{"id":307424,"date":"2022-03-02T08:03:08","date_gmt":"2022-03-02T13:03:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/easter-the-wounds-of-unfailing-love\/"},"modified":"2022-03-02T08:03:08","modified_gmt":"2022-03-02T13:03:08","slug":"easter-the-wounds-of-unfailing-love","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/easter-the-wounds-of-unfailing-love\/","title":{"rendered":"Easter: The Wounds of Unfailing Love"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Feel so familiar with Easter&#8211;that it&#8217;s hard to deeply appreciate? 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There is something <em>so important for my soul<\/em> that happens in those first moments of <em>not rushing through<\/em> God\u2019s Word. I try not to read God\u2019s Word in a hurry; I want to <em>linger<\/em> over God\u2019s Word. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Lent season is starting, and I was thinking about you because you used to go to church on Easter. What do you remember the most about those Easter services as a kid, growing up? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> [Laughter] I remember I had to go because Mom said, \u201cIt\u2019s Easter; we\u2019re going to church,\u201d which she said every Sunday.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014which, I <em>didn\u2019t<\/em> go; so\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I mean it was good thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, good for your mom.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> There were times I didn\u2019t want to go; but my single mom did a phenomenal job of bringing Jesus into my life, and I didn\u2019t even really know it or appreciate it. I do remember sitting there, even from a little boy to a teenager, not understanding the story; like, \u201cHow does the resurrection of Jesus Christ mean anything to me and to our world right now?\u201d I just sat there and <em>never<\/em> could connect the dots.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s true for a lot of people, especially when they didn\u2019t grow up in the church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou had a chance to sit down with David Mathis, who wrote the book, <em>Rich Wounds<\/em>. I\u2019m excited for our listeners to get to hear this conversation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, because what David did is: he connects the dots. His book, <em>Rich Wounds<\/em>, is all about the wounds of Christ and what that means for us; but also, the triumph of Christ <em>over<\/em> the cross and the resurrection. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid is the executive director of DesiringGod.org, and a pastor of Cities Church in Minneapolis, and also a husband and has got four kids as well. I\u2019m telling you what\u2014you talk about a theologian, who\u2019s going to dive <em>deep <\/em>into understanding, not only the life and death, but also the resurrection of Christ\u2014that\u2019s David. It was a <em>great<\/em> conversation. I\u2019m excited for our listeners to hear it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Tell us a little bit about your thinking as you were writing this book. I know it\u2019s the beginning of Lent. How were you hoping\/dreaming they would sort of use this book?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I think\u2014I may be wrong about this\u2014but I wonder how many Christians have a real detailed sense of all the glory\/all the beauty that there is to see in the person of Christ. I think sometimes we can be content with pretty thin, canned, recycled messages about Jesus: \u201cOh, I\u2019ve heard of Jesus,\u201d \u201cI know about Jesus.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> But there is <em>so much more<\/em> to know and experience about Jesus than I think the typical Christian today often has just from preaching or from reading in the Gospels. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJust this morning I was reading in Genesis 45. Jacob\u2019s son, Joseph, has been sold into slavery. God\u2019s favor is on him; He blesses him. He comes through Potiphar\u2019s house. He comes through prison; he comes to Pharaoh. The brothers find out that this is Joseph. Of course, they\u2019re scared. They go back, tell Jacob, \u201cWe have found your son. Joseph is alive, and he\u2019s lord over Egypt.\u201d This is Genesis 45, maybe verse 6. The narrative reports that Jacob was <em>numb<\/em> in heart and he did not believe them [Genesis 45:26]. I paused there and just thought, \u201cThis news that came to Jacob from his sons, that Joseph is alive, is so good that he has a hard time believing it.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat do the brothers do? If you tell somebody such good news that they\u2019re numb in heart and have a hard time believing it, what do you do next? What the brothers do is they tell him all that Joseph had to say [verse 27]. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen somebody gets such good new that they\u2019re numb in heart\/they don\u2019t believe, what we do next is we keep telling them\/give them more details\u2014like: \u201cI don\u2019t believe what you\u2019re saying,\u201d\u2014\u201cAlright; well, let me give you some more details. Let me tell you more about it.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>That\u2019s my hope in the book: \u201cLet me tell you more about Jesus; let me tell you more <em>details<\/em> about Him.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf we <em>linger<\/em> in the Gospels, and if we try to get some help from church history and people who have observed the life of Jesus through the Scriptures in different times and places, there is <em>so much more<\/em> to learn, and to glean, and to <em>marvel<\/em> at about Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, as I was reading <em>Rich Wounds<\/em>, that\u2019s what happened to <em>me<\/em>. I was going to say, \u201cThat\u2019s what happened to my <em>soul<\/em>.\u201d It was the beauty\u2014again, I\u2019m a pastor; I\u2019ve been preaching on Easter for over 30 years and the death and the resurrection of Christ\u2014I picked up your book. I know I\u2019m reading it before Easter, [but] I\u2019m not reading it during Lent; but it was <em>rich<\/em>. Of course, that\u2019s in your title; but it brought out the beauty of the life, death, and resurrection of Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI didn\u2019t know, but I found out in the very beginning, that even the title\u2014I should have recognized it right away as a line from one of your favorite hymns\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014<em>Crown Him with Many Crowns<\/em>. Is it true that, when you hear that song, your kids say, \u201cDad that\u2019s your <em>favorite<\/em>\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> [Laughter] They do. There\u2019s a couple; I also love <em>Jesus, I My Cross Have Taken<\/em>, which is the epilogue or the conclusion of the book. But it probably would have to be said that my favorite is <em>Crown Him with Many Crowns<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Let\u2019s talk about that line: \u201cRich wounds, yet visible above, in beauty glorified,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s the title of the book. What is it about that phrase\/that idea that hit you that, when you hear the song, your kids are saying, \u201cDad, it\u2019s your favorite.\u201d What is it that you wanted to draw out of that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know that it\u2019s a song that\u2019s been especially in vogue in the recent wave of worship music and what you\u2019d hear at a big conference. I grew up with this hymn in Spartanburg, South Carolina, in my Southern Baptist Church. Then moving to Minnesota, and being in other churches for years, there was a gap there where I didn\u2019t hear it for a long time. Just recently, we\u2019ve brought it back at our church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s some profundity to the song in <em>several<\/em> dimensions. One is <em>gratitude<\/em> for what I was raised in; now to sing and appreciate these truths in some fresh ways. But that relates to that phrase \u201cRich wounds.\u201d \u201cWounds\u201d is a word that is probably being used more today than it was ten\/twenty years ago. That word has not passed out of usage. We talk a lot about our <em>wounds<\/em>. Often, it\u2019s not the physical wounds that we\u2019re talking about. We\u2019re talking about some emotional\/psychological wound.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014father wound,\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014wounds of our past\/our family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014some trauma; the way that we\u2019ve been emotionally wounded or whatever it would be. There\u2019s a lot of talk about wounds today. Usually, the connotations are very negative; we don\u2019t talk <em>positively<\/em> about wounds. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat\u2019s so remarkable about this phrase in the song, the adjective \u201crich\u201d; that His wounds are rich because:\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\tHis wounds are the wounds by which <em>you are healed<\/em>. He has <em>carried our griefs<\/em> and our sorrows. \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\tHe was wounded, not by some accident. He was not wounded because of His disobedience or His sin. He was wounded because of <em>ours<\/em>: He carried <em>our griefs<\/em>; He carried <em>our wounds<\/em> in His wounding. \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><p>\n\t\t\t\tHis wounds\u2014because they are saving; because He rescues us with His wounds\u2014His wounds, to our eyes, are <em>glorious<\/em>. They are <em>marvelous<\/em> wounds; they are <em>rich<\/em> wounds. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe might think, \u201cOkay, when we get to heaven, any scars that we have will be gone because scars are\u2014that\u2019s part of the old age\u2014God will heal and get rid of all scars.\u201d Well, the end of the Gospels talk about some scars on the glorified resurrected body of Jesus that aren\u2019t gone when He comes to doubting Thomas: \u201cPut your hands in My wounds.\u201d His scars <em>are glorious<\/em> to those whom He\u2019s saved by His scars. I don\u2019t think that, when we get to heaven and see Jesus, face to face, the scars will be gone at that point. I think <em>we<\/em> will see <em>glory in the scars<\/em>, forever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The scars are a reminder of our richness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> He became poor for <em>our<\/em> sakes that, in Him, the poor\/we might become <em>rich<\/em> because of His blessing\/His favor; that we are <em>rescued<\/em> because of the sacrifice of Himself, evidenced in the wounds. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Let\u2019s talk about the book being used during Lent. It\u2019s 40 days; you\u2019ve got \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t30 chapters. Obviously, you don\u2019t need to read one every single day; but how would a family walk through this? What do you hope would happen as they walk through \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t30 days?\u2014what do you hope would happen as a father, or a mother, or a blended family walk through this?\u2014and experience Lent and the rich wounds of Christ in their family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Ideally, Christian families today would have a meaningful, deep, wonderful time of family, gathering around God\u2019s Word <em>every single day<\/em> of Lent and every single day of the year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Is that what happens in your house? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> No! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are <em>so serious<\/em> about Advent. I do hope there\u2019s a kind of realism in this. Personally, the Bible reading plan that I\u2019ve done for years is 25 days a month. [Laughter] That doesn\u2019t mean I intentionally take days off, but it is nice when life happens in a fallen world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>You mean you set yours up for [30] days so you have the grace?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> It\u2019s the <em>Disciple Journal Reading Plan from the Navigators<\/em> [Now: <em>Navigators Bible Reading Plan<\/em>]. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> It\u2019s 25 days a month. If you\u2019re staying on schedule, you\u2019ve got some extra days to review or whatever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> hope with this book\u2014Lent is 40 non-Sundays, plus the Sundays, so depending on how you calculate it, Lent is about 46 to 47 days from Ash Wednesday until Easter Sunday. Maybe 30 meditations would be a good thing for you personally\u2014for you in a small group\u2014for you in a family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, in particular, when you get down to the <em>last<\/em> eight days\u2014so me, personally, I mark those last eight days from Palm Sunday to Easter Sunday with particular joy and vigilance\u2014the last eight chapters in the book are meant to be that daily walk with Jesus, from riding into Jerusalem on the donkey, to the final conflicts\u2014with the false teachers, with the Pharisees, with the Sadducees, with the leaders in Jerusalem\u2014to the Garden of Gethsemane, to Golgotha, to the waiting of the disciples on that long Saturday and then to the <em>joy<\/em> of Easter Sunday. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would commend the readers: maybe, if nailing every day for you personally or your family is unrealistic, maybe you could nail Holy Week for eight days. That would be a really good thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You\u2019ve broken it up into three sections. I\u2019d love to hear some of your thoughts on\u2014let\u2019s start with where you start\u2014with His life: what are you hoping that we <em>glean<\/em> out of these readings about the life of Christ?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. There\u2019s the three sections leading up to the last part on Holy Week: section one, about life; section two, about His death\u2014we linger there\u2014section three, the resurrection; and then Holy Week. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn that first section, there is <em>so much<\/em> to linger over in Jesus\u2019 life; by that, my focus is on His life up until Holy Week. The Gospel accounts are about\/around 50 percent\u2014maybe a little less than 50 percent\u2014but about half of the Gospels deal with His last week. So you see the import and the <em>weight<\/em> of the last week of Jesus\u2019 life from Palm Sunday to resurrection and ascension. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut that leaves about half the Gospels that are telling us accounts\/precious <em>glorious<\/em> accounts. There are <em>glories to see<\/em> about Jesus in this 50-plus percent of the Gospels that are about His life and ministry. What I do in that first part is <em>linger<\/em> over some of those often over-looked glories and try to <em>see<\/em> the kinds of things that are there for us from God, through the apostles in the Gospels, and enrich our appreciation of Jesus\u2019 <em>life<\/em>. He didn\u2019t just come and go straight to the cross. He came and lived\u2014and this is amazing: 30 years-plus in obscurity\u2014and then His three-plus years of ministry at the end. The gleanings in this book are particular to His season of ministry. I\u2019ve rehearsed there some themes, maybe often overlooked, like Jesus owned personal <em>habits<\/em> of devotion.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, that\u2019s where you start. I found that\u2014again, like you said, the places you went, I didn\u2019t see coming\u2014it was really interesting as you start with His habits\/His time alone with God. I was challenged, myself, to think, \u201cI read, \u2018Jesus didn\u2019t just retreat but invited His disciples to join Him.\u2019\u201d So at the end of each little section, you sort of challenge us\u2014as the reader and, today, as the listener\u2014to say, \u201cOkay, what are you doing with your time alone with God?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow would you encourage followers\/believers to captivate or to energize that time we get to spend alone with God, modeling after Christ? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> An amazing thing to observe in Jesus\u2019 life is His pattern of retreat and then re-entry into the world. Once you see the theme in the Gospels, you see it all over. But when Jesus\u2014He retreats from the situation\u2014the crowds are coming around; or for instance, that first day in Capernaum when He heals Peter\u2019s mother-in-law. They\u2019re bringing all the people in to be healed by Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey go to sleep that night\u2014like this is the best night of Peter\u2019s life! Jesus is in Peter\u2019s hometown; the crowds are swirling; everybody\u2019s excited\u2014they wake up the next morning, and they can\u2019t find <em>Jesus<\/em>. Peter must have flipped, like, \u201cWhere is He?! My hometown is outside the door, waiting to be healed\/waiting to hear His message.\u201d And Jesus has retreated to a time of prayer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOver and over again, we see in the Gospels that\u2014at some of the most chaotic times; sometimes, when the crowds were biggest\u2014Jesus gets away to prioritize meeting one on one\/face to face with His Father. He also draws the disciples into that rhythm. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA couple of big themes we also see in Jesus\u2019 life is He is a man who has memorized and is <em>saturated<\/em> in God\u2019s Word. Again and again, Jesus quotes Scripture: \u201cHave you not heard?\u201d; or what do you do about the passage of the bush, when He says, \u201cI am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob\u201d? He <em>reasons<\/em> with the Scriptures when He confronts His enemies; He quotes and alludes to the Scriptures as He teaches His friends. So you observe a kind of Scripture-saturation in the life of Jesus that is very significant and should be an encouragement to us today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know what your daily life looks like, back in Minnesota\u2014you\u2019re a husband; you\u2019re a dad\/you\u2019ve got kids\u2014what does that look like in terms of your habits as a husband and a dad?\u2014time alone with God; time in the Word\u2014give us a glimpse into your life. You\u2019re leading a family; you\u2019re in ministry; how do <em>you<\/em> live this out?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Over the years\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m putting you right on the spot, like, \u201cDude, you better be living this out\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I don\u2019t mind it. I did a book on this a few years ago called <em>Habits of Grace,<\/em> where I tried to be a little bit personally revealing, as well as talk to people about it. I don\u2019t mind talking about this very private thing. It\u2019s a risk; I get it: \u201cTake heed\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I asked you the question, knowing you are going to have an answer\u2014it isn\u2019t going to be: \u201cWell, actually I don\u2019t,\u201d\u2014because our kids are watching; our wives are watching; the community is watching. It\u2019s one thing to know and talk about the life of Christ; do we live it out? What does that look like in terms of your rhythms and habits in your life?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> First thing in the morning is so important and so precious. I\u2019ve found, over the years, I don\u2019t need as much sleep as my wife. That\u2019s an opportunity, at least for me, as a dad. It starts with getting myself to bed on time and not letting some screen keep me up longer than it should. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen waking up in the morning, I <em>want<\/em> the first voice I hear in the morning to be the voice of God in the Scriptures. I set my alarm to get out of bed, and I make a beeline to my Bible and coffee. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Do you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got a hot cup of coffee, and I\u2019ve got my Bible open. Those are some of the most precious moments of my day. I don\u2019t want to minimize the preciousness of my time with my wife, or my kids, or what God has called me to do in the rest of the day; but there is something <em>so important for my soul<\/em> that happens in those first moments of <em>not rushing<\/em> <em>through<\/em> God\u2019s Word. I try not to read God\u2019s Word in a hurry; I want to <em>linger<\/em> over God\u2019s Word. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Bible itself talks about meditation. Psalm 1: \u201cHe meditates on the law of the Lord day and night [Psalm 1:2].\u201d Meditation is, at least, this: a kind of slow reading at the pace of the text. In the hurry of modern life, probably the single most important thing I do to hold back the tides of hurry and rush is to have <em>unhurried<\/em> time in God\u2019s Word in the morning. I want to linger over what He\u2019s had to say. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI referenced a few minutes ago my Bible reading plan I\u2019ve done, for 20 years now, that I just love. I\u2019ve fallen into the habit of using this Bible reading plan. You\u2019re in four different places in Scripture, and I just take my time <em>lingering<\/em> over those passages. It\u2019s takes about 70 hours to read the Bible, cover to cover, which is less time than the average American spends in front of the television in a <em>month<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014not counting screens.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes, that\u2019s right. If you just count screens\u2014that is an eight- or nine-hour day average\u2014very quickly, talking ten days, and you could have read the Bible in that time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> If you take text that you could read in about 15 minutes\u2014and spend 30, 35, \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t40 minutes, working through them slowly: meditating on those texts, praying them back to God as you <em>receive<\/em> them from God, from His own voice, by the power of the Spirit in the Scripture\u2014it will change your life. I want to start my day with <em>the<\/em> <em>voice<\/em> of God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I remember when the pandemic first started, I <em>found<\/em> myself\u2014you made me think of it\u2014when I\u2019d wake up, because my daily rhythm\/habits were much like yours, I\u2019d start with the Word, prayer, meditation\u2014try to slow down; take a deep breath\u2014I found myself, because of where the world was, opening my phone, going directly to the latest news: \u201cWhat\u2019s going on with the pandemic? What are the cases? What are the numbers? What\u2019s the\u2026\u201d I\u2019m not kidding. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was like several days\u2014probably maybe ten or fourteen days\u2014I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat am I doing?!\u201d It\u2019s like I literally started with the voice of the world and news, not the voice of God. Guess what my heart felt?\u2014anxiety, fear, uncertainty. I remember thinking, \u201cThat <em>cannot<\/em> be the way I start my day.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt never was\u2014and because we\u2019re in a different reality, it changed the way\u2014and I remember thinking, \u201cI\u2019ve got to start with the Word of God; it\u2019s got to be number one because it will affect who I am\u2014as a man, who I am as a husband, as a dad\u2014how I lead my family, how I engage with my family,\u201d\u2014what you just said. You\u2019ve given us a resource that would be a great one to use through Lent\u2014start like Jesus started: time alone with God; time with the Word, memorizing it\u2014it will, like you just said, it will change your life. When it changes our life, it changes our family\u2019s life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. In terms of the content that we\u2019re exposed to in modern life\u2014we see it everywhere\u2014at the hotel, I walk in; and CNN is on when they\u2019re serving the breakfast. All the time we\u2019re bombarded by news and other content. If it is a mere quantity battle\u2014of the words of God, and of Christian teaching, and of words that are going to bring us near to God and to Jesus; or the so-called words of the world\u2014we don\u2019t have a chance in modern life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat\u2019s <em>so<\/em> important is the <em>quality<\/em> aspect. In those early moments, with the kids still sleeping, I can pay <em>quality attention<\/em> to God\u2019s Words with a slow, unhurried meditative lingering over Scripture that CNN\u2019s <em>not<\/em> going to get from me\u2014I may hear that; I may be confronted by other things throughout the day\u2014but I\u2019m going to give the most quality, focused, slow enjoyed attention to God\u2019s words to start the day. That makes a <em>significant<\/em> difference.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> In the busyness of life, we can find ourselves in the middle of this competition between the screens\u2014and the hurriedness and the busyness of the world\u2014and then, just meeting with God, getting quality time with the Lord. David Mathis has reminded us that we need to fight for it; we need to actually put our time, and our effort, and our energy into battling for time with Jesus\/rich, uninterrupted time with the Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is the beginning of the Lenten season as we look ahead to celebrating the resurrection of Jesus Christ in Easter. David Mathis has written a book called <em>Rich Wounds<\/em>. This is a devotional with 30 short, kind of profound, reflections that help you meditate on and marvel at the sacrificial love of Jesus as we are in this season, looking forward to worshiping the Lord in fresh new ways because Easter is coming.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to make David Mathis\u2019s book, <em>Rich Wounds<\/em>, available to you for a donation of any amount. If you head over to FamilyLifeToday.com and make a donation, we want to send you a copy of his book. As you may know, <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is listener-supported. When you donate, you\u2019re making this program possible and available in your community. Go over to FamilyLifeToday.com, and make a donation of any amount; or you can make a donation by calling us at 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d Thanks, in advance, for your support. We hope you enjoy the book and find it helpful this Lenten season.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf this content today by David Mathis, or any of the FamilyLife programs have been helpful for you, we\u2019d love for you to share today\u2019s podcast with a friend or a family member wherever you get your podcasts. It could really advance the gospel effort of what we do at FamilyLife if you scroll down and rate and review us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, Dave Wilson is going to be talking again with David Mathis about what it means to walk with the dignity God said belongs to us as His children. That\u2019s coming up tomorrow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn behalf of Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Shelby Abbott. 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I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Lent season is starting, and I was thinking about you because you used to go to church on Easter. What do you remember the most about those Easter services as a kid, growing up? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> [Laughter] I remember I had to go because Mom said, \u201cIt\u2019s Easter; we\u2019re going to church,\u201d which she said every Sunday.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014which, I <em>didn\u2019t<\/em> go; so\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I mean it was good thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, good for your mom.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> There were times I didn\u2019t want to go; but my single mom did a phenomenal job of bringing Jesus into my life, and I didn\u2019t even really know it or appreciate it. I do remember sitting there, even from a little boy to a teenager, not understanding the story; like, \u201cHow does the resurrection of Jesus Christ mean anything to me and to our world right now?\u201d I just sat there and <em>never<\/em> could connect the dots.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s true for a lot of people, especially when they didn\u2019t grow up in the church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou had a chance to sit down with David Mathis, who wrote the book, <em>Rich Wounds<\/em>. I\u2019m excited for our listeners to get to hear this conversation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, because what David did is: he connects the dots. His book, <em>Rich Wounds<\/em>, is all about the wounds of Christ and what that means for us; but also, the triumph of Christ <em>over<\/em> the cross and the resurrection. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid is the executive director of DesiringGod.org, and a pastor of Cities Church in Minneapolis, and also a husband and has got four kids as well. I\u2019m telling you what\u2014you talk about a theologian, who\u2019s going to dive <em>deep <\/em>into understanding, not only the life and death, but also the resurrection of Christ\u2014that\u2019s David. It was a <em>great<\/em> conversation. I\u2019m excited for our listeners to hear it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Tell us a little bit about your thinking as you were writing this book. I know it\u2019s the beginning of Lent. How were you hoping\/dreaming they would sort of use this book?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I think\u2014I may be wrong about this\u2014but I wonder how many Christians have a real detailed sense of all the glory\/all the beauty that there is to see in the person of Christ. I think sometimes we can be content with pretty thin, canned, recycled messages about Jesus: \u201cOh, I\u2019ve heard of Jesus,\u201d \u201cI know about Jesus.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> But there is <em>so much more<\/em> to know and experience about Jesus than I think the typical Christian today often has just from preaching or from reading in the Gospels. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJust this morning I was reading in Genesis 45. Jacob\u2019s son, Joseph, has been sold into slavery. God\u2019s favor is on him; He blesses him. He comes through Potiphar\u2019s house. He comes through prison; he comes to Pharaoh. The brothers find out that this is Joseph. Of course, they\u2019re scared. They go back, tell Jacob, \u201cWe have found your son. Joseph is alive, and he\u2019s lord over Egypt.\u201d This is Genesis 45, maybe verse 6. The narrative reports that Jacob was <em>numb<\/em> in heart and he did not believe them [Genesis 45:26]. I paused there and just thought, \u201cThis news that came to Jacob from his sons, that Joseph is alive, is so good that he has a hard time believing it.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat do the brothers do? If you tell somebody such good news that they\u2019re numb in heart and have a hard time believing it, what do you do next? What the brothers do is they tell him all that Joseph had to say [verse 27]. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen somebody gets such good new that they\u2019re numb in heart\/they don\u2019t believe, what we do next is we keep telling them\/give them more details\u2014like: \u201cI don\u2019t believe what you\u2019re saying,\u201d\u2014\u201cAlright; well, let me give you some more details. Let me tell you more about it.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>That\u2019s my hope in the book: \u201cLet me tell you more about Jesus; let me tell you more <em>details<\/em> about Him.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf we <em>linger<\/em> in the Gospels, and if we try to get some help from church history and people who have observed the life of Jesus through the Scriptures in different times and places, there is <em>so much more<\/em> to learn, and to glean, and to <em>marvel<\/em> at about Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, as I was reading <em>Rich Wounds<\/em>, that\u2019s what happened to <em>me<\/em>. I was going to say, \u201cThat\u2019s what happened to my <em>soul<\/em>.\u201d It was the beauty\u2014again, I\u2019m a pastor; I\u2019ve been preaching on Easter for over 30 years and the death and the resurrection of Christ\u2014I picked up your book. I know I\u2019m reading it before Easter, [but] I\u2019m not reading it during Lent; but it was <em>rich<\/em>. Of course, that\u2019s in your title; but it brought out the beauty of the life, death, and resurrection of Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI didn\u2019t know, but I found out in the very beginning, that even the title\u2014I should have recognized it right away as a line from one of your favorite hymns\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014<em>Crown Him with Many Crowns<\/em>. Is it true that, when you hear that song, your kids say, \u201cDad that\u2019s your <em>favorite<\/em>\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> [Laughter] They do. There\u2019s a couple; I also love <em>Jesus, I My Cross Have Taken<\/em>, which is the epilogue or the conclusion of the book. But it probably would have to be said that my favorite is <em>Crown Him with Many Crowns<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Let\u2019s talk about that line: \u201cRich wounds, yet visible above, in beauty glorified,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s the title of the book. What is it about that phrase\/that idea that hit you that, when you hear the song, your kids are saying, \u201cDad, it\u2019s your favorite.\u201d What is it that you wanted to draw out of that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know that it\u2019s a song that\u2019s been especially in vogue in the recent wave of worship music and what you\u2019d hear at a big conference. I grew up with this hymn in Spartanburg, South Carolina, in my Southern Baptist Church. Then moving to Minnesota, and being in other churches for years, there was a gap there where I didn\u2019t hear it for a long time. Just recently, we\u2019ve brought it back at our church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s some profundity to the song in <em>several<\/em> dimensions. One is <em>gratitude<\/em> for what I was raised in; now to sing and appreciate these truths in some fresh ways. But that relates to that phrase \u201cRich wounds.\u201d \u201cWounds\u201d is a word that is probably being used more today than it was ten\/twenty years ago. That word has not passed out of usage. We talk a lot about our <em>wounds<\/em>. Often, it\u2019s not the physical wounds that we\u2019re talking about. We\u2019re talking about some emotional\/psychological wound.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014father wound,\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014wounds of our past\/our family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014some trauma; the way that we\u2019ve been emotionally wounded or whatever it would be. There\u2019s a lot of talk about wounds today. Usually, the connotations are very negative; we don\u2019t talk <em>positively<\/em> about wounds. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat\u2019s so remarkable about this phrase in the song, the adjective \u201crich\u201d; that His wounds are rich because:\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\tHis wounds are the wounds by which <em>you are healed<\/em>. He has <em>carried our griefs<\/em> and our sorrows. \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\tHe was wounded, not by some accident. He was not wounded because of His disobedience or His sin. He was wounded because of <em>ours<\/em>: He carried <em>our griefs<\/em>; He carried <em>our wounds<\/em> in His wounding. \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><p>\n\t\t\t\tHis wounds\u2014because they are saving; because He rescues us with His wounds\u2014His wounds, to our eyes, are <em>glorious<\/em>. They are <em>marvelous<\/em> wounds; they are <em>rich<\/em> wounds. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe might think, \u201cOkay, when we get to heaven, any scars that we have will be gone because scars are\u2014that\u2019s part of the old age\u2014God will heal and get rid of all scars.\u201d Well, the end of the Gospels talk about some scars on the glorified resurrected body of Jesus that aren\u2019t gone when He comes to doubting Thomas: \u201cPut your hands in My wounds.\u201d His scars <em>are glorious<\/em> to those whom He\u2019s saved by His scars. I don\u2019t think that, when we get to heaven and see Jesus, face to face, the scars will be gone at that point. I think <em>we<\/em> will see <em>glory in the scars<\/em>, forever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The scars are a reminder of our richness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> He became poor for <em>our<\/em> sakes that, in Him, the poor\/we might become <em>rich<\/em> because of His blessing\/His favor; that we are <em>rescued<\/em> because of the sacrifice of Himself, evidenced in the wounds. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Let\u2019s talk about the book being used during Lent. It\u2019s 40 days; you\u2019ve got \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t30 chapters. Obviously, you don\u2019t need to read one every single day; but how would a family walk through this? What do you hope would happen as they walk through \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t30 days?\u2014what do you hope would happen as a father, or a mother, or a blended family walk through this?\u2014and experience Lent and the rich wounds of Christ in their family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Ideally, Christian families today would have a meaningful, deep, wonderful time of family, gathering around God\u2019s Word <em>every single day<\/em> of Lent and every single day of the year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Is that what happens in your house? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> No! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are <em>so serious<\/em> about Advent. I do hope there\u2019s a kind of realism in this. Personally, the Bible reading plan that I\u2019ve done for years is 25 days a month. [Laughter] That doesn\u2019t mean I intentionally take days off, but it is nice when life happens in a fallen world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>You mean you set yours up for [30] days so you have the grace?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> It\u2019s the <em>Disciple Journal Reading Plan from the Navigators<\/em> [Now: <em>Navigators Bible Reading Plan<\/em>]. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> It\u2019s 25 days a month. If you\u2019re staying on schedule, you\u2019ve got some extra days to review or whatever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> hope with this book\u2014Lent is 40 non-Sundays, plus the Sundays, so depending on how you calculate it, Lent is about 46 to 47 days from Ash Wednesday until Easter Sunday. Maybe 30 meditations would be a good thing for you personally\u2014for you in a small group\u2014for you in a family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, in particular, when you get down to the <em>last<\/em> eight days\u2014so me, personally, I mark those last eight days from Palm Sunday to Easter Sunday with particular joy and vigilance\u2014the last eight chapters in the book are meant to be that daily walk with Jesus, from riding into Jerusalem on the donkey, to the final conflicts\u2014with the false teachers, with the Pharisees, with the Sadducees, with the leaders in Jerusalem\u2014to the Garden of Gethsemane, to Golgotha, to the waiting of the disciples on that long Saturday and then to the <em>joy<\/em> of Easter Sunday. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would commend the readers: maybe, if nailing every day for you personally or your family is unrealistic, maybe you could nail Holy Week for eight days. That would be a really good thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You\u2019ve broken it up into three sections. I\u2019d love to hear some of your thoughts on\u2014let\u2019s start with where you start\u2014with His life: what are you hoping that we <em>glean<\/em> out of these readings about the life of Christ?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. There\u2019s the three sections leading up to the last part on Holy Week: section one, about life; section two, about His death\u2014we linger there\u2014section three, the resurrection; and then Holy Week. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn that first section, there is <em>so much<\/em> to linger over in Jesus\u2019 life; by that, my focus is on His life up until Holy Week. The Gospel accounts are about\/around 50 percent\u2014maybe a little less than 50 percent\u2014but about half of the Gospels deal with His last week. So you see the import and the <em>weight<\/em> of the last week of Jesus\u2019 life from Palm Sunday to resurrection and ascension. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut that leaves about half the Gospels that are telling us accounts\/precious <em>glorious<\/em> accounts. There are <em>glories to see<\/em> about Jesus in this 50-plus percent of the Gospels that are about His life and ministry. What I do in that first part is <em>linger<\/em> over some of those often over-looked glories and try to <em>see<\/em> the kinds of things that are there for us from God, through the apostles in the Gospels, and enrich our appreciation of Jesus\u2019 <em>life<\/em>. He didn\u2019t just come and go straight to the cross. He came and lived\u2014and this is amazing: 30 years-plus in obscurity\u2014and then His three-plus years of ministry at the end. The gleanings in this book are particular to His season of ministry. I\u2019ve rehearsed there some themes, maybe often overlooked, like Jesus owned personal <em>habits<\/em> of devotion.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, that\u2019s where you start. I found that\u2014again, like you said, the places you went, I didn\u2019t see coming\u2014it was really interesting as you start with His habits\/His time alone with God. I was challenged, myself, to think, \u201cI read, \u2018Jesus didn\u2019t just retreat but invited His disciples to join Him.\u2019\u201d So at the end of each little section, you sort of challenge us\u2014as the reader and, today, as the listener\u2014to say, \u201cOkay, what are you doing with your time alone with God?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow would you encourage followers\/believers to captivate or to energize that time we get to spend alone with God, modeling after Christ? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> An amazing thing to observe in Jesus\u2019 life is His pattern of retreat and then re-entry into the world. Once you see the theme in the Gospels, you see it all over. But when Jesus\u2014He retreats from the situation\u2014the crowds are coming around; or for instance, that first day in Capernaum when He heals Peter\u2019s mother-in-law. They\u2019re bringing all the people in to be healed by Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey go to sleep that night\u2014like this is the best night of Peter\u2019s life! Jesus is in Peter\u2019s hometown; the crowds are swirling; everybody\u2019s excited\u2014they wake up the next morning, and they can\u2019t find <em>Jesus<\/em>. Peter must have flipped, like, \u201cWhere is He?! My hometown is outside the door, waiting to be healed\/waiting to hear His message.\u201d And Jesus has retreated to a time of prayer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOver and over again, we see in the Gospels that\u2014at some of the most chaotic times; sometimes, when the crowds were biggest\u2014Jesus gets away to prioritize meeting one on one\/face to face with His Father. He also draws the disciples into that rhythm. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA couple of big themes we also see in Jesus\u2019 life is He is a man who has memorized and is <em>saturated<\/em> in God\u2019s Word. Again and again, Jesus quotes Scripture: \u201cHave you not heard?\u201d; or what do you do about the passage of the bush, when He says, \u201cI am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob\u201d? He <em>reasons<\/em> with the Scriptures when He confronts His enemies; He quotes and alludes to the Scriptures as He teaches His friends. So you observe a kind of Scripture-saturation in the life of Jesus that is very significant and should be an encouragement to us today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know what your daily life looks like, back in Minnesota\u2014you\u2019re a husband; you\u2019re a dad\/you\u2019ve got kids\u2014what does that look like in terms of your habits as a husband and a dad?\u2014time alone with God; time in the Word\u2014give us a glimpse into your life. You\u2019re leading a family; you\u2019re in ministry; how do <em>you<\/em> live this out?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Over the years\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m putting you right on the spot, like, \u201cDude, you better be living this out\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I don\u2019t mind it. I did a book on this a few years ago called <em>Habits of Grace,<\/em> where I tried to be a little bit personally revealing, as well as talk to people about it. I don\u2019t mind talking about this very private thing. It\u2019s a risk; I get it: \u201cTake heed\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I asked you the question, knowing you are going to have an answer\u2014it isn\u2019t going to be: \u201cWell, actually I don\u2019t,\u201d\u2014because our kids are watching; our wives are watching; the community is watching. It\u2019s one thing to know and talk about the life of Christ; do we live it out? What does that look like in terms of your rhythms and habits in your life?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> First thing in the morning is so important and so precious. I\u2019ve found, over the years, I don\u2019t need as much sleep as my wife. That\u2019s an opportunity, at least for me, as a dad. It starts with getting myself to bed on time and not letting some screen keep me up longer than it should. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen waking up in the morning, I <em>want<\/em> the first voice I hear in the morning to be the voice of God in the Scriptures. I set my alarm to get out of bed, and I make a beeline to my Bible and coffee. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Do you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got a hot cup of coffee, and I\u2019ve got my Bible open. Those are some of the most precious moments of my day. I don\u2019t want to minimize the preciousness of my time with my wife, or my kids, or what God has called me to do in the rest of the day; but there is something <em>so important for my soul<\/em> that happens in those first moments of <em>not rushing<\/em> <em>through<\/em> God\u2019s Word. I try not to read God\u2019s Word in a hurry; I want to <em>linger<\/em> over God\u2019s Word. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Bible itself talks about meditation. Psalm 1: \u201cHe meditates on the law of the Lord day and night [Psalm 1:2].\u201d Meditation is, at least, this: a kind of slow reading at the pace of the text. In the hurry of modern life, probably the single most important thing I do to hold back the tides of hurry and rush is to have <em>unhurried<\/em> time in God\u2019s Word in the morning. I want to linger over what He\u2019s had to say. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI referenced a few minutes ago my Bible reading plan I\u2019ve done, for 20 years now, that I just love. I\u2019ve fallen into the habit of using this Bible reading plan. You\u2019re in four different places in Scripture, and I just take my time <em>lingering<\/em> over those passages. It\u2019s takes about 70 hours to read the Bible, cover to cover, which is less time than the average American spends in front of the television in a <em>month<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014not counting screens.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes, that\u2019s right. If you just count screens\u2014that is an eight- or nine-hour day average\u2014very quickly, talking ten days, and you could have read the Bible in that time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> If you take text that you could read in about 15 minutes\u2014and spend 30, 35, \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t40 minutes, working through them slowly: meditating on those texts, praying them back to God as you <em>receive<\/em> them from God, from His own voice, by the power of the Spirit in the Scripture\u2014it will change your life. I want to start my day with <em>the<\/em> <em>voice<\/em> of God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I remember when the pandemic first started, I <em>found<\/em> myself\u2014you made me think of it\u2014when I\u2019d wake up, because my daily rhythm\/habits were much like yours, I\u2019d start with the Word, prayer, meditation\u2014try to slow down; take a deep breath\u2014I found myself, because of where the world was, opening my phone, going directly to the latest news: \u201cWhat\u2019s going on with the pandemic? What are the cases? What are the numbers? What\u2019s the\u2026\u201d I\u2019m not kidding. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was like several days\u2014probably maybe ten or fourteen days\u2014I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat am I doing?!\u201d It\u2019s like I literally started with the voice of the world and news, not the voice of God. Guess what my heart felt?\u2014anxiety, fear, uncertainty. I remember thinking, \u201cThat <em>cannot<\/em> be the way I start my day.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt never was\u2014and because we\u2019re in a different reality, it changed the way\u2014and I remember thinking, \u201cI\u2019ve got to start with the Word of God; it\u2019s got to be number one because it will affect who I am\u2014as a man, who I am as a husband, as a dad\u2014how I lead my family, how I engage with my family,\u201d\u2014what you just said. You\u2019ve given us a resource that would be a great one to use through Lent\u2014start like Jesus started: time alone with God; time with the Word, memorizing it\u2014it will, like you just said, it will change your life. When it changes our life, it changes our family\u2019s life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. In terms of the content that we\u2019re exposed to in modern life\u2014we see it everywhere\u2014at the hotel, I walk in; and CNN is on when they\u2019re serving the breakfast. All the time we\u2019re bombarded by news and other content. If it is a mere quantity battle\u2014of the words of God, and of Christian teaching, and of words that are going to bring us near to God and to Jesus; or the so-called words of the world\u2014we don\u2019t have a chance in modern life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat\u2019s <em>so<\/em> important is the <em>quality<\/em> aspect. In those early moments, with the kids still sleeping, I can pay <em>quality attention<\/em> to God\u2019s Words with a slow, unhurried meditative lingering over Scripture that CNN\u2019s <em>not<\/em> going to get from me\u2014I may hear that; I may be confronted by other things throughout the day\u2014but I\u2019m going to give the most quality, focused, slow enjoyed attention to God\u2019s words to start the day. That makes a <em>significant<\/em> difference.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> In the busyness of life, we can find ourselves in the middle of this competition between the screens\u2014and the hurriedness and the busyness of the world\u2014and then, just meeting with God, getting quality time with the Lord. David Mathis has reminded us that we need to fight for it; we need to actually put our time, and our effort, and our energy into battling for time with Jesus\/rich, uninterrupted time with the Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is the beginning of the Lenten season as we look ahead to celebrating the resurrection of Jesus Christ in Easter. David Mathis has written a book called <em>Rich Wounds<\/em>. This is a devotional with 30 short, kind of profound, reflections that help you meditate on and marvel at the sacrificial love of Jesus as we are in this season, looking forward to worshiping the Lord in fresh new ways because Easter is coming.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to make David Mathis\u2019s book, <em>Rich Wounds<\/em>, available to you for a donation of any amount. If you head over to FamilyLifeToday.com and make a donation, we want to send you a copy of his book. As you may know, <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is listener-supported. When you donate, you\u2019re making this program possible and available in your community. Go over to FamilyLifeToday.com, and make a donation of any amount; or you can make a donation by calling us at 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d Thanks, in advance, for your support. 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