{"id":307323,"date":"2021-12-10T08:02:43","date_gmt":"2021-12-10T13:02:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/how-to-have-hope-in-tough-holidays\/"},"modified":"2021-12-10T08:02:43","modified_gmt":"2021-12-10T13:02:43","slug":"how-to-have-hope-in-tough-holidays","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/how-to-have-hope-in-tough-holidays\/","title":{"rendered":"How to Have Hope in Tough Holidays"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Facing disappointment in a hard holiday season? 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I\u2019m not even going to get into why, but do you remember our first Christmas in California? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> <em>Yes<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What do you remember? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That we were all by ourselves. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, we were in seminary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It was awful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We moved to California from\u2014you know, grew up in Ohio\u2014and literally, we were on staff with Athletes in Action in Nebraska; decided that God had called us, long-term, to ministry; so we should go get trained. We ended up in seminary in California. We had two friends, Bob and Judy; remember?! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> They invited us to their house. We had <em>nobody<\/em>\u2014we had <em>nowhere<\/em> to go for Christmas\u2014it was like so lonely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> They said, \u201cYou guys, we feel so bad you are going to be all alone. Come with us to our family\u2019s Christmas. We cook; it\u2019s <em>amazing<\/em>. You\u2019re going to <em>love<\/em> this.\u201d We get our bags packed. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, we are all excited, sitting by the front door at 8 am. They said they would be there at 9 am; they never showed! We sat there <em>all<\/em> day. [Laughter] That night, we get a call like 7\/8 o\u2019clock; they are like, \u201cWe are <em>so sorry<\/em>! We <em>forgot<\/em>!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It was <em>awful<\/em>; it was the <em>worst<\/em> Christmas <em>ever<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> They forgot us! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Christmas is coming up; and it can be a high, or it can be a low like that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This can be\u2014and statistically-speaking\u2014one of the hardest seasons; because of depression, expectations that aren\u2019t met. It can be really hard; because you are assuming everyone is having this <em>wonderful<\/em> Christmas, and you are alone. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe truth is\u2014this is one of the things I love about <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014is we are here for you, and you are <em>not<\/em> alone. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s a beautiful thing. We get to meet you right where you are, which is really Jesus meeting you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014right where you are. You know, I hope, as you come to the yearend and think about your life and the future, I hope you feel like, \u201cI need FamilyLife. God meets me through this broadcast.\u201d What you need to know is we need you as well, and we are inviting you to join us prayerfully, and even financially, to make a donation at yearend. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, and the great part is, at this time of year, every donation you make is going to be matched, dollar for dollar. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That means <em>doubled<\/em>, because of some generous donors who believe in this ministry, hopefully, the same way you do. We\u2019re inviting you: \u201cJoin us. This is the kind of help and hope we bring to your home and other homes as well.\u201d Man, we invite you to join and be our partners. Here is how you do it: just go to FamilyLifeToday.com, make a donation there; or you can call us at 1-800-FL-TODAY, and that money will go to impacting families all around the world. Let me say, \u201cThank you,\u201d because it really means a lot to us for you to be our partners. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got the president of FamilyLife, David Robbins, and his wife Meg with us. Guys, welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Good to be here, team. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Woo! We <em>love<\/em> having you guys! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We are glad to have you here, and David\u2019s the president of FamilyLife. We love it when we get to have you two in the studio, because we get to hear our president\u2019s perspective, not only on your life, but on the ministry of FamilyLife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet\u2019s talk about this: Christmas or holidays. You know we just had Thanksgiving; we\u2019re moving toward Christmas. Do you remember any seasons?\u2014Christmases? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Oh, my goodness! When you started to talk about that story, I immediately thought of our very first Christmas together, which by the way, that it so sad that you\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Isn\u2019t that sad?! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> That is sad; that\u2019s <em>hard<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> We\u2019re laughing but, also, crying inside. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Hey, Bob and Judy, if you are listening, we love you! They felt <em>so<\/em> bad. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> I feel sad for them too. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur first Christmas\u2014so we got married the week of Thanksgiving\u2014so we were on our honeymoon for Thanksgiving. Our pre-marriage counselor knew my family really well and knew\/he knew a lot about David\u2019s family. He said, \u201cYou know what? Your parents\u2014all of your parents love you a lot\u2014they are so awesome. They are very family-oriented; not everybody has this. But your challenge is going to be leaving and cleaving well\u2014you know, leaving in a healthy way\u2014that doesn\u2019t mean you cut your family off.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHis suggestion was: \u201cWhy don\u2019t you celebrate all of the first holidays on your own and kind of set some\u2014it doesn\u2019t mean you have to do it forever\u2014but just the first year.\u201d We were like, \u201cThat is such a good idea. We would never have thought of that.\u201d I was kind of thinking, \u201cThat sounds kind of sad, because Christmas with[out] family.\u201d But I\u2019m like, \u201cYou know what? We\u2019re creating our own family. This is great.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe just kind of mentioned to our\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Well, we mention; we tell; we <em>inform<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is what I\u2019m waiting for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> It wasn\u2019t really a discussion. We just kind of said, \u201cHey, our marriage counselor said this would be a good idea, so we\u2019re going to spend Christmas by <em>ourselves<\/em>.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> On Christmas Eve, we were with Meg\u2019s family\u2014which you have five siblings\u2014and it\u2019s raucous, and it\u2019s amazing. Christmas is a really big\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014deal, like it is for you, Ann. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Well, we were getting ready to <em>leave<\/em> to drive back home;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014on Christmas Eve. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> \u2014because we lived about an hour-and-a-half away. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m guessing everybody else is going to be together on Christmas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Pretty much the rest of my family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I\u2019m just picturing myself, reaching behind the tree for presents that are ours to pack them in the car; you know? [Laughter] We\u2019re making an ordeal; and at some point in that ordeal,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Somebody is like, \u201cWell, if you <em>weren\u2019t<\/em> leaving, this wouldn\u2019t be such a problem.\u201d Little comments start coming out. I\u2019m like, \u201cOh, they are not very happy about this\u201d; but I didn\u2019t know! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> They\u2019ve talked about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> They talked about it <em>a lot<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> They\u2019ve <em>all<\/em> talked about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> They tell their peace. We\u2019re mulling over what we are doing. We decide, \u201cLet\u2019s\u2026\u201d \u201cThey\u2019re going to do it,\u201d\u2014they\u2019re like\u2014\u201cNope! You\u2019re going to do it; you are going to do it.\u201d We were willing to stay; they were like, \u201cNo, get in the car.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> We were like, \u201cLet\u2019s just <em>stay<\/em>.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> So we pack up all of our presents from everybody, and we set out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> We get in the car; and we get about a mile down the road, and the car dies. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014a mile away. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> No way! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Totally dies. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Totally dies. We call home; and we\u2019re like, \u201cOkay, so little bit of a problem. [Laughter] Our car died.\u201d We\u2019re all just dying, laughing at this point. They were like, \u201cNo, we\u2019re going to bring you our car. You can take it and bring it back.\u201d We were like, \u201cNo, this must be the Lord saying, \u2018Stay here\u2019\u201d; so we did stay. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> The first Christmas was with <em>her<\/em> family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, there is something\u2014we all know the holidays sort of bring out sort of highs and lows; it can often be a really stressful time for families going through this stuff\u2014I mean, that\u2019s <em>hilarious<\/em>. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That is funny. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That is just hilarious. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet\u2019s talk about seasons of\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014when it\u2019s hard. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014struggle; you know, when it\u2019s hard. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Our first baby is a story of <em>totally<\/em> different expectations. When he came, he was an <em>amazing<\/em> gift to us. God created Him exactly like He intended to create him and shaped him in Meg\u2019s womb; but he was created with a genetic disease called cystic fibrosis that effects multiple things, including lungs, and reproductive system, and digestive system. It\u2019s a full-orbed thing that sent us into a trusting season, combined with: \u201cOur whole life is about to change\u201d; you know? Everything changes with a birth of this kid, [whom] God has gifted us with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Do you remember when you found out? I mean, was it early in the pregnancy? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> It was at the 20-week ultrasound. We went, just assuming regular scan; you will see all the things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> We had a miscarriage before\u2014just a year before\u2014so: \u201cAlright, we made it to the 20-week mark. Chances are better.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You\u2019re hopes are getting high. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Yes, very true; because the first few ultrasounds had been nerve-wrecking. This one felt like, \u201cOkay, we\u2019re at the middle; this feels a lot better.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe could just tell by looking at the ultrasound tech\u2019s face that something wasn\u2019t quite right; but our doctor came in and just said, \u201cYou know, we see something that isn\u2019t exactly what we expected to see. It\u2019s called echogenic bowel. Something in his stomach is more solid than it should be, and this could be\u201d\u2014listed off five things\u2014\u201cno big deal. There is a small chance it could be a symptom of cystic fibrosis.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had to be tested if I was a carrier; and then, David would have to be tested. I just remember getting in the car that day\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> We got into separate cars,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> We did,\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014because we drove separately. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> \u2014we had driven separately. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wait! Take us <em>back<\/em>. David, were you in there for the ultrasound? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; was there, totally. I remember when cystic fibrosis was mentioned. The only context I had, Dave, was Boomer Esiason\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014the great quarterback, whose son had cystic fibrosis. I was like, \u201cI\u2019ve heard of that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Did you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> When we had been there before, just a year earlier;\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, with the miscarriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014but then, this one was different. It was a flood of: \u201cWhat is it?\u201d There was a mystery involved instead of a finality involved, where you had to process grief. There was a shifting of expectations and mystery. We didn\u2019t\/like we just kind of looked at each other, \u201cOkay; Meg is going to get tested\/bloodwork done\u201d; but I remember us getting into separate cars. That\u2019s when it kind of hit for both of us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Yes; I remember getting in the car. It was like the Lord just whispered to my heart, \u201cI don\u2019t make mistakes.\u201d It reminded me of\u2014actually, a year before\u2014we had been at a conference. Some sweet friends, Brad and Anya Hopp, had been sharing about a pregnancy that they had that their child didn\u2019t seem to have any brain matter. They had been told: \u201cYou need to abort this baby.\u201d They were in another country at the time. They just really felt like, \u201cWell, we\u2019re <em>not<\/em> going to do that. We really believe God has written a story for our child.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe went on to share that God had put on her heart Psalm 18:30: \u201cAs for God, His way is perfect.\u201d Their child went on to be born. She is still living to this day\u2014and that was\u2014I mean, I think she is probably about 18; maybe older now. She does have complications, but she brings so much joy to their family. As I sat in the car, the Lord just reminded me of that verse, Psalm 18:30: \u201cAs for God, His way is perfect.\u201d I just felt the Lord give me this sense of confidence that He was making Ford exactly the way He wanted to make him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was scary; and the next several weeks of getting tested\u2014and we\u2019re both carriers\u2014and realizing, \u201cOkay, probably, this baby is going to have CF.\u201d There were many ups and downs, and have been through the years; but I feel like the Lord just kind of whispered that to me, from the beginning, to let me trust that this part of His plan and start of the story that He is writing for Ford and for our family and be able to cling to that when things got really hard and scary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> For me, I remember it was the <em>next<\/em> day, walking to work, and just a verse coming to my mind about how God numbers our days and just kind of felt the Lord\u2019s promptings of there is no shortened life. He numbers every one of our days. In the \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t24 hours I had been processing, it was a lot around challenges we may face while he is alive; but how long will he live? God met me right in that moment of: \u201cHe numbers our days. There is no shortened life; enjoy every day you get.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve had to trust in that; but yet, those were two\u2014out of twenty-four hours out of the gate\u2014the Lord really spoke to us in specific ways. That\u2019s been a foundation to build on as we keep trusting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think, as parents, fear and worry are two components that are <em>always<\/em> at the forefront of our minds. We can worry; we can be fearful. That could just dominate your feelings. And you\u2019re saying that\/was it a <em>constant<\/em> surrender? Because now, Ford is how old?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> He is 15, has his driver\u2019s permit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, boy! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> And he is <em>thriving<\/em>. I mean, it is <em>so<\/em> encouraging. He does a lot of unseen things that most people\u2014if you meet him, you wouldn\u2019t even know that he has anything going on; but\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What do you mean he does unseen\u2026 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> He has an hour-and-a-half, at least, of treatments that he does every day. He is the first one awake in our house\u2014very rarely\u2014I mean, God has given him this gift of waking himself up; I\u2019m very rarely having to go wake him up. He\u2019s up a little bit before me, doing his treatment and the vest that shakes up mucous in his lungs. He has to do a lot of unseen things; and he takes\u2014what?\u201432 pills a day; is that the current? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> About; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> That allows him to digest food. Yet, those things, along with a few breakthroughs that have happened medically in the cystic fibrosis community\u2014that\u2019s a really big deal\u2014has him thriving currently. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have had to trust through unknowns. Even moving to a major city like New York City: \u201cWill the smog affect him? But God, we have sensed Your call.\u201d There have been inflection points of trust. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, even with COVID\/with this pandemic\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014that is scary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> That was <em>very<\/em> scary, especially in the beginning; I mean, when we didn\u2019t know anything about it. All we knew was this is super dangerous for anyone with complicated lung situations. Ford was sitting right in the middle of that category. You know, it just meant\u2014yes, like you said, Ann\u2014just having to deal with the fear that came with realities. It reminds me of when people say, \u201cFaith is not the absence of fear.\u201d When we choose to trust the Lord, it doesn\u2019t mean all the fear is <em>gone<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> It\u2019s just giving that fear to the Lord and being honest with it. I think for us, even having to be honest with each other, like: \u201cMan, I\u2019m scared,\u201d \u201cSometimes, I feel really fearful.\u201d Or starting school again: we were at home for a while and getting back in school with COVID. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen this summer, Ford actually <em>got<\/em> COVID; and that was <em>definitely<\/em> very scary. We were actually in Colorado, and the altitude was affecting him. He was having a hard time breathing; but again, the Lord was so present and so faithful. Ford actually was much less fearful than we were; he did really well. After the first three or four days, he fought it off; and God really protected him. We are so thankful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I mean, I think we have to keep embracing often that God can handle our fear; He can handle our honesty. Actually, He invites us to come to Him like little children that He wants to comfort us. He wants to meet us in that place. He doesn\u2019t want us to <em>stay<\/em> in it,\u00a0 but He doesn\u2019t want us to hide it and try to deal with it on our own. He actually says, \u201cDavid and Meg, together as a couple, disclose that to one another and then bring it to Me: bring it to Me together and individually.\u201d It\u2019s the way to cultivate intimacy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just hear you talking, Meg, and I just go, \u201cYes, Ford didn\u2019t have that much fear in the COVID situation compared to us.\u201d We learn from him <em>all<\/em> the time. This kid teaches us <em>so<\/em> much; <em>all<\/em> of our kids teach us stuff. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> But he teaches us so much, day in and day out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> As parents, there are things that our kids are facing, or we\u2019re facing, that trouble us. I remember even when our son was diagnosed with ADHD. I can remember thinking and saying to God, \u201cI don\u2019t get it. What\u2019s the point? Why would this happen? It seems like he\u2019s struggling in school. It\u2019s affecting his identity and what he feels.\u201d I\u2019ve shared this before; but I thought, \u201cLord, I need an answer. I don\u2019t understand why You would do this.\u201d I said, \u201cI am going to fast and pray until I hear from You, Lord.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI start fasting\u2014you guys, I am on day 6\u2014like, \u201cUhhhh, I need an answer!\u201d; but I\u2019m determined. On day 7, I\u2019m just reading Scripture. This is the Scripture\u2014I had read this so often, because I read the Bible through every year\u2014but it is in Exodus 4:11 when God is talking to Moses. Moses is saying, \u201cI don\u2019t want to go and lead the people\u201d; and he keeps saying to God, \u201cNo; it\u2019s not me. Don\u2019t send me.\u201d The Lord says to him, \u201cWho gave human beings their mouths?\u201d\u2014because, remember, Moses is saying, \u201cI <em>can\u2019t<\/em> speak. I can\u2019t do this.\u201d Then God said, \u201cWho makes them deaf or mute? Who gives them sight or makes them blind? Is it not I the Lord?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had <em>never<\/em> considered that verse in terms of what our kids are dealing with, what I\u2019m dealing with\u2014my weaknesses\/my strengths\u2014or even my physical disabilities. I started thinking, \u201cLord, what does that mean?\u201d I felt like that\/that assurance of: \u201cGod knows what He is doing. He is not surprised\u201d; and not only that, but He can use these circumstances\u2014as you guys are saying\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014it has shaped you; it has shaped Ford. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven for our son, he is <em>amazing<\/em>; he is brilliant. I feel like he has taught <em>me<\/em> more, as I\u2019ve watched him deal with this, and figure it out on his own. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yet, I would add that I think it is harder for us, as parents\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014to deal with our kids\u2019 struggles than our own. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Meg:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It just\u2014it becomes your life; you love them so much\u2014and you\u2019d rather take it on yourself than watch them struggle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Dave, I think at Christmas\/I think that\u2019s why, sometimes, we are so sad at Christmas because, maybe, our kids are struggling. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019ll tell you what. Meg, when you were talking about Psalm 18:30, I thought, \u201cYou know, I haven\u2019t read that in a while. I wonder how it starts.\u201d I\u2019m sure you know this\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s one of my favorites. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014but man, you have lived out how it starts. David writes: \u201cI love You, Lord, my strength. The Lord is my rock, my fortress, and my deliverer. My God is my rock in whom I take refuge; my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just thought, \u201cWhat a <em>great<\/em> passage for any husband and wife\/any mom and dad, who maybe\u201d\u2014we know there are listeners right now, who are like, \u201cI\u2019m in that valley right now. I just got in the car, and I wept because I was just told by the doctor about me,\u201d or \u201c\u2026one of my kids,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> \u2014or \u201cfriend.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014or \u201cMy husband just said\u2026\u201d or \u201cMy wife\u2026\u201d\u2014there are so many valleys we walk through. You are a reminder of Psalm 18; you\u2019ve lived it out. The Lord is our strength. There is <em>no other strength<\/em>. You\u2019ll never find it, even in a good diagnosis; you\u2019re only going to find it in the Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say, \u201cMan, if you are struggling right now, read Psalm 18. Get on your knees, and say, \u2018God, You\u2019ve got to meet me right here\u2019\u201d; and He will. I mean, your story is a story of God met you; and actually, out of ashes, has brought <em>incredible<\/em>\u2014I can\u2019t\u2014I wonder what God is going to do with Ford. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I mean, what the future is going to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> It\u2019s funny you went to Moses; because when he was three-and-a-half, we were reading a kid\u2019s book around Moses leading the Israelites through the Red Sea. The application in this kid\u2019s book was: \u201cAnd God made a way for His people, and He will make a way for you.\u201d Ford asked, \u201cDo you think God will make a way for me?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> The title of the book was <em>Will You Make a Path for Me?<\/em> Ford turned to us and said, \u201cDo you think God will make a way for me?\u201d He even asked something about cystic fibrosis in that moment, and that became what we prayed for him: \u201cGod would You use his cystic fibrosis to make him see You more and show him that this is the path that You have made for him?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I just think our answer could be: \u201cYes, by faith,\u201d\u2014because of Christmas\/because of Jesus coming\u2014because He will come again\u2014and because of His commitment to His people to make a way for them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was thinking of Psalm 46 as I was listening to the Wilsons and the Robbins. The psalmist says that God is our refuge and our strength, our very present help in times of trouble. Martin Luther took that psalm and wrote the great hymn, <em>A Mighty Fortress Is Our God<\/em>. He is the rock on which our marriage, our family, our lives rest; and when the storms come\u2014and they will come\u2014if we\u2019re not attached to that rock, then we can expect to get tossed about; but when we are planted firmly on the rock, we can stand strong. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you find yourself facing a storm in your marriage or in your family, we want to recommend to you a book called <em>Together Through the Storms: Biblical Encouragement for Your Marriage When Life Hurts<\/em> by Jeff and Sarah Walton. We\u2019ve got copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can find out more when you go online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or order a copy of the book by calling 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the book is titled <em>Together Through the Storms<\/em>; order online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call to order: 1-800-358-6329; that is 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, we have David Robbins still with us here in the studio. David, let me pull you back into the conversation here. This is a critical time of year for us, here at FamilyLife. We\u2019re hoping <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners will stand with us and consider making a yearend contribution to support the ongoing work of the ministry of FamilyLife, here, at the end of 2021. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes, as we are nearing the end of December, we are watching generous partners give and donations coming in. It\u2019s <em>so<\/em> encouraging, but we are running behind where we need to be in order to meet the match that friends of FamilyLife have given so that your gift can be doubled and the impact of your gift could be doubled. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I think about the impact of what FamilyLife and <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> does, I think about Diane, who wrote you, Bob, recently. I just <em>loved<\/em> hearing what she told you. She said, \u201cI started listening to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> when my kids were babies. I was a fairly-new Christian, trying to figure out new ways of parenting and working to change broken patterns from the past.\u201d Then she keeps going, \u201cTherefore, I sought <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> out and many of the guests you\u2019ve had on to strengthen me in my faith walk, relationships, and parenting. I also found that, the more I learned, I was able to have healthy conversations with my husband; and we grew in our love for one another and in our marriage.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat is what we are about: growing in oneness with the Lord and oneness with one another in our home. Thank you for the ways that you can give today that can help more homes experience oneness with Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> David, you mentioned that, during the month of December, every donation one of our listeners makes is being matched, dollar for dollar. We\u2019ve got the matching-gift fund of $1.5 million. We\u2019ve already been hearing from listeners. Thank you to those of you who have gone online or called us and said: \u201cWe stand with you. We support what you are all about. You\u2019ve helped us in our marriage\/our family; and we want to stand with FamilyLife, going forward.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe need to hear from a lot more folks over the next few weeks. Today would be a great day for you to go online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY; make a yearend donation. Your donation is going to be matched, dollar for dollar; and we\u2019re going to send you a copy of Dane Ortlund\u2019s book, <em>In the Lord I Take Refuge<\/em>, a devotional book from the book of psalms, 150 devotions for the year ahead. That is our way of saying, \u201cThank you for your support, here, at yearend.\u201d We look forward to hearing from you and want to say, \u201cThanks,\u201d in advance, for partnering with us and helping us effectively develop godly marriages and families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you have a great weekend. Hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend. We hope you can join us on Monday when Jefferson Bethke is going to be here to talk about how we make family the priority it needs to be in the midst of a culture that is trying to pull us away and focus on other things. How do we take <em>back<\/em> our family? We\u2019ll hear from Jefferson Bethke about that on Monday. I hope you can join us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelping you pursue the relationships that matter most.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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We <em>forgot<\/em>!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It was <em>awful<\/em>; it was the <em>worst<\/em> Christmas <em>ever<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> They forgot us! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Christmas is coming up; and it can be a high, or it can be a low like that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This can be\u2014and statistically-speaking\u2014one of the hardest seasons; because of depression, expectations that aren\u2019t met. It can be really hard; because you are assuming everyone is having this <em>wonderful<\/em> Christmas, and you are alone. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe truth is\u2014this is one of the things I love about <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014is we are here for you, and you are <em>not<\/em> alone. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s a beautiful thing. We get to meet you right where you are, which is really Jesus meeting you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014right where you are. You know, I hope, as you come to the yearend and think about your life and the future, I hope you feel like, \u201cI need FamilyLife. God meets me through this broadcast.\u201d What you need to know is we need you as well, and we are inviting you to join us prayerfully, and even financially, to make a donation at yearend. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, and the great part is, at this time of year, every donation you make is going to be matched, dollar for dollar. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That means <em>doubled<\/em>, because of some generous donors who believe in this ministry, hopefully, the same way you do. We\u2019re inviting you: \u201cJoin us. This is the kind of help and hope we bring to your home and other homes as well.\u201d Man, we invite you to join and be our partners. Here is how you do it: just go to FamilyLifeToday.com, make a donation there; or you can call us at 1-800-FL-TODAY, and that money will go to impacting families all around the world. Let me say, \u201cThank you,\u201d because it really means a lot to us for you to be our partners. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got the president of FamilyLife, David Robbins, and his wife Meg with us. Guys, welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Good to be here, team. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Woo! We <em>love<\/em> having you guys! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We are glad to have you here, and David\u2019s the president of FamilyLife. We love it when we get to have you two in the studio, because we get to hear our president\u2019s perspective, not only on your life, but on the ministry of FamilyLife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet\u2019s talk about this: Christmas or holidays. You know we just had Thanksgiving; we\u2019re moving toward Christmas. Do you remember any seasons?\u2014Christmases? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Oh, my goodness! When you started to talk about that story, I immediately thought of our very first Christmas together, which by the way, that it so sad that you\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Isn\u2019t that sad?! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> That is sad; that\u2019s <em>hard<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> We\u2019re laughing but, also, crying inside. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Hey, Bob and Judy, if you are listening, we love you! They felt <em>so<\/em> bad. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> I feel sad for them too. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur first Christmas\u2014so we got married the week of Thanksgiving\u2014so we were on our honeymoon for Thanksgiving. Our pre-marriage counselor knew my family really well and knew\/he knew a lot about David\u2019s family. He said, \u201cYou know what? Your parents\u2014all of your parents love you a lot\u2014they are so awesome. They are very family-oriented; not everybody has this. But your challenge is going to be leaving and cleaving well\u2014you know, leaving in a healthy way\u2014that doesn\u2019t mean you cut your family off.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHis suggestion was: \u201cWhy don\u2019t you celebrate all of the first holidays on your own and kind of set some\u2014it doesn\u2019t mean you have to do it forever\u2014but just the first year.\u201d We were like, \u201cThat is such a good idea. We would never have thought of that.\u201d I was kind of thinking, \u201cThat sounds kind of sad, because Christmas with[out] family.\u201d But I\u2019m like, \u201cYou know what? We\u2019re creating our own family. This is great.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe just kind of mentioned to our\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Well, we mention; we tell; we <em>inform<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is what I\u2019m waiting for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> It wasn\u2019t really a discussion. We just kind of said, \u201cHey, our marriage counselor said this would be a good idea, so we\u2019re going to spend Christmas by <em>ourselves<\/em>.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> On Christmas Eve, we were with Meg\u2019s family\u2014which you have five siblings\u2014and it\u2019s raucous, and it\u2019s amazing. Christmas is a really big\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014deal, like it is for you, Ann. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Well, we were getting ready to <em>leave<\/em> to drive back home;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014on Christmas Eve. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> \u2014because we lived about an hour-and-a-half away. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m guessing everybody else is going to be together on Christmas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Pretty much the rest of my family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I\u2019m just picturing myself, reaching behind the tree for presents that are ours to pack them in the car; you know? [Laughter] We\u2019re making an ordeal; and at some point in that ordeal,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Somebody is like, \u201cWell, if you <em>weren\u2019t<\/em> leaving, this wouldn\u2019t be such a problem.\u201d Little comments start coming out. I\u2019m like, \u201cOh, they are not very happy about this\u201d; but I didn\u2019t know! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> They\u2019ve talked about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> They talked about it <em>a lot<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> They\u2019ve <em>all<\/em> talked about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> They tell their peace. We\u2019re mulling over what we are doing. We decide, \u201cLet\u2019s\u2026\u201d \u201cThey\u2019re going to do it,\u201d\u2014they\u2019re like\u2014\u201cNope! You\u2019re going to do it; you are going to do it.\u201d We were willing to stay; they were like, \u201cNo, get in the car.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> We were like, \u201cLet\u2019s just <em>stay<\/em>.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> So we pack up all of our presents from everybody, and we set out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> We get in the car; and we get about a mile down the road, and the car dies. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014a mile away. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> No way! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Totally dies. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Totally dies. We call home; and we\u2019re like, \u201cOkay, so little bit of a problem. [Laughter] Our car died.\u201d We\u2019re all just dying, laughing at this point. They were like, \u201cNo, we\u2019re going to bring you our car. You can take it and bring it back.\u201d We were like, \u201cNo, this must be the Lord saying, \u2018Stay here\u2019\u201d; so we did stay. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> The first Christmas was with <em>her<\/em> family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, there is something\u2014we all know the holidays sort of bring out sort of highs and lows; it can often be a really stressful time for families going through this stuff\u2014I mean, that\u2019s <em>hilarious<\/em>. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That is funny. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That is just hilarious. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet\u2019s talk about seasons of\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014when it\u2019s hard. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014struggle; you know, when it\u2019s hard. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Our first baby is a story of <em>totally<\/em> different expectations. When he came, he was an <em>amazing<\/em> gift to us. God created Him exactly like He intended to create him and shaped him in Meg\u2019s womb; but he was created with a genetic disease called cystic fibrosis that effects multiple things, including lungs, and reproductive system, and digestive system. It\u2019s a full-orbed thing that sent us into a trusting season, combined with: \u201cOur whole life is about to change\u201d; you know? Everything changes with a birth of this kid, [whom] God has gifted us with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Do you remember when you found out? I mean, was it early in the pregnancy? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> It was at the 20-week ultrasound. We went, just assuming regular scan; you will see all the things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> We had a miscarriage before\u2014just a year before\u2014so: \u201cAlright, we made it to the 20-week mark. Chances are better.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You\u2019re hopes are getting high. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Yes, very true; because the first few ultrasounds had been nerve-wrecking. This one felt like, \u201cOkay, we\u2019re at the middle; this feels a lot better.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe could just tell by looking at the ultrasound tech\u2019s face that something wasn\u2019t quite right; but our doctor came in and just said, \u201cYou know, we see something that isn\u2019t exactly what we expected to see. It\u2019s called echogenic bowel. Something in his stomach is more solid than it should be, and this could be\u201d\u2014listed off five things\u2014\u201cno big deal. There is a small chance it could be a symptom of cystic fibrosis.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had to be tested if I was a carrier; and then, David would have to be tested. I just remember getting in the car that day\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> We got into separate cars,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> We did,\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014because we drove separately. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> \u2014we had driven separately. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wait! Take us <em>back<\/em>. David, were you in there for the ultrasound? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; was there, totally. I remember when cystic fibrosis was mentioned. The only context I had, Dave, was Boomer Esiason\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014the great quarterback, whose son had cystic fibrosis. I was like, \u201cI\u2019ve heard of that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Did you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> When we had been there before, just a year earlier;\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, with the miscarriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014but then, this one was different. It was a flood of: \u201cWhat is it?\u201d There was a mystery involved instead of a finality involved, where you had to process grief. There was a shifting of expectations and mystery. We didn\u2019t\/like we just kind of looked at each other, \u201cOkay; Meg is going to get tested\/bloodwork done\u201d; but I remember us getting into separate cars. That\u2019s when it kind of hit for both of us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Yes; I remember getting in the car. It was like the Lord just whispered to my heart, \u201cI don\u2019t make mistakes.\u201d It reminded me of\u2014actually, a year before\u2014we had been at a conference. Some sweet friends, Brad and Anya Hopp, had been sharing about a pregnancy that they had that their child didn\u2019t seem to have any brain matter. They had been told: \u201cYou need to abort this baby.\u201d They were in another country at the time. They just really felt like, \u201cWell, we\u2019re <em>not<\/em> going to do that. We really believe God has written a story for our child.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe went on to share that God had put on her heart Psalm 18:30: \u201cAs for God, His way is perfect.\u201d Their child went on to be born. She is still living to this day\u2014and that was\u2014I mean, I think she is probably about 18; maybe older now. She does have complications, but she brings so much joy to their family. As I sat in the car, the Lord just reminded me of that verse, Psalm 18:30: \u201cAs for God, His way is perfect.\u201d I just felt the Lord give me this sense of confidence that He was making Ford exactly the way He wanted to make him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was scary; and the next several weeks of getting tested\u2014and we\u2019re both carriers\u2014and realizing, \u201cOkay, probably, this baby is going to have CF.\u201d There were many ups and downs, and have been through the years; but I feel like the Lord just kind of whispered that to me, from the beginning, to let me trust that this part of His plan and start of the story that He is writing for Ford and for our family and be able to cling to that when things got really hard and scary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> For me, I remember it was the <em>next<\/em> day, walking to work, and just a verse coming to my mind about how God numbers our days and just kind of felt the Lord\u2019s promptings of there is no shortened life. He numbers every one of our days. In the \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t24 hours I had been processing, it was a lot around challenges we may face while he is alive; but how long will he live? God met me right in that moment of: \u201cHe numbers our days. There is no shortened life; enjoy every day you get.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve had to trust in that; but yet, those were two\u2014out of twenty-four hours out of the gate\u2014the Lord really spoke to us in specific ways. That\u2019s been a foundation to build on as we keep trusting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think, as parents, fear and worry are two components that are <em>always<\/em> at the forefront of our minds. We can worry; we can be fearful. That could just dominate your feelings. And you\u2019re saying that\/was it a <em>constant<\/em> surrender? Because now, Ford is how old?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> He is 15, has his driver\u2019s permit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, boy! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> And he is <em>thriving<\/em>. I mean, it is <em>so<\/em> encouraging. He does a lot of unseen things that most people\u2014if you meet him, you wouldn\u2019t even know that he has anything going on; but\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What do you mean he does unseen\u2026 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> He has an hour-and-a-half, at least, of treatments that he does every day. He is the first one awake in our house\u2014very rarely\u2014I mean, God has given him this gift of waking himself up; I\u2019m very rarely having to go wake him up. He\u2019s up a little bit before me, doing his treatment and the vest that shakes up mucous in his lungs. He has to do a lot of unseen things; and he takes\u2014what?\u201432 pills a day; is that the current? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> About; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> That allows him to digest food. Yet, those things, along with a few breakthroughs that have happened medically in the cystic fibrosis community\u2014that\u2019s a really big deal\u2014has him thriving currently. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have had to trust through unknowns. Even moving to a major city like New York City: \u201cWill the smog affect him? But God, we have sensed Your call.\u201d There have been inflection points of trust. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, even with COVID\/with this pandemic\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014that is scary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> That was <em>very<\/em> scary, especially in the beginning; I mean, when we didn\u2019t know anything about it. All we knew was this is super dangerous for anyone with complicated lung situations. Ford was sitting right in the middle of that category. You know, it just meant\u2014yes, like you said, Ann\u2014just having to deal with the fear that came with realities. It reminds me of when people say, \u201cFaith is not the absence of fear.\u201d When we choose to trust the Lord, it doesn\u2019t mean all the fear is <em>gone<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> It\u2019s just giving that fear to the Lord and being honest with it. I think for us, even having to be honest with each other, like: \u201cMan, I\u2019m scared,\u201d \u201cSometimes, I feel really fearful.\u201d Or starting school again: we were at home for a while and getting back in school with COVID. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen this summer, Ford actually <em>got<\/em> COVID; and that was <em>definitely<\/em> very scary. We were actually in Colorado, and the altitude was affecting him. He was having a hard time breathing; but again, the Lord was so present and so faithful. Ford actually was much less fearful than we were; he did really well. After the first three or four days, he fought it off; and God really protected him. We are so thankful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I mean, I think we have to keep embracing often that God can handle our fear; He can handle our honesty. Actually, He invites us to come to Him like little children that He wants to comfort us. He wants to meet us in that place. He doesn\u2019t want us to <em>stay<\/em> in it,\u00a0 but He doesn\u2019t want us to hide it and try to deal with it on our own. He actually says, \u201cDavid and Meg, together as a couple, disclose that to one another and then bring it to Me: bring it to Me together and individually.\u201d It\u2019s the way to cultivate intimacy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just hear you talking, Meg, and I just go, \u201cYes, Ford didn\u2019t have that much fear in the COVID situation compared to us.\u201d We learn from him <em>all<\/em> the time. This kid teaches us <em>so<\/em> much; <em>all<\/em> of our kids teach us stuff. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> But he teaches us so much, day in and day out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> As parents, there are things that our kids are facing, or we\u2019re facing, that trouble us. I remember even when our son was diagnosed with ADHD. I can remember thinking and saying to God, \u201cI don\u2019t get it. What\u2019s the point? Why would this happen? It seems like he\u2019s struggling in school. It\u2019s affecting his identity and what he feels.\u201d I\u2019ve shared this before; but I thought, \u201cLord, I need an answer. I don\u2019t understand why You would do this.\u201d I said, \u201cI am going to fast and pray until I hear from You, Lord.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI start fasting\u2014you guys, I am on day 6\u2014like, \u201cUhhhh, I need an answer!\u201d; but I\u2019m determined. On day 7, I\u2019m just reading Scripture. This is the Scripture\u2014I had read this so often, because I read the Bible through every year\u2014but it is in Exodus 4:11 when God is talking to Moses. Moses is saying, \u201cI don\u2019t want to go and lead the people\u201d; and he keeps saying to God, \u201cNo; it\u2019s not me. Don\u2019t send me.\u201d The Lord says to him, \u201cWho gave human beings their mouths?\u201d\u2014because, remember, Moses is saying, \u201cI <em>can\u2019t<\/em> speak. I can\u2019t do this.\u201d Then God said, \u201cWho makes them deaf or mute? Who gives them sight or makes them blind? Is it not I the Lord?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had <em>never<\/em> considered that verse in terms of what our kids are dealing with, what I\u2019m dealing with\u2014my weaknesses\/my strengths\u2014or even my physical disabilities. I started thinking, \u201cLord, what does that mean?\u201d I felt like that\/that assurance of: \u201cGod knows what He is doing. He is not surprised\u201d; and not only that, but He can use these circumstances\u2014as you guys are saying\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014it has shaped you; it has shaped Ford. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven for our son, he is <em>amazing<\/em>; he is brilliant. I feel like he has taught <em>me<\/em> more, as I\u2019ve watched him deal with this, and figure it out on his own. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yet, I would add that I think it is harder for us, as parents\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014to deal with our kids\u2019 struggles than our own. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Meg:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It just\u2014it becomes your life; you love them so much\u2014and you\u2019d rather take it on yourself than watch them struggle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Dave, I think at Christmas\/I think that\u2019s why, sometimes, we are so sad at Christmas because, maybe, our kids are struggling. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019ll tell you what. Meg, when you were talking about Psalm 18:30, I thought, \u201cYou know, I haven\u2019t read that in a while. I wonder how it starts.\u201d I\u2019m sure you know this\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s one of my favorites. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014but man, you have lived out how it starts. David writes: \u201cI love You, Lord, my strength. The Lord is my rock, my fortress, and my deliverer. My God is my rock in whom I take refuge; my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just thought, \u201cWhat a <em>great<\/em> passage for any husband and wife\/any mom and dad, who maybe\u201d\u2014we know there are listeners right now, who are like, \u201cI\u2019m in that valley right now. I just got in the car, and I wept because I was just told by the doctor about me,\u201d or \u201c\u2026one of my kids,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> \u2014or \u201cfriend.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014or \u201cMy husband just said\u2026\u201d or \u201cMy wife\u2026\u201d\u2014there are so many valleys we walk through. You are a reminder of Psalm 18; you\u2019ve lived it out. The Lord is our strength. There is <em>no other strength<\/em>. You\u2019ll never find it, even in a good diagnosis; you\u2019re only going to find it in the Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say, \u201cMan, if you are struggling right now, read Psalm 18. Get on your knees, and say, \u2018God, You\u2019ve got to meet me right here\u2019\u201d; and He will. I mean, your story is a story of God met you; and actually, out of ashes, has brought <em>incredible<\/em>\u2014I can\u2019t\u2014I wonder what God is going to do with Ford. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I mean, what the future is going to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> It\u2019s funny you went to Moses; because when he was three-and-a-half, we were reading a kid\u2019s book around Moses leading the Israelites through the Red Sea. The application in this kid\u2019s book was: \u201cAnd God made a way for His people, and He will make a way for you.\u201d Ford asked, \u201cDo you think God will make a way for me?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Meg:<\/strong> The title of the book was <em>Will You Make a Path for Me?<\/em> Ford turned to us and said, \u201cDo you think God will make a way for me?\u201d He even asked something about cystic fibrosis in that moment, and that became what we prayed for him: \u201cGod would You use his cystic fibrosis to make him see You more and show him that this is the path that You have made for him?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I just think our answer could be: \u201cYes, by faith,\u201d\u2014because of Christmas\/because of Jesus coming\u2014because He will come again\u2014and because of His commitment to His people to make a way for them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was thinking of Psalm 46 as I was listening to the Wilsons and the Robbins. The psalmist says that God is our refuge and our strength, our very present help in times of trouble. Martin Luther took that psalm and wrote the great hymn, <em>A Mighty Fortress Is Our God<\/em>. He is the rock on which our marriage, our family, our lives rest; and when the storms come\u2014and they will come\u2014if we\u2019re not attached to that rock, then we can expect to get tossed about; but when we are planted firmly on the rock, we can stand strong. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you find yourself facing a storm in your marriage or in your family, we want to recommend to you a book called <em>Together Through the Storms: Biblical Encouragement for Your Marriage When Life Hurts<\/em> by Jeff and Sarah Walton. We\u2019ve got copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can find out more when you go online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or order a copy of the book by calling 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the book is titled <em>Together Through the Storms<\/em>; order online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call to order: 1-800-358-6329; that is 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, we have David Robbins still with us here in the studio. David, let me pull you back into the conversation here. This is a critical time of year for us, here at FamilyLife. We\u2019re hoping <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners will stand with us and consider making a yearend contribution to support the ongoing work of the ministry of FamilyLife, here, at the end of 2021. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes, as we are nearing the end of December, we are watching generous partners give and donations coming in. It\u2019s <em>so<\/em> encouraging, but we are running behind where we need to be in order to meet the match that friends of FamilyLife have given so that your gift can be doubled and the impact of your gift could be doubled. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I think about the impact of what FamilyLife and <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> does, I think about Diane, who wrote you, Bob, recently. I just <em>loved<\/em> hearing what she told you. She said, \u201cI started listening to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> when my kids were babies. I was a fairly-new Christian, trying to figure out new ways of parenting and working to change broken patterns from the past.\u201d Then she keeps going, \u201cTherefore, I sought <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> out and many of the guests you\u2019ve had on to strengthen me in my faith walk, relationships, and parenting. I also found that, the more I learned, I was able to have healthy conversations with my husband; and we grew in our love for one another and in our marriage.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat is what we are about: growing in oneness with the Lord and oneness with one another in our home. Thank you for the ways that you can give today that can help more homes experience oneness with Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> David, you mentioned that, during the month of December, every donation one of our listeners makes is being matched, dollar for dollar. We\u2019ve got the matching-gift fund of $1.5 million. We\u2019ve already been hearing from listeners. Thank you to those of you who have gone online or called us and said: \u201cWe stand with you. We support what you are all about. You\u2019ve helped us in our marriage\/our family; and we want to stand with FamilyLife, going forward.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe need to hear from a lot more folks over the next few weeks. Today would be a great day for you to go online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY; make a yearend donation. Your donation is going to be matched, dollar for dollar; and we\u2019re going to send you a copy of Dane Ortlund\u2019s book, <em>In the Lord I Take Refuge<\/em>, a devotional book from the book of psalms, 150 devotions for the year ahead. That is our way of saying, \u201cThank you for your support, here, at yearend.\u201d We look forward to hearing from you and want to say, \u201cThanks,\u201d in advance, for partnering with us and helping us effectively develop godly marriages and families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you have a great weekend. Hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend. 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