{"id":307172,"date":"2021-07-26T07:00:05","date_gmt":"2021-07-26T11:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/is-media-king-2\/"},"modified":"2021-07-26T07:00:05","modified_gmt":"2021-07-26T11:00:05","slug":"is-media-king-2","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/is-media-king-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Is Media King?"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What holds our hearts&#8217; attention and affection? 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What has been your longest food fast?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Twenty-one days. And I\u2019m not always the <em>nicest<\/em> during the food fast; I should be better.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Okay, so what if it was a social media fast? Do you think\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014what?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Why?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think I could do it\u2014d<em>efinitely<\/em> couldn\u2019t do 21 days\u2014I mean, you\u2019ve got to be connected to the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh! Interesting; sounds like it could be a little idol. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It sounds like we need help.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And we\u2019ve got help; [Laughter] she\u2019s sitting right here today. Wendy Speake has been here before\u2014author of <em>The 40-Day Sugar Fast<\/em>\u2014which I should read.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And you were here with <em>Triggers<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s right. I was here with <em>Triggers<\/em> with Amber Lia,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave<\/strong>: Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy: <\/strong>\u2014talking about all of our parenting triggers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> I know we\u2019ll share lots of stories coming up; but in a roundabout way, all of these fasting books have come out of, really, the <em>Triggers<\/em> ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Have they really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And we haven\u2019t even mentioned that you wrote a social media fasting book; right?\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014<em>The 40-Day Social Media Fast<\/em>\u2014which is why Ann brings this up. [Laughter] When I even see that title, I\u2019m like, \u201cHonestly, I can do a food fast; I\u2019m not saying it\u2019s easy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> But when I think of doing a social media fast\u2014that\u2019s why she asked it\u2014she knew!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Here was the conversation\u2014we had the conversation\u2014I said, \u201cLet\u2019s do this 40 day social media fast.\u201d He goes, \u201cNo,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014automatically!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> You didn\u2019t even get the whole sentence out of your mouth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Exactly! I think other people can <em>feel<\/em> that as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet\u2019s go back: you\u2019re married; you have three sons\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014three <em>teenage<\/em> sons!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014teenagers; that\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We\u2019ve been there; it\u2019s awesome.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> I know! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201413,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> You\u2019re my heroes! [Laughter] You made it through; yes! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>We made it through.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014they\u2019re 13, 15, and 17. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> What do <em>they<\/em> think of this book?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> We haven\u2019t done lots of social media for them; we\u2019ve set some boundaries when they hit junior high. If they would like to have an Instagram<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> account, it\u2019s on my phone. When they\u2019re done with school and stuff for the day, they can check in with their friends; or if we\u2019re out doing something fun, and they want to post something, they can post something. There\u2019s not a lot of arguing over what their time limit is and stuff, because it\u2019s on my phone; they just check in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen once they show that they are making wise choices about who they follow, who follows them, how they communicate online\u2014and I think, for goodness\u2019 sakes, we\u2019re parents; we taught them how you say, \u201cYes ma\u2019am,\u201d at the grocery store\u2014we can kind of be involved in how they learn to communicate in another realm. So that was my thinking when I put that together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut as soon as it gets on their phone\u2014wow!\u2014it\u2019s so hard to not get swept away\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong>\u2014in the cultural norm for kids in how social media is being used. We [parents] think that <em>we have<\/em> an addiction?\u2014we just fall down virtual rabbit holes and watch too many <em>YouTube<\/em> videos! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> There is a whole \u2018nother world and other pressures that our kids are facing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wendy, do you remember when you started using social media?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> I remember: before I had a smartphone, I had a flip phone. I remember I had a toddler, and a baby, and I was pregnant. I would put that flip phone down into the diaper bag and take them to the park. If my husband had tried to get ahold of me that day, I didn\u2019t even hear it. He would come home, \u201cWhat\u2019s the point of even having a phone?\u201d \u201cOh, for maybe, if I get in an emergency, I can use it!\u201d \u201cNo, but it\u2019s so I can get ahold of you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI didn\u2019t have empty hands and I had always made the commitment that I would never talk on the phone when I was with my family unless we were going somewhere and I had to make a reservation. But to chat with someone, when I\u2019m already with someone else?\u2014I had just set boundaries, early on, and I\u2019m glad that I did. But man!\u2014as soon as I got the smartphone, it was <em>easy<\/em> to forget those boundaries, and pick up a phone, and use it as a form of escapism when life is stressful, which life is stressful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> It can get a little of both\u2014idolatrous and adulteress\u2014in that something is pulling us away from our <em>first love<\/em>. Isn\u2019t, really, that what we want to talk about? \u201cIs it possible that the phone does become an idol? If so, what should I do about it?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI get asked all the time: \u201cBut is it <em>bad<\/em>, Wendy? C\u2019mon!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u201cIs it bad?\u201d I would say, \u201cWell, it\u2019s not good at being God.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m reminded of Isaiah 55: tells us the story about the man, who chops down the tree and uses some of that wood to make a fire; and by that fire, he warms himself. I would say, \u201cWood is really good at being wood.\u201d With that same fire, he warms up some food; and I would say, \u201cWood is really good at doing that too.\u201d Then he takes some of the wood, and with it, he carves an idol. I would say, \u201cOh, but wood is not good at being a god; we need God to be God.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo: Is social media bad?\u201d\u2014No!\u2014It\u2019s great for social media. \u201cIs <em>YouTube<\/em> bad?\u201d\u2014No!\u2014it\u2019s great for <em>YouTube<\/em>. \u201cIs <em>LinkedIn<\/em> good or bad?\u201d\u2014well, it\u2019s very good at that; but if your\/if your identity is wrapped up with it, and if you\u2019re always focused on who\u2019s seeing you and who you\u2019re seeing, or\u2014I would say, even your online apps for\u00a0 news sources\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014if the news has gotten in the way of the Good News, and you\u2019re opening yourself up to the news before you open yourself up to the Good News, I would say, \u201cIt\u2019s <em>not good<\/em> at being the Good News.\u201d So is it bad?\u2014no, but it\u2019s not good at being God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf the phone is on the throne\u2014and the throne is His\u2014then that\u2019s what we\u2019re talking about maybe.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think the question is: \u201cHow would we know that?\u201d Dave, I wanted you to do this; because he came up with a questionnaire at church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I came up with my digital test.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Okay! Bring it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> As you listen to these, comment\u2014go to our Instagram page or Facebook page: FamilyLife\u2014and comment\/tell us how many. I just wrote randomly; question is: \u201cDo you answer \u2018Yes,\u2019 to any of these?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA loved one has told you that you have a problem with your phone or device. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cWhat would you answer?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I would have to say, \u201cYes\u201d; she\u2019s sitting right here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSecond one: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou regularly do email, text, Facebook while sitting on the toilet. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> [Gasp] Did you just say that?! I can\u2019t believe you just said that. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I believe, if people are honest, they are going, \u201cBusted!\u201d; you know?\u2014which is <em>sad!<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Do you think more men do that than women, or is it\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014I bet it\u2019s both.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I mean, what else are you going to do in there?\u2014you\u2019ve got time. Anyway, third one: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s the last thing you look at before you go to sleep\/first thing you look at when you wake up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s sad; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You talk about that in your book: how 10 years ago, what was the first thing you did?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> I would do that\u2014I mean, if you could see me\u2014I would do that stretch\/that yawn, and I\u2019d reach over\u2014and off the side table or sometimes, if I was really in a desperate state, I had my thin little Bible under my pillow\u2014I would wake up, and I would reach in, and I would grab it. I would just start reading from where I had left off the day before. That was my morning routine of spending <em>good<\/em> time with the Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven once I had children, I remember people said, \u201cOh, even in that season, you have to give God the first fruits of your life\/of your day.\u201d I would wake up, and there would be a little kid in my face!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> I learned early\/I made the choice: \u201cThose aren\u2019t my first fruits; they don\u2019t belong to me, because someone needs me in that moment. God has given me the privilege of being a mom and a wife; and when they need me, I\u2019m available to them. As soon as I have <em>my<\/em> first fruits, I will give that to the Lord.\u201d I would say, until I\u2019ve spent time in His Word, I don\u2019t want to do other things. Of course, I didn\u2019t have a smartphone! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we say, \u201cBut I don\u2019t have time for that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> But we get to the end of our days, and we can look at our phones and say, \u201cBut I spent three hours and twenty-six minutes on my phone. I guess I did have some time today.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA time came, where I reached over, and I would pick up my phone and not my Bible. I would open up the Bible app\u2014except all these pings, and rings, and dings, notifying me that I have a comment from that thing I posted late last night; and this and that\u2014but I\u2019m going to get to the Bible app, and open it up, and read it online. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You didn\u2019t just pick a number out of the air\u2014three hours and twenty-six minutes\u2014did you? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s pretty close to the average,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> That\u2019s pretty close to the average.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u2014which is just <em>scary<\/em> to think.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> I think, this year, it\u2019s supposed to hit about four hours a day. There have been days when it\u2019s been seven. If it\u2019s not the most important thing in your life\u2014but you\u2019re spending more time with those online people than you are your real-life people\u2014I would say you\u2019re priorities are probably not what <em>you<\/em> would want them to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWhat\u2019s the difference between a digital detox and a spiritual fast? Why is this a spiritual fast?\u201d If we were talking food fasting, then we\u2019re not just doing a diet; right? We are going to fast from food and <em>feast<\/em> on our time with the Lord. The same is true with social media: we\u2019re going to <em>fast<\/em> from being social, so that we can <em>get social<\/em> with the Lord. That\u2019s why it\u2019s different from just a digital detox or a food detox.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Talk about your <em>40-Day Sugar Fast<\/em>, because you saw some incredible results from that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Did that spur you on, then, to do\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Oh, goodness! These things go hand in hand; they really do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Just even a little backstory before that. I was ministering to a group of moms online, who struggle with\u2014just overwhelmed; exasperated; even, angry parenting\u2014go to bed, feeling crummy about it, every night. One day, on social media\u2014ironically enough\u2014I said, \u201cWhat would happen if we fasted from sugar for 40 days? I mean, we see what happens to our kids when they\u2019re all jacked up on Mountain Dew<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, or fruit snacks, or\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong>\u2014\u201cwhatever it is.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Why that? What made you think that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Well, I can see my kids\u2014and I knew, as soon as my kids went down for naps\u2014I would go in my pantry, and I\u2019d grab a handful of chocolate chips to get me through three o\u2019clock and make me stinkin\u2019 feel better for a hot minute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s the bewitching hour.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> It is, <em>seriously<\/em>. I would do that; but then, they would wake up: I wasn\u2019t more calm; I wasn\u2019t more kind; I wasn\u2019t more consistent; I\/I would say I wasn\u2019t more Christ-like. But I know that\u2014when I turn to the Lord in my parenting angst, in my marital angst, in my angst in life\u2014He actually gives me what I need for life and godliness, but those chocolate chips <em>weren\u2019t<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> For other people, it\u2019s the fourth cup of coffee that\u2019s highly sugared with the sweet Italian cream, or the extra couple pumps of the vanilla syrup; you know, it\u2019s sugar and it\u2019s caffeine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tChrist has said\u2014such a loving invitation\u2014He said, \u201cCome to Me when you\u2019re weary and heavy laden.\u201d He didn\u2019t say: \u201cRun to your pantry,\u201d \u201cRun through Starbucks,\u201d or \u201cRun to social media\u201d; but \u201cCome to Me and I\u2019ll give you what you need. I\u2019ll give you rest.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI found that, when I was running to the pantry, I wasn\u2019t sweeter; so sugar doesn\u2019t make a mom sweet; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> And when I was running to my phone\u2014because I couldn\u2019t cope with the stress of my little children\u2014so I would run to the bathroom with my phone and just stay there for 15 minutes, it didn\u2019t actually help me cope with real-life stress better when I came back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut when I would go to the Lord\u2014and I\u2019d turn on my worship or I\u2019d read a Psalm\u2014I would\u00a0 just take a moment and say: \u201cLord, You <em>know<\/em> where I\u2019m stressing,\u201d \u201cGod, here are my consistent struggles\u2026This is how I\u2019m responding\u2026You know it; how can I respond in a longsuffering way that\u2019s more like You, and how You parent me, than how I\u2019m parenting them?\u201d When I come to Him, He gives my soul rest; He gives me perspective. Social media doesn\u2019t do that, and my chocolate chips don\u2019t do it either.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s really where it started. I didn\u2019t know I was starting a movement; I just said, \u201cWhat would happen\u2026\u201d I mean, it was <em>really<\/em> off the cuff. Hundreds of people, at first; and then, <em>thousands<\/em> starting signing up. By the second year, I think we had 8,000 people sign up for the 40-day sugar fast. Over 100,000 people have done this fast with me now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> You asked, \u201cSo how did that come out of that?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> During the fast, I say: \u201cGod <em>never<\/em> asked us for a sugar sacrifice. He asked us for a <em>living<\/em> sacrifice, so what else are you <em>living<\/em> for? What else is getting in the way of living for Him? What else are you running to <em>in lieu of<\/em> running to Him?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn mass, the response was: \u201cWell, for goodness sakes, it\u2019s my phone! It\u2019s my phone! I turn to my phone instead of turning to Him, all the live-long day.\u201d I\u2019d say, \u201cOkay, as soon as we\u2019re done with this online sugar fast,\u201d\u2014that we do every January online\u2014\u201clet\u2019s all log off. Let\u2019s go dark in order to experience the Light of the world. Let\u2019s fast from social media and get social with the Lord.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Do any people say this to you\u2014because this is my thing, even with food\u2014like, \u201cI <em>deserve something<\/em>! You know, my kids, or\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Yes; I call it a \u201cwin\u201d: \u201cI just need a \u2018win.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes! \u201cI\u2019ve been <em>giving<\/em> of myself all day\u2014even in work\u2014I deserve a little <em>something<\/em> for myself.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> I get that latte at Starbucks; or I get that sweet tea at Chick-fil-A when I\u2019m out running errands for the whole family;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s my reward.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014or that bowl of ice cream as I binge-watch TV\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, when you start turning to Christ instead of turning to whatever that is, things start to change. You say, \u201cYes, God, I\u2019d like You to change my\/my weight,\u201d or \u201c\u2026what I\u2019m eating\u201d; and He says, \u201cI want to change your <em>life<\/em>.\u201d You\u2019ll lose weight if you don\u2019t eat sugar for 40 days\u2014you will\u2014but you\u2019re going to gain <em>faith<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPeople come, <em>thinking<\/em> they have a sugar problem; but what they learn is that they actually had a God problem: they had stopped turning to God; they started turning to food. They stopped turning to God; they started turning to affirmation from this world online. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, I love\u2014you use one of the verses we use in <em>our<\/em> book, <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>\u2014Jeremiah 2:13,\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> That\u2019s it!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u2014which says, \u201cMy people have committed two sins; they have forsaken Me\u201d\u2014and who am I?\u2014the spring of living water!\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> The fountain; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cand have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s what they are;\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014that\u2019s what they are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, you <em>saw<\/em> that come to life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Absolutely. When you are turning to your news sources, and even your morning cup of coffee, or your afternoon glass of wine\u2014and couldn\u2019t we camp out there?\u2014if you are turning to that to get you through hard days, you\u2019re turning to the <em>wrong<\/em> thing. They are broken cisterns that <em>can\u2019t<\/em> hold water; we need to turn to the Living Water.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> In Jeremiah, he\u2019s asking us to go vertical; you know, get your eyes back on where the real source of life is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember saying, in a sermon that I did years ago, about \u201cDigital Deadly Sins\u201d we called it. It wasn\u2019t like: \u201cLet\u2019s talk about porn\u201d; it was like this\/it was like: \u201cDigital is awesome\u2014it\u2019s a wonderful gift; think of all the amazing things we have\u2014but if we let it,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cIf it gets in our way\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cit becomes an idol, and it becomes almost sinful.\u201d I remember saying, \u201cWhat\u2019s <em>in front of you<\/em> is more important than what\u2019s in your <em>hand<\/em>.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I remember one time CJ, our oldest, was having a birthday party. I missed half of it, because something was going on at work. There were emails and texts, and I kept looking <em>down<\/em> instead of over or up<strong>\u2014<\/strong>and I remember I missed the party!<strong>\u2014<\/strong>I sort of missed the party. I remember thinking, after it was over\/I thought, \u201cI think we\u2019re missing life!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Yes! And that\u2019s it! The first maybe ten chapters really focus on looking up. Actually, Ann, you have the book in front of you; would you open up the Scripture at the very, very beginning? It\u2019s such a <em>beautiful<\/em> tie-in here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This one? Okay; I love this, because it says: \u201cThis book is dedicated to those of us, who want to want God most, but grab our phones more.\u201d Then you have \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tColossians 3:1-2 from the Message that says, \u201cPursue the things over which Christ presides. Don\u2019t shuffle along, eyes to the ground, absorbed with the things right in front of you. Look up, and be alert to what is going on around Christ; that\u2019s where the action is. See things from <em>His<\/em> perspective.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u201cThat\u2019s where the action is.\u201d I think of the Good Samaritan\u2014and tripping over the wounded man on the side of the road\u2014because our noses are in our phones. Would we even <em>see<\/em> the needs around us? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe first time I fasted from social media, I made a very specific intention to keep my phone in my purse or in my pocket when I was grocery shopping. I started having <em>gospel<\/em> interactions in the store. I remember there was one<strong>\u2014<\/strong>there was a woman\u2014it was actually <em>outside<\/em> of the store. I was unloading my things in the car; and there was a woman, who was bent over her steering wheel, and her shoulders were shaking. It was an older woman, and she was crying. I knocked on the window and asked if I could come in and pray for her. She let me in; and she said that her husband had died within the year, and going to the grocery store is one of her biggest triggers; because she\u2019s cooking for one person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere was another time\u2014there was someone behind the counter, helping cut meat for me\u2014and I had had a really hard day. I had been crying, and he didn\u2019t really look at me. He said, \u201cHow was your day?\u201d I said [taking a gasp], \u201cIt was hard, but it\u2019s okay; hard days\/God\u2019s given us is another opportunity to trust Him more\u201d; and he started <em>crying<\/em>! [Laughter] I don\u2019t know<strong>\u2014<\/strong>more people I cry with at the grocery store now\u2014and he said, \u201cDo you think that\u2019s what the hard days are <em>for<\/em>?\u2014that we would trust God more?\u201d I said, \u201cI do! I do!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Another time, after the first community-wide\u2014where I invited others, after the sugar fast to then go dark\u2014we shut down social media and just be present with our kids and in God\u2019s Word: \u201cLet\u2019s feast on the real-life people, not the online people.\u201d She wrote back and she said, \u201cWendy, I\/I saw my kid\u2019s faces more\u2014and they saw <em>my<\/em> face\u2014my face was\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cup.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cup.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: Yes.<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy: <\/strong>What\u2019s more: she said, \u201cThey were more enjoyable; I really believe it!\u201d I wrote back and I said, \u201cSarah, I <em>guarantee<\/em> it! They were more enjoyable because our children have learned that they want our attention, so they\u2019ve learned <em>negative<\/em> ways to get our attention; but when they have your <em>intentions<\/em>, they don\u2019t have to get your attention, they already have that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u201cSo I bet your children\u2019s behavioral issues were less of a problem, because they weren\u2019t fighting for your attention.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the times I remember, during one of the early fasts, I was sitting at the kitchen table. Ironically, I was making a grocery list, I think; because I couldn\u2019t keep it on my phone. My kids were in the pool outside; they started yelling, \u201cMom! Mom! Mom! Come here!\u201d I looked up; and I saw, outside the window, that there was this <em>massive<\/em> butterfly migration. I had never seen <em>anything<\/em> like it. I don\u2019t mean lots of butterflies; I mean you can\u2019t see <em>through<\/em> the butterflies\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014swarming around my children. I got up to run out there and thought, \u201cMy phone\u2019s in my room\u201d; because that\u2019s where I would leave it when I was with my family. I pivot to go get the phone; and then I pivot back, because I remember, \u201cNo; I\u2019m not going to put a Facebook live. I\u2019m going to <em>live<\/em> this moment with my children.\u201d I ran out there. They\u2019re all climbing out of the pool, putting their cold, wet arms around my middle and just clapping hands and <em>so<\/em> excited.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe started counting, \u201cOne, two, three, four, five\u201d\u2014we got to multiple hundreds together. I would not have counted to multiple hundreds of butterflies if I was also trying to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014video it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014videotape it. I\u2019m sure many other people in San Diego, California, had it videotaped. I could probably do a search on YouTube right now and find it\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014and relive it there, but I <em>lived it<\/em>. I lived it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember, at one point, my oldest, who was\u2014oh, he was probably about 13 at the time\u2014he yelled, \u201cGood job, God!\u201d I remember we locked eyes and shared this moment; because when he was itty-bitty, that\u2019s what I told my kids praise was\u2014is telling someone, \u201cHey, you did a really great job in that basketball game,\u201d\u2014I gave him praise; right? Well, why don\u2019t we give praise to God when we see Him do something phenomenal in our relationships or in a sunset?\u2014we yell, \u201cGood job, God!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll these years later, he yelled, \u201cGood job, God!\u201d and I was fully present. I was not recording it; I wasn\u2019t wondering how many people were liking it; I was just there. So: \u201cYes to the eyes-up living.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I would say to our listener: \u201cIf there\u2019s anything you do today, as a result of listening to this broadcast, get your eyes up.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u201cPut your eyes up.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Really! You\u2019re\/you\u2019re going to see\u2014it\u2019s everything you\u2019ve just said, Wendy\u2014you\u2019re going to see life. Life\u2019s happening; are you missing it, looking down?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTwenty-one-year-old college kid, who walked by the tennis court, and didn\u2019t see the girl that he had just prayed to meet\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u201cWhat are you missing?\u201d\u2014yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014was me! I didn\u2019t have a phone then, and I saw Ann; and here we are. I\u2019m just thinking: \u201cThere\u2019s not three kids; there\u2019s not a church started; we\u2019re not FamilyLife hosts; we may not [have] ever dated if I missed that moment.\u201d There she is\/there\u2019s the answer to my prayer. So much of us <em>miss<\/em> right in front of us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014real life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and we miss hearing God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> When we\u2019re so absorbed in different things, we miss hearing God\u2019s voice. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know who said it first, but we\u2019ve all heard it: \u201cWherever you are, be all there.\u201d That\u2019s part of what Wendy Speake has been encouraging us to do today as she challenges us to consider a fast from social media\/a fast from anything that is removing us from the real life that\u2019s happening all around us: our relationships with our spouse, with our kids, with our friends, and our relationship with God, as Ann Wilson mentioned at the end.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWendy has mapped out for us a way to engage in a 40-day social media fast. She subtitled her book: <em>Exchange Your Online Distractions for Real-Life Devotion<\/em>. That\u2019s a great challenge. We would <em>love<\/em> to send you a copy of Wendy\u2019s book; in fact, we\u2019re making this book available this week to those of you who can partner with us in helping to provide practical biblical help and hope for marriages and families all around the world. Your support of the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> does just that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEvery day, we are reaching hundreds of thousands of moms and dads\/husbands and wives, who are coming to us asking for biblical guidance in their marriage and in their family; and that\u2019s what we\u2019re committed to providing. You make all that possible when you donate so that\u2014this radio program, this podcast, our website, our resources, our events\u2014all of it happens because of your generosity. Again, if you could make a donation today, we\u2019d love to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d by sending you Wendy Speake\u2019s book, \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>The 40-Day Social Media Fast<\/em>. Go online at FamilyLifeToday.com to donate, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make your donation. Again, the website, FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to hear from Wendy Speake about how our interaction with social media is having an impact, not just on our relationships with one another, but on our relationship with God as well. I hope you can tune in for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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Wendy Speake asks us to evaluate whether our phones are actually the ones sitting on the throne of our hearts.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2021-07-26.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You\u2019ve done a lot of fasting over the years, Dave.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014food fast?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014food fast. What has been your longest food fast?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Twenty-one days. And I\u2019m not always the <em>nicest<\/em> during the food fast; I should be better.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Okay, so what if it was a social media fast? Do you think\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014what?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Why?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think I could do it\u2014d<em>efinitely<\/em> couldn\u2019t do 21 days\u2014I mean, you\u2019ve got to be connected to the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh! Interesting; sounds like it could be a little idol. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I\u2019m Dave Wilson, and you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It sounds like we need help.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And we\u2019ve got help; [Laughter] she\u2019s sitting right here today. Wendy Speake has been here before\u2014author of <em>The 40-Day Sugar Fast<\/em>\u2014which I should read.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And you were here with <em>Triggers<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s right. I was here with <em>Triggers<\/em> with Amber Lia,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave<\/strong>: Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy: <\/strong>\u2014talking about all of our parenting triggers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> I know we\u2019ll share lots of stories coming up; but in a roundabout way, all of these fasting books have come out of, really, the <em>Triggers<\/em> ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Have they really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And we haven\u2019t even mentioned that you wrote a social media fasting book; right?\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014<em>The 40-Day Social Media Fast<\/em>\u2014which is why Ann brings this up. [Laughter] When I even see that title, I\u2019m like, \u201cHonestly, I can do a food fast; I\u2019m not saying it\u2019s easy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> But when I think of doing a social media fast\u2014that\u2019s why she asked it\u2014she knew!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Here was the conversation\u2014we had the conversation\u2014I said, \u201cLet\u2019s do this 40 day social media fast.\u201d He goes, \u201cNo,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014automatically!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> You didn\u2019t even get the whole sentence out of your mouth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Exactly! I think other people can <em>feel<\/em> that as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet\u2019s go back: you\u2019re married; you have three sons\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014three <em>teenage<\/em> sons!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014teenagers; that\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We\u2019ve been there; it\u2019s awesome.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> I know! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201413,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> You\u2019re my heroes! [Laughter] You made it through; yes! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>We made it through.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014they\u2019re 13, 15, and 17. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> What do <em>they<\/em> think of this book?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> We haven\u2019t done lots of social media for them; we\u2019ve set some boundaries when they hit junior high. If they would like to have an Instagram<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> account, it\u2019s on my phone. When they\u2019re done with school and stuff for the day, they can check in with their friends; or if we\u2019re out doing something fun, and they want to post something, they can post something. There\u2019s not a lot of arguing over what their time limit is and stuff, because it\u2019s on my phone; they just check in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen once they show that they are making wise choices about who they follow, who follows them, how they communicate online\u2014and I think, for goodness\u2019 sakes, we\u2019re parents; we taught them how you say, \u201cYes ma\u2019am,\u201d at the grocery store\u2014we can kind of be involved in how they learn to communicate in another realm. So that was my thinking when I put that together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut as soon as it gets on their phone\u2014wow!\u2014it\u2019s so hard to not get swept away\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong>\u2014in the cultural norm for kids in how social media is being used. We [parents] think that <em>we have<\/em> an addiction?\u2014we just fall down virtual rabbit holes and watch too many <em>YouTube<\/em> videos! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> There is a whole \u2018nother world and other pressures that our kids are facing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wendy, do you remember when you started using social media?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> I remember: before I had a smartphone, I had a flip phone. I remember I had a toddler, and a baby, and I was pregnant. I would put that flip phone down into the diaper bag and take them to the park. If my husband had tried to get ahold of me that day, I didn\u2019t even hear it. He would come home, \u201cWhat\u2019s the point of even having a phone?\u201d \u201cOh, for maybe, if I get in an emergency, I can use it!\u201d \u201cNo, but it\u2019s so I can get ahold of you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI didn\u2019t have empty hands and I had always made the commitment that I would never talk on the phone when I was with my family unless we were going somewhere and I had to make a reservation. But to chat with someone, when I\u2019m already with someone else?\u2014I had just set boundaries, early on, and I\u2019m glad that I did. But man!\u2014as soon as I got the smartphone, it was <em>easy<\/em> to forget those boundaries, and pick up a phone, and use it as a form of escapism when life is stressful, which life is stressful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> It can get a little of both\u2014idolatrous and adulteress\u2014in that something is pulling us away from our <em>first love<\/em>. Isn\u2019t, really, that what we want to talk about? \u201cIs it possible that the phone does become an idol? If so, what should I do about it?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI get asked all the time: \u201cBut is it <em>bad<\/em>, Wendy? C\u2019mon!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u201cIs it bad?\u201d I would say, \u201cWell, it\u2019s not good at being God.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m reminded of Isaiah 55: tells us the story about the man, who chops down the tree and uses some of that wood to make a fire; and by that fire, he warms himself. I would say, \u201cWood is really good at being wood.\u201d With that same fire, he warms up some food; and I would say, \u201cWood is really good at doing that too.\u201d Then he takes some of the wood, and with it, he carves an idol. I would say, \u201cOh, but wood is not good at being a god; we need God to be God.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo: Is social media bad?\u201d\u2014No!\u2014It\u2019s great for social media. \u201cIs <em>YouTube<\/em> bad?\u201d\u2014No!\u2014it\u2019s great for <em>YouTube<\/em>. \u201cIs <em>LinkedIn<\/em> good or bad?\u201d\u2014well, it\u2019s very good at that; but if your\/if your identity is wrapped up with it, and if you\u2019re always focused on who\u2019s seeing you and who you\u2019re seeing, or\u2014I would say, even your online apps for\u00a0 news sources\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014if the news has gotten in the way of the Good News, and you\u2019re opening yourself up to the news before you open yourself up to the Good News, I would say, \u201cIt\u2019s <em>not good<\/em> at being the Good News.\u201d So is it bad?\u2014no, but it\u2019s not good at being God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf the phone is on the throne\u2014and the throne is His\u2014then that\u2019s what we\u2019re talking about maybe.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think the question is: \u201cHow would we know that?\u201d Dave, I wanted you to do this; because he came up with a questionnaire at church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I came up with my digital test.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Okay! Bring it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> As you listen to these, comment\u2014go to our Instagram page or Facebook page: FamilyLife\u2014and comment\/tell us how many. I just wrote randomly; question is: \u201cDo you answer \u2018Yes,\u2019 to any of these?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA loved one has told you that you have a problem with your phone or device. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cWhat would you answer?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I would have to say, \u201cYes\u201d; she\u2019s sitting right here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSecond one: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou regularly do email, text, Facebook while sitting on the toilet. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> [Gasp] Did you just say that?! I can\u2019t believe you just said that. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I believe, if people are honest, they are going, \u201cBusted!\u201d; you know?\u2014which is <em>sad!<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Do you think more men do that than women, or is it\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014I bet it\u2019s both.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I mean, what else are you going to do in there?\u2014you\u2019ve got time. Anyway, third one: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s the last thing you look at before you go to sleep\/first thing you look at when you wake up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s sad; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You talk about that in your book: how 10 years ago, what was the first thing you did?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> I would do that\u2014I mean, if you could see me\u2014I would do that stretch\/that yawn, and I\u2019d reach over\u2014and off the side table or sometimes, if I was really in a desperate state, I had my thin little Bible under my pillow\u2014I would wake up, and I would reach in, and I would grab it. I would just start reading from where I had left off the day before. That was my morning routine of spending <em>good<\/em> time with the Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven once I had children, I remember people said, \u201cOh, even in that season, you have to give God the first fruits of your life\/of your day.\u201d I would wake up, and there would be a little kid in my face!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> I learned early\/I made the choice: \u201cThose aren\u2019t my first fruits; they don\u2019t belong to me, because someone needs me in that moment. God has given me the privilege of being a mom and a wife; and when they need me, I\u2019m available to them. As soon as I have <em>my<\/em> first fruits, I will give that to the Lord.\u201d I would say, until I\u2019ve spent time in His Word, I don\u2019t want to do other things. Of course, I didn\u2019t have a smartphone! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we say, \u201cBut I don\u2019t have time for that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> But we get to the end of our days, and we can look at our phones and say, \u201cBut I spent three hours and twenty-six minutes on my phone. I guess I did have some time today.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA time came, where I reached over, and I would pick up my phone and not my Bible. I would open up the Bible app\u2014except all these pings, and rings, and dings, notifying me that I have a comment from that thing I posted late last night; and this and that\u2014but I\u2019m going to get to the Bible app, and open it up, and read it online. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You didn\u2019t just pick a number out of the air\u2014three hours and twenty-six minutes\u2014did you? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s pretty close to the average,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> That\u2019s pretty close to the average.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u2014which is just <em>scary<\/em> to think.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> I think, this year, it\u2019s supposed to hit about four hours a day. There have been days when it\u2019s been seven. If it\u2019s not the most important thing in your life\u2014but you\u2019re spending more time with those online people than you are your real-life people\u2014I would say you\u2019re priorities are probably not what <em>you<\/em> would want them to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWhat\u2019s the difference between a digital detox and a spiritual fast? Why is this a spiritual fast?\u201d If we were talking food fasting, then we\u2019re not just doing a diet; right? We are going to fast from food and <em>feast<\/em> on our time with the Lord. The same is true with social media: we\u2019re going to <em>fast<\/em> from being social, so that we can <em>get social<\/em> with the Lord. That\u2019s why it\u2019s different from just a digital detox or a food detox.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Talk about your <em>40-Day Sugar Fast<\/em>, because you saw some incredible results from that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Did that spur you on, then, to do\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Oh, goodness! These things go hand in hand; they really do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Just even a little backstory before that. I was ministering to a group of moms online, who struggle with\u2014just overwhelmed; exasperated; even, angry parenting\u2014go to bed, feeling crummy about it, every night. One day, on social media\u2014ironically enough\u2014I said, \u201cWhat would happen if we fasted from sugar for 40 days? I mean, we see what happens to our kids when they\u2019re all jacked up on Mountain Dew<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, or fruit snacks, or\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong>\u2014\u201cwhatever it is.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Why that? What made you think that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Well, I can see my kids\u2014and I knew, as soon as my kids went down for naps\u2014I would go in my pantry, and I\u2019d grab a handful of chocolate chips to get me through three o\u2019clock and make me stinkin\u2019 feel better for a hot minute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s the bewitching hour.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> It is, <em>seriously<\/em>. I would do that; but then, they would wake up: I wasn\u2019t more calm; I wasn\u2019t more kind; I wasn\u2019t more consistent; I\/I would say I wasn\u2019t more Christ-like. But I know that\u2014when I turn to the Lord in my parenting angst, in my marital angst, in my angst in life\u2014He actually gives me what I need for life and godliness, but those chocolate chips <em>weren\u2019t<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> For other people, it\u2019s the fourth cup of coffee that\u2019s highly sugared with the sweet Italian cream, or the extra couple pumps of the vanilla syrup; you know, it\u2019s sugar and it\u2019s caffeine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tChrist has said\u2014such a loving invitation\u2014He said, \u201cCome to Me when you\u2019re weary and heavy laden.\u201d He didn\u2019t say: \u201cRun to your pantry,\u201d \u201cRun through Starbucks,\u201d or \u201cRun to social media\u201d; but \u201cCome to Me and I\u2019ll give you what you need. I\u2019ll give you rest.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI found that, when I was running to the pantry, I wasn\u2019t sweeter; so sugar doesn\u2019t make a mom sweet; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> And when I was running to my phone\u2014because I couldn\u2019t cope with the stress of my little children\u2014so I would run to the bathroom with my phone and just stay there for 15 minutes, it didn\u2019t actually help me cope with real-life stress better when I came back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut when I would go to the Lord\u2014and I\u2019d turn on my worship or I\u2019d read a Psalm\u2014I would\u00a0 just take a moment and say: \u201cLord, You <em>know<\/em> where I\u2019m stressing,\u201d \u201cGod, here are my consistent struggles\u2026This is how I\u2019m responding\u2026You know it; how can I respond in a longsuffering way that\u2019s more like You, and how You parent me, than how I\u2019m parenting them?\u201d When I come to Him, He gives my soul rest; He gives me perspective. Social media doesn\u2019t do that, and my chocolate chips don\u2019t do it either.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s really where it started. I didn\u2019t know I was starting a movement; I just said, \u201cWhat would happen\u2026\u201d I mean, it was <em>really<\/em> off the cuff. Hundreds of people, at first; and then, <em>thousands<\/em> starting signing up. By the second year, I think we had 8,000 people sign up for the 40-day sugar fast. Over 100,000 people have done this fast with me now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> You asked, \u201cSo how did that come out of that?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> During the fast, I say: \u201cGod <em>never<\/em> asked us for a sugar sacrifice. He asked us for a <em>living<\/em> sacrifice, so what else are you <em>living<\/em> for? What else is getting in the way of living for Him? What else are you running to <em>in lieu of<\/em> running to Him?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn mass, the response was: \u201cWell, for goodness sakes, it\u2019s my phone! It\u2019s my phone! I turn to my phone instead of turning to Him, all the live-long day.\u201d I\u2019d say, \u201cOkay, as soon as we\u2019re done with this online sugar fast,\u201d\u2014that we do every January online\u2014\u201clet\u2019s all log off. Let\u2019s go dark in order to experience the Light of the world. Let\u2019s fast from social media and get social with the Lord.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Do any people say this to you\u2014because this is my thing, even with food\u2014like, \u201cI <em>deserve something<\/em>! You know, my kids, or\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Yes; I call it a \u201cwin\u201d: \u201cI just need a \u2018win.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes! \u201cI\u2019ve been <em>giving<\/em> of myself all day\u2014even in work\u2014I deserve a little <em>something<\/em> for myself.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> I get that latte at Starbucks; or I get that sweet tea at Chick-fil-A when I\u2019m out running errands for the whole family;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s my reward.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014or that bowl of ice cream as I binge-watch TV\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, when you start turning to Christ instead of turning to whatever that is, things start to change. You say, \u201cYes, God, I\u2019d like You to change my\/my weight,\u201d or \u201c\u2026what I\u2019m eating\u201d; and He says, \u201cI want to change your <em>life<\/em>.\u201d You\u2019ll lose weight if you don\u2019t eat sugar for 40 days\u2014you will\u2014but you\u2019re going to gain <em>faith<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPeople come, <em>thinking<\/em> they have a sugar problem; but what they learn is that they actually had a God problem: they had stopped turning to God; they started turning to food. They stopped turning to God; they started turning to affirmation from this world online. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, I love\u2014you use one of the verses we use in <em>our<\/em> book, <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>\u2014Jeremiah 2:13,\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> That\u2019s it!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u2014which says, \u201cMy people have committed two sins; they have forsaken Me\u201d\u2014and who am I?\u2014the spring of living water!\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> The fountain; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cand have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s what they are;\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014that\u2019s what they are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, you <em>saw<\/em> that come to life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Absolutely. When you are turning to your news sources, and even your morning cup of coffee, or your afternoon glass of wine\u2014and couldn\u2019t we camp out there?\u2014if you are turning to that to get you through hard days, you\u2019re turning to the <em>wrong<\/em> thing. They are broken cisterns that <em>can\u2019t<\/em> hold water; we need to turn to the Living Water.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> In Jeremiah, he\u2019s asking us to go vertical; you know, get your eyes back on where the real source of life is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember saying, in a sermon that I did years ago, about \u201cDigital Deadly Sins\u201d we called it. It wasn\u2019t like: \u201cLet\u2019s talk about porn\u201d; it was like this\/it was like: \u201cDigital is awesome\u2014it\u2019s a wonderful gift; think of all the amazing things we have\u2014but if we let it,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cIf it gets in our way\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cit becomes an idol, and it becomes almost sinful.\u201d I remember saying, \u201cWhat\u2019s <em>in front of you<\/em> is more important than what\u2019s in your <em>hand<\/em>.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I remember one time CJ, our oldest, was having a birthday party. I missed half of it, because something was going on at work. There were emails and texts, and I kept looking <em>down<\/em> instead of over or up<strong>\u2014<\/strong>and I remember I missed the party!<strong>\u2014<\/strong>I sort of missed the party. I remember thinking, after it was over\/I thought, \u201cI think we\u2019re missing life!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Yes! And that\u2019s it! The first maybe ten chapters really focus on looking up. Actually, Ann, you have the book in front of you; would you open up the Scripture at the very, very beginning? It\u2019s such a <em>beautiful<\/em> tie-in here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This one? Okay; I love this, because it says: \u201cThis book is dedicated to those of us, who want to want God most, but grab our phones more.\u201d Then you have \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tColossians 3:1-2 from the Message that says, \u201cPursue the things over which Christ presides. Don\u2019t shuffle along, eyes to the ground, absorbed with the things right in front of you. Look up, and be alert to what is going on around Christ; that\u2019s where the action is. See things from <em>His<\/em> perspective.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u201cThat\u2019s where the action is.\u201d I think of the Good Samaritan\u2014and tripping over the wounded man on the side of the road\u2014because our noses are in our phones. Would we even <em>see<\/em> the needs around us? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe first time I fasted from social media, I made a very specific intention to keep my phone in my purse or in my pocket when I was grocery shopping. I started having <em>gospel<\/em> interactions in the store. I remember there was one<strong>\u2014<\/strong>there was a woman\u2014it was actually <em>outside<\/em> of the store. I was unloading my things in the car; and there was a woman, who was bent over her steering wheel, and her shoulders were shaking. It was an older woman, and she was crying. I knocked on the window and asked if I could come in and pray for her. She let me in; and she said that her husband had died within the year, and going to the grocery store is one of her biggest triggers; because she\u2019s cooking for one person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere was another time\u2014there was someone behind the counter, helping cut meat for me\u2014and I had had a really hard day. I had been crying, and he didn\u2019t really look at me. He said, \u201cHow was your day?\u201d I said [taking a gasp], \u201cIt was hard, but it\u2019s okay; hard days\/God\u2019s given us is another opportunity to trust Him more\u201d; and he started <em>crying<\/em>! [Laughter] I don\u2019t know<strong>\u2014<\/strong>more people I cry with at the grocery store now\u2014and he said, \u201cDo you think that\u2019s what the hard days are <em>for<\/em>?\u2014that we would trust God more?\u201d I said, \u201cI do! I do!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> Another time, after the first community-wide\u2014where I invited others, after the sugar fast to then go dark\u2014we shut down social media and just be present with our kids and in God\u2019s Word: \u201cLet\u2019s feast on the real-life people, not the online people.\u201d She wrote back and she said, \u201cWendy, I\/I saw my kid\u2019s faces more\u2014and they saw <em>my<\/em> face\u2014my face was\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cup.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cup.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: Yes.<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy: <\/strong>What\u2019s more: she said, \u201cThey were more enjoyable; I really believe it!\u201d I wrote back and I said, \u201cSarah, I <em>guarantee<\/em> it! They were more enjoyable because our children have learned that they want our attention, so they\u2019ve learned <em>negative<\/em> ways to get our attention; but when they have your <em>intentions<\/em>, they don\u2019t have to get your attention, they already have that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u201cSo I bet your children\u2019s behavioral issues were less of a problem, because they weren\u2019t fighting for your attention.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the times I remember, during one of the early fasts, I was sitting at the kitchen table. Ironically, I was making a grocery list, I think; because I couldn\u2019t keep it on my phone. My kids were in the pool outside; they started yelling, \u201cMom! Mom! Mom! Come here!\u201d I looked up; and I saw, outside the window, that there was this <em>massive<\/em> butterfly migration. I had never seen <em>anything<\/em> like it. I don\u2019t mean lots of butterflies; I mean you can\u2019t see <em>through<\/em> the butterflies\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014swarming around my children. I got up to run out there and thought, \u201cMy phone\u2019s in my room\u201d; because that\u2019s where I would leave it when I was with my family. I pivot to go get the phone; and then I pivot back, because I remember, \u201cNo; I\u2019m not going to put a Facebook live. I\u2019m going to <em>live<\/em> this moment with my children.\u201d I ran out there. They\u2019re all climbing out of the pool, putting their cold, wet arms around my middle and just clapping hands and <em>so<\/em> excited.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe started counting, \u201cOne, two, three, four, five\u201d\u2014we got to multiple hundreds together. I would not have counted to multiple hundreds of butterflies if I was also trying to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014video it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014videotape it. I\u2019m sure many other people in San Diego, California, had it videotaped. I could probably do a search on YouTube right now and find it\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014and relive it there, but I <em>lived it<\/em>. I lived it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember, at one point, my oldest, who was\u2014oh, he was probably about 13 at the time\u2014he yelled, \u201cGood job, God!\u201d I remember we locked eyes and shared this moment; because when he was itty-bitty, that\u2019s what I told my kids praise was\u2014is telling someone, \u201cHey, you did a really great job in that basketball game,\u201d\u2014I gave him praise; right? Well, why don\u2019t we give praise to God when we see Him do something phenomenal in our relationships or in a sunset?\u2014we yell, \u201cGood job, God!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll these years later, he yelled, \u201cGood job, God!\u201d and I was fully present. I was not recording it; I wasn\u2019t wondering how many people were liking it; I was just there. So: \u201cYes to the eyes-up living.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I would say to our listener: \u201cIf there\u2019s anything you do today, as a result of listening to this broadcast, get your eyes up.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u201cPut your eyes up.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Really! You\u2019re\/you\u2019re going to see\u2014it\u2019s everything you\u2019ve just said, Wendy\u2014you\u2019re going to see life. Life\u2019s happening; are you missing it, looking down?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTwenty-one-year-old college kid, who walked by the tennis court, and didn\u2019t see the girl that he had just prayed to meet\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u201cWhat are you missing?\u201d\u2014yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014was me! I didn\u2019t have a phone then, and I saw Ann; and here we are. I\u2019m just thinking: \u201cThere\u2019s not three kids; there\u2019s not a church started; we\u2019re not FamilyLife hosts; we may not [have] ever dated if I missed that moment.\u201d There she is\/there\u2019s the answer to my prayer. So much of us <em>miss<\/em> right in front of us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Wendy:<\/strong> \u2014real life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and we miss hearing God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> When we\u2019re so absorbed in different things, we miss hearing God\u2019s voice. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know who said it first, but we\u2019ve all heard it: \u201cWherever you are, be all there.\u201d That\u2019s part of what Wendy Speake has been encouraging us to do today as she challenges us to consider a fast from social media\/a fast from anything that is removing us from the real life that\u2019s happening all around us: our relationships with our spouse, with our kids, with our friends, and our relationship with God, as Ann Wilson mentioned at the end.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWendy has mapped out for us a way to engage in a 40-day social media fast. She subtitled her book: <em>Exchange Your Online Distractions for Real-Life Devotion<\/em>. That\u2019s a great challenge. We would <em>love<\/em> to send you a copy of Wendy\u2019s book; in fact, we\u2019re making this book available this week to those of you who can partner with us in helping to provide practical biblical help and hope for marriages and families all around the world. Your support of the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> does just that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEvery day, we are reaching hundreds of thousands of moms and dads\/husbands and wives, who are coming to us asking for biblical guidance in their marriage and in their family; and that\u2019s what we\u2019re committed to providing. You make all that possible when you donate so that\u2014this radio program, this podcast, our website, our resources, our events\u2014all of it happens because of your generosity. Again, if you could make a donation today, we\u2019d love to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d by sending you Wendy Speake\u2019s book, \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>The 40-Day Social Media Fast<\/em>. Go online at FamilyLifeToday.com to donate, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make your donation. Again, the website, FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to hear from Wendy Speake about how our interaction with social media is having an impact, not just on our relationships with one another, but on our relationship with God as well. I hope you can tune in for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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