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You know, when God tries to lead me in directions, I tend to be the person, who says, \u201cOh, I\u2019m not ready for that, God; I\u2019ll get around to it eventually.\u201d So then, He opens a window and says, \u201cCome on through the window, then\u201d; and I still don\u2019t go. So He then picks me up and shoves me through the window, with me kicking and screaming. That\u2019s kind of how I ended up working in foster care and adoption.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So we had an interesting lunch today; didn\u2019t we?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It was really fun; wasn\u2019t it? I thought it was <em>so fun<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Why is that?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Because we have two guests with us today that are friends and have been friends for a while. They\u2019ve coauthored books together; they\u2019ve lived life together\u2014celebrated each other; mourned with one another\u2014and they are amazing women that have remarkable stories.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, and I don\u2019t think our listeners always know; we usually have lunch with our guests before we come in here in the studio, partly, to get to know one another. All I know is this lunch\u2014I hardly said a word; these three women talked\u2014[Laughter]\u2014you guys act like you\u2019re best friends already.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Because they are so interesting and <em>amazing<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, tell them who is with us.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We think that all of our listeners, especially women, you could just pull up your chair, or kind of have your headphones in, because this is something, I think, that will inspire you. Their friendship, their lives, their faith is something that I think we can all learn from.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; here is the thing: we\u2019ve got Dr. Beth Robinson with us and Dr. Latayne Scott with us. We decided, after hearing your stories at lunch, \u201cLet\u2019s just do a program on your life.\u201d I mean, Dr. Beth, one of the things we found out, right away, is you teach at\/is it called Lubbock Christian?\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Lubbock Christian University\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> \u2014been there\u2014I think this is 28 years.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Twenty-eight years, and what do you teach?\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Undergrad psychology\/general psychology most of the time.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know for sure; but based on what I could tell at lunch, you are that teacher\u2014am I right?\u2014that every kid wants to be in your class.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> <em>I<\/em> want to be in her class, just by listening to her. What we thought was interesting\u2014where a lot of teachers will say, \u201cPut your devices away,\u201d\u2014you don\u2019t do that, Beth.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> No, I don\u2019t. When they come to my class\u2014a lot of different professors have syllabi that say: \u201cDon\u2019t use your technology,\u201d or \u201cPut your phones away,\u201d\u2014I\u2019ll have students, because it\u2019s not in my syllabus\u2014they\u2019ll raise their hand and say, \u201cWhat\u2019s your policy about phones?\u201d I\u2019ll say, \u201cWell, you\u2019ve paid a couple thousand dollars, sometimes, for that learning and educational device. My recommendation is you use it, and you use it in class.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This reminds me of Dave; because as a preacher, he would say, \u201cIf the people in the pews are asleep, wake up the preacher.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cwake up the preacher.\u201d [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Psychology is easy to teach. It\u2019s about how you interact with people. I think I have great material to work with as a teacher. I don\u2019t know that it is about the teacher so much as it is the material\u2014but I love doing what I\u2019m doing, and it\u2019s what I <em>want<\/em> to do\u2014is be there in front of freshmen.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s really fun.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So you two are really good friends, although you don\u2019t spend a lot of time together; but Dr. Latayne, you\u2019ve also got your PhD in biblical studies.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s right.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I mean, that sort of came out at lunch as well. She\u2019s like a biblical scholar over here\u2014very understated\u2014but it\u2019s\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and author.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014an author of more than a dozen books.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We would <em>never<\/em> know that; she would <em>never<\/em> tell us that. We want to get into your story. Listening to you was a lit bit like our producer, Jim Mitchell, said, \u201cIt was something that took place in Mark 12\u201d\u2014we used this to set up today\u2014\u201cwhere Jesus sort of draws attention to something He noticed, and He wanted to make sure the disciples saw it as well.\u201d I think that\u2019s what we\u2019re doing right now.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I can always imagine, in the Scripture, Jesus calling His disciples, like, \u201cGuys, come here. I want you to see this. Come and look at this.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; Mark 12, verse 41, says: \u201cJesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts, but a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents. Calling His disciples to Him, Jesus said, \u2018Truly, I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth, but she out of her poverty put in everything, all she had to live on.\u2019\u201d\n\nJesus, literally, pulls them over and says, \u201cI want you to notice to something. Now, watch this, and let Me tell you what is happening.\u201d As we were sitting at lunch, that was the sense we had; it was sort of like this holy moment. I know you didn\u2019t come in there, thinking you were creating a holy moment; but it was like: \u201cWow, you women: you\u2019ve written books,\u201d\u2014and we\u2019re going to talk about that\u2014\u201cbut there is so much deeper that\u2019s going on in your life that we thought, \u2018We need our listeners to hear.\u2019\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think we, as women, can often think: \u201cDoes our life matter? Am I doing anything?\u201d \u201cDo I have the gifts and passions that maybe my friend has?\u201d or \u201cShe seems to have so much.\u201d We can get so lost in comparison, especially with social media today. We can feel alone and forgotten, unseen, unheard.\n\nYet, as we were listening to your stories, I was so inspired; because you are like the widow in all the things that you have\u2014all your gifts, all your talents, all your passions\u2014you\u2019ve put them in the offering bucket and said, \u201cGod, use whatever I have for Your kingdom and Your glory to impact people.\u201d\n\nLet\u2019s get into\u2014Beth, tell us about\u2014you have had how many children through foster care?\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Fifteen have come through my home, and a few of them have become permanent. My ministry is very much about foster care and adoption. I have been doing this work\u2014this is actually 30 years, doing counseling\u2014my counseling practice is almost all foster and adoption kids.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> How did that start? Where did this love for fostering come from?\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> You know, I tell people that I\u2019m not a person where God opens the door and says, \u201cCome this way,\u201d and I go. You know, when God tries to lead me in directions, I tend to be the person, who says, \u201cOh, I\u2019m not ready for that, God; I\u2019ll get around to it eventually.\u201d So then, He opens a window and says, \u201cCome on through the window, then\u201d; and I still don\u2019t go. So He then picks me up and shoves me through the window, with me kicking and screaming. [Laughter] That\u2019s kind of how I ended up working in foster care and adoption.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And you\u2019ve never been married.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Never been married; no.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Single and really don\u2019t feel a <em>huge<\/em> sense of loss by not being married because I have been so involved in my ministry. I mean, I never rule out the possibility; I could still get married. I believe, if it is somebody who helps me get to heaven, God will put that person in my life.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014which is a great perspective and unusual, honestly, for a single person; because a lot of times, that can become the sole goal; and we miss out on so much.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Well, I think God just pulled me into working with kids so much; I started out as a basketball coach.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, I could tell that! [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Me too!\n\n<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That sort of fits the demographic. What do you mean you started out?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I was a PE major; that was what I was going to do.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> I was actually a PE major as well. I got accepted to med school and walked away to go coach basketball two weeks before I started med school\u2014my parents did not, in their lifetime, ever let that go; I will say that\u2014[Laughter]\u2014and went and coached basketball. I figured out real quickly that I loved the kids more than the sport and then ended up teaching high school English and journalism.\n\nMy principal recruited me be a counselor. It was not a vision I had\/a leading I felt at any point in my life; but he said, \u201cYou have been so effective with these kids,\u201d\u2014[who] were emotionally disturbed\u2014\u201cWe would like for you to become our school counselor.\u201d So I go back [to school] to do that. My last internship I had to do in the summer. I was working at a shelter for kids removed by child protective services in Texas\u2014very behaviorally dysregulated kids: suicidal, homicidal, sexually-offending kids\u2014and fell in love with it.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s <em>so amazing<\/em>; because a lot of people would be like, \u201cI ran as far away from that as I could go!\u201d; and you fell in love with it.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> I fell in love with it, and that\u2019s what I have been doing ever since then.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I mean, Latayne, you know her. Why do you think she\u2019s good at that? Why would she fall in love with it?\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Because she cares about people at a real deep level. For all her bravado, and braggadocio, and all this, she has a very tender heart; [whispering] but don\u2019t tell anybody. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, I\u2019m\u2014obviously, at lunch, we were <em>feeling<\/em> that\u2014talk about this: you bought a church and turned it into a house.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What\u2019s that all about?\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Well, I needed space.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> A lot of people need space; they don\u2019t go buy a <em>church<\/em>. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Beth: <\/strong>I needed space and, frankly, because I work in private higher education and non-profits, there is not a lot of income; so I had to be creative. The church was $35,000. I could afford that, and it was enough space. I remodeled the church because, at that point, I had four foster kids; all of them were under five, I think, at the time.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And you\u2019re loving these kids; but you\u2019ve also become quite an expert of knowing how to care for, identify, and even help the needs of your kids. How did you learn so much about that?\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> You know, life experience: you spend 30 years, and you\u2019re really committed to trying to figure out what is going on with the kid when somebody else isn\u2019t. I don\u2019t want a kid to fall through the cracks, because we <em>missed<\/em> something. I spend a lot of time reading up with different kids and noticing what is going on. So my practice is those foster kids, trying to make sure that we get them the services they need so they can be taken care of, and heal, and a move on.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Latayne, let\u2019s talk to you a little bit. You have an interesting background. You were a Mormon; share a little bit of that story with us.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> I was the happiest Mormon ever. I just <em>loved<\/em> the Mormon Church. I went on scholarship to Brigham Young University and was waiting for a missionary that was in Germany. I was so happy being a Mormon, and I came home to my home in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and met this young man that my mother really wanted me to meet. He was from Tennessee; my mom and dad were from Tennessee. She wanted to get me away from the Mormon Church; she <em>never<\/em> was Mormon.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, she wasn\u2019t Mormon?\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> No, no; my dad was Mormon, but my mom <em>wasn\u2019t<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And what did you love about the Mormon faith?\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Oh, the sense of community, the sense of purpose, the sense of\u2014and I say this in a good way\u2014exclusivity, that we knew things that other people didn\u2019t know; we were willing to share it, but we did know things that people needed to know\u2014just the sense of history, resilience against persecution\u2014all of those things. I loved it very deeply.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> But your mom is a little afraid for you, so <em>she<\/em> sets you up with this guy from Tennessee.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Yes, Dan Scott\u2014little Danny Scott from Trezevant, Tennessee\u2014I only go out with him because my mom made me. [Laughter] He only asked me because he <em>worked<\/em> with my mom, and he had to put up with her. Our first date was such a disaster. It was horrible, because he tried to kiss a Mormon girl on the first date; and you <em>do not<\/em> do that. We only went out, again, the second time just to placate my mom. We found out that we enjoyed each other\u2019s company.\n\nHere I was, going back for my senior year at BYU on scholarship; and he\u2019s a member of the Church of Christ, which is quite a straight arrow biblical group. We began realizing that a relationship couldn\u2019t go any further when we had such different views, not only of church and family, but of God Himself. I spent the worst summer of my life that summer after I met him, because his [brother] gave me books on Mormonism. Dan didn\u2019t know anything about Mormonism; but his brother, who was a minister, did. It just made me sick. I mean, Charles Spurgeon said it: \u201cThere is no loss as great as losing your god.\u201d I say to people, \u201cWhat if you woke up tomorrow morning, and found out the god you served your whole life doesn\u2019t exist? You wouldn\u2019t feel liberated, or free, or anything else; you\u2019d feel sick.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You\u2019d mourn.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Yes; it was devastating to me.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yet these books that you\u2019re reading, you are <em>believing<\/em>\u2014\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014what they are saying.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Because they are from the Bible\u2014I could see that even though I had been very schooled in the Bible from the Mormon point of view\u2014there were Scriptures in there that I just hadn\u2019t given much attention to or had kind of passed over.\n\nI say that I capitulated to a vanquishing Jesus Christ; but that did not necessarily mean I had to like Him. Do you know what I mean? I mean, He conquered me; and I gave up. I was baptized; I surrendered. But I spent the next ten years\u2014even writing about why I left the Mormon Church from a doctrinal point of view\u2014before I would say I really had a bone-deep relationship with Jesus Christ, and that has endured for the rest of my life.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s beautiful.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> The part she didn\u2019t tell about this story is: how old were you when that first book was published?\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> I was 29.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> How old were your kids?\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Ryan was 6, and Celeste was 4.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> She wrote that first book, being that young, and watching those kids.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> What was the name of that book?\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> <em>The Mormon Mirage<\/em> was published by Zondervan. They asked me about ten to twelve years ago to update it; because Mormon doctrine has changed so radically that, from the time that I left the Mormon Church until now, it is hardly recognizable. There are so many things that have happened in the Mormon Church I <em>never<\/em> would have dreamed would have happened. It\u2019s a morphing religion; it really is.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; and you told us at lunch about your relationship with your husband in the last few years. Talk about what that has been like.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Well, Dan was not a theologian. He was a faithful Christian, but he called my writing \u201cthe habit that he supported.\u201d We had a very comfortable life, and I was able to get my PhD in biblical studies and to write books.\n\nBut about ten years ago, he had his second case of a disease called Guillain-Barre Syndrome. This one put him in a coma for months and months. He was intubated; I mean, I didn\u2019t hear his voice or see his eyes for months. When he came out of that coma, he was a paraplegic\u2014a quadriplegic, actually\u2014I cared for him at home for a year after that while I was working. But by that time I was 60\u2014so you know, you don\u2019t\/you can\u2019t do that forever\u2014he went into assisted living and, finally, into nursing care.\n\nIn the process of this, we lost everything financially. His medical bills were over\n\n$6 million; but this was the great opportunity to do two things I always wanted to do in my life. One of them was to prove my faith. First Peter says that your faith is worth more than silver and gold, and we undergo trials so that we can prove that. I would remind myself of this: \u201cI get to prove faith in this.\u201d\n\nAlso, I got to see what a local church does to help support someone who is really in trouble; my church was extraordinary in helping me. I mean, one of my books that I wrote on, with a coauthor\u2014we signed the contract of the book, literally, over Dan\u2019s intubated body\u2014we shake hands. I wrote that entire book on discovering the city of Sodom on hospital side tables and in the front seat of my car while friends of mine from church would come in and sit with Dan; because none of us wanted him to wake up and be alone.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh!\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> We didn\u2019t know when he was going to wake up, and it was <em>months<\/em>.\n\nI was able to\u2014with the help of this church, and with my mom, and my brother, and others who supported me financially\u2014we ended up losing everything, but guess what? We were completely provided for. I never did without a meal; I never missed a payment. I came out of this with a good credit rating. You can lose everything and still have a good credit rating, by the way. [Laughter] But I got to see what the church is supposed to do. It is supposed to rise up triumphantly and care for one another; and it was <em>beautiful<\/em>. And the Mountainside Church of Christ in Albuquerque, New Mexico\u2014I salute you\u2014because you took care of me. Now, that my husband is gone\u2014he passed away about a year ago\u2014the authority of those elders at that church are now my protectors and my helpers too.\n\nDan and I often talked about his catastrophic illness was the best thing that ever happened to us, because we got to prove our faith. We got to show that it really stands, and you can do this. You can lose everything: you can lose your health\u2014well, we didn\u2019t lose our reputations\u2014but you can lose things that most people think are important; and if you have the Lord, nothing else matters.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well done. It is easy to have our eyes on ourselves; we take our eyes off of Jesus in the midst of our pain because we can barely catch a breath. Yet, you loved him [Dan] well to the very end and brought glory to Jesus through your servant\u2019s heart; and you\u2019re not bitter or mad that you have lost everything.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> No, no.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You see the provision of God through your friends in the midst of it.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Yes; unless it\u2019s really dark, you can\u2019t see the light so clearly; right? I know I got to see things and experience things I never would have gotten to see or know.\n\nI have to give credit to Dr. Beth. She was a <em>great<\/em> help to me through that; because she would tell me, \u201cYou can\u2019t do this. Latayne, you need to stop doing this.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s a good friend.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I was going to ask you, Beth: \u201cYou <em>watched<\/em> this go on. What was your perspective?\u201d\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> She was <em>very faithful<\/em>. She writes about the phases of faith\u2014that God gives us promises, and we often experience contradictions before there is a resolution\u2014and we lose faith in the contradictions, because we don\u2019t understand\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> \u2014that the contradictions build the faith. It broke my heart; there were lots of mornings, where there were phone calls. She was struggling, and it was hard to hear.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You have had your own share of grief: you\u2019ve lost your mom; you\u2019ve lost a son.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> One of the kids I helped raise: I lost him about six years ago; my dad six years ago; my mom this May\/May 21<sup>st<\/sup>. I was <em>blessed<\/em> with my parents, and I got to go help take care of my parents.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cI got to go.\u201d\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Yes! I <em>wanted<\/em> to give back to people who had given me so much. When you have extraordinary parents, how can you <em>not<\/em> honor them? How can you <em>not<\/em> go every chance you get to try to make sure they are well cared for and that they <em>know<\/em> they are loved?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Talk to our listeners about being a woman who gives Jesus everything. All of your gifts\u2014it\u2019s like the widow giving her last mite\u2014why is that important to do?\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know that I even realized I did that. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Yes, me either.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> That\u2019s unusual to hear from your perspective.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s just what you do. If I had a message about giving Jesus everything, that is what Christians do. I mean, when you are buried in baptism, you come out a new creature; right? You put the old life behind; and when you take up a cross, you are agreeing to die for Him. Why should it be so hard to live for Him? I mean, your life is not yours, as it says, \u201cYou were bought with a price.\u201d Your life is not your own, so it\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It hasn\u2019t been a drudgery for you two.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> No.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Oh, no.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It has been a <em>joy<\/em> for you; hasn\u2019t it?\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Well, I get to do what I like to do; and she gets to do what she likes to do. I think we get the deal. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> I have always prayed that God would use me as a servant. I really have prayed, since the loss of my mother, about where this next stage of my life is going to go; because I don\u2019t know where it is going to go. I just want to be used\u2014I want to be used up\u2014I don\u2019t want to rust out.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes! Me too! I think that has been my most important prayer over the years. It started when I was 18; I said, \u201cJesus, I\u2019ll do anything for You. I\u2019ll go anywhere. I\u2019ll say anything. I\u2019ll live for You for the rest of my life.\u201d I\u2019ve said that continually to Him. I am telling you, when you pray that prayer, it\u2019s as if He is shaking His head; He\u2019s like, \u201cGet ready, girl.\u201d\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> He takes you up on that; doesn\u2019t He?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He does; He has <em>so much<\/em> for us. \u201cI don\u2019t\u201d\u2014I can see that you are like this\u2014\u201cI don\u2019t want to miss it. I don\u2019t want to miss anything.\u201d It\u2019s not easy; it\u2019s not always easy, but it is <em>good<\/em> to be in the center of what God has for you.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019ll say this, as being the only male in the room, and the only\u2014you know as Jim and I sat there at lunch with you three ladies, including Ann my wife\u2014that\u2019s what I think struck me: is you are <em>saints<\/em>, who are\u2014[Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He knows that is not true! [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Don\u2019t tell our friends.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> When I say saints, I\u2019m talking the way Paul and Peter wrote\u2014you know, anybody who is in Christ is a saint in Christ Jesus; so I don\u2019t mean you are above anybody else\u2014but it\u2019s like you\u2019re serving. I mean, just hearing your stories\u2014the ones you\u2019ve taken in, the books, and the things you\u2019ve done\u2014it\u2019s almost like it\u2019s sort of unseen; it\u2019s sort of behind the scenes. Yet, the widow\u2019s mite\u2014Jesus sees\u2014and He sees you, including Ann.\n\nAs a man, sitting there, I was like, \u201cWow! These are <em>incredible<\/em> women!\u201d\u2014that aren\u2019t up here, above everybody\u2014like flashy, showy, \u201cLook at what I\u2019m doing,\u201d\u2014but you are serving in just a beautiful way. Like Latayne said, you are giving your lives away and, in that, finding yourself.\n\nI think there are so many listeners that are like you. They are serving; maybe, you wonder, \u201cDoes anybody see?\u201d Jesus sees, and I think there are men like me that see. I just want to say to you, and to any woman listening that feels like your life is just the unseen: \u201cIt isn\u2019t; God is using you just like He is\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cand <em>wants<\/em> to use you.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cusing you three powerful women in a powerful way.\u201d It\u2019s sort of like, from me to you, \u201cThank you. Thank you for what you are doing.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I thank you too.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> You\u2019re welcome.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Listening to Beth Robinson and Latayne Scott share their stories, I\u2019m just reminded of the fact that each one of us has a story. God is at work in each of our lives, and His fingerprints are all over our lives. What we often fail to recognize is that God\u2019s work in us is a part of the story we have to tell to others. Here, at FamilyLife, our desire is that you would, not only be strengthened in your marriage and your family, but that you would share your life, your story, and the truth of God\u2019s Word with others: people in your neighborhood, people at church, people in your community.\n\nWe\u2019ve put together a number of resources designed to help you do that\u2014whether it\u2019s marriage studies like Dave and Ann Wilson\u2019s <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> video series, the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> video series,\u00a0 the <em>Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> or <em>The<\/em> <em>Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014our hope with these series is that you would connect with other couples; and in the context of sharing God\u2019s truth about marriage and family, you\u2019d have an opportunity to share about God\u2019s work in your own life\/share your own story.\n\nYour testimony is powerful, and God wants you to proclaim to others the goodness of what He has done in your life. So how are you doing that? Again, if our resources can help you in a strategic way reach out to others, go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, for more information about the series that we have available that you can use as tools to connect with others; and then, get engaged in the lives of other people. That\u2019s our goal\/our hope, here at FamilyLife, and we want to help you do that however we can.\n\nNow, tomorrow, Dave and Ann Wilson are going to tackle one of the tough questions that comes our way, along with Dr. Juli Slattery. The question is the Bible says wives are to submit to their husbands; but what does that mean? Is that for real? What is submission? And what <em>isn\u2019t<\/em> it? How have we, maybe, misunderstood that idea? That is all coming up tomorrow. I hope you can be with us for that.\n\nOn behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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Drs Beth Robinson and Latayne Scott share the joys they've experienced in walking it out in their own lives.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2022-01-27.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Beth:<\/strong> I tell people that I\u2019m not a person, where God opens the door and says, \u201cCome this way,\u201d and I go. You know, when God tries to lead me in directions, I tend to be the person, who says, \u201cOh, I\u2019m not ready for that, God; I\u2019ll get around to it eventually.\u201d So then, He opens a window and says, \u201cCome on through the window, then\u201d; and I still don\u2019t go. So He then picks me up and shoves me through the window, with me kicking and screaming. That\u2019s kind of how I ended up working in foster care and adoption.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So we had an interesting lunch today; didn\u2019t we?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It was really fun; wasn\u2019t it? I thought it was <em>so fun<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Why is that?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Because we have two guests with us today that are friends and have been friends for a while. They\u2019ve coauthored books together; they\u2019ve lived life together\u2014celebrated each other; mourned with one another\u2014and they are amazing women that have remarkable stories.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, and I don\u2019t think our listeners always know; we usually have lunch with our guests before we come in here in the studio, partly, to get to know one another. All I know is this lunch\u2014I hardly said a word; these three women talked\u2014[Laughter]\u2014you guys act like you\u2019re best friends already.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Because they are so interesting and <em>amazing<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, tell them who is with us.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We think that all of our listeners, especially women, you could just pull up your chair, or kind of have your headphones in, because this is something, I think, that will inspire you. Their friendship, their lives, their faith is something that I think we can all learn from.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; here is the thing: we\u2019ve got Dr. Beth Robinson with us and Dr. Latayne Scott with us. We decided, after hearing your stories at lunch, \u201cLet\u2019s just do a program on your life.\u201d I mean, Dr. Beth, one of the things we found out, right away, is you teach at\/is it called Lubbock Christian?\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Lubbock Christian University\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> \u2014been there\u2014I think this is 28 years.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Twenty-eight years, and what do you teach?\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Undergrad psychology\/general psychology most of the time.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know for sure; but based on what I could tell at lunch, you are that teacher\u2014am I right?\u2014that every kid wants to be in your class.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> <em>I<\/em> want to be in her class, just by listening to her. What we thought was interesting\u2014where a lot of teachers will say, \u201cPut your devices away,\u201d\u2014you don\u2019t do that, Beth.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> No, I don\u2019t. When they come to my class\u2014a lot of different professors have syllabi that say: \u201cDon\u2019t use your technology,\u201d or \u201cPut your phones away,\u201d\u2014I\u2019ll have students, because it\u2019s not in my syllabus\u2014they\u2019ll raise their hand and say, \u201cWhat\u2019s your policy about phones?\u201d I\u2019ll say, \u201cWell, you\u2019ve paid a couple thousand dollars, sometimes, for that learning and educational device. My recommendation is you use it, and you use it in class.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This reminds me of Dave; because as a preacher, he would say, \u201cIf the people in the pews are asleep, wake up the preacher.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cwake up the preacher.\u201d [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Psychology is easy to teach. It\u2019s about how you interact with people. I think I have great material to work with as a teacher. I don\u2019t know that it is about the teacher so much as it is the material\u2014but I love doing what I\u2019m doing, and it\u2019s what I <em>want<\/em> to do\u2014is be there in front of freshmen.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s really fun.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So you two are really good friends, although you don\u2019t spend a lot of time together; but Dr. Latayne, you\u2019ve also got your PhD in biblical studies.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s right.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I mean, that sort of came out at lunch as well. She\u2019s like a biblical scholar over here\u2014very understated\u2014but it\u2019s\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and author.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014an author of more than a dozen books.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We would <em>never<\/em> know that; she would <em>never<\/em> tell us that. We want to get into your story. Listening to you was a lit bit like our producer, Jim Mitchell, said, \u201cIt was something that took place in Mark 12\u201d\u2014we used this to set up today\u2014\u201cwhere Jesus sort of draws attention to something He noticed, and He wanted to make sure the disciples saw it as well.\u201d I think that\u2019s what we\u2019re doing right now.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I can always imagine, in the Scripture, Jesus calling His disciples, like, \u201cGuys, come here. I want you to see this. Come and look at this.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; Mark 12, verse 41, says: \u201cJesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts, but a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents. Calling His disciples to Him, Jesus said, \u2018Truly, I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth, but she out of her poverty put in everything, all she had to live on.\u2019\u201d\n\nJesus, literally, pulls them over and says, \u201cI want you to notice to something. Now, watch this, and let Me tell you what is happening.\u201d As we were sitting at lunch, that was the sense we had; it was sort of like this holy moment. I know you didn\u2019t come in there, thinking you were creating a holy moment; but it was like: \u201cWow, you women: you\u2019ve written books,\u201d\u2014and we\u2019re going to talk about that\u2014\u201cbut there is so much deeper that\u2019s going on in your life that we thought, \u2018We need our listeners to hear.\u2019\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think we, as women, can often think: \u201cDoes our life matter? Am I doing anything?\u201d \u201cDo I have the gifts and passions that maybe my friend has?\u201d or \u201cShe seems to have so much.\u201d We can get so lost in comparison, especially with social media today. We can feel alone and forgotten, unseen, unheard.\n\nYet, as we were listening to your stories, I was so inspired; because you are like the widow in all the things that you have\u2014all your gifts, all your talents, all your passions\u2014you\u2019ve put them in the offering bucket and said, \u201cGod, use whatever I have for Your kingdom and Your glory to impact people.\u201d\n\nLet\u2019s get into\u2014Beth, tell us about\u2014you have had how many children through foster care?\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Fifteen have come through my home, and a few of them have become permanent. My ministry is very much about foster care and adoption. I have been doing this work\u2014this is actually 30 years, doing counseling\u2014my counseling practice is almost all foster and adoption kids.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> How did that start? Where did this love for fostering come from?\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> You know, I tell people that I\u2019m not a person where God opens the door and says, \u201cCome this way,\u201d and I go. You know, when God tries to lead me in directions, I tend to be the person, who says, \u201cOh, I\u2019m not ready for that, God; I\u2019ll get around to it eventually.\u201d So then, He opens a window and says, \u201cCome on through the window, then\u201d; and I still don\u2019t go. So He then picks me up and shoves me through the window, with me kicking and screaming. [Laughter] That\u2019s kind of how I ended up working in foster care and adoption.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And you\u2019ve never been married.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Never been married; no.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Single and really don\u2019t feel a <em>huge<\/em> sense of loss by not being married because I have been so involved in my ministry. I mean, I never rule out the possibility; I could still get married. I believe, if it is somebody who helps me get to heaven, God will put that person in my life.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014which is a great perspective and unusual, honestly, for a single person; because a lot of times, that can become the sole goal; and we miss out on so much.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Well, I think God just pulled me into working with kids so much; I started out as a basketball coach.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, I could tell that! [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Me too!\n\n<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That sort of fits the demographic. What do you mean you started out?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I was a PE major; that was what I was going to do.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> I was actually a PE major as well. I got accepted to med school and walked away to go coach basketball two weeks before I started med school\u2014my parents did not, in their lifetime, ever let that go; I will say that\u2014[Laughter]\u2014and went and coached basketball. I figured out real quickly that I loved the kids more than the sport and then ended up teaching high school English and journalism.\n\nMy principal recruited me be a counselor. It was not a vision I had\/a leading I felt at any point in my life; but he said, \u201cYou have been so effective with these kids,\u201d\u2014[who] were emotionally disturbed\u2014\u201cWe would like for you to become our school counselor.\u201d So I go back [to school] to do that. My last internship I had to do in the summer. I was working at a shelter for kids removed by child protective services in Texas\u2014very behaviorally dysregulated kids: suicidal, homicidal, sexually-offending kids\u2014and fell in love with it.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s <em>so amazing<\/em>; because a lot of people would be like, \u201cI ran as far away from that as I could go!\u201d; and you fell in love with it.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> I fell in love with it, and that\u2019s what I have been doing ever since then.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I mean, Latayne, you know her. Why do you think she\u2019s good at that? Why would she fall in love with it?\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Because she cares about people at a real deep level. For all her bravado, and braggadocio, and all this, she has a very tender heart; [whispering] but don\u2019t tell anybody. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, I\u2019m\u2014obviously, at lunch, we were <em>feeling<\/em> that\u2014talk about this: you bought a church and turned it into a house.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What\u2019s that all about?\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Well, I needed space.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> A lot of people need space; they don\u2019t go buy a <em>church<\/em>. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Beth: <\/strong>I needed space and, frankly, because I work in private higher education and non-profits, there is not a lot of income; so I had to be creative. The church was $35,000. I could afford that, and it was enough space. I remodeled the church because, at that point, I had four foster kids; all of them were under five, I think, at the time.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And you\u2019re loving these kids; but you\u2019ve also become quite an expert of knowing how to care for, identify, and even help the needs of your kids. How did you learn so much about that?\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> You know, life experience: you spend 30 years, and you\u2019re really committed to trying to figure out what is going on with the kid when somebody else isn\u2019t. I don\u2019t want a kid to fall through the cracks, because we <em>missed<\/em> something. I spend a lot of time reading up with different kids and noticing what is going on. So my practice is those foster kids, trying to make sure that we get them the services they need so they can be taken care of, and heal, and a move on.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Latayne, let\u2019s talk to you a little bit. You have an interesting background. You were a Mormon; share a little bit of that story with us.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> I was the happiest Mormon ever. I just <em>loved<\/em> the Mormon Church. I went on scholarship to Brigham Young University and was waiting for a missionary that was in Germany. I was so happy being a Mormon, and I came home to my home in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and met this young man that my mother really wanted me to meet. He was from Tennessee; my mom and dad were from Tennessee. She wanted to get me away from the Mormon Church; she <em>never<\/em> was Mormon.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, she wasn\u2019t Mormon?\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> No, no; my dad was Mormon, but my mom <em>wasn\u2019t<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And what did you love about the Mormon faith?\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Oh, the sense of community, the sense of purpose, the sense of\u2014and I say this in a good way\u2014exclusivity, that we knew things that other people didn\u2019t know; we were willing to share it, but we did know things that people needed to know\u2014just the sense of history, resilience against persecution\u2014all of those things. I loved it very deeply.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> But your mom is a little afraid for you, so <em>she<\/em> sets you up with this guy from Tennessee.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Yes, Dan Scott\u2014little Danny Scott from Trezevant, Tennessee\u2014I only go out with him because my mom made me. [Laughter] He only asked me because he <em>worked<\/em> with my mom, and he had to put up with her. Our first date was such a disaster. It was horrible, because he tried to kiss a Mormon girl on the first date; and you <em>do not<\/em> do that. We only went out, again, the second time just to placate my mom. We found out that we enjoyed each other\u2019s company.\n\nHere I was, going back for my senior year at BYU on scholarship; and he\u2019s a member of the Church of Christ, which is quite a straight arrow biblical group. We began realizing that a relationship couldn\u2019t go any further when we had such different views, not only of church and family, but of God Himself. I spent the worst summer of my life that summer after I met him, because his [brother] gave me books on Mormonism. Dan didn\u2019t know anything about Mormonism; but his brother, who was a minister, did. It just made me sick. I mean, Charles Spurgeon said it: \u201cThere is no loss as great as losing your god.\u201d I say to people, \u201cWhat if you woke up tomorrow morning, and found out the god you served your whole life doesn\u2019t exist? You wouldn\u2019t feel liberated, or free, or anything else; you\u2019d feel sick.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You\u2019d mourn.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Yes; it was devastating to me.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yet these books that you\u2019re reading, you are <em>believing<\/em>\u2014\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014what they are saying.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Because they are from the Bible\u2014I could see that even though I had been very schooled in the Bible from the Mormon point of view\u2014there were Scriptures in there that I just hadn\u2019t given much attention to or had kind of passed over.\n\nI say that I capitulated to a vanquishing Jesus Christ; but that did not necessarily mean I had to like Him. Do you know what I mean? I mean, He conquered me; and I gave up. I was baptized; I surrendered. But I spent the next ten years\u2014even writing about why I left the Mormon Church from a doctrinal point of view\u2014before I would say I really had a bone-deep relationship with Jesus Christ, and that has endured for the rest of my life.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s beautiful.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> The part she didn\u2019t tell about this story is: how old were you when that first book was published?\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> I was 29.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> How old were your kids?\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Ryan was 6, and Celeste was 4.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> She wrote that first book, being that young, and watching those kids.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> What was the name of that book?\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> <em>The Mormon Mirage<\/em> was published by Zondervan. They asked me about ten to twelve years ago to update it; because Mormon doctrine has changed so radically that, from the time that I left the Mormon Church until now, it is hardly recognizable. There are so many things that have happened in the Mormon Church I <em>never<\/em> would have dreamed would have happened. It\u2019s a morphing religion; it really is.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; and you told us at lunch about your relationship with your husband in the last few years. Talk about what that has been like.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Well, Dan was not a theologian. He was a faithful Christian, but he called my writing \u201cthe habit that he supported.\u201d We had a very comfortable life, and I was able to get my PhD in biblical studies and to write books.\n\nBut about ten years ago, he had his second case of a disease called Guillain-Barre Syndrome. This one put him in a coma for months and months. He was intubated; I mean, I didn\u2019t hear his voice or see his eyes for months. When he came out of that coma, he was a paraplegic\u2014a quadriplegic, actually\u2014I cared for him at home for a year after that while I was working. But by that time I was 60\u2014so you know, you don\u2019t\/you can\u2019t do that forever\u2014he went into assisted living and, finally, into nursing care.\n\nIn the process of this, we lost everything financially. His medical bills were over\n\n$6 million; but this was the great opportunity to do two things I always wanted to do in my life. One of them was to prove my faith. First Peter says that your faith is worth more than silver and gold, and we undergo trials so that we can prove that. I would remind myself of this: \u201cI get to prove faith in this.\u201d\n\nAlso, I got to see what a local church does to help support someone who is really in trouble; my church was extraordinary in helping me. I mean, one of my books that I wrote on, with a coauthor\u2014we signed the contract of the book, literally, over Dan\u2019s intubated body\u2014we shake hands. I wrote that entire book on discovering the city of Sodom on hospital side tables and in the front seat of my car while friends of mine from church would come in and sit with Dan; because none of us wanted him to wake up and be alone.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh!\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> We didn\u2019t know when he was going to wake up, and it was <em>months<\/em>.\n\nI was able to\u2014with the help of this church, and with my mom, and my brother, and others who supported me financially\u2014we ended up losing everything, but guess what? We were completely provided for. I never did without a meal; I never missed a payment. I came out of this with a good credit rating. You can lose everything and still have a good credit rating, by the way. [Laughter] But I got to see what the church is supposed to do. It is supposed to rise up triumphantly and care for one another; and it was <em>beautiful<\/em>. And the Mountainside Church of Christ in Albuquerque, New Mexico\u2014I salute you\u2014because you took care of me. Now, that my husband is gone\u2014he passed away about a year ago\u2014the authority of those elders at that church are now my protectors and my helpers too.\n\nDan and I often talked about his catastrophic illness was the best thing that ever happened to us, because we got to prove our faith. We got to show that it really stands, and you can do this. You can lose everything: you can lose your health\u2014well, we didn\u2019t lose our reputations\u2014but you can lose things that most people think are important; and if you have the Lord, nothing else matters.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well done. It is easy to have our eyes on ourselves; we take our eyes off of Jesus in the midst of our pain because we can barely catch a breath. Yet, you loved him [Dan] well to the very end and brought glory to Jesus through your servant\u2019s heart; and you\u2019re not bitter or mad that you have lost everything.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> No, no.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You see the provision of God through your friends in the midst of it.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Yes; unless it\u2019s really dark, you can\u2019t see the light so clearly; right? I know I got to see things and experience things I never would have gotten to see or know.\n\nI have to give credit to Dr. Beth. She was a <em>great<\/em> help to me through that; because she would tell me, \u201cYou can\u2019t do this. Latayne, you need to stop doing this.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s a good friend.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I was going to ask you, Beth: \u201cYou <em>watched<\/em> this go on. What was your perspective?\u201d\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> She was <em>very faithful<\/em>. She writes about the phases of faith\u2014that God gives us promises, and we often experience contradictions before there is a resolution\u2014and we lose faith in the contradictions, because we don\u2019t understand\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> \u2014that the contradictions build the faith. It broke my heart; there were lots of mornings, where there were phone calls. She was struggling, and it was hard to hear.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You have had your own share of grief: you\u2019ve lost your mom; you\u2019ve lost a son.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> One of the kids I helped raise: I lost him about six years ago; my dad six years ago; my mom this May\/May 21<sup>st<\/sup>. I was <em>blessed<\/em> with my parents, and I got to go help take care of my parents.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cI got to go.\u201d\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Yes! I <em>wanted<\/em> to give back to people who had given me so much. When you have extraordinary parents, how can you <em>not<\/em> honor them? How can you <em>not<\/em> go every chance you get to try to make sure they are well cared for and that they <em>know<\/em> they are loved?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Talk to our listeners about being a woman who gives Jesus everything. All of your gifts\u2014it\u2019s like the widow giving her last mite\u2014why is that important to do?\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know that I even realized I did that. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Yes, me either.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> That\u2019s unusual to hear from your perspective.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s just what you do. If I had a message about giving Jesus everything, that is what Christians do. I mean, when you are buried in baptism, you come out a new creature; right? You put the old life behind; and when you take up a cross, you are agreeing to die for Him. Why should it be so hard to live for Him? I mean, your life is not yours, as it says, \u201cYou were bought with a price.\u201d Your life is not your own, so it\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It hasn\u2019t been a drudgery for you two.\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> No.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> Oh, no.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It has been a <em>joy<\/em> for you; hasn\u2019t it?\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Well, I get to do what I like to do; and she gets to do what she likes to do. I think we get the deal. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> I have always prayed that God would use me as a servant. I really have prayed, since the loss of my mother, about where this next stage of my life is going to go; because I don\u2019t know where it is going to go. I just want to be used\u2014I want to be used up\u2014I don\u2019t want to rust out.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes! Me too! I think that has been my most important prayer over the years. It started when I was 18; I said, \u201cJesus, I\u2019ll do anything for You. I\u2019ll go anywhere. I\u2019ll say anything. I\u2019ll live for You for the rest of my life.\u201d I\u2019ve said that continually to Him. I am telling you, when you pray that prayer, it\u2019s as if He is shaking His head; He\u2019s like, \u201cGet ready, girl.\u201d\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> He takes you up on that; doesn\u2019t He?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He does; He has <em>so much<\/em> for us. \u201cI don\u2019t\u201d\u2014I can see that you are like this\u2014\u201cI don\u2019t want to miss it. I don\u2019t want to miss anything.\u201d It\u2019s not easy; it\u2019s not always easy, but it is <em>good<\/em> to be in the center of what God has for you.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019ll say this, as being the only male in the room, and the only\u2014you know as Jim and I sat there at lunch with you three ladies, including Ann my wife\u2014that\u2019s what I think struck me: is you are <em>saints<\/em>, who are\u2014[Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He knows that is not true! [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Latayne:<\/strong> Don\u2019t tell our friends.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> When I say saints, I\u2019m talking the way Paul and Peter wrote\u2014you know, anybody who is in Christ is a saint in Christ Jesus; so I don\u2019t mean you are above anybody else\u2014but it\u2019s like you\u2019re serving. I mean, just hearing your stories\u2014the ones you\u2019ve taken in, the books, and the things you\u2019ve done\u2014it\u2019s almost like it\u2019s sort of unseen; it\u2019s sort of behind the scenes. Yet, the widow\u2019s mite\u2014Jesus sees\u2014and He sees you, including Ann.\n\nAs a man, sitting there, I was like, \u201cWow! These are <em>incredible<\/em> women!\u201d\u2014that aren\u2019t up here, above everybody\u2014like flashy, showy, \u201cLook at what I\u2019m doing,\u201d\u2014but you are serving in just a beautiful way. Like Latayne said, you are giving your lives away and, in that, finding yourself.\n\nI think there are so many listeners that are like you. They are serving; maybe, you wonder, \u201cDoes anybody see?\u201d Jesus sees, and I think there are men like me that see. I just want to say to you, and to any woman listening that feels like your life is just the unseen: \u201cIt isn\u2019t; God is using you just like He is\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cand <em>wants<\/em> to use you.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cusing you three powerful women in a powerful way.\u201d It\u2019s sort of like, from me to you, \u201cThank you. Thank you for what you are doing.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I thank you too.\n\n<strong>Beth:<\/strong> You\u2019re welcome.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Listening to Beth Robinson and Latayne Scott share their stories, I\u2019m just reminded of the fact that each one of us has a story. God is at work in each of our lives, and His fingerprints are all over our lives. What we often fail to recognize is that God\u2019s work in us is a part of the story we have to tell to others. Here, at FamilyLife, our desire is that you would, not only be strengthened in your marriage and your family, but that you would share your life, your story, and the truth of God\u2019s Word with others: people in your neighborhood, people at church, people in your community.\n\nWe\u2019ve put together a number of resources designed to help you do that\u2014whether it\u2019s marriage studies like Dave and Ann Wilson\u2019s <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> video series, the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> video series,\u00a0 the <em>Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> or <em>The<\/em> <em>Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014our hope with these series is that you would connect with other couples; and in the context of sharing God\u2019s truth about marriage and family, you\u2019d have an opportunity to share about God\u2019s work in your own life\/share your own story.\n\nYour testimony is powerful, and God wants you to proclaim to others the goodness of what He has done in your life. So how are you doing that? Again, if our resources can help you in a strategic way reach out to others, go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, for more information about the series that we have available that you can use as tools to connect with others; and then, get engaged in the lives of other people. That\u2019s our goal\/our hope, here at FamilyLife, and we want to help you do that however we can.\n\nNow, tomorrow, Dave and Ann Wilson are going to tackle one of the tough questions that comes our way, along with Dr. Juli Slattery. The question is the Bible says wives are to submit to their husbands; but what does that mean? Is that for real? What is submission? And what <em>isn\u2019t<\/em> it? How have we, maybe, misunderstood that idea? That is all coming up tomorrow. I hope you can be with us for that.\n\nOn behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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