{"id":307198,"date":"2021-08-13T07:00:04","date_gmt":"2021-08-13T11:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-passing-of-wynter\/"},"modified":"2021-08-13T07:00:04","modified_gmt":"2021-08-13T11:00:04","slug":"the-passing-of-wynter","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-passing-of-wynter\/","title":{"rendered":"The Passing of Wynter"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jonathan Pitts was married to his wife, Wynter, for many years, as they served in ministry together. 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[Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Of course, I\u2019d have to say the Bible; but another book. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019d pick up a romance love story\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> What?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014not like a <em>woman\u2019s<\/em> love story\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You usually do like a <em>thriller<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I like to <em>go<\/em> to thriller movies; but when I read, I want to read something tender and beautiful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; you\u2019re getting soft in your old age.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I am, and I\u2019ll cry and cry\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You will cry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014when I read, but not when I <em>tell<\/em> the story. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We talked earlier about this <em>amazing<\/em> love story with Jonathan Pitts and his wife, Wynter; and we\u2019re going to continue that journey. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s a beautiful, beautiful love story. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It is. Jonathan, welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> It\u2019s good to be with you guys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Welcome back. We\u2019ve loved hearing the beginning of this story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; Jonathan\u2019s been in Nashville for a few years; in fact, it\u2019s sort of interesting\u2014our son sort of interviewed with you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014Cody, a few years back, at Church of the City in Nashville. You\u2019ve done all kinds of things there; you were in Dallas before that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you\u2019ve written how many books now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> This is my third. I coauthored two books with Wynter: one on parenting and one on marriage. This is my first solo book, I guess you could say. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We\u2019ve already talked about, so we don\u2019t need to go back all the way through it, an amazing story of you and Wynter falling in love and then the sudden death of her after 15 years of marriage. You\u2019ve got four daughters; you walked us through that a little bit previously. Take us back to\u2014you mentioned her sudden death\u2014but some of us are like, \u201cHow\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> She died in your arms; what happened? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Was she healthy before this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> Yes; Wynter was reasonably healthy. She had what\u2019s called mitral valve prolapse. She had a heart murmur that she knew about. We would go to a cardiologist every year to check on this murmur; and they would say, \u201cYes, your heart doesn\u2019t look like it\u2019s growing\u2014it\u2019s the same size\u2014you\u2019re fine. Eventually, you\u2019ll probably need replacement or repair; but right now, you\u2019re fine.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019d gone to the cardiologist less than a year before, and they said the same thing. She also had a blood clotting disorder called Factor V, which was basically she had thicker blood than most people. Anyway, she was healthy; and we were in the middle of a big move to Nashville from Dallas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You said she wasn\u2019t feeling well that day\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> Yes, she texted me that day probably. I was finishing up my last week of work; and I was just busy, running around, getting things done. She texted me: \u201cI feel\u201d and sent me the sick emoji. I just replied and said, \u201cWhat\u2019s going on?\u201d and she never responded. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI turned in the final edited manuscript of <em>Emptied<\/em>, our marriage book. I headed home, and stopped at Costco<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> on the way and got some ribs and Caesar salad, which I\u2019ll never get those things from Costco again; you can imagine why. Got back to the house we were staying at; and she was sitting in the living room of that house, with my sister-in-law\/her brother\u2019s wife; and then my three youngest girls and her two girls were there; and they were all doing each other\u2019s hair, like different girls doing each other\u2019s hair. And they were playing some game\u2014I still to this day don\u2019t know what it is\u2014they\u2019d say: \u201cYou can be an elephant, but you can\u2019t be a this,\u201d or \u201cYou can be a that\u2026\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> I don\u2019t even know what that game is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan: <\/strong>I don\u2019t even remember if we talked much. We kind of walked by each other; and she said, \u201cI\u2019m going to lay down for a little bit\u201d. She went and laid down, and I just prepared\/prepared, a strong word for getting ribs and salad ready from Costco. [Laughter]Got plates ready, and went and knocked on the door, and said, \u201cHey, babe, do you want to eat dinner?\u201d And she said, \u201cNo; I think I\u2019m just going to lay here for a little while.\u201d I said, \u201cOkay.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI went back; I just ate with the girls\u2014my oldest daughter was not there\u2014she was at a water park. Anyway, I went into the bedroom after I was finished eating. The girls were still sitting down, finishing up. Went to floss my teeth, so I went through the master into the bathroom and flossed my teeth. As I kind of looked out, Wynter had sat up. She was facing away from me; and then she just kind of slumped over in a way almost like\u2014you know that feeling\u2014when you want to lay down; you don\u2019t feel like getting out of bed\u2014she just like fell back over. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBottom line: she had a cardiac reaction. To me, it looked like a seizure; so I just started doing all the things. I\u2019m an Eagle Scout; so I\u2019m checking her pulse and sweeping her throat, trying to figure out what was going on. Eventually, I ended up doing CPR on this tiny-framed 5\u2019-nothing, 100-nothing lb. woman, who was my wife. It was just one of the hardest things I\u2019ve ever had to do. Called the paramedics. We were out in the middle of nowhere; so it took probably, at least 15 minutes; it felt like a half hour for them to get there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo by the time they got there, I\u2019m thinking, as an Eagle Scout that\u2019s been trained, you can only go so long without oxygen getting to your brain. I\u2019m praying for a miracle on one side of my mind; and on the other side, I\u2019m just preparing for: \u201cWhat do I do if I lose my wife?\u201d The whole time, I\u2019m telling Wynter, like, \u201cDon\u2019t leave me. Don\u2019t leave. Stay with me. Stay with me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe followed the ambulance to the emergency room. I\u2019m still praying; texting my mom\/texting a couple of people, asking them to pray. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Were you scared, at that point, that you might lose her? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> I don\u2019t even know if fear is the right word. I was aware that I might lose her. And whatever state I was in, it was heightened; but I wouldn\u2019t call it fear. I wouldn\u2019t call it peace. Whatever it was\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Probably <em>shock<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> \u2014yes, maybe shock. It was heightened awareness that I\u2019m either going to lose her or God\u2019s going to perform a crazy miracle. Either way, there is going to be some massive story here. I didn\u2019t know what was going to happen. I just was being really practical, which made me feel lacking in faith; and then trying to press into my faith and feeling shame for doubt. It was like both things happening at the same time. And what\u2019s really beautiful is seeing God\u2019s faithfulness in the shadow of grief. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the families I texted\u2014really beautiful family\u2014Greg and Val Gorman. [Emotion in voice] Val is a General Surgeon at the hospital they took us to. Really beautiful friends of ours\u2014good friends at that point\u2014still good friends of mine. Anyway, I texted Greg and Val and said, \u201cWynter\u2019s not breathing.\u201d Greg actually said Val was either there or on her way, so I wouldn\u2019t see her when I got there; but Greg would literally come and just embrace me and just tell me that God\u2019s got me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then Val\u2014I would find this out later through a post that Alena posted on Instagram<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014that Val would walk up to her, and grab her by her face, and say, \u201cYou serve a big God\u2014a big, big God\u2014don\u2019t you ever forget it.\u201d Here is the General Surgeon of the hospital, walking up to my daughter, who she knows intimately, reminding her of the faithfulness of God. How do I not see God\u2019s faithfulness in that, you know? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA few minutes later\u2014I don\u2019t know if it was a doctor or some kind of attendant, still to this day\u2014walked out, said, \u201cHey,\u201d\u2014probably a doctor\u2014\u201cWe had a pulse, but we don\u2019t have a pulse any longer. You may want to come say goodbye to your wife.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So it was just you alone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> Yes; I knelt down beside her and I just said, \u201cI want you to know I\u2019m going to take care of the girls. You don\u2019t have to worry about our girls. I\u2019ll take care of them.\u201d And then I just began to sing that song. It\u2019s actually funny; I thought, \u201cI, now, know him.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> <em>Great Are You Lord<\/em>; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> \u2014yes, David Leonard, who wrote that song, is now a friend of mine; lives in Franklin, and has a studio less than a mile from my house\u2014just singing that to Wynter in the hospital. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think what I was doing in that moment was reminding her of where she was going; I was reminding myself of the truth. I\u2019ll always believed that: \u201cMy breath is God\u2019s; her breath is God\u2019s. He gives it; He takes it. We can trust Him in it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat\u2019s hard for me is that it was really traumatic; but what\u2019s beautiful is that, for Wynter, it was probably the most peaceful entrance into the kingdom of God that you could really experience. She really passed away in her sleep; it wasn\u2019t painful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s amazing. As we mentioned, we\u2019re talking to Jonathan Pitts, about this book, <em>My Wynter Season: Seeing God\u2019s Faithfulness in the Shadow of Grief<\/em>. All we\u2019ve heard so far is: \u201cGod\u2019s faithfulness,\u201d \u201cGod\u2019s faithfulness,\u201d \u201cGod\u2019s faithfulness in the middle of this darkness.\u201d So many times, when we go through darkness, we <em>don\u2019t<\/em> see that. It isn\u2019t that He isn\u2019t faithful; it\u2019s that we don\u2019t have eyes to see. And He kept, over and over, revealing Himself to you in the middle of this thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember reading the story of the devotional you picked up that morning; and then it hit you, later, about having an exit strategy\u2014another one\u2014right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> Yes; I woke up that morning, and I went to the bathroom before taking a run. I was just trying to wake myself up. What we often do is pull our phones out to kind of wake ourselves up; and there was a subject line that said: \u201cDo you have an exit strategy?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought it was about leadership transitions\u2014I\u2019m in non-profit leadership and dealing with pastors\u2014in my mind, it was an article about that; so I just left it on my phone and went about my day. That evening after\u2014I\u2019ll never forget going into the lobby of the hospital and not knowing what to do with myself\u2014I\u2019m in the waiting room. I think we\u2019re waiting for the funeral home that we had selected to show up, and maybe the county person responsible for marking death. I\u2019m waiting for all that stuff to happen, and so I just sat down with my phone. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had other people, who had my girls at that point\u2014other aunts\u2014there were so many women in my girls\u2019 lives at that point, which was her cousin Priscilla; her cousin Chrystal; her cousin-in-law Koneke, Jonathan Evans\u2019 wife; and then my sister-in-law Andrea\u2014all these women surrounding my girls, who have surrounded my girls since then\u2014which in moments, where I didn\u2019t know what to do, have been able to relieve me of my responsibility, even if just for a moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI sat down to scroll through my phone, and I pull up what I think is an article. I open it up; it\u2019s literally Randy Frazee, who is a pastor; and it\u2019s actually Bible Gateway devotional. Randy is telling the story of going water skiing for the first time. He says he\u2019s younger, and he finally figures out how to get up on his skis on this lake. He realizes, once he starts getting tired, \u201cI don\u2019t know how to get down.\u201d His friends are yelling in the back of the boat, \u201cJust let go of the rope,\u201d \u201cJust let go of the rope.\u201d And he\u2019s afraid, because he thinks he\u2019s going to crash\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> \u2014and break into a million pieces. And finally, he works up the courage to let go of the rope. He just basically\/for anybody who\u2019s gone water skiing, they know that you just slowly glide under the water: skis first, then your feet, and then your legs slowly glide under. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe used that as an illustration for the believer in Jesus of what it\u2019s like to die and what it\u2019s like to enter eternity. And I\u2019m telling you\u2014like that day, in my inbox, God dropped a devotional for what it looks like for someone to enter eternity, who loves Jesus\u2014I got to thank him, and that story is in the book as well. It\u2019s a reminder to me that God\u2019s timing is perfect. He knew that I would need that message. I ended up reading that devotional to all of our family at my brother-in-law\u2019s house around 1 in the morning that night, saying, \u201cThis is what God\u2019s given me. I think He wants everyone to hear it\u201d; and I read it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Talk about your girls, too, of how you saw God\u2019s faithfulness caring for them and watching over them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> It\u2019s funny; because I was this Type A pastor, who is like, \u201cI\u2019m going on to Nashville. I\u2019m going to pastor. We\u2019re going to be okay.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Are you kind of a planning, control guy?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> I was going to call myself an idiot, but planning\/control would be good too. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That sounds better. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> So we get to Nashville, and my church surrounded us really beautifully. I mean, even the fact that we were\u2014I\u2019ll just tell you this really quick\u2014I also got a call from my, now, boss, Darren Whitehead. Darren said, \u201cIf you guys decide to stay in Dallas, we\u2019ll pack your house up; we\u2019ll sell your house; we\u2019ll figure it out.\u201d But he said, \u201cBut if you come, you\u2019ll find a family ready to adopt you.\u201d And Church of the City has adopted us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Did you think, \u201cLet\u2019s not go\u201d? I mean, did that come into your mind?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> I thought, \u201cI need to be a good leader. I need to do what is best for my girls. I can keep my job with Tony Evans.\u201d I wasn\u2019t leaving because I had to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> All of our family is there; like, \u201cWhy would I leave this?\u201d Ultimately now, I can look back at it and know: \u201cI don\u2019t think I\u2019d know who I am in my own identity had we not left\u201d; because I\u2019d become like an Evans in a way. I still am; they are a beautiful family. They are my best friends; Dr. Evans is my spiritual dad. I see them all the time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I think God wanted me to find myself again and to allow my family to have our identity. I think, if we were in Dallas, it would have been hard to do that. I\u2019m sure it would happen, but it would have been hard to do that. We entered this church, where these people just want to love on us. In Nashville, everybody and their mother was doing everything for us. I couldn\u2019t take credit for it, nor could I ever pay it back, by the way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnyway, we found ourselves there with a lot of support. I\u2019m thinking, \u201cI\u2019m going to make this. I can do this.\u201d School hadn\u2019t started yet. Wynter died on July 24; we buried her on 29th I think. And then school started on the 14<sup>th<\/sup>. So these couple weeks, where I\u2019m in Nashville by myself; but I\u2019m not working yet, and they are not in school. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne night, I\u2019m cooking a chicken and I just burned this chicken that I\u2019m roasting. And I\u2019m not a bad cook, but I burned this chicken; and I was just frustrated. I remember going upstairs; and I called my sister, Carmen. The reason I called Carmen is because, the day of Wynter\u2019s funeral, Carmen had come to me at the end, at the dinner after the funeral, and said, \u201cHey, the Lord told me, if you need me, I\u2019m supposed to come to Nashville; so do you want me to come?\u201d I was like, \u201cWe\u2019re good, Carmen; don\u2019t worry about it. I\u2019m okay. We\u2019re going to make it. We\u2019re fine.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> But that burnt chicken\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> Yes; I called Carmen, in tears, and was like, \u201cIs that offer still on the table?\u201d Labor Day weekend, Carmen came to Nashville with three suitcases, had sold her car, and moved in with me. She was single\u2014never been married\u2014praying for family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You described her as Mary Poppins. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> Yes; Mary Poppins; she is an <em>amazing<\/em> Mary Poppins. She came in\u2014and the woman that my girls used to call Aunt Cee Cee\u2014they now, affectionately, call Cee Cee. And she became a part of our family\u2014a surrogate mom to the girls\u2014and has been\/seeing God\u2019s faithfulness in the shadow of grief. Carmen has a Master\u2019s degree in counseling. All she\u2019s ever done is work in the mental health space; that\u2019s what she\u2019s done! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I needed the mental health space stuff more than my girls did. She\u2019s just walked with me and walked with my girls and been a <em>beautiful<\/em> part of our family\u2014a godsend\u2014a new definition of what it looks like to be in singles\u2019 ministry: selfless and caring. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And she is still there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> Yes, she\u2019s with us now; she\u2019s with my girls. I\u2019ve got one girl, here in the studio with me; and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And she\u2019s back there, watching right now; she\u2019s waving. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> Yes, she\u2019s back there. I can\u2019t see her; she\u2019s behind me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s been a really beautiful season of recovery for us, and mission for her\/for my sister. My prayer is that my sister gets married\/she makes a beeline from me to whoever God gives her. Ultimately, she\u2019s been with us\u2014and she\u2019s been a faithful friend\/a faithful sister\u2014and a faithful sister in Christ to me and my girls. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s just beautiful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I just want to cry; I <em>am<\/em> crying! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> I try not to. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I want to talk about the future, because your sister is not going to be living with you in the <em>near<\/em> future. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What is on the horizon?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> My 40<sup>th<\/sup> birthday was in March of 2020. I had this Pebble Beach trip planned to go play golf in Pebble Beach. I had another trip to Florida to play golf. I\u2019m like, \u201cI\u2019m celebrating! I\u2019ve gone through a lot; I\u2019m celebrating.\u201d And COVID cancelled my birthday. Interestingly enough, it was beautiful. That night, my girls made me a red velvet cake and a key lime pie\u2014but the pictures\u2014I look so depressed. I just lost Pebble Beach, you know. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I had a friend of mine\u2014a guy I\u2019d recently met about a year before then\u2014reach out to me and say, \u201cHey, are you dating again?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cNo; not really. I\u2019m kind of dating golf. I\u2019m loving my singlehood; maybe I\u2019ll just do this the rest of my life.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Golf is not a good date unless you\u2019re good; you know? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> Well, I was getting better at that point. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Okay; good. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan: <\/strong>Anyway, he asked me that. I said, \u201cYou know, if God has something for me, then great; but I\u2019m not out searching. I\u2019m just taking care of my girls.\u201d And he said, \u201cWell, I\u2019ve got a friend; she is 40. She\u2019s single; she loves Jesus. Then he showed me a picture of her. I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat would that 40-year-old, single, beautiful, Jesus-lover want with a widowed dad of four\/pastor in Nashville?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd he said, \u201cWhat you think is a liability is an asset,\u201d and kind of rebuked me. Long story short: 41 days after my 40<sup>th<\/sup> birthday, I did a Zoom call with this girl. My story is big; her story is big\u2014both big Jesus stories\u2014and we just connected over our stories. Basically, God stopped the world so I could meet\u2014her name is Peta\u2014meet Peta. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s what happened?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Is that why God did this? Is the pandemic\/it\u2019s all about you; huh? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> Sorry, guys; sorry for the rest of you!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t mean to make light of\/obviously, of the loss and all of that; but in a way, she was without work based on COVID, and God allowed us to spend <em>crazy<\/em> amounts of time together through a bunch of other stories, including one of her best friends, who had randomly moved to Nashville, inviting her to come watch their girls for a couple of weeks. It ended up being a seven-week period, where she lived .9 miles from me. That\u2019s how close her friends, who\u2019d moved from LA, were to my house: .9 miles. It\u2019s been about a year now of just a beautiful change in my life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m a guy\u2014when I met Wynter\u2014I just knew in my gut that she was my girl. It\u2019s the same thing with where I\u2019m at right now. I just know, in my gut, that this is the woman that God has for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Did you ever wonder: \u201cCan I love again?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> I did. What\u2019s funny is that I knew I would get married again; but the real pigheaded arrogant guy that I am, was thinking, \u201cWhoever I have next will be\u2026\u201d \u201cThey\u2019ll support me,\u201d \u201cThey\u2019ll support me in my ministry,\u201d \u201cThey\u2019ll support me with my girls.\u201d I was thinking more like a helper. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cIt won\u2019t be the same,\u201d you thought. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> What\u2019s crazy is our first real in-person date, which was in San Luis Obispo, during the beginning of COVID. My Pebble Beach trip was cancelled; but my flights were still going out there. She lived in LA; so we, literally, met up in the middle\u2014three hours and fifteen minutes from where my sister lived, where we were at\u2014and where she lived in LA. We met in San Luis Obispo and ended up having an opportunity to pray for my friends, who I was staying with, whose daughter was struggling with her emotional health in a real serious way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd she and I partnered in prayer on our first date. I thought to myself, for the first time, \u201cWhat if God could give me a life partner again?\u201d\u2014like you guys\u2014like my ministry was with my wife: we wrote together; we did ministry together; we spoke together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> And it was really beautiful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn my mind, that couldn\u2019t happen again. And here we are, finding ourselves praying for this family in a really deep, dark place for them. I go, \u201cWhat if God could do that?\u201d Now, the Scripture that comes to mind for me, and has come to light in multiple places is: \u201cNo eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind can conceive what God has planned for those who love Him.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s a big\/look, the journey I\u2019m about to start on is a different journey than the one I\u2019ve been on. It\u2019s all together different. It\u2019s all together requiring as much faith as that one in a different kind of way. I\u2019m really excited for what God has. We\u2019ll get married this fall, and I\u2019m really excited about that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Congratulations. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> How do the girls feel about it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> It\u2019s a hard journey to walk; because again, every part of newness for you means a reminder of what you\u2019ve lost. There\u2019s a grief process in that\/a pretty heavy one. It\u2019s been a difficult journey, and a beautiful one; because honestly, anything worth having is going to be difficult. It\u2019s actually really beautiful now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was talking to her, as I was driving over from Nashville; and she was on a call with my oldest girl, just having like a beautiful talk. They\u2019ve all built different relationships. It\u2019s a whole\/you know, I\u2019ve done family one way; and now, I\u2019m entering into\u2014she doesn\u2019t have children\u2014but somewhat of a blended family. I\u2019m going to have to trust God with that, and learn a whole new different role that I\u2019ve never known before; and so is she, and so are my girls. It\u2019s a whole new journey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cI\u2019ve seen God faithfulness.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> \u201cI\u2019ve seen God\u2019s faithfulness.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We\u2019re all inspired by hearing how God has been there in the midst of your pain and suffering. Like it\u2019s obvious He\u2019s there. But talk to the listener, [who] feels like, \u201cI haven\u2019t seen that. How do I see God\u2019s faithfulness in the midst of my pain?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> I mean, I would start by saying, \u201cYou have to be looking for it, which is work. Maybe God will show you miraculously, and you won\u2019t have to work at all; but I have to work in my life. God gave me some really beautiful things to see really clearly; but most of the time, it\u2019s work to see His faithfulness. That\u2019s why it\u2019s called faith.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s a book I read by Leighton Ford called <em>The Attentive Life<\/em>. It\u2019s basically on the discipline of paying attention to what God is doing. It\u2019s a really beautiful book. I read that, actually, at the beginning of COVID. It really was explaining what I was experiencing of just paying attention. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s really what Paul is saying; I can\u2019t help but go back to Philippians 4\u2014one of the hardest times in the history of the church, probably the hardest time, where persecution is running rampant\u2014any identification with Jesus Christ could mean death, or imprisonment, or torture. And Paul is saying, \u201cWhatever is true, whatever is right, whatever is honorable, whatever is pure, whatever is admirable, whatever is lovely, whatever is excellent or praiseworthy, think about these things,\u201d \u201cWhatever you\u2019ve seen from me, put in practice; and God will be with you.\u201d He\u2019s in prison writing this; his circumstances are <em>terrible<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u201cThe God of peace will be with you.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> \u201cThe God of peace\u201d; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHis circumstances are <em>terrible<\/em>; he\u2019s talking to a group of people, whose circumstances are <em>terrible<\/em>. But the one common thing they have is peace in Jesus. He\u2019s reminding them, in that peace, to actually see what\u2019s really happening. \u201cIf all you see is what you see;\u201d\u2014Tony Evans says\u2014\u201cyou never see all there is to be seen.\u201d Be attentive; open your eyes. God is always working, and He is always good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You said, earlier, it\u2019s a <em>discipline<\/em> to think on these things; especially, when everything around you is not those things. You have to discipline your mind to say, \u201cI\u2019m going to look for the faithfulness of God in the shadow of grief.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> Yes; and if you think that you can\u2019t\u2014you say, \u201cI can\u2019t do that,\u201d\u2014I would remind you that you have the mind of Christ. If you have Jesus, you have the mind of Christ. So his very mind is working in your mind, through the Holy Spirit, to help you think about those things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> Just submit to the Holy Spirit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Very good word.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That is good; this has been good. Thanks for being with us today, Jonathan. It\u2019s been inspiring.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jonathan:<\/strong> It\u2019s good; it\u2019s always like a great reminder; because I\u2019m really grateful for the fact that God showed me what He showed me the way He did in that season, because I need it even for where I\u2019m going now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The verse from Scripture that comes to mind to me, in listening to Dave and Ann Wilson talking with Jonathan Pitts today, is Colossians, Chapter 3, that says: \u201cSet your mind on things that are above.\u201d We need a mindset change in the midst of our grief. We need to remember that God is good, that He\u2019s in control, that He loves us, and that He will accomplish His purposes that will ultimately be for our good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJonathan talks about how God has brought this home for him in the book he\u2019s written called <em>My Wynter Season<\/em>. We\u2019ve got the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order your copy online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call to order at 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, Jonathan\u2019s book is called <em>My Wynter Season<\/em>. Order it from us online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329 to order; that\u2019s \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur hope and our prayer\u2014our goal each time we sit down here, at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014is to create programs\/podcasts that will provide you with practical biblical help and hope for your marriage and for your family. Our goal is to effectively develop godly marriages and families. We believe godly marriages and families can change the world. That\u2019s the mission you\u2019re helping to support when you donate to <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re entirely listener-supported. 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