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[Laughter] Where are you listening from? \r\n\r\nAnn: You know that we\u2019re from Detroit.\r\n\r\nDave: \u201cMotor City.\u201d \r\n\r\nAnn: Shelby is in the Philly area, and our FamilyLife Today headquarters is in Orlando. \r\n\r\nDave: So, we\u2019re coming to you guys from all over the country, but what about you? We would love to know if you\u2019re in one of those areas or where else you consider home. \r\n\r\nAnn: Text FLT plus where you are listening from to 80542 to let us know. Again, you\u2019re going to text FLT plus where you are listening from to 80542. \r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0I was nine years old when my anxiety first started. It was just this feeling of being worried, but it was a worry that I couldn\u2019t get rid of, and it was a stress that I couldn't get rid of. But to be sitting there and find out: \u201cWell, no, this is an anxiety disorder,\u201d was so much more frustrating than I could have prepared myself for.\r\n\r\nShelby: Welcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on the FamilyLife app.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0This is\u00a0FamilyLife Today.\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Alright, let\u2019s talk about the last time you experienced\u00a0real\u00a0anxiety.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0This morning.\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0This morning? That wasn\u2019t anxiety; that was\u00a0anger.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0It was\u00a0both, actually.\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Go ahead and tell them.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0You have not been feeling well. I was going to bed last night, knowing you\u2019re sick. I had this water beside the sink because I take my vitamins every night. I took the water, and I thought, \u201cIf Dave wakes up in the middle of the night, he\u2019s going to drink my water; and then I\u2019m going to get sick if he drinks from my glass.\u201d So, I took my cup\u2014it had ice and water in it\u2014and I put it in the\u00a0closet.\r\n\r\nNext morning, I was drinking out of that cup. I took my vitamins again. I was walking around the house with the cup, and Dave said to me, \u201cThat\u2019s not your cup, is it?\u201d \r\n\r\nI said, \u201cWhat do you mean? It\u2019s\u00a0always\u00a0my cup, yes.\u201d \r\n\r\nHe said, \u201cOh, well, I drank out of it last night.\u201d \r\n\r\nI said, \u201cIt was in the closet! Why would you go\u2014?\"\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Yes, I wondered why it was in the closet, like, \u201cWhere\u2019s her cup? Oh, it\u2019s in the closet,\u201d [Gulping sound] I drank it when took my NyQuil\u00ae.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0And then why wouldn\u2019t you tell me, \u201cHey, I drank from your cup?\u201d\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0I did think, \u201cWhy is this cup in a closet, with ice?\u201d I thought you put it there for me. [I thought], \u201cHow considerate of my wife to put a little glass of water\u2026\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0I don\u2019t even understand. [Laughter]\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Anyway, we\u2019re bringing all of this up, because we\u2019ve got a guest in the studio today. Jamie Grace is with us at\u00a0FamilyLife Today. Welcome to\u00a0FamilyLife Today, Jamie.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0I\u2019m now convinced that is the perfect Lifetime movie intro. [Laughter]\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Jamie\u2019s written a book called\u00a0Finding Quiet: My Journey to Peace in an Anxious World. That\u2019s why I brought up this anxiety thing. Jamie\u2019s written this\u00a0crazy\u00a0great book about it; finding peace in the middle of anxiety.\r\n\r\nI know a lot of our listeners know who you are, Jamie, but I did not know\u2014two-time Grammy nominated songwriter, singer, actress. I went online last night. [Guitar playing] \r\n\r\nJamie: Yes. \r\n\r\nDave: Is this one that was nominated? \r\n\r\nJamie: Look at you. Yes.\r\n\r\nDave: I always wanted to\u2014\r\n\r\nJamie: \u2014oh, you have the strumming down. That\u2019s really good.\r\n\r\nDave: \u2014to be Toby Mac. [Singing]\r\n\r\nAnn: But, Jamie, you really are gifted in a lot of different ways.\r\n\r\nJamie: Thank you so much. \r\n\r\nAnn: It\u2019s really fun to have you on, because you\u2019re fun to be around. But what you\u2019ve written about\u2014man, it\u2019s something a lot of us face and we deal with, especially in [this] day and age\u2014with your subtitle:\u00a0My Journey to Peace in an Anxious World.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Yes.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0When I talk to you, I think, \u201cYou\u2019re so positive! You\u2019re really upbeat; you\u2019re really fun.\u201d But this is something that you\u2019ve really struggled with and dealt with. So, take us back to: where did this all start?\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0It\u2019s definitely a journey, as you said, and as I mention in the book, I get quite frustrated that it\u2019s a journey at times. I\u2019m a very pro-therapy person. I was literally talking with my therapist last week; she\u2019s so cool. We were just talking, and I mentioned something. She said, \u201cOh, I think this could be you might be worried about \u2018X, Y, Z\u2019.\u201d \r\n\r\nI looked at her, and I said, \u201cOh, no. I\u2019ve already dealt with that. [Laughter] I dealt with that like five years ago in therapy, so I\u2019m good.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0Yes.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0She and I just got into this almost comical conversation about [how], sometimes, we forget that it is a journey. We forget that, sometimes, we might have this anxiety about something, and then we feel better about it, and it\u2019s like, \u201cOkay, I don\u2019t have to deal with that anymore;\u201d but then something comes up, and all of a sudden, we\u2019re thinking about that anxiety again.\r\n\r\nThat started for me as a kid. I was nine years old when my anxiety first started. It was just this feeling of being worried, but it was a worry that I couldn\u2019t get rid of, and it was a stress that I couldn't get rid of. I am a pastor\u2019s kid. My mom and dad started our church when I was about two years old. I grew up in church, and I had, even at nine years old, I had a very significant confidence in Jesus.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0I love [that] you start your book, you say, \u201cWhen I was seven, I made a decision to love Jesus for the rest of my life,\u201d\u2014\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0\u2014yes.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0\u2014\"and when I was eleven, I was diagnosed with anxiety.\u201d\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Yes; to be sitting there and find out, \u201cWell, no, this is an anxiety disorder\u201d was so much more frustrating than I could have prepared myself for; because as a follower of Jesus, you kind of, at least as a kid, just the practicality of, \u201cOh, you pray for something, and God helps you with it,\u201d or \u201cOh, you need something, and the Bible gives you the tools to deal with it,\u201d and that\u2019s just kind of how it works. [Laughter]\r\n\r\nSo, having a generalized anxiety disorder is literally like being almost given this pass to: \u201cOh, no. You\u2019re going to be panicking about stuff a lot.\u201d This has crossed the threshold of an everyday awkward and has moved into: \u201cWe can actually show you that chemical imbalance in your brain,\u201d and worry is, unfortunately, a part of your everyday life.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0Yes. What did it look like? You say \u201cworry.\u201d\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0It would be from my mom [saying] something like, \u201cOkay,\u201d\u2014so we were homeschooled, right? \u2014my mom would say, \u201cOkay, so we\u2019re going to hop in the car, and we\u2019re going to do a field trip today. We\u2019re going to go to a museum and learn about \u2018X, Y, Z\u2019.\u201d \r\n\r\nWithin 30 seconds, my mind already processed these statistics that can happen of car accidents in the car and processed [thoughts] like, \u201cOkay, what could happen if we get to the museum, and I can\u2019t remember everything that I learned? Am I not smart enough? Am I not good enough?\u201d and like, \u201cOh, am I homeschooled because I can\u2019t go to regular school like everybody else, because I don\u2019t have any friends? Oh, nobody likes me.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0Wow!\r\n\r\nJamie: \u201cOh, my dad\u2019s not here because my dad\u2019s at work. Oh, because we don\u2019t have a lot of money, even though my dad works a whole lot, and my dad can never work enough to really take care of the family; but that\u2019s not nice to say, because Dad works really hard.\u201d\r\n\r\nWithin 30 to 60 seconds, every possible dramatic and awful scenario would just start mentally taking a toll on me.\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Yes; the way you just said that, it felt like we were in your head.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Yes.\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0It felt like that noise. Is that the noise you\u2019re talking about?\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0All day! It\u2019s all day. I\u2019m almost 30 now. I\u2019m very grown and wise, and so, I\u2019ve learned some really helpful tools to help silence that noise, but it\u2019s a conscious choice to fight that noise. It\u2019s a conscious choice to allow that quiet to happen.\r\n\r\nI think, even though I have generalized anxiety disorder, I think\u2014oh, I know for a fact that\u2014even people\u00a0without it\u00a0have anxiety, and have worry, and have fear. We have to consciously choose to trust in the Lord that the anxiety that\u2019s happening in our mind is, oftentimes, a liar, you know? And trust the quiet that we are having a hard time procuring is the very thing that we need.\r\n\r\nIt\u2019s a lot of active reacting on a daily basis for me to combat the anxiety that happens naturally. Then, in addition to that, at 11, I was diagnosed with a tic disorder called Tourette\u2019s syndrome, which is a movement disorder causing uncontrollable movements and sounds called tics. \r\n\r\nThen also, obsessive-compulsive disorder, OCD, which is similar to anxiety, but basically causes more\u00a0actions\u00a0than thoughts; so repetitive counting of something, or tapping, or moving; repetitive pursuing of textures. If I see a texture, I need to feel [it]. [I think], \u201cOh I need to go figure out what that is!\u201d Or a texture that I just\u00a0cannot\u00a0touch, I\u2019m like, \u201cIf that blanket comes near me, I will probably cry.\u201d [Laughter]\r\n\r\nThen also ADHD, which is attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, which really just affected all the other. [Laughter] It\u2019s a lot, you know?\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0That is a lot.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0It\u2019s a lot. I was 11. Sometimes, I look back, and I think, \u201cKid, were you okay?\u201d [Laughter]\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0Yes. Well, I\u2019m thinking of our listeners that have kids that, maybe, have had some of those diagnoses. \r\n\r\nJamie: Yes.\r\n\r\nAnn: Or maybe\u00a0they\u2019re\u00a0dealing with anxiety and depression. And yet, to look at you on the outside, I would\u00a0never\u00a0know\u00a0any\u00a0of that. [Laughter] Plus, you\u2019re super successful, you\u2019re doing a ton, and you\u2019re young.\r\n\r\nSo, age 11, there you were\u2014you had these crazy diagnoses with a lot of different things. Then what?\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0The first thing was relief. My symptoms really were at their heaviest when I was nine\u2014well, between nine and fifteen\u2014but the onset of them was like nine years old when the tics were really bad. I was constantly squeezing my hands, my feet. Some of my tics were, oftentimes, injuring myself. I would be in the car, hitting my head on the window. The way that my legs and arms would flail would\u2014oftentimes, I would hit myself or hit myself in the stomach. \r\n\r\nAgain, these things are all uncontrollable. It\u2019s just the way\u2014if you\u2019re nerdy like me, and you\u2019re like, \u201cOh, how does it happen?\u201d The neurons in my brain that are supposed to signal to do things; there\u2019s a little mix up in the wiring. We live in an imperfect world. These things happen, unfortunately. The main thing was my tics, so getting that diagnosis was such a relief, because it felt like, \u201cOh, there\u2019s a word. There\u2019s an understanding.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0\u201cThere\u2019s a reason.\u201d\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Yes, exactly.\r\n\r\nI, like a lot of other kids\u2014I mean, statistically, this is just much more\u2014but I dealt with things like asthma, as a kid, which is pretty common. I had an inhaler just in case I needed it. It wasn\u2019t too bad by the time I was in middle school. So, getting my diagnosis of everything else was kind of exciting, because in my head, I was like, \u201cOh, I\u2019m going to get, I guess, like an inhaler for Tourette\u2019s.\u201d I don\u2019t know! [Laughter] I had never heard these words before, but I assumed they would give me some medication.\r\n\r\nBut my relief, it dissipated so quickly, because I just remember my neurologist sitting there and saying to my mom, \u201cHey, just so you know, there\u2019s no cure for any of this stuff. There\u2019s not even medication for it. There are medications that we can try, but nothing is, for sure going to work.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0And then, even, the medications you were on\u2014that was\u00a0rough.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0They were\u00a0horrible. I feel so much for parents that are still going through this today with their children because\u2014now, don\u2019t get me wrong, there\u2019s been so much research and study; we\u2019ve grown so much in the medical community; I\u2019m so grateful for all the people that have put in the work, but\u2014if you are a parent of a child dealing with illness, that\u2019s a full-time job.\r\n\r\nI\u2019m so grateful for my parents because they fought for me relentlessly. I would try one medication, and it would have me dealing with things like hallucinations, or sleeping day after day after day, or not sleeping at all, or just complete loss of my personality. I was on a heart monitor at one time because one of the medications was affecting my heart, and the payoff just wasn\u2019t worth it. The benefits of the medication, rather; it just wasn\u2019t worth it. It was miserable.\r\n\r\nIt\u2019s tough because, like you said, a lot of times when people meet me or if they see me, nine times out of ten my hair is purple or pink. There\u2019s always something\u2014\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0\u2014it\u2019s a little of both right now.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Yes. [Laughter]\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0It\u2019s so cool.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Thank you. It\u2019s always elaborate; always something going on. I think, sometimes, I\u2019m overcompensating for that childhood situation that I went through, because it was horrendous; this five-to-seven-year gap in my life, where I was miserable. It was awful; I was very depressed.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0Tell us about your mom, who was fighting for you, and even your dad.\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Yes, I\u2019d love to know: \u201cDid they ever lose it? Were they always patient?\u201d I\u2019m just thinking, if I\u2019m in the car and my son is banging his head on the window, there might have been times, where I\u2019d [have said], \u201cCan you just stop that?\u201d \r\n\r\nJamie: Yes.\r\n\r\nDave: But obviously, it\u2019s a medical condition.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0Or as mom, I\u2019m crying. I\u2019m thinking, \u201cLord, what are we going to\u00a0do?\u201d\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0I\u00a0don\u2019t\u00a0know how they did it; I\u00a0don\u2019t. I don\u2019t know how they do it\u00a0now. I mean, I still have\u00a0stuff. Just think about the very stereotypical dynamic of the youngest child who\u2019s married with their first child\u2014you know what I mean? Like the dynamic of me being like [whiney]\u2014 \u201cMom!\u201d I\u2019m annoying. I\u2019m a Millennial.\r\n\r\nI don\u2019t know how my parents are even still so gracious and so patient with me. That\u2019s just the Lord, honestly. But my mom\u2014I struggle to call her a stay-at-home mom, because I think she was like a work-on-demand homeschool mom. Because we didn\u2019t really grow up with a lot of money, so my mom would say, \u201cI\u2019m going to start a cookie business really quick\u201d\u2014kind of like that, you know? But she also homeschooled us.\r\n\r\nShe is the\u00a0literal\u00a0person that took the\u00a0literal\u00a0paperwork to my neurologist and said, \u201cIt\u2019s called Tourette\u2019s syndrome, and my child has it. I\u00a0dare\u00a0you to challenge me.\u201d They looked at it, and they [said], \u201cOh, you\u2019re right.\u201d She never stopped fighting for me, and she still does.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0You\u2019re a mom. It\u2019s that mama-bear thing in us.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Yes.\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Well, I mean, it sounds like\u2014again, I don\u2019t know your mom; it sounds like\u2014she was extremely firm and went after what she needed to get, but also, tender and gentle with\u00a0you. Is that true?\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Oh yes, for sure. I can\u2019t remember one time that she did not extend [to] me the grace that I needed, really. She\u2019s also\u00a0very\u00a0comical and very much a realist as well. Don\u2019t get me wrong.\r\n\r\nI remember, once I was [about] 12, and there was something that I was really obsessing over, OCD-wise. I said, \u201cIt\u00a0has\u00a0to be this way. It has to be\u00a0that\u00a0way,\u201d and she\u2014for context, I was super nerdy; so, at 12, I was already in 9th\u00a0grade\u2014I was planning for college and stuff. \r\n\r\nMy mom sat me down, and she said, \u201cHey, let\u2019s talk about this real quick.\u201d She said, \u201cIn this house, you can be who you need to be. You can do what you need to do. But I want you to understand something: the\u00a0world\u00a0is not going to give you the grace that I\u2019m going to give you.\u201d\r\n\r\nShe said, \u201cI\u2019m\u00a0never\u00a0going to tell you not to have OCD, because that\u2019s not how it works. But you have to be mindful that, if college is something you want, if moving out of the state by yourself is something you want, I just need you to be mindful [that] the world is not set up for little black girls with mental health issues. So, whatever that means\u2014you need me to go with you, you need to stay with me, [or] you need to stay with me and dad; whatever it is.\u201d I always appreciated how\u00a0real\u00a0she was with me. \r\n\r\nAnn: Yes.\r\n\r\nJamie: She definitely wasn\u2019t one of those moms [who would say], \u201cJust be yourself baby. The world will deal with it,\u201d because that\u2019s not practical. I like that she said, \u201cYou be who you need to be, and you do what you\u2019ve got to do, understanding that the world will\u00a0never\u00a0give you the kind of anything that you might feel that you deserve or need.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Did that give you the confidence you needed to become who you are?\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0I think so. It helped me feel so comfortable with being different. I think, so often, even now as a society, we\u00a0always\u00a0want to talk about: \u201cOh, we\u2019ve got to come together and talk about all the things that make us the same.\u201d And yes, that\u2019s a beautiful, important thing. But I also like to embrace what makes me different. I wasn\u2019t born to fit in with everybody else. I wasn\u2019t made to be like everybody else.\r\n\r\nSo, when I went to college, it taught me how to be an advocate for myself as opposed to [thinking], \u201cI have mental health stuff. I have severe anxiety. They better adapt to me.\u201d It taught me, \u201cNo, I need to learn how to become an advocate for myself. Whatever full-time job I have, I\u2019m also going to have to become a full-time volunteer advocate for me and my mental health.\u201d\r\n\r\nYes, it gave me a lot of confidence; but also, it reminded me that I also still [can] call my mommy if I need her, because, yes, sometimes, I do. [Laughter] A couple of weeks ago, I called her. I said [nasal voice], \u201cOh, mom, I have a doctor\u2019s appointment, and I\u2019m not sure what to\u00a0say\u00a0about a medicine I need for some arm pain.\u201d [Laughter] She told me what to say. I was like, \u201cYes!\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0That\u2019s awesome. [Laughter]\r\n\r\nWell, I\u2019m sitting here, and I\u2019m thinking about\u00a0Philippians 4:19\u2014and you even quote this verse in your book, where it says, \u201cMy God will meet all your needs\u201d\u2014all\u00a0of your needs\u2014\"according to the riches of His glory in Christ Jesus.\u201d \r\n\r\nI listen to you, and I think you\u2019re this little girl who was born. God wasn\u2019t surprised at your diagnosis, and He wasn\u2019t surprised. I\u2019m thinking of Psalm 139, where it says He knit us together in our mother\u2019s womb. \r\n\r\nJamie: Yes.\r\n\r\nAnn: He\u2019s looking at you, and He\u2019s celebrating [saying], \u201cLook at My daughter. She has so many gifts. She has so many talents. And yes, she\u2019s got some things. I know about those; I\u2019m not surprised by those, yet, I\u2019m going to\u00a0use\u00a0her.\u201d\r\n\r\nI think that\u2019s such a\u00a0good\u00a0reminder for\u00a0all\u00a0of us, because sometimes, we can look at our brokenness, we can look at our diagnosis, we can look at our kids, and we can think, \u201cLord, do You see what\u2019s happening?\u201d \r\n\r\nHe says, \u201cYes, I see your girl. I see you.\u201d I think it\u2019s a really good reminder that God is saying, \u201cI\u2019m with you.\u201d\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Yes.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0\u201cI\u2019m with you\u00a0in it.\u201d\r\n\r\nYou\u2019ve been a\u00a0great\u00a0example. I love hearing the story of you and your mom, that she\u2019s fighting for you, and she\u2019s speaking truth to you in love and grace. That\u2019s what our Father God does for us as well.\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0And in some ways, that\u2019s what we get to do as parents. We get to be the voice of God to our kids. Whether they fit in with everybody or they don\u2019t, they\u2019re looking at us to be the voice that says, \u201cThis is what Jesus sees and thinks of you.\u201d\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Right; exactly. No, I love that so much and, especially, what you were saying about the Lord just not being surprised, you know? [Laughter]\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0Yes.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0It takes me to this incredibly vivid memory. I have a collection of like 34 very vivid memories from childhood. It\u2019s so random, but I have this one: we were waiting for my mom to come out of an antique mall or something. My dad and I were sitting in the minivan. I asked him, \u201cCan you just tell me? If God is so smart, why doesn\u2019t He just tell me everything that\u2019s going to happen?\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0Or even the question that a lot of us ask is: \u201cLord, You could\u00a0heal\u00a0me.\u00a0Why\u00a0don\u2019t You just heal me?\u201d\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Yes, exactly. I really thought I had it all figured out. I said, \u201cDad, all God has to do is just fix it,\u201d and just tell us everything.\u201d\r\n\r\nI remember, my dad looked in the rear-view mirror. My dad is so\u2014he\u2019s so beautifully poetic and dramatic\u2014he could have turned around, but I feel like he was doing this for dramatic effect. He looked in the rear-view mirror, and he said\u2014this is not his voice, but it has to be for the story\u2014he said [deep voice], \u201cWell, if He told us, we would not have a reason to trust Him then, would we?\u201d \r\n\r\nI thought, \u201cThat makes so much sense!\u201d My mind was\u00a0blown, and then [he said], \u201cMan, I\u2019m going to preach that one day.\u201d \r\n\r\nI remember telling him, \u201cNo, Dad. I\u2019m going to preach it.\u201d I like to remind him: \u201cI\u2019m preaching it, Dad. I am,\u201d\u2014because I try to make that my life\u2019s work: \u201cI\u2019m trusting the Maker here. I could be healed of Tourette\u2019s syndrome tomorrow. Yes, I could\u00a0beg\u00a0God to just tell me the plan for the next five, ten, fifteen, twenty years. I could go there if I wanted to,\u201d or\u00a0I\u2019m just choosing to trust Him; He\u2019s not surprised by any of this.\r\n\r\nI\u2019m just choosing to say, \u201cOkay, Lord, You\u2019ve put me here for a reason. You\u2019re allowing me to walk through this stuff for whatever reason that might be.\u201d I always try to remind myself: \u201cJob went through worse. At least I ain\u2019t Job. You\u2019re allowing me to go through all this stuff. I\u2019m here. I\u2019m present with You, Jesus. I\u2019m just choosing to trust that You have a purpose for all of this that is so much greater than what I could plan for myself.\u201d\r\n\r\nShelby:\u00a0If I can trust your character and your motives, I\u2019m going to trust how you\u2019re involving me in whatever plan you might be involving me in. Kids can probably say that if they know and trust their parents. Honestly, I can say that with full confidence when and if I\u2019m trusting the goodness, loving nature, and sovereignty of God. That immediately puts the weight of all that\u2019s going on in my life onto the relational aspect of my connection with God instead of the outcomes or circumstantial aspect. \r\n\r\nI like Jamie\u2019s perspective here because it leans in the right direction, the relational direction. \r\n\r\nI\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and you\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Jamie Grace on FamilyLife Today. Jamie has written a book called Finding Quiet: My Journey to Peace in an Anxious World. Man, we live in an anxious world right now, don\u2019t we? \r\n\r\nYou can get your copy of Jamie\u2019s book right now by going online to FamilyLifeToday.com and clicking on the \u201cToday\u2019s Resources\u201d tab, or you can find it in the show notes. Or you can give us a call to request a call to get your copy at 800-358-6329; again, that number is 800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \r\n\r\nIt's May right now, and I have a fantastic update. Right now, every gift you contribute will be doubled and\u2014get this\u2014our matching cap has just sky rocketed to $550,000. That\u2019s right. Every donation that you make is going to be doubled, dollar-for-dollar, up to $550,000. There\u2019s never been a better time to give. There really has never been a better time. \r\n\r\nYou can go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the \u201cDonate Now\u201d button at the top of the page. It will walk you through how to become a monthly partner there. When you do partner with us, we\u2019re going to send you a copy of Chris and Elizabeth McKinney\u2019s book called Neighborhoods Reimagined as our way of saying, \u201cThank you for partnering with us.\u201d \r\n\r\nAgain, head online to FamilyLifeToday.com, and click on the \u201cDonate Now\u201d button at the top of the page [to] have every dollar that you give doubled up to $550,000. You can find our link in the show notes at FamilyLifeToday.com. \r\n\r\nNow, tomorrow: how do you monitor your own thoughts and find peace in the process of that? Jamie Grace is back tomorrow with Dave and Ann Wilson to talk about just that and so much more related to your mental health. We hope you\u2019ll join us. \r\n\r\nOn behalf of Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Shelby Abbott. 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Could God use your anxiety, like hers, to shape bedrock trust and beauty?","meta_box":{"show_notes":"\n<ul>\n<li>Connect with Jamie Grace and catch more of her thoughts at <a href=\"https:\/\/jamiegrace.com\/\">jamiegrace.com<\/a><\/li>\n<li>...and grab Jamie's book, <a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product\/finding-quiet-my-journey-to-peace-in-an-anxious-world\/\">Finding Quiet: My Journey to Peace in an Anxious World<\/a> in our shop.<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/donate.familylife.com\/may-2024\/?cru_source=D0002405RB&cru_medium=RadioBanner&cru_premium=PRE21802&cru_campaign=May2024&utm_source=web&utm_medium=radiobanner&utm_campaign=may2024\">Double your gift this month<\/a> when you give to FamilyLife!<\/li>\n<li>Find resources from this podcast at <a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product-category\/radio-resources\/\">shop.familylife.com<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product-category\/past-radio-resources\/\">See resources from our past podcasts.<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Find more content and resources on the <a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/app\/\">FamilyLife's app<\/a>!<\/li>\n<li>Help others find FamilyLife. 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[Laughter] Where are you listening from? \r\n\r\nAnn: You know that we\u2019re from Detroit.\r\n\r\nDave: \u201cMotor City.\u201d \r\n\r\nAnn: Shelby is in the Philly area, and our FamilyLife Today headquarters is in Orlando. \r\n\r\nDave: So, we\u2019re coming to you guys from all over the country, but what about you? We would love to know if you\u2019re in one of those areas or where else you consider home. \r\n\r\nAnn: Text FLT plus where you are listening from to 80542 to let us know. Again, you\u2019re going to text FLT plus where you are listening from to 80542. \r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0I was nine years old when my anxiety first started. It was just this feeling of being worried, but it was a worry that I couldn\u2019t get rid of, and it was a stress that I couldn't get rid of. But to be sitting there and find out: \u201cWell, no, this is an anxiety disorder,\u201d was so much more frustrating than I could have prepared myself for.\r\n\r\nShelby: Welcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on the FamilyLife app.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0This is\u00a0FamilyLife Today.\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Alright, let\u2019s talk about the last time you experienced\u00a0real\u00a0anxiety.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0This morning.\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0This morning? That wasn\u2019t anxiety; that was\u00a0anger.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0It was\u00a0both, actually.\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Go ahead and tell them.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0You have not been feeling well. I was going to bed last night, knowing you\u2019re sick. I had this water beside the sink because I take my vitamins every night. I took the water, and I thought, \u201cIf Dave wakes up in the middle of the night, he\u2019s going to drink my water; and then I\u2019m going to get sick if he drinks from my glass.\u201d So, I took my cup\u2014it had ice and water in it\u2014and I put it in the\u00a0closet.\r\n\r\nNext morning, I was drinking out of that cup. I took my vitamins again. I was walking around the house with the cup, and Dave said to me, \u201cThat\u2019s not your cup, is it?\u201d \r\n\r\nI said, \u201cWhat do you mean? It\u2019s\u00a0always\u00a0my cup, yes.\u201d \r\n\r\nHe said, \u201cOh, well, I drank out of it last night.\u201d \r\n\r\nI said, \u201cIt was in the closet! Why would you go\u2014?\"\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Yes, I wondered why it was in the closet, like, \u201cWhere\u2019s her cup? Oh, it\u2019s in the closet,\u201d [Gulping sound] I drank it when took my NyQuil\u00ae.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0And then why wouldn\u2019t you tell me, \u201cHey, I drank from your cup?\u201d\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0I did think, \u201cWhy is this cup in a closet, with ice?\u201d I thought you put it there for me. [I thought], \u201cHow considerate of my wife to put a little glass of water\u2026\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0I don\u2019t even understand. [Laughter]\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Anyway, we\u2019re bringing all of this up, because we\u2019ve got a guest in the studio today. Jamie Grace is with us at\u00a0FamilyLife Today. Welcome to\u00a0FamilyLife Today, Jamie.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0I\u2019m now convinced that is the perfect Lifetime movie intro. [Laughter]\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Jamie\u2019s written a book called\u00a0Finding Quiet: My Journey to Peace in an Anxious World. That\u2019s why I brought up this anxiety thing. Jamie\u2019s written this\u00a0crazy\u00a0great book about it; finding peace in the middle of anxiety.\r\n\r\nI know a lot of our listeners know who you are, Jamie, but I did not know\u2014two-time Grammy nominated songwriter, singer, actress. I went online last night. [Guitar playing] \r\n\r\nJamie: Yes. \r\n\r\nDave: Is this one that was nominated? \r\n\r\nJamie: Look at you. Yes.\r\n\r\nDave: I always wanted to\u2014\r\n\r\nJamie: \u2014oh, you have the strumming down. That\u2019s really good.\r\n\r\nDave: \u2014to be Toby Mac. [Singing]\r\n\r\nAnn: But, Jamie, you really are gifted in a lot of different ways.\r\n\r\nJamie: Thank you so much. \r\n\r\nAnn: It\u2019s really fun to have you on, because you\u2019re fun to be around. But what you\u2019ve written about\u2014man, it\u2019s something a lot of us face and we deal with, especially in [this] day and age\u2014with your subtitle:\u00a0My Journey to Peace in an Anxious World.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Yes.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0When I talk to you, I think, \u201cYou\u2019re so positive! You\u2019re really upbeat; you\u2019re really fun.\u201d But this is something that you\u2019ve really struggled with and dealt with. So, take us back to: where did this all start?\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0It\u2019s definitely a journey, as you said, and as I mention in the book, I get quite frustrated that it\u2019s a journey at times. I\u2019m a very pro-therapy person. I was literally talking with my therapist last week; she\u2019s so cool. We were just talking, and I mentioned something. She said, \u201cOh, I think this could be you might be worried about \u2018X, Y, Z\u2019.\u201d \r\n\r\nI looked at her, and I said, \u201cOh, no. I\u2019ve already dealt with that. [Laughter] I dealt with that like five years ago in therapy, so I\u2019m good.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0Yes.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0She and I just got into this almost comical conversation about [how], sometimes, we forget that it is a journey. We forget that, sometimes, we might have this anxiety about something, and then we feel better about it, and it\u2019s like, \u201cOkay, I don\u2019t have to deal with that anymore;\u201d but then something comes up, and all of a sudden, we\u2019re thinking about that anxiety again.\r\n\r\nThat started for me as a kid. I was nine years old when my anxiety first started. It was just this feeling of being worried, but it was a worry that I couldn\u2019t get rid of, and it was a stress that I couldn't get rid of. I am a pastor\u2019s kid. My mom and dad started our church when I was about two years old. I grew up in church, and I had, even at nine years old, I had a very significant confidence in Jesus.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0I love [that] you start your book, you say, \u201cWhen I was seven, I made a decision to love Jesus for the rest of my life,\u201d\u2014\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0\u2014yes.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0\u2014\"and when I was eleven, I was diagnosed with anxiety.\u201d\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Yes; to be sitting there and find out, \u201cWell, no, this is an anxiety disorder\u201d was so much more frustrating than I could have prepared myself for; because as a follower of Jesus, you kind of, at least as a kid, just the practicality of, \u201cOh, you pray for something, and God helps you with it,\u201d or \u201cOh, you need something, and the Bible gives you the tools to deal with it,\u201d and that\u2019s just kind of how it works. [Laughter]\r\n\r\nSo, having a generalized anxiety disorder is literally like being almost given this pass to: \u201cOh, no. You\u2019re going to be panicking about stuff a lot.\u201d This has crossed the threshold of an everyday awkward and has moved into: \u201cWe can actually show you that chemical imbalance in your brain,\u201d and worry is, unfortunately, a part of your everyday life.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0Yes. What did it look like? You say \u201cworry.\u201d\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0It would be from my mom [saying] something like, \u201cOkay,\u201d\u2014so we were homeschooled, right? \u2014my mom would say, \u201cOkay, so we\u2019re going to hop in the car, and we\u2019re going to do a field trip today. We\u2019re going to go to a museum and learn about \u2018X, Y, Z\u2019.\u201d \r\n\r\nWithin 30 seconds, my mind already processed these statistics that can happen of car accidents in the car and processed [thoughts] like, \u201cOkay, what could happen if we get to the museum, and I can\u2019t remember everything that I learned? Am I not smart enough? Am I not good enough?\u201d and like, \u201cOh, am I homeschooled because I can\u2019t go to regular school like everybody else, because I don\u2019t have any friends? Oh, nobody likes me.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0Wow!\r\n\r\nJamie: \u201cOh, my dad\u2019s not here because my dad\u2019s at work. Oh, because we don\u2019t have a lot of money, even though my dad works a whole lot, and my dad can never work enough to really take care of the family; but that\u2019s not nice to say, because Dad works really hard.\u201d\r\n\r\nWithin 30 to 60 seconds, every possible dramatic and awful scenario would just start mentally taking a toll on me.\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Yes; the way you just said that, it felt like we were in your head.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Yes.\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0It felt like that noise. Is that the noise you\u2019re talking about?\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0All day! It\u2019s all day. I\u2019m almost 30 now. I\u2019m very grown and wise, and so, I\u2019ve learned some really helpful tools to help silence that noise, but it\u2019s a conscious choice to fight that noise. It\u2019s a conscious choice to allow that quiet to happen.\r\n\r\nI think, even though I have generalized anxiety disorder, I think\u2014oh, I know for a fact that\u2014even people\u00a0without it\u00a0have anxiety, and have worry, and have fear. We have to consciously choose to trust in the Lord that the anxiety that\u2019s happening in our mind is, oftentimes, a liar, you know? And trust the quiet that we are having a hard time procuring is the very thing that we need.\r\n\r\nIt\u2019s a lot of active reacting on a daily basis for me to combat the anxiety that happens naturally. Then, in addition to that, at 11, I was diagnosed with a tic disorder called Tourette\u2019s syndrome, which is a movement disorder causing uncontrollable movements and sounds called tics. \r\n\r\nThen also, obsessive-compulsive disorder, OCD, which is similar to anxiety, but basically causes more\u00a0actions\u00a0than thoughts; so repetitive counting of something, or tapping, or moving; repetitive pursuing of textures. If I see a texture, I need to feel [it]. [I think], \u201cOh I need to go figure out what that is!\u201d Or a texture that I just\u00a0cannot\u00a0touch, I\u2019m like, \u201cIf that blanket comes near me, I will probably cry.\u201d [Laughter]\r\n\r\nThen also ADHD, which is attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, which really just affected all the other. [Laughter] It\u2019s a lot, you know?\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0That is a lot.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0It\u2019s a lot. I was 11. Sometimes, I look back, and I think, \u201cKid, were you okay?\u201d [Laughter]\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0Yes. Well, I\u2019m thinking of our listeners that have kids that, maybe, have had some of those diagnoses. \r\n\r\nJamie: Yes.\r\n\r\nAnn: Or maybe\u00a0they\u2019re\u00a0dealing with anxiety and depression. And yet, to look at you on the outside, I would\u00a0never\u00a0know\u00a0any\u00a0of that. [Laughter] Plus, you\u2019re super successful, you\u2019re doing a ton, and you\u2019re young.\r\n\r\nSo, age 11, there you were\u2014you had these crazy diagnoses with a lot of different things. Then what?\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0The first thing was relief. My symptoms really were at their heaviest when I was nine\u2014well, between nine and fifteen\u2014but the onset of them was like nine years old when the tics were really bad. I was constantly squeezing my hands, my feet. Some of my tics were, oftentimes, injuring myself. I would be in the car, hitting my head on the window. The way that my legs and arms would flail would\u2014oftentimes, I would hit myself or hit myself in the stomach. \r\n\r\nAgain, these things are all uncontrollable. It\u2019s just the way\u2014if you\u2019re nerdy like me, and you\u2019re like, \u201cOh, how does it happen?\u201d The neurons in my brain that are supposed to signal to do things; there\u2019s a little mix up in the wiring. We live in an imperfect world. These things happen, unfortunately. The main thing was my tics, so getting that diagnosis was such a relief, because it felt like, \u201cOh, there\u2019s a word. There\u2019s an understanding.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0\u201cThere\u2019s a reason.\u201d\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Yes, exactly.\r\n\r\nI, like a lot of other kids\u2014I mean, statistically, this is just much more\u2014but I dealt with things like asthma, as a kid, which is pretty common. I had an inhaler just in case I needed it. It wasn\u2019t too bad by the time I was in middle school. So, getting my diagnosis of everything else was kind of exciting, because in my head, I was like, \u201cOh, I\u2019m going to get, I guess, like an inhaler for Tourette\u2019s.\u201d I don\u2019t know! [Laughter] I had never heard these words before, but I assumed they would give me some medication.\r\n\r\nBut my relief, it dissipated so quickly, because I just remember my neurologist sitting there and saying to my mom, \u201cHey, just so you know, there\u2019s no cure for any of this stuff. There\u2019s not even medication for it. There are medications that we can try, but nothing is, for sure going to work.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0And then, even, the medications you were on\u2014that was\u00a0rough.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0They were\u00a0horrible. I feel so much for parents that are still going through this today with their children because\u2014now, don\u2019t get me wrong, there\u2019s been so much research and study; we\u2019ve grown so much in the medical community; I\u2019m so grateful for all the people that have put in the work, but\u2014if you are a parent of a child dealing with illness, that\u2019s a full-time job.\r\n\r\nI\u2019m so grateful for my parents because they fought for me relentlessly. I would try one medication, and it would have me dealing with things like hallucinations, or sleeping day after day after day, or not sleeping at all, or just complete loss of my personality. I was on a heart monitor at one time because one of the medications was affecting my heart, and the payoff just wasn\u2019t worth it. The benefits of the medication, rather; it just wasn\u2019t worth it. It was miserable.\r\n\r\nIt\u2019s tough because, like you said, a lot of times when people meet me or if they see me, nine times out of ten my hair is purple or pink. There\u2019s always something\u2014\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0\u2014it\u2019s a little of both right now.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Yes. [Laughter]\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0It\u2019s so cool.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Thank you. It\u2019s always elaborate; always something going on. I think, sometimes, I\u2019m overcompensating for that childhood situation that I went through, because it was horrendous; this five-to-seven-year gap in my life, where I was miserable. It was awful; I was very depressed.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0Tell us about your mom, who was fighting for you, and even your dad.\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Yes, I\u2019d love to know: \u201cDid they ever lose it? Were they always patient?\u201d I\u2019m just thinking, if I\u2019m in the car and my son is banging his head on the window, there might have been times, where I\u2019d [have said], \u201cCan you just stop that?\u201d \r\n\r\nJamie: Yes.\r\n\r\nDave: But obviously, it\u2019s a medical condition.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0Or as mom, I\u2019m crying. I\u2019m thinking, \u201cLord, what are we going to\u00a0do?\u201d\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0I\u00a0don\u2019t\u00a0know how they did it; I\u00a0don\u2019t. I don\u2019t know how they do it\u00a0now. I mean, I still have\u00a0stuff. Just think about the very stereotypical dynamic of the youngest child who\u2019s married with their first child\u2014you know what I mean? Like the dynamic of me being like [whiney]\u2014 \u201cMom!\u201d I\u2019m annoying. I\u2019m a Millennial.\r\n\r\nI don\u2019t know how my parents are even still so gracious and so patient with me. That\u2019s just the Lord, honestly. But my mom\u2014I struggle to call her a stay-at-home mom, because I think she was like a work-on-demand homeschool mom. Because we didn\u2019t really grow up with a lot of money, so my mom would say, \u201cI\u2019m going to start a cookie business really quick\u201d\u2014kind of like that, you know? But she also homeschooled us.\r\n\r\nShe is the\u00a0literal\u00a0person that took the\u00a0literal\u00a0paperwork to my neurologist and said, \u201cIt\u2019s called Tourette\u2019s syndrome, and my child has it. I\u00a0dare\u00a0you to challenge me.\u201d They looked at it, and they [said], \u201cOh, you\u2019re right.\u201d She never stopped fighting for me, and she still does.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0You\u2019re a mom. It\u2019s that mama-bear thing in us.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Yes.\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Well, I mean, it sounds like\u2014again, I don\u2019t know your mom; it sounds like\u2014she was extremely firm and went after what she needed to get, but also, tender and gentle with\u00a0you. Is that true?\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Oh yes, for sure. I can\u2019t remember one time that she did not extend [to] me the grace that I needed, really. She\u2019s also\u00a0very\u00a0comical and very much a realist as well. Don\u2019t get me wrong.\r\n\r\nI remember, once I was [about] 12, and there was something that I was really obsessing over, OCD-wise. I said, \u201cIt\u00a0has\u00a0to be this way. It has to be\u00a0that\u00a0way,\u201d and she\u2014for context, I was super nerdy; so, at 12, I was already in 9th\u00a0grade\u2014I was planning for college and stuff. \r\n\r\nMy mom sat me down, and she said, \u201cHey, let\u2019s talk about this real quick.\u201d She said, \u201cIn this house, you can be who you need to be. You can do what you need to do. But I want you to understand something: the\u00a0world\u00a0is not going to give you the grace that I\u2019m going to give you.\u201d\r\n\r\nShe said, \u201cI\u2019m\u00a0never\u00a0going to tell you not to have OCD, because that\u2019s not how it works. But you have to be mindful that, if college is something you want, if moving out of the state by yourself is something you want, I just need you to be mindful [that] the world is not set up for little black girls with mental health issues. So, whatever that means\u2014you need me to go with you, you need to stay with me, [or] you need to stay with me and dad; whatever it is.\u201d I always appreciated how\u00a0real\u00a0she was with me. \r\n\r\nAnn: Yes.\r\n\r\nJamie: She definitely wasn\u2019t one of those moms [who would say], \u201cJust be yourself baby. The world will deal with it,\u201d because that\u2019s not practical. I like that she said, \u201cYou be who you need to be, and you do what you\u2019ve got to do, understanding that the world will\u00a0never\u00a0give you the kind of anything that you might feel that you deserve or need.\u201d\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0Did that give you the confidence you needed to become who you are?\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0I think so. It helped me feel so comfortable with being different. I think, so often, even now as a society, we\u00a0always\u00a0want to talk about: \u201cOh, we\u2019ve got to come together and talk about all the things that make us the same.\u201d And yes, that\u2019s a beautiful, important thing. But I also like to embrace what makes me different. I wasn\u2019t born to fit in with everybody else. I wasn\u2019t made to be like everybody else.\r\n\r\nSo, when I went to college, it taught me how to be an advocate for myself as opposed to [thinking], \u201cI have mental health stuff. I have severe anxiety. They better adapt to me.\u201d It taught me, \u201cNo, I need to learn how to become an advocate for myself. Whatever full-time job I have, I\u2019m also going to have to become a full-time volunteer advocate for me and my mental health.\u201d\r\n\r\nYes, it gave me a lot of confidence; but also, it reminded me that I also still [can] call my mommy if I need her, because, yes, sometimes, I do. [Laughter] A couple of weeks ago, I called her. I said [nasal voice], \u201cOh, mom, I have a doctor\u2019s appointment, and I\u2019m not sure what to\u00a0say\u00a0about a medicine I need for some arm pain.\u201d [Laughter] She told me what to say. I was like, \u201cYes!\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0That\u2019s awesome. [Laughter]\r\n\r\nWell, I\u2019m sitting here, and I\u2019m thinking about\u00a0Philippians 4:19\u2014and you even quote this verse in your book, where it says, \u201cMy God will meet all your needs\u201d\u2014all\u00a0of your needs\u2014\"according to the riches of His glory in Christ Jesus.\u201d \r\n\r\nI listen to you, and I think you\u2019re this little girl who was born. God wasn\u2019t surprised at your diagnosis, and He wasn\u2019t surprised. I\u2019m thinking of Psalm 139, where it says He knit us together in our mother\u2019s womb. \r\n\r\nJamie: Yes.\r\n\r\nAnn: He\u2019s looking at you, and He\u2019s celebrating [saying], \u201cLook at My daughter. She has so many gifts. She has so many talents. And yes, she\u2019s got some things. I know about those; I\u2019m not surprised by those, yet, I\u2019m going to\u00a0use\u00a0her.\u201d\r\n\r\nI think that\u2019s such a\u00a0good\u00a0reminder for\u00a0all\u00a0of us, because sometimes, we can look at our brokenness, we can look at our diagnosis, we can look at our kids, and we can think, \u201cLord, do You see what\u2019s happening?\u201d \r\n\r\nHe says, \u201cYes, I see your girl. I see you.\u201d I think it\u2019s a really good reminder that God is saying, \u201cI\u2019m with you.\u201d\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Yes.\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0\u201cI\u2019m with you\u00a0in it.\u201d\r\n\r\nYou\u2019ve been a\u00a0great\u00a0example. I love hearing the story of you and your mom, that she\u2019s fighting for you, and she\u2019s speaking truth to you in love and grace. That\u2019s what our Father God does for us as well.\r\n\r\nDave:\u00a0And in some ways, that\u2019s what we get to do as parents. We get to be the voice of God to our kids. Whether they fit in with everybody or they don\u2019t, they\u2019re looking at us to be the voice that says, \u201cThis is what Jesus sees and thinks of you.\u201d\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Right; exactly. No, I love that so much and, especially, what you were saying about the Lord just not being surprised, you know? [Laughter]\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0Yes.\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0It takes me to this incredibly vivid memory. I have a collection of like 34 very vivid memories from childhood. It\u2019s so random, but I have this one: we were waiting for my mom to come out of an antique mall or something. My dad and I were sitting in the minivan. I asked him, \u201cCan you just tell me? If God is so smart, why doesn\u2019t He just tell me everything that\u2019s going to happen?\u201d\r\n\r\nAnn:\u00a0Or even the question that a lot of us ask is: \u201cLord, You could\u00a0heal\u00a0me.\u00a0Why\u00a0don\u2019t You just heal me?\u201d\r\n\r\nJamie:\u00a0Yes, exactly. I really thought I had it all figured out. I said, \u201cDad, all God has to do is just fix it,\u201d and just tell us everything.\u201d\r\n\r\nI remember, my dad looked in the rear-view mirror. My dad is so\u2014he\u2019s so beautifully poetic and dramatic\u2014he could have turned around, but I feel like he was doing this for dramatic effect. He looked in the rear-view mirror, and he said\u2014this is not his voice, but it has to be for the story\u2014he said [deep voice], \u201cWell, if He told us, we would not have a reason to trust Him then, would we?\u201d \r\n\r\nI thought, \u201cThat makes so much sense!\u201d My mind was\u00a0blown, and then [he said], \u201cMan, I\u2019m going to preach that one day.\u201d \r\n\r\nI remember telling him, \u201cNo, Dad. I\u2019m going to preach it.\u201d I like to remind him: \u201cI\u2019m preaching it, Dad. I am,\u201d\u2014because I try to make that my life\u2019s work: \u201cI\u2019m trusting the Maker here. I could be healed of Tourette\u2019s syndrome tomorrow. Yes, I could\u00a0beg\u00a0God to just tell me the plan for the next five, ten, fifteen, twenty years. I could go there if I wanted to,\u201d or\u00a0I\u2019m just choosing to trust Him; He\u2019s not surprised by any of this.\r\n\r\nI\u2019m just choosing to say, \u201cOkay, Lord, You\u2019ve put me here for a reason. You\u2019re allowing me to walk through this stuff for whatever reason that might be.\u201d I always try to remind myself: \u201cJob went through worse. At least I ain\u2019t Job. You\u2019re allowing me to go through all this stuff. I\u2019m here. I\u2019m present with You, Jesus. I\u2019m just choosing to trust that You have a purpose for all of this that is so much greater than what I could plan for myself.\u201d\r\n\r\nShelby:\u00a0If I can trust your character and your motives, I\u2019m going to trust how you\u2019re involving me in whatever plan you might be involving me in. Kids can probably say that if they know and trust their parents. Honestly, I can say that with full confidence when and if I\u2019m trusting the goodness, loving nature, and sovereignty of God. That immediately puts the weight of all that\u2019s going on in my life onto the relational aspect of my connection with God instead of the outcomes or circumstantial aspect. \r\n\r\nI like Jamie\u2019s perspective here because it leans in the right direction, the relational direction. \r\n\r\nI\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and you\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Jamie Grace on FamilyLife Today. Jamie has written a book called Finding Quiet: My Journey to Peace in an Anxious World. Man, we live in an anxious world right now, don\u2019t we? \r\n\r\nYou can get your copy of Jamie\u2019s book right now by going online to FamilyLifeToday.com and clicking on the \u201cToday\u2019s Resources\u201d tab, or you can find it in the show notes. Or you can give us a call to request a call to get your copy at 800-358-6329; again, that number is 800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \r\n\r\nIt's May right now, and I have a fantastic update. Right now, every gift you contribute will be doubled and\u2014get this\u2014our matching cap has just sky rocketed to $550,000. That\u2019s right. Every donation that you make is going to be doubled, dollar-for-dollar, up to $550,000. There\u2019s never been a better time to give. There really has never been a better time. \r\n\r\nYou can go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the \u201cDonate Now\u201d button at the top of the page. It will walk you through how to become a monthly partner there. When you do partner with us, we\u2019re going to send you a copy of Chris and Elizabeth McKinney\u2019s book called Neighborhoods Reimagined as our way of saying, \u201cThank you for partnering with us.\u201d \r\n\r\nAgain, head online to FamilyLifeToday.com, and click on the \u201cDonate Now\u201d button at the top of the page [to] have every dollar that you give doubled up to $550,000. You can find our link in the show notes at FamilyLifeToday.com. \r\n\r\nNow, tomorrow: how do you monitor your own thoughts and find peace in the process of that? Jamie Grace is back tomorrow with Dave and Ann Wilson to talk about just that and so much more related to your mental health. We hope you\u2019ll join us. \r\n\r\nOn behalf of Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Shelby Abbott. 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