{"id":307406,"date":"2022-02-15T08:03:05","date_gmt":"2022-02-15T13:03:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/a-re-fresh\/"},"modified":"2022-02-15T08:03:05","modified_gmt":"2022-02-15T13:03:05","slug":"a-re-fresh","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-re-fresh\/","title":{"rendered":"A Re-fresh"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Ron and Jody Zappia might have looked like a couple that had it all together, but their marriage was falling apart. After Ron&#8217;s infidelity, Jody sought comfort at a local church, and instead of finding a reason to leave the marriage, she found a reason to live, with Christ&#8217;s help. The Zappias talk about the day they surrendered their lives and marriage to the Lord, and how He gave their marriage a fresh start.<\/p>\n<p>Show Notes and Resources<\/p>\n<p> \tFind resources from this podcast at shop.familylife.com.<br \/>\n \tFind more content and resources on the FamilyLife&#8217;s app!<br \/>\n \tHelp others find Familylife.\u00a0 Leave a review on Apple Podcast or Spotify.<br \/>\n \tCheck out all the Familylife&#8217;s on the FamilyLife Podcast Network<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ron and Jody Zappia might have looked like a couple that had it all together, but their marriage was falling apart. The Zappias talk about the day the Lord gave their marriage a fresh start.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/mp3.familylife.com\/fl2022-02-15_ALT.mp3","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:24:55","filesize":"22.81M","filesize_raw":"23921310","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2908,2860,2903],"tags":[4377,6590,5983,6589,6591],"podcast_series":[8266],"cwp_profile":[],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-307406","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-forgiveness","category-hardship-and-suffering","category-infidelity","tag-affair","tag-choosing-forgiveness","tag-christ-centered-marriage","tag-marriage-falling-apart","tag-marriage-restored","podcast_series-the-marriage-knot","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/307406\/a-re-fresh","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/307406\/a-re-fresh","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"Jg4urxng5i\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-re-fresh\/\">A Re-fresh<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-re-fresh\/embed\/#?secret=Jg4urxng5i\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;A Re-fresh&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"Jg4urxng5i\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! This file is auto-generated *\/\n!function(d,l){\"use strict\";l.querySelector&&d.addEventListener&&\"undefined\"!=typeof URL&&(d.wp=d.wp||{},d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage||(d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage=function(e){var t=e.data;if((t||t.secret||t.message||t.value)&&!\/[^a-zA-Z0-9]\/.test(t.secret)){for(var s,r,n,a=l.querySelectorAll('iframe[data-secret=\"'+t.secret+'\"]'),o=l.querySelectorAll('blockquote[data-secret=\"'+t.secret+'\"]'),c=new RegExp(\"^https?:$\",\"i\"),i=0;i<o.length;i++)o[i].style.display=\"none\";for(i=0;i<a.length;i++)s=a[i],e.source===s.contentWindow&&(s.removeAttribute(\"style\"),\"height\"===t.message?(1e3<(r=parseInt(t.value,10))?r=1e3:~~r<200&&(r=200),s.height=r):\"link\"===t.message&&(r=new URL(s.getAttribute(\"src\")),n=new URL(t.value),c.test(n.protocol))&&n.host===r.host&&l.activeElement===s&&(d.top.location.href=t.value))}},d.addEventListener(\"message\",d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage,!1),l.addEventListener(\"DOMContentLoaded\",function(){for(var e,t,s=l.querySelectorAll(\"iframe.wp-embedded-content\"),r=0;r<s.length;r++)(t=(e=s[r]).getAttribute(\"data-secret\"))||(t=Math.random().toString(36).substring(2,12),e.src+=\"#?secret=\"+t,e.setAttribute(\"data-secret\",t)),e.contentWindow.postMessage({message:\"ready\",secret:t},\"*\")},!1)))}(window,document);\n\/\/# sourceURL=https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-includes\/js\/wp-embed.min.js\n<\/script>\n"},"uagb_featured_image_src":{"full":["https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg",508,508,false]},"uagb_author_info":{"display_name":"kfairris@familylife.com","author_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/author\/kfairrisfamilylife-com\/"},"uagb_comment_info":0,"uagb_excerpt":"Ron and Jody Zappia might have looked like a couple that had it all together, but their marriage was falling apart. The Zappias talk about the day the Lord gave their marriage a fresh start.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2019-04-23.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When Jody Zappia learned that her husband Ron had been unfaithful, she agreed to go to pastoral counseling\/to marriage counseling. What she didn\u2019t expect was that, in the marriage counseling, she\u2019d have to examine her own heart and her own life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> The truth of the matter is\u2014I knew that I had sin in my life. You know, I had done some things in college that I was pretty sure was not good. We were sitting there\u2014I just didn\u2019t think I was going to be talking about it that day, b<a id=\"_Hlk5887572\">ut he was not going to let up on me. I thank God for that; because if he hadn\u2019t been so persistent, one person would have walked out of there saved, and I\u2019d have been in bad shape. I\u2019d have got what I went there for, <em>maybe<\/em>; but I wouldn\u2019t have experienced the grace of God.<\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, April 23<sup>rd<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. Ron and Jody Zappia\u2019s time with a pastor\/a marriage counselor was the beginning of the resurrection of their marriage. We\u2019ll hear more about that today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. We\u2019re hearing a powerful story this week from a couple who\u2014I chuckle\u2014they\u2019ve written a book called <em>The Marriage Knot<\/em>\u2014and that\u2019s k-n-o-t\u2014because I was thinking a little: \u201cThe Marriage\u2014<em>Not<\/em>\u201d\u2014[Laughter]\u2014because that was almost the case.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Good clarification.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> They were kind of tied in a knot.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> That\u2019s how it started.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> That\u2019s <em>exactly<\/em> how it started.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The couple, who are joining us\u2014Ron and Jody Zappia. Guys, welcome back to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. These are friends of yours [Dave and Ann]; you\u2019ve done ministry together. Ron and Jody give leadership to a church in the western suburbs of Chicago\u2014Highpoint Church. You\u2019ve been there for almost two decades; is that right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> Yes; totally.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Parents of three daughters. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs we\u2019ve already heard this week, you guys met each other in junior high\u2014dated off and on throughout high school and college\u2014got married\u2014corporate fast-tracking for both of you\u2014living apart for part of the first six months of your marriage. And all of that came to a head when, Jody, you walked in one night to surprise your husband and you got the surprise\u2014and found that he was with another woman. That led to the crisis point that brought you guys to going, \u201cOkay; what do we do?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was thinking, as I heard you tell your story this week\u2014thinking about the couples we see, all the time, at our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways\u2014<em>most<\/em> of those couples are in a good spot in their marriage; but we\u2019ve got couples, every weekend, who are joining us, whose marriages have been rocked by the kinds of things that rocked your marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I\u2019m just mentioning that here, because of the Dave and Ann Wilson special that our team put together in honor of you guys being the new hosts for <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. This week, if our listeners are interested in attending any of the 16 remaining <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaways that we\u2019ve got between now and the end of June, they can save 40 percent off the regular registration fee as long as they contact us this week and let us know that they\u2019d like the Dave and Ann Wilson special. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY and find out more about the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway. Your marriage does not have to be in crisis to attend. In fact, as I said, <em>most<\/em> marriages aren\u2019t; but it\u2019s a great getaway. Every couple needs a refresher like this for their marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRon, when your marriage hit the wall, you were shattered. And Jody, you were the planner, who said, \u201cWell, I\u2019m giving myself a two-week deadline to decide whether I divorce him or not.\u201d You put that in your Franklin Planner and, then, got counsel from a stranger, who said you should go to this marriage workshop at a local church. That\u2019s where you ended up\u2014this was two nights after the affair?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> \u2014and days; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You are in a marriage workshop at a local church. You hadn\u2019t been to church, together, ever; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Ron, you said you\u2019re hearing things you had never heard about being a husband before; and God was at work on both of you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> Yes; it really was. I mean, for us, obviously, it was devastation. I was making choices\/living a lifestyle and doing some things I wish I wouldn\u2019t have, but we were\u2014you know, I was broken. I think about what Jody could have done that night and I\u2014this is the kind of stuff people could respond in a lot of very, very different ways. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFortunately, we went to this marriage workshop. Jody had wanted to talk with a pastor\/meet with a pastor, because we weren\u2019t getting our questions answered\u2014one specific question, you know: \u201cCan I get a divorce?\u201d\u00a0 We wound up getting a counseling meeting with this pastor. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was a very interesting meeting\u2014now, being in ministry. I mean, we grew up with a non-church background. I was in the business world; there was no path way to ministry. We were looking at each other. We went to this counseling meeting; and the pastor said to us\u2014he said, \u201cWell, I\u2019ve got about 45 minutes to meet with you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cto fix your marriage.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> I thought that\u2019s a good technique. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Jody, did you think, \u201cWell, okay; this 45 minutes\u2014I will know whether I should stay or not\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Absolutely; I thought I was going to get a checkmark.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> Well, and he said\u2014and this was the pivotal point\u2014he just said, \u201cYou know, we can talk about how messed up your marriage is and all of that, or we can talk about the grace and forgiveness of the Lord Jesus Christ.\u201d I <em>needed<\/em> forgiveness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> That was a really interesting meeting for me; because again, I did\u2014I really thought the spotlight was going to be on <em>Ron<\/em>. He was going to be convicted: \u201cGuilty,\u201d and I was going to walk out of there with my okay or whatever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014your checkmark.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Yes; so he mentioned something like the mess you\u2019re in, or God\u2019s plan, or something. I guess I looked at it as: \u201cThere\u2019s probably not much redeeming we can get out of the mess we\u2019re in, so it sounds like this other thing\u2014maybe, this would be more helpful.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> He started explaining the gospel to us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> He zeroed in on our sin; so we did end up talking about the mess we were in, because what I remember out of it is like\u2014again, I thought the whole spotlight was going to be on Ron; and he kept putting it back on <em>me<\/em>. Because Ron broke pretty easily\u2014like he <em>knew<\/em> what he did was wrong. He was what our friend\/pastor, who has said now\u2014is he witnessed Ron\u2019s repentance, right then and there\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014because Ron was saying\/recognizing that he didn\u2019t like the person he had become. He also recognized that he had sinned, not only against me but against God\u2014which again, that\u2019s the Holy Spirit; because that just wasn\u2019t even in our vocabulary, but that happened there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> But you\u2019ve got to understand something\u2014I didn\u2019t realize that I had sinned against God; I never even made that connection\u2014I didn\u2019t really know; I didn\u2019t really care; I never thought about God. I never really understood. I was in a place, where I had no where to turn; so when he gave me a pathway of forgiveness, I mean, I took it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You grabbed that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> \u2014the lifeline. I didn\u2019t want to be the person I had become. I had hurt the most important person in my life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And so Jody, for <em>you<\/em>, it was easy to see Ron\u2019s <em>apparent<\/em> sin. Could you see your <em>own<\/em> sin?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Well, the truth of the matter is I knew that I had sin in my life. You know, I had done some things in college that I was pretty sure was not good. We were sitting there\u2014I just didn\u2019t think I was going to be talking about it that day, and I didn\u2019t really want to talk about it that day\u2014but he was not going to let up on me. I thank God for that; because if he hadn\u2019t been so persistent, one person would have walked out of there saved and I\u2019d have been in bad shape. I\u2019d have got what I went there for, <em>maybe<\/em>; but I wouldn\u2019t have experienced the grace of God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did he just keep coming at you until you broke?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Yes; he just was\u2014I had to confess some very specific sin. I remember getting angry with him. He specifically asked me about: \u201cSo did you and Ron\u2014did you have premarital sex?\u201d I remember thinking, \u201c<em>Who<\/em> is he to ask <em>me<\/em> that question right now?\u201d\u2014you know, like I was not\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cWhat does that have to do with anything? This is <em>Ron\u2019s<\/em> problem.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Exactly; and I was <em>mad<\/em>. I didn\u2019t want to deal with that today. \u201cWell, yes; but\u2026\u201d I remember I was so justified, because he was the only person and I married him. I was justified in that; because I had all these little things I was building my life on, trying to be a nice person. It was just becoming very apparent that I was just as sinful as Ron, and I didn\u2019t plan on dealing with it that day; but\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> Well, he said, specifically, though, hon\u2014he said, specifically\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> He said, \u201cOh, then, you said it was okay to have sex outside of marriage.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> And when he said that\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> \u2014I was mad. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> I mean, this girl was ready to attack this guy. [Laughter] So you invited\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> When he said\u2014I\u2019ll never forget that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> I said: \u201cI did <em>not<\/em>. I would <em>never<\/em> say that.\u201d Then, he said \u201cWell, you know, actions speak louder than words.\u201d I remember being mad; and yet, at the same time, like [groan] you know\u2014like he was right\/like he got me. So basically, it became apparent that I needed forgiveness just as much as Ron did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Did you guys surrender that day?\u2014your lives to Christ?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> We did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> Yes; we both did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Wait; what did that look like?\u2014was it a prayer?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> Yes; it was a prayer. We didn\u2019t understand. I mean, honestly, he said a prayer. It\u2019s a version of the sinner\u2019s prayer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> He said, \u201cWould you like to get forgiveness from that sin?\u201d and we\u2019re like, \u201cYes!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> Yes; God was breaking us down\u2014He had to break me down. I knew the reason we were in this counseling meeting was because of me\u2014because of my sin, because of my fault, because of what I had done. I was ready. I would have done anything to get rid of that guilt. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe led us in a prayer. I remember the time; I remember where I was standing. I remember walking out of that counseling office\u2014it was fall; it was dark\u2014not knowing, \u201cWhat\u2019s next?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> I remember asking the question\u2014like, \u201cHey, what about the marriage?\u201d\u2014because we had got off on this tangent. [Laughter] I remember, you know, I had to figure out, \u201cIs he supposed to be moving out?\u201d\u2014you know, real practical things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Hurt, and betrayal, and trust\u2014I mean, that\u2019s all still there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Even though you both just surrendered to Christ, you still have a lot of shrapnel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes and \u201cNow, what?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> We did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> And so she was: \u201cI\u2019ve been through this before. This is an act. What\u2019s he doing?\u201d\u2014like she didn\u2019t believe it. And so she was fortunate enough to let me come along. It was like, \u201cOkay; I\u2019ll let you prove it out, and you\u2019re going to drop out of this thing.\u201d I didn\u2019t drop out, because it was real. It was the first time in my life that I was learning things that could help me. I walked out of that meeting\u2014I can\u2019t speak for Jody\u2014but I\u2019m telling you\u2014man, like the weight was gone; I could <em>feel<\/em> it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI hear\u2014and maybe there is someone listening today, where you\u2019re trapped. You can\u2019t stop that behavior. You have the guilt\/the shame. I walked out of there with the freedom and the forgiveness that changed the trajectory of my life. You know, we have one of those lightning-rod-moment stories, where I was struck; God healed. I didn\u2019t know what was going to happen. We didn\u2019t know what the marriage was going\u2014even if it was going to survive. But I was walking out there, with a new lease on life. I was walking out there, with a second chance that I desperately wanted and needed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> \u2014unrelated to the marriage, really; because, at that point\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> Yes; it wasn\u2019t about the marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, you had given the marriage two weeks\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and you\u2019d make a decision, in two weeks, about what you were going to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So we get to the two-week deadline\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> We become Christians. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014you become Christians in the process. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo when you\u2019re there, with that Thursday in your planner, are you thinking, \u201cWell, I guess divorce isn\u2019t an option anymore,\u201d\u2014is that what you\u2019re thinking?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Not necessarily; however, I will say\u2014like the decision about him moving out\u2014the pastor asked a couple of key questions: \u201cWas he\u2014had the affair ended?\u2014done?\u201d Ron said: \u201cYes,\u201d and \u201cDefinitively.\u201d Then he said, \u201cOkay; well then, it would probably be best if you guys stayed together; because you\u2019ve just experienced this new thing\/this new relationship that\u2019s starting with God.\u201d I just trusted him, and we didn\u2019t get separated. It <em>was<\/em> a good thing; because, you know, there\u2019s fruit of repentance and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and you started to see some of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Yes; and if we hadn\u2019t been together, I think I still would of have been a little leery that, \u201cOh, well, sure; he\u2019s on his best behavior.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> What kind of things did you see?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> Good question.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> I did see a couple of changes. I mean, it was like something as silly as the Tupperware<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>falling out of the top shelf on top of him when he grabbed one thing. In the past, that would have been a huge\u2014\u201cJody\u2026\u2014you know, it would have been a major\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014some words that should not be said on the radio?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Yes; exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and \u201c\u2026your fault.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Yes; my fault and it would have been a big\u2014you know, even like, I think, alcohol too. He was, right away, there was\u2014not that he\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> And that was a contributor to the breakdown.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Yes; it contributed, and it was social\u2014we were just social drinkers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> So you were done\u2014like, \u201cI\u2019m not going to drink anymore.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Yes; he recognized\u2014so I saw some things like that\u2014that no one told him to do either.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You recognized that inhibitions get tampered with when you have a couple of drinks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Yes; with a member of the opposite sex; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Your guard goes down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> Yes; we would say there has to be some fruit if you\u2019re in that situation. Certainly, we wouldn\u2019t tell somebody to stay in a damaging and difficult situation when there\u2019s no change\/when that\u2019s not happening. But I think, you know, I was making decisions that were such to where Jody could see some things changing and that was really pivotal.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat the pastor did\u2014one of the things we learned is\u2014we talk about the marriage triangle. It\u2019s so simple\u2014but imagine a triangle in your mind, right now, with God at the top. You\u2019re on the left corner and your spouse is on the right corner. And he just said this\u2014he didn\u2019t tell us about the marriage and whether it was going to work\u2014he just said, \u201cAs you move up, one side of the triangle, and the other person moves upside the other triangle\u2014like right now, at the bottom, you guys are both really far apart. Do you see that? Do you see that?\u201d\u2014he\u2019s circling it; then, he\u2019s drawing it up there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Our assignment was: \u201cWork on this relationship with God. So as you work on your relationship with God; he works on his,\u201d\u2014we get closer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> And there\u2019s no guarantee that I would do it\/she would do it; but that\u2019s what we began to do. How silly and simple it seems\u2014we began to develop a relationship with God that we didn\u2019t have.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I love how Dave and Ann talk about this\u2014and I\u2019ve said this, over and over, to so many people, in so many places; but\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Have you Bob? That\u2019s nice to know!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I have\u2014yes; and I attribute you about 30 percent of the time. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u201430 percent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And the rest of the time, I just take the glory for myself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019ll take it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> \u201cSince you\u2019re here today\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s the statement that you guys have made\u2014which is: \u201cIf you want to get this relationship\u2014the horizontal relationship\/husband and wife relationship\u2014you want to get that right, you\u2019ve got to get this right,\u201d\u2014and now, you\u2019re pointing upward.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Vertical\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cYou\u2019ve got to get the vertical relationship right.\u201d It\u2019s what is the heart of <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>\u2014the book that you\u2019ve written. And if there\u2019s a <em>problem<\/em> in the horizontal relationship, that\u2019s an indication there\u2019s a problem in the <em>vertical<\/em> relationship. You fix the vertical relationship, the horizontal relationship can work its way out; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; and the crazy thing is\u2014that is what that pastor really showed you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s exactly what it was. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We\u2019ve gone through the same thing. It\u2019s really cool to think the miracle of you guys going vertical is now God\u2019s using that to help other couples\u2014not just through your book\u2014but everything you do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve got to ask this: \u201cYou know, you\u2019re watching Ron change\u2014did <em>you<\/em> change?\u2014and <em>especially<\/em>, <em>how<\/em> did you get to forgiveness?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s funny, because it did\u2014it all just went, hand in hand. I started seeing him change, and I do remember <em>feeling<\/em> kind of like a little excitement.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Like were you hopeful but hesitant?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Yes; I would say that, because I remember my mom saying: \u201cYou can\u2019t change a person. People don\u2019t change, so you made your bed; you sleep in it,\u201d or \u201cYou know, you\u2019re not going to change him at the altar,\u201d\u2014or \u201c\u2026alter McAltar,\u201d or something like that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI started seeing, like: \u201cPeople <em>can<\/em> change. Then, if <em>he<\/em> can change, then <em>I<\/em> can change.\u201d So that was going on; and then, the issue of forgiveness was definitely hanging over my head. I will say that I\u2014because I, too, when we left that meeting, had the same sense that Ron did of the weight of the world was lifted off my shoulders; and, honestly, even the weight of making this decision on Thursday about a divorce. Again, like how you mentioned: \u201cGive it time. You don\u2019t have to make this quick decision. You don\u2019t have to make it this week.\u201d That was freeing to me\u2014to not feel like I had this big huge decision to make.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014deadline.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody:<\/strong> Yes; I could just give this some time and God was going to show me now\u2014like I now was on a path, where I was going to get answers, and that\u2019s what started happening. And one of the big questions was\u2014I kind of understood \u201cI need to forgive him.\u201d That was rooted in the fact that I had this sense that I knew, because I had been forgiven everything, I was not in a position to withhold forgiveness. I understood that, but the issue of <em>trust<\/em> was the bigger deal\u2014like, \u201cWell, I can forgive him; but I don\u2019t have to stay married to him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, this is really important for a couple to hear; because there is a difference between forgiveness and trust. And forgiveness is a choice and a decision we can make. Trust is something\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jody: <\/strong>Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014to be earned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014that has to be overt. So here\u2019s my formula.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, good! This is good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There\u2019s a formula for rebuilding trust\u2014it\u2019s: CB over T is the formula: \u201cConsistent behavior over time equals trust.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> That\u2019s good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I like that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So if you want to rebuild trust in somebody in your life, you have to see a pattern of consistent behavior\u2014that there is a difference\u2014that things have changed, and that\u2019s consistent over time. People will say to me, \u201cWell, how much time?\u201d I will go: \u201cAs long as it takes. How deep did the wound go? That\u2019s how long it\u2019s going to take.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSomebody will go, \u201cLike a couple of months?\u201d Well, it might take a year; and the person, who\u2019s been violated, can\u2019t just refuse to grant trust. Then, they have to ask \u201cHave I really forgiven?\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Because you can say \u201cI\u2019ve forgiven\u201d and still hold on to bitterness. But if you\u2019ve let go of the bitterness, and if you\u2019ve really forgiven, then the posture of your heart should be: \u201cI want to be able to trust you again. I want us to get to this position. So let\u2019s work together to make that happen.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> I learned\u2014let\u2019s just stop on the forgiveness thing for a moment\u2014I learned, from forgiveness from Jody, I learned God\u2019s forgiveness\u2014what that was about\u2014as she forgave. But then, I needed to affirm; because I knew I had damaged and I had broken the trust. I had to affirm her, and I had to slow down. She, emotionally\u2014there was times, where I had to affirm my commitment to her, over and over, just like you guys are saying\u2014I had to say it, \u201cI\u2019m committed to you.\u201d I had to verbalize it, which was not easy for me; because I wasn\u2019t a verbal person, at that point, in my life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Ron, was there a point that you had to forgive <em>yourself<\/em>?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ron:<\/strong> You know, I mean, I think I was so broken and shattered that I think the Lord\u2019s forgiveness really helped me understand that. I think, for me, I would just say it like this: \u201cI was caught in a situation to where I was so broken that, when I sensed the healing from God that I do have a fresh start; I can change; my life can be different. You know, one of things\u2014I believed it too\u2014I believe that people couldn\u2019t change. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSome of our listeners, right now, you think people can\u2019t change. I believed it when I was in college, and the reason I thought that was because I couldn\u2019t change. I mean, Thursday night, the school I went to\u2014and I was an athlete\u2014and you know, Friday morning\u2014get up and you\u2019ve got the hangover. We\u2019d look at each other\u2014I\u2019d say to my roommate: \u201cMan, I\u2019ve got to stop doing this. I\u2019ve got to stop doing this.\u201d You can\u2019t stop doing this. That\u2019s one of the things for me that God rooted some things out. I could be different. The new you was there and I believe that was a <em>result<\/em> of God\u2019s forgiveness. I saw myself as a different person in a different light.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I would add this\u2014and I know you guys agree with this\u2014it\u2019s like, \u201cCan people change?\u201d\u2014yes and no. We can change in our own strength a little bit\u2014and maybe for a little while\u2014but permanent, life changing\/life-altering legacy transforming change\u2014you guys found it. It\u2019s in Jesus. It\u2019s in a power, supernaturally, that we don\u2019t have; and so your story is a picture of that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I would say to anybody listening, right now: \u201cIf you don\u2019t know Jesus, this is the day to bow your head and say: \u2018God, I\u2019ve been trying to change. I want to change. I want long-term change. I can\u2019t change my spouse, but I can change me. No; actually, I can\u2019t; God, you can. I surrender.\u2019\u201d When they go vertical\/when they do what you did, God changes people, inside out, through the Holy Spirit resurrection supernatural power of God. It, literally, has consequences that will change your legacy forever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, David Robbins, who has been joining us here today. David, you <em>love<\/em> hearing about\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I mean, what a great story; right? This is <em>amazing<\/em>. I <em>love<\/em> changed-life stories. Every changed-life story, and how God enters in to someone\u2019s story, is different and not exactly the same; but there\u2019s also usually some commonalities. One, in particular, is that God must bring us to the end of ourselves. We must get to the point, where we\u2019re like Ron, and he knew he couldn\u2019t change on his own; or we\u2019re like Jody, and she became convinced of her need. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut there\u2019s another consistent commonality. That\u2019s when someone points the way\/when someone\u2019s a guide, pointing you to Jesus and to the hope that can be found in Him. They aren\u2019t the ones with the power to forgive or to bring change; but they still play a vital role in God\u2019s work as they point those, who are at the end of themselves, to where they can find hope and find Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m thinking about Phillip and Nathaniel and how one said \u201cHere, come and see.\u201d He was described as one beggar showing another where to find bread. That\u2019s just a great picture for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Absolutely; and we <em>all<\/em> get to participate in it. If we are a follower of Jesus, He invites us into the joy of filling the role of being an ambassador of His, from time to time. As you\u2019re in relationships with people around you\u2014on your street, in your work, in the schools that your kids go to\u2014listen and look for those, who are in need and are searching for faith, and are coming to the end of themselves. Often, that is God\u2019s invitation for you to point the way to the One who can forgive and bring new life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I remember somebody saying: \u201cIt\u2019s as simple as this\u2014if you see somebody, who\u2019s hurting, just ask them, \u2018Would it be okay if I prayed for you?\u2019 And just see how they respond to that. You\u2019ll be amazed. Almost <em>nobody<\/em> will say, \u2018No; I\u2019d prefer you didn\u2019t pray for me.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes, just moving toward them and entering into their journey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Good word. Thank you, David. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI hope our listeners will get copies of the book that Ron and Jody have written called <em>The Marriage Knot: 7 Choices that Keep Couples Together<\/em>. We\u2019ve got the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order it from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I hope a lot of our listeners will take advantage of what we\u2019ve come to call the Dave and Ann Wilson special around here this week. You can sign up for one of our remaining <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaways. We\u2019ve got 16 more of these events happening this spring. If you sign up this week, you can save 40 percent off the regular registration fee. We\u2019re doing this to welcome Dave and Ann, here, as the new hosts on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> and to encourage <em>you<\/em> to spend a weekend together, as a couple, and get away and build into your marriage relationship. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFind out more about the getaway and how to save 40 percent. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website: FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to hear about the process of rebuilding trust after there\u2019s been betrayal in a marriage relationship. Ron and Jody Zappia will be back with us again. I hope you can be back as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2019 FamilyLife. All rights reserved.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/\">www.FamilyLife.com<\/a>\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t1\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>","theme_header_position":"","post_header_is_sticky":"","is_header_overlay":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast\/307406","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/podcast"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/91"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=307406"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/294104"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=307406"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=307406"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=307406"},{"taxonomy":"podcast_series","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast_series?post=307406"},{"taxonomy":"cwp_profile","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/cwp_profile?post=307406"},{"taxonomy":"series","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/series?post=307406"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}