{"id":318348,"date":"2026-04-23T04:43:30","date_gmt":"2026-04-23T08:43:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/elisha-and-kathryn-voetberg-now-that-were-a-family\/"},"modified":"2026-04-23T04:43:31","modified_gmt":"2026-04-23T08:43:31","slug":"elisha-and-kathryn-voetberg-now-that-were-a-family","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/elisha-and-kathryn-voetberg-now-that-were-a-family\/","title":{"rendered":"Elisha and Kathryn Voetberg: Now that We&#8217;re a Family"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Hungry for ideas to shape an intentional family from the ground up? Elisha and Kathryn Voetberg, podcast hosts of Now that We\u2019re a Family, offer ideas to actively build a marriage and family of purpose and beautiful simplicity.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dave &#038; Ann Wilson talk to Elisha &#038; Kathryn Voetberg, podcast hosts of Now that We\u2019re a Family, about ideas to build a family of purpose &#038; beautiful simplicity.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":47000,"featured_media":295627,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/traffic.omny.fm\/d\/clips\/cbd16f10-ac60-4f09-b4df-b15400ce35aa\/33aaac7e-3581-4e21-a3df-b154011ba58c\/d045a378-4070-4585-bc51-b42d014f61de\/audio.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:24:55","filesize":"22.85M","filesize_raw":"","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2837,2819,2838],"tags":[],"podcast_series":[8660],"cwp_profile":[9877],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-318348","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-fathers","category-making-memories-essentials","category-mothers","podcast_series-now-that-were-a-family-elisha-and-kathryn-voetberg","cwp_profile-elisha-and-kathryn-voetberg","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Cover_1024x1024.jpg?w=1024","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/318348\/elisha-and-kathryn-voetberg-now-that-were-a-family","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/318348\/elisha-and-kathryn-voetberg-now-that-were-a-family","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"XRAVSpl6Eq\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/elisha-and-kathryn-voetberg-now-that-were-a-family\/\">Elisha and Kathryn Voetberg: Now that We&#8217;re a Family<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/elisha-and-kathryn-voetberg-now-that-were-a-family\/embed\/#?secret=XRAVSpl6Eq\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Elisha and Kathryn Voetberg: Now that We&#8217;re a Family&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"XRAVSpl6Eq\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! This file is auto-generated *\/\n!function(d,l){\"use strict\";l.querySelector&&d.addEventListener&&\"undefined\"!=typeof URL&&(d.wp=d.wp||{},d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage||(d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage=function(e){var t=e.data;if((t||t.secret||t.message||t.value)&&!\/[^a-zA-Z0-9]\/.test(t.secret)){for(var s,r,n,a=l.querySelectorAll('iframe[data-secret=\"'+t.secret+'\"]'),o=l.querySelectorAll('blockquote[data-secret=\"'+t.secret+'\"]'),c=new RegExp(\"^https?:$\",\"i\"),i=0;i<o.length;i++)o[i].style.display=\"none\";for(i=0;i<a.length;i++)s=a[i],e.source===s.contentWindow&&(s.removeAttribute(\"style\"),\"height\"===t.message?(1e3<(r=parseInt(t.value,10))?r=1e3:~~r<200&&(r=200),s.height=r):\"link\"===t.message&&(r=new URL(s.getAttribute(\"src\")),n=new URL(t.value),c.test(n.protocol))&&n.host===r.host&&l.activeElement===s&&(d.top.location.href=t.value))}},d.addEventListener(\"message\",d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage,!1),l.addEventListener(\"DOMContentLoaded\",function(){for(var e,t,s=l.querySelectorAll(\"iframe.wp-embedded-content\"),r=0;r<s.length;r++)(t=(e=s[r]).getAttribute(\"data-secret\"))||(t=Math.random().toString(36).substring(2,12),e.src+=\"#?secret=\"+t,e.setAttribute(\"data-secret\",t)),e.contentWindow.postMessage({message:\"ready\",secret:t},\"*\")},!1)))}(window,document);\n\/\/# sourceURL=https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-includes\/js\/wp-embed.min.js\n<\/script>\n"},"spectra_custom_meta":{"secondline_imported_guid":["d045a378-4070-4585-bc51-b42d014f61de"],"audio_file":["https:\/\/traffic.omny.fm\/d\/clips\/cbd16f10-ac60-4f09-b4df-b15400ce35aa\/33aaac7e-3581-4e21-a3df-b154011ba58c\/d045a378-4070-4585-bc51-b42d014f61de\/audio.mp3"],"duration":["00:24:55"],"filesize":["22.85M"],"_thumbnail_id":["295627"],"show_notes":["\n<ul>\n<li>Connect with Elilsha and Kathryn Voetberg <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nowthatwereafamily.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.nowthatwereafamily.com<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Learn more about Elilsha and Kathryn and get their books here: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nowthatwereafamily.com\/after-the-baby\">nowthatwereafamily.com\/after-the-baby<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr>\n<ul>\n<li>Thanks to the Christian Standard Bible for sponsoring this episode. Learn more at <a href=\"https:\/\/CSBible.com\">CSBible.com<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Follow us on all social platforms: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/familylifeministry\">Facebook<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/familylife.today\/\">Instagram<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLSzse1nmlqbLhDx5FpGVDgLmxy1rmQBau\">YouTube<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Find resources from our podcast at <a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product-category\/radio-resources\/\">shop.familylife.com<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Download <a href=\"https:\/\/www.familylife.com\/app\/\">FamilyLife's app<\/a>!<\/li>\n<li>Help others find FamilyLife. Leave a review on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303\">Apple Podcast<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm?si=d6dfa8d2415f4750\">Spotify<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Check out all the FamilyLife's podcasts on the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.familylife.com\/familylife-podcast-network\/\">FamilyLife Podcast Network<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n"],"transcript_content":["\nFamilyLife Today\u00ae with Dave and Ann Wilson - Web Version Transcript\r\n\r\nThis content has been generated by an artificial intelligence language model. While we strive for accuracy and quality, please note that the information provided will most likely not be entirely error-free or up-to-date. We recommend independently verifying the content with the originally-released audio. This transcript is provided for your personal use and general information purposes only. References to conferences, resources, or other special promotions may be obsolete. We do not assume any responsibility or liability for the use or interpretation of this content.\r\n\r\nNow That We\u2019re a Family\r\n\r\nGuests:Elisha and Kathryn Voetberg\r\n\r\nFrom the series:Now That We\u2019re a Family (Day 1 of 2)\r\n\r\nAir date:April 23, 2026\r\n\r\nKathryn (00:04):\r\n\r\nSomething that really helped me know that I wanted to be forever with Elisha is considering \u201cOkay, he's going to be the father of my kiddos one day, Lord willing. How do I want him to raise those children?\u201d Because I think that there are certain things in your dating life where you're like, \u201cOh, I can put up with it,\u201d or we have this different moral system, or we have this different view of media or all these things. And that doesn't really shake out until you have kids and all of a sudden, it really matters to you. \r\n\r\nAnn (00:38):\r\n\r\nWelcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I'm Ann Wilson.\r\n\r\nDave (00:45):\r\n\r\nAnd I'm Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com. This is FamilyLife Today. \r\n\r\nOkay, so one of my, I don't know if it's favorite or worst memory about teaching on parenting\u2014and we've shared this here before on FamilyLife Today\u2014but were going to speak on parenting and it's going to be shown to eight campuses at our church.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:11):\r\n\r\nOh yeah. We were in a series.\r\n\r\nDave (01:12):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:13):\r\n\r\nAnd we were together speaking on parenting.\r\n\r\nDave (01:14):\r\n\r\nYeah. So Ann and I are both up there and you turn to me, sort of spontaneous, at the beginning of the message and say, \"Hey, what do you remember most about the baby and toddler years?\" And the first thought that came to my mind was I remember thinking \u201cI'll never take another nap the rest of my life,\u201d because you never sleep, right? But what I actually said is \u201cI remember thinking I'll never take another\u2014and it rhymed with nap\u2014the rest of my life.\u201d \r\n\r\nElisha:\r\n\r\nWow. \r\n\r\nAnd I'm being nice on the broadcast because maybe your kids are listening and it's a word you tell them not to use, but it rhymes with naps. So you can guess what I'm probably saying. And the place just breaks up. And I literally say to the video team, edit that, do not show that tomorrow at campuses. They\u2019re like, \"That one's staying in.\u201d\r\n\r\n(01:54):\r\n\r\nAnd for years, people would text me and say, \"Hey, have you taken a nap yet? Not nap, but whatever.\"\r\n\r\nAnn (01:59):\r\n\r\nAnd I don't think you did take a nap in all those years.\r\n\r\nDave (02:02):\r\n\r\nYeah. Here's the thing. We're talking about raising kids today, babies, the whole thing, and what actually happens in a marriage and maybe parents afterwards. We've got a great couple in the studio with us. Elisha and Katie Voetberg are with us. Welcome to FamilyLife Today.\r\n\r\nElisha (02:18):\r\n\r\nOh, thank you so much for having us. It's such a privilege and an honor.\r\n\r\nDave (02:21):\r\n\r\nTell our listeners what you do.\r\n\r\nElisha (02:23):\r\n\r\nKatie and I have been fortunate enough to be able to have a platform called NowThatWereFamily.com. And this started a few years back, kind of out of us experiencing life as parents for the first time. We were brought up in Christian families. By God's grace, we've got\u2014\r\n\r\nDave (02:38):\r\n\r\n\u2014big Christian families. How many?\r\n\r\nElisha (02:39):\r\n\r\nYeah. Well, I'm one of ten children.\r\n\r\nKathryn (02:42):\r\n\r\nYeah, and I'm the oldest of 11, so we had that in common. When we got married, we knew we'd probably have a few more kids than average. We kind of wanted to speak to those big family dynamics and kind of look back at our childhoods and be like, \u201cOkay, what did our parents do well? Why did we have this good experience? If we want to have a big family, how do we ensure that our children have a good experience and don't feel like they're left out or overlooked or all of those things?\u201d That kind of drove the start of us looking back to our backgrounds and then sharing what we were learning with our own kiddos. \r\n\r\nDave (03:18):\r\n\r\nAs you navigate your life with these little kids and you're doing what every day? You're doing podcasts, writing, speaking, blogging.\r\n\r\nElisha (03:26):\r\n\r\nYeah, all of the above. And for the last two years especially, Katie's done less and less. She's still kind of the prominent face of the Now that We're a Family, but she only works about two or three hours a week. They're just action-packed hours.\r\n\r\nAnn (03:39):\r\n\r\nWait, wait, wait, she's working all week.\r\n\r\nElisha (03:41):\r\n\r\nThat's right.\r\n\r\nAnn (03:43):\r\n\r\nJust in a different capacity. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nThere's a mom clarifying for every mom listening.\r\n\r\nElisha (03:47):\r\n\r\nYes, and that's worth clarifying. It's the most glorious work that you can find.\r\n\r\nAnn (03:52):\r\n\r\nAnd were you both homeschooled growing up?\r\n\r\nElisha (03:54):\r\n\r\nWe were.\r\n\r\nKathryn (03:55):\r\n\r\nYeah, that was something we also had a good experience with. I know that's not everybody's experience, but we both really felt like it gave us a lot of different opportunities. We loved it. We loved the family bonding that happened within homeschooling.\r\n\r\nAnn (04:09):\r\n\r\nAnd you guys have written a book for the mom and a book for the dad. It's called After the Baby: The Five Biggest Pain Points of Postpartum and How to Work Through Them as A Married Couple. \r\n\r\nDave (04:19):\r\n\r\nBut before we get to after the baby, we got to hear before the baby. Give us a little bit of your story. As I read it in the beginning of both of your books\u2014I mean, they're written for men and for women, for dads and moms. It's pretty fascinating. Is it really true there's this trampoline when you're eight years old? I mean, really, that's how it started?\r\n\r\nKathryn (04:38):\r\n\r\nI remember very distinctly being underneath the trampoline at eight years old, which is a hazardous place to be sitting. I was sitting there with my sister, and I was looking out and you could just see Elisha's legs. And he had these big old basketball shoes on, he had these skinny, tan legs. And I told my sister, \"I have a crush on that guy.\" And I did my research and I found out his name was Elisha Peter Voetberg. And so I went home and wrote in my journal, \"I want to marry Elisha Peter Voetberg.\"\r\n\r\nAnn (05:10):\r\n\r\nCome on.\r\n\r\nKathryn (05:11):\r\n\r\nAnd I actually found that journal when I was 19 and dating someone else at the time. It didn't seem real relevant, but the Lord had a plan.\r\n\r\nAnn (05:21):\r\n\r\nElisha, was that your plan?\r\n\r\nElisha (05:23):\r\n\r\nI did not know Katie existed at this point. And so I'm four and a half years older than Katie, and when I'm 12 and she's eight, that's a pretty big separation.\r\n\r\nAnn (05:32):\r\n\r\nYeah, it is.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nThat\u2019s a big deal.\r\n\r\nElisha (05:32):\r\n\r\nAnd when I'm 16 and she's 12, and when I'm 20 and she's 16, it's a big, big gap there. And so it wasn't really until Katie was maybe 18, 19 or 20 that I even saw her as a prospect, somebody that was within the realm of being somebody that I could pursue.\r\n\r\nDave (05:48):\r\n\r\nProspect; it sounds like the NFL draft or something.\r\n\r\nElisha (05:50):\r\n\r\nYeah, that's kind of how I had it laid out in my spreadsheet. No, I'm teasing. Fortunately, I had known Katie's parents. I had known her family and I had just the utmost respect for her as a person, and then her entire family. She comes from just a rich family of faith. The family is just blessed with generational faith.\r\n\r\nAnn (06:07):\r\n\r\nWe've met her parents, and they are remarkable people. \r\n\r\nElisha (06:12):\r\n\r\nAmen. Yes, couldn't agree more.\r\n\r\nAnn (06:13):\r\n\r\nSo your families grew up together.\r\n\r\nKathryn (06:15):\r\n\r\nYeah. So I was pen pals with Elisha's little sisters and we would see each other once a year at this family camp where we met. And we wrote letters and were like best friends. But I do think that that kind of put me in the little sister category too for a long time. It didn't really work in my favor necessarily. So when I was 18, you talked to my dad, and we had this kind of highly monitored courtship because here's this older guy coming in and talking to me. And I think it was when you came to my high school basketball game, Elisha was just like, \"I don't think this is going to work out.\u201d\r\n\r\nElisha (06:49):\r\n\r\nYeah, I think it was your high school volleyball game.\r\n\r\nKathryn (06:52):\r\n\r\nOh yes, what? Did I say basketball?\r\n\r\nElisha (06:53):\r\n\r\nYeah, I didn't even know you played high school basketball. Did you?\r\n\r\nKathryn (06:56):\r\n\r\nI don't even play basketball. Elisha plays basketball.\r\n\r\nElisha (07:00):\r\n\r\nAt that point, I was 22.\r\n\r\nKathryn (07:01):\r\n\r\nI was 18 and you're 19, 20, 21, 22. He was almost 23 and I was 18. And so I think it was just, I don't know, all the girls on my team thought it was kind of weird. He was out of college basically and I was still in high school and the age gap just seemed pretty big right then.\r\n\r\nElisha (07:18):\r\n\r\nYeah. And as much as Chad\u2014he's heard me say this before, my father-in-law, I respect that man, second only to my father\u2014he made it really hard for us to date that first time.\r\n\r\nKathryn (07:30):\r\n\r\nThat's true.\r\n\r\nElisha (07:31):\r\n\r\nAnd so there was not much room for chemistry to happen at all, there that first go around.\r\n\r\nKathryn (07:36):\r\n\r\nWe ended our formal courtship with my parents really heavily involved at that stage, dated other people. And then when we started dating again the second time, we really had this appreciation for who the other person was.\r\n\r\n(07:50):\r\n\r\nWe didn't take for granted that like, \"Oh, you were homeschooled, and I was homeschooled. That's a big conversation we don't have to have when it comes to our kids. We both know we value that for our own family.\u201d Or like, \u201cYou want a larger than average family. I do too.\u201d The first time around, I think we just assumed all these commonalities that we had. And then after having these conversations and realizing what a big deal they were to have with people that didn't grow up in the same culture that we both did, it was like kind of a breath of fresh air to already agree on stuff.\r\n\r\nDave (08:23):\r\n\r\nYeah, since you had so many commonalities and sort of this beautiful courtship, because you did it sort of the awkward, strange, and then the second time was like, \"Here we go, \" was marriage easy?\r\n\r\nElisha (08:35):\r\n\r\nI know marriage is entered into in so many different stages of life and in so many different stations in life, and Katie and my dating, and then being engaged, was far more challenging than our first year of marriage. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nReally? \r\n\r\nElisha:\r\n\r\nYes. I think we were very intentional in our dating and engagement. We had like zero fun. It was all work. We were just like had a list of these controversial topics we were going over.\r\n\r\nAnn (09:01):\r\n\r\nReally, that's pretty unusual too, because a lot of people see that as like, \"Let's just have fun. Let's just prepare for the wedding day.\" It sounds like you're preparing for a lifetime together. What were those conversations? What kind of conversations were you having?\r\n\r\nKathryn (09:14):\r\n\r\nAlcohol was a big one. I grew up in a family that didn't drink at all. Elisha's family did. Theology was really big for us. It's funny because we were both Christian, but then you break down the nuances of what that means\u2014what's big for one person, what's not, how you want to raise your kids. There was stuff like that we didn't even talk about though until we were a couple years married because I just shut down. \u201cI don't want to talk about that. We're both Christians and that's what matters.\u201d I don't know. There are a lot of things. \r\n\r\nElisha (09:43):\r\n\r\nYeah, like you said, on paper, it seems like there was nothing that we had different in our experiences: big families, homeschooled, great Christian parents, great Christian grandparents. And in a lot of ways, I think there can be a danger in assuming that you have a lot of things in common. And that can happen to anybody. You say, \"Oh, we're both Christians,\" and then you start to get to, \u201cHow is this going to flesh out in our life?\u201d Because the practical Christian life is going to look different for each and every couple, the way that they live that out. And you have expectations. Sometimes you don't realize you have expectations until the situation's brought upon you and you say, \"Well, we've always done it this way,\u201d and \u201cI've always done it that way.\" And since we had such positive experiences growing up, I think we both came in assuming a lot of our expectations were the right way, right?\r\n\r\n(10:24):\r\n\r\nYou think \u201cIt was great for me. Why would we do anything otherwise?\u201d And so being able to address some of those issues early on, and of course it didn't end on the marriage day. We continued to have those and still do continue to have those conversations about things that we did differently that we would maybe want to do differently in our family.\r\n\r\nKathryn (10:41):\r\n\r\nBut I mean, also too, you are two different people coming from two different backgrounds no matter what. So even like communication styles. I come from a very vocal family. We all just kind of blow up and say everything on our mind and then afterwards they're like, \"Oh, hey, I'm sorry about that.\" And Elisha's family is a lot more like thoughtful, take it to heart. So you're still navigating all that stuff because you are two different people that just think there's different ways of doing things, even if you agree that there's a similar outcome that you both want.\r\n\r\nDave (11:10):\r\n\r\nYou were doing the work that every couple should do and a lot of us don't, and then we have to do it after. And some don't make it because they think \u201cIt shouldn't be this hard,\u201d and it is hard. It's always hard. And if you go in thinking it shouldn't be hard and then it's hard, you're like, \"I'm out.\" Or we've often been told, \"I married the wrong person.\" And we say, \"Nope, you're looking in the wrong place.\"\r\n\r\nAnn (11:30):\r\n\r\nIt also sounds like you both respect your parents and grandparents, and I'm sure they were speaking into your lives as well. And when you're being homeschooled, you're being discipled that whole time. And I'm sure that was really important to you. And did you feel like you sought your parents' advice?\r\n\r\nElisha (11:47):\r\n\r\nOh, big time. And that was something that I think Katie and I both appreciated in each other is our teachability. Both of us looked at where we wanted to be and where we were and we're thinking, \u201cWell, between here and where we want to be is a whole lot of growth and growth is going to come from learning. It's going to come from being receptive and open to critique, and to coaching and counseling.\u201d\r\n\r\nKathryn (12:06):\r\n\r\nThat's still, yeah, even more true today. \r\n\r\nElisha:\r\n\r\nAbsolutely. \r\n\r\nKathryn:\r\n\r\nYou realize how far you still have to go; how much you still have to learn every day.\r\n\r\nAnn (12:18):\r\n\r\nThis is a great conversation. And before we continue, I just want to remind our listeners that our vision at FamilyLife is every home, a godly home, and we need your help to get there. And when you become a FamilyLife Partner, your monthly support makes that vision actually possible.\r\n\r\nDave (12:37):\r\n\r\nYeah, you'll get access to exclusive updates and events and the chance to join our partners only online community. But more than that, you're helping change the future of families. So the question is, will you come alongside us and alongside families in need?\r\n\r\nAnn (12:53):\r\n\r\nAnd you can go to FamilyLifeToday.com and read more about it and become a partner. Just click the donate button at the top and again, you can go to FamilyLifeToday.com. \r\n\r\nIf somebody's engaged, what do you hope for them? What do you hope are some of the steps that they would take?\r\n\r\nKathryn (13:13):\r\n\r\nSomething that my dad told me that you don't want to hear when you're engaged, but he told me this, two weeks prior to my wedding and he's like, \"Katie, if you are not 100% confident that you want to spend the rest of your life with this guy, I will refund everyone's plane tickets. We will cancel the wedding. It's always easier to say no now than it is once you are forever joined to this person.\u201d And so I think something that really helped me know that I wanted to be forever with Elisha is considering, \u201cOkay, he's going to be the father of my kiddos one day, Lord willing. How do I want him to raise those children?\u201d Because I think that there's certain things in your dating life where you're like, \"Oh, I can put up with it.\" Or we have this different moral system, or we have this different view of media or all these things and that doesn't really shake out until you have kids and all of a sudden, it really matters to you.\r\n\r\n(14:03):\r\n\r\nSo obviously you can't anticipate exactly how you're going to feel when you have children, but going into it thinking, \"Okay, is this person totally submitted to Christ?\" Because if that is in place, then we know that we have this third party that we can go to when we're disagreeing, right? We can go to scripture. And then the other thing is, do I trust them to raise my kids and to make decisions when I'm not around? And I think those were two things that kind of were going through my mind when we are getting married, and that gave me big peace when I had answered it, both of those things that, \u201cOkay, we can figure the rest out.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (14:39):\r\n\r\nWould you add anything to that, Elisha?\r\n\r\nElisha (14:41):\r\n\r\nThat was well said. I agree with everything Katie said. It's a huge blessing to have a wife that thinks that way I tell you what. Yeah, I can get emotional thinking about Katie's commitment to the Word and her submission to Christ and her acknowledging His Lordship, submitting to Him. Because boy, how easy is it to not do that? And how easy is it to then want to lay my life down for my bride as Christ did for the church when I see her glorifying God, serving Him and honoring me when I don't deserve it. When Katie reads the scriptures and she says, \"Wow, wives are supposed to submit to their husbands,\" she doesn't say, \"Okay, well, once he's a man worth submitting to, then I'll submit to him.\" She says, \"Oh, I'm going to obey God, and I'll submit to this guy.\u201d Do I deserve it?\r\n\r\n(15:20):\r\n\r\nDo I earn it? No, I didn't do anything. Just kind of like my salvation and boy, is that a cool place to grow from. And when I think of starting our marriage, it's crazy how lightly we can enter into it. But then you look at Scripture, marriage being the first institution God ordained here on earth and what has He done from that? He spread His image throughout the whole world from that first marriage. The influence the family has had is unparalleled to anything. It's spread Christ's image and God's image throughout the world more than just the\u2014I did it again with Noah and his family, right? He said that's all I need. If I've got a family, I can spread my image and accomplish my mission and yet it's so easy to go into marriage\u2014because it's common, you think it's ordinary. And I think that that's not how it is.\r\n\r\n(16:02):\r\n\r\nThere's something spiritual that's happening. It's a covenantal relationship. There's not too much preparation. When you think of a business plan, you think, \u201cOh, they\u2019re\u201d\u2014it'd probably be pretty in-depth. You'd have spreadsheets, you'd have financial goals. You'd have maybe a target customer base that you're going for, and you'd break it all down and no detail would be too minute. Or you can take this. Okay, well that's a business plan. Well, what do people think when they think of family planning? They simply think of numbers. That's what they think of: spacing and kids. And you're thinking, well boy, couldn't our family, couldn't our home have more of an in-depth plan than that\u2014a vision, a mission statement, something that we're going to be about as a home? Again, I know I didn't have as high of a view as family as the scriptures have and as God has entering into marriage.\r\n\r\n(16:45):\r\n\r\nAnd so going back, I wish I would have been more in awe of what this really is. You think, \u201cGod, how humble I feel to be able to enter into this institution that you have ordained and that is a representative of your relationship with us.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (17:00):\r\n\r\nI mean, was there a, as you look back, you've been married how many years?\r\n\r\nKathryn (17:04):\r\n\r\nSeven. \r\n\r\nElisha:\r\n\r\nSeven.\r\n\r\nDave (17:04):\r\n\r\nAs you look back, especially year one, coming from these families and the work you did before, was there an issue or a struggle that you remember, especially in the first year or two that was like, \"Man, this was really hard. This was one that we really had to work to get through.\"\r\n\r\nKathryn (17:23):\r\n\r\nWell, okay, one comes to my mind. I don't know what comes to your mind.\r\n\r\nElisha (17:25):\r\n\r\nOkay, let\u2019s hear it. Let's hear yours first.\r\n\r\nKathryn (17:28):\r\n\r\nOkay. So this was kind of like a mixed thing, but Elisha had this group of friends that he was really close to and due to my explosive nature of communicating, he did not feel safe with me and my reactions. And so he would take everything that he was thinking\u2014like I wasn't the first person to hear about it. I wasn't his best friend. I wasn't that safe place for him. He would take it to this group of friends.\r\n\r\nDave (17:55):\r\n\r\nBecause what'd you do? What do you mean, blow up?\r\n\r\nKathryn (17:59):\r\n\r\nYeah, I would just react. I was used to just showing every emotion on my sleeve. So he tells me what he's thinking, and I tell him what I'm thinking.\r\n\r\nAnn (18:05):\r\n\r\nThat's exactly what I did, Kate. I'm like, \"What's wrong with that? Isn't that the best way to do it? \"\r\n\r\nKathryn (18:09):\r\n\r\nYeah. It's like, \"We're just going to be real clear with each other here.\" And that was not a wise or thoughtful form of communication, especially when you're dealing with your spouse. This person means the most to you and when they're choosing to open up to you about something or share anything, regardless of how trivial it might seem, that's a sacred opportunity that you have to be there for that person. And I didn't value that. I didn't treasure that. And so all of those conversations were being taken away from me, and I felt very much on the outs our first, I don't know, six months of marriage. So I really didn't like him hanging out with his friends and they didn't like me because I was the bad guy, didn't like him hanging out with his friends. And I think too, and you would probably say this, Elisha, but in his communication too, Elisha was trying to please both parties.\r\n\r\n(19:04):\r\n\r\nSo he kind of made me the bad guy to the friends and then the friends the bad guy to me. So it was just a cycle of communication and ultimately me realizing that communication doesn't always mean speaking. Sometimes the best thing you can do is just sit there and listen to the other person, to kind of grow through that and to become that safe place. \r\n\r\nDave (19:25):\r\n\r\nIs that the same for you, Elisha?\r\n\r\nElisha (19:27):\r\n\r\nWell, on the other side of that issue was me. So if Katie owns that for herself, then I certainly need to say I was extremely wrong early on in not leaving and cleaving. You hear that term, and two becoming one, you're thinking, \"Well boy, what does that mean?\u201d It means that, and how cool is it that God does His own math? As two become one it's a mystery and He's thinking \u201cAlso I'm three persons,\u201d figure that out. You're thinking, \"Okay, what about the individual? Where's the individual in all this?\" He's saying, \"No, you're one.\" And I think I really neglected owning that and acknowledging that and living into that because it's one thing to say it with your words, but then to actually say, \"What would this look like and how would I act upon this?\" And I think that would mean open communication; that I go to Katie with my thoughts.\r\n\r\n(20:11):\r\n\r\nI go to her with my fears, my insecurities, my ideas, things that I'm excited about, things that I'm nervous about and I did not do that. And instead I really dishonored Katie, not necessarily behind her back, but just in the way I would speak about her to others. And it's so easy to do. It's so common in our culture to talk in a disparaging way about your spouse, and everybody gets a good laugh at it. \"Oh yeah, the old ball and chain,\u201d \u201cHappy wife, happy life, whatever it takes.\" And that's extremely dishonoring to the institution that God has called sacred. And I did not respect the institution early on in my marriage. I saw Katie as just, yeah, she was my life partner, she was my lover, she was my friend, but I didn't see it as being this covenantal bond where we are one.\r\n\r\n(20:51):\r\n\r\nWhat happens to me spiritually is going to affect her. What happens to her spiritually is going to affect us. And I really regret not acknowledging that, not having that open line of communication with her first and foremost.\r\n\r\nAnn (21:02):\r\n\r\nAnd many people won't put those pieces together like you were leaving and cleaving. Often, we think of our parents, we're leaving our parents. But you're saying I also needed to put Katie first, even before my friends, to leave them in a way. Not to leave their friendship, but to put Katie before them.\r\n\r\nElisha (21:21):\r\n\r\nAbsolutely. That's exactly right, yes.\r\n\r\nDave (21:23):\r\n\r\nI think it's interesting to hear, Katie, you say how you responded when Elisha would share things. Because I've said from the stage, often in a marriage conference, right or wrong, I've said that often for a man to share something vulnerable or a weakness is not easy and scary. And so when your husband comes to you, as his partner, and shares something that you even know, \u201cMan, he never\u201d\u2014a lot of wives will say he never talks. And then he finally does and that guy's\u2014like you may not know it, but the guy's like taking\u2014\"This is not easy for me to say, but I'm saying it to my wife, because we're one and you're my soulmate.\u201d And then he says it and there's silence, and then sometimes she responds like, \"That's it; that's all you got.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (22:08):\r\n\r\nOr she's mad, explodes; that\u2019s what I would do.\r\n\r\nDave (22:09):\r\n\r\nOr she downplays it or blows up or whatever. I've often said to wives, \"That guy's not coming back to you because that was a big risk for him. You don't think it was, but for him it was, and he got not reinforcement, he got the opposite. He's taking that somewhere else. It could be scary. It could be another woman, could be buddies.\u201d And again, wives are like, \"Well, I'm supposed to applaud something that's like lame?\" Yeah, pretty much. Applaud it because he's going to feel like she's a safe place. And I don't know what it is for women, but I know for guys, I can relate to what you're saying because if I would do that with Ann and she didn't, I would be like, \"Okay, I'm done. I tried.\" I'm not saying it's the wife's fault that the husband's quiet, but sometimes that's what's going on.\r\n\r\nAnn (22:54):\r\n\r\nYeah. Sometimes we need to just sit and listen or ask really good questions. And I would say that I often reacted instead of responded. And if we can do that as both a husband and wife, and as parents, especially with our kids, because it's so easy to react, we're on the whole next page of becoming the people that God created us to be.\r\n\r\nDave (23:31):\r\n\r\nWell, it's great to have Elisha and Katie Voetberg on the show with us today at FamilyLife Today. And by the way, you can get their books\u2014actually, it's two books. One is called After the Baby For Her, and the other is After the Baby for Him, and they're both at our link in the show notes at FamilyLifeToday.com.\r\n\r\nAnn (23:52):\r\n\r\nHey, so if something on today's episode just clicked with you, we want you to know that you are not alone because every single marriage has its fair share of just highs but also lows.\r\n\r\nDave (24:04):\r\n\r\nYou've heard our highs and you've heard a lot of our lows, but the question is, where do we go to get help? That was our question. Let me tell you, we are so thankful that you listened today and we have a resource that we would love to share with you as a free guide that will be filled with helpful marriage wisdom from real life couples who've been right where you are.\r\n\r\nAnn (24:26):\r\n\r\nSo you can grab your copy today at FamilyLife.com\/MarriageHelp. Again, did you hear that? Go to FamilyLife.com\/MarriageHelp for your free guide full of marriage tips.\r\n\r\nDave (24:45):\r\n\r\nFamilyLife Today is a donor supported production of FamilyLife\u00ae, a Cru\u00ae Ministry, 50 years of helping you pursue the relationships that matter most.\r\n\r\nIf you\u2019ve benefited from the FamilyLife Today transcripts, would you consider donating today to help defray the costs of producing them and making them available online?\r\n\r\nCopyright \u00a9 2026 FamilyLife. All rights reserved.\r\n\r\nwww.FamilyLife.com\n"],"transcript_url":["https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2026-04-23.pdf"],"ssp_guid":["https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/elisha-and-kathryn-voetberg-now-that-were-a-family\/"],"_uag_page_assets":["a:9:{s:3:\"css\";s:82560:\".wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-e11dbe9f .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-e11dbe9f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-e11dbe9f .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-e11dbe9f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-e11dbe9f .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-e11dbe9f{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-e11dbe9f > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-e11dbe9f{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;padding-top: 3em;padding-bottom: 3em;padding-left: 1.5em;padding-right: 1.5em;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background-color: #f8f8f8;;}@media only screen and (max-width: 976px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-e11dbe9f{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-e11dbe9f > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-e11dbe9f{padding-top: 3px;padding-bottom: 3px;padding-left: 1.5px;padding-right: 1.5px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #f8f8f8;;}}@media only screen and (max-width: 767px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-e11dbe9f{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-e11dbe9f > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-e11dbe9f{padding-top: 3px;padding-bottom: 3px;padding-left: 1.5px;padding-right: 1.5px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #f8f8f8;;}}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-85559158 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-85559158 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-85559158 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-85559158 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-85559158 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-85559158{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-85559158 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 960px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-85559158{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;padding-top: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 10px;padding-right: 10px;margin-top: 60px !important;margin-bottom: 60px !important;margin-left: 0px;margin-right: 0px;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ea16301a{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-ea16301a > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a.uagb-layout-grid > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{row-gap: 40px;column-gap: 40px;grid-template-columns: minmax( 1px, 1fr)  minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: start;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;padding-top: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;padding-right: 0px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a.wp-block-uagb-container > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not( .spectra-container-link-overlay ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-lottie):not(.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap){width: auto !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a.wp-block-uagb-container > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox){width: auto !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-26ccc5c9 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-26ccc5c9 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-26ccc5c9 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-26ccc5c9 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-26ccc5c9 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-26ccc5c9{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-26ccc5c9 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: flex-start;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-26ccc5c9{min-height: 710px;box-shadow: 3px 7px 7px -1px rgba(0,0,0,0.15) ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background-color: #ffffff;;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: flex-start;flex-wrap: nowrap;align-self: start;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-84f50fa3 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-84f50fa3 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-84f50fa3 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-84f50fa3 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-84f50fa3 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;background: url(https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/07\/Grow-with-your-family_545x307.jpg) 50% 50%;;background-size: cover;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-84f50fa3{max-width: 100vw;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-84f50fa3 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-84f50fa3{min-height: 250px;box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background-repeat: no-repeat;background-position: 50% 50%;background-size: cover;background-attachment: scroll;background-image: url(https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2025\/03\/Grow-with-your-family_545x307.webp);background-clip: padding-box;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-271bf38d .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-271bf38d .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-271bf38d .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-271bf38d .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-271bf38d .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-271bf38d{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-271bf38d > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;row-gap: 40px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-271bf38d{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 40px;padding-left: 40px;padding-right: 40px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;row-gap: 40px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ab8d0982{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-ab8d0982 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.uagb-layout-grid{row-gap: 8px;column-gap: 8px;grid-template-columns: auto  minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: stretch;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.wp-block-uagb-container > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not( .spectra-container-link-overlay ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-lottie):not(.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap){width: auto !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.wp-block-uagb-container > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox){width: auto !important;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-heading-text{color: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-desc-text{margin-bottom: 15px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight{font-style: normal;font-weight: Default;background: #007cba;color: #fff;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::-moz-selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3 .uagb-heading-text{font-weight: 300;font-size: 16px;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator{text-align: left;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator--text .wp-block-uagb-separator-element .uagb-html-tag{font-style: normal;line-height: 1em;}.uagb-block-f9d54988 .uagb-separator-spacing-wrapper{padding-top: 4px;padding-bottom: 4px;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator:not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--text):not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--icon) .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner{-webkit-mask-size: 5px 100%;border-top-width: 3px;width: 100%;border-top-color: #eabe5e;border-top-style: solid;margin-top: 5px;margin-bottom: 5px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-3208cc36.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-heading-text{color: #006a5a;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-3208cc36.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-desc-text{margin-bottom: 15px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-3208cc36.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight{font-style: normal;font-weight: Default;background: #007cba;color: #fff;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-3208cc36.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::-moz-selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-3208cc36.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-3208cc36 .uagb-heading-text{font-weight: 400;font-size: 26px;line-height: 1.2em;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .uagb-icon-list__source-image{width: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap svg{width: 18px;height: 18px;font-size: 18px;color: #1573a2;fill: #1573a2;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{padding: 0px;border-radius: 0px;border-width: 0px;align-self: center;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__label{font-size: 20px;text-decoration: !important;line-height: em;color: #1573a2;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .uagb-icon-list__wrap{display: flex;flex-direction: column;justify-content: center;-webkit-box-pack: center;-ms-flex-pack: center;-webkit-box-align: flex-start;-ms-flex-align: flex-start;align-items: flex-start;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .uagb-icon-list__label{text-align: left;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{text-decoration: !important;font-size: 20px;line-height: em;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd.wp-block-uagb-icon-list .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{margin-left: 0;margin-right: 0;margin-bottom: 24px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{margin-left: 15px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child {flex-direction: row-reverse;}.uagb-block-fdd052c2.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-fdd052c2.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-679dc0da.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-679dc0da.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-fbb8dca6.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-fbb8dca6.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-b5e9a44d.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-b5e9a44d.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-10525170.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-10525170.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-48a597f8 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-48a597f8 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-48a597f8 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-48a597f8 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-48a597f8 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-48a597f8{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-48a597f8 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: flex-start;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-48a597f8{min-height: 710px;box-shadow: 3px 7px 7px -1px rgba(0,0,0,0.15) ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background-color: #ffffff;;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: flex-start;flex-wrap: nowrap;align-self: start;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-22a41c70 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-22a41c70 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-22a41c70 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-22a41c70 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-22a41c70 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;background: url(https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/07\/Grow-with-your-family_545x307.jpg) 50% 50%;;background-size: cover;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-22a41c70{max-width: 100vw;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-22a41c70 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-22a41c70{min-height: 250px;box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background-repeat: no-repeat;background-position: 50% 50%;background-size: cover;background-attachment: scroll;background-image: url(https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2025\/03\/HelpFamiliesGrow2.webp);background-clip: padding-box;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-562935bf .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-562935bf .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-562935bf .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-562935bf .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-562935bf .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-562935bf{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-562935bf > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;row-gap: 40px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-562935bf{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 40px;padding-left: 40px;padding-right: 40px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;row-gap: 40px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-5a1442f2{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-5a1442f2 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.uagb-layout-grid{row-gap: 8px;column-gap: 8px;grid-template-columns: auto  minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: stretch;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.wp-block-uagb-container > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not( .spectra-container-link-overlay ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-lottie):not(.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap){width: auto !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.wp-block-uagb-container > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox){width: auto !important;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-heading-text{color: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-desc-text{margin-bottom: 15px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight{font-style: normal;font-weight: Default;background: #007cba;color: #fff;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::-moz-selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f .uagb-heading-text{font-weight: 300;font-size: 16px;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator{text-align: left;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator--text .wp-block-uagb-separator-element .uagb-html-tag{font-style: normal;line-height: 1em;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e .uagb-separator-spacing-wrapper{padding-top: 4px;padding-bottom: 4px;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator:not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--text):not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--icon) .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner{-webkit-mask-size: 5px 100%;border-top-width: 3px;width: 100%;border-top-color: #eabe5e;border-top-style: solid;margin-top: 5px;margin-bottom: 5px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-31f155e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-heading-text{color: #006a5a;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-31f155e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-desc-text{margin-bottom: 15px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-31f155e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight{font-style: normal;font-weight: Default;background: #007cba;color: #fff;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-31f155e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::-moz-selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-31f155e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-31f155e3 .uagb-heading-text{font-weight: 400;font-size: 26px;line-height: 1.2em;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .uagb-icon-list__source-image{width: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap svg{width: 18px;height: 18px;font-size: 18px;color: #1573a2;fill: #1573a2;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{padding: 0px;border-radius: 0px;border-width: 0px;align-self: center;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__label{font-size: 20px;text-decoration: !important;line-height: em;color: #1573a2;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .uagb-icon-list__wrap{display: flex;flex-direction: column;justify-content: center;-webkit-box-pack: center;-ms-flex-pack: center;-webkit-box-align: flex-start;-ms-flex-align: flex-start;align-items: flex-start;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .uagb-icon-list__label{text-align: left;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{text-decoration: !important;font-size: 20px;line-height: em;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64.wp-block-uagb-icon-list .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{margin-left: 0;margin-right: 0;margin-bottom: 24px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{margin-left: 15px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child {flex-direction: row-reverse;}.uagb-block-83befcbf.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-83befcbf.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-75d2f158.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-75d2f158.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-0d14af90.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-0d14af90.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-4dd6f9d3.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-4dd6f9d3.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-28c58e21.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-28c58e21.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}@media only screen and (max-width: 976px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-85559158{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-85559158 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-85559158{padding-top: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 10px;padding-right: 10px;margin-top: 60px !important;margin-bottom: 60px !important;margin-left: 0px;margin-right: 0px;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ea16301a{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-ea16301a > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a.uagb-layout-grid > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{grid-template-columns: minmax( 1px, 1fr)  minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: stretch;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a{padding-top: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;padding-right: 0px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-26ccc5c9{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-26ccc5c9 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-26ccc5c9{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #ffffff;;grid-column: span 1;grid-row: span 1;align-self: stretch;justify-self: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-84f50fa3{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-84f50fa3 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-84f50fa3{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-position: 54% 48%;background-size: cover;background-image: url(https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2025\/03\/Grow-with-your-family_545x307.webp);background-clip: padding-box;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-271bf38d{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-271bf38d > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-271bf38d{padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 40px;padding-left: 40px;padding-right: 40px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ab8d0982{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-ab8d0982 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.uagb-layout-grid{grid-template-columns: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: stretch;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.wp-block-uagb-container > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not( .spectra-container-link-overlay ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-lottie):not(.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap){width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.wp-block-uagb-container > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox){width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3 .uagb-heading-text{font-size: 12px;letter-spacing: 1px;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator{text-align: center;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator--text .wp-block-uagb-separator-element .uagb-html-tag{font-style: normal;margin-bottom: initial;line-height: 1em;}.uagb-block-f9d54988 .uagb-separator-spacing-wrapper{padding-top: 10px;padding-bottom: 10px;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator:not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--text):not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--icon) .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner{-webkit-mask-size: 5px 100%;width: 100%;border-top-color: #eabe5e;border-top-style: solid;margin-top: 5px;margin-bottom: 5px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .uagb-icon-list__source-image{width: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap svg{width: 18px;height: 18px;font-size: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap {padding: 0px;border-width: 0px;align-self: center;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .uagb-icon-list__wrap{display: flex;flex-direction: column;justify-content: center;-webkit-box-pack: center;-ms-flex-pack: center;-webkit-box-align: flex-start;-ms-flex-align: flex-start;align-items: flex-start;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd.wp-block-uagb-icon-list .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{margin-left: 0;margin-right: 0;margin-bottom: 24px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-48a597f8{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-48a597f8 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-48a597f8{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #ffffff;;grid-column: span 1;grid-row: span 1;align-self: stretch;justify-self: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-22a41c70{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-22a41c70 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-22a41c70{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-position: 54% 48%;background-size: cover;background-image: url(https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2025\/03\/HelpFamiliesGrow2.webp);background-clip: padding-box;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-562935bf{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-562935bf > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-562935bf{padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 40px;padding-left: 40px;padding-right: 40px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-5a1442f2{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-5a1442f2 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.uagb-layout-grid{grid-template-columns: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: stretch;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.wp-block-uagb-container > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not( .spectra-container-link-overlay ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-lottie):not(.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap){width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.wp-block-uagb-container > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox){width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f .uagb-heading-text{font-size: 12px;letter-spacing: 1px;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator{text-align: center;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator--text .wp-block-uagb-separator-element .uagb-html-tag{font-style: normal;margin-bottom: initial;line-height: 1em;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e .uagb-separator-spacing-wrapper{padding-top: 10px;padding-bottom: 10px;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator:not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--text):not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--icon) .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner{-webkit-mask-size: 5px 100%;width: 100%;border-top-color: #eabe5e;border-top-style: solid;margin-top: 5px;margin-bottom: 5px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .uagb-icon-list__source-image{width: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap svg{width: 18px;height: 18px;font-size: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap {padding: 0px;border-width: 0px;align-self: center;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .uagb-icon-list__wrap{display: flex;flex-direction: column;justify-content: center;-webkit-box-pack: center;-ms-flex-pack: center;-webkit-box-align: flex-start;-ms-flex-align: flex-start;align-items: flex-start;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64.wp-block-uagb-icon-list .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{margin-left: 0;margin-right: 0;margin-bottom: 24px;}}@media only screen and (max-width: 767px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-85559158{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-85559158 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-85559158{padding-top: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 10px;padding-right: 10px;margin-top: 60px !important;margin-bottom: 60px !important;margin-left: 0px;margin-right: 0px;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ea16301a{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-ea16301a > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a.uagb-layout-grid > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{grid-template-columns: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: stretch;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a{padding-top: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;padding-right: 0px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-26ccc5c9{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-26ccc5c9 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-26ccc5c9{padding-top: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;padding-right: 0px;margin-top: 0px !important;margin-bottom: 0px !important;margin-left: 0px;margin-right: 0px;order: initial;background-color: #ffffff;;flex-wrap: wrap;grid-column: span 1;grid-row: span 1;align-self: stretch;justify-self: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-84f50fa3{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-84f50fa3 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-84f50fa3{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-image: url(https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2025\/03\/Grow-with-your-family_545x307.webp);background-clip: padding-box;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-271bf38d{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-271bf38d > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-271bf38d{padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 40px;padding-left: 40px;padding-right: 40px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ab8d0982{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-ab8d0982 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.uagb-layout-grid{grid-template-columns: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: stretch;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.wp-block-uagb-container > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not( .spectra-container-link-overlay ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-lottie):not(.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap){width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.wp-block-uagb-container > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox){width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading {padding-left: 40px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3 .uagb-heading-text{letter-spacing: 4px;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator{text-align: center;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator--text .wp-block-uagb-separator-element .uagb-html-tag{font-style: normal;margin-bottom: initial;line-height: 1em;}.uagb-block-f9d54988 .uagb-separator-spacing-wrapper{padding-top: 10px;padding-bottom: 10px;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator:not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--text):not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--icon) .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner{-webkit-mask-size: 5px 100%;width: 100%;border-top-color: #eabe5e;border-top-style: solid;margin-top: 5px;margin-bottom: 5px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .uagb-icon-list__source-image{width: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap svg{width: 18px;height: 18px;font-size: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{padding: 0px;border-width: 0px;align-self: center;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .uagb-icon-list__wrap{display: flex;flex-direction: column;justify-content: center;-webkit-box-pack: center;-ms-flex-pack: center;-webkit-box-align: flex-start;-ms-flex-align: flex-start;align-items: flex-start;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd.wp-block-uagb-icon-list .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{margin-left: 0;margin-right: 0;margin-bottom: 24px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-48a597f8{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-48a597f8 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-48a597f8{padding-top: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;padding-right: 0px;margin-top: 0px !important;margin-bottom: 0px !important;margin-left: 0px;margin-right: 0px;order: initial;background-color: #ffffff;;flex-wrap: wrap;grid-column: span 1;grid-row: span 1;align-self: stretch;justify-self: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-22a41c70{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-22a41c70 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-22a41c70{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-image: url(https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2025\/03\/HelpFamiliesGrow2.webp);background-clip: padding-box;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-562935bf{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-562935bf > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-562935bf{padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 40px;padding-left: 40px;padding-right: 40px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-5a1442f2{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-5a1442f2 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.uagb-layout-grid{grid-template-columns: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: stretch;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.wp-block-uagb-container > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not( .spectra-container-link-overlay ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-lottie):not(.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap){width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.wp-block-uagb-container > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox){width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading {padding-left: 40px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f .uagb-heading-text{letter-spacing: 4px;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator{text-align: center;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator--text .wp-block-uagb-separator-element .uagb-html-tag{font-style: normal;margin-bottom: initial;line-height: 1em;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e .uagb-separator-spacing-wrapper{padding-top: 10px;padding-bottom: 10px;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator:not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--text):not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--icon) .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner{-webkit-mask-size: 5px 100%;width: 100%;border-top-color: #eabe5e;border-top-style: solid;margin-top: 5px;margin-bottom: 5px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .uagb-icon-list__source-image{width: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap svg{width: 18px;height: 18px;font-size: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{padding: 0px;border-width: 0px;align-self: center;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .uagb-icon-list__wrap{display: flex;flex-direction: column;justify-content: center;-webkit-box-pack: center;-ms-flex-pack: center;-webkit-box-align: flex-start;-ms-flex-align: flex-start;align-items: flex-start;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64.wp-block-uagb-icon-list .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{margin-left: 0;margin-right: 0;margin-bottom: 24px;}}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ecebc267 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ecebc267 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ecebc267 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ecebc267 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ecebc267 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ecebc267{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ecebc267{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background: linear-gradient(130deg, #ffffff 60%, #f8f8f8 46%);;background-clip: padding-box;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}@media only screen and (max-width: 976px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ecebc267{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ecebc267{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background: linear-gradient(130deg, #ffffff 60%, #f8f8f8 46%);;background-clip: padding-box;}}@media only screen and (max-width: 767px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ecebc267{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ecebc267{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background: linear-gradient(130deg, #ffffff 60%, #f8f8f8 46%);;background-clip: padding-box;flex-wrap: wrap;}}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-8d4ac8a0{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: row;align-items: flex-start;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;row-gap: 32px;column-gap: 32px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;padding-top: 80px;padding-bottom: 80px;padding-left: 12px;padding-right: 12px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;row-gap: 32px;column-gap: 32px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{max-width: 25%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;max-width: 25% !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{max-width: 25%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;max-width: 25% !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{max-width: 25%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;max-width: 25% !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{max-width: 25%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;max-width: 25% !important;}@media only screen and (max-width: 976px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-8d4ac8a0{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0{padding-top: 80px;padding-bottom: 80px;padding-left: 12px;padding-right: 12px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;max-width:  !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;max-width:  !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;max-width:  !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;max-width:  !important;}}@media only screen and (max-width: 767px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-8d4ac8a0{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0{padding-top: 80px;padding-bottom: 80px;padding-left: 12px;padding-right: 12px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;flex-wrap: wrap;max-width: 100% !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;flex-wrap: wrap;max-width: 100% !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;flex-wrap: wrap;max-width: 100% !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;flex-wrap: wrap;max-width: 100% !important;}}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662.wp-block-uagb-container{color: #ffffff;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662.wp-block-uagb-container *{color: #ffffff;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-f064f662{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-f064f662 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;row-gap: 20px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 20px;padding-left: 12px;padding-right: 12px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background-color: #25282a;;row-gap: 20px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-dbd5f6c0{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: row;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;row-gap: 20px;column-gap: 32px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;flex-direction: row;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;row-gap: 20px;column-gap: 32px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0.wp-block-uagb-container > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not( .spectra-container-link-overlay ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-lottie):not(.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap){width: auto !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0.wp-block-uagb-container > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox){width: auto !important;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-default figure img{box-shadow: 0px 0px 0 #00000070;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image .wp-block-uagb-image__figure figcaption{font-style: normal;align-self: center;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay figure img{box-shadow: 0px 0px 0 #00000070;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__color-wrapper{opacity: 0.2;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner{left: 15px;right: 15px;top: 15px;bottom: 15px;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner .uagb-image-heading{font-style: normal;color: #fff;opacity: 1;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner .uagb-image-heading a{color: #fff;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner .uagb-image-caption{opacity: 0;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay .wp-block-uagb-image__figure:hover .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__color-wrapper{opacity: 1;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner .uagb-image-separator{width: 30%;border-top-width: 2px;border-top-color: #fff;opacity: 0;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image .wp-block-uagb-image__figure img{width: 292px;height: 48px;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image .wp-block-uagb-image__figure:hover .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner .uagb-image-caption{opacity: 1;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image .wp-block-uagb-image__figure:hover .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner .uagb-image-separator{opacity: 1;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-default figure:hover img{box-shadow: 0px 0px 0 #00000070;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay figure:hover img{box-shadow: 0px 0px 0 #00000070;}@media only screen and (max-width: 976px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-f064f662{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-f064f662 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662{padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 20px;padding-left: 12px;padding-right: 12px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #25282a;;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-dbd5f6c0{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image .wp-block-uagb-image__figure img{width: 280px;height: 45px;}}@media only screen and (max-width: 767px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-f064f662{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-f064f662 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662{padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 20px;padding-left: 12px;padding-right: 12px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #25282a;;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-dbd5f6c0{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;flex-wrap: wrap;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image .wp-block-uagb-image__figure img{width: 280px;height: 45px;}}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-beb12949{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-beb12949 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background-color: #006c5b;;}@media only screen and (max-width: 976px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-beb12949{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-beb12949 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #006c5b;;}}@media only screen and (max-width: 767px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-beb12949{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-beb12949 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #006c5b;;}}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-beb12949{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-beb12949 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background-color: #006c5b;;}@media only screen and (max-width: 976px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-beb12949{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-beb12949 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #006c5b;;}}@media only screen and (max-width: 767px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-beb12949{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-beb12949 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #006c5b;;}}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5096eaa1 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5096eaa1 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5096eaa1 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5096eaa1 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5096eaa1 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-5096eaa1{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-5096eaa1 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5096eaa1{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-89b3b7a8 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-89b3b7a8 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-89b3b7a8 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-89b3b7a8 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-89b3b7a8 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-89b3b7a8{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-89b3b7a8 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-89b3b7a8{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;padding-top: 2em;padding-bottom: 2em;padding-left: 2em;padding-right: 2em;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-top-left-radius: 30px;border-top-right-radius: 30px;border-bottom-left-radius: 30px;border-bottom-right-radius: 30px;border-color: inherit;background-color: #ebebeb;;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-97ee3d2f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-desc-text{margin-bottom: 15px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-97ee3d2f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight{font-style: normal;font-weight: Default;background: #007cba;color: #fff;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-97ee3d2f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::-moz-selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-97ee3d2f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.uagb-block-232092dc.wp-block-uagb-buttons.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap .uagb-buttons__wrap {gap: 10px;}.uagb-block-232092dc.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap .uagb-buttons__wrap {justify-content: left;align-items: center;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611.wp-block-uagb-buttons-child .uagb-buttons-repeater{background: #f3bd48;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .wp-block-button__link{background: #f3bd48;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .wp-block-button__link:hover{background: #f4deaa;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .wp-block-button__link:focus{background: #f4deaa;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-button__wrapper .uagb-buttons-repeater{color: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .wp-block-button__link.has-text-color:hover .uagb-button__link{color: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .wp-block-button__link.has-text-color:focus .uagb-button__link{color: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-button__wrapper  .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link{box-shadow: 0px 0px 0 #00000026;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-button__wrapper  .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:hover{box-shadow: 0px 0px 0 #00000026;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link{border-color: #333;border-style: none;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:hover{border-color: #333;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:focus{border-color: #333;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611.wp-block-button.is-style-outline .uagb-button__wrapper .wp-block-button__link.uagb-buttons-repeater{border-color: #333;border-style: none;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611.wp-block-button.is-style-outline .uagb-button__wrapper .wp-block-button__link.uagb-buttons-repeater:hover{border-color: #333;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater .uagb-button__link{color: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater:hover .uagb-button__link{color: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater:focus .uagb-button__link{color: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater .uagb-button__icon > svg{width: 15px;height: 15px;fill: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater:hover .uagb-button__icon > svg{fill: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater:focus .uagb-button__icon > svg{fill: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater .uagb-button__icon-position-after{margin-left: 8px;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater .uagb-button__icon-position-before{margin-right: 8px;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-button__link{text-transform: normal;text-decoration: none;}@media only screen and (max-width: 976px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-5096eaa1{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-5096eaa1 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5096eaa1{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-89b3b7a8{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-89b3b7a8 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-89b3b7a8{padding-top: 2px;padding-bottom: 2px;padding-left: 2px;padding-right: 2px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #ebebeb;;}.uagb-block-232092dc.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap .uagb-buttons__wrap {justify-content: center;align-items: center;}.uagb-block-232092dc.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap .uagb-buttons__wrap .wp-block-button{width: auto;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611.wp-block-button.is-style-outline .uagb-button__wrapper .wp-block-button__link.uagb-buttons-repeater{border-style: none;border-color: #333;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link{border-style: none;border-color: #333;}}@media only screen and (max-width: 767px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-5096eaa1{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-5096eaa1 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5096eaa1{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-89b3b7a8{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-89b3b7a8 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-89b3b7a8{padding-top: 2px;padding-bottom: 2px;padding-left: 2px;padding-right: 2px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #ebebeb;;}.uagb-block-232092dc.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap .uagb-buttons__wrap {justify-content: center;align-items: center;}.uagb-block-232092dc.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap .uagb-buttons__wrap .wp-block-button{width: auto;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611.wp-block-button.is-style-outline .uagb-button__wrapper .wp-block-button__link.uagb-buttons-repeater{border-style: none;border-color: #333;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link{border-style: none;border-color: #333;}}\";s:2:\"js\";s:161:\"document.addEventListener(\"DOMContentLoaded\", function(){ window.addEventListener( 'load', function() {\n\tUAGBButtonChild.init( '.uagb-block-00708611' );\n});\n });\";s:18:\"current_block_list\";a:17:{i:0;s:14:\"uagb\/container\";i:1;s:12:\"core\/heading\";i:2;s:9:\"core\/html\";i:3;s:10:\"core\/group\";i:6;s:21:\"uagb\/advanced-heading\";i:7;s:14:\"uagb\/separator\";i:8;s:14:\"uagb\/icon-list\";i:9;s:20:\"uagb\/icon-list-child\";i:10;s:11:\"core\/search\";i:13;s:18:\"core\/legacy-widget\";i:16;s:10:\"uagb\/image\";i:17;s:17:\"core\/social-links\";i:18;s:16:\"core\/social-link\";i:19;s:14:\"core\/paragraph\";i:20;s:30:\"meta-box\/fl-conditional-blocks\";i:21;s:12:\"uagb\/buttons\";i:22;s:18:\"uagb\/buttons-child\";}s:8:\"uag_flag\";b:1;s:11:\"uag_version\";i:1776933811;s:6:\"gfonts\";a:1:{s:7:\"Default\";a:2:{s:10:\"fontfamily\";s:7:\"Default\";s:12:\"fontvariants\";a:0:{}}}s:10:\"gfonts_url\";s:71:\"\/\/fonts.googleapis.com\/css?family=Default&subset=latin&display=fallback\";s:12:\"gfonts_files\";a:0:{}s:14:\"uag_faq_layout\";b:0;}"]},"uagb_featured_image_src":{"full":["https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Cover_1024x1024.jpg",1024,1024,false]},"uagb_author_info":{"display_name":"Margaret","author_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/author\/margaret-coylefamilylife-com\/"},"uagb_comment_info":0,"uagb_excerpt":"Dave & Ann Wilson talk to Elisha & Kathryn Voetberg, podcast hosts of Now that We\u2019re a Family, about ideas to build a family of purpose & beautiful simplicity.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"\n<ul>\n<li>Connect with Elilsha and Kathryn Voetberg <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nowthatwereafamily.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.nowthatwereafamily.com<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Learn more about Elilsha and Kathryn and get their books here: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nowthatwereafamily.com\/after-the-baby\">nowthatwereafamily.com\/after-the-baby<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr>\n<ul>\n<li>Thanks to the Christian Standard Bible for sponsoring this episode. Learn more at <a href=\"https:\/\/CSBible.com\">CSBible.com<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Follow us on all social platforms: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/familylifeministry\">Facebook<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/familylife.today\/\">Instagram<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLSzse1nmlqbLhDx5FpGVDgLmxy1rmQBau\">YouTube<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Find resources from our podcast at <a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product-category\/radio-resources\/\">shop.familylife.com<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Download <a href=\"https:\/\/www.familylife.com\/app\/\">FamilyLife's app<\/a>!<\/li>\n<li>Help others find FamilyLife. Leave a review on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303\">Apple Podcast<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm?si=d6dfa8d2415f4750\">Spotify<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Check out all the FamilyLife's podcasts on the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.familylife.com\/familylife-podcast-network\/\">FamilyLife Podcast Network<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2026-04-23.pdf","transcript_content":"\nFamilyLife Today\u00ae with Dave and Ann Wilson - Web Version Transcript\r\n\r\nThis content has been generated by an artificial intelligence language model. While we strive for accuracy and quality, please note that the information provided will most likely not be entirely error-free or up-to-date. We recommend independently verifying the content with the originally-released audio. This transcript is provided for your personal use and general information purposes only. References to conferences, resources, or other special promotions may be obsolete. We do not assume any responsibility or liability for the use or interpretation of this content.\r\n\r\nNow That We\u2019re a Family\r\n\r\nGuests:Elisha and Kathryn Voetberg\r\n\r\nFrom the series:Now That We\u2019re a Family (Day 1 of 2)\r\n\r\nAir date:April 23, 2026\r\n\r\nKathryn (00:04):\r\n\r\nSomething that really helped me know that I wanted to be forever with Elisha is considering \u201cOkay, he's going to be the father of my kiddos one day, Lord willing. How do I want him to raise those children?\u201d Because I think that there are certain things in your dating life where you're like, \u201cOh, I can put up with it,\u201d or we have this different moral system, or we have this different view of media or all these things. And that doesn't really shake out until you have kids and all of a sudden, it really matters to you. \r\n\r\nAnn (00:38):\r\n\r\nWelcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I'm Ann Wilson.\r\n\r\nDave (00:45):\r\n\r\nAnd I'm Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com. This is FamilyLife Today. \r\n\r\nOkay, so one of my, I don't know if it's favorite or worst memory about teaching on parenting\u2014and we've shared this here before on FamilyLife Today\u2014but were going to speak on parenting and it's going to be shown to eight campuses at our church.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:11):\r\n\r\nOh yeah. We were in a series.\r\n\r\nDave (01:12):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:13):\r\n\r\nAnd we were together speaking on parenting.\r\n\r\nDave (01:14):\r\n\r\nYeah. So Ann and I are both up there and you turn to me, sort of spontaneous, at the beginning of the message and say, \"Hey, what do you remember most about the baby and toddler years?\" And the first thought that came to my mind was I remember thinking \u201cI'll never take another nap the rest of my life,\u201d because you never sleep, right? But what I actually said is \u201cI remember thinking I'll never take another\u2014and it rhymed with nap\u2014the rest of my life.\u201d \r\n\r\nElisha:\r\n\r\nWow. \r\n\r\nAnd I'm being nice on the broadcast because maybe your kids are listening and it's a word you tell them not to use, but it rhymes with naps. So you can guess what I'm probably saying. And the place just breaks up. And I literally say to the video team, edit that, do not show that tomorrow at campuses. They\u2019re like, \"That one's staying in.\u201d\r\n\r\n(01:54):\r\n\r\nAnd for years, people would text me and say, \"Hey, have you taken a nap yet? Not nap, but whatever.\"\r\n\r\nAnn (01:59):\r\n\r\nAnd I don't think you did take a nap in all those years.\r\n\r\nDave (02:02):\r\n\r\nYeah. Here's the thing. We're talking about raising kids today, babies, the whole thing, and what actually happens in a marriage and maybe parents afterwards. We've got a great couple in the studio with us. Elisha and Katie Voetberg are with us. Welcome to FamilyLife Today.\r\n\r\nElisha (02:18):\r\n\r\nOh, thank you so much for having us. It's such a privilege and an honor.\r\n\r\nDave (02:21):\r\n\r\nTell our listeners what you do.\r\n\r\nElisha (02:23):\r\n\r\nKatie and I have been fortunate enough to be able to have a platform called NowThatWereFamily.com. And this started a few years back, kind of out of us experiencing life as parents for the first time. We were brought up in Christian families. By God's grace, we've got\u2014\r\n\r\nDave (02:38):\r\n\r\n\u2014big Christian families. How many?\r\n\r\nElisha (02:39):\r\n\r\nYeah. Well, I'm one of ten children.\r\n\r\nKathryn (02:42):\r\n\r\nYeah, and I'm the oldest of 11, so we had that in common. When we got married, we knew we'd probably have a few more kids than average. We kind of wanted to speak to those big family dynamics and kind of look back at our childhoods and be like, \u201cOkay, what did our parents do well? Why did we have this good experience? If we want to have a big family, how do we ensure that our children have a good experience and don't feel like they're left out or overlooked or all of those things?\u201d That kind of drove the start of us looking back to our backgrounds and then sharing what we were learning with our own kiddos. \r\n\r\nDave (03:18):\r\n\r\nAs you navigate your life with these little kids and you're doing what every day? You're doing podcasts, writing, speaking, blogging.\r\n\r\nElisha (03:26):\r\n\r\nYeah, all of the above. And for the last two years especially, Katie's done less and less. She's still kind of the prominent face of the Now that We're a Family, but she only works about two or three hours a week. They're just action-packed hours.\r\n\r\nAnn (03:39):\r\n\r\nWait, wait, wait, she's working all week.\r\n\r\nElisha (03:41):\r\n\r\nThat's right.\r\n\r\nAnn (03:43):\r\n\r\nJust in a different capacity. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nThere's a mom clarifying for every mom listening.\r\n\r\nElisha (03:47):\r\n\r\nYes, and that's worth clarifying. It's the most glorious work that you can find.\r\n\r\nAnn (03:52):\r\n\r\nAnd were you both homeschooled growing up?\r\n\r\nElisha (03:54):\r\n\r\nWe were.\r\n\r\nKathryn (03:55):\r\n\r\nYeah, that was something we also had a good experience with. I know that's not everybody's experience, but we both really felt like it gave us a lot of different opportunities. We loved it. We loved the family bonding that happened within homeschooling.\r\n\r\nAnn (04:09):\r\n\r\nAnd you guys have written a book for the mom and a book for the dad. It's called After the Baby: The Five Biggest Pain Points of Postpartum and How to Work Through Them as A Married Couple. \r\n\r\nDave (04:19):\r\n\r\nBut before we get to after the baby, we got to hear before the baby. Give us a little bit of your story. As I read it in the beginning of both of your books\u2014I mean, they're written for men and for women, for dads and moms. It's pretty fascinating. Is it really true there's this trampoline when you're eight years old? I mean, really, that's how it started?\r\n\r\nKathryn (04:38):\r\n\r\nI remember very distinctly being underneath the trampoline at eight years old, which is a hazardous place to be sitting. I was sitting there with my sister, and I was looking out and you could just see Elisha's legs. And he had these big old basketball shoes on, he had these skinny, tan legs. And I told my sister, \"I have a crush on that guy.\" And I did my research and I found out his name was Elisha Peter Voetberg. And so I went home and wrote in my journal, \"I want to marry Elisha Peter Voetberg.\"\r\n\r\nAnn (05:10):\r\n\r\nCome on.\r\n\r\nKathryn (05:11):\r\n\r\nAnd I actually found that journal when I was 19 and dating someone else at the time. It didn't seem real relevant, but the Lord had a plan.\r\n\r\nAnn (05:21):\r\n\r\nElisha, was that your plan?\r\n\r\nElisha (05:23):\r\n\r\nI did not know Katie existed at this point. And so I'm four and a half years older than Katie, and when I'm 12 and she's eight, that's a pretty big separation.\r\n\r\nAnn (05:32):\r\n\r\nYeah, it is.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nThat\u2019s a big deal.\r\n\r\nElisha (05:32):\r\n\r\nAnd when I'm 16 and she's 12, and when I'm 20 and she's 16, it's a big, big gap there. And so it wasn't really until Katie was maybe 18, 19 or 20 that I even saw her as a prospect, somebody that was within the realm of being somebody that I could pursue.\r\n\r\nDave (05:48):\r\n\r\nProspect; it sounds like the NFL draft or something.\r\n\r\nElisha (05:50):\r\n\r\nYeah, that's kind of how I had it laid out in my spreadsheet. No, I'm teasing. Fortunately, I had known Katie's parents. I had known her family and I had just the utmost respect for her as a person, and then her entire family. She comes from just a rich family of faith. The family is just blessed with generational faith.\r\n\r\nAnn (06:07):\r\n\r\nWe've met her parents, and they are remarkable people. \r\n\r\nElisha (06:12):\r\n\r\nAmen. Yes, couldn't agree more.\r\n\r\nAnn (06:13):\r\n\r\nSo your families grew up together.\r\n\r\nKathryn (06:15):\r\n\r\nYeah. So I was pen pals with Elisha's little sisters and we would see each other once a year at this family camp where we met. And we wrote letters and were like best friends. But I do think that that kind of put me in the little sister category too for a long time. It didn't really work in my favor necessarily. So when I was 18, you talked to my dad, and we had this kind of highly monitored courtship because here's this older guy coming in and talking to me. And I think it was when you came to my high school basketball game, Elisha was just like, \"I don't think this is going to work out.\u201d\r\n\r\nElisha (06:49):\r\n\r\nYeah, I think it was your high school volleyball game.\r\n\r\nKathryn (06:52):\r\n\r\nOh yes, what? Did I say basketball?\r\n\r\nElisha (06:53):\r\n\r\nYeah, I didn't even know you played high school basketball. Did you?\r\n\r\nKathryn (06:56):\r\n\r\nI don't even play basketball. Elisha plays basketball.\r\n\r\nElisha (07:00):\r\n\r\nAt that point, I was 22.\r\n\r\nKathryn (07:01):\r\n\r\nI was 18 and you're 19, 20, 21, 22. He was almost 23 and I was 18. And so I think it was just, I don't know, all the girls on my team thought it was kind of weird. He was out of college basically and I was still in high school and the age gap just seemed pretty big right then.\r\n\r\nElisha (07:18):\r\n\r\nYeah. And as much as Chad\u2014he's heard me say this before, my father-in-law, I respect that man, second only to my father\u2014he made it really hard for us to date that first time.\r\n\r\nKathryn (07:30):\r\n\r\nThat's true.\r\n\r\nElisha (07:31):\r\n\r\nAnd so there was not much room for chemistry to happen at all, there that first go around.\r\n\r\nKathryn (07:36):\r\n\r\nWe ended our formal courtship with my parents really heavily involved at that stage, dated other people. And then when we started dating again the second time, we really had this appreciation for who the other person was.\r\n\r\n(07:50):\r\n\r\nWe didn't take for granted that like, \"Oh, you were homeschooled, and I was homeschooled. That's a big conversation we don't have to have when it comes to our kids. We both know we value that for our own family.\u201d Or like, \u201cYou want a larger than average family. I do too.\u201d The first time around, I think we just assumed all these commonalities that we had. And then after having these conversations and realizing what a big deal they were to have with people that didn't grow up in the same culture that we both did, it was like kind of a breath of fresh air to already agree on stuff.\r\n\r\nDave (08:23):\r\n\r\nYeah, since you had so many commonalities and sort of this beautiful courtship, because you did it sort of the awkward, strange, and then the second time was like, \"Here we go, \" was marriage easy?\r\n\r\nElisha (08:35):\r\n\r\nI know marriage is entered into in so many different stages of life and in so many different stations in life, and Katie and my dating, and then being engaged, was far more challenging than our first year of marriage. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nReally? \r\n\r\nElisha:\r\n\r\nYes. I think we were very intentional in our dating and engagement. We had like zero fun. It was all work. We were just like had a list of these controversial topics we were going over.\r\n\r\nAnn (09:01):\r\n\r\nReally, that's pretty unusual too, because a lot of people see that as like, \"Let's just have fun. Let's just prepare for the wedding day.\" It sounds like you're preparing for a lifetime together. What were those conversations? What kind of conversations were you having?\r\n\r\nKathryn (09:14):\r\n\r\nAlcohol was a big one. I grew up in a family that didn't drink at all. Elisha's family did. Theology was really big for us. It's funny because we were both Christian, but then you break down the nuances of what that means\u2014what's big for one person, what's not, how you want to raise your kids. There was stuff like that we didn't even talk about though until we were a couple years married because I just shut down. \u201cI don't want to talk about that. We're both Christians and that's what matters.\u201d I don't know. There are a lot of things. \r\n\r\nElisha (09:43):\r\n\r\nYeah, like you said, on paper, it seems like there was nothing that we had different in our experiences: big families, homeschooled, great Christian parents, great Christian grandparents. And in a lot of ways, I think there can be a danger in assuming that you have a lot of things in common. And that can happen to anybody. You say, \"Oh, we're both Christians,\" and then you start to get to, \u201cHow is this going to flesh out in our life?\u201d Because the practical Christian life is going to look different for each and every couple, the way that they live that out. And you have expectations. Sometimes you don't realize you have expectations until the situation's brought upon you and you say, \"Well, we've always done it this way,\u201d and \u201cI've always done it that way.\" And since we had such positive experiences growing up, I think we both came in assuming a lot of our expectations were the right way, right?\r\n\r\n(10:24):\r\n\r\nYou think \u201cIt was great for me. Why would we do anything otherwise?\u201d And so being able to address some of those issues early on, and of course it didn't end on the marriage day. We continued to have those and still do continue to have those conversations about things that we did differently that we would maybe want to do differently in our family.\r\n\r\nKathryn (10:41):\r\n\r\nBut I mean, also too, you are two different people coming from two different backgrounds no matter what. So even like communication styles. I come from a very vocal family. We all just kind of blow up and say everything on our mind and then afterwards they're like, \"Oh, hey, I'm sorry about that.\" And Elisha's family is a lot more like thoughtful, take it to heart. So you're still navigating all that stuff because you are two different people that just think there's different ways of doing things, even if you agree that there's a similar outcome that you both want.\r\n\r\nDave (11:10):\r\n\r\nYou were doing the work that every couple should do and a lot of us don't, and then we have to do it after. And some don't make it because they think \u201cIt shouldn't be this hard,\u201d and it is hard. It's always hard. And if you go in thinking it shouldn't be hard and then it's hard, you're like, \"I'm out.\" Or we've often been told, \"I married the wrong person.\" And we say, \"Nope, you're looking in the wrong place.\"\r\n\r\nAnn (11:30):\r\n\r\nIt also sounds like you both respect your parents and grandparents, and I'm sure they were speaking into your lives as well. And when you're being homeschooled, you're being discipled that whole time. And I'm sure that was really important to you. And did you feel like you sought your parents' advice?\r\n\r\nElisha (11:47):\r\n\r\nOh, big time. And that was something that I think Katie and I both appreciated in each other is our teachability. Both of us looked at where we wanted to be and where we were and we're thinking, \u201cWell, between here and where we want to be is a whole lot of growth and growth is going to come from learning. It's going to come from being receptive and open to critique, and to coaching and counseling.\u201d\r\n\r\nKathryn (12:06):\r\n\r\nThat's still, yeah, even more true today. \r\n\r\nElisha:\r\n\r\nAbsolutely. \r\n\r\nKathryn:\r\n\r\nYou realize how far you still have to go; how much you still have to learn every day.\r\n\r\nAnn (12:18):\r\n\r\nThis is a great conversation. And before we continue, I just want to remind our listeners that our vision at FamilyLife is every home, a godly home, and we need your help to get there. And when you become a FamilyLife Partner, your monthly support makes that vision actually possible.\r\n\r\nDave (12:37):\r\n\r\nYeah, you'll get access to exclusive updates and events and the chance to join our partners only online community. But more than that, you're helping change the future of families. So the question is, will you come alongside us and alongside families in need?\r\n\r\nAnn (12:53):\r\n\r\nAnd you can go to FamilyLifeToday.com and read more about it and become a partner. Just click the donate button at the top and again, you can go to FamilyLifeToday.com. \r\n\r\nIf somebody's engaged, what do you hope for them? What do you hope are some of the steps that they would take?\r\n\r\nKathryn (13:13):\r\n\r\nSomething that my dad told me that you don't want to hear when you're engaged, but he told me this, two weeks prior to my wedding and he's like, \"Katie, if you are not 100% confident that you want to spend the rest of your life with this guy, I will refund everyone's plane tickets. We will cancel the wedding. It's always easier to say no now than it is once you are forever joined to this person.\u201d And so I think something that really helped me know that I wanted to be forever with Elisha is considering, \u201cOkay, he's going to be the father of my kiddos one day, Lord willing. How do I want him to raise those children?\u201d Because I think that there's certain things in your dating life where you're like, \"Oh, I can put up with it.\" Or we have this different moral system, or we have this different view of media or all these things and that doesn't really shake out until you have kids and all of a sudden, it really matters to you.\r\n\r\n(14:03):\r\n\r\nSo obviously you can't anticipate exactly how you're going to feel when you have children, but going into it thinking, \"Okay, is this person totally submitted to Christ?\" Because if that is in place, then we know that we have this third party that we can go to when we're disagreeing, right? We can go to scripture. And then the other thing is, do I trust them to raise my kids and to make decisions when I'm not around? And I think those were two things that kind of were going through my mind when we are getting married, and that gave me big peace when I had answered it, both of those things that, \u201cOkay, we can figure the rest out.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (14:39):\r\n\r\nWould you add anything to that, Elisha?\r\n\r\nElisha (14:41):\r\n\r\nThat was well said. I agree with everything Katie said. It's a huge blessing to have a wife that thinks that way I tell you what. Yeah, I can get emotional thinking about Katie's commitment to the Word and her submission to Christ and her acknowledging His Lordship, submitting to Him. Because boy, how easy is it to not do that? And how easy is it to then want to lay my life down for my bride as Christ did for the church when I see her glorifying God, serving Him and honoring me when I don't deserve it. When Katie reads the scriptures and she says, \"Wow, wives are supposed to submit to their husbands,\" she doesn't say, \"Okay, well, once he's a man worth submitting to, then I'll submit to him.\" She says, \"Oh, I'm going to obey God, and I'll submit to this guy.\u201d Do I deserve it?\r\n\r\n(15:20):\r\n\r\nDo I earn it? No, I didn't do anything. Just kind of like my salvation and boy, is that a cool place to grow from. And when I think of starting our marriage, it's crazy how lightly we can enter into it. But then you look at Scripture, marriage being the first institution God ordained here on earth and what has He done from that? He spread His image throughout the whole world from that first marriage. The influence the family has had is unparalleled to anything. It's spread Christ's image and God's image throughout the world more than just the\u2014I did it again with Noah and his family, right? He said that's all I need. If I've got a family, I can spread my image and accomplish my mission and yet it's so easy to go into marriage\u2014because it's common, you think it's ordinary. And I think that that's not how it is.\r\n\r\n(16:02):\r\n\r\nThere's something spiritual that's happening. It's a covenantal relationship. There's not too much preparation. When you think of a business plan, you think, \u201cOh, they\u2019re\u201d\u2014it'd probably be pretty in-depth. You'd have spreadsheets, you'd have financial goals. You'd have maybe a target customer base that you're going for, and you'd break it all down and no detail would be too minute. Or you can take this. Okay, well that's a business plan. Well, what do people think when they think of family planning? They simply think of numbers. That's what they think of: spacing and kids. And you're thinking, well boy, couldn't our family, couldn't our home have more of an in-depth plan than that\u2014a vision, a mission statement, something that we're going to be about as a home? Again, I know I didn't have as high of a view as family as the scriptures have and as God has entering into marriage.\r\n\r\n(16:45):\r\n\r\nAnd so going back, I wish I would have been more in awe of what this really is. You think, \u201cGod, how humble I feel to be able to enter into this institution that you have ordained and that is a representative of your relationship with us.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (17:00):\r\n\r\nI mean, was there a, as you look back, you've been married how many years?\r\n\r\nKathryn (17:04):\r\n\r\nSeven. \r\n\r\nElisha:\r\n\r\nSeven.\r\n\r\nDave (17:04):\r\n\r\nAs you look back, especially year one, coming from these families and the work you did before, was there an issue or a struggle that you remember, especially in the first year or two that was like, \"Man, this was really hard. This was one that we really had to work to get through.\"\r\n\r\nKathryn (17:23):\r\n\r\nWell, okay, one comes to my mind. I don't know what comes to your mind.\r\n\r\nElisha (17:25):\r\n\r\nOkay, let\u2019s hear it. Let's hear yours first.\r\n\r\nKathryn (17:28):\r\n\r\nOkay. So this was kind of like a mixed thing, but Elisha had this group of friends that he was really close to and due to my explosive nature of communicating, he did not feel safe with me and my reactions. And so he would take everything that he was thinking\u2014like I wasn't the first person to hear about it. I wasn't his best friend. I wasn't that safe place for him. He would take it to this group of friends.\r\n\r\nDave (17:55):\r\n\r\nBecause what'd you do? What do you mean, blow up?\r\n\r\nKathryn (17:59):\r\n\r\nYeah, I would just react. I was used to just showing every emotion on my sleeve. So he tells me what he's thinking, and I tell him what I'm thinking.\r\n\r\nAnn (18:05):\r\n\r\nThat's exactly what I did, Kate. I'm like, \"What's wrong with that? Isn't that the best way to do it? \"\r\n\r\nKathryn (18:09):\r\n\r\nYeah. It's like, \"We're just going to be real clear with each other here.\" And that was not a wise or thoughtful form of communication, especially when you're dealing with your spouse. This person means the most to you and when they're choosing to open up to you about something or share anything, regardless of how trivial it might seem, that's a sacred opportunity that you have to be there for that person. And I didn't value that. I didn't treasure that. And so all of those conversations were being taken away from me, and I felt very much on the outs our first, I don't know, six months of marriage. So I really didn't like him hanging out with his friends and they didn't like me because I was the bad guy, didn't like him hanging out with his friends. And I think too, and you would probably say this, Elisha, but in his communication too, Elisha was trying to please both parties.\r\n\r\n(19:04):\r\n\r\nSo he kind of made me the bad guy to the friends and then the friends the bad guy to me. So it was just a cycle of communication and ultimately me realizing that communication doesn't always mean speaking. Sometimes the best thing you can do is just sit there and listen to the other person, to kind of grow through that and to become that safe place. \r\n\r\nDave (19:25):\r\n\r\nIs that the same for you, Elisha?\r\n\r\nElisha (19:27):\r\n\r\nWell, on the other side of that issue was me. So if Katie owns that for herself, then I certainly need to say I was extremely wrong early on in not leaving and cleaving. You hear that term, and two becoming one, you're thinking, \"Well boy, what does that mean?\u201d It means that, and how cool is it that God does His own math? As two become one it's a mystery and He's thinking \u201cAlso I'm three persons,\u201d figure that out. You're thinking, \"Okay, what about the individual? Where's the individual in all this?\" He's saying, \"No, you're one.\" And I think I really neglected owning that and acknowledging that and living into that because it's one thing to say it with your words, but then to actually say, \"What would this look like and how would I act upon this?\" And I think that would mean open communication; that I go to Katie with my thoughts.\r\n\r\n(20:11):\r\n\r\nI go to her with my fears, my insecurities, my ideas, things that I'm excited about, things that I'm nervous about and I did not do that. And instead I really dishonored Katie, not necessarily behind her back, but just in the way I would speak about her to others. And it's so easy to do. It's so common in our culture to talk in a disparaging way about your spouse, and everybody gets a good laugh at it. \"Oh yeah, the old ball and chain,\u201d \u201cHappy wife, happy life, whatever it takes.\" And that's extremely dishonoring to the institution that God has called sacred. And I did not respect the institution early on in my marriage. I saw Katie as just, yeah, she was my life partner, she was my lover, she was my friend, but I didn't see it as being this covenantal bond where we are one.\r\n\r\n(20:51):\r\n\r\nWhat happens to me spiritually is going to affect her. What happens to her spiritually is going to affect us. And I really regret not acknowledging that, not having that open line of communication with her first and foremost.\r\n\r\nAnn (21:02):\r\n\r\nAnd many people won't put those pieces together like you were leaving and cleaving. Often, we think of our parents, we're leaving our parents. But you're saying I also needed to put Katie first, even before my friends, to leave them in a way. Not to leave their friendship, but to put Katie before them.\r\n\r\nElisha (21:21):\r\n\r\nAbsolutely. That's exactly right, yes.\r\n\r\nDave (21:23):\r\n\r\nI think it's interesting to hear, Katie, you say how you responded when Elisha would share things. Because I've said from the stage, often in a marriage conference, right or wrong, I've said that often for a man to share something vulnerable or a weakness is not easy and scary. And so when your husband comes to you, as his partner, and shares something that you even know, \u201cMan, he never\u201d\u2014a lot of wives will say he never talks. And then he finally does and that guy's\u2014like you may not know it, but the guy's like taking\u2014\"This is not easy for me to say, but I'm saying it to my wife, because we're one and you're my soulmate.\u201d And then he says it and there's silence, and then sometimes she responds like, \"That's it; that's all you got.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (22:08):\r\n\r\nOr she's mad, explodes; that\u2019s what I would do.\r\n\r\nDave (22:09):\r\n\r\nOr she downplays it or blows up or whatever. I've often said to wives, \"That guy's not coming back to you because that was a big risk for him. You don't think it was, but for him it was, and he got not reinforcement, he got the opposite. He's taking that somewhere else. It could be scary. It could be another woman, could be buddies.\u201d And again, wives are like, \"Well, I'm supposed to applaud something that's like lame?\" Yeah, pretty much. Applaud it because he's going to feel like she's a safe place. And I don't know what it is for women, but I know for guys, I can relate to what you're saying because if I would do that with Ann and she didn't, I would be like, \"Okay, I'm done. I tried.\" I'm not saying it's the wife's fault that the husband's quiet, but sometimes that's what's going on.\r\n\r\nAnn (22:54):\r\n\r\nYeah. Sometimes we need to just sit and listen or ask really good questions. And I would say that I often reacted instead of responded. And if we can do that as both a husband and wife, and as parents, especially with our kids, because it's so easy to react, we're on the whole next page of becoming the people that God created us to be.\r\n\r\nDave (23:31):\r\n\r\nWell, it's great to have Elisha and Katie Voetberg on the show with us today at FamilyLife Today. And by the way, you can get their books\u2014actually, it's two books. One is called After the Baby For Her, and the other is After the Baby for Him, and they're both at our link in the show notes at FamilyLifeToday.com.\r\n\r\nAnn (23:52):\r\n\r\nHey, so if something on today's episode just clicked with you, we want you to know that you are not alone because every single marriage has its fair share of just highs but also lows.\r\n\r\nDave (24:04):\r\n\r\nYou've heard our highs and you've heard a lot of our lows, but the question is, where do we go to get help? That was our question. Let me tell you, we are so thankful that you listened today and we have a resource that we would love to share with you as a free guide that will be filled with helpful marriage wisdom from real life couples who've been right where you are.\r\n\r\nAnn (24:26):\r\n\r\nSo you can grab your copy today at FamilyLife.com\/MarriageHelp. Again, did you hear that? Go to FamilyLife.com\/MarriageHelp for your free guide full of marriage tips.\r\n\r\nDave (24:45):\r\n\r\nFamilyLife Today is a donor supported production of FamilyLife\u00ae, a Cru\u00ae Ministry, 50 years of helping you pursue the relationships that matter most.\r\n\r\nIf you\u2019ve benefited from the FamilyLife Today transcripts, would you consider donating today to help defray the costs of producing them and making them available online?\r\n\r\nCopyright \u00a9 2026 FamilyLife. All rights reserved.\r\n\r\nwww.FamilyLife.com\n","theme_header_position":"","post_header_is_sticky":"","is_header_overlay":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast\/318348","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/podcast"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/47000"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=318348"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/295627"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=318348"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=318348"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=318348"},{"taxonomy":"podcast_series","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast_series?post=318348"},{"taxonomy":"cwp_profile","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/cwp_profile?post=318348"},{"taxonomy":"series","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/series?post=318348"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}