{"id":307291,"date":"2021-11-09T13:01:11","date_gmt":"2021-11-09T18:01:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/loving-others-who-believe-differently\/"},"modified":"2021-11-09T13:01:11","modified_gmt":"2021-11-09T18:01:11","slug":"loving-others-who-believe-differently","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/loving-others-who-believe-differently\/","title":{"rendered":"Loving Others Who Believe Differently"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It is good to ask questions and to even disagree at times. 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We were on staff, full time, with Athletes in Action; we were at the University of Nebraska. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You\u2019re just reminding me of where we were. I remember all of this; I don\u2019t remember very many good things about our first year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Do you remember this though? You are sitting on the couch, and I come down. You seemed really deep in thought; and I say, \u201cHey, what\u2019s up?!\u201d You have your Bible in your lap; and you say, \u201cI don\u2019t know if any of this is true.\u201d I said, \u201cWhat? What are you talking about?\u201d He goes, \u201cWhat if <em>none<\/em> of this is true? What if Jesus really wasn\u2019t who He said He was? What if He didn\u2019t rise from the dead? What if <em>none<\/em> of it\u2019s true?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I remember that distinctly, because you had a look of fear on your face. I mean, you were <em>shocked<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I said, \u201cThese are the questions you are asking now?! We\u2019ve kind of given our lives to this work.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, I remember we were almost three years into my Christian walk; and it just hit me. We had given our life to Christ\u2014but now, our <em>vocation<\/em> full time\u2014I\u2019m like, \u201cWe could make a lot more money doing other things.\u201d [Laughter] I just remember it started to hit me; and I remember thinking, \u201cI don\u2019t know if this is even true. If this isn\u2019t true, I\u2019ve got to find out.\u201d I remember, because that\u2019s what you said. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; I said, \u201cYou better find out for yourself what you are thinking.\u201d I really didn\u2019t have problems with believing, but you were more skeptical in nature. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, and I did; I went on a journey. There were questions that I needed to ask, and there were questions that I needed to get answers for. Guess what?\u2014I got the answers that did <em>prove<\/em>\u2014I needed some help; I needed some evidence, and there were some great tools. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we\u2019ve got a great tool today for <em>teens<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We are excited to have Rebecca McLaughlin back with us today. Welcome Rebecca. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Thanks for having me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Your [newest] book is really written to teens\u2014but it\u2019s part of a book you wrote to adults, a few years back, <em>Confronting Christianity<\/em>\u2014it\u2019s really full of the questions that I had to wrestle with. You\u2019re saying, \u201cTeenagers need to wrestle with this\u201d; it\u2019s called \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>10 Questions Every Teen Should Ask (and Answer) about Christianity<\/em>. Obviously, you believe it\u2019s <em>good<\/em> to ask questions\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> I do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014<em>and<\/em> get answers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> There <em>are<\/em> answers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got to tell you, as I read it, I found it just so well-written. I mean, I haven\u2019t read <em>Confronting Christianity<\/em>; I want to know: \u201cDid you use <em>Moana<\/em> and <em>Aladdin<\/em> and <em>Harry Potter<\/em> in <em>Confronting Christianity<\/em>? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> I used a lot of <em>Harry Potter<\/em> but no <em>Moana<\/em> and no <em>Aladdin<\/em>;\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> \u2014so yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I mean, you are writing to a younger audience. Man, you talk about <em>grabbing<\/em> their hearts and <em>grabbing<\/em> their imaginations, it was so well done. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere is your background\u2014I mean, you can tell us a little bit more about this, because I don\u2019t know what a degree\u2014I know what a PhD is\u2014but in Renaissance Literature from Cambridge\u2014what is that? Is that Shakespeare? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> For me, it was Shakespeare. It was three years of writing about prisons in Shakespeare. It was fun. [Laughter] I haven\u2019t used it a whole lot since. [Laughter] Although I will say, as I write, I love understanding things by hearing them. When I write, I mostly hear what I\u2019m writing and see if the rhythm feels good to me. I think the only reason I know whether it does or not is because of all the years I spent with Shakespeare. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere is the thing: when I was wrestling through my\u2014you can call it a crisis of faith or whatever\u2014but it was a <em>great<\/em> journey. It was pretty exciting for me to dig into\u2014again, it was a couple years after I\u2019ve already committed to Christ; but that\u2019s okay\u2014because it\u2019s like, \u201cI\u2019m going to dig in.\u201d I was looking for evidence; I wanted to prove that Jesus lived, died, rose from the dead. You know, I\u2019m reading books like <em>Evidence That Demands a Verdict<\/em> and <em>The Case for Christ<\/em> and different things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Are those] the questions our teens are asking <em>today<\/em>? Has apologetics or defending the faith <em>changed<\/em> in 30 or 40 years? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, and are they asking the same questions?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The generation today\u2014it feels different\u2014is it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Yes, I think it\u2019s changed a lot, not because those questions don\u2019t still matter\u2014we do still need to know: \u201cCan we trust the Gospels?\u201d \u201cIs Jesus who He claimed\u201d\/like: \u201cIs there any evidence that Jesus even existed?\u201d\u2014or all of these things\u2014but the questions that are front and center to people today aren\u2019t anything to do with \u201cDid Jesus rise from the dead?\u201d or \u201cIs the Bible authoritative?\u201d or even \u201cHas science disproved Christianity?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey are: \u201cIsn\u2019t Christianity homophobic?\u201d \u201cIsn\u2019t Christianity against diversity?\u201d \u201cAren\u2019t Christians racist?\u201d \u201cIsn\u2019t this just like a white-centered, Western worldview that we are trying to impose on other people?\u201d\u2014those kinds of questions. The moral questions, really,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> \u2014are front and center for people. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think one of the transitions that folks may have been aware of as they go from being the teenager or the young adult, who was grappling themselves, to being the parent now, raising teens\u2014is that, whereas 20 or some odd years ago, maybe, depending on where you lived in the US; but certainly, where my husband grew up in Oklahoma for example\u2014he said that, even if people didn\u2019t go to church, they respected the fact that he did. It was kind of considered like you had a little bit of a moral high ground\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> \u2014if you were a Christian who went to church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tToday, in most parts of the country at least, if you are a Christian who goes to church, and really believes these things, you kind of have a moral low ground. People see you, not just as sort of deluded and foolish, but actually as <em>immoral<\/em> in a lot of spaces. That\u2019s <em>really<\/em>, I think, where the main front is for us now and where we need to both grapple with the questions for ourselves but, also, help our kids to navigate those questions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, I do know that in the \u201890s\u2014we started our church in 1990\u2014it was\/you were respected when you used the title, \u201cpastor\u201d: \u201cOh, what do you do?\u201d \u201cI\u2019m a pastor.\u201d \u201cOh, that\u2019s nice.\u201d <em>Now<\/em>: \u201cYou\u2019re a pastor?\u201d\u2014it\u2019s almost like you\u2019re afraid to <em>say<\/em> it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, you\u2019re judged. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> There are beliefs about you, if you call yourself a Christian, that may not be anywhere near true; but [those] are some of the questions we\u2019ve got to answer. Yet, in your book, you still go after some of the questions I had to answer in the \u201870s and \u201880s; because they <em>still<\/em> are really important questions; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Yes, absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Let\u2019s talk about some of those. One of them\u2014third chapter: \u201cCan Jesus Be True for You But Not for Me?\u201d Talk about that a little bit, because that is an important question for a teenager <em>or<\/em> an adult. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think, as you talk about it, think about the parents that are listening. They are wanting to know how they can answer these questions with their kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> There is a popular story that is often told to help people supposedly understand the different world religions; because people will say: \u201cThere are so many religions out there. It\u2019s fine if Christianity is true for you, and it works for you\u2014it fits with your cultural background\u2014but you can\u2019t possibly say it\u2019s true, regardless of where you come from or what your background is. It\u2019s actually really offensive to say, for example, that Hindus are just mistaken in their beliefs and that <em>they<\/em> would need to, in fact, convert to become followers of Jesus.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPeople will sometimes tell this story of like an elephant that walked into a village of blind people. Different people came up to the elephant and felt different parts of it. One guy felt the leg and said, \u201cOh, this elephant is like a tree.\u201d Somebody else felt the ear and said, \u201cNo, no, no; it\u2019s not like a tree; it\u2019s like a fan.\u201d Someone else felt a tusk and said, \u201cNo, no, no; it\u2019s not like a tree or a fan; it\u2019s like a spear.\u201d People tell that story to say really the different world religions are all kind of grasping at different truths about God; and really, if we could see the full picture, we\u2019d see there wasn\u2019t real contradiction between these different beliefs. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, that seems, at first, to be a really kind of humble attitude\u2014to say, \u201cMy religion doesn\u2019t contain all the truth there is to know; so maybe, we have to take truth from different places.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut if you think about it, the story is told from the perspective of someone who can see the whole elephant. [Laughter] It\u2019s actually kind of condescending to say: \u201cAll you different religious people, with your little ideas about God, are like blind people kind of trying to figure out what an elephant is.\u201d I think the more we work through this mentality people have about saying: \u201cYou can\u2019t possibly say that one religion is true and that others aren\u2019t,\u201d the more what felt like it was maybe very respectful in the first place actually becomes disrespectful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think we most respect our Muslim friend or neighbor, for example, by being real about the fact that they believe different things than we do; and to say, \u201cDo you know both of us are making real claims about God?\u201d There is some overlap\u2014our Muslim friends would also believe that God created everything; certainly, there is some overlap\u2014there are <em>massively<\/em> important differences. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you look even just at the three religions in the world that are closest to each other\u2014actually, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism\u2014at least, all believe there is one Creator God and share some of the Old Testament Scriptures. If we look at what people of those three different beliefs say about Jesus: Christians say that Jesus died and was raised from the dead; Muslims say that Jesus didn\u2019t really die on the cross but that He just seemed to, and He was just taken into heaven: Jews\u2014and for that matter Hindus, Buddhists, and atheists, and agnostics\u2014say that Jesus died and was not raised from the dead. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we may not be able to go back 2,000 years with a video camera and kind of see exactly what happened in the tomb; but those three explanations are incompatible. It cannot be the case that each of those are all correct. So we are not being respectful, if we say: \u201cWell, all of these different religions\u2014even the most sort of similar ones in some ways\u2014are really saying the same thing,\u201d because they are not. This isn\u2019t just kind of detail on the edge of a religion. This is the absolute central claim of the Christian faith; without which, Christianity is dead in the water; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> I think, as we walk through these questions\u2014you know, both for ourselves and with our kids\u2014we need to help to make the distinction between being disrespectful in our attitude and our manner toward somebody, which isn\u2019t something that Jesus calls us to at all; actually, He calls us to always be loving, especially to those who are different from us. Peter said we should always be ready to give a reason for the hope that we have; but to do so with gentleness and respect. That should very much be our posture\u2014love, gentleness, and respect\u2014but at the same, making very clear that we do believe different things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe know, in different spheres of life, it\u2019s not the case that your truth can just be your truth and mine can just be mine. That\u2019s fine if it\u2019s like whose cooking is best: I\u2019m sure your wife cooks better than my husband in your eyes; and I\u2019m sure my husband cooks better than your wife in mine. But when it comes to matters of more universal truth\u2014matters of history, whether something happened or not\u2014whether it is in our own lives or in broader history, and that\u2019s truly relevant to today\u2014we all know that we can\u2019t just say: \u201cIt\u2019s fine if you think the Holocaust didn\u2019t happen\u2014that can be your truth\u2014but my truth is that it did.\u201d No; we know that that\u2019s not okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think we need to help people see that actually there is no special category of religious truth that makes it something that could be true for you and not for me. Actually, Christianity, in particular, is making very real historical claims that are either true or false. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You are an evangelist in my eyes, because you basically have been sharing Christ with your friends. One of the reasons you have written some of your books is to share Christ with your friends and just showing them what you believe. As we talk about that, what would you say to your friends about this point? I bet you\u2019ve had a lot of great conversations about this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> I think one of the really helpful things to bring up actually\u2014again, with our kids or with friends is\u2014far from being a primarily white Western religion, Christianity has always been, from the Scriptures onwards, a multiracial, multiethnic, multicultural movement. Actually, today, Christianity is the largest global belief system\u2014and it is the most diverse, whether you are looking at race, or geography, or culture\u2014in all of the respects that you could look.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Do you think most people are aware of that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think they are;\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I don\u2019t either. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> \u2014I really don\u2019t. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it just changes the framework in which a lot of people think about this question, in particular actually; because once you realize that there are soon going to be more Christians in China than in America; or when you realize that, by 2060, experts think that 40 percent of the world\u2019s Christians will be living in sub-Saharan Africa; or when you realize that actually, from literal day one of the church at Pentecost as we see in the book of Acts, we see the Spirit poured out, and then people from all these different countries\u2014including places like Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Egypt to Libya coming to put their trust in Jesus that day\u2014we realize Christianity\u2014sure, it\u2019s shaped West whites, European folk like me, and sort of the white European West; but we don\u2019t own it. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> It\u2019s been around the world, from the get-go\u2014and increasingly so today\u2014is a multiethnic, multicultural, multiracial faith. Actually, the demographic, globally, that is where Christianity is declining is white Western men. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> How is it that we don\u2019t know this? The general population thinks it is a white more European-centered religion. Where is that coming from? I don\u2019t think it\u2019s just in America that we think that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Yes, I think part of it is just that\u2014even in the last 40 years\u2014sociologists of religion have kind of studied religion. They used to think Christianity was just going to decline; because as the world becomes more modern, and more educated, and more scientific, religious belief naturally declines. Because that is what had happened in Western Europe, they thought the rest of the world would follow on. They really weren\u2019t paying as much attention to the <em>growth<\/em> of Christianity across the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut actually, in the last 40 years, what we\u2019ve seen is an increasing diversification of folks, who are putting their trust in Jesus. They\u2019re expecting that, in the next 40 years, Christianity is going to continue to be the world\u2019s largest religion and the most diverse. It\u2019s going to increase slightly globally rather than decreasing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor too long\u2014I think this is true honestly, both in my country, the UK and in America\u2014there has been this sort of marrying together, in people\u2019s minds, of Christianity with sort of a white-centered nationalism. That is not something we see in the Bible at all; it\u2019s almost absurd from a biblical perspective. We\u2019re late-comers to the Christian family, from the Bible\u2019s perspective; but it also it just doesn\u2019t align with the reality of the church today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, the truth is\u2014as you say all of this\u2014and you have a chapter about Christianity and diversity, it\u2019s not known. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> As you answer this question, and you write about it to help teens answer this question, this needs to be known and understood, not only for our own faith, but as we seek to share our faith with others. These are truths we <em>have<\/em> to have so that, when they do have questions or push back against it, we can answer like you just did. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Yes; I mean, I think a lot of kids today have become very disillusioned with Christianity; because of their history with racism in the white church in America. I understand that. I think there are real things to grieve, and lament, and repent of there. I think what the\/information that those kids are missing is that God has been growing the black church in America for centuries. Actually, rather than if we only align Christianity in our minds with sort of the white Christian slaveholder, or the white Christian segregationists, we are actually <em>ignoring<\/em> the voices of the millions of black Christians that God has raised up through the centuries down to today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; and it is interesting\u2014again, I can feel it in your book and the way you answer, even in this interview, your gentleness and respect, which is so key\u2014as we are interacting with people that are on a journey toward faith, and maybe don\u2019t believe what we do, it\u2019s like we are not answering their questions; we are answering a <em>person<\/em> with gentleness and respect. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll never forget one time, early in the beginning of our church, I made a comment in a sermon\u2014something like\/it was early \u201890s. I don\u2019t remember\u2014but I got confronted by somebody\u2014and that\u2019s why I remember. I said something to the effect of\u2014making a comment about a Muslim or someone who would be of the Islamic faith\u2014and I was trying to debate different things; and I said, \u201cCan you imagine somebody actually believes that?\u201d and just went on; right?\u2014just a flippant little comment, and just went on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis young man came up to me, right after, and waited patiently. He says, \u201cHey, dude,\u201d\u2014and I knew him; so he was part of our arts team; so we had a little bit of a relationship\u2014but he said, \u201cHey, Dave, I just wanted to make a comment on something you said in your sermon.\u201d I\u2019m thinking, \u201cOh, this is going to be a good thing.\u201d He goes, \u201cYou made this comment that: \u2018I can\u2019t believe somebody would\/how could they believe that?\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe goes, \u201cMy mom is a Muslim, and I think she\u2019s coming next week to church. That comment\/it just destroys her as a person. She is not less than you, because she believes something else. Please, don\u2019t make a comment like that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was like, \u201cThank you; that is so true. I need to hear that.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s the <em>attitude<\/em> part\u2014right?\u2014it\u2019s like I\u2019m making a flippant comment, like totally dissing somebody, who is made in the image of God, who has a different belief than I do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Let\u2019s be real. We believe crazy things. [Laughter] We believe that a first century Jewish man died on a cross and was supposedly raised from the dead three days later; like that is crazy! The thing is, the more that I have read, and learned from atheists and agnostic authors, and thinkers today: \u201cWe are not choosing between Christianity, with all its crazy beliefs, and a perfectly coherent kind of secular worldview, that does all the things that Christianity does, but without having to believe the crazy stuff. We are choosing between Christianity and utter incoherence.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, I think, too, the way we talk about other people\u2014other religions, other beliefs\u2014is critical for us in the home. I mean, you are on the stage at a church; but what are we saying around our dinner table, and how are we viewing people, and how do our tones come across or our biases come across? I think\u2014as parents\/as followers of Christ\u2014we need to be loving; because as we watched Jesus encounter various people of all different kinds of faith, He is <em>loving<\/em>. He sees them; He speaks to them; He acknowledges them; He acknowledges their pain; and He <em>loves<\/em> them. Don\u2019t we all want that? I don\u2019t care what your background is; we all want that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> As we know, He is also full of truth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So He is full of grace and truth. He isn\u2019t withholding or hiding the truth; He is blatantly speaking, \u201cThis is the truth\u201d; but He is doing it with such a grace package. It\u2019s appealing; we should be <em>that<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> And we see it modeled, as well, by Paul actually, who often has a bad reputation in minds; because I don\u2019t think we read Paul all that carefully sometimes. I <em>love<\/em> what he says in his first letter to Timothy, where he says, \u201cThis is a trustworthy saying, worthy of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the foremost.\u201d I think we <em>so<\/em> quickly forget that as Christians; we so quickly start thinking we\u2019re on some sort of moral high ground, looking down on all those sinners out there, or all those foolish people, who believe other things, and don\u2019t know who Jesus is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNo, no, no. We\u2019re the people who, as Paul puts it for himself, it\u2019s such an evidence of God\u2019s grace that He would send Jesus to save someone like him, even as bad as Paul. We are the <em>foremost<\/em> sinners; we are probably the worst sinners we know. We need to have <em>that<\/em> posture always as we come to our non-Christian friends. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> As you are with your three kids, and you\u2019re talking, what is your dialogue about these kinds of conversations or people of different faith or beliefs? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s great. My kids are all\u2014well, my older kids\u2014who are in school, are in a public school in Cambridge, Massachusetts. One of the delightful things is that they get to learn alongside people who come from all sorts of different parts of the world. Sometimes, that means they are encountering Christians from Ethiopia, and Eritrea, and other parts of Africa and China, et cetera. Sometimes, it means they are rubbing shoulders with Muslims, or Hindus, or people from a whole range of different faith backgrounds. They have the privilege, I think, of growing up, knowing real people who believe very different things from them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I like that you call it a privilege; I think that is important. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> It really is. It\u2019s an opportunity for them to learn, in real time, that God\u2019s people transcend any racial, cultural, or national barrier from their Christian friends from all over the world; and to learn to love people\u2014and not just sort of have this idea in their mind of: \u201cWhat is a Muslim like?\u201d or \u201cWhat is a Hindu like?\u201d or \u201cWhat is a Jewish person like?\u201d\u2014but actually, to know and love people, from the ground up, who believe very different things from them or whose families do; and to some extent, having that passed onto them as we\u2019ll know, often, people growing up in religious homes, not actually learning a whole lot about their religious tradition. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYes; I try to talk to my kids, from the ground up, about these questions, and help them to engage at their level with their friends, and to stand for their faith in conversation with friends and with teachers at school. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The most beautiful thing, I think, would be if our neighbors and our kids\u2019 classmates would want to run or come to our home because when they are around us\/followers of Christ, they\u2014maybe they can\u2019t even articulate it\u2014but they are like, \u201cThere is grace and truth. They are going to be totally honest. They are not going to fudge anything. They are going to be truthful, but they are going to be <em>fully<\/em> loving. I want to be at the McLaughlin\u2019s house,\u201d \u201cI want to be at the Wilson\u2019s house,\u201d \u201cI don\u2019t know what it is about being there.\u201d I don\u2019t think that\u2019s the way a lot of people feel about church people; they sort of want to run away, because there is judgment and those kinds of attitudes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYet, number one, pick up the book so we know the truth and we can articulate it for ourselves, and to others, and also then live it out in grace and truth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The word that comes to mind for me, as I\u2019m listening to Dave and Ann Wilson talk today with Rebecca McLaughlin, is the word, \u201cwinsome.\u201d I think, as we present the truth of the Scriptures, we need to recognize that people are going to be as influenced by our demeanor\u2014by our winsome, kind, caring, loving nature\u2014as they are by the truth claims that we are making. As Dave just said, we need to be people who are full of grace and truth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things I love about Rebecca McLaughlin\u2019s book, <em>10 Questions Every Teen Should Ask<\/em>, is that, as she defends the faith, she does it winsomely; she does it in a compelling, kind, generous way. I think this is a <em>great<\/em> book for moms and dads to go through <em>together<\/em> with their teenagers. It may be that your youth pastor would want to take the youth group through a book like this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe would like to make a copy of Rebecca\u2019s book available to you this week if you can help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> with a donation of any amount. <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is listener-supported. It\u2019s folks, like you, who have made today\u2019s program possible; and when you invest in the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, you\u2019re making future ministry like this possible. Let me encourage you to join the team that makes the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> available in your community. You can do that by donating online at FamilyLifeToday.com or by calling 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, Dave and Ann Wilson will talk with Rebecca McLaughlin about some of the hot-button issues in our culture today; because our teens are facing these issues in school\/with their peer group: issues about gender, sexuality, diversity, racism. How do we respond to those issues in a way that is biblical? We\u2019ll have that conversation tomorrow. I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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What are you talking about?\u201d He goes, \u201cWhat if <em>none<\/em> of this is true? What if Jesus really wasn\u2019t who He said He was? What if He didn\u2019t rise from the dead? What if <em>none<\/em> of it\u2019s true?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I remember that distinctly, because you had a look of fear on your face. I mean, you were <em>shocked<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I said, \u201cThese are the questions you are asking now?! 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There were questions that I needed to ask, and there were questions that I needed to get answers for. Guess what?\u2014I got the answers that did <em>prove<\/em>\u2014I needed some help; I needed some evidence, and there were some great tools. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we\u2019ve got a great tool today for <em>teens<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We are excited to have Rebecca McLaughlin back with us today. Welcome Rebecca. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Thanks for having me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Your [newest] book is really written to teens\u2014but it\u2019s part of a book you wrote to adults, a few years back, <em>Confronting Christianity<\/em>\u2014it\u2019s really full of the questions that I had to wrestle with. You\u2019re saying, \u201cTeenagers need to wrestle with this\u201d; it\u2019s called \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>10 Questions Every Teen Should Ask (and Answer) about Christianity<\/em>. Obviously, you believe it\u2019s <em>good<\/em> to ask questions\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> I do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014<em>and<\/em> get answers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> There <em>are<\/em> answers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got to tell you, as I read it, I found it just so well-written. I mean, I haven\u2019t read <em>Confronting Christianity<\/em>; I want to know: \u201cDid you use <em>Moana<\/em> and <em>Aladdin<\/em> and <em>Harry Potter<\/em> in <em>Confronting Christianity<\/em>? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> I used a lot of <em>Harry Potter<\/em> but no <em>Moana<\/em> and no <em>Aladdin<\/em>;\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> \u2014so yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I mean, you are writing to a younger audience. Man, you talk about <em>grabbing<\/em> their hearts and <em>grabbing<\/em> their imaginations, it was so well done. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere is your background\u2014I mean, you can tell us a little bit more about this, because I don\u2019t know what a degree\u2014I know what a PhD is\u2014but in Renaissance Literature from Cambridge\u2014what is that? Is that Shakespeare? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> For me, it was Shakespeare. It was three years of writing about prisons in Shakespeare. It was fun. [Laughter] I haven\u2019t used it a whole lot since. [Laughter] Although I will say, as I write, I love understanding things by hearing them. When I write, I mostly hear what I\u2019m writing and see if the rhythm feels good to me. I think the only reason I know whether it does or not is because of all the years I spent with Shakespeare. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere is the thing: when I was wrestling through my\u2014you can call it a crisis of faith or whatever\u2014but it was a <em>great<\/em> journey. It was pretty exciting for me to dig into\u2014again, it was a couple years after I\u2019ve already committed to Christ; but that\u2019s okay\u2014because it\u2019s like, \u201cI\u2019m going to dig in.\u201d I was looking for evidence; I wanted to prove that Jesus lived, died, rose from the dead. 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Has apologetics or defending the faith <em>changed<\/em> in 30 or 40 years? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, and are they asking the same questions?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The generation today\u2014it feels different\u2014is it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Yes, I think it\u2019s changed a lot, not because those questions don\u2019t still matter\u2014we do still need to know: \u201cCan we trust the Gospels?\u201d \u201cIs Jesus who He claimed\u201d\/like: \u201cIs there any evidence that Jesus even existed?\u201d\u2014or all of these things\u2014but the questions that are front and center to people today aren\u2019t anything to do with \u201cDid Jesus rise from the dead?\u201d or \u201cIs the Bible authoritative?\u201d or even \u201cHas science disproved Christianity?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey are: \u201cIsn\u2019t Christianity homophobic?\u201d \u201cIsn\u2019t Christianity against diversity?\u201d \u201cAren\u2019t Christians racist?\u201d \u201cIsn\u2019t this just like a white-centered, Western worldview that we are trying to impose on other people?\u201d\u2014those kinds of questions. The moral questions, really,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> \u2014are front and center for people. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think one of the transitions that folks may have been aware of as they go from being the teenager or the young adult, who was grappling themselves, to being the parent now, raising teens\u2014is that, whereas 20 or some odd years ago, maybe, depending on where you lived in the US; but certainly, where my husband grew up in Oklahoma for example\u2014he said that, even if people didn\u2019t go to church, they respected the fact that he did. It was kind of considered like you had a little bit of a moral high ground\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> \u2014if you were a Christian who went to church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tToday, in most parts of the country at least, if you are a Christian who goes to church, and really believes these things, you kind of have a moral low ground. People see you, not just as sort of deluded and foolish, but actually as <em>immoral<\/em> in a lot of spaces. That\u2019s <em>really<\/em>, I think, where the main front is for us now and where we need to both grapple with the questions for ourselves but, also, help our kids to navigate those questions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, I do know that in the \u201890s\u2014we started our church in 1990\u2014it was\/you were respected when you used the title, \u201cpastor\u201d: \u201cOh, what do you do?\u201d \u201cI\u2019m a pastor.\u201d \u201cOh, that\u2019s nice.\u201d <em>Now<\/em>: \u201cYou\u2019re a pastor?\u201d\u2014it\u2019s almost like you\u2019re afraid to <em>say<\/em> it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, you\u2019re judged. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> There are beliefs about you, if you call yourself a Christian, that may not be anywhere near true; but [those] are some of the questions we\u2019ve got to answer. Yet, in your book, you still go after some of the questions I had to answer in the \u201870s and \u201880s; because they <em>still<\/em> are really important questions; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Yes, absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Let\u2019s talk about some of those. One of them\u2014third chapter: \u201cCan Jesus Be True for You But Not for Me?\u201d Talk about that a little bit, because that is an important question for a teenager <em>or<\/em> an adult. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think, as you talk about it, think about the parents that are listening. They are wanting to know how they can answer these questions with their kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> There is a popular story that is often told to help people supposedly understand the different world religions; because people will say: \u201cThere are so many religions out there. It\u2019s fine if Christianity is true for you, and it works for you\u2014it fits with your cultural background\u2014but you can\u2019t possibly say it\u2019s true, regardless of where you come from or what your background is. It\u2019s actually really offensive to say, for example, that Hindus are just mistaken in their beliefs and that <em>they<\/em> would need to, in fact, convert to become followers of Jesus.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPeople will sometimes tell this story of like an elephant that walked into a village of blind people. Different people came up to the elephant and felt different parts of it. One guy felt the leg and said, \u201cOh, this elephant is like a tree.\u201d Somebody else felt the ear and said, \u201cNo, no, no; it\u2019s not like a tree; it\u2019s like a fan.\u201d Someone else felt a tusk and said, \u201cNo, no, no; it\u2019s not like a tree or a fan; it\u2019s like a spear.\u201d People tell that story to say really the different world religions are all kind of grasping at different truths about God; and really, if we could see the full picture, we\u2019d see there wasn\u2019t real contradiction between these different beliefs. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, that seems, at first, to be a really kind of humble attitude\u2014to say, \u201cMy religion doesn\u2019t contain all the truth there is to know; so maybe, we have to take truth from different places.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut if you think about it, the story is told from the perspective of someone who can see the whole elephant. [Laughter] It\u2019s actually kind of condescending to say: \u201cAll you different religious people, with your little ideas about God, are like blind people kind of trying to figure out what an elephant is.\u201d I think the more we work through this mentality people have about saying: \u201cYou can\u2019t possibly say that one religion is true and that others aren\u2019t,\u201d the more what felt like it was maybe very respectful in the first place actually becomes disrespectful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think we most respect our Muslim friend or neighbor, for example, by being real about the fact that they believe different things than we do; and to say, \u201cDo you know both of us are making real claims about God?\u201d There is some overlap\u2014our Muslim friends would also believe that God created everything; certainly, there is some overlap\u2014there are <em>massively<\/em> important differences. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you look even just at the three religions in the world that are closest to each other\u2014actually, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism\u2014at least, all believe there is one Creator God and share some of the Old Testament Scriptures. If we look at what people of those three different beliefs say about Jesus: Christians say that Jesus died and was raised from the dead; Muslims say that Jesus didn\u2019t really die on the cross but that He just seemed to, and He was just taken into heaven: Jews\u2014and for that matter Hindus, Buddhists, and atheists, and agnostics\u2014say that Jesus died and was not raised from the dead. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we may not be able to go back 2,000 years with a video camera and kind of see exactly what happened in the tomb; but those three explanations are incompatible. It cannot be the case that each of those are all correct. So we are not being respectful, if we say: \u201cWell, all of these different religions\u2014even the most sort of similar ones in some ways\u2014are really saying the same thing,\u201d because they are not. This isn\u2019t just kind of detail on the edge of a religion. This is the absolute central claim of the Christian faith; without which, Christianity is dead in the water; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> I think, as we walk through these questions\u2014you know, both for ourselves and with our kids\u2014we need to help to make the distinction between being disrespectful in our attitude and our manner toward somebody, which isn\u2019t something that Jesus calls us to at all; actually, He calls us to always be loving, especially to those who are different from us. Peter said we should always be ready to give a reason for the hope that we have; but to do so with gentleness and respect. That should very much be our posture\u2014love, gentleness, and respect\u2014but at the same, making very clear that we do believe different things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe know, in different spheres of life, it\u2019s not the case that your truth can just be your truth and mine can just be mine. That\u2019s fine if it\u2019s like whose cooking is best: I\u2019m sure your wife cooks better than my husband in your eyes; and I\u2019m sure my husband cooks better than your wife in mine. But when it comes to matters of more universal truth\u2014matters of history, whether something happened or not\u2014whether it is in our own lives or in broader history, and that\u2019s truly relevant to today\u2014we all know that we can\u2019t just say: \u201cIt\u2019s fine if you think the Holocaust didn\u2019t happen\u2014that can be your truth\u2014but my truth is that it did.\u201d No; we know that that\u2019s not okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think we need to help people see that actually there is no special category of religious truth that makes it something that could be true for you and not for me. Actually, Christianity, in particular, is making very real historical claims that are either true or false. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You are an evangelist in my eyes, because you basically have been sharing Christ with your friends. One of the reasons you have written some of your books is to share Christ with your friends and just showing them what you believe. As we talk about that, what would you say to your friends about this point? I bet you\u2019ve had a lot of great conversations about this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> I think one of the really helpful things to bring up actually\u2014again, with our kids or with friends is\u2014far from being a primarily white Western religion, Christianity has always been, from the Scriptures onwards, a multiracial, multiethnic, multicultural movement. Actually, today, Christianity is the largest global belief system\u2014and it is the most diverse, whether you are looking at race, or geography, or culture\u2014in all of the respects that you could look.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Do you think most people are aware of that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think they are;\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I don\u2019t either. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> \u2014I really don\u2019t. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it just changes the framework in which a lot of people think about this question, in particular actually; because once you realize that there are soon going to be more Christians in China than in America; or when you realize that, by 2060, experts think that 40 percent of the world\u2019s Christians will be living in sub-Saharan Africa; or when you realize that actually, from literal day one of the church at Pentecost as we see in the book of Acts, we see the Spirit poured out, and then people from all these different countries\u2014including places like Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Egypt to Libya coming to put their trust in Jesus that day\u2014we realize Christianity\u2014sure, it\u2019s shaped West whites, European folk like me, and sort of the white European West; but we don\u2019t own it. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> It\u2019s been around the world, from the get-go\u2014and increasingly so today\u2014is a multiethnic, multicultural, multiracial faith. Actually, the demographic, globally, that is where Christianity is declining is white Western men. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> How is it that we don\u2019t know this? The general population thinks it is a white more European-centered religion. Where is that coming from? I don\u2019t think it\u2019s just in America that we think that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Yes, I think part of it is just that\u2014even in the last 40 years\u2014sociologists of religion have kind of studied religion. They used to think Christianity was just going to decline; because as the world becomes more modern, and more educated, and more scientific, religious belief naturally declines. Because that is what had happened in Western Europe, they thought the rest of the world would follow on. They really weren\u2019t paying as much attention to the <em>growth<\/em> of Christianity across the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut actually, in the last 40 years, what we\u2019ve seen is an increasing diversification of folks, who are putting their trust in Jesus. They\u2019re expecting that, in the next 40 years, Christianity is going to continue to be the world\u2019s largest religion and the most diverse. It\u2019s going to increase slightly globally rather than decreasing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor too long\u2014I think this is true honestly, both in my country, the UK and in America\u2014there has been this sort of marrying together, in people\u2019s minds, of Christianity with sort of a white-centered nationalism. That is not something we see in the Bible at all; it\u2019s almost absurd from a biblical perspective. We\u2019re late-comers to the Christian family, from the Bible\u2019s perspective; but it also it just doesn\u2019t align with the reality of the church today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, the truth is\u2014as you say all of this\u2014and you have a chapter about Christianity and diversity, it\u2019s not known. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> As you answer this question, and you write about it to help teens answer this question, this needs to be known and understood, not only for our own faith, but as we seek to share our faith with others. These are truths we <em>have<\/em> to have so that, when they do have questions or push back against it, we can answer like you just did. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Yes; I mean, I think a lot of kids today have become very disillusioned with Christianity; because of their history with racism in the white church in America. I understand that. I think there are real things to grieve, and lament, and repent of there. I think what the\/information that those kids are missing is that God has been growing the black church in America for centuries. Actually, rather than if we only align Christianity in our minds with sort of the white Christian slaveholder, or the white Christian segregationists, we are actually <em>ignoring<\/em> the voices of the millions of black Christians that God has raised up through the centuries down to today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; and it is interesting\u2014again, I can feel it in your book and the way you answer, even in this interview, your gentleness and respect, which is so key\u2014as we are interacting with people that are on a journey toward faith, and maybe don\u2019t believe what we do, it\u2019s like we are not answering their questions; we are answering a <em>person<\/em> with gentleness and respect. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll never forget one time, early in the beginning of our church, I made a comment in a sermon\u2014something like\/it was early \u201890s. I don\u2019t remember\u2014but I got confronted by somebody\u2014and that\u2019s why I remember. I said something to the effect of\u2014making a comment about a Muslim or someone who would be of the Islamic faith\u2014and I was trying to debate different things; and I said, \u201cCan you imagine somebody actually believes that?\u201d and just went on; right?\u2014just a flippant little comment, and just went on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis young man came up to me, right after, and waited patiently. He says, \u201cHey, dude,\u201d\u2014and I knew him; so he was part of our arts team; so we had a little bit of a relationship\u2014but he said, \u201cHey, Dave, I just wanted to make a comment on something you said in your sermon.\u201d I\u2019m thinking, \u201cOh, this is going to be a good thing.\u201d He goes, \u201cYou made this comment that: \u2018I can\u2019t believe somebody would\/how could they believe that?\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe goes, \u201cMy mom is a Muslim, and I think she\u2019s coming next week to church. That comment\/it just destroys her as a person. She is not less than you, because she believes something else. Please, don\u2019t make a comment like that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was like, \u201cThank you; that is so true. I need to hear that.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s the <em>attitude<\/em> part\u2014right?\u2014it\u2019s like I\u2019m making a flippant comment, like totally dissing somebody, who is made in the image of God, who has a different belief than I do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Let\u2019s be real. We believe crazy things. [Laughter] We believe that a first century Jewish man died on a cross and was supposedly raised from the dead three days later; like that is crazy! The thing is, the more that I have read, and learned from atheists and agnostic authors, and thinkers today: \u201cWe are not choosing between Christianity, with all its crazy beliefs, and a perfectly coherent kind of secular worldview, that does all the things that Christianity does, but without having to believe the crazy stuff. We are choosing between Christianity and utter incoherence.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, I think, too, the way we talk about other people\u2014other religions, other beliefs\u2014is critical for us in the home. I mean, you are on the stage at a church; but what are we saying around our dinner table, and how are we viewing people, and how do our tones come across or our biases come across? I think\u2014as parents\/as followers of Christ\u2014we need to be loving; because as we watched Jesus encounter various people of all different kinds of faith, He is <em>loving<\/em>. He sees them; He speaks to them; He acknowledges them; He acknowledges their pain; and He <em>loves<\/em> them. Don\u2019t we all want that? I don\u2019t care what your background is; we all want that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> As we know, He is also full of truth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So He is full of grace and truth. He isn\u2019t withholding or hiding the truth; He is blatantly speaking, \u201cThis is the truth\u201d; but He is doing it with such a grace package. It\u2019s appealing; we should be <em>that<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> And we see it modeled, as well, by Paul actually, who often has a bad reputation in minds; because I don\u2019t think we read Paul all that carefully sometimes. I <em>love<\/em> what he says in his first letter to Timothy, where he says, \u201cThis is a trustworthy saying, worthy of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners of whom I am the foremost.\u201d I think we <em>so<\/em> quickly forget that as Christians; we so quickly start thinking we\u2019re on some sort of moral high ground, looking down on all those sinners out there, or all those foolish people, who believe other things, and don\u2019t know who Jesus is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNo, no, no. We\u2019re the people who, as Paul puts it for himself, it\u2019s such an evidence of God\u2019s grace that He would send Jesus to save someone like him, even as bad as Paul. We are the <em>foremost<\/em> sinners; we are probably the worst sinners we know. We need to have <em>that<\/em> posture always as we come to our non-Christian friends. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> As you are with your three kids, and you\u2019re talking, what is your dialogue about these kinds of conversations or people of different faith or beliefs? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s great. My kids are all\u2014well, my older kids\u2014who are in school, are in a public school in Cambridge, Massachusetts. One of the delightful things is that they get to learn alongside people who come from all sorts of different parts of the world. Sometimes, that means they are encountering Christians from Ethiopia, and Eritrea, and other parts of Africa and China, et cetera. Sometimes, it means they are rubbing shoulders with Muslims, or Hindus, or people from a whole range of different faith backgrounds. They have the privilege, I think, of growing up, knowing real people who believe very different things from them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I like that you call it a privilege; I think that is important. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rebecca:<\/strong> It really is. It\u2019s an opportunity for them to learn, in real time, that God\u2019s people transcend any racial, cultural, or national barrier from their Christian friends from all over the world; and to learn to love people\u2014and not just sort of have this idea in their mind of: \u201cWhat is a Muslim like?\u201d or \u201cWhat is a Hindu like?\u201d or \u201cWhat is a Jewish person like?\u201d\u2014but actually, to know and love people, from the ground up, who believe very different things from them or whose families do; and to some extent, having that passed onto them as we\u2019ll know, often, people growing up in religious homes, not actually learning a whole lot about their religious tradition. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYes; I try to talk to my kids, from the ground up, about these questions, and help them to engage at their level with their friends, and to stand for their faith in conversation with friends and with teachers at school. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The most beautiful thing, I think, would be if our neighbors and our kids\u2019 classmates would want to run or come to our home because when they are around us\/followers of Christ, they\u2014maybe they can\u2019t even articulate it\u2014but they are like, \u201cThere is grace and truth. They are going to be totally honest. They are not going to fudge anything. They are going to be truthful, but they are going to be <em>fully<\/em> loving. I want to be at the McLaughlin\u2019s house,\u201d \u201cI want to be at the Wilson\u2019s house,\u201d \u201cI don\u2019t know what it is about being there.\u201d I don\u2019t think that\u2019s the way a lot of people feel about church people; they sort of want to run away, because there is judgment and those kinds of attitudes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYet, number one, pick up the book so we know the truth and we can articulate it for ourselves, and to others, and also then live it out in grace and truth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The word that comes to mind for me, as I\u2019m listening to Dave and Ann Wilson talk today with Rebecca McLaughlin, is the word, \u201cwinsome.\u201d I think, as we present the truth of the Scriptures, we need to recognize that people are going to be as influenced by our demeanor\u2014by our winsome, kind, caring, loving nature\u2014as they are by the truth claims that we are making. As Dave just said, we need to be people who are full of grace and truth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things I love about Rebecca McLaughlin\u2019s book, <em>10 Questions Every Teen Should Ask<\/em>, is that, as she defends the faith, she does it winsomely; she does it in a compelling, kind, generous way. I think this is a <em>great<\/em> book for moms and dads to go through <em>together<\/em> with their teenagers. It may be that your youth pastor would want to take the youth group through a book like this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe would like to make a copy of Rebecca\u2019s book available to you this week if you can help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> with a donation of any amount. <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is listener-supported. It\u2019s folks, like you, who have made today\u2019s program possible; and when you invest in the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, you\u2019re making future ministry like this possible. Let me encourage you to join the team that makes the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> available in your community. You can do that by donating online at FamilyLifeToday.com or by calling 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, Dave and Ann Wilson will talk with Rebecca McLaughlin about some of the hot-button issues in our culture today; because our teens are facing these issues in school\/with their peer group: issues about gender, sexuality, diversity, racism. How do we respond to those issues in a way that is biblical? We\u2019ll have that conversation tomorrow. I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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