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I may have been kind of sloppy with certain years; but when you know this could be the end\/this could be the last lap you\u2019re running, you get really intentional. You should get really intentional. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So what a lot of people don\u2019t know about Ann Wilson is: before you were Ann Wilson, you were <em>quite<\/em> the track star. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I am\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You\u2019re laughing. I mean, you have records back in Ohio in high school\/maybe, not records. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Maybe; no, I think they are all broken by now. It\u2019s so funny; I\u2019ve never thought about this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Nobody would guess what your event was\u2014I mean, you ran them all\u2014but you were the hurdles. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Hurdles. But the race that was the <em>deadliest<\/em> race for me was the last event of the track meet\u2014it was the 4 \u00d7 400\u2014not only was it that race, but I had the last <em>leg<\/em> of that race. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014which means you are the star\u2014you\u2019re the closer, you\u2019re the fastest\u2014come on! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I felt so much <em>pressure<\/em>. Everyone knows that last lap is the most important lap because it determines if you win or lose\u2014not only the race\u2014but sometimes, if you\u2019re tied, it determines if you win the entire <em>meet<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dave:<\/strong> All I know is that\u2019s why I married you. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Whatever! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You are a \u201cGet it done.\u201d No matter how hard or how painful it is, you are going to finish. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reason we are starting this program with a [crazy] track story is we have an author with us today, who is a good friend, who wrote a book. It\u2019s sort of about track; we\u2019ll explain that in a minute. But Robert Wolgemuth, thank you for being with us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Thank you, Dave. Thank you, Ann. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Robert, you\u2019ve written a book which is called <em>Gun Lap<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The subtitle is <em>Staying in the Race with Purpose<\/em>; we\u2019ll get into the content of your book in a minute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just wanted to say for our listeners\u2014they don\u2019t know a lot about our connection through our son Austin\u2014but I did not know you\u2019ve written\u2014what?\u201426 books. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Yes; I\u2019ve killed a lot of trees, Dave. [Laughter] I\u2019m sorry about it; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I mean, that\u2019s crazy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI did know this: you went to college just down the road from where I went to college at Ball State. You went to Taylor University, even got a doctorate there\/an honorary doctorate. You\u2019ve had an amazing career in the publishing world as a literary agency; and that\u2019s how we got somewhat connected through my son, Austin. Tell our listeners a little bit about how you and Austin met. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> I\u2019m in a meeting with a guy named Paul Sandhouse, who is the publisher of Moody Publishing\/Moody Press. He is telling me that he teaches a class for seniors, who are in publishing\/communications as a major. I said, \u201cMan, I would <em>love<\/em> to be a guest teacher.\u201d I had the joy of teaching a class at Moody with seniors, men and women. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI noticed this young man as I was teaching. He was paying close attention; he had a little laptop, and he was taking voracious notes. When we finished with the conversation, I said to Paul, \u201cTell me about Austin,\u201d because we had gone around the room and introduced ourselves to each other. Sometimes, I do my best to remember names; I said, \u201cTell me about Austin.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said, \u201cWell, he grew up in Detroit. His daddy was the pastor of a church, kind of a church-planting, entrepreneurial pastor guy. He grew up in a pastor\u2019s home, and he has been a student here. He is married.\u201d I said, \u201cWould you just tell him that I asked about him?\u201d I didn\u2019t want any more; I wanted this to come as an inspiration to this young man if he was interested in talking to me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn 20 minutes\u2014I\u2019m not kidding\u2014in 20 minutes, I get a text from Austin Wilson. That began a short journey that actually ended with inviting Austin to join my company as a literary agent. He had a chance, actually, the next day, to meet my colleagues, Andrew Wolgemuth and Eric Wolgemuth, who are actually my brother\u2019s sons; they are my nephews. That was ten years ago\/eleven years ago, maybe; and Austin has been a <em>precious<\/em> addition to our team. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause he and Kendall were in Chicago, we moved them right away to Orlando, where I lived with my late-wife Bobbie. It was a really, really sweet time; [however,] it wasn\u2019t all sweet and wonderful. I mean, we introduced him to a new business; but then during those years, Austin and Kendall lost two babies. We were right in the middle of their lives during that time; it was a really precious time. They eventually, then, moved back to Denver; and I moved to Michigan. That was not a penalty\u2014I did not lose a bet\u2014I did this on purpose. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnyway, that\u2019s Austin. We talk every day on the phone and collaborate on the clients that we are working with and publishing projects. He is an <em>amazing<\/em> gift to me; I love him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It was really sweet, Robert, because I remember when you decided\u2014you and Bobbie interviewed both Austin and Kendall\u2014had them come to Florida. I remember Austin calling us, saying, \u201cYou guys, this is such a gift from God. This is my <em>dream<\/em> job.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> So just right out of college; that\u2019s pretty unusual. He has loved working with you, Robert. You have an incredible reputation; and Bobbie, your late wife, really poured into and mentored Kendall. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith your book\u2014as you\u2019re talking about, <em>Gun Lap<\/em>\u2014explain that. What is gun lap? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Sure; my introduction to <em>Gun Lap<\/em>, Ann, happened my senior year at Taylor\/Taylor University. The athletic director, actually, asked my roommate, who was a Phys Ed Major, if he could get some buddies together; we were hosting the conference track meet. My roommate Steve said, \u201cWould you be interested?\u201d I said, \u201cAre you kidding? That sounds fantastic!\u201d I got to rake the pit for the high jump, or the pole vault, or whatever. I didn\u2019t do like timing stuff; that was for the professionals. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe last race was the two-mile, and we climbed up to the tower. They gave me permission to climb the tower; so I was up there, watching this race. It\u2019s eight laps around a quarter-mile track. At the beginning of the race, you\u2019ve got all these runners\u2014right?\u2014and the starter raises his arm and pulls the trigger, and the gun goes off, and the race begins. So then you watch it: round and round eight times. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>At the start of the final lap, the starter steps back out and puts his arm in the air and fires the gun again. I said to one of the guys there, who knows track, I said, \u201cWhat was that?\u201d He said, \u201cThat is the gun lap; that signals that the lead runner has started his last lap.\u201d That\u2019s the gun lap. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA year and a half ago, I started dreaming about writing a book. There were things\u2014we\u2019ll talk about in a few minutes\u2014things that led to my wondering about the rest of my life and the idea\/the metaphor of the gun lap came back. I thought, \u201cThat is a <em>perfect<\/em> metaphor for this book.\u201d It\u2019s not a book about dying; it is a book about running and running well that last lap in our lives. That\u2019s why the book is called <em>Gun Lap<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s interesting. You sent the book to me a month or so ago\u2014maybe a couple of months when it came out\u2014and I couldn\u2019t put it down. In some ways, I don\u2019t think I\u2019m in the gun lap\u2014but you never know\u2014do you? You could be in the final lap, because we don\u2019t know. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> You are very kind. Actually, even though you are in Florida, and I\u2019m in Michigan, just you saying you couldn\u2019t put it down\u2014if I could, I would get up and kiss you right on the face\u2014[Laughter]\u2014because that is the <em>ultimate<\/em> for an author to hear,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> \u2014because it\u2019s so easy to lay a book down; right? That means a lot; I appreciate it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, you know, the first thing I did, obviously, when I picked it up, was I looked at the chapter titles. Then I read your dedication, which I read again last night, which is so interesting. You dedicated it to a young man, who died when he was 20. You even say at the beginning, \u201cIt\u2019s interesting to dedicate a book about living fully to the end of your life\u2014hopefully, a long life\u2014to dedicate to a young man, who was in his 20s.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I want to read\u2014and I want you to comment\u2014as you wrote at the beginning what his dad said about his son, Nick, at the memorial service. I won\u2019t read the whole thing; but his dad said this: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEach one of us is given a race to run. Some are called to run a long race; some are called to run just a short race. What matters is not how long the race is but how <em>well<\/em> we run it. It\u2019s God\u2019s business to determine how long that race will be. It\u2019s our business to determine how well we will run it. Let me tell you. It is so much better to run a short race well than a long race poorly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTalk about that. It\u2019s a <em>great<\/em> way to start a book about finishing strong. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Well, actually, Nick\u2019s parents, Aileen and Tim Challies, are good friends of ours. When the news that Nick had died\u2014just as a student at Boyce College in Louisville\u2014he just dropped dead. He was with his buddies\/his friends; he just dropped dead. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe went through a lot of the grief of all of that. And then, I had a chance to watch, live, the memorial service. When his daddy said that, I thought, \u201cYou know what? I want to dedicate a book about running your last lap to a man in his 20s because we never know. We never know when we are running the last lap, which is another good reason to run well.\u201d If you kind of knew, you\u2019d say, \u201cOkay; well, I\u2019ll hang out; I\u2019ll be lazy,\u201d\u2014whatever\u2014\u201c<em>Now<\/em>, it\u2019s the last lap; <em>now<\/em>, I\u2019m going to pick up the pace\u201d; we don\u2019t know that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI couldn\u2019t help myself, Dave; I wanted to dedicate the book to Nick, whom I never met. I\u2019ll meet him in heaven; but because I love his parents so much, and realized just the incredible pain of losing him so early\u2014but when his dad said that at the service\u2014I thought, \u201cI\u2019ve got to put that in the dedication.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, as you think about finishing well, I\u2019ve often said to younger men in my life: \u201cI can\u2019t see the finish line.\u201d I would say that in my 30s; I\u2019d say that in my 40s. I\u2019m starting to say now, \u201cI think I can see the finish line,\u201d\u2014and I\u2019m sort of joking, because I don\u2019t know\/we don\u2019t know\u2014but when you enter your 60s; and you\u2019re around that age\/maybe a little older\u2014you start to realize and <em>feel<\/em> the brevity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You feel the criticalness of every day mattering. I remember Dennis Rainey saying to me, when I turned 60\u2014and I\u2019m not going to tell our listeners how old I am\u2014but it was a couple years ago. He said to me when I turned 60, \u201cThis will be the best decade of your life\u201d; I <em>laughed<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I thought he was joking\u2014right?\u2014\u201cThose decades are behind me\u201d; he <em>meant<\/em> it, like the 60s and 70s, or the 70s to 80s can be the <em>best<\/em> years of your life if you finish well. Talk about that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> You\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Robert Wolgemuth on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We\u2019ll hear Robert\u2019s response in just a minute; but first, did you know <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is listener-supported? That means we rely on generous gifts from listeners like you; and all this week, when you give any amount to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, as our thanks, we\u2019ll send you a copy of Sam Allberry\u2019s book, <em>What God Has to Say about Our Bodies<\/em>. You can give securely online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can give us a call with your donation at 1-800-358-6329. Again, the number is 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlright, now, let\u2019s get back to Dave and Ann\u2019s conversation with Robert Wolgemuth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Dennis is right, and I\u2019m actually into the next decade\u2014I\u2019m in my 70s\u2014I\u2019m 73. Really, the book is not about dying. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> It\u2019s about running that last lap. Actually, just to kind of lift the veil, I am working on the next book, and it is about dying; it\u2019s called <em>Finish Line<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut this is about living; so: \u201cWhat are you going to do with these years?\u201d As Dennis said, they can be your <em>best<\/em> years; but they also can be very hard years because\u2014and we talk about this in the book\u2014your body doesn\u2019t do what it used to be able to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, just for starters, you can get really frustrated. You may have high expectations for yourself\u2014you may have been an athlete\u2014and you can\u2019t do that anymore. It\u2019s just simple things\u2014climbing stairs\u2014or you get sick, and you realize, \u201cLife is a vapor; there is a brevity to this thing.\u201d I may have been kind of sloppy with certain years; but when you know, \u201cThis could be the end; this could be the last lap you are running,\u201d you get really intentional. You <em>should<\/em> get really intentional, and that\u2019s really what I want to say in this book. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, I would say, Dave, you are just about wheelhouse for this book. People ask me that question: I would say 55 to 65 is wheelhouse, because you are going to be getting to go through some transitions\u2014you may retire from your job\u2014those kinds of things. The lights go on, in many cases, with guys, saying, \u201cYou know what? My life is about to change. I\u2019m going to maybe no longer go to the office every day.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things I talk about is, when you are working, you\u2019ve got colleagues: you\u2019re in constant contact with them; your inbox is filled; your texts fill up every day; your phone rings. Then you cross that line, and that stuff gets <em>quiet<\/em>; and you\u2019re going, \u201cI realize those weren\u2019t necessarily my friends; they were my colleagues. So who loves me now? What am I supposed to do with these years of my life?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI totally embrace what Dennis Rainey is saying about the best years. What I would say is you <em>can\u2019t<\/em> coast into them; you have to be intentional. That\u2019s a big deal. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, as I hear you talk about that, I\u2019m thinking of your late wife, Bobbie. She passed away: how many years ago was that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> She passed away in 2014; October 28, 2014. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is significant for Dave and I; because Austin, our son, and his wife Kendall were very involved. Kendall would say that Bobbie was her mentor. As I think about her\u2014she was diagnosed with ovarian cancer\u2014I think it would be easy to have a pity party, at that point, when you know: \u201cI\u2019m, not only on my last lap; I\u2019m on my last quarter of the lap.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It would be really easy to just kind of check out\u2014you know?\u2014like, \u201cWow! This is really hard. This is before I thought I would be ending my race.\u201d Yet, she continually poured into women\u2014poured into your daughters, poured into your grandchildren\u2014to the very point where Austin and Kendall went to the hospital to have their first daughter after having\u2014it was actually three miscarriages\u2014so they had had Olive. You guys had prayed for them to have a baby for those several years, because they had gone through so much pain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I remember Austin and Kendall saying after Olive was born, on October 22, \u201cWe\u2019re not going to go home right away. We\u2019re going to stop and see Robert and Bobbie, because they have been praying for us. They have been praying for our daughter\/our baby. And we want Bobbie to hold Olive, and we want them to pray over her before she goes to see Jesus.\u201d That was significant because\u2014when Austin and Kendall told us they cried to have Bobbie\u2019s hands on Olive, praying over her\u2014was one of the most meaningful things. You talk about gun lap and finishing well. I know, for our family, that was an incredible blessing; and I know she was that for so many more. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTalk about that a little bit, Robert. How did she keep that perspective of finishing so well? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Well, thanks to the wonders of technology\u2014I knew that Austin and Kendall and Olive were coming to our house\u2014I actually videotaped the whole thing\/I videoed the whole thing. I\u2019ve got Kendall and Austin and Olive, in the little carrier, coming in our door\/our back door; and then coming over and hearing Bobbie, from her hospital bed in the living room, just exclaiming, just delightful, giggling about this chance. I have video of them walking over to her hospital bed, pulling Olive carefully out of the carrier, handing her to Bobbie; Bobbie reaching out her, at that point, bony, feeble arms, and just squealing with delight, holding this child. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Olive\u2019s birthday is five days before Bobbie\u2019s death day; but it\u2019s\u2014those two\u2014they will forever be connected to each other. That was such a God-thing, you guys: just the sweetness that the Lord allowed Bobbie to live long enough to hold this little baby. The visual that I\u2019m seeing\u2014not because I looked at that video just two days ago\u2014of Bobbie reaching out her arms from her hospital bed, and Austin carefully laying this child in Bobbie\u2019s arms. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, it\u2019s Anna and Simeon\u2014that\u2019s what I think of when I see that\u2014holding Jesus in the Temple and exclaiming what delight it was to hold this child. That was really, very much\u2014it was a Simeon\/Anna moment\u2014when Bobbie got to hold this little baby. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You know, as well as anybody, Robert\u2014you know, as parents, you pray your whole life that, when your son or daughter becomes a man or a woman, husband\/wife, they will have mentors\/community in their life that will point them to Jesus\u2014you and Bobbie have been that for our son and daughter-in-law\/for Austin and Kendall. Hearing you talk about that moment: what an answer to prayer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you said earlier, your book is written for men in their 40s\/50s; but it\u2019s actually for 20-year-olds and 30-year-olds because the way Bobbie finished her gun lap has been an inspiration and a model for my son and daughter-in-law, and many others: how to do life\/how to live for Jesus from the birth of Olive\u2014from, you know, the starting lap\u2014to the very end. I don\u2019t even know if you\u2019ll ever know what a blessing you two have been to our family, because you lived so well and modeled that for our own son and daughter-in-law. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Well, thank you for saying that, Dave. One of the really important points of <em>Gun Lap<\/em> is what you are describing now. I\u2019m overwhelmed\/really, humbled with the kind things that you are saying. This isn\u2019t just about <em>my<\/em> life. It\u2019s about what I\u2019m doing with my life as it relates to <em>younger<\/em> men; so the chance to have somebody in my life, like your son Austin, and to be able to pour into <em>him<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou talk about a man with a teachable spirit, a man who is\u2014I mean, you can set your watch by his attitude\u2014it\u2019s the same: it\u2019s upbeat, teachable, kind, happy, pleasant, smart\u2014all those things; this is Austin Wilson. The Lord gave me this young man, who actually set up his office in my home in Orlando. We had several years\u2014in fact, I rarely took a trip after that that I didn\u2019t have Austin be my colleague, my traveling companion, be my GPS in my rental car\u2014or whatever\u2014so that\u2019s the great joy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou guys know this so well. The stewardship of your life poured into younger people brings you more joy than it did when you first experienced it yourself. That\u2019s\/that\u2019s the chapter called \u201cROI: A Nice ROI\u201d\u2014Return on Investment\u2014so that\u2014the truth is I will, in my lifetime, I won\u2019t really know the impact that Bobbie had in Olive\u2019s life or, really, in Kendall and Austin\u2019s life. That\u2019s kind of just paying it forward. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou do what you can: you fail transparently, and you confess when it is time for that; and you also aren\u2019t afraid to say, \u201cThis is the way you do this.\u201d You\u2019ve got an apprentice, who is watching what you do\u2014which, by the way, you know this so well\u2014when that video camera is running, and this younger person is watching you, recording you, that impacts\/that transforms, actually, how you act\/how you live. It\u2019s a two-way gift\u2014it\u2019s a gift to the younger person, but it\u2019s also a gift to you\u2014that the things that you may think of doing, or be tempted to do, when you\u2019ve got a travelling companion, that fixes all of that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is Titus 2\u2014this is passing onto younger people: men to men\/women to women\u2014life-on-life mentoring. And the joy that you have when you get a little bit older\u2014you aren\u2019t smarter\u2014but you are more experienced, which means you\u2019ve made more <em>mistakes<\/em> and learned from them. [Laughter] That\u2019s a big part of this whole gun lap: looking for people to mentor. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSometimes, mentoring is kind of an intimidating word, like, \u201cI\u2019ve got to go through some program, multiple weeks in a row, where\u2026\u201d\u2014no; not necessarily. It\u2019s stuff that is caught; not necessarily taught. That\u2019s the great joy of being this age. The Lord has taught me things, and I\u2019ve failed. I\u2019ve confessed sin; and now, I have something to say\/something that a younger person can learn from. What a joy! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn this case, I got to do this with your kid\u2014sorry, Austin\u2014you\u2019re a man. [Laughter] Now, he is doing it with younger people. We talk every single day in our business; and often, they are over with friends, with little kids, playing\u2014whatever\u2014but I know young men, who are watching your son and saying, \u201cWhen I grow up, I want to be like that,\u201d which helps Austin be more of a man of God. All of that stuff is so sweet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, and it\u2019s a beautiful visual of whether you are on the first lap or the last lap\u2014and again, we don\u2019t know if it\u2019s our first, middle, or last\u2014someone is watching. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And your life matters right here, right now\u2014not just for yourself\u2014but for that person watching, whether it\u2019s your son or daughter, a neighbor, a stranger; it doesn\u2019t matter. Live each <em>day<\/em> like it\u2019s your gun lap\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014in such a way that you will live a legacy that honors Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Amen; that\u2019s exactly right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> You have been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Robert Wolgemuth on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. You can get a copy of Robert\u2019s book, <em>Gun Lap: Finishing Your Race with Grace<\/em>, at FamilyLifeToday.com. The thought that maybe the best years of our marriage are <em>behind<\/em> us can be a really discouraging thought; but what if your marriage could get better and better as you get older and older? Robert Wolgemuth will be back, again, tomorrow with Dave and Ann Wilson to continue that conversation. 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I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So what a lot of people don\u2019t know about Ann Wilson is: before you were Ann Wilson, you were <em>quite<\/em> the track star. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I am\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You\u2019re laughing. I mean, you have records back in Ohio in high school\/maybe, not records. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Maybe; no, I think they are all broken by now. It\u2019s so funny; I\u2019ve never thought about this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Nobody would guess what your event was\u2014I mean, you ran them all\u2014but you were the hurdles. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Hurdles. But the race that was the <em>deadliest<\/em> race for me was the last event of the track meet\u2014it was the 4 \u00d7 400\u2014not only was it that race, but I had the last <em>leg<\/em> of that race. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014which means you are the star\u2014you\u2019re the closer, you\u2019re the fastest\u2014come on! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I felt so much <em>pressure<\/em>. Everyone knows that last lap is the most important lap because it determines if you win or lose\u2014not only the race\u2014but sometimes, if you\u2019re tied, it determines if you win the entire <em>meet<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dave:<\/strong> All I know is that\u2019s why I married you. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Whatever! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You are a \u201cGet it done.\u201d No matter how hard or how painful it is, you are going to finish. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reason we are starting this program with a [crazy] track story is we have an author with us today, who is a good friend, who wrote a book. It\u2019s sort of about track; we\u2019ll explain that in a minute. But Robert Wolgemuth, thank you for being with us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Thank you, Dave. Thank you, Ann. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Robert, you\u2019ve written a book which is called <em>Gun Lap<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The subtitle is <em>Staying in the Race with Purpose<\/em>; we\u2019ll get into the content of your book in a minute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just wanted to say for our listeners\u2014they don\u2019t know a lot about our connection through our son Austin\u2014but I did not know you\u2019ve written\u2014what?\u201426 books. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Yes; I\u2019ve killed a lot of trees, Dave. [Laughter] I\u2019m sorry about it; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I mean, that\u2019s crazy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI did know this: you went to college just down the road from where I went to college at Ball State. You went to Taylor University, even got a doctorate there\/an honorary doctorate. You\u2019ve had an amazing career in the publishing world as a literary agency; and that\u2019s how we got somewhat connected through my son, Austin. Tell our listeners a little bit about how you and Austin met. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> I\u2019m in a meeting with a guy named Paul Sandhouse, who is the publisher of Moody Publishing\/Moody Press. He is telling me that he teaches a class for seniors, who are in publishing\/communications as a major. I said, \u201cMan, I would <em>love<\/em> to be a guest teacher.\u201d I had the joy of teaching a class at Moody with seniors, men and women. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI noticed this young man as I was teaching. He was paying close attention; he had a little laptop, and he was taking voracious notes. When we finished with the conversation, I said to Paul, \u201cTell me about Austin,\u201d because we had gone around the room and introduced ourselves to each other. 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That was ten years ago\/eleven years ago, maybe; and Austin has been a <em>precious<\/em> addition to our team. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause he and Kendall were in Chicago, we moved them right away to Orlando, where I lived with my late-wife Bobbie. It was a really, really sweet time; [however,] it wasn\u2019t all sweet and wonderful. I mean, we introduced him to a new business; but then during those years, Austin and Kendall lost two babies. We were right in the middle of their lives during that time; it was a really precious time. They eventually, then, moved back to Denver; and I moved to Michigan. That was not a penalty\u2014I did not lose a bet\u2014I did this on purpose. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnyway, that\u2019s Austin. We talk every day on the phone and collaborate on the clients that we are working with and publishing projects. 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I thought, \u201cThat is a <em>perfect<\/em> metaphor for this book.\u201d It\u2019s not a book about dying; it is a book about running and running well that last lap in our lives. That\u2019s why the book is called <em>Gun Lap<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s interesting. You sent the book to me a month or so ago\u2014maybe a couple of months when it came out\u2014and I couldn\u2019t put it down. In some ways, I don\u2019t think I\u2019m in the gun lap\u2014but you never know\u2014do you? You could be in the final lap, because we don\u2019t know. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> You are very kind. Actually, even though you are in Florida, and I\u2019m in Michigan, just you saying you couldn\u2019t put it down\u2014if I could, I would get up and kiss you right on the face\u2014[Laughter]\u2014because that is the <em>ultimate<\/em> for an author to hear,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> \u2014because it\u2019s so easy to lay a book down; right? That means a lot; I appreciate it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, you know, the first thing I did, obviously, when I picked it up, was I looked at the chapter titles. Then I read your dedication, which I read again last night, which is so interesting. You dedicated it to a young man, who died when he was 20. You even say at the beginning, \u201cIt\u2019s interesting to dedicate a book about living fully to the end of your life\u2014hopefully, a long life\u2014to dedicate to a young man, who was in his 20s.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I want to read\u2014and I want you to comment\u2014as you wrote at the beginning what his dad said about his son, Nick, at the memorial service. I won\u2019t read the whole thing; but his dad said this: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEach one of us is given a race to run. Some are called to run a long race; some are called to run just a short race. What matters is not how long the race is but how <em>well<\/em> we run it. It\u2019s God\u2019s business to determine how long that race will be. It\u2019s our business to determine how well we will run it. Let me tell you. It is so much better to run a short race well than a long race poorly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTalk about that. It\u2019s a <em>great<\/em> way to start a book about finishing strong. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Well, actually, Nick\u2019s parents, Aileen and Tim Challies, are good friends of ours. When the news that Nick had died\u2014just as a student at Boyce College in Louisville\u2014he just dropped dead. He was with his buddies\/his friends; he just dropped dead. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe went through a lot of the grief of all of that. And then, I had a chance to watch, live, the memorial service. When his daddy said that, I thought, \u201cYou know what? I want to dedicate a book about running your last lap to a man in his 20s because we never know. We never know when we are running the last lap, which is another good reason to run well.\u201d If you kind of knew, you\u2019d say, \u201cOkay; well, I\u2019ll hang out; I\u2019ll be lazy,\u201d\u2014whatever\u2014\u201c<em>Now<\/em>, it\u2019s the last lap; <em>now<\/em>, I\u2019m going to pick up the pace\u201d; we don\u2019t know that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI couldn\u2019t help myself, Dave; I wanted to dedicate the book to Nick, whom I never met. I\u2019ll meet him in heaven; but because I love his parents so much, and realized just the incredible pain of losing him so early\u2014but when his dad said that at the service\u2014I thought, \u201cI\u2019ve got to put that in the dedication.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, as you think about finishing well, I\u2019ve often said to younger men in my life: \u201cI can\u2019t see the finish line.\u201d I would say that in my 30s; I\u2019d say that in my 40s. I\u2019m starting to say now, \u201cI think I can see the finish line,\u201d\u2014and I\u2019m sort of joking, because I don\u2019t know\/we don\u2019t know\u2014but when you enter your 60s; and you\u2019re around that age\/maybe a little older\u2014you start to realize and <em>feel<\/em> the brevity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You feel the criticalness of every day mattering. I remember Dennis Rainey saying to me, when I turned 60\u2014and I\u2019m not going to tell our listeners how old I am\u2014but it was a couple years ago. He said to me when I turned 60, \u201cThis will be the best decade of your life\u201d; I <em>laughed<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I thought he was joking\u2014right?\u2014\u201cThose decades are behind me\u201d; he <em>meant<\/em> it, like the 60s and 70s, or the 70s to 80s can be the <em>best<\/em> years of your life if you finish well. Talk about that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> You\u2019ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Robert Wolgemuth on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We\u2019ll hear Robert\u2019s response in just a minute; but first, did you know <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is listener-supported? That means we rely on generous gifts from listeners like you; and all this week, when you give any amount to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, as our thanks, we\u2019ll send you a copy of Sam Allberry\u2019s book, <em>What God Has to Say about Our Bodies<\/em>. You can give securely online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can give us a call with your donation at 1-800-358-6329. Again, the number is 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlright, now, let\u2019s get back to Dave and Ann\u2019s conversation with Robert Wolgemuth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Dennis is right, and I\u2019m actually into the next decade\u2014I\u2019m in my 70s\u2014I\u2019m 73. Really, the book is not about dying. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> It\u2019s about running that last lap. Actually, just to kind of lift the veil, I am working on the next book, and it is about dying; it\u2019s called <em>Finish Line<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut this is about living; so: \u201cWhat are you going to do with these years?\u201d As Dennis said, they can be your <em>best<\/em> years; but they also can be very hard years because\u2014and we talk about this in the book\u2014your body doesn\u2019t do what it used to be able to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, just for starters, you can get really frustrated. You may have high expectations for yourself\u2014you may have been an athlete\u2014and you can\u2019t do that anymore. It\u2019s just simple things\u2014climbing stairs\u2014or you get sick, and you realize, \u201cLife is a vapor; there is a brevity to this thing.\u201d I may have been kind of sloppy with certain years; but when you know, \u201cThis could be the end; this could be the last lap you are running,\u201d you get really intentional. You <em>should<\/em> get really intentional, and that\u2019s really what I want to say in this book. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, I would say, Dave, you are just about wheelhouse for this book. People ask me that question: I would say 55 to 65 is wheelhouse, because you are going to be getting to go through some transitions\u2014you may retire from your job\u2014those kinds of things. The lights go on, in many cases, with guys, saying, \u201cYou know what? My life is about to change. I\u2019m going to maybe no longer go to the office every day.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things I talk about is, when you are working, you\u2019ve got colleagues: you\u2019re in constant contact with them; your inbox is filled; your texts fill up every day; your phone rings. Then you cross that line, and that stuff gets <em>quiet<\/em>; and you\u2019re going, \u201cI realize those weren\u2019t necessarily my friends; they were my colleagues. So who loves me now? What am I supposed to do with these years of my life?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI totally embrace what Dennis Rainey is saying about the best years. What I would say is you <em>can\u2019t<\/em> coast into them; you have to be intentional. That\u2019s a big deal. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, as I hear you talk about that, I\u2019m thinking of your late wife, Bobbie. She passed away: how many years ago was that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> She passed away in 2014; October 28, 2014. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is significant for Dave and I; because Austin, our son, and his wife Kendall were very involved. Kendall would say that Bobbie was her mentor. As I think about her\u2014she was diagnosed with ovarian cancer\u2014I think it would be easy to have a pity party, at that point, when you know: \u201cI\u2019m, not only on my last lap; I\u2019m on my last quarter of the lap.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It would be really easy to just kind of check out\u2014you know?\u2014like, \u201cWow! This is really hard. This is before I thought I would be ending my race.\u201d Yet, she continually poured into women\u2014poured into your daughters, poured into your grandchildren\u2014to the very point where Austin and Kendall went to the hospital to have their first daughter after having\u2014it was actually three miscarriages\u2014so they had had Olive. You guys had prayed for them to have a baby for those several years, because they had gone through so much pain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I remember Austin and Kendall saying after Olive was born, on October 22, \u201cWe\u2019re not going to go home right away. We\u2019re going to stop and see Robert and Bobbie, because they have been praying for us. They have been praying for our daughter\/our baby. And we want Bobbie to hold Olive, and we want them to pray over her before she goes to see Jesus.\u201d That was significant because\u2014when Austin and Kendall told us they cried to have Bobbie\u2019s hands on Olive, praying over her\u2014was one of the most meaningful things. You talk about gun lap and finishing well. I know, for our family, that was an incredible blessing; and I know she was that for so many more. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTalk about that a little bit, Robert. How did she keep that perspective of finishing so well? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Well, thanks to the wonders of technology\u2014I knew that Austin and Kendall and Olive were coming to our house\u2014I actually videotaped the whole thing\/I videoed the whole thing. I\u2019ve got Kendall and Austin and Olive, in the little carrier, coming in our door\/our back door; and then coming over and hearing Bobbie, from her hospital bed in the living room, just exclaiming, just delightful, giggling about this chance. I have video of them walking over to her hospital bed, pulling Olive carefully out of the carrier, handing her to Bobbie; Bobbie reaching out her, at that point, bony, feeble arms, and just squealing with delight, holding this child. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Olive\u2019s birthday is five days before Bobbie\u2019s death day; but it\u2019s\u2014those two\u2014they will forever be connected to each other. That was such a God-thing, you guys: just the sweetness that the Lord allowed Bobbie to live long enough to hold this little baby. The visual that I\u2019m seeing\u2014not because I looked at that video just two days ago\u2014of Bobbie reaching out her arms from her hospital bed, and Austin carefully laying this child in Bobbie\u2019s arms. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, it\u2019s Anna and Simeon\u2014that\u2019s what I think of when I see that\u2014holding Jesus in the Temple and exclaiming what delight it was to hold this child. That was really, very much\u2014it was a Simeon\/Anna moment\u2014when Bobbie got to hold this little baby. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You know, as well as anybody, Robert\u2014you know, as parents, you pray your whole life that, when your son or daughter becomes a man or a woman, husband\/wife, they will have mentors\/community in their life that will point them to Jesus\u2014you and Bobbie have been that for our son and daughter-in-law\/for Austin and Kendall. Hearing you talk about that moment: what an answer to prayer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you said earlier, your book is written for men in their 40s\/50s; but it\u2019s actually for 20-year-olds and 30-year-olds because the way Bobbie finished her gun lap has been an inspiration and a model for my son and daughter-in-law, and many others: how to do life\/how to live for Jesus from the birth of Olive\u2014from, you know, the starting lap\u2014to the very end. I don\u2019t even know if you\u2019ll ever know what a blessing you two have been to our family, because you lived so well and modeled that for our own son and daughter-in-law. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Well, thank you for saying that, Dave. One of the really important points of <em>Gun Lap<\/em> is what you are describing now. I\u2019m overwhelmed\/really, humbled with the kind things that you are saying. This isn\u2019t just about <em>my<\/em> life. It\u2019s about what I\u2019m doing with my life as it relates to <em>younger<\/em> men; so the chance to have somebody in my life, like your son Austin, and to be able to pour into <em>him<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou talk about a man with a teachable spirit, a man who is\u2014I mean, you can set your watch by his attitude\u2014it\u2019s the same: it\u2019s upbeat, teachable, kind, happy, pleasant, smart\u2014all those things; this is Austin Wilson. The Lord gave me this young man, who actually set up his office in my home in Orlando. We had several years\u2014in fact, I rarely took a trip after that that I didn\u2019t have Austin be my colleague, my traveling companion, be my GPS in my rental car\u2014or whatever\u2014so that\u2019s the great joy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou guys know this so well. The stewardship of your life poured into younger people brings you more joy than it did when you first experienced it yourself. That\u2019s\/that\u2019s the chapter called \u201cROI: A Nice ROI\u201d\u2014Return on Investment\u2014so that\u2014the truth is I will, in my lifetime, I won\u2019t really know the impact that Bobbie had in Olive\u2019s life or, really, in Kendall and Austin\u2019s life. That\u2019s kind of just paying it forward. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou do what you can: you fail transparently, and you confess when it is time for that; and you also aren\u2019t afraid to say, \u201cThis is the way you do this.\u201d You\u2019ve got an apprentice, who is watching what you do\u2014which, by the way, you know this so well\u2014when that video camera is running, and this younger person is watching you, recording you, that impacts\/that transforms, actually, how you act\/how you live. It\u2019s a two-way gift\u2014it\u2019s a gift to the younger person, but it\u2019s also a gift to you\u2014that the things that you may think of doing, or be tempted to do, when you\u2019ve got a travelling companion, that fixes all of that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is Titus 2\u2014this is passing onto younger people: men to men\/women to women\u2014life-on-life mentoring. And the joy that you have when you get a little bit older\u2014you aren\u2019t smarter\u2014but you are more experienced, which means you\u2019ve made more <em>mistakes<\/em> and learned from them. [Laughter] That\u2019s a big part of this whole gun lap: looking for people to mentor. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSometimes, mentoring is kind of an intimidating word, like, \u201cI\u2019ve got to go through some program, multiple weeks in a row, where\u2026\u201d\u2014no; not necessarily. It\u2019s stuff that is caught; not necessarily taught. That\u2019s the great joy of being this age. The Lord has taught me things, and I\u2019ve failed. I\u2019ve confessed sin; and now, I have something to say\/something that a younger person can learn from. What a joy! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn this case, I got to do this with your kid\u2014sorry, Austin\u2014you\u2019re a man. [Laughter] Now, he is doing it with younger people. We talk every single day in our business; and often, they are over with friends, with little kids, playing\u2014whatever\u2014but I know young men, who are watching your son and saying, \u201cWhen I grow up, I want to be like that,\u201d which helps Austin be more of a man of God. All of that stuff is so sweet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, and it\u2019s a beautiful visual of whether you are on the first lap or the last lap\u2014and again, we don\u2019t know if it\u2019s our first, middle, or last\u2014someone is watching. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And your life matters right here, right now\u2014not just for yourself\u2014but for that person watching, whether it\u2019s your son or daughter, a neighbor, a stranger; it doesn\u2019t matter. Live each <em>day<\/em> like it\u2019s your gun lap\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014in such a way that you will live a legacy that honors Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Amen; that\u2019s exactly right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> You have been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Robert Wolgemuth on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. You can get a copy of Robert\u2019s book, <em>Gun Lap: Finishing Your Race with Grace<\/em>, at FamilyLifeToday.com. The thought that maybe the best years of our marriage are <em>behind<\/em> us can be a really discouraging thought; but what if your marriage could get better and better as you get older and older? Robert Wolgemuth will be back, again, tomorrow with Dave and Ann Wilson to continue that conversation. 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