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It was just this feeling of being worried, but it was a worry that I couldn\u2019t get rid of; and it was a stress that I couldn't get rid of. But to be sitting there\u2014and find out: \u201cWell, no, this is an anxiety disorder,\u201d\u2014was so much more frustrating than I could have prepared myself for.<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Alright, let\u2019s talk about the last time you experienced like <em>real<\/em> anxiety.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This morning.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> This morning\u2014that wasn\u2019t anxiety\u2014that was <em>anger<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It was <em>both<\/em>, actually.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Go ahead and tell them.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You have not been feeling well. I was going to bed last night, knowing you\u2019re sick. I have this water beside the sink, because I take my vitamins every night. I take the water and I think, \u201cIf Dave wakes up in the middle of the night, he\u2019s going to drink my water; and then I\u2019m going to get sick if he drinks from my glass.\u201d So I take my cup\u2014it has ice and water in it\u2014and I put it in the <em>closet<\/em>.\n\nSo next morning, I\u2019m drinking out of that cup. I take my vitamins again. I\u2019m walking around the house with the cup; and Dave says to me, \u201cThat\u2019s not your cup; is it?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat do you mean? It\u2019s <em>always<\/em> my cup, yes.\u201d He goes, \u201cOh, well, I drank out of it last night.\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cIt was in the closet! Why would you go\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, I wondered why it was in the closet, like, \u201cWhere\u2019s her cup? Oh, it\u2019s in the closet,\u201d\u2014drink\u2014then I drank my\/took my NyQuil<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And then why wouldn\u2019t you tell me, \u201cHey, I drank from your cup\u201d?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I did think, \u201cWhy is this cup in a closet with ice?\u201d I thought you put it there for me; it\u2019s like, \u201cHow considerate of my wife to put a little glass of water\u2026\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I don\u2019t even understand. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Anyway, we\u2019re bringing all of this up, because we\u2019ve got a guest in the studio today. Jamie Grace is with us at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, Jamie.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I\u2019m now like convinced that is the perfect Lifetime movie intro. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Jamie\u2019s written a book called <em>Finding Quiet: My Journey to Peace in an Anxious World<\/em>. That\u2019s why I brought up this anxiety thing: it\u2019s like Jamie\u2019s written this <em>crazy<\/em> great book about it, finding peace in the middle of anxiety.\n\nI know a lot of our listeners know who you are, Jamie, but I did not know\u2014two-time Grammy nominated songwriter, singer, actress\u2014you\u2019ve got it all going on.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You have your own podcast. What\u2019s the podcast called?\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> It\u2019s called <em>The Jamie Grace Podcast<\/em>\u2014really original. [Laughter] I was like, \u201cI\u2019m going to take my name: slap \u2018podcast\u2019 at the end of it.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019m going to start listening; I bet you are really fun.\n\nBut what you\u2019ve written about\u2014man, it\u2019s something a lot of us face and we deal with, especially in [this] day and age\u2014with your subtitle: <em>My Journey to Peace in an Anxious World<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> So when I talk to you, I\u2019m like, \u201cYou\u2019re so positive; you\u2019re really upbeat; you\u2019re really fun.\u201d But this is something that you\u2019ve really struggled with and dealt with. So take us back; we want to hear your story.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes, ma\u2019am; yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Take us back into: \u201cWhere did this all start?\u201d\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> It\u2019s definitely a journey, as you said; and as it\u2019s kind of mentioned in the book, I get quite frustrated that it\u2019s a journey at times. I\u2019m a very pro-therapy person. I was, literally, talking with my therapist last week; she\u2019s so cool. We were just talking, and I mentioned something; and she was like, \u201cOh, I think this could be you might be worried about \u2018X,\u2019 \u2018Y,\u2019 \u2018Z.\u2019\u201d I looked at her and I was like, \u201cOh, no; I\u2019ve already dealt with that. [Laughter] I dealt with that like five years ago in therapy, so I\u2019m good.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> She and I just got in this almost comical conversation about just like sometimes we forget that it is a journey. We forget that, sometimes, we might have this anxiety about something\u2014and then we feel better about it\u2014and it\u2019s like, \u201cOkay, I don\u2019t have to deal with that anymore.\u201d But then something comes up; and all of a sudden, we\u2019re thinking about that anxiety again.\n\nThat started for me as a kid. I was nine years old when my anxiety first started. It was just this feeling of being worried, but it was a worry that I couldn\u2019t get rid of; and it was a stress that I couldn't get rid of. I am a pastor\u2019s kid. My mom and dad started our church when I was about two years old. I grew up in church and I had, even at nine years old, I had a very significant confidence in Jesus.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I love you start your book\/you say, \u201cWhen I was seven, I made a decision to love Jesus for the rest of my life;\u2014\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cand when I was eleven, I was diagnosed with anxiety.\u201d\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes; to be sitting there\u2014and find out like: \u201cWell, no, this is an anxiety disorder,\u201d\u2014was so much more frustrating than I could have prepared myself for; because as a follower of Jesus, you kind of, at least as a kid, just the practicality of: \u201cOh, you pray for something; and God helps you with it,\u201d or \u201cOh, you need something, and the Bible gives you the tools to deal with it,\u201d or \u201cThat\u2019s just kind of how it works.\u201d [Laughter]\n\nSo having a generalized anxiety disorder is like, literally, being almost given this pass to: \u201cOh, no; you\u2019re going to be panicking about stuff a lot.\u201d This has crossed the threshold of an everyday awkward and has moved into: \u201cWe can actually show you that your chemical imbalance in your brain and worry is unfortunately a part of your everyday life.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; what did it look like? You say, \u201cworry.\u201d\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> It would be from my mom would say something like: \u201cOkay,\u201d\u2014so we\u2019re homeschooled; right?\u2014my mom would be like: \u201cOkay, so we\u2019re going to hop in the car; and we\u2019re going to do a field trip today. We\u2019re going to go to a museum and learn about \u2018X,\u2019 \u2018Y,\u2019 \u2018Z.\u2019\u201d Within 30 seconds, my mind already processed the statistics that can happen\u2014of car accidents in the car\u2014and processed like:\n<ul>\n \t<li>\u201cOkay, what could happen if we get to the museum, and I can\u2019t remember everything that I learned? Am I not smart enough? Am I not good enough?\u201d<\/li>\n \t<li>Like: \u201cOh, am I homeschooled because I can\u2019t go to regular school like everybody else because I don\u2019t have any friends? Oh, nobody likes me.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wow!\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\n<ul>\n \t<li>\u201cOh, my dad\u2019s not here because my dad\u2019s at work. Oh, because we don\u2019t have a lot of money, even though my dad works a whole lot, my dad can never work enough to really take care of the family. But that\u2019s not nice to say, because Dad works really hard.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\nLike within 30\/60 seconds every possible dramatic and awful scenario would just start mentally taking a toll on me.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; the way you just said that, it felt like we were in your head.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It felt like that noise. Is that the noise you\u2019re talking about?\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> All day; it\u2019s all day. I\u2019m almost 30 now\u2014I\u2019m very grown and wise\u2014[Laughter]\u2014and so I\u2019ve learned some really helpful tools to help silence that noise, but it\u2019s a conscious choice to fight that noise. It\u2019s a conscious choice to allow that quiet to happen.\n\nI think, even though I have generalized anxiety disorder\u2014I think\/oh, I know for a fact that\u2014even though people\/even people <em>without it<\/em> have anxiety, and have worry, and have fear. We have to consciously choose to trust in the Lord that the anxiety that\u2019s happening in our mind is, oftentimes, a liar and trust the quiet, that we are having a hard time procuring, is the very thing that we need.\n\nIt\u2019s a lot of active\/active reacting, on a daily basis for me, to combat the anxiety that happens naturally. Then, in addition to that, at 11, I was diagnosed with:\n<ul>\n \t<li>A tic disorder called Tourette\u2019s syndrome, which is a movement disorder causing uncontrollable movements and sounds called tics.<\/li>\n \t<li>Then also, obsessive-compulsive disorder\u2014OCD\u2014which is similar to anxiety but basically causes more <em>actions<\/em> than thoughts; so like repetitive counting of something, or tapping or moving, repetitive pursuing of textures\u2014like if I see a texture\u2014like I need to feel like: \u201cOh I need to go figure out what that is\u201d; or like a texture that I just <em>cannot<\/em> touch, I\u2019m like, \u201cIf that blanket comes near me, I will probably cry.\u201d [Laughter]<\/li>\n \t<li>Then also ADHD, which is attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, which really just affected all the other. [Laughter] It\u2019s a lot; you know?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That is a lot.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> It\u2019s a lot. I was 11; and sometimes, I look back and I\u2019m like, \u201cKid, were you okay?\u201d [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; well, I\u2019m thinking of our listeners that have kids that maybe have had some of those diagnoses; or maybe <em>they\u2019re<\/em> dealing with anxiety and depression. And yet, to look at you on the outside, I would <em>never<\/em> know <em>any<\/em> of that. [Laughter] Plus, you\u2019re super successful; you\u2019re doing a ton, and you\u2019re young.\n\nSo as 11, here you are\u2014you\u2019ve had this; I mean, crazy diagnoses with a lot of different things\u2014then what?\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> The first thing was relief. My symptoms really were at their heaviest when I was nine\u2014well, between nine and fifteen\u2014but the onset of them was like nine years old when the tics were really bad. I was constantly squeezing my hands, my feet. I have\u2014some of my tics were oftentimes injuring myself\u2014so like I would be in the car and hitting my head on the window. The way that my legs and arms would flail would, oftentimes, I would hit myself\u2014or I\u2019d hit myself in the stomach\u2014and again, these things are all uncontrollable.\n\nIt\u2019s just the way\u2014if you\u2019re nerdy like me, and you\u2019re like, \u201cOh, how does it happen?\u201d\u2014the neurons in my brain, that are supposed to signal to do things; there\u2019s a little mix up in the wiring. We live in an imperfect world; these things happen, unfortunately. The main thing was my tics. Getting that diagnosis was such a relief; because it felt like, \u201cOh, there\u2019s a word; there\u2019s an understanding.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cThere\u2019s a reason.\u201d\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes, exactly.\n\nI, like a lot of other kids\u2014I mean, statistically, this is just much more\u2014but I dealt with things like asthma, as a kid, which is pretty common. I had like an inhaler just in case I needed it. It wasn\u2019t too bad by the time I was in middle school. So getting my diagnosis of everything else was kind of exciting; because in my head, I was like, \u201cOh, I\u2019m going to get, I guess, like an inhaler for Tourette,\u201d\u2014like I don\u2019t know; I had never heard these words before\u2014but I assumed they would give me some medication.\n\nBut my relief it dissipated so quickly; because I just remember my neurologist sitting there, and saying to my mom, \u201cHey, just so you know; there\u2019s no cure for any of this stuff. There\u2019s not even medication for it. There are medications that we can try; but nothing\/nothing is, for sure, going to work.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And then, even the medications you were on, that was <em>rough<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> They were <em>horrible<\/em>. I feel so much for parents that are still going through this today with their children; because\u2014now, don\u2019t get me wrong; there\u2019s been so much research and study; we\u2019ve grown so much in the medical community; I\u2019m so grateful for all the people that have put in the work\u2014but I mean, if you are a parent of a child dealing with illness, that\u2019s a fulltime job.\n\nI\u2019m so grateful for my parents, because they fought for me relentlessly\u2014just like I would try one medication: and it would have me dealing with things like hallucinations; or sleeping day after day after day; or not sleeping at all; or just complete loss of my personality; I was on a heart monitor at one time because one of the medications was affecting my heart, and the payoff just wasn\u2019t worth it\u2014you know, the benefits of the medication rather; it just wasn\u2019t worth it\u2014it was miserable.\n\nIt\u2019s tough; because like you said\u2014a lot of times when people meet me or if they see me\u2014like nine times out of ten my hair is purple or pink. Like there\u2019s always something\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s a little bold right now.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s so cool.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Thank you. It\u2019s always elaborate; it\u2019s always something going on. I think, sometimes, I\u2019m overcompensating for that childhood situation that I went through; because it was horrendous\u2014this five-to-seven-year gap in my life\u2014where I was just\/I was miserable; it was awful; I was very depressed.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Tell us about your mom, who was fighting for you, and even your dad.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I\u2019d love to know: \u201cDid they ever lose it? Were they always patient?\u201d I\u2019m just thinking, if I\u2019m in the car and my son is banging his head on the window, there might have been times, where I\u2019m like, \u201cCan you just stop that?\u201d But obviously, it\u2019s a medical condition.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Or as mom, I\u2019m crying; I\u2019m thinking, \u201cLord, what are we going to <em>do<\/em>?\u201d\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I <em>don\u2019t<\/em> know how they did it; I <em>don\u2019t<\/em>. I don\u2019t know how they do it <em>now<\/em>. I mean, I still have <em>stuff<\/em>\u2014just think about the very stereotypical dynamic of the youngest child who\u2019s married with \u00a0[a] first child [of her own]\u2014you know what I mean? Like the dynamic of me being like [whiney]\u2014\u201c<em>Mom!<\/em>\u201d\u2014I\u2019m annoying; I\u2019m a Millennial; we\u2019re all a hot mess.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Where did that voice come from? That was pretty interesting.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> She\u2019s got some really good voices.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> That\u2019s my natural tone.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Okay. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We forgot to mention you\u2019re married. You\u2019ve been married for how many years?\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Three-and-a-half years\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And you have a two-year-old.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I have a two-year-old, yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014who your parents are watching right now; right?\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes; praise the Lord. [Laughter]\n\nBut yes, it\u2019s like I don\u2019t know how\u2014like my parents are even still so gracious and so patient with me\u2014that\u2019s just the Lord, honestly. But my mom\u2014I struggle to call her a stay-at-home mom\u2014because I think she was like a work-on-demand homeschool mom. Because we didn\u2019t really grow up with a lot of money, so my mom was like, \u201cI\u2019m going to start a cookie business real quick\u201d\u2014kind of like that; you know?\u2014but she also homeschooled us.\n\nShe is the <em>literal<\/em> person that took the <em>literal<\/em> paperwork to my neurologist and said, \u201cIt\u2019s called Tourette\u2019s syndrome, and my child has it. I <em>dare<\/em> you to challenge me.\u201d They looked at it; and they\u2019re like [deep voice], \u201cOh, you\u2019re right.\u201d She never stopped fighting for me, and she still does.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You\u2019re a mom with a two-year-old. We have\/it\u2019s that mama-bear thing in us.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, I mean, it sounds like\u2014again, I don\u2019t know your mom\u2014it sounds like she was extremely firm and went after what she needed to get; but also, tender and gentle with <em>you<\/em>. Is that true?\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Oh yes, for sure. I can\u2019t remember one time that she did not extend me the grace that I needed, really. She\u2019s also a <em>very<\/em> comical and real-like person, very much a realist as well. Don\u2019t get me wrong.\n\nI remember, once I was like 12; and there was something that I was really obsessing over, like OCD-wise\u2014I was like: \u201cIt <em>has<\/em> to be this way; it has to be <em>that<\/em> way,\u201d\u2014and she\u2014like for context, I was super nerdy; so I was 12; I was already in 9<sup>th<\/sup> grade\u2014I was planning for college and stuff. My mom sat me down; and she was like, \u201cHey, let\u2019s talk about this real quick.\u201d She\u2019s like, \u201cIn this house, you can be who you need to be; you can do what you need to do. But I want you to understand something: the <em>world<\/em> is not going to give you the grace that I\u2019m going to give you.\u201d\n\nShe was like, \u201cI\u2019m <em>never<\/em> going to tell you not to have OCD, because that\u2019s not how it works. But you have to be mindful that, if college is something you want\/if moving out of the state by yourself is something you want, I just need you to be mindful: \u2018The world is not set up for little black girls with mental health issues.\u2019 So whatever that means\u2014you need me to go with you; you need to stay with me; you need to stay with me and dad\u2014like whatever it is.\u201d\n\nI always appreciated how <em>real<\/em> she was with me. She definitely wasn\u2019t one of those moms who was like, \u201cJust be yourself baby; the world will deal with it\u201d; because that\u2019s not practical. I like that she was like, \u201cYou be who you need to be, and you do what you\u2019ve got to do; and understanding that the world will <em>never<\/em> give you the kind of anything that you might feel that you deserve or need.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Did that give you the confidence you needed to become who you are?\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I think so; it helped me feel so comfortable with being different. I think, so often, even now as a society, we <em>always<\/em> want to talk about: \u201cOh, we\u2019ve got to come together and talk about all the things that make us the same.\u201d And yes, that\u2019s a beautiful important thing; but I also like to embrace what makes me different. I wasn\u2019t born to fit in with everybody else; I wasn\u2019t made to be like everybody else.\n\nSo when I went to college, it taught me how to be an advocate for myself as opposed to: \u201cI have mental health stuff; I have severe anxiety. They better adapt to me.\u201d It taught me like: \u201cNo, I need to learn how to become an advocate for myself,\u201d \u201cWhatever full-time job I have, I\u2019m also going to have to become a full-time, volunteer advocate for me and my mental health.\u201d\n\nYes, it gave me a lot of confidence; but also, it reminded me that I also still call my mommy if I need her; because yes, sometimes, I do. [Laughter] Like a couple of weeks ago, I called her; I was like [nasal voice], \u201cOh, mom, I have a doctor\u2019s appointment; and I\u2019m not sure what to <em>say<\/em> about a medicine I need for some arm pain.\u201d [Laughter] She told me what to say; I was like, \u201cYes!\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s awesome. [Laughter]\n\nWell, I\u2019m sitting here; and I\u2019m thinking about Philippians 4:19\u2014and you even quote this verse in your book, where it says, \u201cMy God will meet all your needs\u201d\u2014<em>all<\/em> of your needs\u2014\u201caccording to the riches of His glory in Christ Jesus.\u201d I listen to you; and I think you\u2019re this little girl, who was born\u2014like God wasn\u2019t surprised at your diagnosis, and He wasn\u2019t surprised\u2014I\u2019m thinking of Psalm 139, where it says He knit us together in our mother\u2019s womb. He\u2019s looking at you and He\u2019s celebrating: \u201cLook at My daughter. She has so many gifts; she has so many talents. And yes, she\u2019s got some things\u2014I know about those; I\u2019m not surprised by those\u2014and yet, I\u2019m going to <em>use<\/em> her.\u201d\n\nI think that\u2019s such a <em>good<\/em> reminder for <em>all<\/em> of us; because sometimes, we can look at our brokenness\u2014we can look at our diagnosis; we can look at our kids\u2014and we can think, \u201cLord, do You see what\u2019s happening?\u201d He goes: \u201cYes, I see your girl; I see you.\u201d I think it\u2019s a really good reminder that God is saying: \u201cI\u2019m with you.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cI\u2019m with you <em>in it<\/em>.\u201d\n\nYou\u2019ve been a <em>great<\/em> example. I love hearing the story of you and your mom\u2014that she\u2019s fighting for you and she\u2019s speaking truth to you in love and grace\u2014and that\u2019s what our Father God does for us as well.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And in some ways, that\u2019s what we get to do as parents. We get to be the voice of God to our kids. Whether they fit in with everybody or they don\u2019t, they\u2019re looking at us to be the voice that says, \u201cThis is what Jesus sees and thinks of you.\u201d\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Right; exactly. No, I love that so much and, especially, what you\u2019re saying about the Lord just not being surprised; you know? [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> It takes me to this incredibly vivid memory. I have like a collection of like 34 very vivid memories from childhood\u2014it\u2019s so random\u2014but I have this one: we were waiting for my mom to come out of like an antique mall or something. My dad and I were sitting in the minivan. I asked him, \u201cCan you just tell me, if God is so smart, like why doesn\u2019t He just tell me everything that\u2019s going to happen?\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Or even the question that a lot of us ask is: \u201cLord, You could <em>heal<\/em> me. <em>Why<\/em> don\u2019t You just heal me?\u201d\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes; exactly. I really thought I had it all figured out. I was like, \u201cDad, all God has to do is just fix it,\u201d\u2014it\u2019s like\u2014\u201cTell us everything.\u201d\n\nI remember my dad\/he looked in the rear-view mirror. My dad is so\u2014he\u2019s so beautifully poetic and dramatic\u2014he could have turned around, but I feel like he was doing this for dramatic effect. He, like looked in the rear-view mirror, and he was like\u2014this is not his voice, but it has to be for the story\u2014he was like [deep voice], \u201cWell, if He told us, we would not have a reason to trust Him then, would we?\u201d I was just like, \u201cThat makes so much sense!\u201d\n\nMy mind was <em>blown<\/em>, and then I told him I was. He\u2019s like, \u201cMan, I\u2019m going to preach that one day.\u201d I just remember telling him \u201cNo, Dad; I\u2019m going to preach it.\u201d I like to remind him: \u201cI\u2019m preaching it, Dad; I am,\u201d\u2014because I try to make that my life\u2019s work of just like\u2014\u201cI\u2019m trusting the Maker here. I could be healed of Tourette\u2019s syndrome tomorrow. Yes, I could <em>beg<\/em> God to just tell me the plan for the next five, ten, fifteen, twenty years\u2014I could go there if I want\u2014<em>or<\/em> I\u2019m just choosing to trust Him. He\u2019s not surprised by any of this.\u201d\n\nSo I\u2019m just choosing to say: \u201cOkay, Lord, You\u2019ve put me here for a reason. You\u2019re allowing me to walk through this stuff for whatever reason that might be,\u201d\u2014I always try to remind myself, \u201cJob went through worse,\u201d\u2014so at least, I ain\u2019t Job\u2014\u201cYou\u2019re allowing me to go through all this stuff. I\u2019m here; I\u2019m present with You, Jesus. I\u2019m just choosing to trust that You have a purpose for all of this that is so much greater than what I could plan for myself.\u201d\n\n<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> When it comes to the topic of mental health, many of us think: \u201cI wish I could just get better,\u201d or \u201cI wish my friend could just get better,\u201d \u201cI wish my spouse could just get better.\u201d As Dave and Ann Wilson have been talking with Jamie Grace today, she\u2019s helped us to see that mental health is a <em>journey<\/em>. Sometimes, when you struggle with things like anxiety, worry, fear\u2014and even deeper things like Jamie has\u2014like Tourette\u2019s syndrome, and hallucinations, and ADHD, you can want to get to the other side and just be <em>better<\/em>. But discovering that Jesus is with you <em>in<\/em> that process of the journey, not necessarily just the destination, is such an <em>encouraging<\/em> word.\n\nJamie Grace has written a book called <em>Finding Quiet: My Journey to Peace in an Anxious World<\/em>. This is <em>so<\/em> relevant for our culture and our time right now. We want to make this great resource available to you over at FamilyLifeToday.com; request your copy and order one there.\n\nSearching for peace is something that we kind of renew ourselves with right now in this Lenten season. The Lenten season is a time that leads up to our celebration of Christ\u2019s rising from the dead on Easter, and it provides us with an opportunity to focus in ways that we don\u2019t ordinarily do during the year. That\u2019s why we thought it was so great that David Mathis is going to be on with Dave and Ann Wilson at the end of the week.\n\nHe\u2019s written a book called <em>Rich Wounds: The Countless Treasures of the Life, Death, and Triumph of Jesus<\/em>. It\u2019s a 30-day devotional that contains reflections to help us pause and meditate on the sacrificial love of Jesus and look into the sacrifice that He made on the cross and then conquer death in the resurrection. If you make a donation, all this week, in any amount, we would love to send you a copy of David Mathis\u2019s book, <em>Rich Wounds: The Countless Treasures of the Life, Death, and Triumph of Jesus<\/em>. It\u2019s our gift to you to say, \u201cThank you for helping to make this ministry possible at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u201d Again, you can head over to FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can request your copy by calling 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d Thanks, in advance, for your support; and we hope you enjoy the book. We think you will.\n\nNow, if what Jamie Grace has been talking with Dave and Ann Wilson about today has been a blessing to you, or any of the programs at FamilyLife have been helpful for you, we\u2019d love for you to share today\u2019s podcast with a friend or family member. And while you\u2019re there, it could really advance what we\u2019re doing at the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> if you\u2019d scroll down and rate and review us while you\u2019re there.\n\nTomorrow, Dave and Ann Wilson are going to be speaking with Jamie Grace once again. She\u2019s going to be talking with them about how to handle these issues, which we have a tendency to want to do alone; but it\u2019s never a good idea to remain solo as we\u2019re wrestling with mental health. That\u2019s coming up tomorrow.\n\nOn behalf of Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Shelby Abbott. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife, a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry.\n\nHelping you pursue the relationships that matter most.\n\nWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\n\nCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2022 FamilyLife. 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Could God use your anxiety, like hers, to shape bedrock trust and beauty?","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2022-02-28.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong><em>FamilyLife Today<\/em><\/strong><strong><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/strong> <strong>National Radio Version (time edited) Transcript<\/strong>\n\n<em>References to conferences, resources, or other special promotions may be obsolete.<\/em><em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\n<strong>Beauty and Trust: Dealing with Anxiety<\/strong>\n\nGuest: \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Jamie Grace\n\nFrom the series:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Jamie Grace: Finding Quiet (Day 1 of 2)\n\nAir date:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 February 28, 2022\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I was nine years old when my anxiety first started. It was just this feeling of being worried, but it was a worry that I couldn\u2019t get rid of; and it was a stress that I couldn't get rid of. But to be sitting there\u2014and find out: \u201cWell, no, this is an anxiety disorder,\u201d\u2014was so much more frustrating than I could have prepared myself for.<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Alright, let\u2019s talk about the last time you experienced like <em>real<\/em> anxiety.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This morning.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> This morning\u2014that wasn\u2019t anxiety\u2014that was <em>anger<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It was <em>both<\/em>, actually.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Go ahead and tell them.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You have not been feeling well. I was going to bed last night, knowing you\u2019re sick. I have this water beside the sink, because I take my vitamins every night. I take the water and I think, \u201cIf Dave wakes up in the middle of the night, he\u2019s going to drink my water; and then I\u2019m going to get sick if he drinks from my glass.\u201d So I take my cup\u2014it has ice and water in it\u2014and I put it in the <em>closet<\/em>.\n\nSo next morning, I\u2019m drinking out of that cup. I take my vitamins again. I\u2019m walking around the house with the cup; and Dave says to me, \u201cThat\u2019s not your cup; is it?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat do you mean? It\u2019s <em>always<\/em> my cup, yes.\u201d He goes, \u201cOh, well, I drank out of it last night.\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cIt was in the closet! Why would you go\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, I wondered why it was in the closet, like, \u201cWhere\u2019s her cup? Oh, it\u2019s in the closet,\u201d\u2014drink\u2014then I drank my\/took my NyQuil<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And then why wouldn\u2019t you tell me, \u201cHey, I drank from your cup\u201d?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I did think, \u201cWhy is this cup in a closet with ice?\u201d I thought you put it there for me; it\u2019s like, \u201cHow considerate of my wife to put a little glass of water\u2026\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I don\u2019t even understand. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Anyway, we\u2019re bringing all of this up, because we\u2019ve got a guest in the studio today. Jamie Grace is with us at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, Jamie.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I\u2019m now like convinced that is the perfect Lifetime movie intro. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Jamie\u2019s written a book called <em>Finding Quiet: My Journey to Peace in an Anxious World<\/em>. That\u2019s why I brought up this anxiety thing: it\u2019s like Jamie\u2019s written this <em>crazy<\/em> great book about it, finding peace in the middle of anxiety.\n\nI know a lot of our listeners know who you are, Jamie, but I did not know\u2014two-time Grammy nominated songwriter, singer, actress\u2014you\u2019ve got it all going on.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You have your own podcast. What\u2019s the podcast called?\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> It\u2019s called <em>The Jamie Grace Podcast<\/em>\u2014really original. [Laughter] I was like, \u201cI\u2019m going to take my name: slap \u2018podcast\u2019 at the end of it.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019m going to start listening; I bet you are really fun.\n\nBut what you\u2019ve written about\u2014man, it\u2019s something a lot of us face and we deal with, especially in [this] day and age\u2014with your subtitle: <em>My Journey to Peace in an Anxious World<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> So when I talk to you, I\u2019m like, \u201cYou\u2019re so positive; you\u2019re really upbeat; you\u2019re really fun.\u201d But this is something that you\u2019ve really struggled with and dealt with. So take us back; we want to hear your story.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes, ma\u2019am; yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Take us back into: \u201cWhere did this all start?\u201d\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> It\u2019s definitely a journey, as you said; and as it\u2019s kind of mentioned in the book, I get quite frustrated that it\u2019s a journey at times. I\u2019m a very pro-therapy person. I was, literally, talking with my therapist last week; she\u2019s so cool. We were just talking, and I mentioned something; and she was like, \u201cOh, I think this could be you might be worried about \u2018X,\u2019 \u2018Y,\u2019 \u2018Z.\u2019\u201d I looked at her and I was like, \u201cOh, no; I\u2019ve already dealt with that. [Laughter] I dealt with that like five years ago in therapy, so I\u2019m good.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> She and I just got in this almost comical conversation about just like sometimes we forget that it is a journey. We forget that, sometimes, we might have this anxiety about something\u2014and then we feel better about it\u2014and it\u2019s like, \u201cOkay, I don\u2019t have to deal with that anymore.\u201d But then something comes up; and all of a sudden, we\u2019re thinking about that anxiety again.\n\nThat started for me as a kid. I was nine years old when my anxiety first started. It was just this feeling of being worried, but it was a worry that I couldn\u2019t get rid of; and it was a stress that I couldn't get rid of. I am a pastor\u2019s kid. My mom and dad started our church when I was about two years old. I grew up in church and I had, even at nine years old, I had a very significant confidence in Jesus.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I love you start your book\/you say, \u201cWhen I was seven, I made a decision to love Jesus for the rest of my life;\u2014\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cand when I was eleven, I was diagnosed with anxiety.\u201d\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes; to be sitting there\u2014and find out like: \u201cWell, no, this is an anxiety disorder,\u201d\u2014was so much more frustrating than I could have prepared myself for; because as a follower of Jesus, you kind of, at least as a kid, just the practicality of: \u201cOh, you pray for something; and God helps you with it,\u201d or \u201cOh, you need something, and the Bible gives you the tools to deal with it,\u201d or \u201cThat\u2019s just kind of how it works.\u201d [Laughter]\n\nSo having a generalized anxiety disorder is like, literally, being almost given this pass to: \u201cOh, no; you\u2019re going to be panicking about stuff a lot.\u201d This has crossed the threshold of an everyday awkward and has moved into: \u201cWe can actually show you that your chemical imbalance in your brain and worry is unfortunately a part of your everyday life.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; what did it look like? You say, \u201cworry.\u201d\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> It would be from my mom would say something like: \u201cOkay,\u201d\u2014so we\u2019re homeschooled; right?\u2014my mom would be like: \u201cOkay, so we\u2019re going to hop in the car; and we\u2019re going to do a field trip today. We\u2019re going to go to a museum and learn about \u2018X,\u2019 \u2018Y,\u2019 \u2018Z.\u2019\u201d Within 30 seconds, my mind already processed the statistics that can happen\u2014of car accidents in the car\u2014and processed like:\n<ul>\n \t<li>\u201cOkay, what could happen if we get to the museum, and I can\u2019t remember everything that I learned? Am I not smart enough? Am I not good enough?\u201d<\/li>\n \t<li>Like: \u201cOh, am I homeschooled because I can\u2019t go to regular school like everybody else because I don\u2019t have any friends? Oh, nobody likes me.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wow!\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong>\n<ul>\n \t<li>\u201cOh, my dad\u2019s not here because my dad\u2019s at work. Oh, because we don\u2019t have a lot of money, even though my dad works a whole lot, my dad can never work enough to really take care of the family. But that\u2019s not nice to say, because Dad works really hard.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\nLike within 30\/60 seconds every possible dramatic and awful scenario would just start mentally taking a toll on me.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; the way you just said that, it felt like we were in your head.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It felt like that noise. Is that the noise you\u2019re talking about?\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> All day; it\u2019s all day. I\u2019m almost 30 now\u2014I\u2019m very grown and wise\u2014[Laughter]\u2014and so I\u2019ve learned some really helpful tools to help silence that noise, but it\u2019s a conscious choice to fight that noise. It\u2019s a conscious choice to allow that quiet to happen.\n\nI think, even though I have generalized anxiety disorder\u2014I think\/oh, I know for a fact that\u2014even though people\/even people <em>without it<\/em> have anxiety, and have worry, and have fear. We have to consciously choose to trust in the Lord that the anxiety that\u2019s happening in our mind is, oftentimes, a liar and trust the quiet, that we are having a hard time procuring, is the very thing that we need.\n\nIt\u2019s a lot of active\/active reacting, on a daily basis for me, to combat the anxiety that happens naturally. Then, in addition to that, at 11, I was diagnosed with:\n<ul>\n \t<li>A tic disorder called Tourette\u2019s syndrome, which is a movement disorder causing uncontrollable movements and sounds called tics.<\/li>\n \t<li>Then also, obsessive-compulsive disorder\u2014OCD\u2014which is similar to anxiety but basically causes more <em>actions<\/em> than thoughts; so like repetitive counting of something, or tapping or moving, repetitive pursuing of textures\u2014like if I see a texture\u2014like I need to feel like: \u201cOh I need to go figure out what that is\u201d; or like a texture that I just <em>cannot<\/em> touch, I\u2019m like, \u201cIf that blanket comes near me, I will probably cry.\u201d [Laughter]<\/li>\n \t<li>Then also ADHD, which is attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, which really just affected all the other. [Laughter] It\u2019s a lot; you know?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That is a lot.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> It\u2019s a lot. I was 11; and sometimes, I look back and I\u2019m like, \u201cKid, were you okay?\u201d [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; well, I\u2019m thinking of our listeners that have kids that maybe have had some of those diagnoses; or maybe <em>they\u2019re<\/em> dealing with anxiety and depression. And yet, to look at you on the outside, I would <em>never<\/em> know <em>any<\/em> of that. [Laughter] Plus, you\u2019re super successful; you\u2019re doing a ton, and you\u2019re young.\n\nSo as 11, here you are\u2014you\u2019ve had this; I mean, crazy diagnoses with a lot of different things\u2014then what?\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> The first thing was relief. My symptoms really were at their heaviest when I was nine\u2014well, between nine and fifteen\u2014but the onset of them was like nine years old when the tics were really bad. I was constantly squeezing my hands, my feet. I have\u2014some of my tics were oftentimes injuring myself\u2014so like I would be in the car and hitting my head on the window. The way that my legs and arms would flail would, oftentimes, I would hit myself\u2014or I\u2019d hit myself in the stomach\u2014and again, these things are all uncontrollable.\n\nIt\u2019s just the way\u2014if you\u2019re nerdy like me, and you\u2019re like, \u201cOh, how does it happen?\u201d\u2014the neurons in my brain, that are supposed to signal to do things; there\u2019s a little mix up in the wiring. We live in an imperfect world; these things happen, unfortunately. The main thing was my tics. Getting that diagnosis was such a relief; because it felt like, \u201cOh, there\u2019s a word; there\u2019s an understanding.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cThere\u2019s a reason.\u201d\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes, exactly.\n\nI, like a lot of other kids\u2014I mean, statistically, this is just much more\u2014but I dealt with things like asthma, as a kid, which is pretty common. I had like an inhaler just in case I needed it. It wasn\u2019t too bad by the time I was in middle school. So getting my diagnosis of everything else was kind of exciting; because in my head, I was like, \u201cOh, I\u2019m going to get, I guess, like an inhaler for Tourette,\u201d\u2014like I don\u2019t know; I had never heard these words before\u2014but I assumed they would give me some medication.\n\nBut my relief it dissipated so quickly; because I just remember my neurologist sitting there, and saying to my mom, \u201cHey, just so you know; there\u2019s no cure for any of this stuff. There\u2019s not even medication for it. There are medications that we can try; but nothing\/nothing is, for sure, going to work.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And then, even the medications you were on, that was <em>rough<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> They were <em>horrible<\/em>. I feel so much for parents that are still going through this today with their children; because\u2014now, don\u2019t get me wrong; there\u2019s been so much research and study; we\u2019ve grown so much in the medical community; I\u2019m so grateful for all the people that have put in the work\u2014but I mean, if you are a parent of a child dealing with illness, that\u2019s a fulltime job.\n\nI\u2019m so grateful for my parents, because they fought for me relentlessly\u2014just like I would try one medication: and it would have me dealing with things like hallucinations; or sleeping day after day after day; or not sleeping at all; or just complete loss of my personality; I was on a heart monitor at one time because one of the medications was affecting my heart, and the payoff just wasn\u2019t worth it\u2014you know, the benefits of the medication rather; it just wasn\u2019t worth it\u2014it was miserable.\n\nIt\u2019s tough; because like you said\u2014a lot of times when people meet me or if they see me\u2014like nine times out of ten my hair is purple or pink. Like there\u2019s always something\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s a little bold right now.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s so cool.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Thank you. It\u2019s always elaborate; it\u2019s always something going on. I think, sometimes, I\u2019m overcompensating for that childhood situation that I went through; because it was horrendous\u2014this five-to-seven-year gap in my life\u2014where I was just\/I was miserable; it was awful; I was very depressed.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Tell us about your mom, who was fighting for you, and even your dad.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I\u2019d love to know: \u201cDid they ever lose it? Were they always patient?\u201d I\u2019m just thinking, if I\u2019m in the car and my son is banging his head on the window, there might have been times, where I\u2019m like, \u201cCan you just stop that?\u201d But obviously, it\u2019s a medical condition.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Or as mom, I\u2019m crying; I\u2019m thinking, \u201cLord, what are we going to <em>do<\/em>?\u201d\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I <em>don\u2019t<\/em> know how they did it; I <em>don\u2019t<\/em>. I don\u2019t know how they do it <em>now<\/em>. I mean, I still have <em>stuff<\/em>\u2014just think about the very stereotypical dynamic of the youngest child who\u2019s married with \u00a0[a] first child [of her own]\u2014you know what I mean? Like the dynamic of me being like [whiney]\u2014\u201c<em>Mom!<\/em>\u201d\u2014I\u2019m annoying; I\u2019m a Millennial; we\u2019re all a hot mess.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Where did that voice come from? That was pretty interesting.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> She\u2019s got some really good voices.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> That\u2019s my natural tone.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Okay. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We forgot to mention you\u2019re married. You\u2019ve been married for how many years?\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Three-and-a-half years\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And you have a two-year-old.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I have a two-year-old, yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014who your parents are watching right now; right?\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes; praise the Lord. [Laughter]\n\nBut yes, it\u2019s like I don\u2019t know how\u2014like my parents are even still so gracious and so patient with me\u2014that\u2019s just the Lord, honestly. But my mom\u2014I struggle to call her a stay-at-home mom\u2014because I think she was like a work-on-demand homeschool mom. Because we didn\u2019t really grow up with a lot of money, so my mom was like, \u201cI\u2019m going to start a cookie business real quick\u201d\u2014kind of like that; you know?\u2014but she also homeschooled us.\n\nShe is the <em>literal<\/em> person that took the <em>literal<\/em> paperwork to my neurologist and said, \u201cIt\u2019s called Tourette\u2019s syndrome, and my child has it. I <em>dare<\/em> you to challenge me.\u201d They looked at it; and they\u2019re like [deep voice], \u201cOh, you\u2019re right.\u201d She never stopped fighting for me, and she still does.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You\u2019re a mom with a two-year-old. We have\/it\u2019s that mama-bear thing in us.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, I mean, it sounds like\u2014again, I don\u2019t know your mom\u2014it sounds like she was extremely firm and went after what she needed to get; but also, tender and gentle with <em>you<\/em>. Is that true?\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Oh yes, for sure. I can\u2019t remember one time that she did not extend me the grace that I needed, really. She\u2019s also a <em>very<\/em> comical and real-like person, very much a realist as well. Don\u2019t get me wrong.\n\nI remember, once I was like 12; and there was something that I was really obsessing over, like OCD-wise\u2014I was like: \u201cIt <em>has<\/em> to be this way; it has to be <em>that<\/em> way,\u201d\u2014and she\u2014like for context, I was super nerdy; so I was 12; I was already in 9<sup>th<\/sup> grade\u2014I was planning for college and stuff. My mom sat me down; and she was like, \u201cHey, let\u2019s talk about this real quick.\u201d She\u2019s like, \u201cIn this house, you can be who you need to be; you can do what you need to do. But I want you to understand something: the <em>world<\/em> is not going to give you the grace that I\u2019m going to give you.\u201d\n\nShe was like, \u201cI\u2019m <em>never<\/em> going to tell you not to have OCD, because that\u2019s not how it works. But you have to be mindful that, if college is something you want\/if moving out of the state by yourself is something you want, I just need you to be mindful: \u2018The world is not set up for little black girls with mental health issues.\u2019 So whatever that means\u2014you need me to go with you; you need to stay with me; you need to stay with me and dad\u2014like whatever it is.\u201d\n\nI always appreciated how <em>real<\/em> she was with me. She definitely wasn\u2019t one of those moms who was like, \u201cJust be yourself baby; the world will deal with it\u201d; because that\u2019s not practical. I like that she was like, \u201cYou be who you need to be, and you do what you\u2019ve got to do; and understanding that the world will <em>never<\/em> give you the kind of anything that you might feel that you deserve or need.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Did that give you the confidence you needed to become who you are?\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> I think so; it helped me feel so comfortable with being different. I think, so often, even now as a society, we <em>always<\/em> want to talk about: \u201cOh, we\u2019ve got to come together and talk about all the things that make us the same.\u201d And yes, that\u2019s a beautiful important thing; but I also like to embrace what makes me different. I wasn\u2019t born to fit in with everybody else; I wasn\u2019t made to be like everybody else.\n\nSo when I went to college, it taught me how to be an advocate for myself as opposed to: \u201cI have mental health stuff; I have severe anxiety. They better adapt to me.\u201d It taught me like: \u201cNo, I need to learn how to become an advocate for myself,\u201d \u201cWhatever full-time job I have, I\u2019m also going to have to become a full-time, volunteer advocate for me and my mental health.\u201d\n\nYes, it gave me a lot of confidence; but also, it reminded me that I also still call my mommy if I need her; because yes, sometimes, I do. [Laughter] Like a couple of weeks ago, I called her; I was like [nasal voice], \u201cOh, mom, I have a doctor\u2019s appointment; and I\u2019m not sure what to <em>say<\/em> about a medicine I need for some arm pain.\u201d [Laughter] She told me what to say; I was like, \u201cYes!\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s awesome. [Laughter]\n\nWell, I\u2019m sitting here; and I\u2019m thinking about Philippians 4:19\u2014and you even quote this verse in your book, where it says, \u201cMy God will meet all your needs\u201d\u2014<em>all<\/em> of your needs\u2014\u201caccording to the riches of His glory in Christ Jesus.\u201d I listen to you; and I think you\u2019re this little girl, who was born\u2014like God wasn\u2019t surprised at your diagnosis, and He wasn\u2019t surprised\u2014I\u2019m thinking of Psalm 139, where it says He knit us together in our mother\u2019s womb. He\u2019s looking at you and He\u2019s celebrating: \u201cLook at My daughter. She has so many gifts; she has so many talents. And yes, she\u2019s got some things\u2014I know about those; I\u2019m not surprised by those\u2014and yet, I\u2019m going to <em>use<\/em> her.\u201d\n\nI think that\u2019s such a <em>good<\/em> reminder for <em>all<\/em> of us; because sometimes, we can look at our brokenness\u2014we can look at our diagnosis; we can look at our kids\u2014and we can think, \u201cLord, do You see what\u2019s happening?\u201d He goes: \u201cYes, I see your girl; I see you.\u201d I think it\u2019s a really good reminder that God is saying: \u201cI\u2019m with you.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cI\u2019m with you <em>in it<\/em>.\u201d\n\nYou\u2019ve been a <em>great<\/em> example. I love hearing the story of you and your mom\u2014that she\u2019s fighting for you and she\u2019s speaking truth to you in love and grace\u2014and that\u2019s what our Father God does for us as well.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And in some ways, that\u2019s what we get to do as parents. We get to be the voice of God to our kids. Whether they fit in with everybody or they don\u2019t, they\u2019re looking at us to be the voice that says, \u201cThis is what Jesus sees and thinks of you.\u201d\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Right; exactly. No, I love that so much and, especially, what you\u2019re saying about the Lord just not being surprised; you know? [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> It takes me to this incredibly vivid memory. I have like a collection of like 34 very vivid memories from childhood\u2014it\u2019s so random\u2014but I have this one: we were waiting for my mom to come out of like an antique mall or something. My dad and I were sitting in the minivan. I asked him, \u201cCan you just tell me, if God is so smart, like why doesn\u2019t He just tell me everything that\u2019s going to happen?\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Or even the question that a lot of us ask is: \u201cLord, You could <em>heal<\/em> me. <em>Why<\/em> don\u2019t You just heal me?\u201d\n\n<strong>Jamie:<\/strong> Yes; exactly. I really thought I had it all figured out. I was like, \u201cDad, all God has to do is just fix it,\u201d\u2014it\u2019s like\u2014\u201cTell us everything.\u201d\n\nI remember my dad\/he looked in the rear-view mirror. My dad is so\u2014he\u2019s so beautifully poetic and dramatic\u2014he could have turned around, but I feel like he was doing this for dramatic effect. He, like looked in the rear-view mirror, and he was like\u2014this is not his voice, but it has to be for the story\u2014he was like [deep voice], \u201cWell, if He told us, we would not have a reason to trust Him then, would we?\u201d I was just like, \u201cThat makes so much sense!\u201d\n\nMy mind was <em>blown<\/em>, and then I told him I was. He\u2019s like, \u201cMan, I\u2019m going to preach that one day.\u201d I just remember telling him \u201cNo, Dad; I\u2019m going to preach it.\u201d I like to remind him: \u201cI\u2019m preaching it, Dad; I am,\u201d\u2014because I try to make that my life\u2019s work of just like\u2014\u201cI\u2019m trusting the Maker here. I could be healed of Tourette\u2019s syndrome tomorrow. Yes, I could <em>beg<\/em> God to just tell me the plan for the next five, ten, fifteen, twenty years\u2014I could go there if I want\u2014<em>or<\/em> I\u2019m just choosing to trust Him. He\u2019s not surprised by any of this.\u201d\n\nSo I\u2019m just choosing to say: \u201cOkay, Lord, You\u2019ve put me here for a reason. You\u2019re allowing me to walk through this stuff for whatever reason that might be,\u201d\u2014I always try to remind myself, \u201cJob went through worse,\u201d\u2014so at least, I ain\u2019t Job\u2014\u201cYou\u2019re allowing me to go through all this stuff. I\u2019m here; I\u2019m present with You, Jesus. I\u2019m just choosing to trust that You have a purpose for all of this that is so much greater than what I could plan for myself.\u201d\n\n<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> When it comes to the topic of mental health, many of us think: \u201cI wish I could just get better,\u201d or \u201cI wish my friend could just get better,\u201d \u201cI wish my spouse could just get better.\u201d As Dave and Ann Wilson have been talking with Jamie Grace today, she\u2019s helped us to see that mental health is a <em>journey<\/em>. Sometimes, when you struggle with things like anxiety, worry, fear\u2014and even deeper things like Jamie has\u2014like Tourette\u2019s syndrome, and hallucinations, and ADHD, you can want to get to the other side and just be <em>better<\/em>. But discovering that Jesus is with you <em>in<\/em> that process of the journey, not necessarily just the destination, is such an <em>encouraging<\/em> word.\n\nJamie Grace has written a book called <em>Finding Quiet: My Journey to Peace in an Anxious World<\/em>. This is <em>so<\/em> relevant for our culture and our time right now. We want to make this great resource available to you over at FamilyLifeToday.com; request your copy and order one there.\n\nSearching for peace is something that we kind of renew ourselves with right now in this Lenten season. The Lenten season is a time that leads up to our celebration of Christ\u2019s rising from the dead on Easter, and it provides us with an opportunity to focus in ways that we don\u2019t ordinarily do during the year. That\u2019s why we thought it was so great that David Mathis is going to be on with Dave and Ann Wilson at the end of the week.\n\nHe\u2019s written a book called <em>Rich Wounds: The Countless Treasures of the Life, Death, and Triumph of Jesus<\/em>. It\u2019s a 30-day devotional that contains reflections to help us pause and meditate on the sacrificial love of Jesus and look into the sacrifice that He made on the cross and then conquer death in the resurrection. If you make a donation, all this week, in any amount, we would love to send you a copy of David Mathis\u2019s book, <em>Rich Wounds: The Countless Treasures of the Life, Death, and Triumph of Jesus<\/em>. It\u2019s our gift to you to say, \u201cThank you for helping to make this ministry possible at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u201d Again, you can head over to FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can request your copy by calling 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d Thanks, in advance, for your support; and we hope you enjoy the book. We think you will.\n\nNow, if what Jamie Grace has been talking with Dave and Ann Wilson about today has been a blessing to you, or any of the programs at FamilyLife have been helpful for you, we\u2019d love for you to share today\u2019s podcast with a friend or family member. And while you\u2019re there, it could really advance what we\u2019re doing at the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> if you\u2019d scroll down and rate and review us while you\u2019re there.\n\nTomorrow, Dave and Ann Wilson are going to be speaking with Jamie Grace once again. 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