{"id":317355,"date":"2025-11-06T04:28:16","date_gmt":"2025-11-06T09:28:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/from-ruin-to-renewal-tony-lymari-navarro\/"},"modified":"2025-11-06T04:28:17","modified_gmt":"2025-11-06T09:28:17","slug":"from-ruin-to-renewal-tony-lymari-navarro","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/from-ruin-to-renewal-tony-lymari-navarro\/","title":{"rendered":"From Ruin to Renewal: Tony &#038; Lymari Navarro"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Tony Navarro and his wife Lymari had given up hope after an ongoing affair demolished their marriage. Decades later, the Navarros lay out their blueprints for how they rebuilt relational trust after betrayal. If it feels like your marriage is in ruins, Tony and Lymari believe there\u2019s still hope to be found.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tony and Lymari Navarro gave up hope after an ongoing affair destroyed their marriage. The Navarros share how they rebuilt trust after betrayal.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":47000,"featured_media":312569,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/traffic.omny.fm\/d\/clips\/cbd16f10-ac60-4f09-b4df-b15400ce35aa\/33aaac7e-3581-4e21-a3df-b154011ba58c\/6084ff29-dafa-498a-a5fc-b3830121e60b\/audio.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"01:19:34","filesize":"72.89M","filesize_raw":"","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2908,2805,2903],"tags":[],"podcast_series":[],"cwp_profile":[11215],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-317355","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-forgiveness","category-gods-plan-for-marriage","category-infidelity","cwp_profile-tony-and-lymari-navarro","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2025\/02\/image_bbee74.jpg?w=1024","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/317355\/from-ruin-to-renewal-tony-lymari-navarro","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/317355\/from-ruin-to-renewal-tony-lymari-navarro","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"U4ogKEEZmy\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/from-ruin-to-renewal-tony-lymari-navarro\/\">From Ruin to Renewal: Tony &#038; Lymari Navarro<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/from-ruin-to-renewal-tony-lymari-navarro\/embed\/#?secret=U4ogKEEZmy\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;From Ruin to Renewal: Tony &#038; Lymari Navarro&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"U4ogKEEZmy\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! This file is auto-generated *\/\n!function(d,l){\"use strict\";l.querySelector&&d.addEventListener&&\"undefined\"!=typeof URL&&(d.wp=d.wp||{},d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage||(d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage=function(e){var t=e.data;if((t||t.secret||t.message||t.value)&&!\/[^a-zA-Z0-9]\/.test(t.secret)){for(var s,r,n,a=l.querySelectorAll('iframe[data-secret=\"'+t.secret+'\"]'),o=l.querySelectorAll('blockquote[data-secret=\"'+t.secret+'\"]'),c=new RegExp(\"^https?:$\",\"i\"),i=0;i<o.length;i++)o[i].style.display=\"none\";for(i=0;i<a.length;i++)s=a[i],e.source===s.contentWindow&&(s.removeAttribute(\"style\"),\"height\"===t.message?(1e3<(r=parseInt(t.value,10))?r=1e3:~~r<200&&(r=200),s.height=r):\"link\"===t.message&&(r=new URL(s.getAttribute(\"src\")),n=new URL(t.value),c.test(n.protocol))&&n.host===r.host&&l.activeElement===s&&(d.top.location.href=t.value))}},d.addEventListener(\"message\",d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage,!1),l.addEventListener(\"DOMContentLoaded\",function(){for(var e,t,s=l.querySelectorAll(\"iframe.wp-embedded-content\"),r=0;r<s.length;r++)(t=(e=s[r]).getAttribute(\"data-secret\"))||(t=Math.random().toString(36).substring(2,12),e.src+=\"#?secret=\"+t,e.setAttribute(\"data-secret\",t)),e.contentWindow.postMessage({message:\"ready\",secret:t},\"*\")},!1)))}(window,document);\n\/\/# sourceURL=https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-includes\/js\/wp-embed.min.js\n<\/script>\n"},"spectra_custom_meta":{"secondline_imported_guid":["6084ff29-dafa-498a-a5fc-b3830121e60b"],"audio_file":["https:\/\/traffic.omny.fm\/d\/clips\/cbd16f10-ac60-4f09-b4df-b15400ce35aa\/33aaac7e-3581-4e21-a3df-b154011ba58c\/6084ff29-dafa-498a-a5fc-b3830121e60b\/audio.mp3"],"duration":["01:19:34"],"filesize":["72.89M"],"_thumbnail_id":["312569"],"show_notes":["\n<ul>\n<li>Visit <a href=\"https:\/\/www.familylife.com\/content-offers\/rebuild-trust\/\">FamilyLife.com\/Trust<\/a> to receive a free devotional and get their book, <a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product\/from-ruin-to-renewal\/\">Ruin to Renewal: Restoring Your Marriage After Trust Is Broken.<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Need Prayer? Head to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.familylife.com\/prayer-requests\">familylife.com\/prayforme<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Learn more about our Weekend to Remember events at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.familylife.com\/weekend-to-remember\/\">weekendtoremember.com<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr>\n<ul>\n<li>Find resources from this podcast at <a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product-category\/radio-resources\/\">shop.familylife.com<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product-category\/past-radio-resources\/\">See resources from our past podcasts.<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Find more content and resources on the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.familylife.com\/app\/\">FamilyLife's app<\/a>!<\/li>\n<li>Help others find FamilyLife. Leave a review on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303\">Apple Podcast<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm?si=d6dfa8d2415f4750\">Spotify<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Check out all the FamilyLife's podcasts on the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.familylife.com\/familylife-podcast-network\/\">FamilyLife Podcast Network<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n"],"ssp_guid":["https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/from-ruin-to-renewal-tony-lymari-navarro\/"],"transcript_url":["https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2025-11-06.pdf"],"transcript_content":["\nFamilyLife Today\u00ae with Dave and Ann Wilson; Podcast Transcript\r\n\r\nThis content has been generated by an artificial intelligence language model. While we strive for accuracy and quality, please note that the information provided will most likely not be entirely error-free or up-to-date. We recommend independently verifying the content with the originally-released audio. This transcript is provided for your personal use and general information purposes only. References to conferences, resources, or other special promotions may be obsolete. We do not assume any responsibility or liability for the use or interpretation of this content.\r\n\r\nFrom Ruin to Renewal\r\n\r\nGuests:Tony and Lymari Navarro\r\n\r\nRelease Date:November 6, 2025\r\n\r\nLymari (00:00:00):\r\n\r\nThree years into our marriage, I get a phone call from a mysterious woman who tells me \u201cYour husband is having an affair with a woman at work,\u201d and she hangs up. When you look at the Navarro house, we were a fixer upper. God really came in and restored the ruins of our marriage.\r\n\r\nDave (00:00:15):\r\n\r\nIf you've lost hope, He's the God of resurrection. He resurrected this marriage. He can resurrect yours. \r\n\r\nAlright. We got Tony and Lymari Navarro finally in the studio. \r\n\r\nAnn (00:00:30):\r\n\r\nFinally!\r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nOh man, finally we\u2019re here. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nWe're excited. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nI feel like we know you guys so well because we've done a Weekend to Remember with you. You\u2019re speakers.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nBut I don\u2019t remember where. Where was it?\r\n\r\nTony (00:00:39):\r\n\r\nI don't know either. It was at some banquet.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nYou don't either. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nWas it Texas?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:00:43):\r\n\r\nEverything's a blur, but I think it was Texas. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nTony (00:00:46):\r\n\r\nMaybe it was Texas.\r\n\r\nDave (00:00:47):\r\n\r\nSan Antonio?\r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nSan Antonio.\r\n\r\nTony (00:00:48):\r\n\r\nYes. That was it. That was it.\r\n\r\nDave (00:00:52):\r\n\r\nIt was cold and wet and raining. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nThat was it. San Antonio. \r\n\r\nLymari (00:00:54):\r\n\r\nIt\u2019s all coming back now.\r\n\r\nDave (00:00:54):\r\n\r\nAnd God showed up. But you guys do so many Weekend to Remembers. How many a year?\r\n\r\nTony (00:00:59):\r\n\r\nWe do about man\u2014 \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\n\u2014seven to eight. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\n\u2014seven to eight a year.\r\n\r\nDave (00:01:03):\r\n\r\nOh wow.\r\n\r\nTony (00:01:03):\r\n\r\nSeven to eight a year so I'd say, yeah, we travel more than I thought we would travel at this time in our life.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:01:10):\r\n\r\nIt was cool for us to get to know you, but also to get to know your story because you have a pretty remarkable story of what God has done. And Tony, you were saying as you walked into the studio, this feels crazy that we're here. Why is that?\r\n\r\nTony (00:01:24):\r\n\r\nWell, because in 2002, we attended a Weekend to Remember. It was called, I Still Do, I think it's with a conference. \r\n\r\nAnn (00:01:32):\r\n\r\nOh, you were attending. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nYeah, we were attendees.\r\n\r\nTony (00:01:34):\r\n\r\nSo we went there as an attendee. And I remember it was Dennis Rainey, think Crawford Loritts\u2014\r\n\r\nDave (00:01:40):\r\n\r\nDennis who? Founder and president of FamilyLife in case you don't know. Crawford Loritts, unbelievable mentor of ours, yeah.\r\n\r\nTony (00:01:50):\r\n\r\nWho else was there? Marty, I think it was. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nBob Lepine. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nYeah, Bob Lepine was there.\r\n\r\n(00:01:58):\r\n\r\nIt was just, I remember though going there, we were at the place of divorce though. I mean, we were coming out of something that really devastated our marriage. It's about 18 months of us constantly fighting and trying to get over this, trying to move on to the next step. So we were at a place where we really needed help, and one of the elders at the church actually told us, you should go to this event. They were advertising it through the radio and Moody Bible, 90.1. And so we go and not expecting what's going to happen here. I'd never saw so many couples, I'd never been to an event like this, never been to any kind of counseling or anything like that for marriages. So we're there and we're seeing all these marriages, and then they're starting to share about God's plan for marriage, about communication, about sex. I mean about a lot of different topics. And we left there very hopeful. And we actually were holding hands, like leaving.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:02:53):\r\n\r\nLymari, were you surprised of how you felt afterwards leaving? Did you feel hope? What were you feeling?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:03:00):\r\n\r\nI felt hope. I felt like we had tools to do marriage right. We didn't have examples growing up. And so we left that weekend with just a renewed sense of fight for our marriage. And one of the things that really, I put my stake in the ground was I was going to stop using the word divorce. I felt like that was really what the Holy Spirit prompted in me because I was using that word a lot. I say I like to use it. I like to use it like a credit card. And it was accruing a lot of credit, and it was deteriorating at our marriage at the time when we were trying to restore. And so I left there, yeah, saying this is it.\r\n\r\nDave (00:03:49):\r\n\r\nWell, we have to rewind. We have to go back.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:03:51):\r\n\r\nBut let me say, but Tony, for you, that when you sat down, you thought it's crazy that we're here.\r\n\r\nTony (00:03:59):\r\n\r\nYeah. It's crazy that we're here from sitting at the place that helped our marriage so much indirectly. It wasn't like, \u201cAlright, we went to a Weekend to Remember; we're going to now join FamilyLife. But you used half of our rent that day. We bought Home Builders, and it was called Home Builders at the time. And so we tried slapping it up in our basement and inviting other couples to come by and to learn what we were learning. But to be here to hear the voices that were on the radio. I used to listen on my truck. I was a truck driver for a moment. I would just listen, park at my truck, listen on the radio, and listen to Dennis and Bob talk about all these different things, different host, people that they had on the show. So I was sharing with somebody, it was almost like they were indirectly discipling me. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nWe still do that.\r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nYeah, and it still does that today. All the resources that we have here and the people that you get to interview, it gives you another layer of like, \u201cWow, I didn't know that. And now I do.\u201d And so there's a sort of accountability as well. But yeah, it's just kind of like a full circle moment for us and we're just blown away. We never been to Cru and get a chance to see that as well. So we were just like, \u201cWow, babe, we're part of something so big.\u201d It's amazing.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:05:13):\r\n\r\nAnd that's what God does.\r\n\r\nTony (00:05:14):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (00:05:15):\r\n\r\nWe didn't know your story until we did that first Weekend to Remember as your co-speakers in San Antonio. And we sat in the back of the room and like, \u201cOh, we're\u2014Tony and Lymari. Let's see.\u201d And then we're like, \u201cOh my goodness.\u201d And then we got your book. I mean, it's not out yet, but it's coming out right now when this show airs, it's coming out. So we have the manuscript and when Ann and I read it, we're like, you guys are really good writers. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nThank you. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nI don't know if anybody's told you that; you are. I mean, we knew the story, but it's captivating. And so here's the title, Ruin to Renewal: Restoring Your Marriage After Trust is Broken. Well, we just found out something happened\u2014 in the title. \r\n\r\nAnd by the way, you can go to FamilyLifeToday.com in the show notes there. We'll have a link that you can buy their book. So let's start at the beginning. We sort of got a little bit later, but start how you met, how it started. Give us the ruin to renewal story.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:06:11):\r\n\r\nYeah, so we grew up in the same neighborhood. I would see him on and off on public transportation. Kind of had a crush on him from afar. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nOh, Tony!\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nI thought he was really good looking and charming. And he had this mole right above his lip. He still has it. He just hides it with his mustache now. And I just thought he was really cute. And we had similar friends, but we would not really get to know each other for years until we started dating. And during our dating season we broke up. And in between that time of breaking up, I ended up being a single mom. I got pregnant at 17 years old. \r\n\r\nDave (00:06:58):\r\n\r\nYou were living in Chicago?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:06:59):\r\n\r\nWe were in the heart of Chicago. So we like to call ourselves hood hearts. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nHood hearts. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nWe're from the neighborhood, right?\r\n\r\nTony (00:07:07):\r\n\r\nTwo city blocks away from each other.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:07:08):\r\n\r\nInner city of Chicago.\r\n\r\nDave (00:07:10):\r\n\r\nPlease tell me you're not Bears fans.\r\n\r\nTony (00:07:11):\r\n\r\nDiehard Bears fans. I bleed that Navy blue and orange.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:07:18):\r\n\r\nYou guys, was there any faith going on in your lives or your family? \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nNone of it, nothing. \r\n\r\nTony (00:07:22):\r\n\r\nI mean, like she said, Chreasters where we would go to our church for\u2014\r\n\r\nDave (00:07:28):\r\n\r\nWe know you well. I pastored forever.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:07:31):\r\n\r\nWe know your type.\r\n\r\nTony (00:07:32):\r\n\r\nIt was more of the Catholic background though, and so I did not have any idea what Christians in a sense were. So we weren't living a life to honor the Lord or of any of that. We were kind of just in that city life or inner-city life where we were playing house. I mean, she was pregnant when we got back together again.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:07:53):\r\n\r\nHit that for a second. Just what was that like being 17 years old and being pregnant?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:07:59):\r\n\r\nScary. Part of my story was that I was actually laying on an abortion table about to take the life of my son when his little hand popped up from my belly and it stopped the procedure, and they found out I was a little farther than I was. And so God literally saved my son from that. I was just a scared teenage girl, afraid to tell her mom. And when I finally\u2014 \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nI get chills.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\n\u2014I told my mom. She was a single mom. She was brokenhearted, but my mom helped me raise my son for the first year of his life. And then Tony and I reconnected. So I was very terrified. I didn't even like it when I got pregnant. I was young, naive.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:08:48):\r\n\r\nBut Lymari, think about that. I mean, you're on the table and you get off because your son moved and poked you.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:08:56):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (00:08:56):\r\n\r\nYour son, does he know?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:08:58):\r\n\r\nHe knows the story.\r\n\r\nDave (00:08:59):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:09:00):\r\n\r\nAnd he's a miracle. Even his story's a miracle. And so I say he was fighting for his life. He's like, \u201cNo, not today, Mom.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:09:08):\r\n\r\nWhat a gift from God that was. And you guys didn't even really\u2014you weren't following Him, but God's like, \u201cI'm with you.\u201d\r\n\r\nLymari (00:09:14):\r\n\r\nYeah, yeah. God's hand\u2014we can see the evidence of God's hand throughout our whole life. So even when we look back, it's like God has been merciful. He's been kind to us. Even that. And then 17\u2014we get together when I'm 18 and then we get into a serious relationship, and he helps raise that little boy because his dad was not in his life. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nAnd you didn't have any hesitation, Tony?\r\n\r\nTony (00:09:42):\r\n\r\nI did because I mean, I didn't know what I was doing. And it seems like when we broke up that first time, we both went in different directions, but I think in the same direction. I started to really get involved with drugs, started to hang around\u2014I like what Lecrae says, I was like a hang banger. I was just hanging around with all the bad influences at the time and really getting to a place where I wasn't even believing I was going to live past my twenties. Because in a neighborhood, you just don't live very long, or you get locked up. And so I was living a life that wasn't a place where a kid should be, or a woman should be. And so when we were living together, we had to make some changes. But I still was struggling with the addiction. I was still struggling with a different mindset. Lymari was invited to a church.\r\n\r\nDave (00:10:33):\r\n\r\nWait, wait, wait. I remember at the Weekend to Remember how you said her name.\r\n\r\nTony (00:10:38):\r\n\r\nYeah, \u201cLamati.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (00:10:39):\r\n\r\nYou say it in such a different way.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:10:40):\r\n\r\nHe's the only one that pronounces it that way. And I don't have the heart to correct him. And now\u2014 \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nIt's kind of a sweet now.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nIt's sweet now. It's grown on me.\r\n\r\nDave (00:10:49):\r\n\r\nI'm like over here \u201cDid I say it wrong?\u201d \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nNo, no, you said it.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nLymari.\r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nPretty.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nI like it. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nOr I call her limo. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nLymari is pretty. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nSo we were living with each other, basement apartment, two kids at the time. She gets invited to church.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:11:06):\r\n\r\nWait, so you guys had a baby?\r\n\r\nTony (00:11:08):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:11:08):\r\n\r\nSo now I'm pregnant with his son. We're living together.\r\n\r\nDave (00:11:12):\r\n\r\nHow old's your first son?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:11:13):\r\n\r\nSo our son at the time, he is what? One? \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nTwo. One and a half.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nWell, one and a half. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nWhen you got pregnant.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nWhen I got pregnant. So by the age of 21, I'm with my second child.\r\n\r\nTony (00:11:26):\r\n\r\nSo yes, it was scary\u201421, having two kids, trying to figure this all out. But she's invited to a church service. She goes to see her family, celebrate Mother's Day. And then also, I think it was your cousin that was going to be baptized or something. So anyway, she goes and she keeps going. She keeps going to this church. And I'm thinking, \u201cWell, she's out of the house. She's out of my hair. She's taking the kids so life's good,\u201d right? \u201cI'm going to let that keep happening.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:11:56):\r\n\r\nSo even at that point, you guys weren't doing that great?\r\n\r\nTony (00:11:59):\r\n\r\nNo.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:11:59):\r\n\r\nNo.\r\n\r\nTony (00:12:00):\r\n\r\nNo, no. We were very toxic, dysfunctional.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:12:04):\r\n\r\n\u2014to each other.\r\n\r\nTony (00:12:05):\r\n\r\nAnd again, we needed answers, but we weren't necessarily looking for them. But Lymari started to get answers when she started visiting the church and God really started to do a change in her, dramatically. \r\n\r\nLymari (00:12:19):\r\n\r\nWhy did you go to church, Lymari?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:12:21):\r\n\r\nSo I was bribed. I did not want to go to church. I was not a church goer. And a cousin of mine said, \u201cWell, they're going to be honoring the mothers on Mother's Day.\u201d And my mom and my sister had been attending this church, and I was living my life. I was still partying, doing all these things. A mom but still was living it up. I was young. And so she invites me to church and says, \u201cWell, you have to go because they're going to honor your mom.\u201d So I go there reluctantly. I was there and it was for the first time I heard the gospel, and my heart was pricked. And I would come back again a second time because my cousin who was also from inner city was drug dealing, gang banging\u2014all of that had transformed. And he said, \u201cI want you to come and hear me share my story.\u201d And when he shared his story, he said\u2014I don't remember a lot of things he said, but he said it's like God took all his pain and He squished it like a grape.\r\n\r\n(00:13:29):\r\n\r\nAnd I sat in that pew thinking, \u201cWell, I want all my pain squished like a grape.\u201d And I heard the gospel for the first time: how Christ loved me, and He died for me. And I sat in the pew thinking, \u201cDo you know where I've been and the things that I've done? There's no way that you can forgive me.\u201d And I thought to myself, \u201cWell, if you're willing to forgive, then I'm willing to come to you.\u201d And I remember walking up to the altar crying with my high heels, making\u2014I think I was the only one that went up. And I'm crying to the Lord. And for the first time in my life, I felt peace. I felt love. I felt forgiven and I was transformed. I was in love with God, and I would go home, and it was in stark contrast to what I was reading and learning from the pulpit.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:14:18):\r\n\r\nWhat did you say to Tony when you went home?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:14:20):\r\n\r\nI said, I mean, I came home and I was like, \u201cI gave my life to Jesus.\u201d And he's like, \u201cThat's great,\u201d as long as it don't interrupt his life, \u201cYou can go to church.\u201d And he would still be doing his thing, getting high, hanging out with buddies, doing his stuff. And I am\u2014here I am praying for him, crying out for him. I have the church praying for him and fasting for him, and he wouldn't come to church. And then I said, \u201cWe've been living in sin, and we need to stop having sex, or I need to leave you, or you marry me. And all of a sudden, this God interrupted his sex life. And so that changed everything. \r\n\r\nAnn (00:15:04):\r\n\r\nOkay, Tony, we have to hear what's going on in your head.\r\n\r\nTony (00:15:07):\r\n\r\nWell, yeah, I'm thinking everything was okay until she said that. And I'm like \u201cWhat?\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:15:12):\r\n\r\nYou didn\u2019t care if she's at church.\r\n\r\nTony (00:15:15):\r\n\r\nShe's like, \u201cWe're not having sex no more.\u201d I'm like, \u201cWhat?\u201d And she's trying to explain why. And I'm like, \u201cThat's crazy. It doesn't say that.\u201d And all these, I mean, because I'm thinking this is not normal that people do that. And so I told her, \u201cWell, I'm going to go to church then,\u201d because I wanted to see what this pastor was talking about. I wanted to talk to this guy and figure out what is this guy talking to my girlfriend about all this nonsense stuff. \r\n\r\nSo I go that next Sunday; we ended up going together. And I still remember how it literally was for the first time I was standoffish. I don't want nobody touching me. Don't give me no handshakes. Don't hug me. Just leave me alone. Where do I got to sit? And so she sits\u2014I want to sit in the back. She's like, \u201cCome sit in the front.\u201d\r\n\r\n(00:15:59):\r\n\r\nI don't want to sit in the front. And so we sit in the middle. We're having an argument about where to sit. I don't want to go to the front and so you sit in the middle. It's a small church, but for the first time I heard the gospel. I didn't know this is what the Bible said. I didn't know that Jesus died for me. I didn't know that there's this thing called grace and mercy and that second chance and life and that the word gives us how to live for the Lord. And so I'm crying out of anger, grabbing the pew as he's asking for those that\u2014I mean they're doing altar calls, then come to the front, come to the front and I'm squeezing it angry and crying because I'm feeling like something's wrong right now. Really, really wrong. Either this is a lie, or this is right. And I started feeling emotional and I wasn't a crier. Lymari can't even remember when I would cry. And so I was just\u2014 \r\n\r\nLymari (00:17:00):\r\n\r\nNow he cries all the time. It\u2019s great.\r\n\r\nTony (00:17:00):\r\n\r\n\u2014really feeling\u2014yeah, really feeling this turmoil within me. And so I don't go up. I see the pastor afterward. He gives me a big hug and I'm just kind of stiff, like a log, whatever, receiving this love from this man. And I left though with an impression that I maybe need to relook at this again. I need to come back. And a few months went by, long conversations, talking to different people. I came to a place of like \u201cI surrender, man. Everything I'm doing right now hasn't been working. And I know that you are the true Christ.\u201d And I was so scared because I don't remember three years not being high every single day. I was thinking, \u201cThis is life. You're not going to make it. How are you going to get through the day without it? Why are you going to go up there and say those things or go to the front? You're going to still get high.\u201d And I tell you this, it doesn't happen for everybody, but the taste for it left. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nReally. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nAnd I didn't have the withdrawal. I didn't have sicknesses in that sense. I mean, I had habits still the way that I processed, the way I was deceptive in my daily routines of what I did around Lymari in the home but for the first time, peace. I didn't feel angry anymore.\r\n\r\n(00:18:18):\r\n\r\nAnd it was just, I really felt like the Lord was drawing me towards Him, in His presence. And so that started off, and that's where we were months later. It was like three months later we're like, \u201cWe're getting married.\u201d And they didn't say just because you're living with each other, \u201cYou get married.\u201d No, they walk with us and said, \u201cThis is what the Bible says. This is what you guys are doing.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:18:36):\r\n\r\nSo you guys are getting discipled.\r\n\r\nTony (00:18:39):\r\n\r\nWe're getting discipled there. And it's like \u201cThis is the next steps that you need.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (00:18:41):\r\n\r\nAnd I guess the sex thing was cut off.\r\n\r\nTony (00:18:44):\r\n\r\nYeah, it was. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nI stopped. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nWe stopped. And then it was my conviction as well. And we said, \u201cWell, until we get married, we won't have sex then.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (00:18:51):\r\n\r\nWhat do you tell couples today? I mean, we got to go back to your story, but pause and say, okay, there's a couple that says, \u201cI still think that's stupid.\u201d What do you say to them? Like, \u201cNo, this is why God says you should wait until you're married.\u201d\r\n\r\nLymari (00:19:04):\r\n\r\nYeah. I think one of the things is they're missing out on the blessing of marriage. And we talk about this idea of obedience to the word of God. We have to align not to what we think or what culture's teaching, but what does God say? Because He\u2019s the final authority. So we try to walk people through that. \r\n\r\nWe had a couple that we were walking with just even recently and doing premarital with them and they were living together. And I've sat down with her and said, \u201cHey, if he's not willing, it's time for you to leave.\u201d Because God was doing a work in her and she needed to take a strong stance. And that's where I was at. I knew God was doing something dramatic inside of my life. And this one area was a level where the Holy Spirit was telling me, \u201cLymari, I need you to stop. I need you to obey me and watch what I could do.\u201d And He used that to actually bring Tony to Jesus.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:20:06):\r\n\r\nTony, I was crying and you're emotional too, as you recall that even; that you could, your fear of not being able to get through a day without some sort of a high. Why does that make you emotional?\r\n\r\nTony (00:20:22):\r\n\r\nI feel emotional because of the fact that there are other people like me that are stuck in that everyday cycle. And the fear of the unknown or the fear of failure, again, they're going to let themselves down because you've tried this. A lot of times when it comes to addiction, somebody's tried already\u2014\r\n\r\n(00:20:41):\r\n\r\n\u2014multiple times to break it, whether that's substance or porn or whatever it is that you're going to try on your own efforts to do it. And so I didn't want to let Lymari down. I didn't want to let these people down. I didn't want this to be some sort of, and I really wanted out. I wanted to be there and present with my family, but I was a very angry\u2014I was very angry as well. And so I was kind of medicating myself with a lot of different things. That was just kind of how I was coping with it, all that.\r\n\r\nDave (00:21:09):\r\n\r\nWhat was the anger?\r\n\r\nTony (00:21:11):\r\n\r\nI grew up\u2014in the neighborhood that we grew up in, it was kind of like wearing anger was kind of your t-shirt.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:21:17):\r\n\r\nIt was an armor. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\n\u2014badge of honor.\r\n\r\nTony (00:21:19):\r\n\r\nIt came across like angry, tough. And then, I mean, there were obviously things in my own home as well that I can look back now and see certain points in my life growing up in my household where the seed of anger was really\u2014had soil to have its fruit come out of my life. And so being quick and using that as a fuel for reputation and all that kind of stuff in the neighborhood, but I didn't know how to turn it off. And so when we would get together, we\u2019d have arguments. It\u2019d just explode. I mean, I'm physically damaging things, not hitting Lymari, but just the way that I cope with life. It was always that was to do anything was to muster up the anger and to get it done. \r\n\r\nAnn (00:22:10):\r\n\r\nSo it had been an armor probably most of your life. And who would you be without the anger and then the drugs to help that subside?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:22:19):\r\n\r\nIt's interesting because I think about this idea of an armor. And when the armor was gone, Tony became so tender, and he's still very tender. There's a part of him that's so tender with our kids growing up, tender with me. And it was like he was hiding behind this thing that was really destroying him. And it was learned. It's generational as well, things we've had to fight. So he's come a long way from there, from that space.\r\n\r\nDave (00:22:52):\r\n\r\nWas that something you saw dissipate right after coming to Christ? Because the drugs did. I mean that was done.\r\n\r\nTony (00:22:57):\r\n\r\nMoments of it.\r\n\r\nDave (00:22:59):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nTony (00:23:00):\r\n\r\nThe moments where there would be times where I really felt waking up like, \u201cWow.\u201d Do you ever wake up and it's just like you actually hear birds, even though you're living in the city. There's like, \u201cOh, I do hear birds. I don't just hear something else, gunshots.\u201d But I mean, it is just like a peace. But then there are obviously moments where you're just feeling more of an attack and just the season of spurts of anger or something.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:23:26):\r\n\r\nWait guys, so what were all your friends? Your friends are probably a tough group and they are partying.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:23:32):\r\n\r\nAbsolutely.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:23:33):\r\n\r\nWhat are they thinking? What has happened to these guys?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:23:36):\r\n\r\nWhat's interesting? There was so many of our friends coming to know Jesus as a result of the transformation that was happening in our lives. We even had young man call us at 11 o'clock at night, called him and he was on a really bad high. And he went to some other guys and they just said, \u201cWe don't know how to help you, but Tony Navarro, he can help you.\u201d So he shows up at our house, we're praying for this guy. We're telling him, \u201cGet rid of your drugs.\u201d He gives his life to Jesus. He gets married. And those were the kind of stories that were happening around us because of the transformation that was happening in us.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nThat\u2019s awesome.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nThat people were witnessing. Yeah.\r\n\r\nDave (00:24:14):\r\n\r\nThat's supposed to happen. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nIt was pretty cool. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nThat's it. You're called to ministry the day you're called.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:24:19):\r\n\r\nAbsolutely.\r\n\r\nDave (00:24:20):\r\n\r\nSo you get married\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn (00:24:21):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (00:24:23):\r\n\r\n\u2014and how'd that go?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:24:25):\r\n\r\nIt went well for the first couple years.\r\n\r\nTony (00:24:27):\r\n\r\nVery budget friendly.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:24:28):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\n(00:24:30):\r\n\r\nWe get married. We're doing well, as good as we possibly can. Again with the things that were handed to us. One idea that we have is that we bring all these things into our marriage from our\u2014what we've learned experiences, some of the ways that we deal with things. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nAll of our baggage. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nAll our baggage. I think it's Pete Cesario. He says, \u201cJesus may be in my heart but Grandpa's in my bones.\u201d Right. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nThat's good. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nSo you get these parts of you that you bring into marriage that trickle into the narrative of your marriage. And so as much as we were now new Christians, there was still a lot of areas of surrender that God was still getting at. And so three years into our marriage, now we're serving, we're doing Sunday school, we're serving in children's ministry\u2014 \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\n\u2014sitting in the front row.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\n\u2014sitting in the front row. \r\n\r\nTony (00:25:25):\r\n\r\nSitting in the front row. We were sitting in the front row. We've been sitting in the front row now for a lot of years. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nI like the front row people.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:25:29):\r\n\r\nI love the front row. There's nothing like the front row. That's where the fire is at. And so we're growing in our faith. And then three years into our marriage, we had become like ships in the night. I was working at night. Now we have three kids. He's working. So we're kind of tag teaming. He's coming in, I'm leaving. He's leaving, I'm coming in. And so we had drifted.\r\n\r\nTony (00:25:57):\r\n\r\nYeah, before that too\u2014so I needed to get a career because what I was doing was not going to be a career. And so now after that I said, listen Lymari, I should go back to school or do something. So I went into the trade. And so that took me out of the loop for a while. Did that for 18 months, really do well with that too. And took on two jobs. So I was working another job, two small jobs like restaurants and working at a shop as well and working on tires and brakes and stuff like that. So it took me out of the community.\r\n\r\n(00:26:32):\r\n\r\nI wasn't consistent anymore. And still new believer and still trying to figure this all out. But I felt really good about the fact that I was making traction. And then I landed this good job that I was like, \u201cWow, babe, I think that this can be the one that you can stay home. I can bring home enough, and you can just raise the kids. But ended up, there were a lot of temptations that I was not able to process and me drifting away, really getting cold to the things of God, not practicing\u2014I would call my disciplines in a sense\u2014reading the Word, having time with God, obeying. It was just kind of get up and go and then try to make it to the next event.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:27:13):\r\n\r\nIsn't that interesting though, how we don't understand the impact of just those daily disciplines, but you're saying\u2014and we all get busy. That can happen to every single one of us, and it does happen to all of us.\r\n\r\nTony (00:27:27):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:27:27):\r\n\r\nBut you felt that your heart got a little colder and distant.\r\n\r\nTony (00:27:31):\r\n\r\nOh yeah. Because we went from being so active to now becoming not so active. And she was still\u2014\r\n\r\nLymari (00:27:38):\r\n\r\n\u2014very active in the church.\r\n\r\nTony (00:27:38):\r\n\r\n\u2014very active. And so for me, I always felt like I was coming from behind now, having to try to catch up. And she was growing in the Word. She was growing in her prayers. And I felt like, \u201cWow, I don't even know how to pray. You do.\u201d But I felt good about the fact that I was bringing home an income.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:27:55):\r\n\r\nYou\u2019re providing.\r\n\r\nTony (00:27:56):\r\n\r\nRight. And then overtime opportunities came. I was taking on those opportunities as well. And so we saw the drift. The drift was there. We were definitely drifting from each other. I was drifting though from the Lord. She at least was still connected in that way. But we were, like she said, going in, tag teaming, \u201cYou take this shift. I take the next,\u201d and not really growing in this marriage together.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:28:21):\r\n\r\nAnd we had three kids at the time, and our youngest was, he was 18 months. And so yeah, our marriage was, I thought it was okay, but it was shaky. And so three years into our marriage, I get a phone call from a mysterious woman who calls me, who tells me \u201cYour husband Marcos,\u201d because that\u2019s what they call him at work. That's his actual name. His nickname is Tony. Everyone calls him Tony. Only people at work call him Marcos. \r\n\r\nTony (00:28:52):\r\n\r\nOr my friend's at FamilyLife.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:28:55):\r\n\r\nShe tells me \u201cYour husband Marcos is having an affair with a woman at work.\u201d And she hangs up.\r\n\r\nDave (00:29:01):\r\n\r\nShe just called, said that, and hung up?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:29:02):\r\n\r\nAnd just hung up.\r\n\r\nDave (00:29:04):\r\n\r\nDo you know who it was? Have you ever talked to her?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:29:05):\r\n\r\nTo this day I don't know who it is. It was a mysterious phone call. I\u2019d never hear from her again. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nSo how old were your kids at that point? \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nSo four, six, and our youngest was 18, 18 months. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nWhat'd you feel in that second? \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nI call it the wrecking ball. That wrecking ball came swinging into our marriage, and I was left with pieces. And so I called Tony immediately at work and I said, \u201cYou have about 15 minutes to get home. I just got this phone call, and you have to explain yourself, or I will show up to your job with all three of your kids.\u201d So my hood Latina came out. I was like, \u201cYou got some explaining to do Ricky,\u201d no. So he showed up to the house, and in our kitchen, he told me, \u201cI'm not having an affair, but I've fallen out of love with you.\u201d And that is some of the hardest things to hear from the man that you love. \r\n\r\nSo I grab our kids, and I leave and I go to the place where I feel safest. I go to my pastor's office, and I call Tony from there, and I tell him, \u201cIf you want to salvage what's left of our marriage, show up to our pastor's office.\u201d And this was the beginning of our\u2014we call it the demo day, where everything came crashing down in our marriage. \r\n\r\nAnn (00:30:31):\r\n\r\nTony, when you were called at work, what did you think?\r\n\r\nTony (00:30:37):\r\n\r\nI kind of describe it like life stopped, couldn't feel. She's on the other side of the phone telling me, \u201cGet home. Somebody told me that you're having an affair with somebody at work.\u201d Or right away your first initial response for me was, I want to deny it. Right? But I don't know what to do. I'm just like, my heart dropped. Everything is about to change right now. And so I get home, I leave, I get home, and I'm still denying it. I'm trying to damage control, trying to figure if I can get out of this without damaging too much. And told her \u201cI've fallen out of love with you.\u201d And that was part of the process, but it was kind of hiccups of truth coming out. But when I get to the pastor's office, he's encouraging me to \u201cTony, get it all out, man.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:31:29):\r\n\r\nTell her everything.\r\n\r\nTony (00:31:30):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nGet a little bit now and then more.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:31:32):\r\n\r\nQuit lying. He knew. Our pastor knew.\r\n\r\nTony (00:31:35):\r\n\r\nYeah. This isn't pastor's first rodeo, right? He's been in with a lot of marriages in his office.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:31:40):\r\n\r\nWere you afraid of Lymari when that\u2014\r\n\r\nTony (00:31:42):\r\n\r\nYeah, I was afraid of Lymari, yeah. We're still new believers. We're still new believers. It wasn't like everything is, but I knew that it can get really ugly quick. But I felt safe with my pastor. Pastor was kind of like my second dad. He came in a pivotal time in my life when I didn't have a role model like that. And just the way that he was very patient with me at times. But he said, he's said, \u201cTony, just get it out there. Are you having an affair or not?\u201d And I said, \u201cYeah, I had an affair,\u201d but it was still just, I wanted to make it seem like it was maybe one time I just had an affair. But the minute I said that Lymari already falls to the floor and she's just crying. He's just sitting behind his chair just observing us both. I'm about to cry too, but I'm just worried about what's going to happen next. Is she going to get up and beat me? Or what is she going to do? I mean, she is tough, tough cookie. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nYou're making me sound so horrible. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nShe said some things after that though, that really changed the direction of where we were going to go.\r\n\r\nDave (00:32:50):\r\n\r\nI mean, when you heard him say yes, because before he said no.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:32:55):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (00:32:55):\r\n\r\nAnd you probably thought, \u201cWell, maybe he's true,\u201d but there, and he now says it\u2014\r\n\r\nLymari (00:33:00):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (00:33:00):\r\n\r\n\u2014what happened? You just collapsed?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:33:01):\r\n\r\nI collapsed to the ground. I was crying. I felt like there was a lot of questions in my head, like \u201cWhen? Who? What were you thinking?\u201d And so I'm here crying on the floor, and I immediately get up, wipe my tears, and I look at our pastor and I says, \u201cDoesn't the Bible say this is means for a divorce?\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:33:28):\r\n\r\nOoh, those are your first words.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:33:29):\r\n\r\nThose were my first words. And I had told Tony before, if you ever cheat on me, we're done. I saw my mom get hurt by men. I wasn't going to be that person. And so our pastor looked at me with so much wisdom, and it's almost like he could see for miles and generations what could happen with this decision. And at that moment, he says, \u201cYou're right, Lymari. You do have the right to divorce him, but there's another option. The other option is grace.\u201d He said those words. And I could feel myself, go back to the moment that 21-year-old girl who came to the altar who was broken, and I thought about the word grace and how it literally found me dying in a pew. And I looked at Tony and I said, \u201cI choose grace.\u201d \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nRight there. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nThose three words\u2014 \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nI choose grace.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\n\u2014just came out, and I know it was the Holy Spirit. Saying the words and living them, that was two different things. But right there, I was able to say, \u201cI choose grace.\u201d And our pastor said, \u201cBoth are going to be hard. One is going to require you sticking it out, working through the junk, and the other can devastate your family, your children. Both are going to be hard, but you have a choice today.\u201d And so that moment, I said, \u201cI choose grace.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (00:34:59):\r\n\r\nTony, what'd you think?\r\n\r\nTony (00:35:02):\r\n\r\nWell, I had already reasoned that I was going to probably move my things out of the house or the apartment and start living with a family member or my mom or somebody and be the weekend dad. When she left after we had that conversation at the house, I got a chance to walk around the apartment and just look at, \u201cI messed this all up. I messed this all up.\u201d And I never wanted my kids to go through that.\r\n\r\nDave (00:35:37):\r\n\r\nYou\u2019re thinking \u201cI'm going to lose all this.\u201d Every room, every bed.\r\n\r\nTony (00:35:42):\r\n\r\nYeah, everything. Everything we went through for the last three years, which was a lot for what we were going through. And then when I get a chance to hear that, I'm like, \u201cWhat?! She's going to give me grace.\u201d And we share in the book. I said, \u201cIt wasn't just a word I heard or something theological. It was like a blanket or coat that I needed. I was wrapped around.\u201d\r\n\r\n(00:36:08):\r\n\r\nI was just like, \u201cWow, what's happening right now? What's going to happen here? That's not Lymari. That's not the Lymari that I married. She would never do that.\u201d And so for her to say that; it blew me away. But it also stopped my thoughts of like, \u201cWait, maybe we're going to get through this.\u201d Right? \u201cMaybe\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nThere's hope. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nYeah, there's hope. And so although it was just like, again, she just said it. We haven't got a chance to even live it out. But if I'm going home tonight, I'm like, that's something I never knew that was going to happen, that I'm going to be able to go home and stay in my home with my wife and kids.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:36:49):\r\n\r\nSo what happened? \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nSo after that, I mean, I made that decision and then the work behind that came, and he told me it happened once, but all the revelation of the affair started to come out. In fact, it came out through a dream. I had a dream that I saw the other woman, how she looked. She tells me in the dream how long it had been happening that she was in love with my husband.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:37:16):\r\n\r\nCome on.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:37:17):\r\n\r\nAnd I wake up and I turn to him, and I tell him the dream. And he's like, \u201cWhat?\u201d\r\n\r\nTony (00:37:21):\r\n\r\nI thought she was a witch. I was like\u2014never heard of that before.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:37:22):\r\n\r\nHe was like, \u201cThat's just a dream.\u201d But when I say\u2014\r\n\r\nDave (00:37:26):\r\n\r\nWas it accurate?\r\n\r\nTony (00:37:27):\r\n\r\nIt was accurate.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:37:28):\r\n\r\nIt was accurate to the T.\r\n\r\nTony (00:37:29):\r\n\r\nSpot on.\r\n\r\nDave (00:37:30):\r\n\r\nEven what she looked like?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:37:31):\r\n\r\nEverything.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:37:35):\r\n\r\nDid that scare you, Tony? It scared me.\r\n\r\nTony (00:37:36):\r\n\r\nI was like \u201cWhat's going on here?\u201d Seen this in movies, but I've never heard about this though.\r\n\r\nDave (00:37:45):\r\n\r\nSo did you own it then? Like \u201cOkay.\u201d\r\n\r\nTony (00:37:47):\r\n\r\nNo, I was like, still I was like, \u201cThat's a crazy dream. Yeah Derek. I had tacos last night.\u201d But she was spot on, and I was just like, \u201cWow, God is telling on me here.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:38:00):\r\n\r\nSeriously.\r\n\r\nTony (00:38:01):\r\n\r\nSeriously. And again, it was like she had certain things. This is the way I heard her, her hair color, the car color, kind of car it was, how long it had been happening. I was like, \u201cWow.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:38:13):\r\n\r\nDid that make it worse for you, Lymari?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:38:17):\r\n\r\nHe told me I was wrong. I laid down, but the Holy Spirit is like, \u201cThere's more.\u201d And so I just began to pray. I said, \u201cGod, whatever's done in darkness, bring it to the light. Bring it to the light.\u201d And so when everything finally came out, he was on, we were at a business meeting. He walks out to the parking lot and is on his phone. He doesn't know I'm behind him. I grabbed the phone and when I listen, I hear her voice. And she had left a voicemail, and she begins to tell everything. And he, he's trying to\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn (00:38:53):\r\n\r\nWhat does that mean?\u2014what she's telling.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:38:54):\r\n\r\nShe's telling him, \u201cI love you. Don't throw all this away. We've been doing this for this long. You said you cared for me.\u201d I mean, she's crying on the phone. And my heart is, when I say wrenched, I couldn't get her voice out of my head. And I looked at him, and I pointed at the sun and I said, \u201cTony, everything you do comes to the light; live in the light.\u201d And I walked away. \r\n\r\nWe had gotten into a really bad argument. There was a lot going on. Everything is finally out. Memorial Day, 2000. This was the day, a couple days after we're fighting like cats and dogs. I mean, revelations are coming out, things are coming out. I mean, just so much triggered. I am highly triggered, but I've had a moment where the Lord is telling me, \u201cSurrender, surrender,\u201d and I'm fighting God. We end up\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn (00:39:54):\r\n\r\nBecause He deserves your anger.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:39:56):\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:39:57):\r\n\r\nThat's probably what you're feeling. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nEverything in me\u2014 \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nI would want to beat him up. Not really, but kind of.\r\n\r\nTony (00:40:02):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:40:03):\r\n\r\nI did.\r\n\r\nDave (00:40:03):\r\n\r\nShe didn't say that. That's not the views of FamilyLife Today. Do not beat up your spouse. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nI really wouldn't, I would not have beaten him up, but I would've wanted to.\r\n\r\nDave (00:40:11):\r\n\r\nWe do not advocate that. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nWe do not condone that. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nNo condoning violence. \r\n\r\nDave (00:40:17):\r\n\r\nI do say grab his phone though and find out what's going on. Grab her phone. That's a good move.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:40:21):\r\n\r\nAnd he was raging behind me when I grabbed the phone because everything was coming out. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nIt's exposed. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nIt's exposed. And so I\u2014\r\n\r\nTony (00:40:31):\r\n\r\nFaster than I wanted it to.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:40:32):\r\n\r\nOh, yeah.\r\n\r\nTony (00:40:34):\r\n\r\nIn me, I knew that it was going to all come out, but it was like, let me control how much comes out.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:40:38):\r\n\r\nYeah, God\u2019s like, \u201cLet me take control now.\u201d\r\n\r\nTony (00:40:40):\r\n\r\nBecause the little bit that we were sharing\u2014the arguments were bringing out more. We get to the point of arguing so bad that it was \u201cOkay, well this happened too\u201d or \u201cThat was\u201d\u2014and so it would just add more and then it would fuel even more of the hurt. And so it was like there was no end to the arguments.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:40:58):\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:40:59):\r\n\r\nI peppered him with questions. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nOh, I can't imagine. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nWhich we don't recommend now.\r\n\r\nTony (00:41:03):\r\n\r\nWe don't.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:41:03):\r\n\r\nThe details. \r\n\r\nAnn (00:41:05):\r\n\r\nYou didn't need to know the details.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:41:05):\r\n\r\nI didn't need the details. The details only were destroying me and causing me to get to a place of insecurity. But we ended up, the Lord is trying to deal with me. I'm fighting God. We get to\u2014it's Memorial Day weekend and we get to a church picnic. My cousin comes to me and she's like, \u201cLymari, I have a word for you from the Lord.\u201d And I said, \u201cOkay.\u201d And she's like, \u201cHow are you?\u201d I'm like, \u201cI'm good.\u201d I am like fighting her. I'm skinny. I look\u2014my hair's a mess. And she's like, \u201cLet's go for a walk.\u201d She walks with me and she says, \u201cThis is not your battle. You cannot fight this the way you've been fighting this in human effort.\u201d She's like, \u201cSurrender your husband to the Lord.\u201d She reads me a scripture from the, I think it's the book of Romans where it says, \u201cVengeance is mine,\u201d says the Lord, \u201cI will repay.\u201d You do good.\r\n\r\n(00:41:58):\r\n\r\nAnd it's like heaping burning coals over your enemy's head. And though Tony wasn't my enemy, he sure felt like it. And so I was there and I surrendered him to God. I'm praying there. She left me there in the forest preserve. And I began to pray. And I said, \u201cGod, I surrender Tony to you. I can't do this anymore. I'm going crazy. I'm losing my mind.\u201d I said, \u201cBut God, if I were you, here's what I would do.\u201d This was my last opportunity. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nI betted a few prayers like that. \u201cIf I were you, God,\u201d here's a good idea for me. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\n\u201cI have a great idea, God.\u201d And I said, \u201cBut God, this is your sheep. And he's wandered from the flock. Break his leg so that he never wanders again and put him over your shoulder until he knows your sweet voice and never wanders from you again.\u201d\r\n\r\n(00:42:48):\r\n\r\n\u201cIn Jesus' name. Amen.\u201d And I go to Tony, I'm like, \u201cI surrender you to the Lord. I'm going to stop fighting with you.\u201d And he's like, \u201cGood, because you're driving me crazy.\u201d And then right there, we're on a basketball court, we're playing basketball and off to the side of the field, are people playing softball. And a friend of ours, a cousin of ours says, \u201cHey, I'm going to go get some food. Tony, cover for me.\u201d And I said, \u201cGo ahead. You could cover for him.\u201d I start going with my cousin to the food area. Before we even arrive, someone runs to me and they said, \u201cYour husband\u201d\u2014and I said, He broke his leg.\u201d And they said, \u201cHow did you know?\u201d And I said, \u201cPraise the Lord.\u201d So Tony doesn't like this part of the story. I come over to Tony. He is on the softball field. \r\n\r\nDave (00:43:32):\r\n\r\nSo you ran into a guy, right?\r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\n\u2014in the game and broke your leg.\r\n\r\nTony (00:43:36):\r\n\r\nYep. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nUnbelievable. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nAnd it was crazy because I'm thinking it was a slow kind of setting for a movie where it's a fly ball, it's coming over third base, and I'm in the outfield and I see it just staying up there. Like God paused it for me to run up to it. And as I'm running up to it, I'm thinking\u2014again, this is my community, which I just, now, I'm Tony the cheater. They're going through it. Tony got caught cheating. So I'm thinking, \u201cI'm going to save the day. The mighty just forgave me. The church thinks I'm a cheater. Now I'm going to be a hero. I'm going to catch this ball.\u201d And the minute I go to touch it I ran into somebody else. And when I wake back up\u2014well, I didn't wake up, but when I looked up, I saw my leg pointing in the other direction.\r\n\r\n(00:44:20):\r\n\r\nAnd I felt the pain. And I'm just screaming. And I heard her voice a little shortly afterward and really felt like, I don't know. I felt like this was an opportunity God had for to get out of this situation because I was having moments of truth but in the field of lies. I mean the last months of what I was doing and stuff. And so I felt like this was the first time I could even stop and have a pause on everything and be able to reestablish in this season my relationship with the Lord. I mean, again, not only was I drifted from Lymari; I was drifting from God.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:44:57):\r\n\r\nSo it\u2019s like stop the hiding. You can't run anymore.\r\n\r\nTony (00:44:59):\r\n\r\nExactly. And then dealing with the arguing, doing it in a natural sense, just trying to manage. I'm still hiding in all of this.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:45:06):\r\n\r\nProtecting yourself.\r\n\r\nTony (00:45:07):\r\n\r\nYeah, protecting. And so now it was like a surrender. I'm just like, now Tony's at a place. Lymari just surrendered. And shortly after, now I'm at a place of a season of surrender. I couldn't walk. It was months. I had to have another surgery after that as well. And she had to help me with everything. She had to help me go to the bathroom. She had to help me bathe, had to help me any way. Wherever they put me, that's where I stayed.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:45:31):\r\n\r\nGirl, I want you praying for me. You got this great connection with God. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nNot to break her legs. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\n\u201cGod, break his legs.\u201d \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nDon't pray for breaking legs for us. So you were broken and you were totally sorry.\r\n\r\nTony (00:45:44):\r\n\r\nI was broken. I was broken and broken.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:45:45):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nTony (00:45:46):\r\n\r\nBroken and broken.\r\n\r\nDave (00:45:47):\r\n\r\nI mean, did you finally say, \u201cOkay, here's everything. Not going to hide anything anymore. Here it is.\u201d\r\n\r\nTony (00:45:53):\r\n\r\nWell, when I got a little healthier. We started to share more as we started to talk through how things happened and what was going on and reestablishing some boundaries right away. Like the phone call stuff, bank accounts, all that kind of thing. Just making it all into one. In a natural sense, I mean, you would want to do that. If something tragic happens in your family, you're going to try to do anything you can to protect the marriage. But even through that process, we still had really bad fights. We would have moments where it felt like it's going to be good. And then moments where it was like, this is not going to work. And 18 months later is when we went to our first Weekend to Remember. It was in 2002.\r\n\r\nDave (00:46:41):\r\n\r\nOh, really? That was before or after I Still Do.\r\n\r\nTony (00:46:45):\r\n\r\nThat was the I Still Do event.\r\n\r\nDave (00:46:46):\r\n\r\nOh, it was, okay.\r\n\r\nTony (00:46:48):\r\n\r\nI'm just calling it that for reference. But that was the I Still Do event. I was still\u2014\r\n\r\nDave (00:46:52):\r\n\r\nYeah, people don't even know FamilyLife used to do stadium events\u2014\r\n\r\nTony (00:46:55):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:46:56):\r\n\r\nYes, that\u2019s what we went to.\r\n\r\nDave (00:46:56):\r\n\r\n\u2014called I Still Do. If you're like, I want to go to one of those, you can't. We don't do them anymore. But you can go to a Weekend to Remember which you guys speak at, we speak at. So you went to one.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:47:04):\r\n\r\nThe conference was very similar to the Weekend to Remember.\r\n\r\nDave (00:47:06):\r\n\r\nYes, marriage content. Probably the same content. Yeah.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:47:12):\r\n\r\nWell, in between that we had just what we call the messy middle\u2014triggers and reestablishing trust and him getting accountability. And we talk about this in the book, but\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn (00:47:24):\r\n\r\nI'm really glad because so many people have faced betrayal of some kind, and they don't always sit in the messy middle. We then hear the end story. We're like, \u201cOh.\u201d And so then if we get in the messy middle, we think, \u201cWait, this isn't how it goes. This isn't how it should be going.\u201d But you're saying no, this is part of it.\r\n\r\nDave (00:47:44):\r\n\r\nI mean, is this, you guys are, you do home renovations? \r\n\r\nLymari (00:47:48):\r\n\r\nYeah, we do.\r\n\r\nDave (00:47:48):\r\n\r\nYou're famous on TV from the show. What was the show called?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:47:52):\r\n\r\nBattle on the Mountain.\r\n\r\nDave (00:47:53):\r\n\r\nBattle on the Mountain. You should have won it.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:47:55):\r\n\r\nShould have won it. \r\n\r\nDave (00:47:57):\r\n\r\nBut you're renovating and each week\u2014we watched it\u2014you get to see who did best. But the messy middle is this. You're getting the studs up. The drywall is not done. The electricals go up. It's messy.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:48:06):\r\n\r\nYou can't see what it's going to be yet.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:48:07):\r\n\r\nExactly. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nBut it's starting to take shape.\r\n\r\nTony (00:48:09):\r\n\r\nYou do a great job with that, Dave.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:48:11):\r\n\r\nHe is pretty good. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nI love doing home stuff. I'm not good you, but I love it because I'm cheap. I don't want to pay some money.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:48:16):\r\n\r\nThat's exactly how we got into it, because we're cheap too.\r\n\r\nTony (00:48:20):\r\n\r\nI couldn't afford all the things Lymari really wanted, but it was\u2014so in the messy middle\u2014and Babe, you can share too on it. I just wanted to say, when we do a project, there's times where you may have taken on something that you didn't feel like you're that qualified to finish. And when everything is out, like you said, you're right in the middle. You don't know when it's going to end. It feels like you're adding on another thing and another thing and another layer and another material and all that. And in the messy middle, that's kind of how I felt. I felt like there were moments where I can see this is going to go this direction, but then there were a lot of days where it was like \u201cThis is hopeless. Let's just sell this and go start something new.\u201d Because it was really hard to see through it. And even leading up to that I Still Do conference we were already now at the place like, okay, this doesn't seem like we're getting traction in the right direction. And even with all the things that we saw happen with the lake, surrender to the Lord and all that. Well, because Christians get divorces too. We see people that are getting divorces too. So it's like, \u201cWell maybe then this is not going to work.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (00:49:25):\r\n\r\nSo you were actually thinking, \u201cWe may just end this thing.\u201d \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:49:28):\r\n\r\nAbsolutely. It's kind of like, it's just so hard.\r\n\r\nDave (00:49:30):\r\n\r\nEven after all that, it's still not working. So you know what?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:49:33):\r\n\r\nWe were fighting and we were in the process in the middle of the dust of sandpaper. When you're renovating a house where you're just kind of crawling over things. We were trying to, God was restoring things and renovating us from the inside out. And it was hard. And there were times where I was like, \u201cI don't want to keep doing this. Is it always going to be this...fighting and feeling like whenever we got into a fight, we were going 10 steps back.\u201d But I like to say that we don't see the progress that's happening in the process, but there's progress.\r\n\r\n(00:50:17):\r\n\r\nIn the messy middle when you see the sandpaper and you only see the drywall coming up, you forget that it's going to take some time to get it to the place of making it beautiful again. And God was really getting to some heart issues in us. For me, I had to love the man who betrayed me. There were times where there was one moment where I'm driving him. He\u2019s in the back of the car. He's with his little crutches and I'm triggered. I don't know what triggered me. I stopped the car, pull it over, and I said, get out the car. And he's like, what? I said, \u201cGet out of the car.\u201d I'm just triggered. And he's limping and he's getting out the car and I drive off. The kids are crying, I'm driving. I look at him through the rear-view mirror, and I hear the Holy Spirit say, \u201cGo back and get your husband.\u201d \r\n\r\nTony (00:51:15):\r\n\r\nThank God for the Holy Spirit. \r\n\r\nLymari (00:51:16):\r\n\r\nAnd I'm like, \u201cI don't want to. I don\u2019t want to forgive him God.\u201d And God is like, \u201cGo back.\u201d And I would go back. I would just hear the Holy Spirit just showing me again, \u201cDon't give up, keep fighting. Keep pressing in.\u201d And he was doing all he could do after the leg and everything to rebuild trust. He had accountability. He had men in his life. He was doing everything necessary. But there was still forgiving doesn\u2019t cause you to forget. And it would take years, years for me to go look back and say, \u201cOkay, the way that God did this, I can look back and say I'd be willing to do this again, God, because you brought us through and You are a great restorer.\u201d \r\n\r\nAnd so we like to say that even when you look at the Navarro house, you see the painted walls and the beautiful decor, but you can never really know that behind those walls, we were a fixer upper. We really were. And God really came in and restored the ruins of our marriage. And He painted us with grace. He sanded us down with just chiseling away at character flaws inside of us. And so God brought us to a process. There is, I don't know if there's any other questions, but that's kind of like\u2014\r\n\r\nDave (00:52:40):\r\n\r\nNo, I mean, I was just thinking, I can't remember the name of the show, but you know it on HGTV where it's either Flip the House or buy a new one. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nIt's Love It or List It. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nYeah. Love It or List It. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nWe watch that.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nI love that show. I love that show. And it is sort of what you're describing. I think there's couples listening and they're like, \u201cDo I want to love it?\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:52:56):\r\n\r\nI don't know. I want to leave it and go get the new thing.\r\n\r\nDave (00:52:59):\r\n\r\nThat's List It. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nYeah. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nIt's like, I'm done with him. I'm going to find a better man. I'm going to find a better woman. And you were there thinking, \u201cThis man has really hurt me.\u201d And she hurt you too. I think couples are right there, and they don't know what to do. And you're saying don't list it.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:53:17):\r\n\r\nDon't list it.\r\n\r\nDave (00:53:18):\r\n\r\nLove it.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:53:18):\r\n\r\nAs I'm listening to you too, you guys, and I think this is why it's good to tell your story or write your story or share your story because you have these intersections where God just shows up big time, really big, kind of miraculous at times.\r\n\r\nDave (00:53:33):\r\n\r\nAnd yours are pretty bigger than most people.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:53:35):\r\n\r\nBut\r\n\r\nDave (00:53:36):\r\n\r\n\u201cLord, break his leg.\u201d Wow.\r\n\r\n(00:53:41):\r\n\r\nI have a dream. She looks like this. She drives this car. What in the world.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:53:43):\r\n\r\nTony, I'd be so afraid if I were you, honestly. But then you're raising kids and you're working and you're trying to make money. So that is life. God's intersecting us all the time, but we're still in the midst of the mess. And so for you guys to not give up, because it'd just be so easy, even though God kept showing up.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:54:08):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:54:08):\r\n\r\nIt would've been easy just to be like, \u201cIt's just too hard.\u201d\r\n\r\nLymari (00:54:12):\r\n\r\nI think about this idea of, we had history.\r\n\r\nTony (00:54:15):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:54:15):\r\n\r\nWe had children.\r\n\r\n(00:54:16):\r\n\r\nI said, sometimes we could be so blinded with our pain. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nAnd emotions. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nAnd the emotions that we're like; I want to trade this in for a new car. But not realizing that we need a telescopic vision that sees more than what's in front of us. And there's something about, there's a scripture, Psalm 73, where the psalmist is looking at everything around him. And he said nothing made sense until he got into the sanctuary\u2014\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\n\u2014sanctuary of God, yep.\r\n\r\n\u2014of God. And he was able to have a perspective. And I think God continued to give us sanctuary of God moments where we can see this is bigger than you guys. There's something here that the enemy is after and so we were able to fight. There's one point in our story where Tony had gone through a deep depression. He's recovering and he tried taking his life. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nTony, was that after you broke your leg?\r\n\r\nTony (00:55:11):\r\n\r\nYeah, that was me being at home, isolated.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:55:13):\r\n\r\nTake us there.\r\n\r\nTony (00:55:16):\r\n\r\nMind was running rampant with all types of stuff. I started taking a lot more of what I should with the pain medicine and all that and just feeling useless, feeling hopeless, feeling at the place again where the value of Tony is gone. It's depleted. Better off that I'm not here. But Lymari really, even in that moment when I tried taking my life, she said something. I told her, \u201cI feel like a Judas. I just betrayed everyone, betrayed the Lord.\u201d She's like, \u201cNo, you're Peter and God's not done with you. He's going to build on you.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:55:50):\r\n\r\nLamari, take us back to when Tony's in depression, he becomes suicidal. What was going on in your head with that? Cause it's when our spouse is really struggling with depression or any kind of suicidal ideation, that\u2019s I think we don't know what to do and we feel helpless.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:56:09):\r\n\r\nI think for me, because I was still healing from my heartbreak. I didn't see he had slipped into a depression. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nYou couldn't see it. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nI couldn't see it until I found him on that bathroom floor and when I saw him there. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nSo you walked in the bathroom? \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nI walked in. He had a noose. He had blacked out and had just come to, and I saw him there and I said, \u201cWhat are you doing?\u201d And he's crying and he says, \u201cI'm Judas.\u201d And God had given me a picture early on in our marriage, him speaking to a stadium sized room of the goodness of God. So it's almost like God gave me words and I said, \u201cYou're not Judas, you're Peter and Peter built God's church,\u201d and he came back and I looked at Tony. I could have knocked him down with my words. I could have destroyed the man that I love. But for the first time I thought, \u201cI love this man. And as much as I can't stand him, I love him. And the enemy's a bully and he's trying to kill him. He's trying to destroy him.\u201d And I started to take my complaints to the Lord and stop taking them to Tony.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:57:19):\r\n\r\nThat's so good.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:57:20):\r\n\r\nAnd a lot of prayer, a lot of journaling, a lot of writing out what I wanted God to do in my marriage. And I saw God's hand and the things that\u2014Tony was already riddled with guilt. I was just reminding him of the shame he felt.\r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nYou're heaping it on. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nI was just heaping it on. And that moment, seeing him there, almost losing him, God shifted me and he said, \u201cNo, we're not doing this anymore. You're going to love him. You're going to be who I've called you to be and I need you to pray because there's more power in prayer than in your nagging and reminders.\u201d\r\n\r\nTony (00:57:57):\r\n\r\nGod was still showing us no to keep going and we wanted to make it work. I don't think we had the right plan for it to work. And the big picture, like Lymari shares a lot about having this telescopic and microscopic vision, but we didn't have the telescopic one. We didn't know how\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn (00:58:18):\r\n\r\nYou didn\u2019t have that lens. \r\n\r\nTony (00:58:19):\r\n\r\n\u2014are we going to get there? How are we going to get that lens? So when we were at the first, I keep calling it the WTR, but it\u2019s the I Still Do conference. That's when we saw the bigger picture. Like wow, there's legacy involved. The kids are involved. The reason why Dad you make these sacrifices is for this the wife, how we have different roles. We still have the same value. I mean how we surrender to the Lord, right. We submit to Him, wife and I mean all this, it was just, it was blowing my mind. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nWe felt like that too. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nI've never heard this stuff.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:58:53):\r\n\r\nWhat? This is the purpose. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nAnd we were growing individually. She was growing in her relationship with God. I started growing in my relationship with Lord, but we still couldn't figure out how to grow together, how to make this grow together. And so leaving there is where I really just jumped on board and with that and I'm like, \u201cLord, I am all in, man. I'm all in for this.\u201d But it really though that changed, that shifted something, that gave me purpose. It gave me clarity. And from there, I think it's when we really started to see strides of consistency that we started having more wins than losses. And here that's who we are today.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:59:32):\r\n\r\nGuys, talk about a spiritual battle. Tony, God saved your life.\r\n\r\nDave (00:59:38):\r\n\r\nAnd even talk about the power of the tongue.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:59:41):\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nDave (00:59:41):\r\n\r\nLife and death\u2014\r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\n\u2014is in the tongue.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\n\u2014is in power of tongue. Proverbs 18:21, he's here because you said, \u201cYou're Peter.\u201d Wives, are you hearing this? And it goes both ways. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nHusbands too.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nHusbands. Either way, it's like, man, you have the ability to speak life into your man and your woman.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:59:56):\r\n\r\nAnd to see the greatness in that moment. God gave you a future look. And he had already done that giving you that vision of him speaking to so many people. And man, when we're spending time with God, we get those. We get those pictures of our spouse. Otherwise we have our own picture of how our spouse has failed. And that's why I think it's so critical that we're with God. We're saying, \u201cGod, show me the greatness in my spouse. Show me the future for my spouse.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (01:00:26):\r\n\r\nHow about\u2014your kids know this story.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:00:28):\r\n\r\nThey know the story. What's cool is we'll share our story. And our kids are our biggest advocates. They're like, \u201cYou know what? You guys got to talk to my mom and dad. You got to hear their story.\u201d And they'll send other couples to us. For our kids, we've allowed our kids\u2014and of course age appropriately\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn (01:00:49):\r\n\r\nHow old are your kids now?\r\n\r\nLymari (01:00:50):\r\n\r\nSo now we have, some of them are in the thirties. We have\u2014\r\n\r\nTony (01:00:56):\r\n\r\nThe rest are in their twenties.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:00:57):\r\n\r\n\u2014a 20-year-old and our youngest is 22. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nSo how many kids? \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nWe have five adult kids, two grandbabies, married 28 years.\r\n\r\n(01:01:06):\r\n\r\nAnd they love to hear our story. And what it is, is you allow them to peek into the hand of God. The Bible in Deuteronomy says tell it to your children, pass it down, put it on your doorpost, you put it on your gates. And I think we've been able to share with our kids that God has brought us from some stuff. And so now to see our kids walking with the Lord, they love the Lord. They serve in different capacities, but it's not because we hid things from them. We didn't hide our junk. We told them we were a mess. We needed Jesus. And so they know that we really are a miracle, a miracle.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:01:54):\r\n\r\nYou've changed your entire legacy, thinking about these two young kids in Chicago.\r\n\r\nDave (01:02:00):\r\n\r\nAnd the legacy that was handed to you ended. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nYeah. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nThe darkness stopped.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:02:05):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (01:02:06):\r\n\r\nYou said\u2014I've been crying this whole speaking interview. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nMe too!\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nAnother question would be how'd you end up\u2014now you're speaking for FamilyLife. How'd that happen?\r\n\r\nTony (01:02:18):\r\n\r\nWell, so at the church that we were serving at in Chicago, our pastors were part of the team, the speaking team and they called us. They said, \u201cHey, we put your names in for referral, and you probably will be expecting a call soon or email.\u201d So we did. We got a call and we said, \u201cYes, absolutely.\u201d But we were crying because we were like, I don't know if every speaker does that, but for us, we were crying because full circle, we were still believing like \u201cGod, you would have us now\u201d\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\n\u2014with our mess. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\n\u2014\"start to share.\u201d \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nWe are not qualified. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nAnd I'm not saying that anybody in the speaker team even feels that way because there's great people and they're just humble about their flaws and what God has done in their life. But for us it was just the meaning of it. And so we said yes. And then it took about the two-year part, it was two years for the whole, I guess, I don\u2019t know what the trial period is, but the first year\u2014\r\n\r\nLymari (01:03:17):\r\n\r\n\u2014training.\r\n\r\nDave (01:03:17):\r\n\r\nThere was no training when we joined the team.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:03:20):\r\n\r\nI heard you guys got cassettes or something.\r\n\r\nDave (01:03:22):\r\n\r\nWe did! Literally cassettes. There was no video. You put it in, you push the button, you rewind. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nIt was 1989.\r\n\r\nTony (01:03:31):\r\n\r\nWow.\r\n\r\nDave (01:03:32):\r\n\r\nYeah, we don't even want to know how old you were. Okay.\r\n\r\nTony (01:03:34):\r\n\r\nThere was a lot of material in tapes back then though. But yeah, we said yes and praise God, they kept us on the team. But the first year we got a chance to see Bob Lepine and Dennis Rainey and Barbara, all the people, Crawford, Loritts, all these people that kind of impacted us.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:03:53):\r\n\r\nImpacted our lives.\r\n\r\nTony (01:03:54):\r\n\r\nAnd don't realize, I mean I know they get responses from people, but I am hanging on to the words you're saying. You know what I mean? I'm listening and I'm doing the things that you're saying to do. And so it was great. I got a chance to share some of that with Bob before he left the team. But again, it's been just a full circle moment from the Lord. But from the time that we started, we went to our first love\u2014I Still Do\u2014again, we were kind of just slopping it up. We wanted to just help out every couple. We saw the value of marriages and the lack of resources for marriages. And so we were just doing that. And so even at our church that we were part of just helping out the pastor there, which is great friends of ours as well and they're on the speaker team. Just like, \u201cWe'll work with anybody you need us to work with. We'll help them out.\u201d \r\n\r\nAnd we're still doing that today. I mean we're still at the local church. We believe that that's where it really works out and we love the local church. We're always pushing people towards that. You said something earlier Ann. We were talking about how when I drifted, I was drifting away was even in the daily disciplines. And there's people that do that and still go into sin. But for me it's not just preventative, it's the fact that if I'm going to life, I need life.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:05:17):\r\n\r\nMe too.\r\n\r\nTony (01:05:18):\r\n\r\nSo reading from the word of life, that's living. It's like I need it because I know Tony. I know where my mind goes. I know where my heart goes, I know all that and I need this. If I don't have this, I can't live. I can't survive. And so when it becomes your everyday need for food, you have to do it. And so it's been a great journey because we both get a chance to talk to each other daily about, what God is showing you, what's fresh, how's the word going? And that's been a big part of our marriage as well to process those types of talks. But being able to share our story and being able to walk with couples and being able to see couples rip up the papers of divorce on these weekends or to just feel like they're closer than they were when they came in on Friday, I think is just a testimony of the vision and the power of God in that.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:06:08):\r\n\r\nAnd it's interesting because when we got the phone call to be part of the FamilyLife speaker team, we were sitting in our office where we meet with couples. We like to say we've been healed and so healed people can be healers. And so we've been able to walk with couples, see couples go from one place to the next to see them thriving. And when we got that call, we turn around and on our bookshelf is a small covenant where we signed it, 2002 Weekend to Remember at the I Still Do. And we thought, \u201cWow, God, look at this full circle moment.\u201d \r\n\r\nAnd then we had another moment when we got to the hotel, when we were about to speak and share on the sexual intimacy talk during our training. And we just got to the bedside, and we got on our knees and we said, \u201cGod, you're redeeming the very area where the enemy almost destroyed us. And now we're going out to the ballroom to tell people that there's hope.\u201d And we just stood at that bedside and we said, \u201cWhat a holy moment of seeing God redeem.\u201d And so we were able to go out there and share. And so many couples are impacted. Just the idea that you guys were there and you're here now, that we're a picture, if God can do it for us, He can do it for them.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:07:38):\r\n\r\nAbsolutely.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:07:39):\r\n\r\nAnd we can see how God is getting the full glory out of this. People can see what He has done. And so that's really what we are. We're a display of His splendor, of His grace, of what He can do when you just say, \u201cGod, I need you.\u201d \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nThat's so good.\r\n\r\nDave (01:08:00):\r\n\r\nAnd we say this at every Weekend to Remember; that's God's dream for every marriage. From isolation to oneness but that's not where it ends. To impact, God wants to do something in us, but then\u2014 \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\n\u2014through us.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\n\u2014through us. And I mean I think so often\u2014I've been a pastor for 40 some years\u2014so often people, even at church, when you share your sins and struggles in front of them, they still think you're perfect because you\u2019re the pastor.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:08:24):\r\n\r\n\u2014whoever's on stage.\r\n\r\nDave (01:08:25):\r\n\r\nAnd so they're almost afraid when they come to you to really say what the darkness is in their life that they're struggling with. I don't think that's true of you guys. When they hear your story, it opens the door for people to go, \u201cI can be honest with them. They've been in the dark, and they are now living a different life.\u201d So thank you. My goodness, what a beautiful story.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:08:48):\r\n\r\nAnd you guys it's so evident of the enemy's pursuit of you and his destruction for your marriage. I don't think most of us are aware that there is an enemy and it's not your spouse and he wants to kill, steal and destroy your marriage, your legacy, your children each other. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nAnd he almost did.\r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nYour very life, your very life. And I look at you and think, no wonder the battle was so fierce over your lives. Do you see that? How it was like the enemy is hounding you your entire lives? Couples that feel like, \u201cOh man, we're in that right now. We\u2019re so in the middle of it and we don't know what to do. How do we break free from that?\u201d\r\n\r\nLymari (01:09:35):\r\n\r\nYeah, I'll let you.\r\n\r\nTony (01:09:39):\r\n\r\nI think of a word that Lymari shares\u2014we talk about this with couples is let's start with a fresh surrender. Because what happens is we start to take on things. I think we're gatherers by nature. I think we just gather all kinds of stuff, information, stuff we see, stuff we buy, we\u2019re just gatherers by nature. And I feel like there's a fresh surrender of acknowledging where you're at in your despair, acknowledging who God is and what He can do, and then submitting onto God's plan and His power. Because there's sometimes a place where for me still, it's like I can get into these stretches of my own strength.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:10:19):\r\n\r\nWe all can.\r\n\r\nTony (01:10:20):\r\n\r\nWe all can do that, right? And it's like repenting of that and saying, \u201cLord, I've been doing this on my own.\u201d\r\n\r\n(01:10:26):\r\n\r\n\u201cAnd you are King of Kings,\u201d right? \u201cI'm following. You're leading right. Holy Spirit, I need your power to help me live this out.\u201d And so I think that's a great way to start with a fresh surrender, fresh dedication back to the Lord and letting Him, what's the next step? Right. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nThat's good.\r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nBecause I think with couples that are right in it too, they're looking too far in both directions and He's a lamp unto your feet. And so what's the next step today that I can do, that I can do, not my spouse can do, but that I can do to walk in obedience with you and to walk in the direction that's going to help our oneness versus keep pulling us in isolation. Because you can't control our spouse. We can't control.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:11:11):\r\n\r\nWe've all tried; it doesn\u2019t work.\r\n\r\nTony (01:11:12):\r\n\r\nYeah, we tried. But it's really just, again, a fresh surrender for you and a fresh surrender for your spouse and just doing what God tells you to do or has for you to do that day because it does take steps of obedience that you can see. I just walked three miles, but man, getting on that treadmill, I feel like I've been walking down here for hours and I'm only getting one mile, but it's really the next step, next step of obedience to keep moving in that direction that's helped me and still to this day where I'm looking at too many things, I'm like, what's my next step? What do I need to do today to help me?\r\n\r\nAnn (01:11:47):\r\n\r\nI do that every morning when I wake up. \u201cGod, I re-surrender today. Give me your eyes, your ears, your mouth, your tongue.\u201d And that has to become a habit or else we just live according to our own desires and our flesh. What would you say about that, Lymari?\r\n\r\nLymari (01:12:02):\r\n\r\nI think it is true. I think the God of the universe, He's in control of all things and He can do anything He wants, but He's a God of relationship.\r\n\r\n(01:12:14):\r\n\r\nAnd so He walks with us in the valley, He walks us through the valley, but He wants you to know Him coming out of it. And so I feel like pain and the trials that we have gone through has been God's invitation to know Him more. And I think if you're in the middle of your pain, look up to God and say, \u201cGod, I need you to take over. I can't do this alone, and I can't do it on my own strength.\u201d Sometimes He watches us trying and striving and fighting and then He's like, \u201cOkay, just ask me. Just invite me in. Just tag team. Come on, tag me in.\u201d And we're fighting Him. And the minute we're like, \u201cOkay, God, I can't do this anymore. I need you,\u201d He steps in and He does what we cannot do in human effort. And God can do so much through our surrender, more than He can with our striving. And so what I've seen is surrender and trust the Lord. He's the God that can be trusted. And one thing we can say is that you're going to look back one day and you're going to see God's fingerprints all over your life. It's usually He moves the best when our fingerprints are not in it.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:13:33):\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:13:34):\r\n\r\nI've just seen God do exceedingly more than we could expect from Him, but He is a God that wants to be invited into it. And then don't do it alone. We needed a community. We needed people who were in our corner fighting for us, who were praying for us, friends that were telling me, \u201cLymari, go back in the fight and keep on fighting for your marriage.\u201d He needed men that told him, \u201cGo back in there and love her and don't give up.\u201d And so we need community. If you just think about who are the circle of people surrounding your marriage, like a force field, right? They can surround you through prayer, through just examples. If you don't have that, get that because you need that. So yeah. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nThat's good.\r\n\r\nDave (01:14:26):\r\n\r\nYeah, I always say you need the power of God, you need the people of God.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:14:30):\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nDave (01:14:31):\r\n\r\nYou need both. I mean, in some ways all I need is the power of God. Yeah, that is true. But he's created us in such a way. You need a community. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nAbsolutely. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nThey need to be surrounded. And man, I just want to say this. If you've lost hope, He's the God of resurrection. He resurrected this marriage; He can resurrect yours. And I know you're thinking \u201cIf my husband would just, or my wife,\u201d it's not about them. It's about you. And I would say get their book Ruin to Renewal. It's on our website, FamilyLifeToday.com; in the show notes, click it there. Here's what I'd say, \u201cGet it for you, but get 10 more.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (01:15:06):\r\n\r\nOh yeah.\r\n\r\nDave (01:15:07):\r\n\r\nBecause somebody that has lost hope, this book will help them find hope in Jesus.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:15:11):\r\n\r\nI've never done this before, but let's start this way. Tony, I want you to turn just to Lymari and tell her what you love about her.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:15:23):\r\n\r\nYou're trying to make us cry, Ann.\r\n\r\nTony (01:15:24):\r\n\r\nThere's so many things though. There's so many things. I don't want to say it in the spiritual answer, but the one thing that I could say I really love, respect and encouraged by is your fear of God is how much of a relationship that you have with Him. That you're so obedient to what He has for you on a daily basis. You say things to me out of just respect and love, but I know that you fear him more than anything, more than me, and you don't fear me at all. But it's just the fact that you just have that relationship component that I think is missing in a lot. But I love that about you. Can I say more things?\r\n\r\nAnn (01:16:11):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nTony (01:16:11):\r\n\r\nI love how you do have an eye for beautiful things. I love your laugh. I love the fact that you change the room when you laugh. I love how intentional you are; that when we are together, the parts that I miss that you always get to point those out, not at me, but address those things when we're talking to somebody or just in the moment. I love how you still have a tag on the heart of our kids and that when I'm not realizing what's going on, you're like, no, there's something else happening. And that I love the fact that our kids like you. They love you. Their kids love to talk to you. And I'm grateful that you've established our relationship with them as well. And I thank you that you are patient with me, and you allow me to figure things out and fail at the same time. And I thank you for that, that I have a safe place to be myself, to be transparent with you and to be encouraged by you. I love you.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:17:08):\r\n\r\nSo good. Okay, Lymari.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nHe just filled up my love tank.\r\n\r\nTony (01:17:16):\r\n\r\nIt's not much.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:17:18):\r\n\r\nNo, there's a lot. I love that you're tender to the Lord, that you hear from him, that you pray with me, that you call me now and you pray in the morning, that you ask me, \u201cWhat is God showing you?\u201d I love that you're a wonderful, wonderful dad and that you're great grandpa. And I just think about our babies, our little ones running through the house and how that could have been destroyed. I love that you're a chain breaker; that you fought to break chains. I love that you're a builder. I love what you said before is that you were a destroyer, but now you're a builder. That you build legacy, that you build homes, that you build tables, that you build anything that you put your heart to. And I love that you're a hard worker. I love that you believe in me and that you're always telling me to chase my dreams. And I love that you serve us like Christ served the church and loved the church. And so I love you.\r\n\r\nTony (01:18:34):\r\n\r\nThank you. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nI don't know the last time you as a listener have done that to your spouse, but it's a big deal because we take for granted sometimes one another, and we see the greatness, and we don't always say it. So just to see you guys do that and see where God's taken you from the very beginning of your story is miraculous. What a gift you've been to us. Thank you.\r\n\r\nDave (01:18:57):\r\n\r\nYeah, thank you. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nThank you, guys.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:18:59):\r\n\r\nThank you, guys.\r\n\r\nTony (01:19:00):\r\n\r\nIt\u2019s been a pleasure and an honor.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:19:01):\r\n\r\nLot of tears. I don't think I've cried so much in a long time.\r\n\r\nTony (01:19:05):\r\n\r\nThere were a lot of tears.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:19:07):\r\n\r\nIt was so good. \r\n\r\nHey, thanks for watching and if you liked this episode\u2014 \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nYou better like it. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\n\u2014just hit that like button.\r\n\r\nDave (01:19:14):\r\n\r\nAnd we'd like you to subscribe. So all you got to do is go down and hit the subscribe\u2014I can't say the word subscribe. Hit the subscribe button. I don't think I can say this word. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nLike and subscribe. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nLook at that. You say it so easy. Subscribe. There it goes.\r\n\r\nFamilyLife Today is a donor-supported production of FamilyLife\u00ae, a Cru\u00ae Ministry. \r\n\r\nHelping you pursue the relationships that matter most.\r\n\r\nIf you\u2019ve benefited from the FamilyLife Today transcripts, would you consider donating today to help defray the costs of producing them and making them available online?\r\n\r\nCopyright \u00a9 2025 FamilyLife. All rights reserved.\r\n\r\nwww.FamilyLife.com\n"],"_uag_page_assets":["a:9:{s:3:\"css\";s:99201:\".wp-block-uagb-container{display:flex;position:relative;box-sizing:border-box;transition-property:box-shadow;transition-duration:0.2s;transition-timing-function:ease}.wp-block-uagb-container .spectra-container-link-overlay{bottom:0;left:0;position:absolute;right:0;top:0;z-index:10}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container{margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto}.wp-block-uagb-container.alignfull.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{display:flex;position:relative;box-sizing:border-box;margin-left:auto !important;margin-right:auto !important}.wp-block-uagb-container .wp-block-uagb-blockquote,.wp-block-uagb-container .wp-block-spectra-pro-login,.wp-block-uagb-container .wp-block-spectra-pro-register{margin:unset}.wp-block-uagb-container .uagb-container__video-wrap{height:100%;width:100%;top:0;left:0;position:absolute;overflow:hidden;-webkit-transition:opacity 1s;-o-transition:opacity 1s;transition:opacity 1s}.wp-block-uagb-container .uagb-container__video-wrap video{max-width:100%;width:100%;height:100%;margin:0;line-height:1;border:none;display:inline-block;vertical-align:baseline;-o-object-fit:cover;object-fit:cover;background-size:cover}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-layout-grid{display:grid;width:100%}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-layout-grid>.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{display:inherit;width:inherit}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-layout-grid>.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap>.wp-block-uagb-container{max-width:unset !important;width:unset !important}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-layout-grid>.wp-block-uagb-container{max-width:unset !important;width:unset !important}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-layout-grid.uagb-is-root-container{margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-layout-grid.uagb-is-root-container>.wp-block-uagb-container{max-width:unset !important;width:unset !important}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-layout-grid.alignwide.uagb-is-root-container{margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-layout-grid.alignfull.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{display:inherit;position:relative;box-sizing:border-box;margin-left:auto !important;margin-right:auto !important}body .wp-block-uagb-container>.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap>*:not(.wp-block-uagb-container):not(.wp-block-uagb-column):not(.wp-block-uagb-container):not(.wp-block-uagb-section):not(.uagb-container__shape):not(.uagb-container__video-wrap):not(.wp-block-spectra-pro-register):not(.wp-block-spectra-pro-login):not(.uagb-slider-container):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-info-box),body .wp-block-uagb-container>.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap,body .wp-block-uagb-container>*:not(.wp-block-uagb-container):not(.wp-block-uagb-column):not(.wp-block-uagb-container):not(.wp-block-uagb-section):not(.uagb-container__shape):not(.uagb-container__video-wrap):not(.wp-block-spectra-pro-register):not(.wp-block-spectra-pro-login):not(.uagb-slider-container):not(.spectra-container-link-overlay):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-lottie):not(.uagb-faq__outer-wrap){min-width:unset !important;width:100%;position:relative}body .ast-container .wp-block-uagb-container>.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap>.wp-block-uagb-container>ul,body .ast-container .wp-block-uagb-container>.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap>.wp-block-uagb-container ol,body .ast-container .wp-block-uagb-container>.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap>ul,body .ast-container .wp-block-uagb-container>.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap ol{max-width:-webkit-fill-available;margin-block-start:0;margin-block-end:0;margin-left:20px}.ast-plain-container .editor-styles-wrapper .block-editor-block-list__layout.is-root-container .uagb-is-root-container.wp-block-uagb-container.alignwide{margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto}.uagb-container__shape{overflow:hidden;position:absolute;left:0;width:100%;line-height:0;direction:ltr}.uagb-container__shape-top{top:-3px}.uagb-container__shape-bottom{bottom:-3px}.uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__invert.uagb-container__shape-bottom,.uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__invert.uagb-container__shape-top{-webkit-transform:rotate(180deg);-ms-transform:rotate(180deg);transform:rotate(180deg)}.uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-flip svg{transform:translateX(-50%) rotateY(180deg)}.uagb-container__shape svg{display:block;width:-webkit-calc(100% + 1.3px);width:calc(100% + 1.3px);position:relative;left:50%;-webkit-transform:translateX(-50%);-ms-transform:translateX(-50%);transform:translateX(-50%)}.uagb-container__shape .uagb-container__shape-fill{-webkit-transform-origin:center;-ms-transform-origin:center;transform-origin:center;-webkit-transform:rotateY(0deg);transform:rotateY(0deg)}.uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-above-content{z-index:9;pointer-events:none}.nv-single-page-wrap .nv-content-wrap.entry-content .wp-block-uagb-container.alignfull{margin-left:calc(50% - 50vw);margin-right:calc(50% - 50vw)}@media only screen and (max-width: 767px){.wp-block-uagb-container .wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading{width:-webkit-fill-available}}.wp-block-uagb-image--align-none{justify-content:center}\n.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-e11dbe9f .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-e11dbe9f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-e11dbe9f .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-e11dbe9f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-e11dbe9f .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-e11dbe9f{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-e11dbe9f > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-e11dbe9f{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;padding-top: 3em;padding-bottom: 3em;padding-left: 1.5em;padding-right: 1.5em;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background-color: #f8f8f8;;}@media only screen and (max-width: 976px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-e11dbe9f{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-e11dbe9f > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-e11dbe9f{padding-top: 3px;padding-bottom: 3px;padding-left: 1.5px;padding-right: 1.5px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #f8f8f8;;}}@media only screen and (max-width: 767px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-e11dbe9f{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-e11dbe9f > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-e11dbe9f{padding-top: 3px;padding-bottom: 3px;padding-left: 1.5px;padding-right: 1.5px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #f8f8f8;;}}.uag-blocks-common-selector{z-index:var(--z-index-desktop) !important}@media (max-width: 976px){.uag-blocks-common-selector{z-index:var(--z-index-tablet) !important}}@media (max-width: 767px){.uag-blocks-common-selector{z-index:var(--z-index-mobile) !important}}\n.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading h1,.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading h2,.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading h3,.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading h4,.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading h5,.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading h6,.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading p,.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading div{word-break:break-word}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-heading-text{margin:0}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-desc-text{margin:0}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-separator{font-size:0;border-top-style:solid;display:inline-block;margin:0 0 10px 0}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight{color:#f78a0c;border:0;transition:all 0.3s ease}.uag-highlight-toolbar{border-left:0;border-top:0;border-bottom:0;border-radius:0;border-right-color:#1e1e1e}.uag-highlight-toolbar .components-button{border-radius:0;outline:none}.uag-highlight-toolbar .components-button.is-primary{color:#fff}\n.wp-block-uagb-separator{text-align:center;box-sizing:border-box;line-height:0}.wp-block-uagb-separator__inner{display:inline-block}.wp-block-uagb-separator:not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--text):not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--icon) .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner{border-top-style:solid;-webkit-mask:var(--my-background-image);-webkit-mask-size:38px 100%;-webkit-mask-repeat:repeat-x}.wp-block-uagb-separator--text .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner,.wp-block-uagb-separator--icon .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner{display:flex;justify-content:center;align-items:center;margin:0 auto}.wp-block-uagb-separator--text .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner::before,.wp-block-uagb-separator--icon .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner::before{display:block;content:\"\";border-bottom:0;flex-grow:1;border-top-color:#333;border-top-style:solid;-webkit-mask:var(--my-background-image);-webkit-mask-size:38px 100%;-webkit-mask-repeat:repeat-x}.wp-block-uagb-separator--text .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner::after,.wp-block-uagb-separator--icon .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner::after{display:block;content:\"\";border-bottom:0;flex-grow:1;border-top-color:#333;border-top-style:solid;-webkit-mask:var(--my-background-image);-webkit-mask-size:38px 100%;-webkit-mask-repeat:repeat-x}.wp-block-uagb-separator--icon .wp-block-uagb-separator-element svg{font-size:30px;color:#333;fill:#333;width:30px;height:30px;line-height:30px;max-width:none}.wp-block-uagb-separator--text .wp-block-uagb-separator-element .uagb-html-tag{word-break:initial;margin:0}\n.uagb-icon-list__wrap{display:flex;align-items:flex-start;justify-content:flex-start}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{padding:0;transition:all 0.2s;display:inline-flex;color:#3a3a3a;align-items:center;text-decoration:none;box-shadow:none}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child span.uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{display:block;align-items:center}.uagb-icon-list__source-wrap svg{display:block}.uagb-icon-list__source-image{width:40px}.uagb-icon-list__outer-wrap .uagb-icon-list__content-wrap{color:#3a3a3a;display:flex;align-items:center}\n.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{position:relative}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child>a{position:absolute;top:0;left:0;width:100%;height:100%}img.uagb-icon-list__source-image{max-width:unset}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__label{word-break:break-word}\n.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-85559158 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-85559158 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-85559158 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-85559158 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-85559158 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-85559158{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-85559158 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 960px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-85559158{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;padding-top: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 10px;padding-right: 10px;margin-top: 60px !important;margin-bottom: 60px !important;margin-left: 0px;margin-right: 0px;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ea16301a{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-ea16301a > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a.uagb-layout-grid > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{row-gap: 40px;column-gap: 40px;grid-template-columns: minmax( 1px, 1fr)  minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: start;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;padding-top: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;padding-right: 0px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a.wp-block-uagb-container > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not( .spectra-container-link-overlay ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-lottie):not(.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap){width: auto !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a.wp-block-uagb-container > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox){width: auto !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-26ccc5c9 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-26ccc5c9 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-26ccc5c9 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-26ccc5c9 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-26ccc5c9 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-26ccc5c9{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-26ccc5c9 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: flex-start;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-26ccc5c9{min-height: 710px;box-shadow: 3px 7px 7px -1px rgba(0,0,0,0.15) ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background-color: #ffffff;;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: flex-start;flex-wrap: nowrap;align-self: start;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-84f50fa3 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-84f50fa3 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-84f50fa3 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-84f50fa3 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-84f50fa3 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;background: url(https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/07\/Grow-with-your-family_545x307.jpg) 50% 50%;;background-size: cover;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-84f50fa3{max-width: 100vw;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-84f50fa3 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-84f50fa3{min-height: 250px;box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background-repeat: no-repeat;background-position: 50% 50%;background-size: cover;background-attachment: scroll;background-image: url(https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2025\/03\/Grow-with-your-family_545x307.webp);background-clip: padding-box;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-271bf38d .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-271bf38d .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-271bf38d .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-271bf38d .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-271bf38d .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-271bf38d{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-271bf38d > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;row-gap: 40px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-271bf38d{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 40px;padding-left: 40px;padding-right: 40px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;row-gap: 40px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ab8d0982{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-ab8d0982 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.uagb-layout-grid{row-gap: 8px;column-gap: 8px;grid-template-columns: auto  minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: stretch;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.wp-block-uagb-container > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not( .spectra-container-link-overlay ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-lottie):not(.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap){width: auto !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.wp-block-uagb-container > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox){width: auto !important;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-heading-text{color: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-desc-text{margin-bottom: 15px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight{font-style: normal;font-weight: Default;background: #007cba;color: #fff;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::-moz-selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3 .uagb-heading-text{font-weight: 300;font-size: 16px;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator{text-align: left;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator--text .wp-block-uagb-separator-element .uagb-html-tag{font-style: normal;line-height: 1em;}.uagb-block-f9d54988 .uagb-separator-spacing-wrapper{padding-top: 4px;padding-bottom: 4px;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator:not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--text):not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--icon) .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner{-webkit-mask-size: 5px 100%;border-top-width: 3px;width: 100%;border-top-color: #eabe5e;border-top-style: solid;margin-top: 5px;margin-bottom: 5px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-3208cc36.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-heading-text{color: #006a5a;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-3208cc36.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-desc-text{margin-bottom: 15px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-3208cc36.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight{font-style: normal;font-weight: Default;background: #007cba;color: #fff;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-3208cc36.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::-moz-selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-3208cc36.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-3208cc36 .uagb-heading-text{font-weight: 400;font-size: 26px;line-height: 1.2em;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .uagb-icon-list__source-image{width: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap svg{width: 18px;height: 18px;font-size: 18px;color: #1573a2;fill: #1573a2;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{padding: 0px;border-radius: 0px;border-width: 0px;align-self: center;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__label{font-size: 20px;text-decoration: !important;line-height: em;color: #1573a2;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .uagb-icon-list__wrap{display: flex;flex-direction: column;justify-content: center;-webkit-box-pack: center;-ms-flex-pack: center;-webkit-box-align: flex-start;-ms-flex-align: flex-start;align-items: flex-start;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .uagb-icon-list__label{text-align: left;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{text-decoration: !important;font-size: 20px;line-height: em;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd.wp-block-uagb-icon-list .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{margin-left: 0;margin-right: 0;margin-bottom: 24px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{margin-left: 15px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child {flex-direction: row-reverse;}.uagb-block-fdd052c2.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-fdd052c2.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-679dc0da.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-679dc0da.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-fbb8dca6.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-fbb8dca6.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-b5e9a44d.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-b5e9a44d.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-10525170.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-10525170.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-48a597f8 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-48a597f8 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-48a597f8 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-48a597f8 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-48a597f8 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-48a597f8{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-48a597f8 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: flex-start;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-48a597f8{min-height: 710px;box-shadow: 3px 7px 7px -1px rgba(0,0,0,0.15) ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background-color: #ffffff;;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: flex-start;flex-wrap: nowrap;align-self: start;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-22a41c70 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-22a41c70 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-22a41c70 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-22a41c70 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-22a41c70 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;background: url(https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/07\/Grow-with-your-family_545x307.jpg) 50% 50%;;background-size: cover;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-22a41c70{max-width: 100vw;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-22a41c70 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-22a41c70{min-height: 250px;box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background-repeat: no-repeat;background-position: 50% 50%;background-size: cover;background-attachment: scroll;background-image: url(https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2025\/03\/HelpFamiliesGrow2.webp);background-clip: padding-box;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-562935bf .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-562935bf .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-562935bf .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-562935bf .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-562935bf .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-562935bf{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-562935bf > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;row-gap: 40px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-562935bf{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 40px;padding-left: 40px;padding-right: 40px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;row-gap: 40px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-5a1442f2{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-5a1442f2 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.uagb-layout-grid{row-gap: 8px;column-gap: 8px;grid-template-columns: auto  minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: stretch;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.wp-block-uagb-container > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not( .spectra-container-link-overlay ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-lottie):not(.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap){width: auto !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.wp-block-uagb-container > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox){width: auto !important;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-heading-text{color: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-desc-text{margin-bottom: 15px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight{font-style: normal;font-weight: Default;background: #007cba;color: #fff;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::-moz-selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f .uagb-heading-text{font-weight: 300;font-size: 16px;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator{text-align: left;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator--text .wp-block-uagb-separator-element .uagb-html-tag{font-style: normal;line-height: 1em;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e .uagb-separator-spacing-wrapper{padding-top: 4px;padding-bottom: 4px;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator:not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--text):not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--icon) .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner{-webkit-mask-size: 5px 100%;border-top-width: 3px;width: 100%;border-top-color: #eabe5e;border-top-style: solid;margin-top: 5px;margin-bottom: 5px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-31f155e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-heading-text{color: #006a5a;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-31f155e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-desc-text{margin-bottom: 15px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-31f155e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight{font-style: normal;font-weight: Default;background: #007cba;color: #fff;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-31f155e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::-moz-selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-31f155e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-31f155e3 .uagb-heading-text{font-weight: 400;font-size: 26px;line-height: 1.2em;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .uagb-icon-list__source-image{width: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap svg{width: 18px;height: 18px;font-size: 18px;color: #1573a2;fill: #1573a2;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{padding: 0px;border-radius: 0px;border-width: 0px;align-self: center;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__label{font-size: 20px;text-decoration: !important;line-height: em;color: #1573a2;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .uagb-icon-list__wrap{display: flex;flex-direction: column;justify-content: center;-webkit-box-pack: center;-ms-flex-pack: center;-webkit-box-align: flex-start;-ms-flex-align: flex-start;align-items: flex-start;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .uagb-icon-list__label{text-align: left;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{text-decoration: !important;font-size: 20px;line-height: em;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64.wp-block-uagb-icon-list .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{margin-left: 0;margin-right: 0;margin-bottom: 24px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{margin-left: 15px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child {flex-direction: row-reverse;}.uagb-block-83befcbf.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-83befcbf.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-75d2f158.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-75d2f158.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-0d14af90.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-0d14af90.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-4dd6f9d3.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-4dd6f9d3.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-28c58e21.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}.uagb-block-28c58e21.wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child:hover .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{background:  !important;border-color:  !important;}@media only screen and (max-width: 976px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-85559158{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-85559158 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-85559158{padding-top: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 10px;padding-right: 10px;margin-top: 60px !important;margin-bottom: 60px !important;margin-left: 0px;margin-right: 0px;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ea16301a{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-ea16301a > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a.uagb-layout-grid > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{grid-template-columns: minmax( 1px, 1fr)  minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: stretch;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a{padding-top: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;padding-right: 0px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-26ccc5c9{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-26ccc5c9 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-26ccc5c9{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #ffffff;;grid-column: span 1;grid-row: span 1;align-self: stretch;justify-self: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-84f50fa3{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-84f50fa3 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-84f50fa3{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-position: 54% 48%;background-size: cover;background-image: url(https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2025\/03\/Grow-with-your-family_545x307.webp);background-clip: padding-box;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-271bf38d{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-271bf38d > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-271bf38d{padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 40px;padding-left: 40px;padding-right: 40px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ab8d0982{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-ab8d0982 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.uagb-layout-grid{grid-template-columns: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: stretch;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.wp-block-uagb-container > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not( .spectra-container-link-overlay ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-lottie):not(.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap){width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.wp-block-uagb-container > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox){width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3 .uagb-heading-text{font-size: 12px;letter-spacing: 1px;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator{text-align: center;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator--text .wp-block-uagb-separator-element .uagb-html-tag{font-style: normal;margin-bottom: initial;line-height: 1em;}.uagb-block-f9d54988 .uagb-separator-spacing-wrapper{padding-top: 10px;padding-bottom: 10px;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator:not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--text):not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--icon) .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner{-webkit-mask-size: 5px 100%;width: 100%;border-top-color: #eabe5e;border-top-style: solid;margin-top: 5px;margin-bottom: 5px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .uagb-icon-list__source-image{width: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap svg{width: 18px;height: 18px;font-size: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap {padding: 0px;border-width: 0px;align-self: center;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .uagb-icon-list__wrap{display: flex;flex-direction: column;justify-content: center;-webkit-box-pack: center;-ms-flex-pack: center;-webkit-box-align: flex-start;-ms-flex-align: flex-start;align-items: flex-start;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd.wp-block-uagb-icon-list .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{margin-left: 0;margin-right: 0;margin-bottom: 24px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-48a597f8{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-48a597f8 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-48a597f8{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #ffffff;;grid-column: span 1;grid-row: span 1;align-self: stretch;justify-self: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-22a41c70{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-22a41c70 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-22a41c70{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-position: 54% 48%;background-size: cover;background-image: url(https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2025\/03\/HelpFamiliesGrow2.webp);background-clip: padding-box;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-562935bf{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-562935bf > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-562935bf{padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 40px;padding-left: 40px;padding-right: 40px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-5a1442f2{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-5a1442f2 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.uagb-layout-grid{grid-template-columns: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: stretch;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.wp-block-uagb-container > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not( .spectra-container-link-overlay ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-lottie):not(.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap){width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.wp-block-uagb-container > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox){width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f .uagb-heading-text{font-size: 12px;letter-spacing: 1px;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator{text-align: center;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator--text .wp-block-uagb-separator-element .uagb-html-tag{font-style: normal;margin-bottom: initial;line-height: 1em;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e .uagb-separator-spacing-wrapper{padding-top: 10px;padding-bottom: 10px;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator:not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--text):not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--icon) .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner{-webkit-mask-size: 5px 100%;width: 100%;border-top-color: #eabe5e;border-top-style: solid;margin-top: 5px;margin-bottom: 5px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .uagb-icon-list__source-image{width: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap svg{width: 18px;height: 18px;font-size: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap {padding: 0px;border-width: 0px;align-self: center;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .uagb-icon-list__wrap{display: flex;flex-direction: column;justify-content: center;-webkit-box-pack: center;-ms-flex-pack: center;-webkit-box-align: flex-start;-ms-flex-align: flex-start;align-items: flex-start;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64.wp-block-uagb-icon-list .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{margin-left: 0;margin-right: 0;margin-bottom: 24px;}}@media only screen and (max-width: 767px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-85559158{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-85559158 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-85559158{padding-top: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 10px;padding-right: 10px;margin-top: 60px !important;margin-bottom: 60px !important;margin-left: 0px;margin-right: 0px;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ea16301a{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-ea16301a > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a.uagb-layout-grid > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{grid-template-columns: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: stretch;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ea16301a{padding-top: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;padding-right: 0px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-26ccc5c9{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-26ccc5c9 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-26ccc5c9{padding-top: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;padding-right: 0px;margin-top: 0px !important;margin-bottom: 0px !important;margin-left: 0px;margin-right: 0px;order: initial;background-color: #ffffff;;flex-wrap: wrap;grid-column: span 1;grid-row: span 1;align-self: stretch;justify-self: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-84f50fa3{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-84f50fa3 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-84f50fa3{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-image: url(https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2025\/03\/Grow-with-your-family_545x307.webp);background-clip: padding-box;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-271bf38d{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-271bf38d > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-271bf38d{padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 40px;padding-left: 40px;padding-right: 40px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ab8d0982{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-ab8d0982 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.uagb-layout-grid{grid-template-columns: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: stretch;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.wp-block-uagb-container > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not( .spectra-container-link-overlay ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-lottie):not(.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap){width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ab8d0982.wp-block-uagb-container > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox){width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading {padding-left: 40px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d4c1a7e3 .uagb-heading-text{letter-spacing: 4px;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator{text-align: center;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator--text .wp-block-uagb-separator-element .uagb-html-tag{font-style: normal;margin-bottom: initial;line-height: 1em;}.uagb-block-f9d54988 .uagb-separator-spacing-wrapper{padding-top: 10px;padding-bottom: 10px;}.uagb-block-f9d54988.wp-block-uagb-separator:not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--text):not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--icon) .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner{-webkit-mask-size: 5px 100%;width: 100%;border-top-color: #eabe5e;border-top-style: solid;margin-top: 5px;margin-bottom: 5px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .uagb-icon-list__source-image{width: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap svg{width: 18px;height: 18px;font-size: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{padding: 0px;border-width: 0px;align-self: center;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd .uagb-icon-list__wrap{display: flex;flex-direction: column;justify-content: center;-webkit-box-pack: center;-ms-flex-pack: center;-webkit-box-align: flex-start;-ms-flex-align: flex-start;align-items: flex-start;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-cbb8c5bd.wp-block-uagb-icon-list .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{margin-left: 0;margin-right: 0;margin-bottom: 24px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-48a597f8{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-48a597f8 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-48a597f8{padding-top: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;padding-right: 0px;margin-top: 0px !important;margin-bottom: 0px !important;margin-left: 0px;margin-right: 0px;order: initial;background-color: #ffffff;;flex-wrap: wrap;grid-column: span 1;grid-row: span 1;align-self: stretch;justify-self: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-22a41c70{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-22a41c70 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-22a41c70{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-image: url(https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2025\/03\/HelpFamiliesGrow2.webp);background-clip: padding-box;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-562935bf{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-562935bf > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-562935bf{padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 40px;padding-left: 40px;padding-right: 40px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-5a1442f2{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-5a1442f2 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.uagb-layout-grid{grid-template-columns: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;grid-template-rows: minmax( 1px, 1fr) ;align-items: stretch;justify-items: stretch;align-content: stretch;justify-content: stretch;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.wp-block-uagb-container > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not( .spectra-container-link-overlay ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-lottie):not(.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap){width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5a1442f2.wp-block-uagb-container > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox){width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading {padding-left: 40px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-d9c0200f .uagb-heading-text{letter-spacing: 4px;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator{text-align: center;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator--text .wp-block-uagb-separator-element .uagb-html-tag{font-style: normal;margin-bottom: initial;line-height: 1em;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e .uagb-separator-spacing-wrapper{padding-top: 10px;padding-bottom: 10px;}.uagb-block-aa17f10e.wp-block-uagb-separator:not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--text):not(.wp-block-uagb-separator--icon) .wp-block-uagb-separator__inner{-webkit-mask-size: 5px 100%;width: 100%;border-top-color: #eabe5e;border-top-style: solid;margin-top: 5px;margin-bottom: 5px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .uagb-icon-list__source-image{width: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap svg{width: 18px;height: 18px;font-size: 18px;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child .uagb-icon-list__source-wrap{padding: 0px;border-width: 0px;align-self: center;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64 .uagb-icon-list__wrap{display: flex;flex-direction: column;justify-content: center;-webkit-box-pack: center;-ms-flex-pack: center;-webkit-box-align: flex-start;-ms-flex-align: flex-start;align-items: flex-start;}.wp-block-uagb-icon-list.uagb-block-ced20c64.wp-block-uagb-icon-list .wp-block-uagb-icon-list-child{margin-left: 0;margin-right: 0;margin-bottom: 24px;}}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ecebc267 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ecebc267 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ecebc267 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ecebc267 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ecebc267 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ecebc267{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ecebc267{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background: linear-gradient(130deg, #ffffff 60%, #f8f8f8 46%);;background-clip: padding-box;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}@media only screen and (max-width: 976px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ecebc267{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ecebc267{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background: linear-gradient(130deg, #ffffff 60%, #f8f8f8 46%);;background-clip: padding-box;}}@media only screen and (max-width: 767px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-ecebc267{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-ecebc267{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background: linear-gradient(130deg, #ffffff 60%, #f8f8f8 46%);;background-clip: padding-box;flex-wrap: wrap;}}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-8d4ac8a0{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: row;align-items: flex-start;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;row-gap: 32px;column-gap: 32px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;padding-top: 80px;padding-bottom: 80px;padding-left: 12px;padding-right: 12px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;row-gap: 32px;column-gap: 32px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{max-width: 25%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;max-width: 25% !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{max-width: 25%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;max-width: 25% !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{max-width: 25%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;max-width: 25% !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{max-width: 25%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;max-width: 25% !important;}@media only screen and (max-width: 976px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-8d4ac8a0{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0{padding-top: 80px;padding-bottom: 80px;padding-left: 12px;padding-right: 12px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;max-width:  !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;max-width:  !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;max-width:  !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;max-width:  !important;}}@media only screen and (max-width: 767px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-8d4ac8a0{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-8d4ac8a0{padding-top: 80px;padding-bottom: 80px;padding-left: 12px;padding-right: 12px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;flex-wrap: wrap;max-width: 100% !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;flex-wrap: wrap;max-width: 100% !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;flex-wrap: wrap;max-width: 100% !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-047d9c4f{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-047d9c4f{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;flex-wrap: wrap;max-width: 100% !important;}}.wp-block-uagb-image{display:flex}.wp-block-uagb-image__figure{position:relative;display:flex;flex-direction:column;max-width:100%;height:auto;margin:0}.wp-block-uagb-image__figure img{height:auto;display:flex;max-width:100%;transition:box-shadow 0.2s ease}.wp-block-uagb-image__figure>a{display:inline-block}.wp-block-uagb-image__figure figcaption{text-align:center;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:1em}.wp-block-uagb-image .components-placeholder.block-editor-media-placeholder .components-placeholder__instructions{align-self:center}.wp-block-uagb-image--align-left{text-align:left}.wp-block-uagb-image--align-right{text-align:right}.wp-block-uagb-image--align-center{text-align:center}.wp-block-uagb-image--align-full .wp-block-uagb-image__figure{margin-left:calc(50% - 50vw);margin-right:calc(50% - 50vw);max-width:100vw;width:100vw;height:auto}.wp-block-uagb-image--align-full .wp-block-uagb-image__figure img{height:auto;width:100% !important}.wp-block-uagb-image--align-wide .wp-block-uagb-image__figure img{height:auto;width:100%}.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__color-wrapper{position:absolute;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;opacity:0.2;background:rgba(0,0,0,0.5);transition:opacity 0.35s ease-in-out}.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay-link{position:absolute;left:0;right:0;bottom:0;top:0}.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay .wp-block-uagb-image__figure:hover .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__color-wrapper{opacity:1}.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner{position:absolute;left:15px;right:15px;bottom:15px;top:15px;display:flex;align-items:center;justify-content:center;flex-direction:column;border-color:#fff;transition:0.35s ease-in-out}.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner.top-left,.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner.top-center,.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner.top-right{justify-content:flex-start}.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner.bottom-left,.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner.bottom-center,.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner.bottom-right{justify-content:flex-end}.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner.top-left,.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner.center-left,.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner.bottom-left{align-items:flex-start}.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner.top-right,.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner.center-right,.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner.bottom-right{align-items:flex-end}.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner .uagb-image-heading{color:#fff;transition:transform 0.35s, opacity 0.35s ease-in-out;transform:translate3d(0, 24px, 0);margin:0;line-height:1em}.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner .uagb-image-separator{width:30%;border-top-width:2px;border-top-color:#fff;border-top-style:solid;margin-bottom:10px;opacity:0;transition:transform 0.4s, opacity 0.4s ease-in-out;transform:translate3d(0, 30px, 0)}.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner .uagb-image-caption{opacity:0;overflow:visible;color:#fff;transition:transform 0.45s, opacity 0.45s ease-in-out;transform:translate3d(0, 35px, 0)}.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner:hover .uagb-image-heading,.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner:hover .uagb-image-separator,.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner:hover .uagb-image-caption{opacity:1;transform:translate3d(0, 0, 0)}.wp-block-uagb-image--effect-zoomin .wp-block-uagb-image__figure img,.wp-block-uagb-image--effect-zoomin .wp-block-uagb-image__figure .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__color-wrapper{transform:scale(1);transition:transform 0.35s ease-in-out}.wp-block-uagb-image--effect-zoomin .wp-block-uagb-image__figure:hover img,.wp-block-uagb-image--effect-zoomin .wp-block-uagb-image__figure:hover .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__color-wrapper{transform:scale(1.05)}.wp-block-uagb-image--effect-slide .wp-block-uagb-image__figure img,.wp-block-uagb-image--effect-slide .wp-block-uagb-image__figure .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__color-wrapper{width:calc(100% + 40px) !important;max-width:none !important;transform:translate3d(-40px, 0, 0);transition:transform 0.35s ease-in-out}.wp-block-uagb-image--effect-slide .wp-block-uagb-image__figure:hover img,.wp-block-uagb-image--effect-slide .wp-block-uagb-image__figure:hover .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__color-wrapper{transform:translate3d(0, 0, 0)}.wp-block-uagb-image--effect-grayscale img{filter:grayscale(0%);transition:0.35s ease-in-out}.wp-block-uagb-image--effect-grayscale:hover img{filter:grayscale(100%)}.wp-block-uagb-image--effect-blur img{filter:blur(0);transition:0.35s ease-in-out}.wp-block-uagb-image--effect-blur:hover img{filter:blur(3px)}\n.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662.wp-block-uagb-container{color: #ffffff;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662.wp-block-uagb-container *{color: #ffffff;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-f064f662{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-f064f662 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;row-gap: 20px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 20px;padding-left: 12px;padding-right: 12px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background-color: #25282a;;row-gap: 20px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-dbd5f6c0{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: row;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;row-gap: 20px;column-gap: 32px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;flex-direction: row;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;row-gap: 20px;column-gap: 32px;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0.wp-block-uagb-container > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not( .spectra-container-link-overlay ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox):not(.wp-block-uagb-lottie):not(.uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap){width: auto !important;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0.wp-block-uagb-container > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap > *:not( .wp-block-uagb-column ):not( .wp-block-uagb-section ):not( .uagb-container__shape ):not( .uagb-container__video-wrap ):not( .uagb-slider-container ):not(.spectra-image-gallery__control-lightbox){width: auto !important;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-default figure img{box-shadow: 0px 0px 0 #00000070;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image .wp-block-uagb-image__figure figcaption{font-style: normal;align-self: center;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay figure img{box-shadow: 0px 0px 0 #00000070;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__color-wrapper{opacity: 0.2;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner{left: 15px;right: 15px;top: 15px;bottom: 15px;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner .uagb-image-heading{font-style: normal;color: #fff;opacity: 1;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner .uagb-image-heading a{color: #fff;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner .uagb-image-caption{opacity: 0;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay .wp-block-uagb-image__figure:hover .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__color-wrapper{opacity: 1;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner .uagb-image-separator{width: 30%;border-top-width: 2px;border-top-color: #fff;opacity: 0;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image .wp-block-uagb-image__figure img{width: 292px;height: 48px;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image .wp-block-uagb-image__figure:hover .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner .uagb-image-caption{opacity: 1;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image .wp-block-uagb-image__figure:hover .wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay__inner .uagb-image-separator{opacity: 1;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-default figure:hover img{box-shadow: 0px 0px 0 #00000070;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image--layout-overlay figure:hover img{box-shadow: 0px 0px 0 #00000070;}@media only screen and (max-width: 976px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-f064f662{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-f064f662 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662{padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 20px;padding-left: 12px;padding-right: 12px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #25282a;;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-dbd5f6c0{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image .wp-block-uagb-image__figure img{width: 280px;height: 45px;}}@media only screen and (max-width: 767px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-f064f662{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-f064f662 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-f064f662{padding-top: 20px;padding-bottom: 20px;padding-left: 12px;padding-right: 12px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #25282a;;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-dbd5f6c0{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-dbd5f6c0{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;flex-wrap: wrap;}.uagb-block-644e4891.wp-block-uagb-image .wp-block-uagb-image__figure img{width: 280px;height: 45px;}}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-beb12949{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-beb12949 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background-color: #006c5b;;}@media only screen and (max-width: 976px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-beb12949{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-beb12949 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #006c5b;;}}@media only screen and (max-width: 767px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-beb12949{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-beb12949 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #006c5b;;}}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-beb12949{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-beb12949 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;background-color: #006c5b;;}@media only screen and (max-width: 976px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-beb12949{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-beb12949 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #006c5b;;}}@media only screen and (max-width: 767px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-beb12949{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-beb12949 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-beb12949{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #006c5b;;}}.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap .uagb-buttons__wrap{display:inline-flex;width:100%}.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn__small-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:not(.is-style-outline),.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn__small-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.ast-outline-button{padding:5px 10px}.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn__medium-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:not(.is-style-outline),.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn__medium-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.ast-outline-button{padding:12px 24px}.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn__large-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:not(.is-style-outline),.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn__large-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.ast-outline-button{padding:20px 30px}.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn__extralarge-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:not(.is-style-outline),.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn__extralarge-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.ast-outline-button{padding:30px 65px}@media (max-width: 976px){.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn-tablet__small-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:not(.is-style-outline),.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn-tablet__small-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.ast-outline-button{padding:5px 10px}.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn-tablet__medium-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:not(.is-style-outline),.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn-tablet__medium-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.ast-outline-button{padding:12px 24px}.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn-tablet__large-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:not(.is-style-outline),.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn-tablet__large-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.ast-outline-button{padding:20px 30px}.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn-tablet__extralarge-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:not(.is-style-outline),.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn-tablet__extralarge-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.ast-outline-button{padding:30px 65px}}@media (max-width: 767px){.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn-mobile__small-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:not(.is-style-outline),.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn-mobile__small-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.ast-outline-button{padding:5px 10px}.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn-mobile__medium-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:not(.is-style-outline),.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn-mobile__medium-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.ast-outline-button{padding:12px 24px}.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn-mobile__large-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:not(.is-style-outline),.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn-mobile__large-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.ast-outline-button{padding:20px 30px}.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn-mobile__extralarge-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:not(.is-style-outline),.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap.uagb-btn-mobile__extralarge-btn .uagb-buttons-repeater.ast-outline-button{padding:30px 65px}}\n.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap .uagb-buttons-repeater{display:flex;justify-content:center;align-items:center;transition:box-shadow 0.2s ease}.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap .uagb-buttons-repeater a.uagb-button__link{display:flex;justify-content:center}.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap .uagb-buttons-repeater .uagb-button__icon{font-size:inherit;display:flex;align-items:center}.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap .uagb-buttons-repeater .uagb-button__icon svg{fill:currentColor;width:inherit;height:inherit}\n.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5096eaa1 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5096eaa1 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5096eaa1 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5096eaa1 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5096eaa1 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-5096eaa1{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-5096eaa1 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5096eaa1{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-color: inherit;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-89b3b7a8 .uagb-container__shape-top svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-89b3b7a8 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-top .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-89b3b7a8 .uagb-container__shape-bottom svg{width: calc( 100% + 1.3px );}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-89b3b7a8 .uagb-container__shape.uagb-container__shape-bottom .uagb-container__shape-fill{fill: rgba(51,51,51,1);}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-89b3b7a8 .uagb-container__video-wrap video{opacity: 1;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-89b3b7a8{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-89b3b7a8 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1320px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-direction: column;align-items: center;justify-content: center;flex-wrap: nowrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-89b3b7a8{box-shadow: 0px 0px   #00000070 ;padding-top: 2em;padding-bottom: 2em;padding-left: 2em;padding-right: 2em;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;overflow: visible;order: initial;border-top-left-radius: 30px;border-top-right-radius: 30px;border-bottom-left-radius: 30px;border-bottom-right-radius: 30px;border-color: inherit;background-color: #ebebeb;;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-97ee3d2f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-desc-text{margin-bottom: 15px;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-97ee3d2f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight{font-style: normal;font-weight: Default;background: #007cba;color: #fff;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-97ee3d2f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::-moz-selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading.uagb-block-97ee3d2f.wp-block-uagb-advanced-heading .uagb-highlight::selection{color: #fff;background: #007cba;-webkit-text-fill-color: #fff;}.uagb-block-232092dc.wp-block-uagb-buttons.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap .uagb-buttons__wrap {gap: 10px;}.uagb-block-232092dc.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap .uagb-buttons__wrap {justify-content: left;align-items: center;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611.wp-block-uagb-buttons-child .uagb-buttons-repeater{background: #f3bd48;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .wp-block-button__link{background: #f3bd48;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .wp-block-button__link:hover{background: #f4deaa;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .wp-block-button__link:focus{background: #f4deaa;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-button__wrapper .uagb-buttons-repeater{color: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .wp-block-button__link.has-text-color:hover .uagb-button__link{color: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .wp-block-button__link.has-text-color:focus .uagb-button__link{color: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-button__wrapper  .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link{box-shadow: 0px 0px 0 #00000026;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-button__wrapper  .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:hover{box-shadow: 0px 0px 0 #00000026;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link{border-color: #333;border-style: none;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:hover{border-color: #333;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link:focus{border-color: #333;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611.wp-block-button.is-style-outline .uagb-button__wrapper .wp-block-button__link.uagb-buttons-repeater{border-color: #333;border-style: none;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611.wp-block-button.is-style-outline .uagb-button__wrapper .wp-block-button__link.uagb-buttons-repeater:hover{border-color: #333;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater .uagb-button__link{color: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater:hover .uagb-button__link{color: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater:focus .uagb-button__link{color: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater .uagb-button__icon > svg{width: 15px;height: 15px;fill: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater:hover .uagb-button__icon > svg{fill: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater:focus .uagb-button__icon > svg{fill: #25282a;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater .uagb-button__icon-position-after{margin-left: 8px;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater .uagb-button__icon-position-before{margin-right: 8px;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-button__link{text-transform: normal;text-decoration: none;}@media only screen and (max-width: 976px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-5096eaa1{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-5096eaa1 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5096eaa1{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-89b3b7a8{width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-89b3b7a8 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 1024px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-89b3b7a8{padding-top: 2px;padding-bottom: 2px;padding-left: 2px;padding-right: 2px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #ebebeb;;}.uagb-block-232092dc.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap .uagb-buttons__wrap {justify-content: center;align-items: center;}.uagb-block-232092dc.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap .uagb-buttons__wrap .wp-block-button{width: auto;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611.wp-block-button.is-style-outline .uagb-button__wrapper .wp-block-button__link.uagb-buttons-repeater{border-style: none;border-color: #333;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link{border-style: none;border-color: #333;}}@media only screen and (max-width: 767px) {.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-5096eaa1{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-5096eaa1 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-5096eaa1{margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container .uagb-block-89b3b7a8{max-width: 100%;width: 100%;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-is-root-container.alignfull.uagb-block-89b3b7a8 > .uagb-container-inner-blocks-wrap{--inner-content-custom-width: min( 100%, 767px);max-width: var(--inner-content-custom-width);width: 100%;flex-wrap: wrap;}.wp-block-uagb-container.uagb-block-89b3b7a8{padding-top: 2px;padding-bottom: 2px;padding-left: 2px;padding-right: 2px;margin-top:  !important;margin-bottom:  !important;order: initial;background-color: #ebebeb;;}.uagb-block-232092dc.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap .uagb-buttons__wrap {justify-content: center;align-items: center;}.uagb-block-232092dc.uagb-buttons__outer-wrap .uagb-buttons__wrap .wp-block-button{width: auto;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611.wp-block-button.is-style-outline .uagb-button__wrapper .wp-block-button__link.uagb-buttons-repeater{border-style: none;border-color: #333;}.wp-block-uagb-buttons .uagb-block-00708611 .uagb-buttons-repeater.wp-block-button__link{border-style: none;border-color: #333;}}\";s:2:\"js\";s:161:\"document.addEventListener(\"DOMContentLoaded\", function(){ window.addEventListener( 'load', function() {\n\tUAGBButtonChild.init( '.uagb-block-00708611' );\n});\n });\";s:18:\"current_block_list\";a:17:{i:0;s:14:\"uagb\/container\";i:1;s:12:\"core\/heading\";i:2;s:9:\"core\/html\";i:3;s:10:\"core\/group\";i:6;s:21:\"uagb\/advanced-heading\";i:7;s:14:\"uagb\/separator\";i:8;s:14:\"uagb\/icon-list\";i:9;s:20:\"uagb\/icon-list-child\";i:10;s:11:\"core\/search\";i:13;s:18:\"core\/legacy-widget\";i:16;s:10:\"uagb\/image\";i:17;s:17:\"core\/social-links\";i:18;s:16:\"core\/social-link\";i:19;s:14:\"core\/paragraph\";i:20;s:30:\"meta-box\/fl-conditional-blocks\";i:21;s:12:\"uagb\/buttons\";i:22;s:18:\"uagb\/buttons-child\";}s:8:\"uag_flag\";b:1;s:11:\"uag_version\";i:1775466500;s:6:\"gfonts\";a:1:{s:7:\"Default\";a:2:{s:10:\"fontfamily\";s:7:\"Default\";s:12:\"fontvariants\";a:0:{}}}s:10:\"gfonts_url\";s:71:\"\/\/fonts.googleapis.com\/css?family=Default&subset=latin&display=fallback\";s:12:\"gfonts_files\";a:0:{}s:14:\"uag_faq_layout\";b:0;}"],"_uag_css_file_name":["uag-css-317355.css"],"_uag_js_file_name":["uag-js-317355.js"]},"uagb_featured_image_src":{"full":["https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2025\/02\/image_bbee74.jpg",1024,1024,true]},"uagb_author_info":{"display_name":"Margaret","author_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/author\/margaret-coylefamilylife-com\/"},"uagb_comment_info":0,"uagb_excerpt":"Tony and Lymari Navarro gave up hope after an ongoing affair destroyed their marriage. The Navarros share how they rebuilt trust after betrayal.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"\n<ul>\n<li>Visit <a href=\"https:\/\/www.familylife.com\/content-offers\/rebuild-trust\/\">FamilyLife.com\/Trust<\/a> to receive a free devotional and get their book, <a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product\/from-ruin-to-renewal\/\">Ruin to Renewal: Restoring Your Marriage After Trust Is Broken.<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Need Prayer? Head to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.familylife.com\/prayer-requests\">familylife.com\/prayforme<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Learn more about our Weekend to Remember events at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.familylife.com\/weekend-to-remember\/\">weekendtoremember.com<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr>\n<ul>\n<li>Find resources from this podcast at <a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product-category\/radio-resources\/\">shop.familylife.com<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product-category\/past-radio-resources\/\">See resources from our past podcasts.<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Find more content and resources on the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.familylife.com\/app\/\">FamilyLife's app<\/a>!<\/li>\n<li>Help others find FamilyLife. Leave a review on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303\">Apple Podcast<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm?si=d6dfa8d2415f4750\">Spotify<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Check out all the FamilyLife's podcasts on the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.familylife.com\/familylife-podcast-network\/\">FamilyLife Podcast Network<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2025-11-06.pdf","transcript_content":"\nFamilyLife Today\u00ae with Dave and Ann Wilson; Podcast Transcript\r\n\r\nThis content has been generated by an artificial intelligence language model. While we strive for accuracy and quality, please note that the information provided will most likely not be entirely error-free or up-to-date. We recommend independently verifying the content with the originally-released audio. This transcript is provided for your personal use and general information purposes only. References to conferences, resources, or other special promotions may be obsolete. We do not assume any responsibility or liability for the use or interpretation of this content.\r\n\r\nFrom Ruin to Renewal\r\n\r\nGuests:Tony and Lymari Navarro\r\n\r\nRelease Date:November 6, 2025\r\n\r\nLymari (00:00:00):\r\n\r\nThree years into our marriage, I get a phone call from a mysterious woman who tells me \u201cYour husband is having an affair with a woman at work,\u201d and she hangs up. When you look at the Navarro house, we were a fixer upper. God really came in and restored the ruins of our marriage.\r\n\r\nDave (00:00:15):\r\n\r\nIf you've lost hope, He's the God of resurrection. He resurrected this marriage. He can resurrect yours. \r\n\r\nAlright. We got Tony and Lymari Navarro finally in the studio. \r\n\r\nAnn (00:00:30):\r\n\r\nFinally!\r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nOh man, finally we\u2019re here. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nWe're excited. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nI feel like we know you guys so well because we've done a Weekend to Remember with you. You\u2019re speakers.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nBut I don\u2019t remember where. Where was it?\r\n\r\nTony (00:00:39):\r\n\r\nI don't know either. It was at some banquet.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nYou don't either. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nWas it Texas?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:00:43):\r\n\r\nEverything's a blur, but I think it was Texas. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nTony (00:00:46):\r\n\r\nMaybe it was Texas.\r\n\r\nDave (00:00:47):\r\n\r\nSan Antonio?\r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nSan Antonio.\r\n\r\nTony (00:00:48):\r\n\r\nYes. That was it. That was it.\r\n\r\nDave (00:00:52):\r\n\r\nIt was cold and wet and raining. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nThat was it. San Antonio. \r\n\r\nLymari (00:00:54):\r\n\r\nIt\u2019s all coming back now.\r\n\r\nDave (00:00:54):\r\n\r\nAnd God showed up. But you guys do so many Weekend to Remembers. How many a year?\r\n\r\nTony (00:00:59):\r\n\r\nWe do about man\u2014 \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\n\u2014seven to eight. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\n\u2014seven to eight a year.\r\n\r\nDave (00:01:03):\r\n\r\nOh wow.\r\n\r\nTony (00:01:03):\r\n\r\nSeven to eight a year so I'd say, yeah, we travel more than I thought we would travel at this time in our life.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:01:10):\r\n\r\nIt was cool for us to get to know you, but also to get to know your story because you have a pretty remarkable story of what God has done. And Tony, you were saying as you walked into the studio, this feels crazy that we're here. Why is that?\r\n\r\nTony (00:01:24):\r\n\r\nWell, because in 2002, we attended a Weekend to Remember. It was called, I Still Do, I think it's with a conference. \r\n\r\nAnn (00:01:32):\r\n\r\nOh, you were attending. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nYeah, we were attendees.\r\n\r\nTony (00:01:34):\r\n\r\nSo we went there as an attendee. And I remember it was Dennis Rainey, think Crawford Loritts\u2014\r\n\r\nDave (00:01:40):\r\n\r\nDennis who? Founder and president of FamilyLife in case you don't know. Crawford Loritts, unbelievable mentor of ours, yeah.\r\n\r\nTony (00:01:50):\r\n\r\nWho else was there? Marty, I think it was. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nBob Lepine. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nYeah, Bob Lepine was there.\r\n\r\n(00:01:58):\r\n\r\nIt was just, I remember though going there, we were at the place of divorce though. I mean, we were coming out of something that really devastated our marriage. It's about 18 months of us constantly fighting and trying to get over this, trying to move on to the next step. So we were at a place where we really needed help, and one of the elders at the church actually told us, you should go to this event. They were advertising it through the radio and Moody Bible, 90.1. And so we go and not expecting what's going to happen here. I'd never saw so many couples, I'd never been to an event like this, never been to any kind of counseling or anything like that for marriages. So we're there and we're seeing all these marriages, and then they're starting to share about God's plan for marriage, about communication, about sex. I mean about a lot of different topics. And we left there very hopeful. And we actually were holding hands, like leaving.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:02:53):\r\n\r\nLymari, were you surprised of how you felt afterwards leaving? Did you feel hope? What were you feeling?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:03:00):\r\n\r\nI felt hope. I felt like we had tools to do marriage right. We didn't have examples growing up. And so we left that weekend with just a renewed sense of fight for our marriage. And one of the things that really, I put my stake in the ground was I was going to stop using the word divorce. I felt like that was really what the Holy Spirit prompted in me because I was using that word a lot. I say I like to use it. I like to use it like a credit card. And it was accruing a lot of credit, and it was deteriorating at our marriage at the time when we were trying to restore. And so I left there, yeah, saying this is it.\r\n\r\nDave (00:03:49):\r\n\r\nWell, we have to rewind. We have to go back.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:03:51):\r\n\r\nBut let me say, but Tony, for you, that when you sat down, you thought it's crazy that we're here.\r\n\r\nTony (00:03:59):\r\n\r\nYeah. It's crazy that we're here from sitting at the place that helped our marriage so much indirectly. It wasn't like, \u201cAlright, we went to a Weekend to Remember; we're going to now join FamilyLife. But you used half of our rent that day. We bought Home Builders, and it was called Home Builders at the time. And so we tried slapping it up in our basement and inviting other couples to come by and to learn what we were learning. But to be here to hear the voices that were on the radio. I used to listen on my truck. I was a truck driver for a moment. I would just listen, park at my truck, listen on the radio, and listen to Dennis and Bob talk about all these different things, different host, people that they had on the show. So I was sharing with somebody, it was almost like they were indirectly discipling me. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nWe still do that.\r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nYeah, and it still does that today. All the resources that we have here and the people that you get to interview, it gives you another layer of like, \u201cWow, I didn't know that. And now I do.\u201d And so there's a sort of accountability as well. But yeah, it's just kind of like a full circle moment for us and we're just blown away. We never been to Cru and get a chance to see that as well. So we were just like, \u201cWow, babe, we're part of something so big.\u201d It's amazing.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:05:13):\r\n\r\nAnd that's what God does.\r\n\r\nTony (00:05:14):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (00:05:15):\r\n\r\nWe didn't know your story until we did that first Weekend to Remember as your co-speakers in San Antonio. And we sat in the back of the room and like, \u201cOh, we're\u2014Tony and Lymari. Let's see.\u201d And then we're like, \u201cOh my goodness.\u201d And then we got your book. I mean, it's not out yet, but it's coming out right now when this show airs, it's coming out. So we have the manuscript and when Ann and I read it, we're like, you guys are really good writers. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nThank you. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nI don't know if anybody's told you that; you are. I mean, we knew the story, but it's captivating. And so here's the title, Ruin to Renewal: Restoring Your Marriage After Trust is Broken. Well, we just found out something happened\u2014 in the title. \r\n\r\nAnd by the way, you can go to FamilyLifeToday.com in the show notes there. We'll have a link that you can buy their book. So let's start at the beginning. We sort of got a little bit later, but start how you met, how it started. Give us the ruin to renewal story.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:06:11):\r\n\r\nYeah, so we grew up in the same neighborhood. I would see him on and off on public transportation. Kind of had a crush on him from afar. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nOh, Tony!\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nI thought he was really good looking and charming. And he had this mole right above his lip. He still has it. He just hides it with his mustache now. And I just thought he was really cute. And we had similar friends, but we would not really get to know each other for years until we started dating. And during our dating season we broke up. And in between that time of breaking up, I ended up being a single mom. I got pregnant at 17 years old. \r\n\r\nDave (00:06:58):\r\n\r\nYou were living in Chicago?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:06:59):\r\n\r\nWe were in the heart of Chicago. So we like to call ourselves hood hearts. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nHood hearts. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nWe're from the neighborhood, right?\r\n\r\nTony (00:07:07):\r\n\r\nTwo city blocks away from each other.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:07:08):\r\n\r\nInner city of Chicago.\r\n\r\nDave (00:07:10):\r\n\r\nPlease tell me you're not Bears fans.\r\n\r\nTony (00:07:11):\r\n\r\nDiehard Bears fans. I bleed that Navy blue and orange.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:07:18):\r\n\r\nYou guys, was there any faith going on in your lives or your family? \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nNone of it, nothing. \r\n\r\nTony (00:07:22):\r\n\r\nI mean, like she said, Chreasters where we would go to our church for\u2014\r\n\r\nDave (00:07:28):\r\n\r\nWe know you well. I pastored forever.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:07:31):\r\n\r\nWe know your type.\r\n\r\nTony (00:07:32):\r\n\r\nIt was more of the Catholic background though, and so I did not have any idea what Christians in a sense were. So we weren't living a life to honor the Lord or of any of that. We were kind of just in that city life or inner-city life where we were playing house. I mean, she was pregnant when we got back together again.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:07:53):\r\n\r\nHit that for a second. Just what was that like being 17 years old and being pregnant?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:07:59):\r\n\r\nScary. Part of my story was that I was actually laying on an abortion table about to take the life of my son when his little hand popped up from my belly and it stopped the procedure, and they found out I was a little farther than I was. And so God literally saved my son from that. I was just a scared teenage girl, afraid to tell her mom. And when I finally\u2014 \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nI get chills.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\n\u2014I told my mom. She was a single mom. She was brokenhearted, but my mom helped me raise my son for the first year of his life. And then Tony and I reconnected. So I was very terrified. I didn't even like it when I got pregnant. I was young, naive.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:08:48):\r\n\r\nBut Lymari, think about that. I mean, you're on the table and you get off because your son moved and poked you.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:08:56):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (00:08:56):\r\n\r\nYour son, does he know?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:08:58):\r\n\r\nHe knows the story.\r\n\r\nDave (00:08:59):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:09:00):\r\n\r\nAnd he's a miracle. Even his story's a miracle. And so I say he was fighting for his life. He's like, \u201cNo, not today, Mom.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:09:08):\r\n\r\nWhat a gift from God that was. And you guys didn't even really\u2014you weren't following Him, but God's like, \u201cI'm with you.\u201d\r\n\r\nLymari (00:09:14):\r\n\r\nYeah, yeah. God's hand\u2014we can see the evidence of God's hand throughout our whole life. So even when we look back, it's like God has been merciful. He's been kind to us. Even that. And then 17\u2014we get together when I'm 18 and then we get into a serious relationship, and he helps raise that little boy because his dad was not in his life. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nAnd you didn't have any hesitation, Tony?\r\n\r\nTony (00:09:42):\r\n\r\nI did because I mean, I didn't know what I was doing. And it seems like when we broke up that first time, we both went in different directions, but I think in the same direction. I started to really get involved with drugs, started to hang around\u2014I like what Lecrae says, I was like a hang banger. I was just hanging around with all the bad influences at the time and really getting to a place where I wasn't even believing I was going to live past my twenties. Because in a neighborhood, you just don't live very long, or you get locked up. And so I was living a life that wasn't a place where a kid should be, or a woman should be. And so when we were living together, we had to make some changes. But I still was struggling with the addiction. I was still struggling with a different mindset. Lymari was invited to a church.\r\n\r\nDave (00:10:33):\r\n\r\nWait, wait, wait. I remember at the Weekend to Remember how you said her name.\r\n\r\nTony (00:10:38):\r\n\r\nYeah, \u201cLamati.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (00:10:39):\r\n\r\nYou say it in such a different way.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:10:40):\r\n\r\nHe's the only one that pronounces it that way. And I don't have the heart to correct him. And now\u2014 \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nIt's kind of a sweet now.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nIt's sweet now. It's grown on me.\r\n\r\nDave (00:10:49):\r\n\r\nI'm like over here \u201cDid I say it wrong?\u201d \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nNo, no, you said it.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nLymari.\r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nPretty.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nI like it. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nOr I call her limo. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nLymari is pretty. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nSo we were living with each other, basement apartment, two kids at the time. She gets invited to church.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:11:06):\r\n\r\nWait, so you guys had a baby?\r\n\r\nTony (00:11:08):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:11:08):\r\n\r\nSo now I'm pregnant with his son. We're living together.\r\n\r\nDave (00:11:12):\r\n\r\nHow old's your first son?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:11:13):\r\n\r\nSo our son at the time, he is what? One? \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nTwo. One and a half.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nWell, one and a half. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nWhen you got pregnant.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nWhen I got pregnant. So by the age of 21, I'm with my second child.\r\n\r\nTony (00:11:26):\r\n\r\nSo yes, it was scary\u201421, having two kids, trying to figure this all out. But she's invited to a church service. She goes to see her family, celebrate Mother's Day. And then also, I think it was your cousin that was going to be baptized or something. So anyway, she goes and she keeps going. She keeps going to this church. And I'm thinking, \u201cWell, she's out of the house. She's out of my hair. She's taking the kids so life's good,\u201d right? \u201cI'm going to let that keep happening.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:11:56):\r\n\r\nSo even at that point, you guys weren't doing that great?\r\n\r\nTony (00:11:59):\r\n\r\nNo.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:11:59):\r\n\r\nNo.\r\n\r\nTony (00:12:00):\r\n\r\nNo, no. We were very toxic, dysfunctional.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:12:04):\r\n\r\n\u2014to each other.\r\n\r\nTony (00:12:05):\r\n\r\nAnd again, we needed answers, but we weren't necessarily looking for them. But Lymari started to get answers when she started visiting the church and God really started to do a change in her, dramatically. \r\n\r\nLymari (00:12:19):\r\n\r\nWhy did you go to church, Lymari?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:12:21):\r\n\r\nSo I was bribed. I did not want to go to church. I was not a church goer. And a cousin of mine said, \u201cWell, they're going to be honoring the mothers on Mother's Day.\u201d And my mom and my sister had been attending this church, and I was living my life. I was still partying, doing all these things. A mom but still was living it up. I was young. And so she invites me to church and says, \u201cWell, you have to go because they're going to honor your mom.\u201d So I go there reluctantly. I was there and it was for the first time I heard the gospel, and my heart was pricked. And I would come back again a second time because my cousin who was also from inner city was drug dealing, gang banging\u2014all of that had transformed. And he said, \u201cI want you to come and hear me share my story.\u201d And when he shared his story, he said\u2014I don't remember a lot of things he said, but he said it's like God took all his pain and He squished it like a grape.\r\n\r\n(00:13:29):\r\n\r\nAnd I sat in that pew thinking, \u201cWell, I want all my pain squished like a grape.\u201d And I heard the gospel for the first time: how Christ loved me, and He died for me. And I sat in the pew thinking, \u201cDo you know where I've been and the things that I've done? There's no way that you can forgive me.\u201d And I thought to myself, \u201cWell, if you're willing to forgive, then I'm willing to come to you.\u201d And I remember walking up to the altar crying with my high heels, making\u2014I think I was the only one that went up. And I'm crying to the Lord. And for the first time in my life, I felt peace. I felt love. I felt forgiven and I was transformed. I was in love with God, and I would go home, and it was in stark contrast to what I was reading and learning from the pulpit.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:14:18):\r\n\r\nWhat did you say to Tony when you went home?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:14:20):\r\n\r\nI said, I mean, I came home and I was like, \u201cI gave my life to Jesus.\u201d And he's like, \u201cThat's great,\u201d as long as it don't interrupt his life, \u201cYou can go to church.\u201d And he would still be doing his thing, getting high, hanging out with buddies, doing his stuff. And I am\u2014here I am praying for him, crying out for him. I have the church praying for him and fasting for him, and he wouldn't come to church. And then I said, \u201cWe've been living in sin, and we need to stop having sex, or I need to leave you, or you marry me. And all of a sudden, this God interrupted his sex life. And so that changed everything. \r\n\r\nAnn (00:15:04):\r\n\r\nOkay, Tony, we have to hear what's going on in your head.\r\n\r\nTony (00:15:07):\r\n\r\nWell, yeah, I'm thinking everything was okay until she said that. And I'm like \u201cWhat?\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:15:12):\r\n\r\nYou didn\u2019t care if she's at church.\r\n\r\nTony (00:15:15):\r\n\r\nShe's like, \u201cWe're not having sex no more.\u201d I'm like, \u201cWhat?\u201d And she's trying to explain why. And I'm like, \u201cThat's crazy. It doesn't say that.\u201d And all these, I mean, because I'm thinking this is not normal that people do that. And so I told her, \u201cWell, I'm going to go to church then,\u201d because I wanted to see what this pastor was talking about. I wanted to talk to this guy and figure out what is this guy talking to my girlfriend about all this nonsense stuff. \r\n\r\nSo I go that next Sunday; we ended up going together. And I still remember how it literally was for the first time I was standoffish. I don't want nobody touching me. Don't give me no handshakes. Don't hug me. Just leave me alone. Where do I got to sit? And so she sits\u2014I want to sit in the back. She's like, \u201cCome sit in the front.\u201d\r\n\r\n(00:15:59):\r\n\r\nI don't want to sit in the front. And so we sit in the middle. We're having an argument about where to sit. I don't want to go to the front and so you sit in the middle. It's a small church, but for the first time I heard the gospel. I didn't know this is what the Bible said. I didn't know that Jesus died for me. I didn't know that there's this thing called grace and mercy and that second chance and life and that the word gives us how to live for the Lord. And so I'm crying out of anger, grabbing the pew as he's asking for those that\u2014I mean they're doing altar calls, then come to the front, come to the front and I'm squeezing it angry and crying because I'm feeling like something's wrong right now. Really, really wrong. Either this is a lie, or this is right. And I started feeling emotional and I wasn't a crier. Lymari can't even remember when I would cry. And so I was just\u2014 \r\n\r\nLymari (00:17:00):\r\n\r\nNow he cries all the time. It\u2019s great.\r\n\r\nTony (00:17:00):\r\n\r\n\u2014really feeling\u2014yeah, really feeling this turmoil within me. And so I don't go up. I see the pastor afterward. He gives me a big hug and I'm just kind of stiff, like a log, whatever, receiving this love from this man. And I left though with an impression that I maybe need to relook at this again. I need to come back. And a few months went by, long conversations, talking to different people. I came to a place of like \u201cI surrender, man. Everything I'm doing right now hasn't been working. And I know that you are the true Christ.\u201d And I was so scared because I don't remember three years not being high every single day. I was thinking, \u201cThis is life. You're not going to make it. How are you going to get through the day without it? Why are you going to go up there and say those things or go to the front? You're going to still get high.\u201d And I tell you this, it doesn't happen for everybody, but the taste for it left. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nReally. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nAnd I didn't have the withdrawal. I didn't have sicknesses in that sense. I mean, I had habits still the way that I processed, the way I was deceptive in my daily routines of what I did around Lymari in the home but for the first time, peace. I didn't feel angry anymore.\r\n\r\n(00:18:18):\r\n\r\nAnd it was just, I really felt like the Lord was drawing me towards Him, in His presence. And so that started off, and that's where we were months later. It was like three months later we're like, \u201cWe're getting married.\u201d And they didn't say just because you're living with each other, \u201cYou get married.\u201d No, they walk with us and said, \u201cThis is what the Bible says. This is what you guys are doing.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:18:36):\r\n\r\nSo you guys are getting discipled.\r\n\r\nTony (00:18:39):\r\n\r\nWe're getting discipled there. And it's like \u201cThis is the next steps that you need.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (00:18:41):\r\n\r\nAnd I guess the sex thing was cut off.\r\n\r\nTony (00:18:44):\r\n\r\nYeah, it was. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nI stopped. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nWe stopped. And then it was my conviction as well. And we said, \u201cWell, until we get married, we won't have sex then.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (00:18:51):\r\n\r\nWhat do you tell couples today? I mean, we got to go back to your story, but pause and say, okay, there's a couple that says, \u201cI still think that's stupid.\u201d What do you say to them? Like, \u201cNo, this is why God says you should wait until you're married.\u201d\r\n\r\nLymari (00:19:04):\r\n\r\nYeah. I think one of the things is they're missing out on the blessing of marriage. And we talk about this idea of obedience to the word of God. We have to align not to what we think or what culture's teaching, but what does God say? Because He\u2019s the final authority. So we try to walk people through that. \r\n\r\nWe had a couple that we were walking with just even recently and doing premarital with them and they were living together. And I've sat down with her and said, \u201cHey, if he's not willing, it's time for you to leave.\u201d Because God was doing a work in her and she needed to take a strong stance. And that's where I was at. I knew God was doing something dramatic inside of my life. And this one area was a level where the Holy Spirit was telling me, \u201cLymari, I need you to stop. I need you to obey me and watch what I could do.\u201d And He used that to actually bring Tony to Jesus.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:20:06):\r\n\r\nTony, I was crying and you're emotional too, as you recall that even; that you could, your fear of not being able to get through a day without some sort of a high. Why does that make you emotional?\r\n\r\nTony (00:20:22):\r\n\r\nI feel emotional because of the fact that there are other people like me that are stuck in that everyday cycle. And the fear of the unknown or the fear of failure, again, they're going to let themselves down because you've tried this. A lot of times when it comes to addiction, somebody's tried already\u2014\r\n\r\n(00:20:41):\r\n\r\n\u2014multiple times to break it, whether that's substance or porn or whatever it is that you're going to try on your own efforts to do it. And so I didn't want to let Lymari down. I didn't want to let these people down. I didn't want this to be some sort of, and I really wanted out. I wanted to be there and present with my family, but I was a very angry\u2014I was very angry as well. And so I was kind of medicating myself with a lot of different things. That was just kind of how I was coping with it, all that.\r\n\r\nDave (00:21:09):\r\n\r\nWhat was the anger?\r\n\r\nTony (00:21:11):\r\n\r\nI grew up\u2014in the neighborhood that we grew up in, it was kind of like wearing anger was kind of your t-shirt.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:21:17):\r\n\r\nIt was an armor. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\n\u2014badge of honor.\r\n\r\nTony (00:21:19):\r\n\r\nIt came across like angry, tough. And then, I mean, there were obviously things in my own home as well that I can look back now and see certain points in my life growing up in my household where the seed of anger was really\u2014had soil to have its fruit come out of my life. And so being quick and using that as a fuel for reputation and all that kind of stuff in the neighborhood, but I didn't know how to turn it off. And so when we would get together, we\u2019d have arguments. It\u2019d just explode. I mean, I'm physically damaging things, not hitting Lymari, but just the way that I cope with life. It was always that was to do anything was to muster up the anger and to get it done. \r\n\r\nAnn (00:22:10):\r\n\r\nSo it had been an armor probably most of your life. And who would you be without the anger and then the drugs to help that subside?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:22:19):\r\n\r\nIt's interesting because I think about this idea of an armor. And when the armor was gone, Tony became so tender, and he's still very tender. There's a part of him that's so tender with our kids growing up, tender with me. And it was like he was hiding behind this thing that was really destroying him. And it was learned. It's generational as well, things we've had to fight. So he's come a long way from there, from that space.\r\n\r\nDave (00:22:52):\r\n\r\nWas that something you saw dissipate right after coming to Christ? Because the drugs did. I mean that was done.\r\n\r\nTony (00:22:57):\r\n\r\nMoments of it.\r\n\r\nDave (00:22:59):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nTony (00:23:00):\r\n\r\nThe moments where there would be times where I really felt waking up like, \u201cWow.\u201d Do you ever wake up and it's just like you actually hear birds, even though you're living in the city. There's like, \u201cOh, I do hear birds. I don't just hear something else, gunshots.\u201d But I mean, it is just like a peace. But then there are obviously moments where you're just feeling more of an attack and just the season of spurts of anger or something.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:23:26):\r\n\r\nWait guys, so what were all your friends? Your friends are probably a tough group and they are partying.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:23:32):\r\n\r\nAbsolutely.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:23:33):\r\n\r\nWhat are they thinking? What has happened to these guys?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:23:36):\r\n\r\nWhat's interesting? There was so many of our friends coming to know Jesus as a result of the transformation that was happening in our lives. We even had young man call us at 11 o'clock at night, called him and he was on a really bad high. And he went to some other guys and they just said, \u201cWe don't know how to help you, but Tony Navarro, he can help you.\u201d So he shows up at our house, we're praying for this guy. We're telling him, \u201cGet rid of your drugs.\u201d He gives his life to Jesus. He gets married. And those were the kind of stories that were happening around us because of the transformation that was happening in us.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nThat\u2019s awesome.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nThat people were witnessing. Yeah.\r\n\r\nDave (00:24:14):\r\n\r\nThat's supposed to happen. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nIt was pretty cool. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nThat's it. You're called to ministry the day you're called.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:24:19):\r\n\r\nAbsolutely.\r\n\r\nDave (00:24:20):\r\n\r\nSo you get married\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn (00:24:21):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (00:24:23):\r\n\r\n\u2014and how'd that go?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:24:25):\r\n\r\nIt went well for the first couple years.\r\n\r\nTony (00:24:27):\r\n\r\nVery budget friendly.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:24:28):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\n(00:24:30):\r\n\r\nWe get married. We're doing well, as good as we possibly can. Again with the things that were handed to us. One idea that we have is that we bring all these things into our marriage from our\u2014what we've learned experiences, some of the ways that we deal with things. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nAll of our baggage. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nAll our baggage. I think it's Pete Cesario. He says, \u201cJesus may be in my heart but Grandpa's in my bones.\u201d Right. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nThat's good. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nSo you get these parts of you that you bring into marriage that trickle into the narrative of your marriage. And so as much as we were now new Christians, there was still a lot of areas of surrender that God was still getting at. And so three years into our marriage, now we're serving, we're doing Sunday school, we're serving in children's ministry\u2014 \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\n\u2014sitting in the front row.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\n\u2014sitting in the front row. \r\n\r\nTony (00:25:25):\r\n\r\nSitting in the front row. We were sitting in the front row. We've been sitting in the front row now for a lot of years. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nI like the front row people.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:25:29):\r\n\r\nI love the front row. There's nothing like the front row. That's where the fire is at. And so we're growing in our faith. And then three years into our marriage, we had become like ships in the night. I was working at night. Now we have three kids. He's working. So we're kind of tag teaming. He's coming in, I'm leaving. He's leaving, I'm coming in. And so we had drifted.\r\n\r\nTony (00:25:57):\r\n\r\nYeah, before that too\u2014so I needed to get a career because what I was doing was not going to be a career. And so now after that I said, listen Lymari, I should go back to school or do something. So I went into the trade. And so that took me out of the loop for a while. Did that for 18 months, really do well with that too. And took on two jobs. So I was working another job, two small jobs like restaurants and working at a shop as well and working on tires and brakes and stuff like that. So it took me out of the community.\r\n\r\n(00:26:32):\r\n\r\nI wasn't consistent anymore. And still new believer and still trying to figure this all out. But I felt really good about the fact that I was making traction. And then I landed this good job that I was like, \u201cWow, babe, I think that this can be the one that you can stay home. I can bring home enough, and you can just raise the kids. But ended up, there were a lot of temptations that I was not able to process and me drifting away, really getting cold to the things of God, not practicing\u2014I would call my disciplines in a sense\u2014reading the Word, having time with God, obeying. It was just kind of get up and go and then try to make it to the next event.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:27:13):\r\n\r\nIsn't that interesting though, how we don't understand the impact of just those daily disciplines, but you're saying\u2014and we all get busy. That can happen to every single one of us, and it does happen to all of us.\r\n\r\nTony (00:27:27):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:27:27):\r\n\r\nBut you felt that your heart got a little colder and distant.\r\n\r\nTony (00:27:31):\r\n\r\nOh yeah. Because we went from being so active to now becoming not so active. And she was still\u2014\r\n\r\nLymari (00:27:38):\r\n\r\n\u2014very active in the church.\r\n\r\nTony (00:27:38):\r\n\r\n\u2014very active. And so for me, I always felt like I was coming from behind now, having to try to catch up. And she was growing in the Word. She was growing in her prayers. And I felt like, \u201cWow, I don't even know how to pray. You do.\u201d But I felt good about the fact that I was bringing home an income.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:27:55):\r\n\r\nYou\u2019re providing.\r\n\r\nTony (00:27:56):\r\n\r\nRight. And then overtime opportunities came. I was taking on those opportunities as well. And so we saw the drift. The drift was there. We were definitely drifting from each other. I was drifting though from the Lord. She at least was still connected in that way. But we were, like she said, going in, tag teaming, \u201cYou take this shift. I take the next,\u201d and not really growing in this marriage together.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:28:21):\r\n\r\nAnd we had three kids at the time, and our youngest was, he was 18 months. And so yeah, our marriage was, I thought it was okay, but it was shaky. And so three years into our marriage, I get a phone call from a mysterious woman who calls me, who tells me \u201cYour husband Marcos,\u201d because that\u2019s what they call him at work. That's his actual name. His nickname is Tony. Everyone calls him Tony. Only people at work call him Marcos. \r\n\r\nTony (00:28:52):\r\n\r\nOr my friend's at FamilyLife.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:28:55):\r\n\r\nShe tells me \u201cYour husband Marcos is having an affair with a woman at work.\u201d And she hangs up.\r\n\r\nDave (00:29:01):\r\n\r\nShe just called, said that, and hung up?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:29:02):\r\n\r\nAnd just hung up.\r\n\r\nDave (00:29:04):\r\n\r\nDo you know who it was? Have you ever talked to her?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:29:05):\r\n\r\nTo this day I don't know who it is. It was a mysterious phone call. I\u2019d never hear from her again. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nSo how old were your kids at that point? \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nSo four, six, and our youngest was 18, 18 months. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nWhat'd you feel in that second? \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nI call it the wrecking ball. That wrecking ball came swinging into our marriage, and I was left with pieces. And so I called Tony immediately at work and I said, \u201cYou have about 15 minutes to get home. I just got this phone call, and you have to explain yourself, or I will show up to your job with all three of your kids.\u201d So my hood Latina came out. I was like, \u201cYou got some explaining to do Ricky,\u201d no. So he showed up to the house, and in our kitchen, he told me, \u201cI'm not having an affair, but I've fallen out of love with you.\u201d And that is some of the hardest things to hear from the man that you love. \r\n\r\nSo I grab our kids, and I leave and I go to the place where I feel safest. I go to my pastor's office, and I call Tony from there, and I tell him, \u201cIf you want to salvage what's left of our marriage, show up to our pastor's office.\u201d And this was the beginning of our\u2014we call it the demo day, where everything came crashing down in our marriage. \r\n\r\nAnn (00:30:31):\r\n\r\nTony, when you were called at work, what did you think?\r\n\r\nTony (00:30:37):\r\n\r\nI kind of describe it like life stopped, couldn't feel. She's on the other side of the phone telling me, \u201cGet home. Somebody told me that you're having an affair with somebody at work.\u201d Or right away your first initial response for me was, I want to deny it. Right? But I don't know what to do. I'm just like, my heart dropped. Everything is about to change right now. And so I get home, I leave, I get home, and I'm still denying it. I'm trying to damage control, trying to figure if I can get out of this without damaging too much. And told her \u201cI've fallen out of love with you.\u201d And that was part of the process, but it was kind of hiccups of truth coming out. But when I get to the pastor's office, he's encouraging me to \u201cTony, get it all out, man.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:31:29):\r\n\r\nTell her everything.\r\n\r\nTony (00:31:30):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nGet a little bit now and then more.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:31:32):\r\n\r\nQuit lying. He knew. Our pastor knew.\r\n\r\nTony (00:31:35):\r\n\r\nYeah. This isn't pastor's first rodeo, right? He's been in with a lot of marriages in his office.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:31:40):\r\n\r\nWere you afraid of Lymari when that\u2014\r\n\r\nTony (00:31:42):\r\n\r\nYeah, I was afraid of Lymari, yeah. We're still new believers. We're still new believers. It wasn't like everything is, but I knew that it can get really ugly quick. But I felt safe with my pastor. Pastor was kind of like my second dad. He came in a pivotal time in my life when I didn't have a role model like that. And just the way that he was very patient with me at times. But he said, he's said, \u201cTony, just get it out there. Are you having an affair or not?\u201d And I said, \u201cYeah, I had an affair,\u201d but it was still just, I wanted to make it seem like it was maybe one time I just had an affair. But the minute I said that Lymari already falls to the floor and she's just crying. He's just sitting behind his chair just observing us both. I'm about to cry too, but I'm just worried about what's going to happen next. Is she going to get up and beat me? Or what is she going to do? I mean, she is tough, tough cookie. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nYou're making me sound so horrible. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nShe said some things after that though, that really changed the direction of where we were going to go.\r\n\r\nDave (00:32:50):\r\n\r\nI mean, when you heard him say yes, because before he said no.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:32:55):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (00:32:55):\r\n\r\nAnd you probably thought, \u201cWell, maybe he's true,\u201d but there, and he now says it\u2014\r\n\r\nLymari (00:33:00):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (00:33:00):\r\n\r\n\u2014what happened? You just collapsed?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:33:01):\r\n\r\nI collapsed to the ground. I was crying. I felt like there was a lot of questions in my head, like \u201cWhen? Who? What were you thinking?\u201d And so I'm here crying on the floor, and I immediately get up, wipe my tears, and I look at our pastor and I says, \u201cDoesn't the Bible say this is means for a divorce?\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:33:28):\r\n\r\nOoh, those are your first words.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:33:29):\r\n\r\nThose were my first words. And I had told Tony before, if you ever cheat on me, we're done. I saw my mom get hurt by men. I wasn't going to be that person. And so our pastor looked at me with so much wisdom, and it's almost like he could see for miles and generations what could happen with this decision. And at that moment, he says, \u201cYou're right, Lymari. You do have the right to divorce him, but there's another option. The other option is grace.\u201d He said those words. And I could feel myself, go back to the moment that 21-year-old girl who came to the altar who was broken, and I thought about the word grace and how it literally found me dying in a pew. And I looked at Tony and I said, \u201cI choose grace.\u201d \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nRight there. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nThose three words\u2014 \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nI choose grace.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\n\u2014just came out, and I know it was the Holy Spirit. Saying the words and living them, that was two different things. But right there, I was able to say, \u201cI choose grace.\u201d And our pastor said, \u201cBoth are going to be hard. One is going to require you sticking it out, working through the junk, and the other can devastate your family, your children. Both are going to be hard, but you have a choice today.\u201d And so that moment, I said, \u201cI choose grace.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (00:34:59):\r\n\r\nTony, what'd you think?\r\n\r\nTony (00:35:02):\r\n\r\nWell, I had already reasoned that I was going to probably move my things out of the house or the apartment and start living with a family member or my mom or somebody and be the weekend dad. When she left after we had that conversation at the house, I got a chance to walk around the apartment and just look at, \u201cI messed this all up. I messed this all up.\u201d And I never wanted my kids to go through that.\r\n\r\nDave (00:35:37):\r\n\r\nYou\u2019re thinking \u201cI'm going to lose all this.\u201d Every room, every bed.\r\n\r\nTony (00:35:42):\r\n\r\nYeah, everything. Everything we went through for the last three years, which was a lot for what we were going through. And then when I get a chance to hear that, I'm like, \u201cWhat?! She's going to give me grace.\u201d And we share in the book. I said, \u201cIt wasn't just a word I heard or something theological. It was like a blanket or coat that I needed. I was wrapped around.\u201d\r\n\r\n(00:36:08):\r\n\r\nI was just like, \u201cWow, what's happening right now? What's going to happen here? That's not Lymari. That's not the Lymari that I married. She would never do that.\u201d And so for her to say that; it blew me away. But it also stopped my thoughts of like, \u201cWait, maybe we're going to get through this.\u201d Right? \u201cMaybe\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nThere's hope. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nYeah, there's hope. And so although it was just like, again, she just said it. We haven't got a chance to even live it out. But if I'm going home tonight, I'm like, that's something I never knew that was going to happen, that I'm going to be able to go home and stay in my home with my wife and kids.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:36:49):\r\n\r\nSo what happened? \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nSo after that, I mean, I made that decision and then the work behind that came, and he told me it happened once, but all the revelation of the affair started to come out. In fact, it came out through a dream. I had a dream that I saw the other woman, how she looked. She tells me in the dream how long it had been happening that she was in love with my husband.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:37:16):\r\n\r\nCome on.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:37:17):\r\n\r\nAnd I wake up and I turn to him, and I tell him the dream. And he's like, \u201cWhat?\u201d\r\n\r\nTony (00:37:21):\r\n\r\nI thought she was a witch. I was like\u2014never heard of that before.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:37:22):\r\n\r\nHe was like, \u201cThat's just a dream.\u201d But when I say\u2014\r\n\r\nDave (00:37:26):\r\n\r\nWas it accurate?\r\n\r\nTony (00:37:27):\r\n\r\nIt was accurate.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:37:28):\r\n\r\nIt was accurate to the T.\r\n\r\nTony (00:37:29):\r\n\r\nSpot on.\r\n\r\nDave (00:37:30):\r\n\r\nEven what she looked like?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:37:31):\r\n\r\nEverything.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:37:35):\r\n\r\nDid that scare you, Tony? It scared me.\r\n\r\nTony (00:37:36):\r\n\r\nI was like \u201cWhat's going on here?\u201d Seen this in movies, but I've never heard about this though.\r\n\r\nDave (00:37:45):\r\n\r\nSo did you own it then? Like \u201cOkay.\u201d\r\n\r\nTony (00:37:47):\r\n\r\nNo, I was like, still I was like, \u201cThat's a crazy dream. Yeah Derek. I had tacos last night.\u201d But she was spot on, and I was just like, \u201cWow, God is telling on me here.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:38:00):\r\n\r\nSeriously.\r\n\r\nTony (00:38:01):\r\n\r\nSeriously. And again, it was like she had certain things. This is the way I heard her, her hair color, the car color, kind of car it was, how long it had been happening. I was like, \u201cWow.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:38:13):\r\n\r\nDid that make it worse for you, Lymari?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:38:17):\r\n\r\nHe told me I was wrong. I laid down, but the Holy Spirit is like, \u201cThere's more.\u201d And so I just began to pray. I said, \u201cGod, whatever's done in darkness, bring it to the light. Bring it to the light.\u201d And so when everything finally came out, he was on, we were at a business meeting. He walks out to the parking lot and is on his phone. He doesn't know I'm behind him. I grabbed the phone and when I listen, I hear her voice. And she had left a voicemail, and she begins to tell everything. And he, he's trying to\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn (00:38:53):\r\n\r\nWhat does that mean?\u2014what she's telling.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:38:54):\r\n\r\nShe's telling him, \u201cI love you. Don't throw all this away. We've been doing this for this long. You said you cared for me.\u201d I mean, she's crying on the phone. And my heart is, when I say wrenched, I couldn't get her voice out of my head. And I looked at him, and I pointed at the sun and I said, \u201cTony, everything you do comes to the light; live in the light.\u201d And I walked away. \r\n\r\nWe had gotten into a really bad argument. There was a lot going on. Everything is finally out. Memorial Day, 2000. This was the day, a couple days after we're fighting like cats and dogs. I mean, revelations are coming out, things are coming out. I mean, just so much triggered. I am highly triggered, but I've had a moment where the Lord is telling me, \u201cSurrender, surrender,\u201d and I'm fighting God. We end up\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn (00:39:54):\r\n\r\nBecause He deserves your anger.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:39:56):\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:39:57):\r\n\r\nThat's probably what you're feeling. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nEverything in me\u2014 \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nI would want to beat him up. Not really, but kind of.\r\n\r\nTony (00:40:02):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:40:03):\r\n\r\nI did.\r\n\r\nDave (00:40:03):\r\n\r\nShe didn't say that. That's not the views of FamilyLife Today. Do not beat up your spouse. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nI really wouldn't, I would not have beaten him up, but I would've wanted to.\r\n\r\nDave (00:40:11):\r\n\r\nWe do not advocate that. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nWe do not condone that. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nNo condoning violence. \r\n\r\nDave (00:40:17):\r\n\r\nI do say grab his phone though and find out what's going on. Grab her phone. That's a good move.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:40:21):\r\n\r\nAnd he was raging behind me when I grabbed the phone because everything was coming out. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nIt's exposed. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nIt's exposed. And so I\u2014\r\n\r\nTony (00:40:31):\r\n\r\nFaster than I wanted it to.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:40:32):\r\n\r\nOh, yeah.\r\n\r\nTony (00:40:34):\r\n\r\nIn me, I knew that it was going to all come out, but it was like, let me control how much comes out.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:40:38):\r\n\r\nYeah, God\u2019s like, \u201cLet me take control now.\u201d\r\n\r\nTony (00:40:40):\r\n\r\nBecause the little bit that we were sharing\u2014the arguments were bringing out more. We get to the point of arguing so bad that it was \u201cOkay, well this happened too\u201d or \u201cThat was\u201d\u2014and so it would just add more and then it would fuel even more of the hurt. And so it was like there was no end to the arguments.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:40:58):\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:40:59):\r\n\r\nI peppered him with questions. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nOh, I can't imagine. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nWhich we don't recommend now.\r\n\r\nTony (00:41:03):\r\n\r\nWe don't.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:41:03):\r\n\r\nThe details. \r\n\r\nAnn (00:41:05):\r\n\r\nYou didn't need to know the details.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:41:05):\r\n\r\nI didn't need the details. The details only were destroying me and causing me to get to a place of insecurity. But we ended up, the Lord is trying to deal with me. I'm fighting God. We get to\u2014it's Memorial Day weekend and we get to a church picnic. My cousin comes to me and she's like, \u201cLymari, I have a word for you from the Lord.\u201d And I said, \u201cOkay.\u201d And she's like, \u201cHow are you?\u201d I'm like, \u201cI'm good.\u201d I am like fighting her. I'm skinny. I look\u2014my hair's a mess. And she's like, \u201cLet's go for a walk.\u201d She walks with me and she says, \u201cThis is not your battle. You cannot fight this the way you've been fighting this in human effort.\u201d She's like, \u201cSurrender your husband to the Lord.\u201d She reads me a scripture from the, I think it's the book of Romans where it says, \u201cVengeance is mine,\u201d says the Lord, \u201cI will repay.\u201d You do good.\r\n\r\n(00:41:58):\r\n\r\nAnd it's like heaping burning coals over your enemy's head. And though Tony wasn't my enemy, he sure felt like it. And so I was there and I surrendered him to God. I'm praying there. She left me there in the forest preserve. And I began to pray. And I said, \u201cGod, I surrender Tony to you. I can't do this anymore. I'm going crazy. I'm losing my mind.\u201d I said, \u201cBut God, if I were you, here's what I would do.\u201d This was my last opportunity. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nI betted a few prayers like that. \u201cIf I were you, God,\u201d here's a good idea for me. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\n\u201cI have a great idea, God.\u201d And I said, \u201cBut God, this is your sheep. And he's wandered from the flock. Break his leg so that he never wanders again and put him over your shoulder until he knows your sweet voice and never wanders from you again.\u201d\r\n\r\n(00:42:48):\r\n\r\n\u201cIn Jesus' name. Amen.\u201d And I go to Tony, I'm like, \u201cI surrender you to the Lord. I'm going to stop fighting with you.\u201d And he's like, \u201cGood, because you're driving me crazy.\u201d And then right there, we're on a basketball court, we're playing basketball and off to the side of the field, are people playing softball. And a friend of ours, a cousin of ours says, \u201cHey, I'm going to go get some food. Tony, cover for me.\u201d And I said, \u201cGo ahead. You could cover for him.\u201d I start going with my cousin to the food area. Before we even arrive, someone runs to me and they said, \u201cYour husband\u201d\u2014and I said, He broke his leg.\u201d And they said, \u201cHow did you know?\u201d And I said, \u201cPraise the Lord.\u201d So Tony doesn't like this part of the story. I come over to Tony. He is on the softball field. \r\n\r\nDave (00:43:32):\r\n\r\nSo you ran into a guy, right?\r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\n\u2014in the game and broke your leg.\r\n\r\nTony (00:43:36):\r\n\r\nYep. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nUnbelievable. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nAnd it was crazy because I'm thinking it was a slow kind of setting for a movie where it's a fly ball, it's coming over third base, and I'm in the outfield and I see it just staying up there. Like God paused it for me to run up to it. And as I'm running up to it, I'm thinking\u2014again, this is my community, which I just, now, I'm Tony the cheater. They're going through it. Tony got caught cheating. So I'm thinking, \u201cI'm going to save the day. The mighty just forgave me. The church thinks I'm a cheater. Now I'm going to be a hero. I'm going to catch this ball.\u201d And the minute I go to touch it I ran into somebody else. And when I wake back up\u2014well, I didn't wake up, but when I looked up, I saw my leg pointing in the other direction.\r\n\r\n(00:44:20):\r\n\r\nAnd I felt the pain. And I'm just screaming. And I heard her voice a little shortly afterward and really felt like, I don't know. I felt like this was an opportunity God had for to get out of this situation because I was having moments of truth but in the field of lies. I mean the last months of what I was doing and stuff. And so I felt like this was the first time I could even stop and have a pause on everything and be able to reestablish in this season my relationship with the Lord. I mean, again, not only was I drifted from Lymari; I was drifting from God.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:44:57):\r\n\r\nSo it\u2019s like stop the hiding. You can't run anymore.\r\n\r\nTony (00:44:59):\r\n\r\nExactly. And then dealing with the arguing, doing it in a natural sense, just trying to manage. I'm still hiding in all of this.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:45:06):\r\n\r\nProtecting yourself.\r\n\r\nTony (00:45:07):\r\n\r\nYeah, protecting. And so now it was like a surrender. I'm just like, now Tony's at a place. Lymari just surrendered. And shortly after, now I'm at a place of a season of surrender. I couldn't walk. It was months. I had to have another surgery after that as well. And she had to help me with everything. She had to help me go to the bathroom. She had to help me bathe, had to help me any way. Wherever they put me, that's where I stayed.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:45:31):\r\n\r\nGirl, I want you praying for me. You got this great connection with God. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nNot to break her legs. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\n\u201cGod, break his legs.\u201d \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nDon't pray for breaking legs for us. So you were broken and you were totally sorry.\r\n\r\nTony (00:45:44):\r\n\r\nI was broken. I was broken and broken.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:45:45):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nTony (00:45:46):\r\n\r\nBroken and broken.\r\n\r\nDave (00:45:47):\r\n\r\nI mean, did you finally say, \u201cOkay, here's everything. Not going to hide anything anymore. Here it is.\u201d\r\n\r\nTony (00:45:53):\r\n\r\nWell, when I got a little healthier. We started to share more as we started to talk through how things happened and what was going on and reestablishing some boundaries right away. Like the phone call stuff, bank accounts, all that kind of thing. Just making it all into one. In a natural sense, I mean, you would want to do that. If something tragic happens in your family, you're going to try to do anything you can to protect the marriage. But even through that process, we still had really bad fights. We would have moments where it felt like it's going to be good. And then moments where it was like, this is not going to work. And 18 months later is when we went to our first Weekend to Remember. It was in 2002.\r\n\r\nDave (00:46:41):\r\n\r\nOh, really? That was before or after I Still Do.\r\n\r\nTony (00:46:45):\r\n\r\nThat was the I Still Do event.\r\n\r\nDave (00:46:46):\r\n\r\nOh, it was, okay.\r\n\r\nTony (00:46:48):\r\n\r\nI'm just calling it that for reference. But that was the I Still Do event. I was still\u2014\r\n\r\nDave (00:46:52):\r\n\r\nYeah, people don't even know FamilyLife used to do stadium events\u2014\r\n\r\nTony (00:46:55):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:46:56):\r\n\r\nYes, that\u2019s what we went to.\r\n\r\nDave (00:46:56):\r\n\r\n\u2014called I Still Do. If you're like, I want to go to one of those, you can't. We don't do them anymore. But you can go to a Weekend to Remember which you guys speak at, we speak at. So you went to one.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:47:04):\r\n\r\nThe conference was very similar to the Weekend to Remember.\r\n\r\nDave (00:47:06):\r\n\r\nYes, marriage content. Probably the same content. Yeah.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:47:12):\r\n\r\nWell, in between that we had just what we call the messy middle\u2014triggers and reestablishing trust and him getting accountability. And we talk about this in the book, but\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn (00:47:24):\r\n\r\nI'm really glad because so many people have faced betrayal of some kind, and they don't always sit in the messy middle. We then hear the end story. We're like, \u201cOh.\u201d And so then if we get in the messy middle, we think, \u201cWait, this isn't how it goes. This isn't how it should be going.\u201d But you're saying no, this is part of it.\r\n\r\nDave (00:47:44):\r\n\r\nI mean, is this, you guys are, you do home renovations? \r\n\r\nLymari (00:47:48):\r\n\r\nYeah, we do.\r\n\r\nDave (00:47:48):\r\n\r\nYou're famous on TV from the show. What was the show called?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:47:52):\r\n\r\nBattle on the Mountain.\r\n\r\nDave (00:47:53):\r\n\r\nBattle on the Mountain. You should have won it.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:47:55):\r\n\r\nShould have won it. \r\n\r\nDave (00:47:57):\r\n\r\nBut you're renovating and each week\u2014we watched it\u2014you get to see who did best. But the messy middle is this. You're getting the studs up. The drywall is not done. The electricals go up. It's messy.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:48:06):\r\n\r\nYou can't see what it's going to be yet.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:48:07):\r\n\r\nExactly. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nBut it's starting to take shape.\r\n\r\nTony (00:48:09):\r\n\r\nYou do a great job with that, Dave.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:48:11):\r\n\r\nHe is pretty good. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nI love doing home stuff. I'm not good you, but I love it because I'm cheap. I don't want to pay some money.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:48:16):\r\n\r\nThat's exactly how we got into it, because we're cheap too.\r\n\r\nTony (00:48:20):\r\n\r\nI couldn't afford all the things Lymari really wanted, but it was\u2014so in the messy middle\u2014and Babe, you can share too on it. I just wanted to say, when we do a project, there's times where you may have taken on something that you didn't feel like you're that qualified to finish. And when everything is out, like you said, you're right in the middle. You don't know when it's going to end. It feels like you're adding on another thing and another thing and another layer and another material and all that. And in the messy middle, that's kind of how I felt. I felt like there were moments where I can see this is going to go this direction, but then there were a lot of days where it was like \u201cThis is hopeless. Let's just sell this and go start something new.\u201d Because it was really hard to see through it. And even leading up to that I Still Do conference we were already now at the place like, okay, this doesn't seem like we're getting traction in the right direction. And even with all the things that we saw happen with the lake, surrender to the Lord and all that. Well, because Christians get divorces too. We see people that are getting divorces too. So it's like, \u201cWell maybe then this is not going to work.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (00:49:25):\r\n\r\nSo you were actually thinking, \u201cWe may just end this thing.\u201d \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:49:28):\r\n\r\nAbsolutely. It's kind of like, it's just so hard.\r\n\r\nDave (00:49:30):\r\n\r\nEven after all that, it's still not working. So you know what?\r\n\r\nLymari (00:49:33):\r\n\r\nWe were fighting and we were in the process in the middle of the dust of sandpaper. When you're renovating a house where you're just kind of crawling over things. We were trying to, God was restoring things and renovating us from the inside out. And it was hard. And there were times where I was like, \u201cI don't want to keep doing this. Is it always going to be this...fighting and feeling like whenever we got into a fight, we were going 10 steps back.\u201d But I like to say that we don't see the progress that's happening in the process, but there's progress.\r\n\r\n(00:50:17):\r\n\r\nIn the messy middle when you see the sandpaper and you only see the drywall coming up, you forget that it's going to take some time to get it to the place of making it beautiful again. And God was really getting to some heart issues in us. For me, I had to love the man who betrayed me. There were times where there was one moment where I'm driving him. He\u2019s in the back of the car. He's with his little crutches and I'm triggered. I don't know what triggered me. I stopped the car, pull it over, and I said, get out the car. And he's like, what? I said, \u201cGet out of the car.\u201d I'm just triggered. And he's limping and he's getting out the car and I drive off. The kids are crying, I'm driving. I look at him through the rear-view mirror, and I hear the Holy Spirit say, \u201cGo back and get your husband.\u201d \r\n\r\nTony (00:51:15):\r\n\r\nThank God for the Holy Spirit. \r\n\r\nLymari (00:51:16):\r\n\r\nAnd I'm like, \u201cI don't want to. I don\u2019t want to forgive him God.\u201d And God is like, \u201cGo back.\u201d And I would go back. I would just hear the Holy Spirit just showing me again, \u201cDon't give up, keep fighting. Keep pressing in.\u201d And he was doing all he could do after the leg and everything to rebuild trust. He had accountability. He had men in his life. He was doing everything necessary. But there was still forgiving doesn\u2019t cause you to forget. And it would take years, years for me to go look back and say, \u201cOkay, the way that God did this, I can look back and say I'd be willing to do this again, God, because you brought us through and You are a great restorer.\u201d \r\n\r\nAnd so we like to say that even when you look at the Navarro house, you see the painted walls and the beautiful decor, but you can never really know that behind those walls, we were a fixer upper. We really were. And God really came in and restored the ruins of our marriage. And He painted us with grace. He sanded us down with just chiseling away at character flaws inside of us. And so God brought us to a process. There is, I don't know if there's any other questions, but that's kind of like\u2014\r\n\r\nDave (00:52:40):\r\n\r\nNo, I mean, I was just thinking, I can't remember the name of the show, but you know it on HGTV where it's either Flip the House or buy a new one. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nIt's Love It or List It. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nYeah. Love It or List It. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nWe watch that.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nI love that show. I love that show. And it is sort of what you're describing. I think there's couples listening and they're like, \u201cDo I want to love it?\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:52:56):\r\n\r\nI don't know. I want to leave it and go get the new thing.\r\n\r\nDave (00:52:59):\r\n\r\nThat's List It. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nYeah. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nIt's like, I'm done with him. I'm going to find a better man. I'm going to find a better woman. And you were there thinking, \u201cThis man has really hurt me.\u201d And she hurt you too. I think couples are right there, and they don't know what to do. And you're saying don't list it.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:53:17):\r\n\r\nDon't list it.\r\n\r\nDave (00:53:18):\r\n\r\nLove it.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:53:18):\r\n\r\nAs I'm listening to you too, you guys, and I think this is why it's good to tell your story or write your story or share your story because you have these intersections where God just shows up big time, really big, kind of miraculous at times.\r\n\r\nDave (00:53:33):\r\n\r\nAnd yours are pretty bigger than most people.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:53:35):\r\n\r\nBut\r\n\r\nDave (00:53:36):\r\n\r\n\u201cLord, break his leg.\u201d Wow.\r\n\r\n(00:53:41):\r\n\r\nI have a dream. She looks like this. She drives this car. What in the world.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:53:43):\r\n\r\nTony, I'd be so afraid if I were you, honestly. But then you're raising kids and you're working and you're trying to make money. So that is life. God's intersecting us all the time, but we're still in the midst of the mess. And so for you guys to not give up, because it'd just be so easy, even though God kept showing up.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:54:08):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:54:08):\r\n\r\nIt would've been easy just to be like, \u201cIt's just too hard.\u201d\r\n\r\nLymari (00:54:12):\r\n\r\nI think about this idea of, we had history.\r\n\r\nTony (00:54:15):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:54:15):\r\n\r\nWe had children.\r\n\r\n(00:54:16):\r\n\r\nI said, sometimes we could be so blinded with our pain. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nAnd emotions. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nAnd the emotions that we're like; I want to trade this in for a new car. But not realizing that we need a telescopic vision that sees more than what's in front of us. And there's something about, there's a scripture, Psalm 73, where the psalmist is looking at everything around him. And he said nothing made sense until he got into the sanctuary\u2014\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\n\u2014sanctuary of God, yep.\r\n\r\n\u2014of God. And he was able to have a perspective. And I think God continued to give us sanctuary of God moments where we can see this is bigger than you guys. There's something here that the enemy is after and so we were able to fight. There's one point in our story where Tony had gone through a deep depression. He's recovering and he tried taking his life. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nTony, was that after you broke your leg?\r\n\r\nTony (00:55:11):\r\n\r\nYeah, that was me being at home, isolated.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:55:13):\r\n\r\nTake us there.\r\n\r\nTony (00:55:16):\r\n\r\nMind was running rampant with all types of stuff. I started taking a lot more of what I should with the pain medicine and all that and just feeling useless, feeling hopeless, feeling at the place again where the value of Tony is gone. It's depleted. Better off that I'm not here. But Lymari really, even in that moment when I tried taking my life, she said something. I told her, \u201cI feel like a Judas. I just betrayed everyone, betrayed the Lord.\u201d She's like, \u201cNo, you're Peter and God's not done with you. He's going to build on you.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (00:55:50):\r\n\r\nLamari, take us back to when Tony's in depression, he becomes suicidal. What was going on in your head with that? Cause it's when our spouse is really struggling with depression or any kind of suicidal ideation, that\u2019s I think we don't know what to do and we feel helpless.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:56:09):\r\n\r\nI think for me, because I was still healing from my heartbreak. I didn't see he had slipped into a depression. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nYou couldn't see it. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nI couldn't see it until I found him on that bathroom floor and when I saw him there. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nSo you walked in the bathroom? \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nI walked in. He had a noose. He had blacked out and had just come to, and I saw him there and I said, \u201cWhat are you doing?\u201d And he's crying and he says, \u201cI'm Judas.\u201d And God had given me a picture early on in our marriage, him speaking to a stadium sized room of the goodness of God. So it's almost like God gave me words and I said, \u201cYou're not Judas, you're Peter and Peter built God's church,\u201d and he came back and I looked at Tony. I could have knocked him down with my words. I could have destroyed the man that I love. But for the first time I thought, \u201cI love this man. And as much as I can't stand him, I love him. And the enemy's a bully and he's trying to kill him. He's trying to destroy him.\u201d And I started to take my complaints to the Lord and stop taking them to Tony.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:57:19):\r\n\r\nThat's so good.\r\n\r\nLymari (00:57:20):\r\n\r\nAnd a lot of prayer, a lot of journaling, a lot of writing out what I wanted God to do in my marriage. And I saw God's hand and the things that\u2014Tony was already riddled with guilt. I was just reminding him of the shame he felt.\r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nYou're heaping it on. \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nI was just heaping it on. And that moment, seeing him there, almost losing him, God shifted me and he said, \u201cNo, we're not doing this anymore. You're going to love him. You're going to be who I've called you to be and I need you to pray because there's more power in prayer than in your nagging and reminders.\u201d\r\n\r\nTony (00:57:57):\r\n\r\nGod was still showing us no to keep going and we wanted to make it work. I don't think we had the right plan for it to work. And the big picture, like Lymari shares a lot about having this telescopic and microscopic vision, but we didn't have the telescopic one. We didn't know how\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn (00:58:18):\r\n\r\nYou didn\u2019t have that lens. \r\n\r\nTony (00:58:19):\r\n\r\n\u2014are we going to get there? How are we going to get that lens? So when we were at the first, I keep calling it the WTR, but it\u2019s the I Still Do conference. That's when we saw the bigger picture. Like wow, there's legacy involved. The kids are involved. The reason why Dad you make these sacrifices is for this the wife, how we have different roles. We still have the same value. I mean how we surrender to the Lord, right. We submit to Him, wife and I mean all this, it was just, it was blowing my mind. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nWe felt like that too. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nI've never heard this stuff.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:58:53):\r\n\r\nWhat? This is the purpose. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nAnd we were growing individually. She was growing in her relationship with God. I started growing in my relationship with Lord, but we still couldn't figure out how to grow together, how to make this grow together. And so leaving there is where I really just jumped on board and with that and I'm like, \u201cLord, I am all in, man. I'm all in for this.\u201d But it really though that changed, that shifted something, that gave me purpose. It gave me clarity. And from there, I think it's when we really started to see strides of consistency that we started having more wins than losses. And here that's who we are today.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:59:32):\r\n\r\nGuys, talk about a spiritual battle. Tony, God saved your life.\r\n\r\nDave (00:59:38):\r\n\r\nAnd even talk about the power of the tongue.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:59:41):\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nDave (00:59:41):\r\n\r\nLife and death\u2014\r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\n\u2014is in the tongue.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\n\u2014is in power of tongue. Proverbs 18:21, he's here because you said, \u201cYou're Peter.\u201d Wives, are you hearing this? And it goes both ways. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nHusbands too.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nHusbands. Either way, it's like, man, you have the ability to speak life into your man and your woman.\r\n\r\nAnn (00:59:56):\r\n\r\nAnd to see the greatness in that moment. God gave you a future look. And he had already done that giving you that vision of him speaking to so many people. And man, when we're spending time with God, we get those. We get those pictures of our spouse. Otherwise we have our own picture of how our spouse has failed. And that's why I think it's so critical that we're with God. We're saying, \u201cGod, show me the greatness in my spouse. Show me the future for my spouse.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave (01:00:26):\r\n\r\nHow about\u2014your kids know this story.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:00:28):\r\n\r\nThey know the story. What's cool is we'll share our story. And our kids are our biggest advocates. They're like, \u201cYou know what? You guys got to talk to my mom and dad. You got to hear their story.\u201d And they'll send other couples to us. For our kids, we've allowed our kids\u2014and of course age appropriately\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn (01:00:49):\r\n\r\nHow old are your kids now?\r\n\r\nLymari (01:00:50):\r\n\r\nSo now we have, some of them are in the thirties. We have\u2014\r\n\r\nTony (01:00:56):\r\n\r\nThe rest are in their twenties.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:00:57):\r\n\r\n\u2014a 20-year-old and our youngest is 22. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nSo how many kids? \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nWe have five adult kids, two grandbabies, married 28 years.\r\n\r\n(01:01:06):\r\n\r\nAnd they love to hear our story. And what it is, is you allow them to peek into the hand of God. The Bible in Deuteronomy says tell it to your children, pass it down, put it on your doorpost, you put it on your gates. And I think we've been able to share with our kids that God has brought us from some stuff. And so now to see our kids walking with the Lord, they love the Lord. They serve in different capacities, but it's not because we hid things from them. We didn't hide our junk. We told them we were a mess. We needed Jesus. And so they know that we really are a miracle, a miracle.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:01:54):\r\n\r\nYou've changed your entire legacy, thinking about these two young kids in Chicago.\r\n\r\nDave (01:02:00):\r\n\r\nAnd the legacy that was handed to you ended. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nYeah. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nThe darkness stopped.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:02:05):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nDave (01:02:06):\r\n\r\nYou said\u2014I've been crying this whole speaking interview. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nMe too!\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nAnother question would be how'd you end up\u2014now you're speaking for FamilyLife. How'd that happen?\r\n\r\nTony (01:02:18):\r\n\r\nWell, so at the church that we were serving at in Chicago, our pastors were part of the team, the speaking team and they called us. They said, \u201cHey, we put your names in for referral, and you probably will be expecting a call soon or email.\u201d So we did. We got a call and we said, \u201cYes, absolutely.\u201d But we were crying because we were like, I don't know if every speaker does that, but for us, we were crying because full circle, we were still believing like \u201cGod, you would have us now\u201d\u2014\r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\n\u2014with our mess. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\n\u2014\"start to share.\u201d \r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nWe are not qualified. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nAnd I'm not saying that anybody in the speaker team even feels that way because there's great people and they're just humble about their flaws and what God has done in their life. But for us it was just the meaning of it. And so we said yes. And then it took about the two-year part, it was two years for the whole, I guess, I don\u2019t know what the trial period is, but the first year\u2014\r\n\r\nLymari (01:03:17):\r\n\r\n\u2014training.\r\n\r\nDave (01:03:17):\r\n\r\nThere was no training when we joined the team.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:03:20):\r\n\r\nI heard you guys got cassettes or something.\r\n\r\nDave (01:03:22):\r\n\r\nWe did! Literally cassettes. There was no video. You put it in, you push the button, you rewind. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nIt was 1989.\r\n\r\nTony (01:03:31):\r\n\r\nWow.\r\n\r\nDave (01:03:32):\r\n\r\nYeah, we don't even want to know how old you were. Okay.\r\n\r\nTony (01:03:34):\r\n\r\nThere was a lot of material in tapes back then though. But yeah, we said yes and praise God, they kept us on the team. But the first year we got a chance to see Bob Lepine and Dennis Rainey and Barbara, all the people, Crawford, Loritts, all these people that kind of impacted us.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:03:53):\r\n\r\nImpacted our lives.\r\n\r\nTony (01:03:54):\r\n\r\nAnd don't realize, I mean I know they get responses from people, but I am hanging on to the words you're saying. You know what I mean? I'm listening and I'm doing the things that you're saying to do. And so it was great. I got a chance to share some of that with Bob before he left the team. But again, it's been just a full circle moment from the Lord. But from the time that we started, we went to our first love\u2014I Still Do\u2014again, we were kind of just slopping it up. We wanted to just help out every couple. We saw the value of marriages and the lack of resources for marriages. And so we were just doing that. And so even at our church that we were part of just helping out the pastor there, which is great friends of ours as well and they're on the speaker team. Just like, \u201cWe'll work with anybody you need us to work with. We'll help them out.\u201d \r\n\r\nAnd we're still doing that today. I mean we're still at the local church. We believe that that's where it really works out and we love the local church. We're always pushing people towards that. You said something earlier Ann. We were talking about how when I drifted, I was drifting away was even in the daily disciplines. And there's people that do that and still go into sin. But for me it's not just preventative, it's the fact that if I'm going to life, I need life.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:05:17):\r\n\r\nMe too.\r\n\r\nTony (01:05:18):\r\n\r\nSo reading from the word of life, that's living. It's like I need it because I know Tony. I know where my mind goes. I know where my heart goes, I know all that and I need this. If I don't have this, I can't live. I can't survive. And so when it becomes your everyday need for food, you have to do it. And so it's been a great journey because we both get a chance to talk to each other daily about, what God is showing you, what's fresh, how's the word going? And that's been a big part of our marriage as well to process those types of talks. But being able to share our story and being able to walk with couples and being able to see couples rip up the papers of divorce on these weekends or to just feel like they're closer than they were when they came in on Friday, I think is just a testimony of the vision and the power of God in that.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:06:08):\r\n\r\nAnd it's interesting because when we got the phone call to be part of the FamilyLife speaker team, we were sitting in our office where we meet with couples. We like to say we've been healed and so healed people can be healers. And so we've been able to walk with couples, see couples go from one place to the next to see them thriving. And when we got that call, we turn around and on our bookshelf is a small covenant where we signed it, 2002 Weekend to Remember at the I Still Do. And we thought, \u201cWow, God, look at this full circle moment.\u201d \r\n\r\nAnd then we had another moment when we got to the hotel, when we were about to speak and share on the sexual intimacy talk during our training. And we just got to the bedside, and we got on our knees and we said, \u201cGod, you're redeeming the very area where the enemy almost destroyed us. And now we're going out to the ballroom to tell people that there's hope.\u201d And we just stood at that bedside and we said, \u201cWhat a holy moment of seeing God redeem.\u201d And so we were able to go out there and share. And so many couples are impacted. Just the idea that you guys were there and you're here now, that we're a picture, if God can do it for us, He can do it for them.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:07:38):\r\n\r\nAbsolutely.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:07:39):\r\n\r\nAnd we can see how God is getting the full glory out of this. People can see what He has done. And so that's really what we are. We're a display of His splendor, of His grace, of what He can do when you just say, \u201cGod, I need you.\u201d \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nThat's so good.\r\n\r\nDave (01:08:00):\r\n\r\nAnd we say this at every Weekend to Remember; that's God's dream for every marriage. From isolation to oneness but that's not where it ends. To impact, God wants to do something in us, but then\u2014 \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\n\u2014through us.\r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\n\u2014through us. And I mean I think so often\u2014I've been a pastor for 40 some years\u2014so often people, even at church, when you share your sins and struggles in front of them, they still think you're perfect because you\u2019re the pastor.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:08:24):\r\n\r\n\u2014whoever's on stage.\r\n\r\nDave (01:08:25):\r\n\r\nAnd so they're almost afraid when they come to you to really say what the darkness is in their life that they're struggling with. I don't think that's true of you guys. When they hear your story, it opens the door for people to go, \u201cI can be honest with them. They've been in the dark, and they are now living a different life.\u201d So thank you. My goodness, what a beautiful story.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:08:48):\r\n\r\nAnd you guys it's so evident of the enemy's pursuit of you and his destruction for your marriage. I don't think most of us are aware that there is an enemy and it's not your spouse and he wants to kill, steal and destroy your marriage, your legacy, your children each other. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nAnd he almost did.\r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nYour very life, your very life. And I look at you and think, no wonder the battle was so fierce over your lives. Do you see that? How it was like the enemy is hounding you your entire lives? Couples that feel like, \u201cOh man, we're in that right now. We\u2019re so in the middle of it and we don't know what to do. How do we break free from that?\u201d\r\n\r\nLymari (01:09:35):\r\n\r\nYeah, I'll let you.\r\n\r\nTony (01:09:39):\r\n\r\nI think of a word that Lymari shares\u2014we talk about this with couples is let's start with a fresh surrender. Because what happens is we start to take on things. I think we're gatherers by nature. I think we just gather all kinds of stuff, information, stuff we see, stuff we buy, we\u2019re just gatherers by nature. And I feel like there's a fresh surrender of acknowledging where you're at in your despair, acknowledging who God is and what He can do, and then submitting onto God's plan and His power. Because there's sometimes a place where for me still, it's like I can get into these stretches of my own strength.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:10:19):\r\n\r\nWe all can.\r\n\r\nTony (01:10:20):\r\n\r\nWe all can do that, right? And it's like repenting of that and saying, \u201cLord, I've been doing this on my own.\u201d\r\n\r\n(01:10:26):\r\n\r\n\u201cAnd you are King of Kings,\u201d right? \u201cI'm following. You're leading right. Holy Spirit, I need your power to help me live this out.\u201d And so I think that's a great way to start with a fresh surrender, fresh dedication back to the Lord and letting Him, what's the next step? Right. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nThat's good.\r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nBecause I think with couples that are right in it too, they're looking too far in both directions and He's a lamp unto your feet. And so what's the next step today that I can do, that I can do, not my spouse can do, but that I can do to walk in obedience with you and to walk in the direction that's going to help our oneness versus keep pulling us in isolation. Because you can't control our spouse. We can't control.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:11:11):\r\n\r\nWe've all tried; it doesn\u2019t work.\r\n\r\nTony (01:11:12):\r\n\r\nYeah, we tried. But it's really just, again, a fresh surrender for you and a fresh surrender for your spouse and just doing what God tells you to do or has for you to do that day because it does take steps of obedience that you can see. I just walked three miles, but man, getting on that treadmill, I feel like I've been walking down here for hours and I'm only getting one mile, but it's really the next step, next step of obedience to keep moving in that direction that's helped me and still to this day where I'm looking at too many things, I'm like, what's my next step? What do I need to do today to help me?\r\n\r\nAnn (01:11:47):\r\n\r\nI do that every morning when I wake up. \u201cGod, I re-surrender today. Give me your eyes, your ears, your mouth, your tongue.\u201d And that has to become a habit or else we just live according to our own desires and our flesh. What would you say about that, Lymari?\r\n\r\nLymari (01:12:02):\r\n\r\nI think it is true. I think the God of the universe, He's in control of all things and He can do anything He wants, but He's a God of relationship.\r\n\r\n(01:12:14):\r\n\r\nAnd so He walks with us in the valley, He walks us through the valley, but He wants you to know Him coming out of it. And so I feel like pain and the trials that we have gone through has been God's invitation to know Him more. And I think if you're in the middle of your pain, look up to God and say, \u201cGod, I need you to take over. I can't do this alone, and I can't do it on my own strength.\u201d Sometimes He watches us trying and striving and fighting and then He's like, \u201cOkay, just ask me. Just invite me in. Just tag team. Come on, tag me in.\u201d And we're fighting Him. And the minute we're like, \u201cOkay, God, I can't do this anymore. I need you,\u201d He steps in and He does what we cannot do in human effort. And God can do so much through our surrender, more than He can with our striving. And so what I've seen is surrender and trust the Lord. He's the God that can be trusted. And one thing we can say is that you're going to look back one day and you're going to see God's fingerprints all over your life. It's usually He moves the best when our fingerprints are not in it.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:13:33):\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:13:34):\r\n\r\nI've just seen God do exceedingly more than we could expect from Him, but He is a God that wants to be invited into it. And then don't do it alone. We needed a community. We needed people who were in our corner fighting for us, who were praying for us, friends that were telling me, \u201cLymari, go back in the fight and keep on fighting for your marriage.\u201d He needed men that told him, \u201cGo back in there and love her and don't give up.\u201d And so we need community. If you just think about who are the circle of people surrounding your marriage, like a force field, right? They can surround you through prayer, through just examples. If you don't have that, get that because you need that. So yeah. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nThat's good.\r\n\r\nDave (01:14:26):\r\n\r\nYeah, I always say you need the power of God, you need the people of God.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:14:30):\r\n\r\nYes.\r\n\r\nDave (01:14:31):\r\n\r\nYou need both. I mean, in some ways all I need is the power of God. Yeah, that is true. But he's created us in such a way. You need a community. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nAbsolutely. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nThey need to be surrounded. And man, I just want to say this. If you've lost hope, He's the God of resurrection. He resurrected this marriage; He can resurrect yours. And I know you're thinking \u201cIf my husband would just, or my wife,\u201d it's not about them. It's about you. And I would say get their book Ruin to Renewal. It's on our website, FamilyLifeToday.com; in the show notes, click it there. Here's what I'd say, \u201cGet it for you, but get 10 more.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn (01:15:06):\r\n\r\nOh yeah.\r\n\r\nDave (01:15:07):\r\n\r\nBecause somebody that has lost hope, this book will help them find hope in Jesus.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:15:11):\r\n\r\nI've never done this before, but let's start this way. Tony, I want you to turn just to Lymari and tell her what you love about her.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:15:23):\r\n\r\nYou're trying to make us cry, Ann.\r\n\r\nTony (01:15:24):\r\n\r\nThere's so many things though. There's so many things. I don't want to say it in the spiritual answer, but the one thing that I could say I really love, respect and encouraged by is your fear of God is how much of a relationship that you have with Him. That you're so obedient to what He has for you on a daily basis. You say things to me out of just respect and love, but I know that you fear him more than anything, more than me, and you don't fear me at all. But it's just the fact that you just have that relationship component that I think is missing in a lot. But I love that about you. Can I say more things?\r\n\r\nAnn (01:16:11):\r\n\r\nYeah.\r\n\r\nTony (01:16:11):\r\n\r\nI love how you do have an eye for beautiful things. I love your laugh. I love the fact that you change the room when you laugh. I love how intentional you are; that when we are together, the parts that I miss that you always get to point those out, not at me, but address those things when we're talking to somebody or just in the moment. I love how you still have a tag on the heart of our kids and that when I'm not realizing what's going on, you're like, no, there's something else happening. And that I love the fact that our kids like you. They love you. Their kids love to talk to you. And I'm grateful that you've established our relationship with them as well. And I thank you that you are patient with me, and you allow me to figure things out and fail at the same time. And I thank you for that, that I have a safe place to be myself, to be transparent with you and to be encouraged by you. I love you.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:17:08):\r\n\r\nSo good. Okay, Lymari.\r\n\r\nLymari:\r\n\r\nHe just filled up my love tank.\r\n\r\nTony (01:17:16):\r\n\r\nIt's not much.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:17:18):\r\n\r\nNo, there's a lot. I love that you're tender to the Lord, that you hear from him, that you pray with me, that you call me now and you pray in the morning, that you ask me, \u201cWhat is God showing you?\u201d I love that you're a wonderful, wonderful dad and that you're great grandpa. And I just think about our babies, our little ones running through the house and how that could have been destroyed. I love that you're a chain breaker; that you fought to break chains. I love that you're a builder. I love what you said before is that you were a destroyer, but now you're a builder. That you build legacy, that you build homes, that you build tables, that you build anything that you put your heart to. And I love that you're a hard worker. I love that you believe in me and that you're always telling me to chase my dreams. And I love that you serve us like Christ served the church and loved the church. And so I love you.\r\n\r\nTony (01:18:34):\r\n\r\nThank you. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nI don't know the last time you as a listener have done that to your spouse, but it's a big deal because we take for granted sometimes one another, and we see the greatness, and we don't always say it. So just to see you guys do that and see where God's taken you from the very beginning of your story is miraculous. What a gift you've been to us. Thank you.\r\n\r\nDave (01:18:57):\r\n\r\nYeah, thank you. \r\n\r\nTony:\r\n\r\nThank you, guys.\r\n\r\nLymari (01:18:59):\r\n\r\nThank you, guys.\r\n\r\nTony (01:19:00):\r\n\r\nIt\u2019s been a pleasure and an honor.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:19:01):\r\n\r\nLot of tears. I don't think I've cried so much in a long time.\r\n\r\nTony (01:19:05):\r\n\r\nThere were a lot of tears.\r\n\r\nAnn (01:19:07):\r\n\r\nIt was so good. \r\n\r\nHey, thanks for watching and if you liked this episode\u2014 \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nYou better like it. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\n\u2014just hit that like button.\r\n\r\nDave (01:19:14):\r\n\r\nAnd we'd like you to subscribe. So all you got to do is go down and hit the subscribe\u2014I can't say the word subscribe. Hit the subscribe button. I don't think I can say this word. \r\n\r\nAnn:\r\n\r\nLike and subscribe. \r\n\r\nDave:\r\n\r\nLook at that. You say it so easy. Subscribe. There it goes.\r\n\r\nFamilyLife Today is a donor-supported production of FamilyLife\u00ae, a Cru\u00ae Ministry. \r\n\r\nHelping you pursue the relationships that matter most.\r\n\r\nIf you\u2019ve benefited from the FamilyLife Today transcripts, would you consider donating today to help defray the costs of producing them and making them available online?\r\n\r\nCopyright \u00a9 2025 FamilyLife. All rights reserved.\r\n\r\nwww.FamilyLife.com\n","theme_header_position":"","post_header_is_sticky":"","is_header_overlay":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast\/317355","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/podcast"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/47000"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=317355"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/312569"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=317355"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=317355"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=317355"},{"taxonomy":"podcast_series","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast_series?post=317355"},{"taxonomy":"cwp_profile","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/cwp_profile?post=317355"},{"taxonomy":"series","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/series?post=317355"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}