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Here is Melissa Spoelstra. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Jesus did <em>not<\/em> take away the concept of <em>rest<\/em>. He did fulfill the Sabbath\u2014it is not a mandated law that it has to look a certain way\u2014but He certainly did not come and obliterate the concept that we were created to <em>rest<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> We\u2019re going to talk about what church is for and what Sabbath is for on this edition of <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I\u2019m Michelle Hill. You know, last week, we talked about Pastor Appreciation Month because October <em>is<\/em> Pastor Appreciation Month. Well, this week, I wanted to talk about <em>church<\/em> and some of the reasons why we go to church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWhy do <em>you<\/em> go to church?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lady:<\/strong> The main reason I go to church is because I love the Lord, but I also enjoy the worship and praise and getting together with the other saints. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Man:<\/strong> I go to church because that\u2019s where I\u2019m fed, where I fellowship, and where I learn to grow closer to God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Second Man:<\/strong> I\u2019m involved in several families\u2019 lives in my own church and serving. It\u2019s not about what I can receive from the message but what I can do to help impart that to others and help them in their journey with Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You know, church really isn\u2019t about <em>you<\/em>; it\u2019s about <em>God<\/em>. In fact, all of life is about the One who made us because we are His. On Sundays, we learn about Him; we glorify Him; and we <em>rest<\/em> in Him. I want us to take a look about learning about Him today; where better to do that than to open His Word? <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA while back, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey shared a list of what the Bible is about. His list goes like this: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Bible tells us who God is and what He is like, what pleases God, and how we should relate and respond to God. It explains God\u2019s love for us. The Bible shows us the way to have a relationship with God, and it teaches us how to live. At the right time, it instructs us on how to die. The Bible gives our soul God\u2019s nutrients for spiritual growth; and it convicts us of wrong choices, wrong attitudes, wrong perspective. The Bible gives us the standard for moral judgement, and it replaces our wishbone with a backbone by giving us moral convictions. The Bible is the truth: the unchanging truth, the mighty truth, God\u2019s truth for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, without God\u2019s power in our lives, we are like a ship out to sea on a stormy night; because the Bible is our navigational tool in this life. That kind of reminds me of a conversation that Bob Lepine and Dennis Rainey had, not so long ago, that illustrates this idea of biblical authority. Here is Dennis. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> A young army pilot by the name of Carl Crane got caught in the clouds about 8,000 feet above Detroit while he was trying to fly a congressman\u2019s son back to Washington, DC. He was flying a bi-plane. Now, I want to read what he said: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn a short time I was losing altitude, completely out of control. I couldn\u2019t fly the airplane at all. It had gotten into a spiral dive; and about halfway down, I looked around at the boy behind me. He was enjoying the flight to no end! He was shaking his hands and grinning, and I was slowly dying because I knew we were about to crash. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCrane did not know which wing was up or down, let alone, by how much. He goes on: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFinally, it had got down under a thousand feet. I said, \u201cWell, here we go. I\u2019m going to look at this boy one more time.\u201d As I turned around to look at him, a sign went by my wing; it said Statler Hotel. I had just missed the top of the Statler Hotel in Detroit. In all the mist and rain, I could see the buildings and the streets. I righted the plane and flew down the street and got over the Detroit River and flew about ten feet high all the way back to Toledo, shaking all the way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, what the Scriptures are\u2014the Scriptures are those points of perspective\u2014those anchor points that tell us: \u201cThis is right-side up.\u201d They explain to us why we behave the way we behave\u2014why we make sinful, selfish choices\u2014and what we can do about them. If we will but obey them and follow the Scriptures, like that pilot followed the river, we can have a safe landing. It may be bumpy; there may be some jostling about that takes place during flight, but we\u2019re going to get home safely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> And it\u2019s the Bible that helps get us home safely, because it teaches us about God. On Sundays, and <em>every<\/em> day, we need God\u2019s Word to guide us and to teach us. At church, we should also be worshipping God\u2014we should be getting caught up in who He is and all that He has done\u2014we need to behold Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJohn Piper, for many years, was pastor at Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis, Minnesota. He is a well-known author and speaker. A while back, John Piper stopped by FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. He shared with our staff how Christ knew we needed to know Him to really <em>know<\/em> Him. Pastor Piper spoke to us out of the book of John, the place where Jesus was praying to God the night before His crucifixion. He said these words: \u201cFather, I desire that they also whom You have given Me may be with Me where I am, to see My glory that You have given Me because You love Me before the foundation of the world.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>But Pastor Piper also talked about how we can help those around us to properly understand and grasp the awe of God. Here is John Piper. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Recorded Message] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> What is the most loving prayer request that Christ could make for you? Answer: \u201cFather, let them see My glory.\u201d If that\u2019s the most loving request He could make, then that He be glorious is essential to love\/that He be displayed as glorious is essential to an act of love; because if we didn\u2019t have Him to look at\u2014if He were somehow clouded, not on display\u2014we would be the losers!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOkay, I want to think about relating this to families. How do we help enthrall our wives and husbands? Me: \u201cHow do I help No\u00ebl be enthralled with Christ?\u201d and \u201cHow do I help my daughter, Talitha, be <em>enthralled<\/em> with Christ?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s my goal. My little girl is a sinner, and she is dead in trespasses and sins unless she is born again. I don\u2019t know yet whether she is born again at 8 years old: I see some evidences, but I see evidences to the contrary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy prayer is that God would awaken her from the dead and incline her heart to Christ: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\u201cIncline us to Your Word, O God,\u201d \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t<li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\u201cOpen our eyes to see wonderful things out of Your law,\u201d \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t<li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\u201cUnite our hearts to fear Your Name,\u201d \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t<li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\u201cSatisfy us in the morning with Your steadfast love.\u201d \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><p>\n\t\t\t\tThose four prayers\u2014I.O.U.S.\u2014I pray those for myself every day, and I pray them for my little girl. Only a supernatural work can make her be happy in God more than me and her mother. That is what conversion will mean. That is <em>highly<\/em> unnatural and, therefore, a miracle and, therefore, to be prayed for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith regard to speaking\u2014oh, my; the tongue\u2014oh, the power of the tongue in marriage and in child-rearing! James\u2014the power of the tongue for evil and the power of the tongue for good\u2014oh my! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just give you a few bullets here of the tongue. Maybe, I\u2019ll leave the show for later: \u201cPray, speak, show.\u201d Exult around your wife, your spouse, and your children, spontaneously, in all the glories and gifts of Christ. How few homes have exulting parents! Do you know what exult means? \u201cIsn\u2019t it a beautiful day, Talitha?! God gave us a <em>beautiful<\/em> day,\u201d\u2014exult in the gifts of God and the glories of God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, you\u2019ve got to pray like crazy to be that kind of person. This is not artificial. I asked No\u00ebl this morning, \u201cWhat is the opposite of flattery?\u201d I think a lot of parents use flattery to make their kids feel loved. I mean, the word, \u201cflattery,\u201d exists in the English language because there is this reality that\u2019s bad. It\u2019s a use of language and compliment that is <em>bad<\/em>. There is a bad way to compliment people; it\u2019s called flattery. What is the <em>opposite<\/em>? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are <em>several<\/em> opposites as No\u00ebl pointed out this morning\u2014but the one I\u2019m most interested in is\u2014I think the opposite of flattery is spontaneous enjoyment of everything good you see in your child: makes her first little tree\u2014round with a stick in the bottom\u2014\u201cThat\u2019s beautiful!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I could either be a manipulative, self-esteem builder at this point, thinking, \u201cNow, let\u2019s see; good parenting involves making her feel like a good artist. This is really <em>not<\/em> good art, but I will do what parents are supposed do and make her feel good about her lousy art.\u201d [Laughter] Now, that would be flattery or manipulative, artificial use of language to build a feeling into a child. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWouldn\u2019t it be better if you were the kind of person, who looked at that and said, \u201cAwesome! I feel so happy about this tree!\u201d You wouldn\u2019t have to use any words like, \u201cYou\u2019re a great artist,\u201d which would be a lie. You don\u2019t have to use that, because she <em>feels<\/em> your <em>joy<\/em>. That\u2019s what we need to be. We need to be people, who are so free from ourselves and so spontaneously delighting in every good and perfect gift from the Father, that every little thing she does that has any speck of virtue in it at all causes us to <em>brim<\/em> with gladness. She\u2019ll feel that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, in her sinful nature, she might take it to puff up her pride; but if God grants her a new nature, she will simply know: \u201cMy daddy delights in all that is right and good, so I should delight in all that is right and good,\u201d and \u201cGod is ultimately right and good.\u201d Exulting is a fixed routine\u2014it\u2019s a use of the mouth; it is full of <em>blessing<\/em>\u2014and I believe it is pointing her, every night, to a God, who never sleeps and will take care of her when daddy is gone. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> We serve a God, who never sleeps; such a great reminder. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJohn Piper is teaching us how to lead by example. When we are showing others how to do it, we are <em>actually<\/em> doing it. When you are looking for God in all of those details, and showing others God in those details, you are <em>praising<\/em> Him. The more we praise Him, the more we <em>want<\/em> to praise Him. As John said, \u201cDelighting in all that is right and good,\u201d well, God is, ultimately, right and good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have Sabbath; and we have church for studying God\u2019s Word, and glorifying God, and also for rest. Rest any day of the week is hard to do. What does rest on a Sabbath or rest on a Sunday mean, especially, when you have busy teenagers? Let\u2019s hear one perspective on that from Melissa Spoelstra. Melissa is a pastor\u2019s wife. She is a busy mom of four; she\u2019s a speaker, Bible study author, and passionate keeper of the fourth commandment: \u201cRemember the Sabbath and keep it holy.\u201d Sundays\/church days are our Sabbath. Here is Melissa. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> We decided, many years ago, to say, \u201cWhat would it look like for us to have a media-free day on Sundays?\u2014to say: \u201cNo phones,\u201d \u201cNo iPods.\u201d This happened for me, in one of those moments at home, where I noticed it was really quiet. I looked up over the top of my laptop. I saw two kids on devices; I saw my husband on his laptop and realized the other two kids were downstairs, watching TV. It wasn\u2019t one of those sweet momma moments, where you\u2019re cuddling with your kids or you\u2019ve just finished reading a story. It was one of those: \u201cWhat are we all doing? We\u2019re all in the same house and, yet, we\u2019re not connected.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Are you a <em>mean<\/em> mom?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> It is my kids\u2019 <em>least<\/em> favorite part of this whole spiritual rhythm. I mean, we are the meanest parents in the world, because we still do it. And did I mention my children\/my daughters were 16? The other day, they came home from church and, of course, they don\u2019t have their phones. They can barely survive without them, because they could\u2014the fear of missing something\/they could be missing something\u2014someone might be trying to get ahold of them. They\u2019re so used to being <em>constantly<\/em> notified\u2014notifications, notifications, notifications\u2014they almost don\u2019t know what to do in their own skin without that kind of a communication.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSarah, my daughter, says to me, \u201cWhat are we supposed to do?! I\u2019m <em>bored<\/em>. I don\u2019t know what to do.\u201d [Laughter] We\u2019re laying around on the couches in the living room. I said, \u201cWell, Sarah, why don\u2019t you tell us a story?\u201d She said, \u201cOnce upon a time there were two really mean parents, who took away their kids\u2019 phones for <em>no<\/em> reason at all!\u201d [Laughter] And we all laughed. You know what happened?\u2014we all fell asleep on those couches. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI woke up before everyone else, and I looked at my sleeping children\u2014because they\u2019re at their best\u2014right? [Laughter] We love to watch our kids sleep: they\u2019re so beautiful, and we cherish them. I thought, \u201cThere\u2019s a reason that we\u2019re unplugging: because we\u2019re <em>tired<\/em>. We run <em>so<\/em> hard. Our Creator God knows us, and He made us, and <em>designed<\/em> us for rest. I mean, if He really wanted to get the point across, He could put it in the days of creation\u2014maybe he could put it in the Ten Commandments\u2014maybe He could talk about it throughout the prophets if He thought it was important.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh, wait!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Oh, wait! Then where\u2019s that passage about Jesus being in a hurry?\u2014you know that one verse about\u2014oh, wait!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s not in there; is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> There\u2019s not one either. Jesus did <em>not<\/em> take away the concept of <em>rest<\/em>. He did fulfil the Sabbath\u2014it is not a mandated law that it has to look a certain way\u2014but He certainly did not come and obliterate the concept that we were created to <em>rest<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> We were created to rest because, remember at creation, God rested on the seventh day. Our fourth commandment is: \u201cRemember the Sabbath and keep it holy.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, we need to take a break; but when we come back, I am going to talk with Hannah Anderson, who is also a pastor\u2019s wife, and talk to her about what Sundays\/what Sabbath looks like in their home. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Radio Station Break] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Welcome back to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. Today, we\u2019ve been talking about: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\twhat our Sabbath and our Sundays should look like; and really, why we go to church; \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\twe\u2019ve tackled knowing just what the Bible is and why we need to know it; \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\talso, how to glorify God: \u201cWhat does that look like?\u201d \u201cHow does that play out in our families?\u201d; \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\tand we talked about my favorite thing\u2014<em>resting<\/em>\u2014just taking a break. \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><p>\n\t\t\t\tI know there is a lot more that we could be talking about\u2014about what a Sunday is for\u2014but to help us consider Sundays from a pastor\u2019s wife\u2019s standpoint, I decided to call my friend, Hannah Anderson. Hannah is a pastor\u2019s wife\/a mom; she is the author of several books; she is a writer of articles for various blogs and publications; and she is an <em>awesome<\/em> thinker. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHannah, welcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> Hi, Michelle; it\u2019s so <em>good<\/em> to be with you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I am so excited to talk with you. I\u2014you know, I\u2019m just\u2014as we\u2019ve been talking today about the Sabbath, and what Sundays look like, what comes to mind for <em>you<\/em> when you think of a Sabbath? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s not Sunday. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I bet not because Sundays are a day of work for you; isn\u2019t it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> It is, and it\u2019s\u2014I guess the best way to describe Sunday in a pastor\u2019s home is\u2014if you\u2019re on Facebook<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014and you see the relationships status options; and one of them is: \u201cIt\u2019s complicated,\u201d\u2014Sundays for us, as a pastor\u2019s family, are best described as #ItsComplicated. Because at one level, it is a day of worship for us; but it also has a lot happening in the backend for us in terms of behind-the-scenes work. Sunday is a day of <em>work<\/em> for my husband and even for me as a pastor\u2019s wife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the first things that happens for us, as a family, is that we\u2019re not necessarily together\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> \u2014in our experience of Sunday morning. We are all <em>there<\/em> in the same place, but we\u2019re not riding in the car together down to the church. We\u2019re not coming home together. We are not sitting as a family together; and I think that, for me, that may be one of the biggest differences. Where, in a lot of people\u2019s experience, Sunday morning worship or church is really associated as a family time, where you can all be together, worshipping God. For us, it\u2019s a little more fragmented\u2014where we are all <em>there<\/em>\u2014but it\u2019s not a time for us to be together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So when do you get your day of rest? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> Well, my husband and I tend to take Monday off. But with our family, our children are in a traditional school settings; so they don\u2019t get Monday off. We don\u2019t always have our rest <em>together<\/em> as a family. We do try to make time for them, separately, to make sure they are resting; because I don\u2019t think we always think of Sabbath as something that children need because they have so much energy. We just think, \u201cWell, they need to be busy.\u201d Children need downtime too. My husband and I tend to take a personal Sabbath on Mondays. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got to admit, coming from my standpoint: when I see my pastor\u2019s wife, I think, \u201cOh, okay; she gets the kids ready for church, and she comes.\u201d Our pastor\u2019s wife actually helps in leading worship, but it adds a complexity layer when you have children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> It does. The same resources that you are using for leading and pastoring are the same resources that you are using for parenting. It\u2019s like this nurturing, discipleship component. My husband and I have talked a lot about that, where sometimes those resources feel depleted, because you are\u2014you are using them for parenting, but you are also using them for ministry\u2014that was something that I did not anticipate; I <em>never<\/em> expected that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So how do you guys\u2014I mean, other than getting away for a weekend or something like that\u2014how do you guys get refreshed? Or do you have someone who is building into <em>you<\/em>? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Hannah:<\/strong> Well, we learned, pretty quickly on, to be okay with boundaries. There are sometimes like our family and our children just cannot go to everything the church is doing. While there would be people, who would expect us to, we learned that we just had to put those boundaries in place and be okay with them. We do safeguard some of that, because we are not doing this work for the approval of men. We can make those choices, more before the Lord, and say, \u201cDo our children need to stay home from this event?\u201d \u201cIf they stay home, then I need to stay home with them; and that\u2019s going to have to be okay.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Some of that, honestly, was forced upon us; because our middle child is on the autism spectrum. Learning his limits, we learned to embrace them as our family\u2019s limits. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I bet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> We realized that, if God is sovereign and He allowed this for our son\u2019s life, that those limits were not limits that we should ignore. We had to give attention to them. That really helped us learn the boundaries of not pushing past limits to begin with; but also, not feeling guilty when you need to take that time. Sometimes, with our son, we\u2019ve just told people, \u201cI\u2019m sorry he has seen too many people today. He cannot be around any more people.\u201d [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Sometimes, that\u2019s got to be nice, too\u2014it\u2019s then you can escape, too\u2014where it\u2019s like: \u201cHey, it\u2019s him; it really is him we are caring for. But you know, it\u2019s kind of nice that <em>I<\/em> get to escape too.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> I think that is what he has contributed. We have realized that we can see his limits so clearly that they have highlighted our own limits; because then, when I do stay home, I think, \u201cOh, I needed that.\u201d Now, I <em>wouldn\u2019t<\/em> have done that if it were left to me\u2014and pushed through and ministered and served\u2014but then, once it happens, I think, \u201cOh, that was something I should have given attention to.\u201d His limits <em>forced<\/em> us to realize that about ourselves. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe do have\u2014as far as people pouring into our lives\u2014we have built relationships with other folks in the community, that may not be in our church\/so we have really close friends, who are in another church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> We have good relationships with the other pastors and ministers in the area. There is that sense of shared understanding, mutual care\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014which helps a lot\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014to be able to talk through stuff; and for someone to say, \u201cI get it; I know <em>exactly<\/em> what you are going through.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, Hannah, thank you so much for spending a few minutes with us and just helping us understand\u2014giving us an eye a little bit or a view into\u2014the life of a pastor\u2019s family. It\u2019s invaluable as we appreciate those who serve us every Sunday. Thank you so much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> Thank you for having me, Michelle. It\u2019s been <em>wonderful<\/em> to share. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Always good to have Hannah Anderson on <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. Hey, next week, we are going to hear from the next generation, Generation Z. Each generation has its significant critics, and Generation Z does, too; but you know, God is doing some <em>incredible<\/em> work through a couple of young people who want to reach their generation with the gospel. Jordan Whitmer and Emma Mae Jenkins will join me. I can guarantee you that it will be encouraging and inspiring. I hope you can join us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, thanks for listening! I want to thank the president of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, David Robbins, along with the cofounder, Dennis Rainey, and our station partners around the country. A big \u201cThank you,\u201d today to Keith Lynch, our engineer; thanks to our producers, Marques Holt and Bruce Goff. 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Rainey, John Piper, Melissa Spoelstra, and Hannah Anderson give their perspective on how to best honor the Sabbath and keep it holy.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/flw\/flw2021-10-16.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> If you think that resting on the Sabbath is an old-fashioned Jewish law, well, you need to think again. Here is Melissa Spoelstra. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Jesus did <em>not<\/em> take away the concept of <em>rest<\/em>. He did fulfill the Sabbath\u2014it is not a mandated law that it has to look a certain way\u2014but He certainly did not come and obliterate the concept that we were created to <em>rest<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> We\u2019re going to talk about what church is for and what Sabbath is for on this edition of <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I\u2019m Michelle Hill. You know, last week, we talked about Pastor Appreciation Month because October <em>is<\/em> Pastor Appreciation Month. Well, this week, I wanted to talk about <em>church<\/em> and some of the reasons why we go to church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWhy do <em>you<\/em> go to church?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lady:<\/strong> The main reason I go to church is because I love the Lord, but I also enjoy the worship and praise and getting together with the other saints. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Man:<\/strong> I go to church because that\u2019s where I\u2019m fed, where I fellowship, and where I learn to grow closer to God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Second Man:<\/strong> I\u2019m involved in several families\u2019 lives in my own church and serving. It\u2019s not about what I can receive from the message but what I can do to help impart that to others and help them in their journey with Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You know, church really isn\u2019t about <em>you<\/em>; it\u2019s about <em>God<\/em>. In fact, all of life is about the One who made us because we are His. On Sundays, we learn about Him; we glorify Him; and we <em>rest<\/em> in Him. I want us to take a look about learning about Him today; where better to do that than to open His Word? <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA while back, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey shared a list of what the Bible is about. His list goes like this: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Bible tells us who God is and what He is like, what pleases God, and how we should relate and respond to God. It explains God\u2019s love for us. The Bible shows us the way to have a relationship with God, and it teaches us how to live. At the right time, it instructs us on how to die. The Bible gives our soul God\u2019s nutrients for spiritual growth; and it convicts us of wrong choices, wrong attitudes, wrong perspective. The Bible gives us the standard for moral judgement, and it replaces our wishbone with a backbone by giving us moral convictions. The Bible is the truth: the unchanging truth, the mighty truth, God\u2019s truth for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, without God\u2019s power in our lives, we are like a ship out to sea on a stormy night; because the Bible is our navigational tool in this life. That kind of reminds me of a conversation that Bob Lepine and Dennis Rainey had, not so long ago, that illustrates this idea of biblical authority. Here is Dennis. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> A young army pilot by the name of Carl Crane got caught in the clouds about 8,000 feet above Detroit while he was trying to fly a congressman\u2019s son back to Washington, DC. He was flying a bi-plane. Now, I want to read what he said: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn a short time I was losing altitude, completely out of control. I couldn\u2019t fly the airplane at all. It had gotten into a spiral dive; and about halfway down, I looked around at the boy behind me. He was enjoying the flight to no end! He was shaking his hands and grinning, and I was slowly dying because I knew we were about to crash. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCrane did not know which wing was up or down, let alone, by how much. He goes on: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFinally, it had got down under a thousand feet. I said, \u201cWell, here we go. I\u2019m going to look at this boy one more time.\u201d As I turned around to look at him, a sign went by my wing; it said Statler Hotel. I had just missed the top of the Statler Hotel in Detroit. In all the mist and rain, I could see the buildings and the streets. I righted the plane and flew down the street and got over the Detroit River and flew about ten feet high all the way back to Toledo, shaking all the way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, what the Scriptures are\u2014the Scriptures are those points of perspective\u2014those anchor points that tell us: \u201cThis is right-side up.\u201d They explain to us why we behave the way we behave\u2014why we make sinful, selfish choices\u2014and what we can do about them. If we will but obey them and follow the Scriptures, like that pilot followed the river, we can have a safe landing. It may be bumpy; there may be some jostling about that takes place during flight, but we\u2019re going to get home safely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> And it\u2019s the Bible that helps get us home safely, because it teaches us about God. On Sundays, and <em>every<\/em> day, we need God\u2019s Word to guide us and to teach us. At church, we should also be worshipping God\u2014we should be getting caught up in who He is and all that He has done\u2014we need to behold Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJohn Piper, for many years, was pastor at Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis, Minnesota. He is a well-known author and speaker. A while back, John Piper stopped by FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. He shared with our staff how Christ knew we needed to know Him to really <em>know<\/em> Him. Pastor Piper spoke to us out of the book of John, the place where Jesus was praying to God the night before His crucifixion. He said these words: \u201cFather, I desire that they also whom You have given Me may be with Me where I am, to see My glory that You have given Me because You love Me before the foundation of the world.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>But Pastor Piper also talked about how we can help those around us to properly understand and grasp the awe of God. Here is John Piper. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Recorded Message] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> What is the most loving prayer request that Christ could make for you? Answer: \u201cFather, let them see My glory.\u201d If that\u2019s the most loving request He could make, then that He be glorious is essential to love\/that He be displayed as glorious is essential to an act of love; because if we didn\u2019t have Him to look at\u2014if He were somehow clouded, not on display\u2014we would be the losers!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOkay, I want to think about relating this to families. How do we help enthrall our wives and husbands? Me: \u201cHow do I help No\u00ebl be enthralled with Christ?\u201d and \u201cHow do I help my daughter, Talitha, be <em>enthralled<\/em> with Christ?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s my goal. My little girl is a sinner, and she is dead in trespasses and sins unless she is born again. I don\u2019t know yet whether she is born again at 8 years old: I see some evidences, but I see evidences to the contrary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy prayer is that God would awaken her from the dead and incline her heart to Christ: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\u201cIncline us to Your Word, O God,\u201d \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t<li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\u201cOpen our eyes to see wonderful things out of Your law,\u201d \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t<li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\u201cUnite our hearts to fear Your Name,\u201d \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t<li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\u201cSatisfy us in the morning with Your steadfast love.\u201d \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><p>\n\t\t\t\tThose four prayers\u2014I.O.U.S.\u2014I pray those for myself every day, and I pray them for my little girl. Only a supernatural work can make her be happy in God more than me and her mother. That is what conversion will mean. That is <em>highly<\/em> unnatural and, therefore, a miracle and, therefore, to be prayed for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith regard to speaking\u2014oh, my; the tongue\u2014oh, the power of the tongue in marriage and in child-rearing! James\u2014the power of the tongue for evil and the power of the tongue for good\u2014oh my! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just give you a few bullets here of the tongue. Maybe, I\u2019ll leave the show for later: \u201cPray, speak, show.\u201d Exult around your wife, your spouse, and your children, spontaneously, in all the glories and gifts of Christ. How few homes have exulting parents! Do you know what exult means? \u201cIsn\u2019t it a beautiful day, Talitha?! God gave us a <em>beautiful<\/em> day,\u201d\u2014exult in the gifts of God and the glories of God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, you\u2019ve got to pray like crazy to be that kind of person. This is not artificial. I asked No\u00ebl this morning, \u201cWhat is the opposite of flattery?\u201d I think a lot of parents use flattery to make their kids feel loved. I mean, the word, \u201cflattery,\u201d exists in the English language because there is this reality that\u2019s bad. It\u2019s a use of language and compliment that is <em>bad<\/em>. There is a bad way to compliment people; it\u2019s called flattery. What is the <em>opposite<\/em>? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are <em>several<\/em> opposites as No\u00ebl pointed out this morning\u2014but the one I\u2019m most interested in is\u2014I think the opposite of flattery is spontaneous enjoyment of everything good you see in your child: makes her first little tree\u2014round with a stick in the bottom\u2014\u201cThat\u2019s beautiful!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I could either be a manipulative, self-esteem builder at this point, thinking, \u201cNow, let\u2019s see; good parenting involves making her feel like a good artist. This is really <em>not<\/em> good art, but I will do what parents are supposed do and make her feel good about her lousy art.\u201d [Laughter] Now, that would be flattery or manipulative, artificial use of language to build a feeling into a child. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWouldn\u2019t it be better if you were the kind of person, who looked at that and said, \u201cAwesome! I feel so happy about this tree!\u201d You wouldn\u2019t have to use any words like, \u201cYou\u2019re a great artist,\u201d which would be a lie. You don\u2019t have to use that, because she <em>feels<\/em> your <em>joy<\/em>. That\u2019s what we need to be. We need to be people, who are so free from ourselves and so spontaneously delighting in every good and perfect gift from the Father, that every little thing she does that has any speck of virtue in it at all causes us to <em>brim<\/em> with gladness. She\u2019ll feel that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, in her sinful nature, she might take it to puff up her pride; but if God grants her a new nature, she will simply know: \u201cMy daddy delights in all that is right and good, so I should delight in all that is right and good,\u201d and \u201cGod is ultimately right and good.\u201d Exulting is a fixed routine\u2014it\u2019s a use of the mouth; it is full of <em>blessing<\/em>\u2014and I believe it is pointing her, every night, to a God, who never sleeps and will take care of her when daddy is gone. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> We serve a God, who never sleeps; such a great reminder. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJohn Piper is teaching us how to lead by example. When we are showing others how to do it, we are <em>actually<\/em> doing it. When you are looking for God in all of those details, and showing others God in those details, you are <em>praising<\/em> Him. The more we praise Him, the more we <em>want<\/em> to praise Him. As John said, \u201cDelighting in all that is right and good,\u201d well, God is, ultimately, right and good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have Sabbath; and we have church for studying God\u2019s Word, and glorifying God, and also for rest. Rest any day of the week is hard to do. What does rest on a Sabbath or rest on a Sunday mean, especially, when you have busy teenagers? Let\u2019s hear one perspective on that from Melissa Spoelstra. Melissa is a pastor\u2019s wife. She is a busy mom of four; she\u2019s a speaker, Bible study author, and passionate keeper of the fourth commandment: \u201cRemember the Sabbath and keep it holy.\u201d Sundays\/church days are our Sabbath. Here is Melissa. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> We decided, many years ago, to say, \u201cWhat would it look like for us to have a media-free day on Sundays?\u2014to say: \u201cNo phones,\u201d \u201cNo iPods.\u201d This happened for me, in one of those moments at home, where I noticed it was really quiet. I looked up over the top of my laptop. I saw two kids on devices; I saw my husband on his laptop and realized the other two kids were downstairs, watching TV. It wasn\u2019t one of those sweet momma moments, where you\u2019re cuddling with your kids or you\u2019ve just finished reading a story. It was one of those: \u201cWhat are we all doing? We\u2019re all in the same house and, yet, we\u2019re not connected.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Are you a <em>mean<\/em> mom?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> It is my kids\u2019 <em>least<\/em> favorite part of this whole spiritual rhythm. I mean, we are the meanest parents in the world, because we still do it. And did I mention my children\/my daughters were 16? The other day, they came home from church and, of course, they don\u2019t have their phones. They can barely survive without them, because they could\u2014the fear of missing something\/they could be missing something\u2014someone might be trying to get ahold of them. They\u2019re so used to being <em>constantly<\/em> notified\u2014notifications, notifications, notifications\u2014they almost don\u2019t know what to do in their own skin without that kind of a communication.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSarah, my daughter, says to me, \u201cWhat are we supposed to do?! I\u2019m <em>bored<\/em>. I don\u2019t know what to do.\u201d [Laughter] We\u2019re laying around on the couches in the living room. I said, \u201cWell, Sarah, why don\u2019t you tell us a story?\u201d She said, \u201cOnce upon a time there were two really mean parents, who took away their kids\u2019 phones for <em>no<\/em> reason at all!\u201d [Laughter] And we all laughed. You know what happened?\u2014we all fell asleep on those couches. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI woke up before everyone else, and I looked at my sleeping children\u2014because they\u2019re at their best\u2014right? [Laughter] We love to watch our kids sleep: they\u2019re so beautiful, and we cherish them. I thought, \u201cThere\u2019s a reason that we\u2019re unplugging: because we\u2019re <em>tired<\/em>. We run <em>so<\/em> hard. Our Creator God knows us, and He made us, and <em>designed<\/em> us for rest. I mean, if He really wanted to get the point across, He could put it in the days of creation\u2014maybe he could put it in the Ten Commandments\u2014maybe He could talk about it throughout the prophets if He thought it was important.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh, wait!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Oh, wait! Then where\u2019s that passage about Jesus being in a hurry?\u2014you know that one verse about\u2014oh, wait!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s not in there; is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> There\u2019s not one either. Jesus did <em>not<\/em> take away the concept of <em>rest<\/em>. He did fulfil the Sabbath\u2014it is not a mandated law that it has to look a certain way\u2014but He certainly did not come and obliterate the concept that we were created to <em>rest<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> We were created to rest because, remember at creation, God rested on the seventh day. Our fourth commandment is: \u201cRemember the Sabbath and keep it holy.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, we need to take a break; but when we come back, I am going to talk with Hannah Anderson, who is also a pastor\u2019s wife, and talk to her about what Sundays\/what Sabbath looks like in their home. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Radio Station Break] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Welcome back to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. Today, we\u2019ve been talking about: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\twhat our Sabbath and our Sundays should look like; and really, why we go to church; \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\twe\u2019ve tackled knowing just what the Bible is and why we need to know it; \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\talso, how to glorify God: \u201cWhat does that look like?\u201d \u201cHow does that play out in our families?\u201d; \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><ul><li>\n\t\t\t\t\tand we talked about my favorite thing\u2014<em>resting<\/em>\u2014just taking a break. \n\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t<\/ul><p>\n\t\t\t\tI know there is a lot more that we could be talking about\u2014about what a Sunday is for\u2014but to help us consider Sundays from a pastor\u2019s wife\u2019s standpoint, I decided to call my friend, Hannah Anderson. Hannah is a pastor\u2019s wife\/a mom; she is the author of several books; she is a writer of articles for various blogs and publications; and she is an <em>awesome<\/em> thinker. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHannah, welcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> Hi, Michelle; it\u2019s so <em>good<\/em> to be with you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I am so excited to talk with you. I\u2014you know, I\u2019m just\u2014as we\u2019ve been talking today about the Sabbath, and what Sundays look like, what comes to mind for <em>you<\/em> when you think of a Sabbath? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s not Sunday. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I bet not because Sundays are a day of work for you; isn\u2019t it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> It is, and it\u2019s\u2014I guess the best way to describe Sunday in a pastor\u2019s home is\u2014if you\u2019re on Facebook<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014and you see the relationships status options; and one of them is: \u201cIt\u2019s complicated,\u201d\u2014Sundays for us, as a pastor\u2019s family, are best described as #ItsComplicated. Because at one level, it is a day of worship for us; but it also has a lot happening in the backend for us in terms of behind-the-scenes work. Sunday is a day of <em>work<\/em> for my husband and even for me as a pastor\u2019s wife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the first things that happens for us, as a family, is that we\u2019re not necessarily together\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> \u2014in our experience of Sunday morning. We are all <em>there<\/em> in the same place, but we\u2019re not riding in the car together down to the church. We\u2019re not coming home together. We are not sitting as a family together; and I think that, for me, that may be one of the biggest differences. Where, in a lot of people\u2019s experience, Sunday morning worship or church is really associated as a family time, where you can all be together, worshipping God. For us, it\u2019s a little more fragmented\u2014where we are all <em>there<\/em>\u2014but it\u2019s not a time for us to be together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So when do you get your day of rest? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> Well, my husband and I tend to take Monday off. But with our family, our children are in a traditional school settings; so they don\u2019t get Monday off. We don\u2019t always have our rest <em>together<\/em> as a family. We do try to make time for them, separately, to make sure they are resting; because I don\u2019t think we always think of Sabbath as something that children need because they have so much energy. We just think, \u201cWell, they need to be busy.\u201d Children need downtime too. My husband and I tend to take a personal Sabbath on Mondays. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got to admit, coming from my standpoint: when I see my pastor\u2019s wife, I think, \u201cOh, okay; she gets the kids ready for church, and she comes.\u201d Our pastor\u2019s wife actually helps in leading worship, but it adds a complexity layer when you have children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> It does. The same resources that you are using for leading and pastoring are the same resources that you are using for parenting. It\u2019s like this nurturing, discipleship component. My husband and I have talked a lot about that, where sometimes those resources feel depleted, because you are\u2014you are using them for parenting, but you are also using them for ministry\u2014that was something that I did not anticipate; I <em>never<\/em> expected that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So how do you guys\u2014I mean, other than getting away for a weekend or something like that\u2014how do you guys get refreshed? Or do you have someone who is building into <em>you<\/em>? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Hannah:<\/strong> Well, we learned, pretty quickly on, to be okay with boundaries. There are sometimes like our family and our children just cannot go to everything the church is doing. While there would be people, who would expect us to, we learned that we just had to put those boundaries in place and be okay with them. We do safeguard some of that, because we are not doing this work for the approval of men. We can make those choices, more before the Lord, and say, \u201cDo our children need to stay home from this event?\u201d \u201cIf they stay home, then I need to stay home with them; and that\u2019s going to have to be okay.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Some of that, honestly, was forced upon us; because our middle child is on the autism spectrum. Learning his limits, we learned to embrace them as our family\u2019s limits. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I bet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> We realized that, if God is sovereign and He allowed this for our son\u2019s life, that those limits were not limits that we should ignore. We had to give attention to them. That really helped us learn the boundaries of not pushing past limits to begin with; but also, not feeling guilty when you need to take that time. Sometimes, with our son, we\u2019ve just told people, \u201cI\u2019m sorry he has seen too many people today. He cannot be around any more people.\u201d [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Sometimes, that\u2019s got to be nice, too\u2014it\u2019s then you can escape, too\u2014where it\u2019s like: \u201cHey, it\u2019s him; it really is him we are caring for. But you know, it\u2019s kind of nice that <em>I<\/em> get to escape too.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> I think that is what he has contributed. We have realized that we can see his limits so clearly that they have highlighted our own limits; because then, when I do stay home, I think, \u201cOh, I needed that.\u201d Now, I <em>wouldn\u2019t<\/em> have done that if it were left to me\u2014and pushed through and ministered and served\u2014but then, once it happens, I think, \u201cOh, that was something I should have given attention to.\u201d His limits <em>forced<\/em> us to realize that about ourselves. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe do have\u2014as far as people pouring into our lives\u2014we have built relationships with other folks in the community, that may not be in our church\/so we have really close friends, who are in another church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> We have good relationships with the other pastors and ministers in the area. There is that sense of shared understanding, mutual care\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014which helps a lot\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014to be able to talk through stuff; and for someone to say, \u201cI get it; I know <em>exactly<\/em> what you are going through.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, Hannah, thank you so much for spending a few minutes with us and just helping us understand\u2014giving us an eye a little bit or a view into\u2014the life of a pastor\u2019s family. It\u2019s invaluable as we appreciate those who serve us every Sunday. Thank you so much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hannah:<\/strong> Thank you for having me, Michelle. It\u2019s been <em>wonderful<\/em> to share. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Always good to have Hannah Anderson on <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. Hey, next week, we are going to hear from the next generation, Generation Z. Each generation has its significant critics, and Generation Z does, too; but you know, God is doing some <em>incredible<\/em> work through a couple of young people who want to reach their generation with the gospel. Jordan Whitmer and Emma Mae Jenkins will join me. I can guarantee you that it will be encouraging and inspiring. I hope you can join us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, thanks for listening! I want to thank the president of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, David Robbins, along with the cofounder, Dennis Rainey, and our station partners around the country. A big \u201cThank you,\u201d today to Keith Lynch, our engineer; thanks to our producers, Marques Holt and Bruce Goff. 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