Him to take that part of my heart and to change it and make it new.\u201d Then I say that to my six-year-old. One day she's going to come to the decision of, \u201cDo I want to follow Jesus? I have sin in my life.\u201d I hope that she says, \"Well, I've seen my daddy repent. I've seen my daddy need a heart change, and so do I.\" And that I would model just not all the spiritual disciplines, but model for her what it looks like to say, \"I need Jesus desperately to come and make me a new man.\" So more dads to say, \"I'm sorry.\"\r\n\r\nAnn (18:31):\r\n\r\nThat's good.\r\n\r\nDave (18:32):\r\n\r\nYeah. And I think sometimes we need clarification, like this is not, \u201cI'm sorry\u201d if you say, \"I'm sorry that you feel this way because I did this.\" That is like putting it on them, like \u201cYou're such a loser.\u201d \u201cI'm sorry\u201d that's repentance is, \u201cI'm sorry. What I did or said was wrong, and I'm owning it,\u201d right? I've been on the other side of the, I feel like this is on me. No, this is\u2014yeah, that's a biggie.\r\n\r\nAnn (18:58):\r\n\r\nThat's really good. One of the things I thought too, as you were talking about that, Jerrad, was I think it's good to apologize to our kids sometimes if they're in the midst of maybe an argument with our wife or our husband, the way we talked to them, of even saying to the kids, \"Hey guys, I just want you to know I had to apologize to Mom for the way I talked to her. How I was talking to her or the tone or what I said was wrong. It was sin, honestly. And I want you to know I was wrong and I shouldn't have talked to your mom like that. I hope you guys can forgive me because I had to ask mom to forgive me.\u201d It's just good to see like, \u201cOh, Mom and Dad, their marriage isn't perfect but they're apologizing to each other.\u201d As a kid that makes you feel secure, and it's also modeling to them what that looks like even as they get married.\r\n\r\nDave (19:45):\r\n\r\nWe're out of time, but I got one more. And it's the most obvious statement that needs to be said, but I'm telling you there were times I found it was hard to say and it's three words: \u201cI love you.\u201d I mean, of course you're going to say that. What should you say to your kids? I never heard that said. It almost felt like, \u201cThey know it. I'm living in such a way that I'm proving it every day,\u201d but man, guys, if you haven't said \u201cI love you\u201d to your wife lately, it means a lot, doesn't it?\r\n\r\nAnn (20:16):\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nDave (20:17):\r\n\r\nAnd if you haven't looked your son or daughter in the eye, especially as they're six and then they're sixteen\u2014sometimes as they get older as a man, I'm like, \"This is another man. I'm not going to\u201d\u2014it means the world for their dad to say, \u201cI just want to look you in the eye and say, I haven't said this in a while and I mean this. I love you. You are a good man. You're a good daughter. I just want to make sure you know I love you.\" That's simple, obvious, but I think there might be a dad today who goes, \"You know what? That was for me. I need to make sure my daughter, my son, my wife has heard me say that today.\" \r\n\r\nHey, before we keep going, let me just say this to the listener. Every single day families around the world are facing real struggles and FamilyLife is here with gospel centered help and hope.\r\n\r\n(21:07):\r\n\r\nAnd when you become a FamilyLife Partner, your monthly support fuels this work.\r\n\r\nAnn (21:11):\r\n\r\nAnd with your monthly gift, you'll become a part of a community that receives insider updates, which is pretty amazing. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nYes, it is. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nAnd who doesn't want to be a part of an insider community? You also get invitations to special events and more because together we're helping families really grow stronger in Christ. So join us.\r\n\r\nDave (21:33):\r\n\r\nYeah, just go to FamilyLifeToday.com and tap the donate button at the top of the page. \r\n\r\nHere's one thing we shouldn't say as a dad or a mom; \u201cI'll do that tomorrow. How about tomorrow?\u201d I mean, it's easy to say, and there are times that, yeah, you need to wait a day, but man, if you can do it today, do it today. Don't procrastinate. You may not get tomorrow. I remember Joe Stowell speaking out of Promise Keepers 30 years ago. He was a pastor in Detroit. I knew Joe; had a great church, and he said he had a yard in Highland Park. I remember his house and he said, \"I did my own yard because I wanted it to be perfect. I was into my yard.\" And he said, \"Every time I drove into my street, I\u2019d look at my yard and I go, \u2018It's the best one on the block because I care about it and I take care of it.\u2019\u201d\r\n\r\n(22:21):\r\n\r\nAnd he said, \u201cI had three sons, and often I'd be out working on the yard and they\u2019d say, \u2018Hey Dad, can we play hoops or can we eat?\u2019 I'd be like, \u2018Yeah, later. I got to work on the yard.\u2019\" And he goes, \"We actually got a basketball hoop. We put it in there and my youngest son every day would say, \u2018Dad, let's shoot hoops.\u2019 And I'd be like, \u2018Maybe later, how about tomorrow? I got to work on the yard.\u2019\u201d And he goes, \"I did a funeral for a teenage boy in my church.\" And he goes, \"I'm driving back home and I turn onto my street, and I see the hoop.\" And he goes, \"It was like this symbol of misplaced priorities.\" And he goes, \"As I got closer to my house, I looked at my yard and I said, \u2018Yep, it's the best yard in the block and who really cares?\u2019\" He goes, \"The brevity of life was staring me in the face.\" He goes, \"I literally walked upstairs, went to my son's room.\r\n\r\n(23:06):\r\n\r\nHe was doing his homework.\" I said, \u2018Son, let's shoot some hoops.\u2019 And he turns, he goes, \u2018Dad, I got a lot of homework. How about tomorrow?\u2019\" And he goes, \"I remember I closed the door and I'm walking down the hall, and I said to myself, \u2018I missed it. I missed it. I had a window and my yard was more important.\u2019\u201d And I've never forgotten that story over 30 years because I'm like, \u201cDon't miss the window. Don't put off tomorrow what you can do today, especially as a dad. Seize the moment; make a memory.\"\r\n\r\nAnn (23:36):\r\n\r\nAnd Dave, let's just add, it's never too late to start. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nRight. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nIt's never too late. Okay, that was just a great three days with Jerrad Lopes.\r\n\r\nDave (23:50):\r\n\r\nIt always is.\r\n\r\nAnn (23:50):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (23:51):\r\n\r\nI'd have that guy back anytime he's around and we will have him back on someday. But right now I'm going to tell you, go get his book. It's called Dad Tired and Loving It: Stumbling Your Way to Spiritual Leadership. And we all want to be spiritual leaders, and it is basically one step after the other and it's a stumble, but you can do it and Jerrad can help you do it. So pick up the book at FamilyLifeToday.com, click on the link in the show notes and stumble your way to spiritual leadership.\r\n\r\nAnn (24:19):\r\n\r\nWe want to hear from you. You can leave us a voice message with your questions, concerns, praise reports or whatever. All you have to do is go to speakpipe.com\/FamilyLifeToday. Again, that's speakpipe.com\/FamilyLifeToday or get the link in the show notes.\r\n\r\nDave (24:45):\r\n\r\nFamilyLife Today is a donor-supported production of FamilyLife\u00ae, a Cru\u00ae ministry; 50 years of helping you pursue the relationships that matter most.\r\n\r\nIf you\u2019ve benefited from the FamilyLife Today transcripts, would you consider donating today to help defray the costs of producing them and making them available online?\r\n\r\nCopyright \u00a9 2026 FamilyLife. 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On FamilyLife Today, Dave and Ann Wilson meet with Dad Tired author and podcaster Jerrad Lopes offers 5 don\u2019t-miss things to say.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product-category\/group-studies\/companion-workbooks\/\">Host a high-impact church event without starting from scratch by using code STRONGFAMILIES<\/a> between June 16\u201330 to get a FREE video-based study and planning support when you buy 10+ workbooks go to shop.familylife.com<\/li>\n<li>Connect with Jerrad Lopes at<a href=\"https:\/\/www.dadtired.com\/\">DadTired.com<\/a>, or on Instagram<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/dad.tired\/\">@dad.tired<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>And grab his latest book,<a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product\/the-dad-tired-qa-mixtape-jesus-centered-answers-to-questions-about-faith-and-family\/\">Dad Tired and Loving It<\/a>, in our shop.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr>\n<ul>\n<li>Thanks to the Christian Standard Bible for sponsoring this episode. 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References to conferences, resources, or other special promotions may be obsolete. We do not assume any responsibility or liability for the use or interpretation of this content.\r\n\r\nThe 5 Traits of a Great Dad\r\n\r\nGuest:Jerrad Lopes\r\n\r\nFrom the series:How to Become a Great Dad (Day 3 of 3)\r\n\r\nAir date:June 26, 2026\r\n\r\nJerrad (00:04):\r\n\r\nI just think people are willing to give a lot of grace to genuine humility.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:09):\r\n\r\nThat's it.\r\n\r\nJerrad (00:10):\r\n\r\nAnd that's spiritual leadership, isn't it? Just humble men.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:14):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nJerrad (00:14):\r\n\r\nJust be humble. \u201cI don't know what I'm doing. I'm trying. I'm sorry. I need to get this right.\u201d I say that to my six-year-old. One day she's going to come to the decision of, \u201cDo I want to follow Jesus? I have sin in my life.\u201d And I hope that she says, \"Well, I've seen my daddy repent. I've seen my daddy need a heart change and so do I.\" And that I would model just not all the spiritual disciplines, but model for her what it looks like to say, \"I need Jesus desperately.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:49):\r\n\r\nWelcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I'm Ann Wilson.\r\n\r\nDave (00:56):\r\n\r\nAnd I'm Dave Wilson and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com. This is FamilyLife Today. \r\n\r\nAll right, it's Friday Five.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:11):\r\n\r\nI like Friday Five.\r\n\r\nDave (01:12):\r\n\r\nFriday Five has become one of my favorite things to do. And today we get to talk about dads and men and five amazing things we're going to talk about. We got to introduce our guests. So we got Jerrad Lopes from Dad Tired with us again. Welcome back to FamilyLife Today. \r\n\r\nJerrad (01:28):\r\n\r\nOh man, it's always good to be with you guys. Thanks for having me.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:30):\r\n\r\nWe've had Jerrad on for the last couple days and it's been really good, Jerrad. Thank you. The book that we've been talking about with him, it's called The Dad Tired Q&amp;amp;A Mixtape. And it's great.\r\n\r\nDave (01:42):\r\n\r\nIf you haven't listened the last two days, go back and listen. And if you're a man, I would encourage you, jump in the Dad Tired community. How do they do that?\r\n\r\nJerrad (01:50):\r\n\r\nDadTired.com.\r\n\r\nDave (01:50):\r\n\r\nSo hopefully you've got five surprising or just a couple. Here's the one I thought of. And it comes from one of my sons saying this to us. A few years back, he said, \"I wish you would ask me this question.\" I'm like, \"Yeah, what is it?\u201d \u201cHow's your heart?\"\r\n\r\nJerrad (02:06):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (02:07):\r\n\r\nIn other words, how are you doing? Get to a soul-to-soul level conversation. You know what I'm talking about, Ann?\r\n\r\nAnn (02:14):\r\n\r\nYeah, I do.\r\n\r\nDave (02:15):\r\n\r\nYeah. And I remember when he said that I was like, \"Really? I didn't do that.\" He's like, \"No, you were easy to be more superficial.\" You're like, \"Hey, we're good, right? We're good. I've given you skills.\" Rather than like, \"How are you doing? Let's talk about\u2014\" And that's vulnerable and I think scary for men sometimes.\r\n\r\nJerrad (02:33):\r\n\r\nWere you defensive or were you able to really hear him?\r\n\r\nDave (02:35):\r\n\r\nI don't know. Was I defensive?\r\n\r\nAnn (02:36):\r\n\r\nHe's so good in not being defensive. He's really great. \r\n\r\nDave (02:40):\r\n\r\nYou're complimenting me right now?\r\n\r\nAnn (02:41):\r\n\r\nI totally am.\r\n\r\nJerrad (02:42):\r\n\r\nSoak it in.\r\n\r\nDave (02:44):\r\n\r\nI'll take it.\r\n\r\nAnn (02:45):\r\n\r\nBut let me add this. The thing I've loved the most and I've admired that you've done is after that conversation with them, because a couple of them said that to you, you went to get help through a counselor. And that is huge, especially at your age. I'm still learning. I still need to get better at this. \r\n\r\nDave (03:02):\r\n\r\nThere's something broken here. I want to do better.\r\n\r\nAnn (03:04):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nJerrad (03:05):\r\n\r\nI'll just say as an outside perspective and not to make you feel old, but I think I'm about the age of your sons. And man, that is so powerful. So powerful to hear that you heard that and you're like, \"I'm willing to receive it humbly and see this is still an area of my life I want Jesus to change.\" That's really, really cool. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nThat's good. \r\n\r\nJerrad:\r\n\r\nSo thanks for saying that. Actually, on my list here, I will say it's number two, but it could easily be a part B to that same thing because I was going to say dads need to say, \u201cWhat were you feeling?\u201d or \u201cWhat are you feeling?\u201d And that's really the exact same thing that you were just talking about, which is essentially: I'm trying to get better at this as a dad, but not just parent their behavior, but really parent their heart.\r\n\r\n(03:49):\r\n\r\nAnd that's what your son was talking about. Just get after my heart, not just my behavior. And I'll say for me as a dad, the reason it is easier for me to parent behavior is because it's faster. I can get them to comply quickly.\r\n\r\n(04:01):\r\n\r\nYou're grounded, you're in trouble, you're in timeout, whatever it is, and then just stops the behavior. But honestly, it just skips the whole heart shaping when I do that. I have to stop for a minute and realize that's not what God does to me. He doesn't just say knock it off, but He slows down enough to parent my heart. He's sanctifying me. He's making me more holy and to do that, He has to slow down enough. He's long suffering. And so I want to do that with my kids. We need more dads who will say, not just \u201cWhat did you do, but why did you do it? What are you feeling? What's going on deep within your heart that needs some shaping and some gospel truth?\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (04:36):\r\n\r\nAnd that's huge as they become teenagers. A lot of us as dads, we get mad and we lay down a long like, \u201cYou're not going to that movie.\u201d And of course there needs to be those kinds of discussions, but to ask the question you're saying is, okay, what is going on in their heart or their soul that makes them want to do behaviors that they've been taught their whole life are out of bounds?\r\n\r\nAnn (04:56):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (04:57):\r\n\r\nThat's a great question.\r\n\r\nAnn (04:58):\r\n\r\nI remember, even as a mom, I'm trying to get to that, too. I'm trying to get to their heart. I've shared this before, but there was one point where our eight- and eleven-year-old, they were just hitting each other, screaming. So I walk in on that, and the younger brother is so mad. He wants to punch his brother. I'm pulling him away and I said, \"Tell us why you're so mad.\" He said, \"I'm so mad. I'm so mad.\" And I said, \"But go further. Why are you so mad? Try to get it out. What's wrong?\" And I was amazed that he could verbalize. He said, \"I'm mad at you because every time your friends come over and my friends come over, you embarrass me and make fun of me.\" For him to even say that instead of \u201cI'm just going to hit you and punch you,\u201d for him to be able to verbalize that was pretty extraordinary for an eight-year-old.\r\n\r\n(05:48):\r\n\r\nAnd I said, \"So you're feeling rejected?\"\r\n\r\nJerrad (05:50):\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nAnn (05:51):\r\n\r\nAnd then it came down to, and now he's crying. He said, \"I feel like you don't even love me or like me anymore.\" I'm like, \"This is amazing.\" That he could verbalize it. And so then I had him say, \"What do you need from your brother?\" And this was the most classic and he's crying, this little eight-year-old, he said, \"I just need you to hug me sometimes.\" The 11-year-old is getting a little older and so he's like, \"Well\u2014,\u201d and then the younger brother again says, \u201cAnd sometimes I just need you to give me a kiss before I go to bed.\" And now I'm trying to not laugh, but the older brother says, \"I'm not going to kiss you, but I will hug you once in a while.\" And then he said, \"And I'm sorry I've made you feel so bad.\" \r\n\r\nJerrad:\r\n\r\nWow. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nThat took a long time to get all of that out.\r\n\r\n(06:37):\r\n\r\nIt would have been easier just to separate them, to give them a timeout or whatever, but I love that; get to their hearts.\r\n\r\nJerrad (06:44):\r\n\r\nWell, all I could think of as you were sharing that story, which was so amazing was\u2014and you guys know this better than I do\u2014but you put that same language in marriage\r\n\r\nDave and Ann (06:54):\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nJerrad (06:55):\r\n\r\nMen are just, we just, we\u2019re mad, but it's like, can you get past the mad and get back to the first\u2014what's the first emotion you're feeling, not the second or third? And could a husband and wife talk like that? \u201cI actually feel rejected, and what I just need is a hug.\u201d \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nJerrad (07:11):\r\n\r\nHow many marriages would be healthier? But here's what I would say number three is, what dads need to say is say \u201cNo.\u201d And what I mean by that is what you did with your kids is you had to slow down. You could have just said, \"If you punch him, you're in trouble. I'm sick of it, because I got to fold the laundry, and do the dishes, and do a million other things.\u201d But you said no to other things so that you could be more intentional to say yes to raising disciples in that moment. And so we have to say no to the fantasy football team or the game or pausing the TV or whatever other things need to get done to say yes to my primary role here is disciple maker. And so I have to slow down, say no to everything else so I can say yes to the people, the little disciples that God has put right in front of me.\r\n\r\nAnn (07:57):\r\n\r\nAnd we won't do it perfectly every time for sure. \r\n\r\nJerrad:\r\n\r\nOr ever. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nBecause we're tired. We're tired.\r\n\r\nDave (08:03):\r\n\r\nWell, I've said this before as well, but when we started our church, both of the founders were young dads with young kids, and we made a decision because our wives said, \"We need you home at night.\" So we stood on the stage. I remember we did this together.\r\n\r\nAnn (08:17):\r\n\r\nI think you were 32.\r\n\r\nDave (08:19):\r\n\r\nYeah, 32, 33. Church was just starting, but it was growing fast and it was getting pretty chaotic and hectic and a lot of meetings. And we said, \"Hey, we just want to let you know if you need to meet with us and it's really important, we'll meet with you in the morning, not at night. Here's why. We asked our wives, \u2018Which one do you really want us at home?\u2019 And both of the wives said, \u2018Man, if you could be there at dinner and putting baths and getting in the Bible and then putting to bed.\u2019 So we said, \u2018Okay.\u2019\u201d And so we both thought they're going to applaud this. They're going to be like, \"Way to go. Way to be dads and husbands.\" We heard the opposite. It was like, \"What do you mean? You're my pastor. I can't meet with you at five in the morning, six in the morning.\r\n\r\n(09:02):\r\n\r\nI have to meet you tonight.\" And we're like, \"Well, we're not going to do it.\" I mean, it really was not applauded, but I'll tell you this, 30, 40 years later it was the best decision we ever made, to say no to people that mattered and we were supposed to be discipling, making disciples, but the most important disciples we'll ever make are sleeping right down the hall in your house every night.\r\n\r\nJerrad (09:22):\r\n\r\nYeah. And I imagine the only reason that you had the confidence to say no when it was hard is because you really knew what you were saying yes to. And guys just have to know what they're saying yes to. Otherwise, your boss is going to convince you to say yes to him, your work is, your fantasy football team. I know I keep picking on fantasy football players. I'm saying all the things in my life that try to suck time for me, but whatever the thing is, life will convince you, people will convince you, \u201cYou should really say yes to this,\u201d but you just have to know this is what God's called me to say yes to and I'll say no to everything else.\r\n\r\nAnn (09:55):\r\n\r\nGuys, what would you say to a man that's just like, \"Hey, my business is falling apart, finances are falling apart. I have to be there. I can't say no to this thing in my life right now. How do I say no to this?\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (10:08):\r\n\r\nI mean, that's hard. I mean, I feel it. I would not make light of, \"Oh yeah, it\u2019s just an easy\u2014\u201d That's a hard, hard call. But I think what Jerrad just said, it comes back to what matters, what are your priorities? Make the hard call.\r\n\r\n(10:25):\r\n\r\nIn some ways it's a trust part, too, to say, \"I'm going to do the right thing that God's called me to do and trust him for the other part of.\" I mean, there's other ways to work different hours and different ways to make money and maybe you got to be creative that way, but I think at the end of the day, you got to make the hard call.\r\n\r\nJerrad (10:41):\r\n\r\nLayla and I said before we had kids, first year of marriage we said, \"We would rather live in a RV and be together trying to raise kids with a small budget, than to be working to pay for all this stuff and be away from each other and away from kids.\" And so I know a lot of guys might say, \"Well, I can't do that because my wife wants all these things, so I got to\u2014\" So this is a decision you have to make together as a couple. What kind of lifestyle are we actually going for? What's our value of time here, like a dollar amount? Are we willing to cut some budget stuff in order to spend more time together?\r\n\r\nDave (11:13):\r\n\r\nYeah. Have you, as Dad Tired grows, have you had to make some hard calls?\r\n\r\nJerrad (11:19):\r\n\r\nAbsolutely. Yeah. \r\n\r\nDave (11:20):\r\n\r\nI mean, you sound like you're on the road. Has there been a lot that you're not on the road that you could be, that you said no to?\r\n\r\nJerrad (11:25):\r\n\r\nAbsolutely. I'm traveling every week, but we homeschool our kids, and I'm with them five days out of the week\u2014so Monday to Friday\u2014and then I usually take the last flight out that I can on Friday, speak on Saturday. I say no now when people ask me to speak on Sundays, for almost every time, so that I can go take my kids to church on Sundays. I want to be home on Sunday so I can go to church with them.\r\n\r\nDave (11:46):\r\n\r\nYeah, that\u2019s big.\r\n\r\nAnn (11:47):\r\n\r\nI'll answer that question as a woman. I know that there are some seasons where it's going to be really hard for Dave to be at home. If something's going on at the church or there's something really important, and if he comes to me and he says\u2014 \r\n\r\nDave (12:01):\r\n\r\nIt's called \u201cfootball season.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (12:04):\r\n\r\nBut if he says, \"Hey, this is going to be a rough season. How can I make some deposits into our family that would be really helpful for you because I know that I'm not going to be home as much?\" So we know that this is going to be a season. I know he's asked me that question, \u201cWhat are the deposits that I can make that are really helpful to you during this time and also to the kids?\u201d but then here's the key.\r\n\r\nDave (12:28):\r\n\r\nI know where she's going. I was going to say the same thing.\r\n\r\nAnn (12:31):\r\n\r\nThe season can't just keep going because as a woman I lock in, like, \u201cAll right, I'm going to do this for the season and then when the season's up, if it doesn't change, that's when my heart gets, \u2018Hey, what happened to the season?\u2019\" \r\n\r\nDave (12:44):\r\n\r\nYou get resentful. Every wife would.\r\n\r\nAnn (12:45):\r\n\r\nAbsolutely. And so one season turns into another season to another season. I think that would be easy because you slip into this new lifestyle and this new schedule, but I think that helps a wife. \u201cHere's the season, here's what it looks like, just tell me what I can do to help you in the season.\u201d That helped us a lot.\r\n\r\nDave (13:06):\r\n\r\nYeah. It made me think of this\u2014and Jerrad, you're sort of stepping into this sort of season. I think another big no for families is how many sports and extracurricular activities are we going to allow our family to get in? Because it will suck your life out. You're just on ball fields and concerts and again, that's all great stuff, but I think the best families make hard calls to say, \"We're not going to do everything. We're going to decide what to do,\u201d right?\r\n\r\nJerrad (13:33):\r\n\r\nPeople are going to be upset when they hear you just say that.\r\n\r\nAnn (13:35):\r\n\r\nOh, this is the idol of America. Yeah.\r\n\r\nJerrad (13:36):\r\n\r\nAnd they're going to be upset and my response would be, \u201cWhy are you upset? Try to pause for a moment and try to really figure out, why did that make me feel uncomfortable when you said that?\u201d And usually when that happens, when somebody's stepping on our toes, our chest gets tight and you're like, \"Well, I want to disagree with you,\" we're probably getting in the space of idolatry. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nI was going to say it's an idol. \r\n\r\nJerrad:\r\n\r\nYeah. \u201cDon't mess with my stuff.\u201d And so yeah, sports have become a huge thing. Listen, my son is a really talented athlete, and I don't care if he ever doesn't play a single pro or college sport in his life, but I do care if he loves Jesus and turns out to be a man that leads his family well. So you just have to say no to some stuff.\r\n\r\nDave (14:18):\r\n\r\nYeah, that's true. Hey, Ann, have you got one?\r\n\r\nAnn (14:20):\r\n\r\nHere's one of the things I'm going to add. My dad didn't spend a whole lot of time with me growing up in my earlier years, because I had older brothers. I was the youngest of four. But I hit this age where my dad started inviting me to go out to dinner because my uncle had cancer. My mom was gone and so my dad said, \"Hey, I'd like to just have dinner with you.\" And it was once a week.\r\n\r\nDave (14:44):\r\n\r\nYou're in high school?\r\n\r\nAnn (14:45):\r\n\r\nI was in high school, and I didn't even know him. This was so awkward. But one of the things my dad did that I loved is he just started asking me questions. I think this is a great thing for parents to do. He would say things like, \"Tell me about what's making you happy right now. What's making you sad right now? Tell me the names of your friends and tell me all about them and why do you like them?\" I was only 15, 16 years old and I can't even tell you what that meant to me, that my dad would take an interest, that he would ask me questions about my friends. Here's the other thing that he did that was amazing along with that. He would then ask me this, \"What do you think I should do?\" I'm in high school.\r\n\r\n(15:29):\r\n\r\nI don't know anything. He goes, \u201cAnn, I have this problem going on at work. What do you think I should do?\" You know this, Dave, like my dad would make us feel so important that he's asking our opinion on something.\r\n\r\nDave (15:44):\r\n\r\nWhen we got married, that was one of the first things I noticed is like, I said to Ann, I was like, \" He treats me like I'm an adult.\u201d\r\n\r\nJerrad (15:49):\r\n\r\nWow.\r\n\r\nDave (15:49):\r\n\r\n\u201cHe asked my opinion,\u201d and he's not just being nice. He really thinks I have thoughts.\r\n\r\nAnn (15:53):\r\n\r\nHe'll say,\" I'm kind of dumb. \"I'm not very smart. What do you guys think I should do?\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (15:57):\r\n\r\nAnd I remember, \u201cMost adults don't treat me like that, but your dad\u2014it's man to man, adult to adult. \u2018I want your wisdom, give it to me.\u2019\u201d And I'm like, \" Wow, I feel like a man.\" That's unique, and I think that's important for us to do to our kids as they raise up to that age. Make them feel like, you're not just a teenager anymore. You are an adult.\r\n\r\nAnn (16:19):\r\n\r\nAnd one of the things I love about my dad, too, is he was always willing to change and see his shortcomings. He knows that he was not great. He was not there when I was younger, but man, he was always changing, even to the point of when he died. I remember him apologizing to me about that, at 92 years old. \u201cAnn, I'm really sorry I wasn't there when you were growing up. Just didn't take an interest and that was so wrong of me.\u201d Don't you love that we can still change, that we can still repent and apologize? And you know, I didn't think, \u201cWell, it's too late now.\u201d I just thought \u201cThat is the sweetest thing, Dad,\u201d that he would do that. So that's mine.\r\n\r\nJerrad (16:57):\r\n\r\nI just think people are willing to give a lot of grace to genuine humility.\r\n\r\nAnn (17:02):\r\n\r\nThat's it.\r\n\r\nJerrad (17:03):\r\n\r\nAnd that's spiritual leadership, isn't it? Just humble men.\r\n\r\nAnn (17:05):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nJerrad (17:06):\r\n\r\nI mean for our audience, for Dad Tired, we're just telling it, \u201cJust be humble.\u201d \u201cI don't know what I'm doing. I'm trying, I'm sorry. I need to get this right.\u201d I mean, how we started with your son coming to you and just saying, \"Okay, I hear you and I'm going to do what I can to fix this.\" That's really cool. Actually, that leads me to the fifth one here, which is dads need to say I'm sorry. And I know anyone would say that. You could probably go to any parenting conference and they'd be like, \"You should apologize to your kids. That's a good moral thing to do.\" But I think when we apologize to our kids as Christians, what we're doing is we're modeling for our kids: every single person in this house needs Jesus.\r\n\r\nAnn (17:45):\r\n\r\nThat's good.\r\n\r\nJerrad (17:46):\r\n\r\nEveryone\u2014 \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\n\u2014including me. \r\n\r\nJerrad:\r\n\r\n\u2014including dad. So when I go to my kids, it's not just the right thing to say, \"Oh, I'm sorry. Will you forgive me?\" But it's \u201cBaby, little girl, son, daughter, I've messed this up and I've had to ask God to forgive me for this, and I'm asking Him to take that part of my heart and to change it and make it new.\u201d Then I say that to my six-year-old. One day she's going to come to the decision of, \u201cDo I want to follow Jesus? I have sin in my life.\u201d I hope that she says, \"Well, I've seen my daddy repent. I've seen my daddy need a heart change, and so do I.\" And that I would model just not all the spiritual disciplines, but model for her what it looks like to say, \"I need Jesus desperately to come and make me a new man.\" So more dads to say, \"I'm sorry.\"\r\n\r\nAnn (18:31):\r\n\r\nThat's good.\r\n\r\nDave (18:32):\r\n\r\nYeah. And I think sometimes we need clarification, like this is not, \u201cI'm sorry\u201d if you say, \"I'm sorry that you feel this way because I did this.\" That is like putting it on them, like \u201cYou're such a loser.\u201d \u201cI'm sorry\u201d that's repentance is, \u201cI'm sorry. What I did or said was wrong, and I'm owning it,\u201d right? I've been on the other side of the, I feel like this is on me. No, this is\u2014yeah, that's a biggie.\r\n\r\nAnn (18:58):\r\n\r\nThat's really good. One of the things I thought too, as you were talking about that, Jerrad, was I think it's good to apologize to our kids sometimes if they're in the midst of maybe an argument with our wife or our husband, the way we talked to them, of even saying to the kids, \"Hey guys, I just want you to know I had to apologize to Mom for the way I talked to her. How I was talking to her or the tone or what I said was wrong. It was sin, honestly. And I want you to know I was wrong and I shouldn't have talked to your mom like that. I hope you guys can forgive me because I had to ask mom to forgive me.\u201d It's just good to see like, \u201cOh, Mom and Dad, their marriage isn't perfect but they're apologizing to each other.\u201d As a kid that makes you feel secure, and it's also modeling to them what that looks like even as they get married.\r\n\r\nDave (19:45):\r\n\r\nWe're out of time, but I got one more. And it's the most obvious statement that needs to be said, but I'm telling you there were times I found it was hard to say and it's three words: \u201cI love you.\u201d I mean, of course you're going to say that. What should you say to your kids? I never heard that said. It almost felt like, \u201cThey know it. I'm living in such a way that I'm proving it every day,\u201d but man, guys, if you haven't said \u201cI love you\u201d to your wife lately, it means a lot, doesn't it?\r\n\r\nAnn (20:16):\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nDave (20:17):\r\n\r\nAnd if you haven't looked your son or daughter in the eye, especially as they're six and then they're sixteen\u2014sometimes as they get older as a man, I'm like, \"This is another man. I'm not going to\u201d\u2014it means the world for their dad to say, \u201cI just want to look you in the eye and say, I haven't said this in a while and I mean this. I love you. You are a good man. You're a good daughter. I just want to make sure you know I love you.\" That's simple, obvious, but I think there might be a dad today who goes, \"You know what? That was for me. I need to make sure my daughter, my son, my wife has heard me say that today.\" \r\n\r\nHey, before we keep going, let me just say this to the listener. Every single day families around the world are facing real struggles and FamilyLife is here with gospel centered help and hope.\r\n\r\n(21:07):\r\n\r\nAnd when you become a FamilyLife Partner, your monthly support fuels this work.\r\n\r\nAnn (21:11):\r\n\r\nAnd with your monthly gift, you'll become a part of a community that receives insider updates, which is pretty amazing. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nYes, it is. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nAnd who doesn't want to be a part of an insider community? You also get invitations to special events and more because together we're helping families really grow stronger in Christ. So join us.\r\n\r\nDave (21:33):\r\n\r\nYeah, just go to FamilyLifeToday.com and tap the donate button at the top of the page. \r\n\r\nHere's one thing we shouldn't say as a dad or a mom; \u201cI'll do that tomorrow. How about tomorrow?\u201d I mean, it's easy to say, and there are times that, yeah, you need to wait a day, but man, if you can do it today, do it today. Don't procrastinate. You may not get tomorrow. I remember Joe Stowell speaking out of Promise Keepers 30 years ago. He was a pastor in Detroit. I knew Joe; had a great church, and he said he had a yard in Highland Park. I remember his house and he said, \"I did my own yard because I wanted it to be perfect. I was into my yard.\" And he said, \"Every time I drove into my street, I\u2019d look at my yard and I go, \u2018It's the best one on the block because I care about it and I take care of it.\u2019\u201d\r\n\r\n(22:21):\r\n\r\nAnd he said, \u201cI had three sons, and often I'd be out working on the yard and they\u2019d say, \u2018Hey Dad, can we play hoops or can we eat?\u2019 I'd be like, \u2018Yeah, later. I got to work on the yard.\u2019\" And he goes, \"We actually got a basketball hoop. We put it in there and my youngest son every day would say, \u2018Dad, let's shoot hoops.\u2019 And I'd be like, \u2018Maybe later, how about tomorrow? I got to work on the yard.\u2019\u201d And he goes, \"I did a funeral for a teenage boy in my church.\" And he goes, \"I'm driving back home and I turn onto my street, and I see the hoop.\" And he goes, \"It was like this symbol of misplaced priorities.\" And he goes, \"As I got closer to my house, I looked at my yard and I said, \u2018Yep, it's the best yard in the block and who really cares?\u2019\" He goes, \"The brevity of life was staring me in the face.\" He goes, \"I literally walked upstairs, went to my son's room.\r\n\r\n(23:06):\r\n\r\nHe was doing his homework.\" I said, \u2018Son, let's shoot some hoops.\u2019 And he turns, he goes, \u2018Dad, I got a lot of homework. How about tomorrow?\u2019\" And he goes, \"I remember I closed the door and I'm walking down the hall, and I said to myself, \u2018I missed it. I missed it. I had a window and my yard was more important.\u2019\u201d And I've never forgotten that story over 30 years because I'm like, \u201cDon't miss the window. Don't put off tomorrow what you can do today, especially as a dad. Seize the moment; make a memory.\"\r\n\r\nAnn (23:36):\r\n\r\nAnd Dave, let's just add, it's never too late to start. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nRight. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nIt's never too late. Okay, that was just a great three days with Jerrad Lopes.\r\n\r\nDave (23:50):\r\n\r\nIt always is.\r\n\r\nAnn (23:50):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (23:51):\r\n\r\nI'd have that guy back anytime he's around and we will have him back on someday. But right now I'm going to tell you, go get his book. It's called Dad Tired and Loving It: Stumbling Your Way to Spiritual Leadership. And we all want to be spiritual leaders, and it is basically one step after the other and it's a stumble, but you can do it and Jerrad can help you do it. So pick up the book at FamilyLifeToday.com, click on the link in the show notes and stumble your way to spiritual leadership.\r\n\r\nAnn (24:19):\r\n\r\nWe want to hear from you. You can leave us a voice message with your questions, concerns, praise reports or whatever. All you have to do is go to speakpipe.com\/FamilyLifeToday. Again, that's speakpipe.com\/FamilyLifeToday or get the link in the show notes.\r\n\r\nDave (24:45):\r\n\r\nFamilyLife Today is a donor-supported production of FamilyLife\u00ae, a Cru\u00ae ministry; 50 years of helping you pursue the relationships that matter most.\r\n\r\nIf you\u2019ve benefited from the FamilyLife Today transcripts, would you consider donating today to help defray the costs of producing them and making them available online?\r\n\r\nCopyright \u00a9 2026 FamilyLife. 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