{"id":306928,"date":"2021-07-03T07:00:04","date_gmt":"2021-07-03T11:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/heaven-minded-2\/"},"modified":"2021-07-03T07:00:04","modified_gmt":"2021-07-03T11:00:04","slug":"heaven-minded-2","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-this-week\/heaven-minded-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Heaven minded"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>You have three months to live. What do you do? Matt and Lauren Chandler faced this reality when Matt was diagnosed with brain cancer. 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They had very different responses to that news.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I remember thinking, \u201cWe need to get this out as soon as possible. It is an intruder. It does not need to be in his brain.\u201d Matt\/he fell apart just thinking about our kids: \u201cWould they love God who took their dad from them?\u201d That was a really hard \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t24 hours\/those first 24 hours. I think you <em>saw<\/em> his theology come to life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> We\u2019re going to hear how one couple found the treasures of God when darkness fell and all hope seemed lost on this edition of <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>.\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I\u2019m Michelle Hill. We all have hard things happen in life, and it\u2019s how we handle the hard things that show our true character. Think about Job. Are we like Job?\u2014steady\u2014maybe questioning God a little bit\u2014but still steady. Or maybe we have the tendency to be Job\u2019s wife, and those words come through, \u201cCurse God and die.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen the tough thing happens, how well are you prepared? Will your anchor hold? Matt and Lauren Chandler are <em>intimate<\/em> with an unknown and difficult journey. Matt is the head pastor of the Village Church in Flower Mound, Texas. Lauren helps out at the church with worship, and she is also busy raising their three children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was Thanksgiving morning, nine years ago, when life changed in the Chandler household; and the unthinkable happened. Okay, I\u2019m going to stop right here. Think about Thanksgiving morning: \u201cWhat\u2019s it like in <em>your<\/em> house?\u201d You\u2019re either getting ready to go to a relative\u2019s house or you\u2019re ready to have people into <em>your<\/em> home. Pies are baking in the oven; somebody is busily wrestling a turkey, and stuffing it with who knows what, and sewing up that bottom. Next on the docket is a green bean casserole, sweet potato casserole, and all of that stuff. Or maybe you\u2019re rushing around, getting ready to go to someone <em>else\u2019s<\/em> house; and in the back of your mind, Christmas is looming.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd it was <em>that<\/em> morning in 2009 when Matt experienced a <em>massive<\/em> seizure and the ambulance was called. The Chandler family entered a journey that they <em>never<\/em> saw coming. Here\u2019s Lauren, sharing with Dennis Rainey and Bob Lepine her memories of the events that followed.\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>Broadcast]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> When they pulled him out of the back of the ambulance, he looked at me and was like, \u201cWhat\u2019s going on?\u201d He recognized me\u2014which, I mean, it really was a relief\u2014because I thought, \u201cHe\u2019s <em>never<\/em> going to know who I am for the rest of his life or the rest of my life.\u201d\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> They ran tests and the ER doctor said, \u201cYou need to go see a neurosurgeon. You need to get in as soon as possible; there is some kind of <em>mass<\/em> in your brain.\u201d We\u2019re hoping that it\u2019s just kind of something that doctors need to watch, that it\u2019s been there probably this whole time; and we just need to make sure that it\u2019s not growing. We were hoping it would be something benign. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe saw a neurosurgeon the following Tuesday. He showed us the film and said, \u201cThis looks pretty bad; so much so that I\u2019ve made room in my schedule on Friday to get you in to get this out.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Surgery\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes; brain surgery.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014on Friday.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes; Friday after Tuesday.\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> It\u2019s not my brain, so I can understand why I felt this way; but I remember thinking, \u201cWe need to get this out as soon as possible,\u201d\u2014\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> \u2014like, \u201cThis is an intruder; it does not need to be in his brain.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMatt\/he fell apart just thinking about our kids: \u201cWould they love God who, it seemed, took their dad from them?\u201d That was a really hard 24 hours\/those first 24 hours. Then, I think, you <em>saw<\/em> his theology come to life. He was like, \u201cYou know what? I really do believe that God is good; I really do. No matter what happens on Friday\u2014whether I lose my life, whether I don\u2019t come out the same person\u2014I know that He is good. He\u2019s going to take care of my family; He\u2019s going to take care of my kids; He\u2019s going to take care of this church.\u201d It took him about 24 hours to get to that point, which I think is\u2014it could take longer for a lot of people\u2014and that\u2019s okay\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sure; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> \u2014just wrestle and struggle through that. I think he finally got to this point where, \u201cI just have nothing else to hope in; this has got to be true.\u201d\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to stop you there; because what I want our listeners to hear: \u201cYou don\u2019t prepare for the storm in the middle of the storm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cYou prepare for the storm when the seas are calm, all the way up until you face the storm.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>The reason Matt was able to believe God was good was\u2014he had been preaching, teaching, living the Psalm that you talk about in your book, <em>Steadfast Love<\/em>\u2014Psalm 107, verse 1, which says, \u201cOh give thanks to the LORD, for He is good, for His steadfast love endures forever.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You don\u2019t get to that if you haven\u2019t been living by that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s what the storm does: is it exposes what you\u2019ve been trusting in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Lauren Chandler in an interview with Dennis and Bob, just last year, remembering the <em>hard<\/em> journey that she and her husband Matt have walked through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s a really good point: the time to prepare for the storm\u2014it\u2019s not in the middle of the storm\u2014as Lauren said, \u201cThe storm exposes who you\u2019ve been trusting.\u201d That was Lauren Chandler from 2017.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I want to peel back the layers a little bit and peek into, maybe the middle of this journey, a few years after the [terminal] brain cancer diagnosis, radiation and chemo treatments, when Bob Lepine had a chance to go down and sit with the Chandlers in their living room and hear from Matt and Lauren as they were walking in the <em>middle<\/em> of this storm. Here\u2019s Matt, talking about how he\u2019s been wrestling with trusting God, knowing that there\u2019s a high possibility of his imminent demise. Again, this is from an interview in 2012.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\u00a0\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> Really, as a man, who is not looking to escape\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI love my wife deeply; I love our children deeply; I love our family; I love coming home. It\u2019s been one of the <em>great<\/em> gifts of God and one of the <em>great<\/em> joys of my life, to be given the family that I\u2019ve been given, and the wife I\u2019ve been given. I don\u2019t just <em>love<\/em> my wife; I really <em>enjoy<\/em> Lauren, one of my best friends; and I\u2019m getting to like her more, and more, and more; I\u2019ve always liked her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014to worry about: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cDo I get this future?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cDo I get to be 60 and sip coffee with my wife in the morning?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cDo I get to be an empty nester? Do I get to come back around, in my 50\u2019s and just have my wife to myself again?\u2014and have our home, where we\u2019re not cleaning dirty diapers; and we\u2019re not having to magic erase marker off the wall; and we can actually have nice stuff that doesn\u2019t get destroyed in a year-and-a-half\/two years?\u2014to really, kind of enjoy one another.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then, look at this very real possibility of early\u2014and I don\u2019t think anybody leaves early; right?\u2014but to leave, honestly, before I thought I would.\u00a0It created in me\/really, what the Lord stirred up and showed me is that I had some idolatry in my life; and I had some confidence in <em>me<\/em> in my life that, ultimately, is the kind of idolatry that you would never get in trouble for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Lord had to, just really graciously go: \u201cYou love them more than I do?\u201d or \u201cYou\u2019re a better provider for your wife than I am?\u201d or \u201cReally, all your hopes and dreams about your family are built around <em>you<\/em>?\u201d Those were the kind of gut checks the Lord was having with me in those early days.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen one of the gifts\/one of the sweet gifts He gave me is that it is alright to mourn and alright to ask Him for things that maybe sounded selfish\u2014so believe He\u2019s sovereign; love Him more than anyone or anything else in the universe\u2014but I want to walk my daughter down the aisle; I do. And I want to see my boy become a man; and I\u2019d love to see him get married; and I\u2019d love to see him be a daddy; and I\u2019d love to have grandbabies. I <em>want<\/em> those things; it\u2019s not idolatrous for me to want those things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLike everything else, I just need to have an open hand\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matthew: <\/strong>\u2014and say, \u201cYou gave me the breath; You gave me the life; it\u2019s Yours to do with as You please; but ultimately, I have these desires; and I don\u2019t think they\u2019re wicked desires.\u201d Really, that was some of the wrestle that I was going through in those early days.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you, in these days, start to think about: \u201cOkay, if we only have two years, I want to make sure we do Hawaii; and I want to make sure we this and\u2026\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> We\u2019d already done Hawaii.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you start to go through the checklist of: \u201cHere\u2019s what\u2019s on the bucket list; let\u2019s get this done,\u201d and \u201cThen, we\u2019ve got to get prepared for if I\u2019m going to be a single parent and\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Were you doing all that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> No; I really believed that Matt had more than two to three years. I really felt like the Lord just say: \u201cToday; let\u2019s just think about today.\u201d I\u2019ve had years of guarding my heart and my mind against that, when this comes to play. We\u2019re doing this Galatians study\u2014Tim Keller\u2019s Galatians study with our church\u2014and he talks about, in Galatians, where he says that \u201cHe has prepared, in advance, the good works that we would do.\u201d He points out that He prepares <em>us<\/em> for these good works that He has coming for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, for so long, I read, \u201cOkay; He\u2019s got these good works. I\u2019ve got to keep my eye out for them, because I might miss them\u201d; but really, [I should be] focusing more on the Lord preparing <em>us<\/em> for these good works that He has for us to do. We\u2019re not going to miss them, because He\u2019s <em>shaping<\/em> us so that we can walk through these good works\u2014to not have a \u201cPlan B\u201d\u2014but to just trust the Lord for each day and that, ultimately, what I get\u2014because I\u2019m His\u2014is <em>Him<\/em>. That\u2019s really only the hope that lasts; that\u2019s only the desire that is fulfilled.\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cA hope deferred makes the heart sick\u201d; but there <em>is<\/em> a place where I can put hope, where it\u2019s not deferred\u2014and it\u2019s in <em>Jesus<\/em>\u2014that there is a desire that can be fulfilled; it\u2019s intimacy with Him and knowing Him. Whether that means I get two to three years with my husband\u2014or I get twenty to thirty years with him\u2014just trusting Him with each day and not getting too far ahead of Him and of the grace that\u2019s for that day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Matt, when you get a headache now\/when you start to get a headache\u2014do you start to go\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> My doctors were\/have been\u2014every one of them\u2014have been <em>brilliant<\/em> in coaching me through this. What I mean by that is: yes, anytime the weather changes, anytime the pollen kicks up in the air, anytime I get a headache, I go, \u201cOh man! Is this it? Here we go.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFinally, I went and had a scan\/a scheduled scan; and it was clear. I was, \u201cWhew!\u201d I talked to my neuro-oncologist and said, \u201cHey, I get\/I\u2019m having to remember: \u2018I got headaches before this; I had some allergies before this,\u2019\u201d\u2014every time I get a headache now\/every time I\u2019m fatigued now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the ways that the tumor was signaling\u2014that we were unaware of before the seizure\u2014was I had kind of become anti-social. I didn\u2019t want to go to parties; I didn\u2019t want to go to events with a lot of people. I just thought the growth of the church and the pace of life that we\u2019d been living had made me a bit of a recluse.\u00a0But what was happening was the tumor, and where it was located, was really making me kind of withdraw. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo anytime I feel like that\u2014anytime Lauren\u2019s like, \u201cHey, what do you think about going to this deal with the Bleakers and the Pattersons?\u201d\u2014good friends of ours\u2014and I go, \u201cI don\u2019t really want to do that,\u201d I feel myself now going, \u201cOh no, no! Let\u2019s do it! Let\u2019s go do it!\u201d [Laughter]I did have to figure out how to\u2014what we call it is\u2014\u201cthe new normal.\u201d I had to figure out the new normal, and I have to <em>preach<\/em> to myself far more.\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnother really residual effect, emotionally and spiritually, from this journey is you just have morbid thoughts all the time. We were on vacation last year in Florida; we\u2019re playing on the beach. My son and I are just kind of digging in the sand\u2014he\u2019s five at the time\u2014and I see this teenage boy throwing the football with his dad. I\u2019m having the thought, \u201cI wonder if I get to do that.\u201d I would have <em>never<\/em> had that thought before.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey opened up a new hospital here in town\u2014a really nice kind of hospital down from our church\u2014and when they opened it, I thought, \u201cI wonder if I\u2019m going to die there.\u201d I mean, those are the kind of thoughts that you're constantly having now, but I have to hold in check. My wife laughs at me; because she\u2019s like: \u201cWhat if we all die there?\u201d \u201cWhat if everybody\u2014you know, everybody we know\u2014maybe that\u2019s where we all go and die.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr on vacation, we took some pictures with some friends; and in my mind, I\u2019m like, \u201cHey, that little video thing they play at funerals, is this going to be one of those pictures?\u201d It\u2019s like you\u2019re <em>stuck<\/em> in that line of thinking, because it\u2019s very <em>real<\/em>. In some strange way, it\u2019s what Moses asked God for: \u201cTeach me to number my days\u201d; God\u2019s just kind of given us as a gift. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve still got to actively go in for scans regularly. They\u2019re still fully convinced that this takes my life\u2014and takes my life in under a decade\u2014they\u2019re still <em>fully<\/em> convinced of that. Those are some of the things that you kind of have to continue to walk in and learn to\u2014once again, open handedness\u2014\u201cMaybe I don\u2019t; but maybe I do. You know, Lord, I want that: I want to throw the ball with my boy on the beach when he\u2019s 16; I want him to be able to take trips with me; I want him to be able to do those things. But You\u2019re better, ultimately; so I want to voice to You that I want these things\/that I desire these things, but I trust You. If You want to call me home, then let\u2019s go. But I\u2019m like this\u2026\u201d That\u2019s kind of the rhythm I\u2019m in with the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe irony is, even talking with Lauren, that day on the beach\u2014I mean, I\u2019d go back that night; and I was like, \u201cHey, I had this thought\u2026\u201d She was like, \u201cI was thinking the same thing on my chair, reading my book!\u201d It\u2019s become this point for us, where we\u2019re just kind of real honest about, \u201cHey this is a thought I had, and I don\u2019t want to hold that thought to myself; I want to share it with you.\u201d\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe found some real peace with each other in this journey by me not harboring all these fears, or her not harboring all these fears\u2014kind of this joint rhythm of we want to express our <em>desire<\/em> for this before the Lord, while simultaneously saying\u2014\u201cBut what You want is better than what we want, and what You want will bring more joy than what we\u2019re saying we want.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Are you emotionally at a place where it\u2019s, \u201cLord, if You\u2019re ready to take him, let\u2019s go.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> No. [Laughter]I mean, I want him here; I want him here. I\u2019m not at the place where\u2014you know, if the Lord wants him, then that\u2019s fine\u2014I mean, I want him here; I want him here for decades, <em>but<\/em> I trust the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That was an interview with Matt and Lauren Chandler from 2012, being very honest about where they\u2019re standing with God and with their hope in the future. They\u2019re both trusting God, and they\u2019re both finding peace in what God has for them. According to doctors, Matt shouldn\u2019t be here right now: he shouldn\u2019t be delivering the powerful sermons that he does; he shouldn\u2019t be writing books; he shouldn\u2019t be taking his kids to their ball games and shouldn\u2019t be loving his wife; he should be dead. But by God\u2019s grace, he\u2019s doing all those things and more! Matt is a brain cancer survivor.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe need to take a break; but when we come back, we\u2019re going to hear from Lauren once again, from an interview in 2017. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Radio Station Spot Break]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Welcome back to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I\u2019m Michelle Hill. We\u2019ve been hearing, today, from Matt and Lauren Chandler and how God has walked them through a storm. Matt has survived almost <em>ten years<\/em> after being diagnosed with a type of brain cancer that is almost <em>always<\/em> fatal. Here\u2019s Lauren and Bob Lepine talking about this uncharted territory that they seem to be walking in right now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was told that Matt asked the question: \u201cSo, when I get past ten years, and I\u2019m still scan-free,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u2014\u201cwhat will you tell me <em>then<\/em>?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I know!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And they said, \u201cWe don\u2019t know\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u2014\u201cbecause no one\u2019s ever done that\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> You\u2019re right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cno one.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I think there have been a few that are right now\u2014that are probably like \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t15 years in\u2014but there are very, very few. There\u2019s just no statistic, really, for him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You feel like God\u2019s healed him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I do. I\u2019m just like, \u201cLord, You used that season,\u201d and \u201cI\u2019m going to believe that You chose to heal him; and until You show us otherwise, we\u2019re going to trust You for that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you\u2019re sitting in an oncologist\u2019s office, at a regular checkup and scan, and they come in and say, \u201cWell, it\u2019s not the news we\u2019d hoped for this time,\u201d is your heart ready for that?\u00a0\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know; I would hope it is, because of how God has sustained me in all these seasons. That\u2019s the thing about the book, because I don\u2019t start with the brain tumor; I go way back to these other seasons of my life, where the Lord has shown me that He\u2019s enough. I think I\u2019ll just take one day at a time and say, \u201cLord, I trust You,\u201d and \u201cI know You\u2019re still good, and I know you still sustain me with Your steadfast love.\u201d\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll ask for the Lord to heal, but I will receive what He has. I mean, it\u2019s not going to be easy; I\u2019m not going to trick myself into believing that it\u2019ll just be easy. But I do think, and I pray, that I will trust Him in it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So what would you have to say to a listener, who\u2019s at the beginning of this process?\u2014\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis<\/strong>: \u2014maybe it\u2019s their health; maybe it\u2019s a child\u2019s health; their spouse\u2019s. What would you instruct them to do as they read Psalm 107?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Take to heart that these people cried out and that you don\u2019t have to be okay with it. I sat with a woman, whose husband has been diagnosed with cancer, and she\u2019s\u2014with a really <em>aggressive<\/em> form of cancer\u2014and she\u2019s pregnant with her second child. It is a really hard situation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe\u2019s like, \u201cI just\/I\u2019m not okay with it right now.\u201d I said, \u201cI really don\u2019t think you have to be okay with it. I think you can be like, \u2018Lord, this is not right!\u2019\u201d And it\u2019s not! It is the effects of a broken world. I think it\u2019s okay to struggle with that\u2014and to <em>not<\/em> make peace with the problem or the trial\u2014but just to make peace with God. You cry out to Him, in all your snot and all your tears, and you ask Him for healing; but more than anything, you ask Him to be near and for Him to show you how near He really is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> God is not threatened\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u2014by our angry shouts,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u2014our tears, our cries of anguish, of grief, of sadness, of sorrow, of potential loss.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He can handle it; He\u2019s not insecure.\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But He is the anchor that people are looking for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTo that person, who doesn\u2019t know Jesus Christ right now, who\u2019s listening\u2014who may think they\u2019re ready for heaven but they have no idea how they\u2019re going to get there\/they have no idea what it takes to get there\u2014what would you say to that person?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; somebody who\u2014you described yourself, earlier, as somebody who was trying to please God but not really surrendered to Christ\u2014right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes; right. That\u2019s the cross\u2014is that I\u2019ve heard it just the most simply put\u2014Jesus lived the life you couldn\u2019t live and died the death you deserved to die. He didn\u2019t do it out of duty but out of \u201cfor the joy set before Him He endured the cross.\u201d That there is a God who loves you, who desires a relationship with you\u2014who is the God who designed us to be <em>with<\/em> Him; He is the God <em>with<\/em> us from the very beginning of time\u2014His desire has been to be <em>with<\/em> us and among us and to dwell among His people. He will use any trial and any season to draw you into Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow we can see that His love is true and it\u2019s lasting is by looking at Jesus, who gave up\u2014willingly endured one of the most violent, horrible, humiliating deaths\u2014so that we could know what it\u2019s like to be in a relationship with God. And the proof of it is that He didn\u2019t stay in the grave, but He rose. Just this proof of: \u201cI did it for you, because you couldn\u2019t on your own.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is that simple to just trust Him: to trust that Jesus has done it for you, that a relationship with God is possible, and that\u2019s what you\u2019re meant for. You were meant to draw near to Him to know Him\/to be used according to His purpose. That\u2019s where life at its fullest is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Such a great reminder from Lauren Chandler: apart from God, we are weak. We need to draw near to Him, because that\u2019s where your best life will always be. She talked about Psalm 107 that gave her and Matt hope during this hard journey. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPsalm 107 starts off with: \u201cOh give thanks to the LORD for He is good, for His lovingkindness is everlasting. Let the redeemed of the LORD say so.\u201d\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLater on in verse 14, it says: \u201cThey cried out to the LORD in their trouble, and He saved them out of their distress. He brought them out of darkness and the shadow of death and broke their bands apart. Let them give thanks to the LORD for His lovingkindness and for His wonders to the sons of men.\u201d I think we can say that the Chandlers are doing that, loud and clear, right now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, coming up next week, we\u2019re going to play a couple of rounds of the game of Life<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. You remember playing that board game; don\u2019t you? It\u2019s that game where you pick the color of car you want and then, through the game\u2019s journey, you go off to college; or you get married; or you have a couple of kids; and eventually, you retire. 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What do you do? Matt and Lauren Chandler faced this reality when Matt was diagnosed with brain cancer. They tell their story, and how their focus on heaven was sharpened.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/flw\/flw2021-07-03.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It was Thanksgiving, 2009, when Matt and Lauren received the devastating news that he had a cancerous brain tumor. They had very different responses to that news.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I remember thinking, \u201cWe need to get this out as soon as possible. It is an intruder. It does not need to be in his brain.\u201d Matt\/he fell apart just thinking about our kids: \u201cWould they love God who took their dad from them?\u201d That was a really hard \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t24 hours\/those first 24 hours. I think you <em>saw<\/em> his theology come to life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> We\u2019re going to hear how one couple found the treasures of God when darkness fell and all hope seemed lost on this edition of <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>.\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I\u2019m Michelle Hill. We all have hard things happen in life, and it\u2019s how we handle the hard things that show our true character. Think about Job. Are we like Job?\u2014steady\u2014maybe questioning God a little bit\u2014but still steady. Or maybe we have the tendency to be Job\u2019s wife, and those words come through, \u201cCurse God and die.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen the tough thing happens, how well are you prepared? Will your anchor hold? Matt and Lauren Chandler are <em>intimate<\/em> with an unknown and difficult journey. Matt is the head pastor of the Village Church in Flower Mound, Texas. Lauren helps out at the church with worship, and she is also busy raising their three children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was Thanksgiving morning, nine years ago, when life changed in the Chandler household; and the unthinkable happened. Okay, I\u2019m going to stop right here. Think about Thanksgiving morning: \u201cWhat\u2019s it like in <em>your<\/em> house?\u201d You\u2019re either getting ready to go to a relative\u2019s house or you\u2019re ready to have people into <em>your<\/em> home. Pies are baking in the oven; somebody is busily wrestling a turkey, and stuffing it with who knows what, and sewing up that bottom. Next on the docket is a green bean casserole, sweet potato casserole, and all of that stuff. Or maybe you\u2019re rushing around, getting ready to go to someone <em>else\u2019s<\/em> house; and in the back of your mind, Christmas is looming.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd it was <em>that<\/em> morning in 2009 when Matt experienced a <em>massive<\/em> seizure and the ambulance was called. The Chandler family entered a journey that they <em>never<\/em> saw coming. Here\u2019s Lauren, sharing with Dennis Rainey and Bob Lepine her memories of the events that followed.\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>Broadcast]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> When they pulled him out of the back of the ambulance, he looked at me and was like, \u201cWhat\u2019s going on?\u201d He recognized me\u2014which, I mean, it really was a relief\u2014because I thought, \u201cHe\u2019s <em>never<\/em> going to know who I am for the rest of his life or the rest of my life.\u201d\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> They ran tests and the ER doctor said, \u201cYou need to go see a neurosurgeon. You need to get in as soon as possible; there is some kind of <em>mass<\/em> in your brain.\u201d We\u2019re hoping that it\u2019s just kind of something that doctors need to watch, that it\u2019s been there probably this whole time; and we just need to make sure that it\u2019s not growing. We were hoping it would be something benign. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe saw a neurosurgeon the following Tuesday. He showed us the film and said, \u201cThis looks pretty bad; so much so that I\u2019ve made room in my schedule on Friday to get you in to get this out.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Surgery\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes; brain surgery.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014on Friday.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes; Friday after Tuesday.\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> It\u2019s not my brain, so I can understand why I felt this way; but I remember thinking, \u201cWe need to get this out as soon as possible,\u201d\u2014\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> \u2014like, \u201cThis is an intruder; it does not need to be in his brain.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMatt\/he fell apart just thinking about our kids: \u201cWould they love God who, it seemed, took their dad from them?\u201d That was a really hard 24 hours\/those first 24 hours. Then, I think, you <em>saw<\/em> his theology come to life. He was like, \u201cYou know what? I really do believe that God is good; I really do. No matter what happens on Friday\u2014whether I lose my life, whether I don\u2019t come out the same person\u2014I know that He is good. He\u2019s going to take care of my family; He\u2019s going to take care of my kids; He\u2019s going to take care of this church.\u201d It took him about 24 hours to get to that point, which I think is\u2014it could take longer for a lot of people\u2014and that\u2019s okay\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sure; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> \u2014just wrestle and struggle through that. I think he finally got to this point where, \u201cI just have nothing else to hope in; this has got to be true.\u201d\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to stop you there; because what I want our listeners to hear: \u201cYou don\u2019t prepare for the storm in the middle of the storm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cYou prepare for the storm when the seas are calm, all the way up until you face the storm.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>The reason Matt was able to believe God was good was\u2014he had been preaching, teaching, living the Psalm that you talk about in your book, <em>Steadfast Love<\/em>\u2014Psalm 107, verse 1, which says, \u201cOh give thanks to the LORD, for He is good, for His steadfast love endures forever.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You don\u2019t get to that if you haven\u2019t been living by that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s what the storm does: is it exposes what you\u2019ve been trusting in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Lauren Chandler in an interview with Dennis and Bob, just last year, remembering the <em>hard<\/em> journey that she and her husband Matt have walked through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s a really good point: the time to prepare for the storm\u2014it\u2019s not in the middle of the storm\u2014as Lauren said, \u201cThe storm exposes who you\u2019ve been trusting.\u201d That was Lauren Chandler from 2017.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I want to peel back the layers a little bit and peek into, maybe the middle of this journey, a few years after the [terminal] brain cancer diagnosis, radiation and chemo treatments, when Bob Lepine had a chance to go down and sit with the Chandlers in their living room and hear from Matt and Lauren as they were walking in the <em>middle<\/em> of this storm. Here\u2019s Matt, talking about how he\u2019s been wrestling with trusting God, knowing that there\u2019s a high possibility of his imminent demise. Again, this is from an interview in 2012.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\u00a0\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> Really, as a man, who is not looking to escape\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI love my wife deeply; I love our children deeply; I love our family; I love coming home. It\u2019s been one of the <em>great<\/em> gifts of God and one of the <em>great<\/em> joys of my life, to be given the family that I\u2019ve been given, and the wife I\u2019ve been given. I don\u2019t just <em>love<\/em> my wife; I really <em>enjoy<\/em> Lauren, one of my best friends; and I\u2019m getting to like her more, and more, and more; I\u2019ve always liked her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014to worry about: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cDo I get this future?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cDo I get to be 60 and sip coffee with my wife in the morning?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cDo I get to be an empty nester? Do I get to come back around, in my 50\u2019s and just have my wife to myself again?\u2014and have our home, where we\u2019re not cleaning dirty diapers; and we\u2019re not having to magic erase marker off the wall; and we can actually have nice stuff that doesn\u2019t get destroyed in a year-and-a-half\/two years?\u2014to really, kind of enjoy one another.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then, look at this very real possibility of early\u2014and I don\u2019t think anybody leaves early; right?\u2014but to leave, honestly, before I thought I would.\u00a0It created in me\/really, what the Lord stirred up and showed me is that I had some idolatry in my life; and I had some confidence in <em>me<\/em> in my life that, ultimately, is the kind of idolatry that you would never get in trouble for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Lord had to, just really graciously go: \u201cYou love them more than I do?\u201d or \u201cYou\u2019re a better provider for your wife than I am?\u201d or \u201cReally, all your hopes and dreams about your family are built around <em>you<\/em>?\u201d Those were the kind of gut checks the Lord was having with me in those early days.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen one of the gifts\/one of the sweet gifts He gave me is that it is alright to mourn and alright to ask Him for things that maybe sounded selfish\u2014so believe He\u2019s sovereign; love Him more than anyone or anything else in the universe\u2014but I want to walk my daughter down the aisle; I do. And I want to see my boy become a man; and I\u2019d love to see him get married; and I\u2019d love to see him be a daddy; and I\u2019d love to have grandbabies. I <em>want<\/em> those things; it\u2019s not idolatrous for me to want those things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLike everything else, I just need to have an open hand\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matthew: <\/strong>\u2014and say, \u201cYou gave me the breath; You gave me the life; it\u2019s Yours to do with as You please; but ultimately, I have these desires; and I don\u2019t think they\u2019re wicked desires.\u201d Really, that was some of the wrestle that I was going through in those early days.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you, in these days, start to think about: \u201cOkay, if we only have two years, I want to make sure we do Hawaii; and I want to make sure we this and\u2026\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> We\u2019d already done Hawaii.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you start to go through the checklist of: \u201cHere\u2019s what\u2019s on the bucket list; let\u2019s get this done,\u201d and \u201cThen, we\u2019ve got to get prepared for if I\u2019m going to be a single parent and\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Were you doing all that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> No; I really believed that Matt had more than two to three years. I really felt like the Lord just say: \u201cToday; let\u2019s just think about today.\u201d I\u2019ve had years of guarding my heart and my mind against that, when this comes to play. We\u2019re doing this Galatians study\u2014Tim Keller\u2019s Galatians study with our church\u2014and he talks about, in Galatians, where he says that \u201cHe has prepared, in advance, the good works that we would do.\u201d He points out that He prepares <em>us<\/em> for these good works that He has coming for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, for so long, I read, \u201cOkay; He\u2019s got these good works. I\u2019ve got to keep my eye out for them, because I might miss them\u201d; but really, [I should be] focusing more on the Lord preparing <em>us<\/em> for these good works that He has for us to do. We\u2019re not going to miss them, because He\u2019s <em>shaping<\/em> us so that we can walk through these good works\u2014to not have a \u201cPlan B\u201d\u2014but to just trust the Lord for each day and that, ultimately, what I get\u2014because I\u2019m His\u2014is <em>Him<\/em>. That\u2019s really only the hope that lasts; that\u2019s only the desire that is fulfilled.\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cA hope deferred makes the heart sick\u201d; but there <em>is<\/em> a place where I can put hope, where it\u2019s not deferred\u2014and it\u2019s in <em>Jesus<\/em>\u2014that there is a desire that can be fulfilled; it\u2019s intimacy with Him and knowing Him. Whether that means I get two to three years with my husband\u2014or I get twenty to thirty years with him\u2014just trusting Him with each day and not getting too far ahead of Him and of the grace that\u2019s for that day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Matt, when you get a headache now\/when you start to get a headache\u2014do you start to go\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> My doctors were\/have been\u2014every one of them\u2014have been <em>brilliant<\/em> in coaching me through this. What I mean by that is: yes, anytime the weather changes, anytime the pollen kicks up in the air, anytime I get a headache, I go, \u201cOh man! Is this it? Here we go.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFinally, I went and had a scan\/a scheduled scan; and it was clear. I was, \u201cWhew!\u201d I talked to my neuro-oncologist and said, \u201cHey, I get\/I\u2019m having to remember: \u2018I got headaches before this; I had some allergies before this,\u2019\u201d\u2014every time I get a headache now\/every time I\u2019m fatigued now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the ways that the tumor was signaling\u2014that we were unaware of before the seizure\u2014was I had kind of become anti-social. I didn\u2019t want to go to parties; I didn\u2019t want to go to events with a lot of people. I just thought the growth of the church and the pace of life that we\u2019d been living had made me a bit of a recluse.\u00a0But what was happening was the tumor, and where it was located, was really making me kind of withdraw. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo anytime I feel like that\u2014anytime Lauren\u2019s like, \u201cHey, what do you think about going to this deal with the Bleakers and the Pattersons?\u201d\u2014good friends of ours\u2014and I go, \u201cI don\u2019t really want to do that,\u201d I feel myself now going, \u201cOh no, no! Let\u2019s do it! Let\u2019s go do it!\u201d [Laughter]I did have to figure out how to\u2014what we call it is\u2014\u201cthe new normal.\u201d I had to figure out the new normal, and I have to <em>preach<\/em> to myself far more.\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnother really residual effect, emotionally and spiritually, from this journey is you just have morbid thoughts all the time. We were on vacation last year in Florida; we\u2019re playing on the beach. My son and I are just kind of digging in the sand\u2014he\u2019s five at the time\u2014and I see this teenage boy throwing the football with his dad. I\u2019m having the thought, \u201cI wonder if I get to do that.\u201d I would have <em>never<\/em> had that thought before.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey opened up a new hospital here in town\u2014a really nice kind of hospital down from our church\u2014and when they opened it, I thought, \u201cI wonder if I\u2019m going to die there.\u201d I mean, those are the kind of thoughts that you're constantly having now, but I have to hold in check. My wife laughs at me; because she\u2019s like: \u201cWhat if we all die there?\u201d \u201cWhat if everybody\u2014you know, everybody we know\u2014maybe that\u2019s where we all go and die.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr on vacation, we took some pictures with some friends; and in my mind, I\u2019m like, \u201cHey, that little video thing they play at funerals, is this going to be one of those pictures?\u201d It\u2019s like you\u2019re <em>stuck<\/em> in that line of thinking, because it\u2019s very <em>real<\/em>. In some strange way, it\u2019s what Moses asked God for: \u201cTeach me to number my days\u201d; God\u2019s just kind of given us as a gift. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve still got to actively go in for scans regularly. They\u2019re still fully convinced that this takes my life\u2014and takes my life in under a decade\u2014they\u2019re still <em>fully<\/em> convinced of that. Those are some of the things that you kind of have to continue to walk in and learn to\u2014once again, open handedness\u2014\u201cMaybe I don\u2019t; but maybe I do. You know, Lord, I want that: I want to throw the ball with my boy on the beach when he\u2019s 16; I want him to be able to take trips with me; I want him to be able to do those things. But You\u2019re better, ultimately; so I want to voice to You that I want these things\/that I desire these things, but I trust You. If You want to call me home, then let\u2019s go. But I\u2019m like this\u2026\u201d That\u2019s kind of the rhythm I\u2019m in with the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe irony is, even talking with Lauren, that day on the beach\u2014I mean, I\u2019d go back that night; and I was like, \u201cHey, I had this thought\u2026\u201d She was like, \u201cI was thinking the same thing on my chair, reading my book!\u201d It\u2019s become this point for us, where we\u2019re just kind of real honest about, \u201cHey this is a thought I had, and I don\u2019t want to hold that thought to myself; I want to share it with you.\u201d\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe found some real peace with each other in this journey by me not harboring all these fears, or her not harboring all these fears\u2014kind of this joint rhythm of we want to express our <em>desire<\/em> for this before the Lord, while simultaneously saying\u2014\u201cBut what You want is better than what we want, and what You want will bring more joy than what we\u2019re saying we want.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Are you emotionally at a place where it\u2019s, \u201cLord, if You\u2019re ready to take him, let\u2019s go.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> No. [Laughter]I mean, I want him here; I want him here. I\u2019m not at the place where\u2014you know, if the Lord wants him, then that\u2019s fine\u2014I mean, I want him here; I want him here for decades, <em>but<\/em> I trust the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That was an interview with Matt and Lauren Chandler from 2012, being very honest about where they\u2019re standing with God and with their hope in the future. They\u2019re both trusting God, and they\u2019re both finding peace in what God has for them. According to doctors, Matt shouldn\u2019t be here right now: he shouldn\u2019t be delivering the powerful sermons that he does; he shouldn\u2019t be writing books; he shouldn\u2019t be taking his kids to their ball games and shouldn\u2019t be loving his wife; he should be dead. But by God\u2019s grace, he\u2019s doing all those things and more! Matt is a brain cancer survivor.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe need to take a break; but when we come back, we\u2019re going to hear from Lauren once again, from an interview in 2017. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Radio Station Spot Break]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Welcome back to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I\u2019m Michelle Hill. We\u2019ve been hearing, today, from Matt and Lauren Chandler and how God has walked them through a storm. Matt has survived almost <em>ten years<\/em> after being diagnosed with a type of brain cancer that is almost <em>always<\/em> fatal. Here\u2019s Lauren and Bob Lepine talking about this uncharted territory that they seem to be walking in right now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was told that Matt asked the question: \u201cSo, when I get past ten years, and I\u2019m still scan-free,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u2014\u201cwhat will you tell me <em>then<\/em>?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I know!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And they said, \u201cWe don\u2019t know\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u2014\u201cbecause no one\u2019s ever done that\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> You\u2019re right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cno one.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I think there have been a few that are right now\u2014that are probably like \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t15 years in\u2014but there are very, very few. There\u2019s just no statistic, really, for him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You feel like God\u2019s healed him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I do. I\u2019m just like, \u201cLord, You used that season,\u201d and \u201cI\u2019m going to believe that You chose to heal him; and until You show us otherwise, we\u2019re going to trust You for that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you\u2019re sitting in an oncologist\u2019s office, at a regular checkup and scan, and they come in and say, \u201cWell, it\u2019s not the news we\u2019d hoped for this time,\u201d is your heart ready for that?\u00a0\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know; I would hope it is, because of how God has sustained me in all these seasons. That\u2019s the thing about the book, because I don\u2019t start with the brain tumor; I go way back to these other seasons of my life, where the Lord has shown me that He\u2019s enough. I think I\u2019ll just take one day at a time and say, \u201cLord, I trust You,\u201d and \u201cI know You\u2019re still good, and I know you still sustain me with Your steadfast love.\u201d\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll ask for the Lord to heal, but I will receive what He has. I mean, it\u2019s not going to be easy; I\u2019m not going to trick myself into believing that it\u2019ll just be easy. But I do think, and I pray, that I will trust Him in it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So what would you have to say to a listener, who\u2019s at the beginning of this process?\u2014\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis<\/strong>: \u2014maybe it\u2019s their health; maybe it\u2019s a child\u2019s health; their spouse\u2019s. What would you instruct them to do as they read Psalm 107?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Take to heart that these people cried out and that you don\u2019t have to be okay with it. I sat with a woman, whose husband has been diagnosed with cancer, and she\u2019s\u2014with a really <em>aggressive<\/em> form of cancer\u2014and she\u2019s pregnant with her second child. It is a really hard situation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe\u2019s like, \u201cI just\/I\u2019m not okay with it right now.\u201d I said, \u201cI really don\u2019t think you have to be okay with it. I think you can be like, \u2018Lord, this is not right!\u2019\u201d And it\u2019s not! It is the effects of a broken world. I think it\u2019s okay to struggle with that\u2014and to <em>not<\/em> make peace with the problem or the trial\u2014but just to make peace with God. You cry out to Him, in all your snot and all your tears, and you ask Him for healing; but more than anything, you ask Him to be near and for Him to show you how near He really is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> God is not threatened\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u2014by our angry shouts,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u2014our tears, our cries of anguish, of grief, of sadness, of sorrow, of potential loss.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He can handle it; He\u2019s not insecure.\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But He is the anchor that people are looking for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTo that person, who doesn\u2019t know Jesus Christ right now, who\u2019s listening\u2014who may think they\u2019re ready for heaven but they have no idea how they\u2019re going to get there\/they have no idea what it takes to get there\u2014what would you say to that person?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; somebody who\u2014you described yourself, earlier, as somebody who was trying to please God but not really surrendered to Christ\u2014right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes; right. That\u2019s the cross\u2014is that I\u2019ve heard it just the most simply put\u2014Jesus lived the life you couldn\u2019t live and died the death you deserved to die. He didn\u2019t do it out of duty but out of \u201cfor the joy set before Him He endured the cross.\u201d That there is a God who loves you, who desires a relationship with you\u2014who is the God who designed us to be <em>with<\/em> Him; He is the God <em>with<\/em> us from the very beginning of time\u2014His desire has been to be <em>with<\/em> us and among us and to dwell among His people. He will use any trial and any season to draw you into Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow we can see that His love is true and it\u2019s lasting is by looking at Jesus, who gave up\u2014willingly endured one of the most violent, horrible, humiliating deaths\u2014so that we could know what it\u2019s like to be in a relationship with God. And the proof of it is that He didn\u2019t stay in the grave, but He rose. Just this proof of: \u201cI did it for you, because you couldn\u2019t on your own.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is that simple to just trust Him: to trust that Jesus has done it for you, that a relationship with God is possible, and that\u2019s what you\u2019re meant for. You were meant to draw near to Him to know Him\/to be used according to His purpose. That\u2019s where life at its fullest is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Such a great reminder from Lauren Chandler: apart from God, we are weak. We need to draw near to Him, because that\u2019s where your best life will always be. She talked about Psalm 107 that gave her and Matt hope during this hard journey. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPsalm 107 starts off with: \u201cOh give thanks to the LORD for He is good, for His lovingkindness is everlasting. Let the redeemed of the LORD say so.\u201d\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLater on in verse 14, it says: \u201cThey cried out to the LORD in their trouble, and He saved them out of their distress. He brought them out of darkness and the shadow of death and broke their bands apart. Let them give thanks to the LORD for His lovingkindness and for His wonders to the sons of men.\u201d I think we can say that the Chandlers are doing that, loud and clear, right now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, coming up next week, we\u2019re going to play a couple of rounds of the game of Life<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. You remember playing that board game; don\u2019t you? It\u2019s that game where you pick the color of car you want and then, through the game\u2019s journey, you go off to college; or you get married; or you have a couple of kids; and eventually, you retire. 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