{"id":307278,"date":"2021-10-29T07:00:39","date_gmt":"2021-10-29T11:00:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/worship-in-hard-times\/"},"modified":"2021-10-29T07:00:39","modified_gmt":"2021-10-29T11:00:39","slug":"worship-in-hard-times","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/worship-in-hard-times\/","title":{"rendered":"Worship In Hard Times"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How can we worship God through the really hard times? 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I started reading a certain book in the Bible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; you started reading Psalms\/the book of Psalms. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; the funny thing is I didn\u2019t know\u2014I started <em>before<\/em> COVID\u2014then, after, I\u2019m like, \u201cMaybe, God <em>led<\/em> me there,\u201d because the book of Psalms was so <em>emotive<\/em>. It felt like I was reading Scripture of people who were going through a pandemic\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You\u2019re right; yes! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014sort of like I was. It gave <em>words<\/em> to the feelings we had. I\u2019m so glad I was reading that during the pandemic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Ann:<\/strong> It just shows how relevant God\u2019s Word is to <em>everything<\/em> that we go through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember you doing that. I read the Bible through every year, so\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; we\u2019ll be driving down the road; and Ann, every time we are on a road trip: \u201cLet me read you the book of Psalms,\u201d \u201cLet me read you this Psalm.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cLet me read you what I\u2019m reading today; you\u2019re going to <em>love<\/em> it.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> [Whispering] Dave doesn\u2019t like it when I read out loud to him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So why are we saying all of that? I don\u2019t like that\u2014I don\u2019t know why\u2014I <em>should<\/em> enjoy it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You pretend you do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I like it when you read Scripture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tToday, we\u2019ve got Courtney Reissig with us today, who wrote a book about the Psalms called <em>Teach Me to Feel: Worshipping Through the Psalms in Every Season of Life<\/em>, even the COVID season; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; right, even during COVID. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Courtney, welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Thanks for having me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We\u2019re glad to have you back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; I\u2019m glad to be back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So you\u2019re a writer; you\u2019re a teacher\/Bible teacher; the managing director of Risen Motherhood, which is a <em>phenomenal<\/em> ministry. Most importantly, though, you are a mother of four. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I am. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Married how long? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Almost 12 years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Wow! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, anyway\u2014as I opened up your book and read the first chapter about your sort of experience in the hospital, which led you to the book of Psalms\u2014man, what a compelling story! I mean, none of us want to live what you went through; because you walk in one day, thinking you are just going to go home that day, and you end up almost a month in a hospital with this pregnancy. It was a <em>tough<\/em> time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> It was; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I know that\u2019s where you start the book, sort of telling us your feelings, going through that time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Audio Clip] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> The doctor on-call came in. Then the contractions just kept getting worse. She was like, \u201cI think you\u2019re having a placental abruption.\u201d A placental abruption\u2014if it\u2019s a full abruption, means certain death for the baby within five minutes and ten minutes for the mom\u2014the other complexity is we have three other children. So you were there; you helped take care of them. They went from having me every day to three weeks of a steady stream of different people every day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Friend:<\/strong> I remember they were listless little boys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> They were\u2014they would cry\u2014they didn\u2019t understand. My dad decided to go get them and drive them back to Florida, where they\/my parents live. It took a lot of the frightening nature of what was happening to them out of the equation, but it was the <em>worst<\/em> experience of my life [emotion in voice]: \u201cWhat if they leave and I die?\u201d \u201cWhat if I die, and they don\u2019t see me again; and I don\u2019t get to say, \u2018Goodbye,\u2019 to them?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had to be monitored three times a day. They were about to take me off, and my nurse and I looked at the monitor. I said, \u201cDid his heart rate just go down with that contraction?\u201d The doctor was like, \u201cThis is the last straw; time to deliver this baby.\u201d They start the procedure. It takes a while, because I have some other issues from previous C-sections. He is born screaming; we both just start <em>sobbing<\/em>. We have no idea what is going on; but at least, he is breathing. You can hear them being like: \u201cThis is a miracle baby,\u201d \u201cThis is a miracle baby.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPlacental abruptions don\u2019t stop for three weeks. We feel God was like: \u201cI\u2019m going to make this placenta abrupt for a little bit and <em>stop<\/em> it. You\u2019ll <em>feel<\/em> the weight of your mortality and your son\u2019s mortality, but I\u2019m <em>not<\/em> going to let you die today.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wow; I mean, I feel like I\u2019m there. I just want to cry with you; I see you wiping your tears, Courtney. That\u2019s intense. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; it was intense. It was really intense. My older children still remember it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Do they? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, they do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We\u2019ve been talking earlier about what that was like for you and how the Psalms have ministered to you. That really did prompt you to write this book. Even coming out of that, I love that you wrote feelings that you were experiencing when you felt let down; you talked about Psalm 55. Another chapter in your book is when you felt despair, and you talked about Psalm 88: forsaken, in pain, worthless. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m hearing this; I\u2019m thinking, \u201cYes, God\u2019s Word relates to every one of those feelings.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So what jumped out to you initially? Give us a walk through\/you know, one of the Psalms that God really used to help you feel but to also minister to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I had hoped that by spending all that time in the Psalms for all those three weeks that, when the moment of crisis came, that I would, then, remember everything I had read or, at least, that something would stand out to me that I would display resolute faith or that I would somehow have a glowing face\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> All the Scripture is going to come to your mind. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u201cIt\u2019s just going to flow out of me, because I\u2019ve just been pouring it into me. Of course, it is going to come out in a moment of crisis,\u201d\u2014people think like this\/they think\u2014\u201cI wouldn\u2019t respond that way in a crisis.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, you actually don\u2019t know how you are going to respond in a crisis until you\u2019re in the crisis. In the moment, I literally couldn\u2019t remember <em>anything<\/em> that I had read. If you had said, \u201cTell me something that you have learned in the last three weeks,\u201d I would have been like, \u201cI don\u2019t remember anything\u201d; but I could remember Psalm 23. I remember, in the moment, thinking, \u201cThis is a sign of weakness and failure. [Laughter] Everybody knows Psalm 23.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere I am, thinking\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u201cThat\u2019s all you can remember.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014Psalm 23! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You felt lame,\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I felt lame. I felt like a weakling. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014because you are a Bible scholar and teacher. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; right. I didn\u2019t have any words to remember in that moment, because I remember people like John Piper can remember to recite all this Scripture when he was in a cancer ward. I\u2019m like, \u201cI don\u2019t have anything.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s reassuring for many of us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right! In the moment, it was a crisis. It was really intense, and I was like on the border of a panic attack. There were a lot of things going on in that moment. For me, what was helpful, later on, was realizing that it wasn\u2019t a sign of <em>failure<\/em>; it was a sign of <em>kindness<\/em> of the Lord. He was not even making me dig deep for anything; He was just showing me: \u201cPsalm 23 is Scripture, too; it\u2019s just well known.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I listen to you, and I think, \u201cOh, it\u2019s almost like God took all the other Scripture out, because He <em>wanted<\/em> you to sit in Psalm 23.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, He did; yes. He did, and I did sit in it. I was really comforted by it, which I\u2019m happy to walk through it if you want to. So Psalm 23: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Lord is my Shepherd. I have what I need. He lets me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside quiet waters. He renews my life. He leads me along the right path for His name\u2019s sake.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven when I go through the darkest valley, I fear no danger for You are with me. Your rod and Your staff\u2014they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with oil. My cup overflows. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOnly goodness and faithful love will pursue me, all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the Lord as long as I live. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Like you said, it\u2019s so familiar; but again, <em>hearing<\/em> that, it is <em>so powerful<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> It is. It is; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Those words are <em>loaded<\/em> with meaning. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014<em>loaded<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m thinking of a listener, who is in that valley\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014for whatever reason\u2014and they are just struggling. What is God saying through this Psalm? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Also, Courtney, why does that make you feel so much when you are reading it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I mean, I don\u2019t know exactly why Scripture makes me cry when I read it\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014but I think, for me, a lot of it is I\u2019ve experienced this Psalm. I mean, Psalms are poetry. So even\u2014if you think of a song, even a song that\u2019s not about the Lord\u2014a good song\/a good lyric does make us feel. We are feeling beings; God created us with emotions. He could have created us emotion-less, but He didn\u2019t. He created us with emotions. As image-bearers, we are created to feel. God feels as well; you see, when Jesus was on the earth, He felt. So it\u2019s not wrong to feel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s good to feel; but as a Christian, we want to harness our feelings rightly in a way that honors the Lord. In this Psalm\/when you think of: \u201cThe Lord is my Shepherd,\u201d I immediately go to John 10 with \u201cHe is the good Shepherd.\u201d In the context of John 10, it\u2019s right after John 9, where the man born blind is healed and then kicked out of the synagogue for, basically, being healed by Jesus. Here, Jesus says, \u201cI\u2019m the good Shepherd. I\u2019m the Shepherd who doesn\u2019t leave you. I\u2019m the Shepherd who doesn\u2019t devour the sheep. I\u2019m the Shepherd who always cares for the sheep.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014and \u201cThe sheep know My voice.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; they know Him, and they hear Him, and they are cared for by Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor the person, who maybe feels abandoned by someone, or who feels like they\u2019ve been taken advantage of by bad shepherds, the good Shepherd is so comforting\u2014because you think of shepherds\u2014sheep are so vulnerable; they so desperately need the shepherd to take care of <em>everything<\/em> for them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And He\u2019ll leave the 99 to go find the 1. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; yes; then: \u201cI have what I need. He lets me lie in green pastures. He leads me besides quiet waters,\u201d\u2014like He is taking care of everything that we need. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo often, especially in the midst of suffering, it feels like what we are experiencing is <em>not<\/em> what we need; that we have this tremendous <em>lack<\/em>. What the Psalmist is saying\/what David is saying is: \u201cYou have everything you need.\u201d One of the things\u2014in verse 4 of Psalm 23: \u201cEven when I go through the darkest valley, I fear no danger,\u201d\u2014a dark valley <em>is<\/em> dangerous; but it\u2019s saying, \u201cI don\u2019t <em>fear<\/em> the danger.\u201d It\u2019s not saying that we aren\u2019t going to be <em>in<\/em> suffering; it just says, \u201cI don\u2019t <em>fear<\/em> what it is, because I have a good Shepherd who is with me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; I love that because one of the versions says, \u201cFor You are close beside me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think about our grandson, who is just really fearful of the dark right now; and he feels totally safe when his dad is beside him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; yes! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That is for us too. We could be going through anything; but when we have Jesus\/when the Father walking beside us, it gives us a little more courage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Some people know this; but I was actually diagnosed with cervical cancer in the middle of COVID. I had to have a hysterectomy very quickly after. It was a really long and quick crisis; but I had to go to all my appointments alone, because it was COVID. My husband never met my oncologist; he couldn\u2019t be in the hospital with me. I had to have a hysterectomy by myself in the hospital, and he had to wait in the car. I had to spend the night in the hospital. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I had my PET scan\u2014I remember\u2014they tell you, with a PET scan, to be calm while you are waiting for the dye to go through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Okay! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I was like, \u201cI don\u2019t know how you can be calm.\u201d So I listened to music. Some people had sent me a playlist\/a friend had made me a playlist. I was listening to some music. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was one of those moments where\u2014I have been in medical crisis before; but this is the only moment where Daniel could not be with me. He has been by my side for <em>everything<\/em> that we\u2019ve gone through\u2014and this is one of those moments, where like he could not be in the PET scan room with me. I sensed so clearly that the Lord was with me\u2014like Psalm 46:1\u2014\u201cYou are a very present help in times of trouble.\u201d If you are trusting in Jesus, we have the Holy Spirit residing within us so that we are <em>never<\/em> alone. Even when we are in the darkest valley, He <em>is<\/em> with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I had a situation very similar to that. I was having an MRI, checking for cancer; and it\u2019s so traumatic for your soul. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, yes! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You can be so <em>gripped<\/em> by fear\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014gripped; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and anxiety. I\u2019m thinking of listeners, who have gone through so many circumstances, where they are just gripped with fear and anxiety. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI can remember\u2014you know, I have my head in this thing; and the noise is so loud; it\u2019s banging\u2014I can remember thinking, \u201cI\u2019m just going to go to another place with Jesus.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I pictured Psalm 23. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I pictured myself walking beside a stream with Jesus in this green valley. That helped me. I mean, it is also Scripture. It\u2019s almost like I went to another place in my head,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014because this place was too traumatic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> She always goes visual. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I do go visual. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> She <em>sees<\/em> it; it\u2019s like she is seeing Psalm 23 come alive. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We can use our imaginations for really terrible things. Why wouldn\u2019t we use it to picture Jesus? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> That\u2019s so helpful; yes, absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m just thinking of the truth of: \u201cI will fear no evil for You are with me.\u201d That truth\u2014and he writes\u2014\u201c\u2026comforts me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m thinking of, as an NFL chaplain for 33 seasons with the Lions, there were many situations, where I would be one of the first people on the field to a player, who just got injured\u2014the different responses in that moment by players\u2014I can remember Kevin Glover breaking his leg. He <em>knew<\/em>, snapped during a playoff game. By the way, the Lions weren\u2019t in very many playoff games; so this was a <em>long<\/em> time ago. [Laughter] But walking over to him on the field in Tampa, he literally had a smile on his face. He wasn\u2019t happy; but he was like, \u201cOkay, the Lord is in control. I\u2019m done; but He has got me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWalking over to the other guys\u2014who are yelling, and cussing, and screaming\u2014because this is their whole world. They had no sense that there is a God with them; what a difference. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Difference; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Whether it\u2019s in a hospital room or in your marriage\u2014whatever\u2014to know that you can be comforted by the truth of what the Psalmist is writing here: \u201cYou are with me.\u201d Keep going! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, this is good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> One of the things that I think is also helpful is when you see, \u201cYour rod and Your staff, they comfort me,\u201d\u2014the rod being\u2014the staff like guiding us; but also the rod is discipline. So even the discipline of the Lord\u2014not punishment\u2014but suffering comes into our life as a way to harness us and discipline us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014to shape us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014and to shape us; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2014to be able to say that it comforts us\u2014I can say that on things, on the backend, and say, \u201cI can see what the Lord has done in that.\u201d I want to be able to say, \u201cThis suffering that the Lord has brought into my life doesn\u2019t feel good; but in the grand scheme of things, it is going to work out for good.\u201d I want to be able to say, \u201cI know that it is a comfort. When I am experiencing suffering, it\u2019s <em>not<\/em> a sign that He is <em>against<\/em> me; it\u2019s a sign that He is <em>for<\/em> me, because He is conforming more to the image of Christ.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Then I love verse 6: \u201cOnly goodness and full love will pursue me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for as long as I live.\u201d I love that <em>only<\/em> goodness\u2014because, again, in suffering, it doesn\u2019t feel like goodness and faithful love\u2014it feels like <em>death<\/em>. It feels like\u2014when I was diagnosed with cancer, it felt like God was kicking us while we were down\u2014I\u2019m like, \u201cCOVID, really? You\u2019re going to give me cancer, too, in the midst of COVID?\u201d It felt like He was kicking us while we were down. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> So stop right there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> A lot of people feel that at different times in their lives, where they are <em>mad<\/em> at God\/they are blaming God; they are like, \u201cReally?! Really?!\u201d How do you deal with that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Well, I think you are honest about it. The <em>worst<\/em> thing you can do is <em>not<\/em> be honest about how you are feeling, because the Lord is\/He knows what you are feeling anyway. It doesn\u2019t do any good to pretend like you are trusting when you are not. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI prayed that to the Lord\u2014I talked about it to my husband\u2014I also told this to the Lord, \u201cI feel like You are kicking us while we are down. I feel like You are <em>not<\/em> with us.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You are <em>writing<\/em> a psalm right there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney: <\/strong>One of the helpful things of processing through that is, if you are pouring Scripture into your life, eventually those things <em>do<\/em> work themselves out; it just. sometimes, it takes time. By God\u2019s grace, I was able to get to a point where I realized He wasn\u2019t kicking us while we were down. He was showing up\u2014and He showed up in a <em>number<\/em> of ways\u2014of having people help us, and my parents were able to come down; there were a number of things to help. But I was honest; I didn\u2019t stuff it down\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014where I was trying to put on a good face for everyone, who was waiting to see how we were going to respond. What\u2019s helpful\u2014I always think of Joseph, too\u2014is how Joseph, at the end of Genesis, says, \u201cWhat you meant for evil God meant for good.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> And he said it at the <em>end<\/em> of his life; he says it at the <em>very<\/em> end. We aren\u2019t given the process throughout what he endured\u2014and when we think of how long he endured injustice, and suffering, and difficulty before he ever saw any fruit from what was going on\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And he could have been <em>so<\/em> bitter\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, he could have been. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014angry with his family\/angry with God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014and the Lord worked in his life so that he was able to have that perspective of that: \u201cYes, you meant it for evil; but God intended it for good.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat the Scriptures\u2014I think sometimes we build a theology of trust based on the end result of what we see in the Scriptures\u2014but the Scriptures don\u2019t tell us all the process that got to that point. We have a little bit of study to understand: \u201cWell, that was maybe 20\/30 years that that was going on,\u201d or \u201cThat was seven to ten years that that was going on.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo when you think of the span of <em>your<\/em> life\u2014you get diagnosed on a Monday, and you\u2019ve got to have a resolution of trust by Friday\u2014well, that <em>doesn\u2019t<\/em> always happen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> The Christian life is hard; and life is complex; and people are really complex. Sometimes, if you are even just looking at counseling people, and working through and just loving suffering people\u2014is giving them the breathing room to have those feelings that\u2014\u201cIt is really hard,\u201d and \u201cI <em>don\u2019t<\/em> feel like I trust right now.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019m thinking of talking to kids and to friends, where they will be suffering\u2014and they will be lamenting, like: \u201cI feel so forgotten,\u201d \u201cI feel like this is unjust,\u201d\u2014I have this habit of <em>hating<\/em> that they are in pain, so I try to fix their pain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Oh, yes; I do, too; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cOkay; well, God\u2019s Word says\u2026\u201d I\u2019m a pretty positive person, so I try to bounce them out of their negativity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Our one son will always say to me, \u201cMom, let me just sit here in the pain of it.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s a good reminder for me to, like: \u201cOh, yes, I don\u2019t need to fix him; that\u2019s God\u2019s job. I can just sit with him <em>in<\/em> it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cPut my hand on him; pray for him; understand and say, \u2018That\u2019s got to be so hard.\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yet, there is something that happens\u2014I\u2019m guessing you agree with me\u2014when you do go vertical\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Oh, for sure; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014when you\u2019re in the pain\/you\u2019re in the struggle. The Psalms often do that. It\u2019s like\u2014even Psalm 73\u2014we\u2019re not going to walk through it; but he\u2019s\u2014I\u2019ve said it many times: \u201cWhy do the evil prosper? Why do bad people get good things?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes! Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The psalmist is, for the most of that Psalm,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, he\u2019s real mad. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014saying what we\u2019re all thinking. And then you get to: \u201cThen I went into the sanctuary\u2026\u201d\/\u201cOh, when my eyes went vertical, then I got a different perspective.\u201d I think that\u2019s what your book does\u2014that\u2019s what the Psalms do\u2014is, when you say, \u201cGod, I want <em>Your<\/em> perspective,\u201d you read people, going, \u201cOh, they are complaining, too; but here it comes: \u2018You are with me,\u2019 \u2018You\u2019ve got this,\u2019 \u2018God is my refuge and my strength in time of trouble.\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s <em>such<\/em> a good reminder that we can literally lift our chin and go: \u201cOkay, I\u2019m going to\u201d\u2014\u201cwalk into this year\u201d \u201cwalk into this marriage\u201d \u201cwalk into this hospital room\u201d \u201cwalk into this test\u201d\u2014\u201cand know that God is with me. That\u2019s all I need to know. I don\u2019t know what\u2019s going to happen, but I know He is with me; that is enough.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think, for all of us, emotions can be sometimes confusing. Sometimes they blindside us; they come out of nowhere. We think: \u201cWhere did that come from?\u201d \u201cIs this even right or appropriate? Am I sinning by feeling the way I feel?\u201d I think this conversation between Dave and Ann Wilson and Courtney Reissig has been so helpful as we look together at the book of Psalms and see that God\u2019s Word tells us that we can bring our emotions to God. Emotions are not bad; they are given to us from God. We just need to know what to do with them when we feel them. Some of us need to know how to feel them more deeply. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCourtney has written a book called <em>Teach Me to Feel<\/em>. It\u2019s a book we\u2019ve got in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. It\u2019s available online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or you can call to order your copy. Our number is 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the title of Courtney\u2019s book is <em>Teach Me to Feel<\/em>. Order it from us online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call to order: 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we\u2019re excited about four events that are taking place this weekend. We want to ask you to be praying with us for couples who will be attending <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways in Cleveland, Ohio; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; Delray Beach, Florida; and Little Rock, Arkansas, this weekend. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had to shut down <em>Weekend<\/em>s<em> to Remember<\/em> back in March of 2020. Since that time, we\u2019ve only had a handful of events. That\u2019s one of the reasons we are excited that we are able to have these events now and that couples are coming out to spend a weekend with us to strengthen their marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid Robbins, the president of FamilyLife, is here with us. David, our listeners need to know that, even though conferences had to be shut down for a season, a lot of ongoing ministry has continued to happen, here, at FamilyLife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes, I\u2019ve gotten a little sentimental, looking back and reflecting, as I keep getting appointments landing in November and December now on my calendar. It just makes me think back to the last 18 months. In a lot of ways, a lot of things for people have been frozen or on hold. In particular, ministry to marriages and families, there has not been a pause. If anything, there have been <em>greater<\/em> needs; and there has been some pretty cool acceleration of what\u2019s been happening. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I reflect back, I just, first, want to say, \u201cThank <em>you<\/em> for the ways you have come around us as a ministry\u2014for the ways you have given: for you Legacy Partners continuing to give, month in and month out; for many of your special gifts\u2014to keep us, as a ministry, moving and ministering to families in this critical time. It allowed our ministry to be creative, whether:\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s a <em>Dates to Remember<\/em> box, which that date box has helped thousands of couples carve out time to be intentional with their marriage around God\u2019s Word.\n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\tThere was a virtual cruise we did; who [knew] you could have a cruise without a boat? \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\tAnd over ten thousand couples in Latin America have gone through the <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> small group through a Zoom small group. \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><p>\n\t\t\t\tThose are just a tip of the iceberg. God has been on the move in some powerful ways. I just want to say, \u201cThank you for the ways you have given in order to keep ministry going strong and being created to keep pursuing our mission and our vision of every home a godly home.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, the last year-and-a-half has been so critical for so many couples and so many families. People have continued turning to us for help and hope. Because of listeners, like you, who donate to this ministry, we\u2019ve been able to be here, providing that ongoing hope and help. So thank you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid, thank you for being here with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, join us in prayer for the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> getaways that are happening this weekend. I hope you have a great weekend. I hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend, and I hope you can join us on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk about screen time. If you don\u2019t think that the amount of time you\u2019re spending looking at a screen is having an impact on your marriage, and your family, your relationships, then you\u2019re just not paying attention. David Murrow is going to join us to talk about how all of us are drowning in screen time and what we should do about that. I hope you can tune in for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you on Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelping you pursue the relationships that matter most.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. 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It gave <em>words<\/em> to the feelings we had. I\u2019m so glad I was reading that during the pandemic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Ann:<\/strong> It just shows how relevant God\u2019s Word is to <em>everything<\/em> that we go through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember you doing that. I read the Bible through every year, so\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; we\u2019ll be driving down the road; and Ann, every time we are on a road trip: \u201cLet me read you the book of Psalms,\u201d \u201cLet me read you this Psalm.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cLet me read you what I\u2019m reading today; you\u2019re going to <em>love<\/em> it.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> [Whispering] Dave doesn\u2019t like it when I read out loud to him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So why are we saying all of that? I don\u2019t like that\u2014I don\u2019t know why\u2014I <em>should<\/em> enjoy it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You pretend you do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I like it when you read Scripture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tToday, we\u2019ve got Courtney Reissig with us today, who wrote a book about the Psalms called <em>Teach Me to Feel: Worshipping Through the Psalms in Every Season of Life<\/em>, even the COVID season; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; right, even during COVID. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Courtney, welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Thanks for having me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We\u2019re glad to have you back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; I\u2019m glad to be back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So you\u2019re a writer; you\u2019re a teacher\/Bible teacher; the managing director of Risen Motherhood, which is a <em>phenomenal<\/em> ministry. Most importantly, though, you are a mother of four. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I am. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Married how long? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Almost 12 years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Wow! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, anyway\u2014as I opened up your book and read the first chapter about your sort of experience in the hospital, which led you to the book of Psalms\u2014man, what a compelling story! I mean, none of us want to live what you went through; because you walk in one day, thinking you are just going to go home that day, and you end up almost a month in a hospital with this pregnancy. It was a <em>tough<\/em> time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> It was; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I know that\u2019s where you start the book, sort of telling us your feelings, going through that time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Audio Clip] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> The doctor on-call came in. Then the contractions just kept getting worse. She was like, \u201cI think you\u2019re having a placental abruption.\u201d A placental abruption\u2014if it\u2019s a full abruption, means certain death for the baby within five minutes and ten minutes for the mom\u2014the other complexity is we have three other children. So you were there; you helped take care of them. They went from having me every day to three weeks of a steady stream of different people every day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Friend:<\/strong> I remember they were listless little boys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> They were\u2014they would cry\u2014they didn\u2019t understand. My dad decided to go get them and drive them back to Florida, where they\/my parents live. It took a lot of the frightening nature of what was happening to them out of the equation, but it was the <em>worst<\/em> experience of my life [emotion in voice]: \u201cWhat if they leave and I die?\u201d \u201cWhat if I die, and they don\u2019t see me again; and I don\u2019t get to say, \u2018Goodbye,\u2019 to them?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had to be monitored three times a day. They were about to take me off, and my nurse and I looked at the monitor. I said, \u201cDid his heart rate just go down with that contraction?\u201d The doctor was like, \u201cThis is the last straw; time to deliver this baby.\u201d They start the procedure. It takes a while, because I have some other issues from previous C-sections. He is born screaming; we both just start <em>sobbing<\/em>. We have no idea what is going on; but at least, he is breathing. You can hear them being like: \u201cThis is a miracle baby,\u201d \u201cThis is a miracle baby.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPlacental abruptions don\u2019t stop for three weeks. We feel God was like: \u201cI\u2019m going to make this placenta abrupt for a little bit and <em>stop<\/em> it. You\u2019ll <em>feel<\/em> the weight of your mortality and your son\u2019s mortality, but I\u2019m <em>not<\/em> going to let you die today.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wow; I mean, I feel like I\u2019m there. I just want to cry with you; I see you wiping your tears, Courtney. That\u2019s intense. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; it was intense. It was really intense. My older children still remember it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Do they? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, they do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We\u2019ve been talking earlier about what that was like for you and how the Psalms have ministered to you. That really did prompt you to write this book. Even coming out of that, I love that you wrote feelings that you were experiencing when you felt let down; you talked about Psalm 55. Another chapter in your book is when you felt despair, and you talked about Psalm 88: forsaken, in pain, worthless. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m hearing this; I\u2019m thinking, \u201cYes, God\u2019s Word relates to every one of those feelings.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So what jumped out to you initially? Give us a walk through\/you know, one of the Psalms that God really used to help you feel but to also minister to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I had hoped that by spending all that time in the Psalms for all those three weeks that, when the moment of crisis came, that I would, then, remember everything I had read or, at least, that something would stand out to me that I would display resolute faith or that I would somehow have a glowing face\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> All the Scripture is going to come to your mind. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u201cIt\u2019s just going to flow out of me, because I\u2019ve just been pouring it into me. Of course, it is going to come out in a moment of crisis,\u201d\u2014people think like this\/they think\u2014\u201cI wouldn\u2019t respond that way in a crisis.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, you actually don\u2019t know how you are going to respond in a crisis until you\u2019re in the crisis. In the moment, I literally couldn\u2019t remember <em>anything<\/em> that I had read. If you had said, \u201cTell me something that you have learned in the last three weeks,\u201d I would have been like, \u201cI don\u2019t remember anything\u201d; but I could remember Psalm 23. I remember, in the moment, thinking, \u201cThis is a sign of weakness and failure. [Laughter] Everybody knows Psalm 23.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere I am, thinking\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u201cThat\u2019s all you can remember.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014Psalm 23! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You felt lame,\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I felt lame. I felt like a weakling. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014because you are a Bible scholar and teacher. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; right. I didn\u2019t have any words to remember in that moment, because I remember people like John Piper can remember to recite all this Scripture when he was in a cancer ward. I\u2019m like, \u201cI don\u2019t have anything.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s reassuring for many of us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right! In the moment, it was a crisis. It was really intense, and I was like on the border of a panic attack. There were a lot of things going on in that moment. For me, what was helpful, later on, was realizing that it wasn\u2019t a sign of <em>failure<\/em>; it was a sign of <em>kindness<\/em> of the Lord. He was not even making me dig deep for anything; He was just showing me: \u201cPsalm 23 is Scripture, too; it\u2019s just well known.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I listen to you, and I think, \u201cOh, it\u2019s almost like God took all the other Scripture out, because He <em>wanted<\/em> you to sit in Psalm 23.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, He did; yes. He did, and I did sit in it. I was really comforted by it, which I\u2019m happy to walk through it if you want to. So Psalm 23: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Lord is my Shepherd. I have what I need. He lets me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside quiet waters. He renews my life. He leads me along the right path for His name\u2019s sake.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven when I go through the darkest valley, I fear no danger for You are with me. Your rod and Your staff\u2014they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with oil. My cup overflows. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOnly goodness and faithful love will pursue me, all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the Lord as long as I live. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Like you said, it\u2019s so familiar; but again, <em>hearing<\/em> that, it is <em>so powerful<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> It is. It is; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Those words are <em>loaded<\/em> with meaning. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014<em>loaded<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m thinking of a listener, who is in that valley\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014for whatever reason\u2014and they are just struggling. What is God saying through this Psalm? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Also, Courtney, why does that make you feel so much when you are reading it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I mean, I don\u2019t know exactly why Scripture makes me cry when I read it\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014but I think, for me, a lot of it is I\u2019ve experienced this Psalm. I mean, Psalms are poetry. So even\u2014if you think of a song, even a song that\u2019s not about the Lord\u2014a good song\/a good lyric does make us feel. We are feeling beings; God created us with emotions. He could have created us emotion-less, but He didn\u2019t. He created us with emotions. As image-bearers, we are created to feel. God feels as well; you see, when Jesus was on the earth, He felt. So it\u2019s not wrong to feel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s good to feel; but as a Christian, we want to harness our feelings rightly in a way that honors the Lord. In this Psalm\/when you think of: \u201cThe Lord is my Shepherd,\u201d I immediately go to John 10 with \u201cHe is the good Shepherd.\u201d In the context of John 10, it\u2019s right after John 9, where the man born blind is healed and then kicked out of the synagogue for, basically, being healed by Jesus. Here, Jesus says, \u201cI\u2019m the good Shepherd. I\u2019m the Shepherd who doesn\u2019t leave you. I\u2019m the Shepherd who doesn\u2019t devour the sheep. I\u2019m the Shepherd who always cares for the sheep.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014and \u201cThe sheep know My voice.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; they know Him, and they hear Him, and they are cared for by Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor the person, who maybe feels abandoned by someone, or who feels like they\u2019ve been taken advantage of by bad shepherds, the good Shepherd is so comforting\u2014because you think of shepherds\u2014sheep are so vulnerable; they so desperately need the shepherd to take care of <em>everything<\/em> for them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And He\u2019ll leave the 99 to go find the 1. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; yes; then: \u201cI have what I need. He lets me lie in green pastures. He leads me besides quiet waters,\u201d\u2014like He is taking care of everything that we need. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo often, especially in the midst of suffering, it feels like what we are experiencing is <em>not<\/em> what we need; that we have this tremendous <em>lack<\/em>. What the Psalmist is saying\/what David is saying is: \u201cYou have everything you need.\u201d One of the things\u2014in verse 4 of Psalm 23: \u201cEven when I go through the darkest valley, I fear no danger,\u201d\u2014a dark valley <em>is<\/em> dangerous; but it\u2019s saying, \u201cI don\u2019t <em>fear<\/em> the danger.\u201d It\u2019s not saying that we aren\u2019t going to be <em>in<\/em> suffering; it just says, \u201cI don\u2019t <em>fear<\/em> what it is, because I have a good Shepherd who is with me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; I love that because one of the versions says, \u201cFor You are close beside me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think about our grandson, who is just really fearful of the dark right now; and he feels totally safe when his dad is beside him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes; yes! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That is for us too. We could be going through anything; but when we have Jesus\/when the Father walking beside us, it gives us a little more courage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Some people know this; but I was actually diagnosed with cervical cancer in the middle of COVID. I had to have a hysterectomy very quickly after. It was a really long and quick crisis; but I had to go to all my appointments alone, because it was COVID. My husband never met my oncologist; he couldn\u2019t be in the hospital with me. I had to have a hysterectomy by myself in the hospital, and he had to wait in the car. I had to spend the night in the hospital. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I had my PET scan\u2014I remember\u2014they tell you, with a PET scan, to be calm while you are waiting for the dye to go through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Okay! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> I was like, \u201cI don\u2019t know how you can be calm.\u201d So I listened to music. Some people had sent me a playlist\/a friend had made me a playlist. I was listening to some music. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was one of those moments where\u2014I have been in medical crisis before; but this is the only moment where Daniel could not be with me. He has been by my side for <em>everything<\/em> that we\u2019ve gone through\u2014and this is one of those moments, where like he could not be in the PET scan room with me. I sensed so clearly that the Lord was with me\u2014like Psalm 46:1\u2014\u201cYou are a very present help in times of trouble.\u201d If you are trusting in Jesus, we have the Holy Spirit residing within us so that we are <em>never<\/em> alone. Even when we are in the darkest valley, He <em>is<\/em> with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I had a situation very similar to that. I was having an MRI, checking for cancer; and it\u2019s so traumatic for your soul. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, yes! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You can be so <em>gripped<\/em> by fear\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014gripped; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and anxiety. I\u2019m thinking of listeners, who have gone through so many circumstances, where they are just gripped with fear and anxiety. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI can remember\u2014you know, I have my head in this thing; and the noise is so loud; it\u2019s banging\u2014I can remember thinking, \u201cI\u2019m just going to go to another place with Jesus.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I pictured Psalm 23. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I pictured myself walking beside a stream with Jesus in this green valley. That helped me. I mean, it is also Scripture. It\u2019s almost like I went to another place in my head,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014because this place was too traumatic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> She always goes visual. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I do go visual. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> She <em>sees<\/em> it; it\u2019s like she is seeing Psalm 23 come alive. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We can use our imaginations for really terrible things. Why wouldn\u2019t we use it to picture Jesus? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> That\u2019s so helpful; yes, absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m just thinking of the truth of: \u201cI will fear no evil for You are with me.\u201d That truth\u2014and he writes\u2014\u201c\u2026comforts me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m thinking of, as an NFL chaplain for 33 seasons with the Lions, there were many situations, where I would be one of the first people on the field to a player, who just got injured\u2014the different responses in that moment by players\u2014I can remember Kevin Glover breaking his leg. He <em>knew<\/em>, snapped during a playoff game. By the way, the Lions weren\u2019t in very many playoff games; so this was a <em>long<\/em> time ago. [Laughter] But walking over to him on the field in Tampa, he literally had a smile on his face. He wasn\u2019t happy; but he was like, \u201cOkay, the Lord is in control. I\u2019m done; but He has got me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWalking over to the other guys\u2014who are yelling, and cussing, and screaming\u2014because this is their whole world. They had no sense that there is a God with them; what a difference. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Difference; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Whether it\u2019s in a hospital room or in your marriage\u2014whatever\u2014to know that you can be comforted by the truth of what the Psalmist is writing here: \u201cYou are with me.\u201d Keep going! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, this is good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> One of the things that I think is also helpful is when you see, \u201cYour rod and Your staff, they comfort me,\u201d\u2014the rod being\u2014the staff like guiding us; but also the rod is discipline. So even the discipline of the Lord\u2014not punishment\u2014but suffering comes into our life as a way to harness us and discipline us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014to shape us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014and to shape us; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2014to be able to say that it comforts us\u2014I can say that on things, on the backend, and say, \u201cI can see what the Lord has done in that.\u201d I want to be able to say, \u201cThis suffering that the Lord has brought into my life doesn\u2019t feel good; but in the grand scheme of things, it is going to work out for good.\u201d I want to be able to say, \u201cI know that it is a comfort. When I am experiencing suffering, it\u2019s <em>not<\/em> a sign that He is <em>against<\/em> me; it\u2019s a sign that He is <em>for<\/em> me, because He is conforming more to the image of Christ.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Then I love verse 6: \u201cOnly goodness and full love will pursue me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for as long as I live.\u201d I love that <em>only<\/em> goodness\u2014because, again, in suffering, it doesn\u2019t feel like goodness and faithful love\u2014it feels like <em>death<\/em>. It feels like\u2014when I was diagnosed with cancer, it felt like God was kicking us while we were down\u2014I\u2019m like, \u201cCOVID, really? You\u2019re going to give me cancer, too, in the midst of COVID?\u201d It felt like He was kicking us while we were down. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> So stop right there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> A lot of people feel that at different times in their lives, where they are <em>mad<\/em> at God\/they are blaming God; they are like, \u201cReally?! Really?!\u201d How do you deal with that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Well, I think you are honest about it. The <em>worst<\/em> thing you can do is <em>not<\/em> be honest about how you are feeling, because the Lord is\/He knows what you are feeling anyway. It doesn\u2019t do any good to pretend like you are trusting when you are not. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI prayed that to the Lord\u2014I talked about it to my husband\u2014I also told this to the Lord, \u201cI feel like You are kicking us while we are down. I feel like You are <em>not<\/em> with us.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You are <em>writing<\/em> a psalm right there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney: <\/strong>One of the helpful things of processing through that is, if you are pouring Scripture into your life, eventually those things <em>do<\/em> work themselves out; it just. sometimes, it takes time. By God\u2019s grace, I was able to get to a point where I realized He wasn\u2019t kicking us while we were down. He was showing up\u2014and He showed up in a <em>number<\/em> of ways\u2014of having people help us, and my parents were able to come down; there were a number of things to help. But I was honest; I didn\u2019t stuff it down\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014where I was trying to put on a good face for everyone, who was waiting to see how we were going to respond. What\u2019s helpful\u2014I always think of Joseph, too\u2014is how Joseph, at the end of Genesis, says, \u201cWhat you meant for evil God meant for good.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> And he said it at the <em>end<\/em> of his life; he says it at the <em>very<\/em> end. We aren\u2019t given the process throughout what he endured\u2014and when we think of how long he endured injustice, and suffering, and difficulty before he ever saw any fruit from what was going on\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And he could have been <em>so<\/em> bitter\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, he could have been. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014angry with his family\/angry with God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> \u2014and the Lord worked in his life so that he was able to have that perspective of that: \u201cYes, you meant it for evil; but God intended it for good.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat the Scriptures\u2014I think sometimes we build a theology of trust based on the end result of what we see in the Scriptures\u2014but the Scriptures don\u2019t tell us all the process that got to that point. We have a little bit of study to understand: \u201cWell, that was maybe 20\/30 years that that was going on,\u201d or \u201cThat was seven to ten years that that was going on.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo when you think of the span of <em>your<\/em> life\u2014you get diagnosed on a Monday, and you\u2019ve got to have a resolution of trust by Friday\u2014well, that <em>doesn\u2019t<\/em> always happen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> The Christian life is hard; and life is complex; and people are really complex. Sometimes, if you are even just looking at counseling people, and working through and just loving suffering people\u2014is giving them the breathing room to have those feelings that\u2014\u201cIt is really hard,\u201d and \u201cI <em>don\u2019t<\/em> feel like I trust right now.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019m thinking of talking to kids and to friends, where they will be suffering\u2014and they will be lamenting, like: \u201cI feel so forgotten,\u201d \u201cI feel like this is unjust,\u201d\u2014I have this habit of <em>hating<\/em> that they are in pain, so I try to fix their pain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Oh, yes; I do, too; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cOkay; well, God\u2019s Word says\u2026\u201d I\u2019m a pretty positive person, so I try to bounce them out of their negativity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Our one son will always say to me, \u201cMom, let me just sit here in the pain of it.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Right; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s a good reminder for me to, like: \u201cOh, yes, I don\u2019t need to fix him; that\u2019s God\u2019s job. I can just sit with him <em>in<\/em> it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cPut my hand on him; pray for him; understand and say, \u2018That\u2019s got to be so hard.\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yet, there is something that happens\u2014I\u2019m guessing you agree with me\u2014when you do go vertical\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Oh, for sure; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014when you\u2019re in the pain\/you\u2019re in the struggle. The Psalms often do that. It\u2019s like\u2014even Psalm 73\u2014we\u2019re not going to walk through it; but he\u2019s\u2014I\u2019ve said it many times: \u201cWhy do the evil prosper? Why do bad people get good things?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes! Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The psalmist is, for the most of that Psalm,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Courtney:<\/strong> Yes, he\u2019s real mad. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014saying what we\u2019re all thinking. And then you get to: \u201cThen I went into the sanctuary\u2026\u201d\/\u201cOh, when my eyes went vertical, then I got a different perspective.\u201d I think that\u2019s what your book does\u2014that\u2019s what the Psalms do\u2014is, when you say, \u201cGod, I want <em>Your<\/em> perspective,\u201d you read people, going, \u201cOh, they are complaining, too; but here it comes: \u2018You are with me,\u2019 \u2018You\u2019ve got this,\u2019 \u2018God is my refuge and my strength in time of trouble.\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s <em>such<\/em> a good reminder that we can literally lift our chin and go: \u201cOkay, I\u2019m going to\u201d\u2014\u201cwalk into this year\u201d \u201cwalk into this marriage\u201d \u201cwalk into this hospital room\u201d \u201cwalk into this test\u201d\u2014\u201cand know that God is with me. That\u2019s all I need to know. I don\u2019t know what\u2019s going to happen, but I know He is with me; that is enough.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think, for all of us, emotions can be sometimes confusing. Sometimes they blindside us; they come out of nowhere. We think: \u201cWhere did that come from?\u201d \u201cIs this even right or appropriate? Am I sinning by feeling the way I feel?\u201d I think this conversation between Dave and Ann Wilson and Courtney Reissig has been so helpful as we look together at the book of Psalms and see that God\u2019s Word tells us that we can bring our emotions to God. Emotions are not bad; they are given to us from God. We just need to know what to do with them when we feel them. Some of us need to know how to feel them more deeply. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCourtney has written a book called <em>Teach Me to Feel<\/em>. It\u2019s a book we\u2019ve got in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. It\u2019s available online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or you can call to order your copy. Our number is 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the title of Courtney\u2019s book is <em>Teach Me to Feel<\/em>. Order it from us online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call to order: 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we\u2019re excited about four events that are taking place this weekend. We want to ask you to be praying with us for couples who will be attending <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways in Cleveland, Ohio; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; Delray Beach, Florida; and Little Rock, Arkansas, this weekend. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had to shut down <em>Weekend<\/em>s<em> to Remember<\/em> back in March of 2020. Since that time, we\u2019ve only had a handful of events. That\u2019s one of the reasons we are excited that we are able to have these events now and that couples are coming out to spend a weekend with us to strengthen their marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid Robbins, the president of FamilyLife, is here with us. David, our listeners need to know that, even though conferences had to be shut down for a season, a lot of ongoing ministry has continued to happen, here, at FamilyLife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes, I\u2019ve gotten a little sentimental, looking back and reflecting, as I keep getting appointments landing in November and December now on my calendar. It just makes me think back to the last 18 months. In a lot of ways, a lot of things for people have been frozen or on hold. In particular, ministry to marriages and families, there has not been a pause. If anything, there have been <em>greater<\/em> needs; and there has been some pretty cool acceleration of what\u2019s been happening. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I reflect back, I just, first, want to say, \u201cThank <em>you<\/em> for the ways you have come around us as a ministry\u2014for the ways you have given: for you Legacy Partners continuing to give, month in and month out; for many of your special gifts\u2014to keep us, as a ministry, moving and ministering to families in this critical time. It allowed our ministry to be creative, whether:\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s a <em>Dates to Remember<\/em> box, which that date box has helped thousands of couples carve out time to be intentional with their marriage around God\u2019s Word.\n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\tThere was a virtual cruise we did; who [knew] you could have a cruise without a boat? \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\tAnd over ten thousand couples in Latin America have gone through the <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> small group through a Zoom small group. \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><p>\n\t\t\t\tThose are just a tip of the iceberg. God has been on the move in some powerful ways. I just want to say, \u201cThank you for the ways you have given in order to keep ministry going strong and being created to keep pursuing our mission and our vision of every home a godly home.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, the last year-and-a-half has been so critical for so many couples and so many families. People have continued turning to us for help and hope. Because of listeners, like you, who donate to this ministry, we\u2019ve been able to be here, providing that ongoing hope and help. So thank you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid, thank you for being here with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, join us in prayer for the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> getaways that are happening this weekend. I hope you have a great weekend. I hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend, and I hope you can join us on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk about screen time. If you don\u2019t think that the amount of time you\u2019re spending looking at a screen is having an impact on your marriage, and your family, your relationships, then you\u2019re just not paying attention. David Murrow is going to join us to talk about how all of us are drowning in screen time and what we should do about that. I hope you can tune in for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you on Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelping you pursue the relationships that matter most.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. 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