{"id":307466,"date":"2022-04-08T08:02:10","date_gmt":"2022-04-08T12:02:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/courtney-reissig-glory-in-the-ordinary\/"},"modified":"2022-04-08T08:02:10","modified_gmt":"2022-04-08T12:02:10","slug":"courtney-reissig-glory-in-the-ordinary","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/courtney-reissig-glory-in-the-ordinary\/","title":{"rendered":"Courtney Reissig: Glory in the Ordinary"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The blessings of working at home can be great and eternal. Author Courtney Reissig explains how it is not only a ministry to those in our homes, but an act of worship to our God.<\/p>\n<p>Show Notes and Resources<\/p>\n<p> \tFind resources from this podcast at shop.familylife.com.<br \/>\n \tFind more content and resources on the FamilyLife&#8217;s app!<br \/>\n \tHelp others find Familylife.\u00a0 Leave a review on Apple Podcast or Spotify.<br \/>\n \tCheck out all the Familylife&#8217;s on the FamilyLife Podcast Network<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On FamilyLife Today, we&#8217;ll hear from author Courtney Reissig explain how it is not only a ministry to those in our homes, but an act of worship to our God.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/mp3.familylife.com\/fl2022-04-08.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:27:57","filesize":"25.59M","filesize_raw":"26831901","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2831,2093],"tags":[7069],"podcast_series":[],"cwp_profile":[3418],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-307466","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-wives","category-women","tag-working-at-home","cwp_profile-courtney-reissig","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/307466\/courtney-reissig-glory-in-the-ordinary","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/307466\/courtney-reissig-glory-in-the-ordinary","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"pEoMs1Smuz\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/courtney-reissig-glory-in-the-ordinary\/\">Courtney Reissig: Glory in the Ordinary<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/courtney-reissig-glory-in-the-ordinary\/embed\/#?secret=pEoMs1Smuz\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Courtney Reissig: Glory in the Ordinary&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"pEoMs1Smuz\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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It feels like: \u201cReally? I\u2019ve just cleaned up vomit,\u201d or \u201cI\u2019ve changed 20 poopy diapers.\u201d It feels like: \u201cIs this kingdom work?\u201d We\u2019re going to talk about that a little bit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife<\/em>\u2014<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u2014<em>Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have Courtney Reissig with us today. You wrote a <em>book<\/em> sort of about the\/you call it <em>Glory in the Ordinary: Why Your Work in the Home Matters to God<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re really glad to have you here with us, Courtney.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Thanks for having me!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I even like the title: <em>Glory in the Ordinary<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, I like it too! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I mean, you\u2019re an author; you\u2019re a Bible teacher; you work with Risen Motherhood; you have four kids; you\u2019re married to a guy from Findlay, Ohio, our hometown.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It sounds like you\u2019re not a stay-at-home mom that just does the ordinary thing\u2014 you\u2019re doing a lot of different things\u2014but you wrote a book about <em>feeling that<\/em>. In fact, you open the book with a story about sitting beside a businesswoman on a plane, and she asked you what you do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, when I wrote the book, I was primarily working in the home, and I still do. I work from home. I always joke that my husband and I are like the prairie people; because he works from home, too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Prairie people! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> You know, we\u2019re like the modern prairie people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You\u2019re saying you worked from home <em>before<\/em> COVID?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014before COVID; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Because everybody feels like they work from home, but you did before.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, I started my job at Risen Motherhood in the middle of COVID, so I just did freelance writing and just writing books. I would start something, and then I would pull back. I had a lot of flexibility of like: \u201cI don\u2019t want to write a book,\u201d or \u201c\u2026write an article,\u201d or \u201c\u2026do anything,\u201d\u2014I needed a break\u2014my kids were younger, so I didn\u2019t feel right; it didn\u2019t fit for our family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBefore COVID, my husband traveled <em>a lot<\/em>. Right now, we both work from home;4 so we are primarily in the home all the time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Are your kids at home as well? Are they at school?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> They\u2019re at school.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> My youngest one only goes to preschool two days a week.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Alright.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> But when I wrote this book, I had just had my third son when I got the contract for this book; so I wrote it throughout his whole first year of life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> So you were <em>in it<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I was <em>in it<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Your oldest are twins.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Twins; I had two two-year-olds, and I had a three-week-old baby when I got that contract.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Now when you say, \u201cI was <em>in it<\/em>,\u201d\u2014Ann\u2019s over here\u2014like you two know what \u201cin it\u201d means.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> It\u2019s a language we know; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Every mom knows that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Well, I had three children, two and under. I had three kids in diapers; I had three kids who were in car seats. There was no such thing as a triple stroller, at the time, that I knew of.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And there\u2019s no time to yourself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You\u2019re watching your kids 24 hours a day, making sure they\u2019re safe. They can\u2019t be alone; they\u2019re not really playing on their own that much yet.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; right; no.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> So you have no time to yourself. When you\u2019re in the bathroom, the kids are in the bathroom.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You can barely take a shower.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right. Thankfully, my third son was a very easy baby and slept through the night pretty quickly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> That helped. I felt as rested as you can feel with small children. What was so hard for me is, when I had children, I wanted to stay home with them. But I\u2019ve never been someone who is what I would call a \u201cgood housewife.\u201d I always joke that my husband is a better housewife than me. [Laughter] He\u2019d probably be a really good homeschool dad; he\u2019s just really good at those types of managing types of things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would read books to my kids all day if I could, but I don\u2019t like cleaning. I love cooking\u2014 so that\u2019s easier for me to get my mind around of why that matters\u2014but the cleaning and organizing [not so much]. I understood why children matter\/why taking care of your children matters; I love them deeply.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right; when you say, \u201cthe ordinary,\u201d you\u2019re really talking about taking care of the home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney<\/strong>: Right; the housework. It just was hard for me to wrap my mind around why it mattered.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe impetus behind the book was that my husband had transitioned out of thinking he would go into full-time vocational ministry and continued working as a businessman, and has continued all this time in doing it. We had to come to terms with: \u201cWhy does work in general matter?\u201d \u201cWhy is work,\u2014that\u2019s not just paid vocational ministry work\u2014 why does other work matter to the Lord?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBoth of us were on this journey of figuring out: \u201cWhy does it matter? Why does it matter that you are a businessman, and how is that honoring to God?\u201d and \u201cHow can you honor the Lord?\u201d We had to come to terms with what it means to be an image-bearer of God, and then, because we\u2019re image-bearers of God, we\u2019re also called to work. We see that in Genesis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You\u2019re not even talking about just stay-at-home moms. You\u2019re talking about all of our work, that seems so ordinary, and how we can bring glory to it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> At the same time, though\u2014as you get on that airplane, and she asks you what you do\u2014how did it make you feel when you\u2019re trying to tell her, \u201cI stay at home\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; I would often struggle with\u2014because I had written a book already prior to that point\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; you can say, \u201cI\u2019m an author!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I\u2019m an author; yes. But then you also have to deal with: \u201cWhat kind of author are you?\u201d \u201cI\u2019m a Christian author.\u201d It\u2019s like: \u201cI don\u2019t want to talk about Jesus right now.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHonestly, everyone struggles with that; right? You\u2019re on an airplane, and it\u2019s like, \u201cDo I want to just put my earbuds in and watch a show?\u201d or \u201cDo I want to talk about the gospel?\u201d True confession: that\u2019s hard. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me, I <em>always<\/em> have to struggle with there\u2019s no easy answer. I either say, \u201cI\u2019m in some form of Christian ministry,\u201d \u201cI write a book,\u201d or \u201cI stay home with my children primarily.\u201d But neither of those are respected by a woman in a business suit, sitting next to me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI did struggle with it: \u201cHow do I explain what I do all day?\u201d And then the woman looks at me\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You say, \u201cI write books about finding glory\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014in the ordinary.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> She\u2019d be like, \u201cWhat is that?!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> She\u2019d love it, actually.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes! What I struggled with is she then came back to me and said, \u201cI couldn\u2019t do that; I would get bored all day.\u201d I was like [speaking softly to herself], \u201cWell, I kind of get bored too.\u201d [Laughter] I kind of get a little bored sometimes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was a good reminder to me that the reason why we do work\u2014I sometimes call this \u201chidden work\u201d\u2014the work that nobody sees, but the work that upholds the society. The reason why we do this hidden work is not because maybe we all aspire to it\u2014some people love it; some people love organizing and cleaning\u2014and I\u2019m so glad I\u2019m friends with them. But we do this work because it brings glory to the Lord, and He created us, as image bearers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs image bearers of God, we are called to bring order out of chaos and to exercise dominion over the world that He has made. So if you don\u2019t take the sheets off the bed after the kid throws up on them or pees the bed on them, and wash them, then illness spreads throughout the house. You think, prior to us learning what hygiene was in the modern world, people routinely died from things that could have been prevented, just because someone didn\u2019t clean it. These things that we do every day are actually, not only imaging God, but are sustaining life and caring for people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I make mac and cheese for my boys\u2014when they ask me, \u201cWill you make mac and cheese for lunch?\u201d\u2014and I\u2019d rather do peanut butter and jelly because it\u2019s way easier\u2014[Laughter]\u2014and they ask for that, I\u2019m filling a hungry belly. I\u2019m not only filling hungry bellies; I\u2019m an image-bearer, who\u2019s showing them what God is like and that God gives good things. God gives us good things like mac and cheese, because I like mac and cheese.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Who doesn\u2019t?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I know! I really sometimes wish I didn\u2019t like the mac and cheese. I\u2019m like, \u201cI\u2019ll just eat mac and cheese with you; it\u2019s fine.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You take us back to Genesis 3, about how God gives us work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Talk about that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; yes. In the garden, God created Adam and Eve, and then He gave them a job to do. It says: \u201cGod created male and female in His own image; in the image of God He created them,\u201d and then it goes on to explain the creation mandate, which is, \u201cBe fruitful and multiply, exercise dominion, and bring order out of chaos, and fill the earth.\u201d [Genesis 1:27-28, Paraphrased]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSometimes we see this only in the form of marriage and having children; which is a good explanation of that. But also, God gave them jobs to do. Then you see throughout Scripture elsewhere\u2014in creation, God created out of nothing\u2014and we don\u2019t do that. We always are creating with raw materials that God created. But as His image-bearers\/as the ones who are telling a story of what He is like, we take the things of this world that He has created and then go make more things to bring glory to Him but then, also, to love the world that He has made.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI love the story in\u2014I think it\u2019s in Exodus, where Oholiab and there\u2019s another guy\u2014I can\u2019t say his name; it starts with a \u201cB\u201d [Bezalel]\u2014they are the ones who are creating the things to go in the Tabernacle. It says that the Lord gave them skill and then gave them joy in their work. [Exodus 35-36]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It says he anointed them with the Holy Spirit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> He anointed them; yes\u2014and with skill to create things that\u2014they were artisans.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> There\u2019s so much in our work that brings glory and honor to Him. Whether you\u2019re in the home, doing laundry; or you\u2019re mowing the grass; or you\u2019re cleaning out the refrigerator\/the mold that grows in the refrigerator\u2014because again, people could get sick\u2014you\u2019re loving other image-bearers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr you\u2019re like my husband\u2014who works in the medical industry of selling operating room equipment\/selling life-saving equipment so that people\u2019s lives can be sustained\u2014this work brings glory and honor to the Lord and tells the world what He is like. As Christians, who are in whatever sphere that they find themselves in, it\u2019s good work, even if it\u2019s <em>hidden<\/em> work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy work looks a little different now that I work part-time. Most of my kids are in school, and our life just looks so different. I\u2019m not in the trenches with little children at home. It\u2019s weird now that I sometimes have the opposite effect now, where I\u2019m like, \u201cBut I mostly stay home, and I am deeply invested in my home, and I am deeply invested in my kids.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Courtney, you are still in the trenches.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I know. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019m thinking of the age of your kids; and I\u2019m like, \u201cOh no; those are still hard years.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> They are hard years; they just feel so less hard. You know when they\u2019re like a herd; they move into new seasons together, because they\u2019re all so close in age.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann<\/strong>: Yes. I remember my mom was a stay-at-home mom\u2014four of us\u2014and she <em>loved<\/em> being at home. She loved cooking; she loved cleaning. She always had this attitude of: \u201cI get to do this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember thinking, \u201cAre you kidding?! This seems like it\u2019s doing <em>nothing<\/em>.\u201d Yet, she would sing; she was so happy. She would make dinner; and she\u2019d say, \u201cCome and help me; this is going to be so fun.\u201d I remember her teaching me how to clean and dust. She goes, \u201cYou\u2019re going to be the <em>best<\/em> little duster ever.\u201d She had me cleaning the bathroom when I was <em>four<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> She\u2019s still amazing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> That\u2019s a good motivation for me to have my kids do that. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I mean, it was just her attitude:\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cLook what we get to do today!\u201d It wasn\u2019t that I grew up in a Christian home, but her attitude about work\u2014my dad had it, too\u2014\u201cWe <em>get<\/em> to do this. We <em>get<\/em> to learn how to work hard.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, when you put a biblical context to that, this brings glory to God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> When our kids were little, with three boys growing up, our bathrooms\u2014I\u2019m just saying\u2014they were <em>gross<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s very gross.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s gross. I can remember cleaning around the toilet, thinking, \u201cThis is the <em>grossest<\/em> thing ever.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> It\u2019s so gross; yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014or the wall. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> The wall\u2014yes, yes, the wall! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s awful!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Every time I clean the bathroom, I\u2019m like, \u201cI have to get the wall and the floor.<strong>\u201d<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I know! I remember, as I\u2019m cleaning and I have this bad attitude; like, \u201cThis is just gross,\u201d and \u201cI can\u2019t wait for them to get older, that they\u2019re going to be cleaning this.\u201d And then I had this thought; like, \u201cThis is worship.\u201d I remember having that thought, like, \u201cWait, where did that\u2026? That\u2019s not even true.\u201d Yet, when we do it <em>unto<\/em> the Lord, our mundane acts can bring glory to Him; because we can do it for Him as an act of worship, especially when no one sees.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right, right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We\u2019re doing it for Him; like, \u201cLord, this seems like monotonous and dumb and horrible; and yet, I\u2019m doing it for <em>You<\/em>.\u201d Then it has a different meaning to it. I felt like He\u2019s cheering me; like, \u201cYou go, girl. Look at you cleaning those toilets!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, yes! Everyone has different standards of cleanliness and desires, but my husband feels deeply loved when things are really clean.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So does this husband.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Do you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> He feels really loved, and he can <em>relax<\/em> when it\u2019s clean.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Is that pressure? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> No, because he likes to clean, too. It\u2019s been a little bit of a process in our marriage of me being like, \u201cAre you judging me right now that you\u2019re cleaning and I\u2019m not, or are you\u2026?\u201d He\u2019s like, \u201cNo, I just like it; I just want to do it.\u201d It\u2019s been helpful; he likes to clean. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt has helped me, especially when he would travel a lot, to think in terms of: \u201cHe\u2019ll be able to rest if he comes home if it\u2019s clean.\u201d I can live with a little bit more mess than he can\/clutter than he can.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s funny, as we\u2019ve morphed\/as we\u2019ve been married long enough, we\u2019ve started to morph into the same person. I\u2019ve wanted more cleanliness, being married to him, than I used to prefer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I know that one of my favorite passages in Scripture\u2014it\u2019s just a simple passage\u2014and I think it\u2019s so powerful to me because when I came to Christ in college\u2014I was a college athlete\/a football player\u2014and the guy who led me to Christ, one of the <em>first<\/em> things he did, when he discipled me is, he said, \u201cLet me give you a perspective on how you play football.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember thinking, \u201cWhat do you\u2026?\u201d This guy wasn\u2019t an athlete, so I was looking at Bill, like, \u201cWhat do you\u2026\u201d He goes to Colossians 3:23. I memorized it years ago; it\u2019s like: \u201cWhatever you do, do your work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men, knowing that from the Lord you will receive a reward.\u201d I remember Bill teaching me, \u201cWhat you do on a football field matters from a <em>glory standpoint.<\/em>\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Your title, <em>Glory in the Ordinary<\/em>\u2014it\u2019s like: \u201cOh, no; it matters to people, who like sports and maybe this college, and it does pay for my education,\u201d\u2014no, no. He\u2019s saying to the Lord. It wasn\u2019t how many touchdowns you throw or score; it was <em>how you do what He\u2019s given you to do<\/em>. It elevated\u2014it got rid of the secular\/spiritual dichotomy\u2014it was like:\u201cEverything\u2019s spiritual.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> If you understand the Lord has given you gifts, and He\u2019s put you in this role\u2014do it for the Lord, not for men\u2014you\u2019re not even playing for this university. I used to teach the Detroit Lions, whoever were followers of Christ: \u201cYou\u2019re not playing for an owner; you\u2019re not playing for the fans of Detroit. You\u2019re actually playing for the Lord. Whether you\u2019re watching film, whether it\u2019s Monday and you\u2019re practicing, or it\u2019s Sunday and you\u2019re playing\u201d\u2014because we elevate the game to its most important; no\u2014 \u201cEverything you do actually really, really matters.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you have that perspective\u2014whether it\u2019s a stay-at-home mom, a plumber, a medical salesman, a teacher; you name it\u2014that <em>changes<\/em> your perspective. It\u2019s like: \u201cOh, I do this unto the Lord, and it\u2019s a gift from God to be able to work.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Work\u2019s not a curse; it\u2019s a blessing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> No; it\u2019s a blessing; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I love what you say, Courtney. You say, \u201cEveryone wants a revolution; nobody wants to do the dishes.\u201d [Laughter] It\u2019s what you\u2019re saying, Dave\u2014you want the game day\u2014it\u2019s the practice that feels mundane and ordinary.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; it\u2019s that faithfulness in the ordinary that actually eventually leads to greatness\u2014not, maybe, in the world\u2019s eyes\u2014God\u2019s after our faithfulness, and He\u2019s after our obedience. Whether that\u2019s writing a book, or disciplining my kids and having a hard conversation about an attitude or something: those things are honoring to Him, because people matter to Him\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014because they\u2019re created in His image. Whether it\u2019s one person or 5,000 people, they all matter to Him. I love that. It makes me think of the Eric Liddell quote, where he says, \u201cWhen I run, I feel His pleasure.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I just finished reading his biography to my boys. I read them a biography on\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSundays; we just go through Christian biographies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s fun.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; whether he was on the mission field or whether he was on a track, his heart was always to honor the Lord and to be faithful to the Lord. That\u2019s what I hope my boys would learn, and that\u2019s what I want to model for them is that my work is valuable.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are trying to instill that in them with cleaning now. Because one of the things I talk about in the book, too, is that we\u2019re all contributors\/that we are all contributors to the work of the home. Whether or not you\u2019re three, or you\u2019re almost forty, everyone has a job to do: \u201cYou\u2019re a part of this home. As a member of this home, sometimes you don\u2019t like it, and sometimes work just feels really boring and hard.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I remember writing in my journal one day\u2014and I share this\/I think I read this at the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014how it was just one of those days with [three] boys under five\u2014one had an ear infection; somebody had a cold\u2014it\u2019s just you\u2019re grinding it out, and the day feels like it goes on for a million years\u2014I wrote in there, \u201cI\u2019m so tired of the mundane days.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, a few days later, I was reading; and all of a sudden, I write this: \u201cC.J. said, \u2018Can we keep praying for Austin?\u2019 who was only three. I said, \u2018What do you want to pray?\u2019 He said, \u2018I just want to pray that he gets into heaven.\u2019\u201d Because we had explained the gospel; we had explained the need for a Savior, and sin and separation. He said, \u201cI just don\u2019t want Austin to be an old man, and to die, and not have Jesus in his life. So we need to pray, Mom, so we can all get to heaven.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just wrote in my journal that day, \u201cAmong the mundane comes the miraculous.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> When you can step back and get God\u2019s heart on it, that there\u2019s really glory in this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have to tell you this story\u2014I\u2019ve never forgotten\u2014a preacher preached this. A buddy of his was a contractor on his house, so they\u2019re building his house. He said he talked to his buddy\u2014I think his name was Bob\u2014and he said, \u201cDude, I\u2019m sitting on your front slab. It\u2019s going terrible, and things aren\u2019t showing up.\u201d He goes, \u201cI\u2019m literally having a pity party. I\u2019m sitting on the front slab, and I\u2019m hating my job, and guys are inside, trying to get things done. But it\u2019s just a <em>bad<\/em> day. I\u2019m not enjoying this, and I\u2019m really upset.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe [Bob] goes, \u201cAll of a sudden, this pickup truck rolls right up in front of your house,\u201d\u2014 you know, there\u2019s no yard yet; it\u2019s just dirt\u2014he [Bob] goes, \u201cThis loud music\u2019s playing, and this dude gets out of this pickup truck.\u201d He\u2019s [Bob\u2019s] like, \u201cWho is this guy?\u201d He starts walking right toward him, sitting on the front\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and he\u2019s super happy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, he\u2019s happy. He\u2019s singing to loud music; he had tattoos on his arm. He [Bob] goes, \u201cWho is this guy? We don\u2019t expect anybody to show up and help us today.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe walks up, and he goes, \u201cHey, where\u2019s your Port-a-john?\u201d He [Bob] goes, \u201cIt\u2019s in the back.\u201d He goes, \u201cI\u2019m the Port-a-john cleaner; I\u2019ll see you in a minute!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe [Bob] goes, \u201cOkay.\u201d The guy goes back there; and all the workers watch this guy, because he was <em>full<\/em> of this joy. He goes in there, and he\u2019s banging around; and he\u2019s in there longer than anybody\u2019s ever done it. He comes out and he [Bob] goes, \u201cHe looks at me and he goes, \u2018Dude, whoever used to clean that port-a-potty did a really bad job! Let me tell you: I\u2019m going to take care of you from now on. It\u2019s going to be perfect!\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob said, \u201cI looked at him and said, \u2018Okay, sounds good.\u2019 He [cleaner] turned to go to his truck, and he turned around and he goes, \u2018Because I work for the Lord!\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Oh, that\u2019s amazing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> He gets in his truck and he says, as he blares away, he hears worship music <em>blaring<\/em> out of his truck. Bob said he told this preacher, \u201cDude, there I am, sitting there, complaining about my life; because I\u2019m a contractor and things aren\u2019t showing up. And there\u2019s that guy, who\u2019s a Port-a-john cleaner, who probably at his high school graduation, did not think, \u2018I\u2019m going to be a\u2026\u2019 But there he is; and he saw glory in the\u2026\u201d\u2014you talk about the ordinary; that\u2019s <em>below<\/em> ordinary.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s just gross! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Why do I tell that story? I\u2019ve <em>never<\/em> forgotten that illustration; I\u2019m like, \u201cOh man, I complain every day.\u201d Whether it\u2019s diapers or\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014toilets.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014God has given us an opportunity; it\u2019s right in front of us. It\u2019s very ordinary; it may be very hard. And He says, \u201cWhatever you do, do your work for Me, not for men. I can bring something into the middle of your mess.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Thanks for your book: it\u2019s a reminder, and I think something to challenge us all, to say, \u201cWhat we do matters.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Exactly; thanks for having me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> The next time you\u2019re opening a box of mac and cheese, or waiting in the carpool line, or going through the mundane of keeping a family together, just keep in mind that what you\u2019re doing has an eternal purpose. God is using those moments to shape, not only <em>your<\/em> life, but the lives of your children as well. There is<em> Glory in the Ordinary<\/em>; that\u2019s the name of Courtney Reissig\u2019s book. It\u2019s a book that we have in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. It helps remind us of the value of all that we do\u2014that God is present in those moments\u2014He\u2019s at work in all of life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can get a copy of Courtney\u2019s book. Order it from our website\u2014you can go to FamilyLifeToday.com and order there\u2014or you could call and order at 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, here at FamilyLife, there are the voices you hear every day, Dave and Ann Wilson; there are the people who work behind the scenes here at FamilyLife to make this daily program\/this podcast available; and then there\u2019s a whole group of people who are ultimately responsible for all of us being able to listen to the conversation that Dave and Ann and Courtney had today. That would be those of you who contribute to our ongoing work of this ministry, especially our monthly partners, those of you who give monthly to ensure that <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is able to continue in our mission.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so grateful for all of you who, as listeners, have joined the team and are helping us to reach more people\/more people, more often, because of your financial support helping us effectively develop godly marriages and families.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you have never joined that team\/if you\u2019ve never made a donation to support the ongoing work of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, and if God has used <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> in your life in any kind of a significant way, I challenge you to go online and make a donation, or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. Be a part of paying it forward; help others with the same kind of help that you\u2019ve received.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you can do that this week, we\u2019d love to send you a copy of Laura Story\u2019s book, <em>So Long Normal<\/em>. When life is crazy and shifting, like right now, you don\u2019t have to wring your hands in fear. You can push past the loss of your \u201cnormal\u201d and embrace the new story God is writing for you. The book, again, is called <em>So Long Normal<\/em>; and it\u2019s our gift to you when you make a donation this week to support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. You can donate online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. We look forward to hearing from you. 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FamilyLife Today, we'll hear from author Courtney Reissig explain how it is not only a ministry to those in our homes, but an act of worship to our God.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2022-04-08.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014did you ever feel like what you were doing wasn\u2019t important?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Especially coming out of ministry, and then deciding to stay at home\u2014I did some stuff part-time\u2014but I just felt like, \u201cAm I really impacting the world for Jesus right now?\u201d I did have that thought.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Do you feel like a lot of moms feel that way, or even stay-at-home dads?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, I think so; because it feels so monotonous and mundane. It feels like: \u201cReally? I\u2019ve just cleaned up vomit,\u201d or \u201cI\u2019ve changed 20 poopy diapers.\u201d It feels like: \u201cIs this kingdom work?\u201d We\u2019re going to talk about that a little bit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife<\/em>\u2014<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u2014<em>Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have Courtney Reissig with us today. You wrote a <em>book<\/em> sort of about the\/you call it <em>Glory in the Ordinary: Why Your Work in the Home Matters to God<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re really glad to have you here with us, Courtney.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Thanks for having me!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I even like the title: <em>Glory in the Ordinary<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, I like it too! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I mean, you\u2019re an author; you\u2019re a Bible teacher; you work with Risen Motherhood; you have four kids; you\u2019re married to a guy from Findlay, Ohio, our hometown.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It sounds like you\u2019re not a stay-at-home mom that just does the ordinary thing\u2014 you\u2019re doing a lot of different things\u2014but you wrote a book about <em>feeling that<\/em>. In fact, you open the book with a story about sitting beside a businesswoman on a plane, and she asked you what you do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, when I wrote the book, I was primarily working in the home, and I still do. I work from home. I always joke that my husband and I are like the prairie people; because he works from home, too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Prairie people! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> You know, we\u2019re like the modern prairie people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You\u2019re saying you worked from home <em>before<\/em> COVID?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014before COVID; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Because everybody feels like they work from home, but you did before.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, I started my job at Risen Motherhood in the middle of COVID, so I just did freelance writing and just writing books. I would start something, and then I would pull back. I had a lot of flexibility of like: \u201cI don\u2019t want to write a book,\u201d or \u201c\u2026write an article,\u201d or \u201c\u2026do anything,\u201d\u2014I needed a break\u2014my kids were younger, so I didn\u2019t feel right; it didn\u2019t fit for our family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBefore COVID, my husband traveled <em>a lot<\/em>. Right now, we both work from home;4 so we are primarily in the home all the time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Are your kids at home as well? Are they at school?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> They\u2019re at school.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> My youngest one only goes to preschool two days a week.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Alright.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> But when I wrote this book, I had just had my third son when I got the contract for this book; so I wrote it throughout his whole first year of life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> So you were <em>in it<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I was <em>in it<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Your oldest are twins.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Twins; I had two two-year-olds, and I had a three-week-old baby when I got that contract.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Now when you say, \u201cI was <em>in it<\/em>,\u201d\u2014Ann\u2019s over here\u2014like you two know what \u201cin it\u201d means.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> It\u2019s a language we know; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Every mom knows that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Well, I had three children, two and under. I had three kids in diapers; I had three kids who were in car seats. There was no such thing as a triple stroller, at the time, that I knew of.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And there\u2019s no time to yourself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You\u2019re watching your kids 24 hours a day, making sure they\u2019re safe. They can\u2019t be alone; they\u2019re not really playing on their own that much yet.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; right; no.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> So you have no time to yourself. When you\u2019re in the bathroom, the kids are in the bathroom.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You can barely take a shower.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right. Thankfully, my third son was a very easy baby and slept through the night pretty quickly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> That helped. I felt as rested as you can feel with small children. What was so hard for me is, when I had children, I wanted to stay home with them. But I\u2019ve never been someone who is what I would call a \u201cgood housewife.\u201d I always joke that my husband is a better housewife than me. [Laughter] He\u2019d probably be a really good homeschool dad; he\u2019s just really good at those types of managing types of things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would read books to my kids all day if I could, but I don\u2019t like cleaning. I love cooking\u2014 so that\u2019s easier for me to get my mind around of why that matters\u2014but the cleaning and organizing [not so much]. I understood why children matter\/why taking care of your children matters; I love them deeply.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right; when you say, \u201cthe ordinary,\u201d you\u2019re really talking about taking care of the home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney<\/strong>: Right; the housework. It just was hard for me to wrap my mind around why it mattered.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe impetus behind the book was that my husband had transitioned out of thinking he would go into full-time vocational ministry and continued working as a businessman, and has continued all this time in doing it. We had to come to terms with: \u201cWhy does work in general matter?\u201d \u201cWhy is work,\u2014that\u2019s not just paid vocational ministry work\u2014 why does other work matter to the Lord?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBoth of us were on this journey of figuring out: \u201cWhy does it matter? Why does it matter that you are a businessman, and how is that honoring to God?\u201d and \u201cHow can you honor the Lord?\u201d We had to come to terms with what it means to be an image-bearer of God, and then, because we\u2019re image-bearers of God, we\u2019re also called to work. We see that in Genesis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You\u2019re not even talking about just stay-at-home moms. You\u2019re talking about all of our work, that seems so ordinary, and how we can bring glory to it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> At the same time, though\u2014as you get on that airplane, and she asks you what you do\u2014how did it make you feel when you\u2019re trying to tell her, \u201cI stay at home\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; I would often struggle with\u2014because I had written a book already prior to that point\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; you can say, \u201cI\u2019m an author!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I\u2019m an author; yes. But then you also have to deal with: \u201cWhat kind of author are you?\u201d \u201cI\u2019m a Christian author.\u201d It\u2019s like: \u201cI don\u2019t want to talk about Jesus right now.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHonestly, everyone struggles with that; right? You\u2019re on an airplane, and it\u2019s like, \u201cDo I want to just put my earbuds in and watch a show?\u201d or \u201cDo I want to talk about the gospel?\u201d True confession: that\u2019s hard. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me, I <em>always<\/em> have to struggle with there\u2019s no easy answer. I either say, \u201cI\u2019m in some form of Christian ministry,\u201d \u201cI write a book,\u201d or \u201cI stay home with my children primarily.\u201d But neither of those are respected by a woman in a business suit, sitting next to me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI did struggle with it: \u201cHow do I explain what I do all day?\u201d And then the woman looks at me\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You say, \u201cI write books about finding glory\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014in the ordinary.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> She\u2019d be like, \u201cWhat is that?!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> She\u2019d love it, actually.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes! What I struggled with is she then came back to me and said, \u201cI couldn\u2019t do that; I would get bored all day.\u201d I was like [speaking softly to herself], \u201cWell, I kind of get bored too.\u201d [Laughter] I kind of get a little bored sometimes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was a good reminder to me that the reason why we do work\u2014I sometimes call this \u201chidden work\u201d\u2014the work that nobody sees, but the work that upholds the society. The reason why we do this hidden work is not because maybe we all aspire to it\u2014some people love it; some people love organizing and cleaning\u2014and I\u2019m so glad I\u2019m friends with them. But we do this work because it brings glory to the Lord, and He created us, as image bearers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs image bearers of God, we are called to bring order out of chaos and to exercise dominion over the world that He has made. So if you don\u2019t take the sheets off the bed after the kid throws up on them or pees the bed on them, and wash them, then illness spreads throughout the house. You think, prior to us learning what hygiene was in the modern world, people routinely died from things that could have been prevented, just because someone didn\u2019t clean it. These things that we do every day are actually, not only imaging God, but are sustaining life and caring for people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I make mac and cheese for my boys\u2014when they ask me, \u201cWill you make mac and cheese for lunch?\u201d\u2014and I\u2019d rather do peanut butter and jelly because it\u2019s way easier\u2014[Laughter]\u2014and they ask for that, I\u2019m filling a hungry belly. I\u2019m not only filling hungry bellies; I\u2019m an image-bearer, who\u2019s showing them what God is like and that God gives good things. God gives us good things like mac and cheese, because I like mac and cheese.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Who doesn\u2019t?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I know! I really sometimes wish I didn\u2019t like the mac and cheese. I\u2019m like, \u201cI\u2019ll just eat mac and cheese with you; it\u2019s fine.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You take us back to Genesis 3, about how God gives us work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Talk about that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; yes. In the garden, God created Adam and Eve, and then He gave them a job to do. It says: \u201cGod created male and female in His own image; in the image of God He created them,\u201d and then it goes on to explain the creation mandate, which is, \u201cBe fruitful and multiply, exercise dominion, and bring order out of chaos, and fill the earth.\u201d [Genesis 1:27-28, Paraphrased]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSometimes we see this only in the form of marriage and having children; which is a good explanation of that. But also, God gave them jobs to do. Then you see throughout Scripture elsewhere\u2014in creation, God created out of nothing\u2014and we don\u2019t do that. We always are creating with raw materials that God created. But as His image-bearers\/as the ones who are telling a story of what He is like, we take the things of this world that He has created and then go make more things to bring glory to Him but then, also, to love the world that He has made.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI love the story in\u2014I think it\u2019s in Exodus, where Oholiab and there\u2019s another guy\u2014I can\u2019t say his name; it starts with a \u201cB\u201d [Bezalel]\u2014they are the ones who are creating the things to go in the Tabernacle. It says that the Lord gave them skill and then gave them joy in their work. [Exodus 35-36]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It says he anointed them with the Holy Spirit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> He anointed them; yes\u2014and with skill to create things that\u2014they were artisans.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> There\u2019s so much in our work that brings glory and honor to Him. Whether you\u2019re in the home, doing laundry; or you\u2019re mowing the grass; or you\u2019re cleaning out the refrigerator\/the mold that grows in the refrigerator\u2014because again, people could get sick\u2014you\u2019re loving other image-bearers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr you\u2019re like my husband\u2014who works in the medical industry of selling operating room equipment\/selling life-saving equipment so that people\u2019s lives can be sustained\u2014this work brings glory and honor to the Lord and tells the world what He is like. As Christians, who are in whatever sphere that they find themselves in, it\u2019s good work, even if it\u2019s <em>hidden<\/em> work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy work looks a little different now that I work part-time. Most of my kids are in school, and our life just looks so different. I\u2019m not in the trenches with little children at home. It\u2019s weird now that I sometimes have the opposite effect now, where I\u2019m like, \u201cBut I mostly stay home, and I am deeply invested in my home, and I am deeply invested in my kids.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Courtney, you are still in the trenches.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I know. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019m thinking of the age of your kids; and I\u2019m like, \u201cOh no; those are still hard years.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> They are hard years; they just feel so less hard. You know when they\u2019re like a herd; they move into new seasons together, because they\u2019re all so close in age.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann<\/strong>: Yes. I remember my mom was a stay-at-home mom\u2014four of us\u2014and she <em>loved<\/em> being at home. She loved cooking; she loved cleaning. She always had this attitude of: \u201cI get to do this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember thinking, \u201cAre you kidding?! This seems like it\u2019s doing <em>nothing<\/em>.\u201d Yet, she would sing; she was so happy. She would make dinner; and she\u2019d say, \u201cCome and help me; this is going to be so fun.\u201d I remember her teaching me how to clean and dust. She goes, \u201cYou\u2019re going to be the <em>best<\/em> little duster ever.\u201d She had me cleaning the bathroom when I was <em>four<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> She\u2019s still amazing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> That\u2019s a good motivation for me to have my kids do that. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I mean, it was just her attitude:\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cLook what we get to do today!\u201d It wasn\u2019t that I grew up in a Christian home, but her attitude about work\u2014my dad had it, too\u2014\u201cWe <em>get<\/em> to do this. We <em>get<\/em> to learn how to work hard.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, when you put a biblical context to that, this brings glory to God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> When our kids were little, with three boys growing up, our bathrooms\u2014I\u2019m just saying\u2014they were <em>gross<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s very gross.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s gross. I can remember cleaning around the toilet, thinking, \u201cThis is the <em>grossest<\/em> thing ever.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> It\u2019s so gross; yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014or the wall. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> The wall\u2014yes, yes, the wall! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s awful!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Every time I clean the bathroom, I\u2019m like, \u201cI have to get the wall and the floor.<strong>\u201d<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I know! I remember, as I\u2019m cleaning and I have this bad attitude; like, \u201cThis is just gross,\u201d and \u201cI can\u2019t wait for them to get older, that they\u2019re going to be cleaning this.\u201d And then I had this thought; like, \u201cThis is worship.\u201d I remember having that thought, like, \u201cWait, where did that\u2026? That\u2019s not even true.\u201d Yet, when we do it <em>unto<\/em> the Lord, our mundane acts can bring glory to Him; because we can do it for Him as an act of worship, especially when no one sees.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right, right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We\u2019re doing it for Him; like, \u201cLord, this seems like monotonous and dumb and horrible; and yet, I\u2019m doing it for <em>You<\/em>.\u201d Then it has a different meaning to it. I felt like He\u2019s cheering me; like, \u201cYou go, girl. Look at you cleaning those toilets!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, yes! Everyone has different standards of cleanliness and desires, but my husband feels deeply loved when things are really clean.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So does this husband.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Do you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> He feels really loved, and he can <em>relax<\/em> when it\u2019s clean.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Is that pressure? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> No, because he likes to clean, too. It\u2019s been a little bit of a process in our marriage of me being like, \u201cAre you judging me right now that you\u2019re cleaning and I\u2019m not, or are you\u2026?\u201d He\u2019s like, \u201cNo, I just like it; I just want to do it.\u201d It\u2019s been helpful; he likes to clean. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt has helped me, especially when he would travel a lot, to think in terms of: \u201cHe\u2019ll be able to rest if he comes home if it\u2019s clean.\u201d I can live with a little bit more mess than he can\/clutter than he can.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s funny, as we\u2019ve morphed\/as we\u2019ve been married long enough, we\u2019ve started to morph into the same person. I\u2019ve wanted more cleanliness, being married to him, than I used to prefer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I know that one of my favorite passages in Scripture\u2014it\u2019s just a simple passage\u2014and I think it\u2019s so powerful to me because when I came to Christ in college\u2014I was a college athlete\/a football player\u2014and the guy who led me to Christ, one of the <em>first<\/em> things he did, when he discipled me is, he said, \u201cLet me give you a perspective on how you play football.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember thinking, \u201cWhat do you\u2026?\u201d This guy wasn\u2019t an athlete, so I was looking at Bill, like, \u201cWhat do you\u2026\u201d He goes to Colossians 3:23. I memorized it years ago; it\u2019s like: \u201cWhatever you do, do your work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men, knowing that from the Lord you will receive a reward.\u201d I remember Bill teaching me, \u201cWhat you do on a football field matters from a <em>glory standpoint.<\/em>\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Your title, <em>Glory in the Ordinary<\/em>\u2014it\u2019s like: \u201cOh, no; it matters to people, who like sports and maybe this college, and it does pay for my education,\u201d\u2014no, no. He\u2019s saying to the Lord. It wasn\u2019t how many touchdowns you throw or score; it was <em>how you do what He\u2019s given you to do<\/em>. It elevated\u2014it got rid of the secular\/spiritual dichotomy\u2014it was like:\u201cEverything\u2019s spiritual.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> If you understand the Lord has given you gifts, and He\u2019s put you in this role\u2014do it for the Lord, not for men\u2014you\u2019re not even playing for this university. I used to teach the Detroit Lions, whoever were followers of Christ: \u201cYou\u2019re not playing for an owner; you\u2019re not playing for the fans of Detroit. You\u2019re actually playing for the Lord. Whether you\u2019re watching film, whether it\u2019s Monday and you\u2019re practicing, or it\u2019s Sunday and you\u2019re playing\u201d\u2014because we elevate the game to its most important; no\u2014 \u201cEverything you do actually really, really matters.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you have that perspective\u2014whether it\u2019s a stay-at-home mom, a plumber, a medical salesman, a teacher; you name it\u2014that <em>changes<\/em> your perspective. It\u2019s like: \u201cOh, I do this unto the Lord, and it\u2019s a gift from God to be able to work.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Work\u2019s not a curse; it\u2019s a blessing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> No; it\u2019s a blessing; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I love what you say, Courtney. You say, \u201cEveryone wants a revolution; nobody wants to do the dishes.\u201d [Laughter] It\u2019s what you\u2019re saying, Dave\u2014you want the game day\u2014it\u2019s the practice that feels mundane and ordinary.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; it\u2019s that faithfulness in the ordinary that actually eventually leads to greatness\u2014not, maybe, in the world\u2019s eyes\u2014God\u2019s after our faithfulness, and He\u2019s after our obedience. Whether that\u2019s writing a book, or disciplining my kids and having a hard conversation about an attitude or something: those things are honoring to Him, because people matter to Him\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014because they\u2019re created in His image. Whether it\u2019s one person or 5,000 people, they all matter to Him. I love that. It makes me think of the Eric Liddell quote, where he says, \u201cWhen I run, I feel His pleasure.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I just finished reading his biography to my boys. I read them a biography on\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSundays; we just go through Christian biographies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s fun.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; whether he was on the mission field or whether he was on a track, his heart was always to honor the Lord and to be faithful to the Lord. That\u2019s what I hope my boys would learn, and that\u2019s what I want to model for them is that my work is valuable.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are trying to instill that in them with cleaning now. Because one of the things I talk about in the book, too, is that we\u2019re all contributors\/that we are all contributors to the work of the home. Whether or not you\u2019re three, or you\u2019re almost forty, everyone has a job to do: \u201cYou\u2019re a part of this home. As a member of this home, sometimes you don\u2019t like it, and sometimes work just feels really boring and hard.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I remember writing in my journal one day\u2014and I share this\/I think I read this at the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014how it was just one of those days with [three] boys under five\u2014one had an ear infection; somebody had a cold\u2014it\u2019s just you\u2019re grinding it out, and the day feels like it goes on for a million years\u2014I wrote in there, \u201cI\u2019m so tired of the mundane days.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, a few days later, I was reading; and all of a sudden, I write this: \u201cC.J. said, \u2018Can we keep praying for Austin?\u2019 who was only three. I said, \u2018What do you want to pray?\u2019 He said, \u2018I just want to pray that he gets into heaven.\u2019\u201d Because we had explained the gospel; we had explained the need for a Savior, and sin and separation. He said, \u201cI just don\u2019t want Austin to be an old man, and to die, and not have Jesus in his life. So we need to pray, Mom, so we can all get to heaven.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just wrote in my journal that day, \u201cAmong the mundane comes the miraculous.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> When you can step back and get God\u2019s heart on it, that there\u2019s really glory in this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have to tell you this story\u2014I\u2019ve never forgotten\u2014a preacher preached this. A buddy of his was a contractor on his house, so they\u2019re building his house. He said he talked to his buddy\u2014I think his name was Bob\u2014and he said, \u201cDude, I\u2019m sitting on your front slab. It\u2019s going terrible, and things aren\u2019t showing up.\u201d He goes, \u201cI\u2019m literally having a pity party. I\u2019m sitting on the front slab, and I\u2019m hating my job, and guys are inside, trying to get things done. But it\u2019s just a <em>bad<\/em> day. I\u2019m not enjoying this, and I\u2019m really upset.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe [Bob] goes, \u201cAll of a sudden, this pickup truck rolls right up in front of your house,\u201d\u2014 you know, there\u2019s no yard yet; it\u2019s just dirt\u2014he [Bob] goes, \u201cThis loud music\u2019s playing, and this dude gets out of this pickup truck.\u201d He\u2019s [Bob\u2019s] like, \u201cWho is this guy?\u201d He starts walking right toward him, sitting on the front\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and he\u2019s super happy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, he\u2019s happy. He\u2019s singing to loud music; he had tattoos on his arm. He [Bob] goes, \u201cWho is this guy? We don\u2019t expect anybody to show up and help us today.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe walks up, and he goes, \u201cHey, where\u2019s your Port-a-john?\u201d He [Bob] goes, \u201cIt\u2019s in the back.\u201d He goes, \u201cI\u2019m the Port-a-john cleaner; I\u2019ll see you in a minute!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe [Bob] goes, \u201cOkay.\u201d The guy goes back there; and all the workers watch this guy, because he was <em>full<\/em> of this joy. He goes in there, and he\u2019s banging around; and he\u2019s in there longer than anybody\u2019s ever done it. He comes out and he [Bob] goes, \u201cHe looks at me and he goes, \u2018Dude, whoever used to clean that port-a-potty did a really bad job! Let me tell you: I\u2019m going to take care of you from now on. It\u2019s going to be perfect!\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob said, \u201cI looked at him and said, \u2018Okay, sounds good.\u2019 He [cleaner] turned to go to his truck, and he turned around and he goes, \u2018Because I work for the Lord!\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Oh, that\u2019s amazing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> He gets in his truck and he says, as he blares away, he hears worship music <em>blaring<\/em> out of his truck. Bob said he told this preacher, \u201cDude, there I am, sitting there, complaining about my life; because I\u2019m a contractor and things aren\u2019t showing up. And there\u2019s that guy, who\u2019s a Port-a-john cleaner, who probably at his high school graduation, did not think, \u2018I\u2019m going to be a\u2026\u2019 But there he is; and he saw glory in the\u2026\u201d\u2014you talk about the ordinary; that\u2019s <em>below<\/em> ordinary.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s just gross! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Why do I tell that story? I\u2019ve <em>never<\/em> forgotten that illustration; I\u2019m like, \u201cOh man, I complain every day.\u201d Whether it\u2019s diapers or\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014toilets.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014God has given us an opportunity; it\u2019s right in front of us. It\u2019s very ordinary; it may be very hard. And He says, \u201cWhatever you do, do your work for Me, not for men. I can bring something into the middle of your mess.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Thanks for your book: it\u2019s a reminder, and I think something to challenge us all, to say, \u201cWhat we do matters.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Exactly; thanks for having me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> The next time you\u2019re opening a box of mac and cheese, or waiting in the carpool line, or going through the mundane of keeping a family together, just keep in mind that what you\u2019re doing has an eternal purpose. God is using those moments to shape, not only <em>your<\/em> life, but the lives of your children as well. There is<em> Glory in the Ordinary<\/em>; that\u2019s the name of Courtney Reissig\u2019s book. It\u2019s a book that we have in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. It helps remind us of the value of all that we do\u2014that God is present in those moments\u2014He\u2019s at work in all of life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can get a copy of Courtney\u2019s book. Order it from our website\u2014you can go to FamilyLifeToday.com and order there\u2014or you could call and order at 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, here at FamilyLife, there are the voices you hear every day, Dave and Ann Wilson; there are the people who work behind the scenes here at FamilyLife to make this daily program\/this podcast available; and then there\u2019s a whole group of people who are ultimately responsible for all of us being able to listen to the conversation that Dave and Ann and Courtney had today. 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