{"id":307807,"date":"2023-08-04T09:15:00","date_gmt":"2023-08-04T13:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/whats-god-think-about-my-anxiety-dr-ed-welch-2\/"},"modified":"2023-08-04T09:15:00","modified_gmt":"2023-08-04T13:15:00","slug":"whats-god-think-about-my-anxiety-dr-ed-welch-2","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/whats-god-think-about-my-anxiety-dr-ed-welch-2\/","title":{"rendered":"What&#8217;s God Think about My Anxiety? Dr. Ed Welch"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Anxiety can feel crippling and heavy with shame. Psychologist and author Dr. Ed Welch fumbled with his own anxiety, and eventually, it led him into life-altering encounters with God\u2014who, it turned out, had beautiful things to say.<br \/>\nHow can we create a context in our home where children can speak openly? That\u2019s the challenge. If our children are accustomed to being rebuked quickly or corrected quickly, it doesn\u2019t take many of those occasions for a child to say, \u201cWell, there are certain things you\u2019re not allowed to talk about here, and so we don\u2019t talk about these things.\u201d How can we as parents, and how can we as churches create a place where people can speak from their hearts? &#8212; Dr. Ed Welch<br \/>\nShow Notes and Resources<\/p>\n<p> \tHear Ed Welch on Right Now Media and listen to other episodes he&#8217;s been on and connect with his Christian couseling ministry.<br \/>\n \tIntrigued by today&#8217;s episode? 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That\u2019s the challenge. If our children are accustomed to being rebuked quickly or corrected quickly, it doesn\u2019t take many of those occasions for a child to say, \u201cWell, there are certain things you\u2019re not allowed to talk about here, and so we don\u2019t talk about these things.\u201d How can we as parents, and how can we as churches create a place where people can speak from their hearts?\n\n<strong>Shelby: <\/strong>Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on the FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\nThis is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So you\u2019ve met with more teenage, college-age girls recently than I can remember in the last 20 years, about depression, trauma, shame\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Anxiety, suicidal ideation, self-harm, and I\u2019ve met with a lot of those moms as well, and they\u2019re scared. They\u2019re scared for their daughters. They\u2019re scared because they\u2019re wondering what\u2019s causing this. Is it Covid? Is it social media? How can I help her? I think a lot of parents, not only of daughters but of sons, that are fearful. We live in a culture and day and age where there is so much going on that feels fearful. I think there\u2019s a part of us as parents that want to just hide our kids away. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, or we want to help. \u201cOkay, how do I parent in this culture and this generation?\u201d I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s a lot more heightened than it was 50 years ago, but it sure feels like it. I think it probably is, and we have an expert in here to tell us if we\u2019re on the right path or not. Ed Welch, welcome back. You are a Doctor of Psychology. You\u2019ve written, you\u2019ve taught, you\u2019re a dad and a husband, you have kids, so you\u2019ve lived all this stuff out.\n\nAs you hear us talk about this, and you live in this culture, where do we start?\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> You can go to a manual that has every single psychiatric disorder in it, and we would have a similar conversation, where they\u2019re all increasing. They\u2019re all increasing more than ever before.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right now?\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> Every one of them, across the board--depression, anxiety, the various kinds of anxieties. We\u2019ve talked about panic attacks, where they\u2019re commonplace, where they were so rare before. Suicide, suicidal ideation, suicidal thoughts is affecting more people and it\u2019s affecting more younger people. I\u2019m sort of painting the large picture first. It raises the question, \u201cWell, why is this?\u201d I don\u2019t know. It seems too easy to say social media has contributed to it, but it has contributed to it. I don\u2019t think there\u2019s any question.\n\nI have observed that with my very own eyes with my grandchildren. When they have been bad on social media, been to places they shouldn\u2019t, and their phones are taken away, they are different kinds of kids. We have different kinds of conversations with them. So certainly social media is part of it.\n\nWhat else is part of it? Here\u2019s the nice thing with being a Christian. We don\u2019t have to know all the reasons for it to be able to be helpful for our children. I think the important thing at this point is how can we create a context in our home where children can speak openly? That\u2019s the challenge. If our children are accustomed to being rebuked quickly, or corrected quickly, it doesn\u2019t take many of those occasions for a child to say, \u201cWell, there are certain things you\u2019re not allowed to talk about here, so we don\u2019t talk about these things.\u201d\n\nHow can we as parents, and how can we as churches create a place where people can speak from their hearts? That\u2019s been one of our themes together, that we\u2019re trying to do what we can to imitate the nature of the kingdom of heaven. The kingdom of heaven is, \u201cWho is the real you, and speak it.\u201d One of the things in the New Testament that\u2019s obvious is we are sinners. So yes, the Lord\u2019s Prayer\u2014we ask forgiveness. It\u2019s the kind of thing we do consistently. We ask forgiveness and we forgive others.\n\nWell, as a father, my kids didn\u2019t have to be with me that long to see my own sin. To simply confess my sin. It could have been something with my wife that my kids overheard. Say, \u201cKids, I\u2019m so sorry. This is what I did, and this is the wrongness of it, and it\u2019s the wrongness that you observed. But it\u2019s before God, and before Him and Him alone. Would you pray for me?\u201d Now, something in this scenario like that might not work in our homes, but could you imagine moving toward something like that?\n\nCould you imagine speaking about your anxieties in the course of a day, and going to a passage of Scripture, and \u201cLet\u2019s pray this Scripture. Could you pray it for me? And by the way, we all struggle with these things, so I\u2019ll pray for all of us.\u201d That is one of the things we know, that there are things our children struggle with that they feel like they have no venue for them except with their own peers. How can we create an environment in our homes where our children speak openly? That\u2019s the beginning of it.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Ed, if you have a daughter or a son that maybe shows signs or says some things that make you think, \u201cMan, they\u2019re really struggling with suicidal thoughts,\u201d or \u201cThe shame they\u2019re carrying is much heavier than I\u2019ve been able to see before.\u201d What do you do as a parent?\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> Probably the natural way through would be you call up somebody who seems to have some wisdom about that, perhaps has gone through things like that with their own children.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We call up Ed Welch, that\u2019s who we call. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> And some people will call me, but I will call other people as well. It\u2019s just the nature of the body of Christ that we rely on each other, that we have the Spirit, and the Spirit typically works through other people. So if we have no idea what to say, we say, \u201cLord, help.\u201d Then we get on our phones and we look for help. Obviously you can go on the internet and find things that are Christian and non-Christian that can be helpful in the way we continue those conversations.\n\nDo you see what I\u2019m saying? It\u2019s not so much \u201cI have no idea what to do. The professional has to deal with this.\u201d Well, in my experience the professional is\u2014if the parents aren\u2019t going to be able to help, a lot of times the professional isn\u2019t going to be able to help.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That just made a lot of parents worry right there. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> The Lord seems to specialize in using ordinary people who don\u2019t feel like they have a lot to give, but they love, and they pray, and they want to know their kids. So if you don\u2019t know what to say, you get help. And then you try the help that you\u2019ve been given. It might be a particular question. It depends. At school, it might be talking to a teacher at school or principal at school.\n\nIt might be asking somebody at school, \u201cWhat are the kinds of things we should be asking of our children?\u201d It might be to say to our children, \u201cWe know that there are things in your heart that are so, so important, and we know that there are things in your heart that are really, really hard and hopeless. We know it\u2019s hard for you to say those things. What can we do that would invite you to be able to speak those things?\u201d\n\n\u201cWhat have we done that has made it hard to speak of these things? What can we do that would make it easier to speak those things?\u201d Now, imagine how something like that would be. For us to engage that kind of conversation with our children, that seems in some ways like a next step to getting at the good stuff, the important stuff. But we are doing the good stuff.\n\nWe are saying, \u201cHere is a place where we love you, and we\u2019re going to grow in how we love you. We desperately desire to do that together,\u201d to identify \u201cthat\u2019s the kind of home that we want you to be a part of,\u201d that is moving into the shame or the guilt or the hopelessness. For them to see the spark of life, the life of Christ ultimately, in our home, it will give them some kind of hope. So it\u2019s not just a step, it\u2019s actually treatment as well.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Ed, I think the thing for us as parents to remember is our kids\u2019 friends are needing this from us too. I know that at our table, at our island, I\u2019d have so many teenagers sitting in my house, and I\u2019d be asking them, \u201cTell me what\u2019s going on. How are you doing?\u201d Some of the things that came out, oh, were heartbreaking. And so it was sometimes easier for me to not be as emotional with our kids\u2019 friends than with my kids.\n\nI can remember crying with them; I can remember laying my hands on them and praying over them, giving them Scripture, and asking, \u201cJust read this Scripture. Tell Jesus everything you\u2019re thinking and hoping and your fears\u2014all of it. Tell Him everything.\u201d And then I would say, \u201cThank you for telling me.\u201d One boy\u2014I\u2019ve shared a little of this before\u2014he was a track runner, so gifted. He\u2019d get so anxious before these track meets.\n\nI\u2019d give him a little stone, a little rock, and I\u2019d put Scripture on it. Years later, maybe 15 years later, he came up to me and he said, \u201cHey, Mrs. Wilson,\u201d and he pulls out that rock and the Scripture had basically worn out. He said, \u201cThis got me through every track meet,\u201d and then he played college football. He said, \u201cI hold this in my pocket still,\u201d which was amazing. I thought it was nothing, and yet for him it was a lifeline to Jesus.\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> What a beautiful story, isn\u2019t it?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> That\u2019s a precious story. It\u2019s a small thing.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Small.\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> It\u2019s a small thing. Invitations to speak\u2014what you demonstrated is compassion. Compassion is \u201cI am affected by you. I am different as a result of what you just shared,\u201d which for a young woman or man who feels utterly isolated and utterly alone and distant from love, for them to hear such a thing\u2014it\u2019s a small thing, but it is this intrusion of hope, and opportunities to pray for a child that we would have never had otherwise. That\u2019s a beautiful story.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, and it\u2019s beautiful that\u2014you\u2019ve said it earlier\u2014it\u2019s God and it\u2019s also people. You have both. I remember, I don\u2019t know what book, but Max Lucado\u2014years ago I shared it in a sermon\u2014where he said a tornado was hitting a Texas town and this little five-year-old boy runs into his daddy\u2019s bedroom and grabs his leg, and they\u2019re standing looking out the window. The dad is trying to comfort the five-year-old son and says, \u201cHey, you can go back to bed. God is here. He\u2019s got you. You\u2019re safe.\u201d\n\nAnd the boy looks up at his dad, doesn\u2019t let go of his leg, and says, \u201cYeah, I know that, Dad, but right now I need someone with skin on.\u201d I\u2019ve never forgotten that illustration because that\u2019s true. We know the Father and we can pour out our hearts, but there are times where, like Ann was the Father to Joe in that situation, right? That\u2019s what we can be in our home. Our wife, our kids, people incarnate the love of the Father often to us.\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> And that kind of story is exactly what we should expect. The church is called the \u201cHousehold of God.\u201d As Paul gets the knack of it, in some of his later letters that\u2019s what he says, that it\u2019s the Household of God. We together are a household, and those are the best of stories, when parenting is shared by other people who love the child.\n\nMaybe just one important point that you\u2019re identifying in this: We can be quick to fix a person; we can be quick to rebuke a person. Those things are not necessarily wrong, but there\u2019s a time for them. I think what we\u2019re identifying here is to know the child, and to not skip compassion; to be moved by the things that are on the child\u2019s heart. If the child is really struggling with the kind of depression and in thinking life would be better over rather than continuing, there are hard things in that child\u2019s heart.\n\nWe want to stick with knowing that child until we are moved by the child. And then perhaps the question would be, \u201cAlright, sweetie, what can we do next? What can we do to help?\u201d It\u2019s not a matter of having all the answers. It\u2019s the more ordinary features of love that are going to be part of the rescue; they\u2019re going to be central to the rescue of our children.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You said before it\u2019s in some ways simple to have the conversation. I grew up in a home where there was the trauma of my dad leaving, and then my little brother dies within several months after, and a move from one state to another. My mom, now a single mom trying to keep this family together, basically said, \u201cWe don\u2019t talk ever about Craig\u2019s death, the divorce.\u201d My sister came home from high school and the priest walks out of the house and said, \u201cYour brother has just died.\u201d\n\nMy sister said, \u201cYou know, we never talked about it after I walked in the house.\u201d So you talk about trauma, and a family that never discussed any of that stuff. I did not know I carried that into my teenage years and into my adulthood. How does a family process that kind of trauma? You write about it a little bit in your book. So how would you help us understand? Where do we go? Is it talking as well, or is there more to it?\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019d be interested in asking you that question because you certainly have thought about it. It\u2019s at least knowing this, that the culture we grew up in was not culture as God called it to be, and what He\u2019s doing is something that is different and new and good. The litmus test for me is Scripture. It has to sound good. It has to sound good. If it doesn\u2019t sound good, then we\u2019re not on it.\n\nEven if we\u2019re talking about sin, it should sound really good because the deal with our sin is it\u2019s one of the ways we grow closer to Jesus. So it\u2019s good. It\u2019s discarding one of these little features of death that tend to hang on us.\n\nSo what is this new culture? It seems like what we\u2019ve been saying is speak about these things. Speak about these things, and don\u2019t you dare try to minimize it. Don\u2019t you dare try to minimize it. It\u2019s a typical way people deal with suffering. \u201cThere are people that have it worse than me,\u201d but again, the diabolic feature of minimizing is that we never talk to Jesus about it, because it\u2019s not that big a deal. \u201cI should be able to handle this myself.\u201d\n\nWe don\u2019t handle anything by ourselves. We\u2019re dependent creatures by definition; we\u2019re dependent on the Lord. We are also interdependent on each other. That\u2019s simply the way that the Lord has made us. So indeed, for us to speak, to know the compassion of Christ for you, and then to see what doors that opens, to see that Christ Himself is the One Who is moved by these things. Then what? Then it opens Scripture to all kinds of things.\n\nIt moves the Scripture to perhaps your own guilt, where inevitably, if things like that happened when you were that young, you are going to feel responsible for it in some way. So what are the things that you believe that you did wrong, that somehow was part of that? Those are the things we bring to the Lord.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I love how you, every question we\u2019ve asked you, there\u2019s a blend of the psychiatric and the expertise and the study and the knowledge of almost the science of the soul, and yet you always bring God and the spiritual and the Scripture together. That isn\u2019t often done, that I\u2019ve seen. Explain what that journey has been like for you.\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> I think just identifying the journey is the most important, where here we are. We\u2019re struggling with whatever it might be\u2014suicidal thoughts, trauma from the past\u2014what do we do with that? Well, what we\u2019re trying to do as Christians is say, \u201cI don\u2019t know what to do with that, but I do know that we have a God Who knows us inside and out. We do have a God Who never minimizes anything.\u201d\n\nTrauma is about death; death has come close to us. It was literal death for you. Sometimes it can be sort of the deathly acts of people who are doing shameful things, disgraceful things against us. But it\u2019s death all the same. We know He is life, and now the question is, \u201cHow do we get there? How do we get from being utterly overwhelmed by this particular struggle to\u2014\u201d I\u2019ll use Paul\u2019s phrase. Paul said, \u201cI have determined to know nothing but Christ and Him crucified.\u201d\n\nSomehow that is the summary of God\u2019s will and understanding the way He communicates to us. So I think a lot of times it\u2019s simply are we asking the right question? Are we saying, \u201cOkay, Lord, what do You say?\u201d And if we don\u2019t know what He says, well we [ask], \u201cWhat do you think Scripture says?\u201d We keep asking around until people can open the doors of Scripture so Scripture comes alive for us. So I\u2019m not really answering your question.\n\nI\u2019m saying that the question is so important. How do we get from the struggles of life that seem compartmentalized and unrelated to Christ? How can we say, \u201cNo, no, no, no, no.\u201d We have a God Who cares about hairs on heads, and if He cares about hairs on heads, then He certainly cares about these kinds of things. If He speaks life and compassion and comfort, He certainly speaks life and compassion and comfort to these things. I have no idea how He does it, but that\u2019s where I\u2019m going to head.\n\nAnd then perhaps, if we don\u2019t have anybody who is walking with us, we become that importunate woman who says, \u201cLord, you have to give me something here. You have to break through, because here\u2019s the struggle that I have. I don\u2019t even hear what You\u2019re saying. It seems like You\u2019re playing hard to get. I know that\u2019s not the case. You have to speak, through Your people, through Your Word, directly through Your speaking\u2014You have to do it.\u201d\n\nSo again, it\u2019s not actually answering your question; it\u2019s saying that the question, \u201cHow do we get from our daily struggle to the person of Jesus?\u201d That is our shared question. It\u2019s our shared privilege, and it\u2019s this hopeful question because we know that He is the God Who will speak. He will speak exactly what we need in our hearts. We can be sure of that.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, I love Psalm 34. \u201cThe Lord is close to the brokenhearted, and He saves those\u201d\u2014listen to this phrase\u2014\u201ccrushed in spirit.\u201d Devastated, traumatic, He\u2019s close, He will save. That\u2019s a good word.\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> And sometimes what we\u2019re left with is, \u201cLord, I know that\u2019s in Scripture. It doesn\u2019t seem like it\u2019s relevant to me because You\u2019re not speaking to me, but where else can I turn? There are no other words of life, so I\u2019m going to keep at it.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So what are your thoughts of sitting with Dr. Ed Welch? He was sort of like a counselor for us and everybody that listened.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Sometimes I just get sad that we\u2019re listening and gleaning and learning so much at this stage of life. I wish we would have heard this when our kids were younger.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, the good thing is our listeners are younger.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s true.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And they\u2019re getting to hear it when we wish we would have heard it, but the good news is they are hearing it, and they get to apply stuff we never got to apply when we were in our 20s and 30s and 40s.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I know. I hope as a listener you\u2019ll send these out to even your kids or friends who are struggling with this, because these are issues that every family is facing.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, and I\u2019ll say thank you. There are quite a few <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>listeners that give financially to make this happen, and so you are letting other families benefit from people like Ed Welch. I\u2019ll just say this: when he said \u201cCreate an environment in your home where your wife, your spouse, your kids feel like they are invited to pour out their honest, vulnerable thoughts and feelings and struggles and trauma and shame,\u201d that was worth everything.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That was good.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I felt like he did that with us. It\u2019s like you felt so heard and seen and\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014safe.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014invited into a conversation, not just with him, but with Jesus. That was beautiful.\n\n<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and you\u2019ve been listening to Ed Welch on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> with Dave and Ann Wilson. This has been such an important conversation. Ed has written a book called <em>I Have a Psychiatric Diagnosis: What Does the Bible Say?<\/em> You can ask a Christian counselor by picking up this book. It guides readers into listening to God, and finding out that God actually cares and has compassion for those who are struggling in painful ways. You can find a copy at FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\nAnd attention, parents! That\u2019s me. All this month, when you partner financially with <em>FamilyLife<\/em>, we have two special surprises for you. You can help shape your kids\u2019 character, build relationships, and nurture identity in them with a fun game called <em>Ferret Flush.<\/em> It\u2019s a game that brings connection with your kids in a fun and playful way but teaches them as well.\n\nIn addition to that, you\u2019re going to get the <em>Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series with sessions that help you deal with common obstacles in raising your children. You can give online at FamilyLifeToday.com and get both of those resources. Or you can call at 800-358-6329. Again, that number is 800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\nIf you\u2019d like, you can also send us a donation by mail. Our address is FamilyLife, 100 Lake Hart Drive, Orlando, Florida 32832.\n\nDo you know someone who could use the insights shared in today\u2019s conversation? I certainly do. Well, we\u2019d greatly appreciate it if you could share this podcast episode wherever you listen to your podcasts. You can also take a moment to leave us a review, and that would help others to find and enjoy <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em>\n\nComing up next week, David Thomas is going to be with Dave and Ann Wilson, talking about raising emotionally healthy boys. That\u2019s next week.\n\nOn behalf of Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Shelby Abbott. 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You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on the FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\nThis is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So you\u2019ve met with more teenage, college-age girls recently than I can remember in the last 20 years, about depression, trauma, shame\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Anxiety, suicidal ideation, self-harm, and I\u2019ve met with a lot of those moms as well, and they\u2019re scared. They\u2019re scared for their daughters. They\u2019re scared because they\u2019re wondering what\u2019s causing this. Is it Covid? Is it social media? How can I help her? I think a lot of parents, not only of daughters but of sons, that are fearful. We live in a culture and day and age where there is so much going on that feels fearful. I think there\u2019s a part of us as parents that want to just hide our kids away. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, or we want to help. \u201cOkay, how do I parent in this culture and this generation?\u201d I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s a lot more heightened than it was 50 years ago, but it sure feels like it. I think it probably is, and we have an expert in here to tell us if we\u2019re on the right path or not. Ed Welch, welcome back. You are a Doctor of Psychology. You\u2019ve written, you\u2019ve taught, you\u2019re a dad and a husband, you have kids, so you\u2019ve lived all this stuff out.\n\nAs you hear us talk about this, and you live in this culture, where do we start?\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> You can go to a manual that has every single psychiatric disorder in it, and we would have a similar conversation, where they\u2019re all increasing. They\u2019re all increasing more than ever before.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right now?\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> Every one of them, across the board--depression, anxiety, the various kinds of anxieties. We\u2019ve talked about panic attacks, where they\u2019re commonplace, where they were so rare before. Suicide, suicidal ideation, suicidal thoughts is affecting more people and it\u2019s affecting more younger people. I\u2019m sort of painting the large picture first. It raises the question, \u201cWell, why is this?\u201d I don\u2019t know. It seems too easy to say social media has contributed to it, but it has contributed to it. I don\u2019t think there\u2019s any question.\n\nI have observed that with my very own eyes with my grandchildren. When they have been bad on social media, been to places they shouldn\u2019t, and their phones are taken away, they are different kinds of kids. We have different kinds of conversations with them. So certainly social media is part of it.\n\nWhat else is part of it? Here\u2019s the nice thing with being a Christian. We don\u2019t have to know all the reasons for it to be able to be helpful for our children. I think the important thing at this point is how can we create a context in our home where children can speak openly? That\u2019s the challenge. If our children are accustomed to being rebuked quickly, or corrected quickly, it doesn\u2019t take many of those occasions for a child to say, \u201cWell, there are certain things you\u2019re not allowed to talk about here, so we don\u2019t talk about these things.\u201d\n\nHow can we as parents, and how can we as churches create a place where people can speak from their hearts? That\u2019s been one of our themes together, that we\u2019re trying to do what we can to imitate the nature of the kingdom of heaven. The kingdom of heaven is, \u201cWho is the real you, and speak it.\u201d One of the things in the New Testament that\u2019s obvious is we are sinners. So yes, the Lord\u2019s Prayer\u2014we ask forgiveness. It\u2019s the kind of thing we do consistently. We ask forgiveness and we forgive others.\n\nWell, as a father, my kids didn\u2019t have to be with me that long to see my own sin. To simply confess my sin. It could have been something with my wife that my kids overheard. Say, \u201cKids, I\u2019m so sorry. This is what I did, and this is the wrongness of it, and it\u2019s the wrongness that you observed. But it\u2019s before God, and before Him and Him alone. Would you pray for me?\u201d Now, something in this scenario like that might not work in our homes, but could you imagine moving toward something like that?\n\nCould you imagine speaking about your anxieties in the course of a day, and going to a passage of Scripture, and \u201cLet\u2019s pray this Scripture. Could you pray it for me? And by the way, we all struggle with these things, so I\u2019ll pray for all of us.\u201d That is one of the things we know, that there are things our children struggle with that they feel like they have no venue for them except with their own peers. How can we create an environment in our homes where our children speak openly? That\u2019s the beginning of it.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Ed, if you have a daughter or a son that maybe shows signs or says some things that make you think, \u201cMan, they\u2019re really struggling with suicidal thoughts,\u201d or \u201cThe shame they\u2019re carrying is much heavier than I\u2019ve been able to see before.\u201d What do you do as a parent?\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> Probably the natural way through would be you call up somebody who seems to have some wisdom about that, perhaps has gone through things like that with their own children.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We call up Ed Welch, that\u2019s who we call. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> And some people will call me, but I will call other people as well. It\u2019s just the nature of the body of Christ that we rely on each other, that we have the Spirit, and the Spirit typically works through other people. So if we have no idea what to say, we say, \u201cLord, help.\u201d Then we get on our phones and we look for help. Obviously you can go on the internet and find things that are Christian and non-Christian that can be helpful in the way we continue those conversations.\n\nDo you see what I\u2019m saying? It\u2019s not so much \u201cI have no idea what to do. The professional has to deal with this.\u201d Well, in my experience the professional is\u2014if the parents aren\u2019t going to be able to help, a lot of times the professional isn\u2019t going to be able to help.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That just made a lot of parents worry right there. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> The Lord seems to specialize in using ordinary people who don\u2019t feel like they have a lot to give, but they love, and they pray, and they want to know their kids. So if you don\u2019t know what to say, you get help. And then you try the help that you\u2019ve been given. It might be a particular question. It depends. At school, it might be talking to a teacher at school or principal at school.\n\nIt might be asking somebody at school, \u201cWhat are the kinds of things we should be asking of our children?\u201d It might be to say to our children, \u201cWe know that there are things in your heart that are so, so important, and we know that there are things in your heart that are really, really hard and hopeless. We know it\u2019s hard for you to say those things. What can we do that would invite you to be able to speak those things?\u201d\n\n\u201cWhat have we done that has made it hard to speak of these things? What can we do that would make it easier to speak those things?\u201d Now, imagine how something like that would be. For us to engage that kind of conversation with our children, that seems in some ways like a next step to getting at the good stuff, the important stuff. But we are doing the good stuff.\n\nWe are saying, \u201cHere is a place where we love you, and we\u2019re going to grow in how we love you. We desperately desire to do that together,\u201d to identify \u201cthat\u2019s the kind of home that we want you to be a part of,\u201d that is moving into the shame or the guilt or the hopelessness. For them to see the spark of life, the life of Christ ultimately, in our home, it will give them some kind of hope. So it\u2019s not just a step, it\u2019s actually treatment as well.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Ed, I think the thing for us as parents to remember is our kids\u2019 friends are needing this from us too. I know that at our table, at our island, I\u2019d have so many teenagers sitting in my house, and I\u2019d be asking them, \u201cTell me what\u2019s going on. How are you doing?\u201d Some of the things that came out, oh, were heartbreaking. And so it was sometimes easier for me to not be as emotional with our kids\u2019 friends than with my kids.\n\nI can remember crying with them; I can remember laying my hands on them and praying over them, giving them Scripture, and asking, \u201cJust read this Scripture. Tell Jesus everything you\u2019re thinking and hoping and your fears\u2014all of it. Tell Him everything.\u201d And then I would say, \u201cThank you for telling me.\u201d One boy\u2014I\u2019ve shared a little of this before\u2014he was a track runner, so gifted. He\u2019d get so anxious before these track meets.\n\nI\u2019d give him a little stone, a little rock, and I\u2019d put Scripture on it. Years later, maybe 15 years later, he came up to me and he said, \u201cHey, Mrs. Wilson,\u201d and he pulls out that rock and the Scripture had basically worn out. He said, \u201cThis got me through every track meet,\u201d and then he played college football. He said, \u201cI hold this in my pocket still,\u201d which was amazing. I thought it was nothing, and yet for him it was a lifeline to Jesus.\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> What a beautiful story, isn\u2019t it?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> That\u2019s a precious story. It\u2019s a small thing.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Small.\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> It\u2019s a small thing. Invitations to speak\u2014what you demonstrated is compassion. Compassion is \u201cI am affected by you. I am different as a result of what you just shared,\u201d which for a young woman or man who feels utterly isolated and utterly alone and distant from love, for them to hear such a thing\u2014it\u2019s a small thing, but it is this intrusion of hope, and opportunities to pray for a child that we would have never had otherwise. That\u2019s a beautiful story.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, and it\u2019s beautiful that\u2014you\u2019ve said it earlier\u2014it\u2019s God and it\u2019s also people. You have both. I remember, I don\u2019t know what book, but Max Lucado\u2014years ago I shared it in a sermon\u2014where he said a tornado was hitting a Texas town and this little five-year-old boy runs into his daddy\u2019s bedroom and grabs his leg, and they\u2019re standing looking out the window. The dad is trying to comfort the five-year-old son and says, \u201cHey, you can go back to bed. God is here. He\u2019s got you. You\u2019re safe.\u201d\n\nAnd the boy looks up at his dad, doesn\u2019t let go of his leg, and says, \u201cYeah, I know that, Dad, but right now I need someone with skin on.\u201d I\u2019ve never forgotten that illustration because that\u2019s true. We know the Father and we can pour out our hearts, but there are times where, like Ann was the Father to Joe in that situation, right? That\u2019s what we can be in our home. Our wife, our kids, people incarnate the love of the Father often to us.\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> And that kind of story is exactly what we should expect. The church is called the \u201cHousehold of God.\u201d As Paul gets the knack of it, in some of his later letters that\u2019s what he says, that it\u2019s the Household of God. We together are a household, and those are the best of stories, when parenting is shared by other people who love the child.\n\nMaybe just one important point that you\u2019re identifying in this: We can be quick to fix a person; we can be quick to rebuke a person. Those things are not necessarily wrong, but there\u2019s a time for them. I think what we\u2019re identifying here is to know the child, and to not skip compassion; to be moved by the things that are on the child\u2019s heart. If the child is really struggling with the kind of depression and in thinking life would be better over rather than continuing, there are hard things in that child\u2019s heart.\n\nWe want to stick with knowing that child until we are moved by the child. And then perhaps the question would be, \u201cAlright, sweetie, what can we do next? What can we do to help?\u201d It\u2019s not a matter of having all the answers. It\u2019s the more ordinary features of love that are going to be part of the rescue; they\u2019re going to be central to the rescue of our children.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You said before it\u2019s in some ways simple to have the conversation. I grew up in a home where there was the trauma of my dad leaving, and then my little brother dies within several months after, and a move from one state to another. My mom, now a single mom trying to keep this family together, basically said, \u201cWe don\u2019t talk ever about Craig\u2019s death, the divorce.\u201d My sister came home from high school and the priest walks out of the house and said, \u201cYour brother has just died.\u201d\n\nMy sister said, \u201cYou know, we never talked about it after I walked in the house.\u201d So you talk about trauma, and a family that never discussed any of that stuff. I did not know I carried that into my teenage years and into my adulthood. How does a family process that kind of trauma? You write about it a little bit in your book. So how would you help us understand? Where do we go? Is it talking as well, or is there more to it?\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019d be interested in asking you that question because you certainly have thought about it. It\u2019s at least knowing this, that the culture we grew up in was not culture as God called it to be, and what He\u2019s doing is something that is different and new and good. The litmus test for me is Scripture. It has to sound good. It has to sound good. If it doesn\u2019t sound good, then we\u2019re not on it.\n\nEven if we\u2019re talking about sin, it should sound really good because the deal with our sin is it\u2019s one of the ways we grow closer to Jesus. So it\u2019s good. It\u2019s discarding one of these little features of death that tend to hang on us.\n\nSo what is this new culture? It seems like what we\u2019ve been saying is speak about these things. Speak about these things, and don\u2019t you dare try to minimize it. Don\u2019t you dare try to minimize it. It\u2019s a typical way people deal with suffering. \u201cThere are people that have it worse than me,\u201d but again, the diabolic feature of minimizing is that we never talk to Jesus about it, because it\u2019s not that big a deal. \u201cI should be able to handle this myself.\u201d\n\nWe don\u2019t handle anything by ourselves. We\u2019re dependent creatures by definition; we\u2019re dependent on the Lord. We are also interdependent on each other. That\u2019s simply the way that the Lord has made us. So indeed, for us to speak, to know the compassion of Christ for you, and then to see what doors that opens, to see that Christ Himself is the One Who is moved by these things. Then what? Then it opens Scripture to all kinds of things.\n\nIt moves the Scripture to perhaps your own guilt, where inevitably, if things like that happened when you were that young, you are going to feel responsible for it in some way. So what are the things that you believe that you did wrong, that somehow was part of that? Those are the things we bring to the Lord.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I love how you, every question we\u2019ve asked you, there\u2019s a blend of the psychiatric and the expertise and the study and the knowledge of almost the science of the soul, and yet you always bring God and the spiritual and the Scripture together. That isn\u2019t often done, that I\u2019ve seen. Explain what that journey has been like for you.\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> I think just identifying the journey is the most important, where here we are. We\u2019re struggling with whatever it might be\u2014suicidal thoughts, trauma from the past\u2014what do we do with that? Well, what we\u2019re trying to do as Christians is say, \u201cI don\u2019t know what to do with that, but I do know that we have a God Who knows us inside and out. We do have a God Who never minimizes anything.\u201d\n\nTrauma is about death; death has come close to us. It was literal death for you. Sometimes it can be sort of the deathly acts of people who are doing shameful things, disgraceful things against us. But it\u2019s death all the same. We know He is life, and now the question is, \u201cHow do we get there? How do we get from being utterly overwhelmed by this particular struggle to\u2014\u201d I\u2019ll use Paul\u2019s phrase. Paul said, \u201cI have determined to know nothing but Christ and Him crucified.\u201d\n\nSomehow that is the summary of God\u2019s will and understanding the way He communicates to us. So I think a lot of times it\u2019s simply are we asking the right question? Are we saying, \u201cOkay, Lord, what do You say?\u201d And if we don\u2019t know what He says, well we [ask], \u201cWhat do you think Scripture says?\u201d We keep asking around until people can open the doors of Scripture so Scripture comes alive for us. So I\u2019m not really answering your question.\n\nI\u2019m saying that the question is so important. How do we get from the struggles of life that seem compartmentalized and unrelated to Christ? How can we say, \u201cNo, no, no, no, no.\u201d We have a God Who cares about hairs on heads, and if He cares about hairs on heads, then He certainly cares about these kinds of things. If He speaks life and compassion and comfort, He certainly speaks life and compassion and comfort to these things. I have no idea how He does it, but that\u2019s where I\u2019m going to head.\n\nAnd then perhaps, if we don\u2019t have anybody who is walking with us, we become that importunate woman who says, \u201cLord, you have to give me something here. You have to break through, because here\u2019s the struggle that I have. I don\u2019t even hear what You\u2019re saying. It seems like You\u2019re playing hard to get. I know that\u2019s not the case. You have to speak, through Your people, through Your Word, directly through Your speaking\u2014You have to do it.\u201d\n\nSo again, it\u2019s not actually answering your question; it\u2019s saying that the question, \u201cHow do we get from our daily struggle to the person of Jesus?\u201d That is our shared question. It\u2019s our shared privilege, and it\u2019s this hopeful question because we know that He is the God Who will speak. He will speak exactly what we need in our hearts. We can be sure of that.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, I love Psalm 34. \u201cThe Lord is close to the brokenhearted, and He saves those\u201d\u2014listen to this phrase\u2014\u201ccrushed in spirit.\u201d Devastated, traumatic, He\u2019s close, He will save. That\u2019s a good word.\n\n<strong>Ed:<\/strong> And sometimes what we\u2019re left with is, \u201cLord, I know that\u2019s in Scripture. It doesn\u2019t seem like it\u2019s relevant to me because You\u2019re not speaking to me, but where else can I turn? There are no other words of life, so I\u2019m going to keep at it.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So what are your thoughts of sitting with Dr. Ed Welch? He was sort of like a counselor for us and everybody that listened.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Sometimes I just get sad that we\u2019re listening and gleaning and learning so much at this stage of life. I wish we would have heard this when our kids were younger.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, the good thing is our listeners are younger.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s true.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And they\u2019re getting to hear it when we wish we would have heard it, but the good news is they are hearing it, and they get to apply stuff we never got to apply when we were in our 20s and 30s and 40s.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I know. I hope as a listener you\u2019ll send these out to even your kids or friends who are struggling with this, because these are issues that every family is facing.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, and I\u2019ll say thank you. There are quite a few <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>listeners that give financially to make this happen, and so you are letting other families benefit from people like Ed Welch. I\u2019ll just say this: when he said \u201cCreate an environment in your home where your wife, your spouse, your kids feel like they are invited to pour out their honest, vulnerable thoughts and feelings and struggles and trauma and shame,\u201d that was worth everything.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That was good.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I felt like he did that with us. It\u2019s like you felt so heard and seen and\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014safe.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014invited into a conversation, not just with him, but with Jesus. That was beautiful.\n\n<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> I\u2019m Shelby Abbott, and you\u2019ve been listening to Ed Welch on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> with Dave and Ann Wilson. This has been such an important conversation. Ed has written a book called <em>I Have a Psychiatric Diagnosis: What Does the Bible Say?<\/em> You can ask a Christian counselor by picking up this book. 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