{"id":307330,"date":"2021-12-16T08:03:19","date_gmt":"2021-12-16T13:03:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/a-plan-for-building-our-childrens-faith\/"},"modified":"2021-12-16T08:03:19","modified_gmt":"2021-12-16T13:03:19","slug":"a-plan-for-building-our-childrens-faith","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-plan-for-building-our-childrens-faith\/","title":{"rendered":"A Plan For Building Our Children&#8217;s Faith"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As Christian parents, we plan for the most important things in life but what about our childs faith? 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[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s a good answer; that\u2019s not the answer to the actual quote. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Some French author said, \u201cA goal without a plan is a wish.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Have you ever heard that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; honestly, it\u2019s like, \u201cIf I have a goal, but there is no plan; it\u2019s just a wish.\u201d I hope\u2014if I want to lose weight and I have no plan; if I want to win the Super Bowl in Detroit with the Detroit Lions, and you don\u2019t have a plan\u2014it\u2019s <em>never<\/em> going to happen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right? I think the reason I bring that up is\u2014if you think about family, and you think about spiritual leadership in your family\u2014don\u2019t you think that is what a lot of us parents do? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, because we all <em>long for<\/em> a discipleship process; we want to be these great disciplers of our kids. We long for it; we wish for it, but I think so many of us feel ill-equipped. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI feel like it\u2019s a diet\u2014[Laughter]\u2014you know what I mean?\u2014you have this new plan, like, \u201cI\u2019m going to go on this diet today.\u201d And then you fail; and then you\u2019re like, \u201cSee, it didn\u2019t work.\u201d I think discipleship with our families and our kids can be like that: \u201cI\u2019m really excited!\u201d\u2014and\u2014\u201cOh, they just don\u2019t seem interested, and they are hitting each other, and they are running around. That one didn\u2019t work.\u201d I feel like we can get discouraged. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Of course, you\u2019re not talking about <em>our<\/em> kids; they <em>never<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, of course not. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014ever did that. Actually, that was almost <em>every<\/em> family devotional. [Laughter] Tell you what: so many families can relate to that; and that\u2019s why we exist, here, at FamilyLife. It\u2019s a ministry that has helped families, like ours and yours, really stay to a plan and keep it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s so exciting; we have David Robbins with us today, the president of FamilyLife. David, as you think about that, talk about how critical this time of year is for our ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Well, I just think about this conversation\/I\u2019m going, \u201cThis is what we are all about: families discipling their kids; families discipling families around them that don\u2019t know Jesus, taking the gospel to places that there are gospel gaps\/where Jesus is not known in that home.\u201d That is what we are about at FamilyLife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis year is a <em>critical<\/em> time as we have plans, whether it is for <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> and continuing its reach, <em>or<\/em> to make more small group resources so that <em>more<\/em> people can be sent out to form community in their neighborhoods to help those kids, who aren\u2019t getting truth in their home at all. <em>That\u2019s<\/em> what we are about at FamilyLife: to be able to reach another home, one home at a time. I just want to challenge and <em>invite<\/em> you to join with us in getting the gospel to more families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think this is a critical time; but I <em>love<\/em> how we are helping people make this donation of helping us fulfill all these goals by this dollar-for-dollar match. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I tell you what, David, you got me excited. I mean, sitting here, listening to what you are saying, it\u2019s like, \u201cI want to help.\u201d There is something in my soul\u2014and I think it\u2019s true for our listeners\u2014that says, \u201cThat matters, and I want to be a part of it. I just don\u2019t want to give my time; I want to actually give my talents and my treasure\/my money.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019re going to give to something at yearend. Why not a ministry like ours that makes an eternal impact on a family and on a legacy? Here is how you can do it\u2014very simple\u2014go to FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can dial us at 800-FL-TODAY. Then here is the amazing thing: that gift will be matched, dollar for dollar. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, and up to $1.5 million, which is incredible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014which is amazing! It means whatever you give is <em>doubled<\/em>, so who wouldn\u2019t want to do that? You\u2019re going to have an impact on families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere is another amazing thing: you give a gift to us; we will give a gift back to you. We\u2019re going to send you Dane Ortlund\u2019s new book, 150 devotions on the Psalms, <em>and<\/em> playing cards\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Playing cards?! What\u2019s that?! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014which are conversation starters for your marriage and your family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Ooh! So you can play cards, but you can ask deep questions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I know you love that stuff. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnyway, you\u2019re going to love it as well. So you give a gift; we give you a gift\u2014again, 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014and it will impact marriages and families\u2014and as we are talking about today\u2014parenting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s one of the things we love\u2014to help parents\u2014so let\u2019s talk parenting. We\u2019ve got in the studio today a guy\u2014I\u2019m not kidding\u2014when I read about what you\u2019ve done with your family, Terence Chatmon, I thought, \u201cThis guy, not only has a goal; you are a man with the plan.\u201d Terence, welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> Oh, it\u2019s so good to be here and looking forward to our conversation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Terence, did you hear that?! You are the man with the plan. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> Well, he\u2019s just trying to butter me up. I think he\u2019s trying to get some football tickets or something. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, I will take football tickets <em>anytime<\/em> you\u2019ve got them! But no, I\u2019m not kidding! When I read about what you do, and what you\u2019ve done\u2014and we\u2019re going to talk about this today\u2014with your family\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014it\u2019s inspiring. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I can tend to be a guy with <em>lofty<\/em> goals and aspirations\u2014not always sitting down going, \u201cOkay, how are we going to get there?\u201d\u2014I mean, I have in different areas of my life. But when I looked at your life and your family, you\u2019re not a guy with just a goal; you are a guy, [who] has a goal with a plan; right? Some of that is, I\u2019m guessing, from your background. Tell us a little bit about\u2014you\u2019ve worked at some pretty important places\u2014tell us a little bit about your background, because I know that\u2019s where you learned a lot about how to develop these kinds of plans. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> You know, it sure is. I started with companies like Johnson &amp; Johnson<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Citi Bank<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and Coca-Cola<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> so as an executive leader in those companies. We learned a thing or two about planning. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I think about this plan, it really goes way back well beyond, into my early years, where we used to have Sunday dinner every Sunday over at my house. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014when you were a kid? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> Right; but what\u2019s important about it is Sunday was a time for the Lord. We started out with Sunday school in early morning. Of course, church eleven; I went to a church, where we just got <em>started<\/em> at three or four o\u2019clock. [Laughter] Today, it\u2019s \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\ttwelve o\u2019clock, we\u2019re looking at our watch.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence: <\/strong>But you know, we just got warmed up. Then guess what? Sunday evening was revival of some sort, so we had revival at six\/seven o\u2019clock. Obviously, my life has been centered around a good family meal, spiritually, and also around the dinner table. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So you get married 38 years ago; tell us a little bit about your family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> You know, married to a wonderful wife, Wanda; met at the University of Illinois in Champaign-Urbana. You know, we just met each other, fell in love, and were married in \u201982, and have been married going on almost 40 years\u2014so 39 years\u2014three beautiful kids: two girls, one boy. They are all married now and have kids of their own. We are working on our number six grandchild\u2014four today but two coming\u2014my youngest daughter is expecting <em>twins<\/em> in a couple of weeks. We\u2019re going to be populating\u2014we\u2019re doing our part, as the Chatmon family, to populate the earth here\u2014so we\u2019ll have <em>six<\/em> grandkids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Congratulations; that\u2019s <em>exciting<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s awesome. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTalk a little bit about spiritual formation in your family; because when I was reading through your life\u2014I listened\u2014you have a podcast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What\u2019s it called?\u2014the <em>Victorious Family<\/em>? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> <em>Victorious <\/em><strong><em>Friday<\/em><\/strong>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong><em>Victorious <\/em><strong><em>Friday<\/em><\/strong><em>.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> Right; every Friday, noontime, we want to talk to you about what it means to plan. As you said, if you fail to plan, you just fail. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere is the idea: our goal is for parents to really plant the seed to the answer to the question: \u201cDo your children believe?\u201d Because at the end of the day\u2014we are raising kids; we have a responsibility\u2014there are some key things. We have a responsibility to train and instruct them in the Lord; I mean, that is Ephesians 6:4. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> It talks about fathers\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cDo not exasperate\u2026\u201d; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cDo not exasperate\u2026\u201d I was doing real well in that area of exasperation; you know? [Laughter] But he says to do what? He says we\u2019ve got to bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord; that\u2019s really family discipleship. So how do we become intentional in that process? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, to answer one of your earlier questions\u2014to come back\u2014my wife [and I] was off on an anniversary trip, and we were just enjoying life. I thought, \u201cI\u2019ll bring three questions. We might as well talk about where we\u2019ve been in the last ten years.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> This is like year 15?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> No, it\u2019s like year <em>ten<\/em>\/year ten. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Oh, you\u2019re married; okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence: <\/strong>I said, \u201cWhere have we been these last ten years? Where are we <em>now<\/em>, and where are we going?\u201d Our kids were between ten and fifteen years of age. We were talking about it, having a great conversation; and then one question came up that led to this whole thing: \u201cAre the kids prepared to defend their faith after high school?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Your wife asked that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> My wife asked that question. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Women are wise, men. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> We heard all the studies: 68-74 percent of children are walking away from the faith after high school. I have a different take on that; but we had heard that story, and we wanted to address it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> What was going on in <em>your<\/em> family <em>before<\/em> that? Were you purposeful\/intentional about discipling your kids up to that point? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> I would say we were not intentional. We were doing like most parents. We all want to do the right thing; sometimes, we just don\u2019t know how. Sometimes, we just go where the wind is blowing. We did the normal thing; we took them to church. We abdicated the responsibility of raising our kids to the church and to my wife, [to be] quite candid with you. I was building big businesses\u2014that was my priority; that was what I was doing\u2014I had abdicated that responsibility to my wife and the church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs we moved through that, we started to think about this whole idea of sanctification\/this whole idea of process\u2014how we are going to be <em>intentional<\/em> in training our kids in the Lord\u2014so we don\u2019t leave it to wherever the wind blows and what circumstances; we are intentional. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs we were thinking about that question\u2014and she asked that question, \u201cAre they prepared?\u201d\u2014we came back with the response: \u201cThey are <em>not<\/em> prepared.\u201d Well, the loving wife, and the gracious wife, that she is, she just turns to me and says, \u201cWell, what are you going to do about it?\u201d [Laughter] I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat am I going to do about it? What are <em>you<\/em> going to do about? You\u2019re the spiritual leader of the home; I\u2019m not the spiritual leader of the home. What are <em>you<\/em> going to do? And what is the church going to do?\u2014what are <em>they<\/em> doing?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe left me with this kind, loving remark: \u201cWell, in two weeks, I want you to come back and tell me how we are going to be intentional in raising our kids.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, she gave you a time table. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> She said that to you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> Two weeks. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u201cYou\u2019ve got two weeks, Terence\u201d: 14 days. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> We get into this mode: \u201cWell, what do I know about this?\u201d\u2014right?\u2014I\u2019m\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t68 percent of parents feel totally inadequate to raise their kids in the Lord\u2014I was feeling that at that moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> So I began to think, \u201cWell, what do I know? I know how to write plans. I\u2019ve been writing some billion dollar plans for a little, small beverage company. [Laughter] I think I can do the same here. So what do I know about that? But more importantly, what do I know about those 66 books\u2014those basic instructions before leaving this earth\u2014what do I know about that?\u201d\u2014and\u2014\u201cHow can I incorporate that into some systematized process to raise <em>my<\/em> kids in the Lord?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>In two weeks, I went back and said, \u201cListen, first, we need to understand: \u2018What are our values? What do we really believe in to be true?\u2019\u201d Some of those values we knew; some of those values were not yet; and some of those values we needed to flesh out a bit more. We started to go through a process: \u201cWhat are our values?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, as in any business plan, you never think to start a business without a business plan; you have to have a vision. You never start a ministry without a ministry plan; you have to have a vision. \u201cWhat\u2019s on the horizon?\u201d \u201cWhere are we taking them?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2019s the destination?\u201d I would recommend you have to really understand where you are taking them. For us, we wanted our kids to fall madly in love with Christ Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We all <em>long<\/em> for that; don\u2019t we?\u2014yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> Yes; \u201cSo how do we get there?\u201d\u2014becomes our mission. We start to look at that; and \u201cHow do we plant seeds so that that answer to the question is very clear: \u2018Do our children believe?\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s not about what we do, actually; it\u2019s about what He has done on the cross. So what we need to do is to help them understand\u2014who He is and what He has done\u2014and let them investigate the faith on their own. The Holy Spirit will move in such a way that they will come to know Him, and they will come to love Him, and they will come to walk with Him out of pure joy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, it is interesting, hearing you say that. I think some men and women would resonate with: \u201cI can do that.\u201d Others would be like, \u201cI\u2019m not sure <em>how<\/em> to even start.\u201d That\u2019s all in your book; right?\u2014<em>Do Your Children Believe?<\/em> Do you walk them through that in the book?\u2014\u201cHow do I sit down\/how do I figure out what our goal is?\u201d\u2014\u201cwhat our vision is?\u201d\u2014\u201cwhat our values are?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> Well, you know, we\u2019ve been blessed for the last 12-and-a-half years to train over a hundred thousand parents on just that very thing, walking them through in a one-day process. We have what we call a <em>Do Your Children Believe?<\/em> workshop. It\u2019s a one-day workshop. We walk them through how to begin to draft such a plan. Again, when you start it, it seems <em>daunting<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> It seems like, \u201cWell, I\u2019m not a planner; I don\u2019t know anything about this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut we have a plan for our children\u2014it may not be written; it may be in our heads\u2014but the idea of: \u201cIf you write it down, it gets done.\u201d I mean, there are plenty of studies that prove that point: Harvard said they did a study; Yale said they did it\u2014but whoever wants to take credit for it\u2014but what it says is they studied students from the class of 1979. Eighty-three percent did not have goals\/did not write them down\u2014they achieved <em>less<\/em> than the three percent, who wrote their goals down, looked at them every day, lived them out\u2014they accomplished more than the eighty-three [percent] did. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s a very simple process that, if you write it down, you have to think about it. If you are thinking about it, you have to pray about it, and you have to go through this process. At the end of the day, it gets done. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You already hinted on this, and you hinted that you don\u2019t agree with the statistic that 68 percent of kids after high school walk away; what do you mean by that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> Well, they may walk away from the church; but if they have truly been saved by grace, they can never walk away. I believe we didn\u2019t earn it, so we can\u2019t lose it; we can\u2019t walk away from it. Now, we may minimize it in our life, and we may choose to live more in the world than we do in our spiritual side; but if we are truly saved\/if we are truly walking with the Lord, I don\u2019t think we can ever walk away from something that we never walked <em>to<\/em> in the first place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>You may not prioritize that walk on a regular basis. However, the faith\u2014the fact that I have an intimate, personal relationship with Christ\u2014I don\u2019t think can ever be abandoned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Terence, I <em>love<\/em> hearing all of that; because I think it resonates with every listener. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTake us back again to this pivotal point of your wife giving you a couple weeks to come up with your plan. I\u2019m picturing you as a very successful businessman; and now, you are coming up with this plan for your family. Take us on this journey of what happened <em>after<\/em> that. Did you stay in business? How did you have the time?\u2014thinking of listeners, like: \u201cI don\u2019t have the time,\u201d\u2014what happened in <em>your<\/em> life? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> Yes; so we prioritize what we desire and what we value. What I value most is that my kids would have a personal relationship with the Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere is where we started. I started on my knees in that prayer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just went back; I said, \u201cWhat vision do I have? Where am I taking my kids?\u201d If I want to go on a trip to Chicago, I\u2019m going to map out the trip to Chicago; right? I\u2019m going to figure out my mile markers\u2014which we call goals, by the way\u2014and we simply say, \u201cHere is what I want: my kids to fall madly in love with the Lord.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow does that work? Well, you\u2019ve got to spend time in God\u2019s Word. We have to be on our knees in prayer. We have to worship as a family together and have conversations together on a regular basis. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, how often do we do that? Now, this is the real spiritual side. I\u2019m busy; I\u2019m flying around the world. I think Delta<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> still loves me and so forth. [Laughter] I said, \u201cWell, why don\u2019t I do this once a month?\u201d My kids said, \u201cOnce a <em>month<\/em>; what about once a week?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cI can\u2019t do it once a week; I\u2019m too busy.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Your kids were asking you to do it once a week? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> Once a week. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> They are teenagers at this point? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> The theologian that I am; I said, \u201cWhat about twice a month?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You\u2019ll meet them in the middle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> We\u2019ll meet them in the middle. I\u2019m going to compromise\u2014negotiation, high-skill level\u2014so I said, \u201cTwo weeks\u201d; we settled on two weeks. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGuess what? We\u2019ve been doing family devotions for 20 years now, every other Sunday. It used to be 9 to 10. We\u2019re getting older now; it\u2019s 8 to 9. [Laughter] Now, we do it virtually. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> They are out of the house now; they are married. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> They are out of the house, married with kids. We\u2019re still doing our family devotionals. My job is to construct the year\/map it out, and I\u2019m kind of walking them through the process. Every two weeks, we\u2019re on the phone: 8 to 9. Now, they are old enough; they do the teaching\/they share in the teaching. I tell you; it\u2019s the <em>best<\/em> time we have over the week. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s <em>amazing<\/em>. Give us a picture of when it <em>started<\/em>. Your kids were teenagers. Did they seem interested? I\u2019m thinking our kids are looking at their watches: \u201cWhen is this over?\u201d Were you discouraged at all at the beginning? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> Here is the beauty: make it fun. If I would have taken a plan\u2014\u201cHey, guys, I think we\u2019re going to do a plan; and let me talk about vision statements and mission statements,\u201d\u2014[Laughter]\u2014they would have said, \u201cHey, Dad, thank you so much; have a nice day.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI did a little bit different approach. I said, \u201cListen, we\u2019re going to go up to Lake Lanier,\u201d\u2014there is a log cabin up there right outside of Georgia\u2014\u201cand we\u2019re just going to spend the weekend together,\u201d\u2014we did that often\u2014\u201cWe\u2019re going to have fun. What we are going to do is we are going to go play putt-putt golf; and do a lot of other fun things that we love, some fishing and different things.\u201d By the way, I did win in the putt-putt golf tournament; but that is a side story. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> A couple hole-in-ones\u2014I bet you did. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> I still have the score card. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You really do?! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> Well, you know, kids get convenience amnesia sometimes; so I have to bring them back to reality. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You\u2019ve got to show them; huh? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> We go out, and we play putt-putt, and we have a great time. You know how I started? I just shared my story. I said, \u201cI just want to share my story. I want to talk to you about my life before Christ, how I came to Christ, and my life after Christ.\u201d It wasn\u2019t an hour\/two hour story, because they weren\u2019t going to sit for that long. They are used to dad talking for that long\u2014but this time they gave me about three to five minutes\u2014I just wanted to share my story. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, when was the last time that <em>you<\/em>, as a Christian parent, have shared your story with your child? And when is the last time you heard <em>their<\/em> story if they are a Christian? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI shared my story\u2014I just had fun\u2014and then my wife shared <em>her<\/em> story. Then, because my kids were Christians, they shared <em>their<\/em> story; but if they weren\u2019t Christians, I still wanted to hear their story; right? When they shared their story, there were things I had never heard before; and I just said, \u201cPraise the Lord.\u201d That\u2019s how we started. We just started sharing our story\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That is beautiful and simple. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence:<\/strong> \u2014and God\u2019s story in that; right? The golden thread that kind of weaved through all that process was Christ Jesus, so that\u2019s how we started. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think your story is so encouraging, Terence, because first of all, you said, \u201cYou were praying, like, \u2018God, what is in me? What do I have to offer?\u2019\u201d He really did give you an idea and a plan, and we are going to get into that more; but I like, too, that you started out with just your story\u2014your story of salvation, the story of your life, how Jesus led you to Him\u2014and the same with your wife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>We often <em>never<\/em> share that with our kids; yet, it is a pivotal part of our history and our legacy. I think that could be a <em>great<\/em> place to start with our kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I think owning the fact that we, as parents, it\u2019s on us. It\u2019s really easy to farm it out;\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014I think the church needs to do it. I, as a pastor of a church for years\u2014and yes, we want to help families do that; we want to be in partnership\u2014but we know we\u2019ve got your kid for an hour\/maybe an hour-and-a-half a week. You\u2019ve got them [longer]; and yet, we as parents\u2014and I would just say to the dads and moms listening\u2014\u201cIt\u2019s your job, and it <em>isn\u2019t<\/em> rocket science. We can do this, and we are responsible before God to do it.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> But, Dave, he also started out on his knees;\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014that\u2019s the <em>first<\/em> step. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> I know that the idea of guiding your family spiritually, as a husband or as a wife, this can feel like you are out of your league. It can feel overwhelming; you think, \u201cI don\u2019t know where to start.\u201d You think, \u201cI\u2019m not sure I\u2019m making a difference.\u201d What we\u2019ve heard today from Terence Chatmon is we can begin to take some quick, easy first steps in the right direction and then watch how God honors that\/how He blesses that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTerence Chatmon has written a book called <em>Do Your Children Believe?: Becoming Intentional about Your Families\u2019 Faith and Spiritual Legacy<\/em>. He, not only tells about his own journey toward that kind of intentionality, but he maps out for us an easy-to-follow pattern so that we can begin to implement\/make some simple changes that will change the trajectory of your family spiritually. We\u2019ve got copies of Terence\u2019s book available. You can go to FamilyLifeToday.com to request your copy, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the book is called <em>Do Your Children Believe?<\/em> Order it from us online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we are at the halfway point in the month of December. Here, at FamilyLife, we are continuing to hope and pray expectantly that in the next two-and-a-half weeks, we will see many of you step forward\u2014go online or call us\u2014and make a yearend donation to support the ongoing work of this ministry. What happens over the next two-and-a-half weeks is critical to what we are able to do in the next year. About 40 percent of the money we need to operate will come in during the month of December; and so what happens here in the next few weeks is determinative for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFortunately, we have had some friends of the ministry, who have come to us and said they will match every donation we receive here at FamilyLife, during the month of December, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $1.5 million. We\u2019ve already been able to take advantage of a chunk of that money from the matching-gift fund, because some of you have already made donations: thank you for your support. We\u2019re still a ways away from being able to take full advantage of that million-and-a-half dollar matching gift. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo we\u2019re asking you today, \u201cWill you make a yearend donation online at FamilyLifeToday.com or by calling 1-800-FL-TODAY?\u201d Whatever you give will be matched dollar for dollar. If you give $50, we receive $100 total. If you give $100, we receive $200. If you give $250; we get $500\u2014you see how it works\u2014would you be as generous as you can be today? Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to donate, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you do, we\u2019ll say, \u201cThank you,\u201d by sending you a copy of a devotional book that will be <em>great<\/em> for you in the new year; it\u2019s from the book of Psalms. Dane Ortlund has written 150 devotions from each of the Psalms, and his book is called <em>In the Lord I Take Refuge<\/em>. The book is our gift to you when you donate, again, online at FamilyLifeToday.com or by calling 1-800-FL-TODAY. We hope to hear from you. Thanks, in advance, for whatever you are able to do; and please pray for us that we will be able to take full advantage of this matching-gift opportunity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Now, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to continue to hear about practical ways we can engage our family spiritually\u2014point our kids in the right direction\u2014help mold and shape their hearts with God\u2019s Word. Terence Chatmon is back with us tomorrow. I hope you will be as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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