{"id":306872,"date":"2021-06-05T07:00:06","date_gmt":"2021-06-05T11:00:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/god-glorifying-disability-2\/"},"modified":"2021-06-05T07:00:06","modified_gmt":"2021-06-05T11:00:06","slug":"god-glorifying-disability-2","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-this-week\/god-glorifying-disability-2\/","title":{"rendered":"God-Glorifying Disability"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Being equipped for every good work takes on a whole new dimension for Dave and Gloria Furman, Jay and Katherine Wolf, and Julie Denker as they share what it&#8217;s like to care for or live as an adult with a disability.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dave and Gloria Furman, Jay and Katherine Wolf, and Julie Denker share what it&#8217;s like to care for or live as an adult with a disability.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/familylifethisweek.s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com\/flw2021-06-05.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:27:34","filesize":"25.24M","filesize_raw":"26462151","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2848],"tags":[6979,4178,5745],"podcast_series":[],"cwp_profile":[9334,3393,3405,9497],"series":[10388],"class_list":["post-306872","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","hentry","category-cultural-issues","tag-caretaker","tag-disabilities","tag-disabled","cwp_profile-dave-furman","cwp_profile-gloria-furman","cwp_profile-jay-and-katherine-wolf","cwp_profile-julie-denker","series-familylife-this-week"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":false,"episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/10\/FLTW-Podcast-Cover-2-1400x1400-1-300x300-1.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/dts.podtrac.com\/redirect.mp3\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/306872\/god-glorifying-disability-2","player_link":"https:\/\/dts.podtrac.com\/redirect.mp3\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/306872\/god-glorifying-disability-2","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-this-week","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"JReE9NubPO\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-this-week\/god-glorifying-disability-2\/\">God-Glorifying Disability<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-this-week\/god-glorifying-disability-2\/embed\/#?secret=JReE9NubPO\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;God-Glorifying Disability&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"JReE9NubPO\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! This file is auto-generated *\/\n!function(d,l){\"use strict\";l.querySelector&&d.addEventListener&&\"undefined\"!=typeof URL&&(d.wp=d.wp||{},d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage||(d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage=function(e){var t=e.data;if((t||t.secret||t.message||t.value)&&!\/[^a-zA-Z0-9]\/.test(t.secret)){for(var s,r,n,a=l.querySelectorAll('iframe[data-secret=\"'+t.secret+'\"]'),o=l.querySelectorAll('blockquote[data-secret=\"'+t.secret+'\"]'),c=new RegExp(\"^https?:$\",\"i\"),i=0;i<o.length;i++)o[i].style.display=\"none\";for(i=0;i<a.length;i++)s=a[i],e.source===s.contentWindow&&(s.removeAttribute(\"style\"),\"height\"===t.message?(1e3<(r=parseInt(t.value,10))?r=1e3:~~r<200&&(r=200),s.height=r):\"link\"===t.message&&(r=new URL(s.getAttribute(\"src\")),n=new URL(t.value),c.test(n.protocol))&&n.host===r.host&&l.activeElement===s&&(d.top.location.href=t.value))}},d.addEventListener(\"message\",d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage,!1),l.addEventListener(\"DOMContentLoaded\",function(){for(var e,t,s=l.querySelectorAll(\"iframe.wp-embedded-content\"),r=0;r<s.length;r++)(t=(e=s[r]).getAttribute(\"data-secret\"))||(t=Math.random().toString(36).substring(2,12),e.src+=\"#?secret=\"+t,e.setAttribute(\"data-secret\",t)),e.contentWindow.postMessage({message:\"ready\",secret:t},\"*\")},!1)))}(window,document);\n\/\/# sourceURL=https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-includes\/js\/wp-embed.min.js\n<\/script>\n"},"spectra_custom_meta":{"_wp_page_template":["default"],"transcript_url":["https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/flw\/flw2021-06-05.pdf"],"audio_file":["https:\/\/familylifethisweek.s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com\/flw2021-06-05.mp3"],"transcript_content":["<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Dave Furman has a degenerative muscular condition. This condition keeps him from opening doors, buttoning his shirt, or typing on a keyboard; but here\u2019s the rub. His condition is not obvious to most of us who watch him; but for Dave\u2019s wife Gloria, this presents some unique challenges, especially when they are together in public. Here is Gloria.\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> I unlocked the car and got Dave in, buckled his seatbelt, got the baby into her car seat, and started loading the back of the trunk. Then, when I brought the bellhop cart back to the inside of the hotel\u2014there\u2019d been some ladies who had been watching me the whole time\u2014they started heckling me and said things like: \u201cYou don\u2019t deserve that. You deserve a man who can do these things. Your husband is no good. Why do you put up with that?\u201d\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Have you ever been one of those hecklers? I\u2019ve got to admit I have, at least, in my heart; because I misunderstand the situation\/I misunderstand what\u2019s really going on. We\u2019re going to talk about disabilities today and how we can be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem. Stay tuned to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>.\n\nWelcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I\u2019m Michelle Hill. You know, for those of us who are Christians, we understand that God is making all things new. Yet, we live in a broken world; and we face suffering every day. Helen Keller once said, \u201cAlthough the world is full of suffering, it is also full of the overcoming of it.\u201d Sometimes, that suffering is because our bodies don\u2019t work well; they don\u2019t work the way we would want them to. Helen Keller knew this well, because she lost her sight and her hearing at a very young age.\n\nOver one billion people in the world live with a disability; and 20 percent of the US population is disabled in some way, making it the largest minority group in America. You know, disability is not just always something that we are born with. Sometimes, it comes on as a surprise, or an accident, or through an illness. Disability is hard; but when it touches a marriage, it has its own dynamic.\n\nKatherine Wolf and her husband Jay found this out, but their lives looked normal. In fact, they were almost star-crossed when they moved to California. She was an aspiring model, and he was in law school. They were pregnant with their first child; but shortly after their son was born, she was in kitchen, preparing a meal, when she experienced a brain stem aneurysm.\n\nNow, the thing about aneurysms is that they are usually fatal; but Katherine didn\u2019t die, although she did spend one year in the hospital and one year in rehab; and that\u2019s a long time. For her husband Jay, well, this raised a whole new set of questions in their marriage.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Jay:<\/strong> We didn\u2019t know what we were signing up for\u2014so all of us\u2014like: \u201cWait a minute. This is what I thought my reality was going to be\u2026\u201d\u2014my future, and my wife, just my whole situation. That was really personified in my marriage, early on, to say, \u201cI didn\u2019t know this is what our life was going to be.\u201d The question becomes: \u201cWhat do I do with that? What is commitment? What does covenant look like, even if it looks different than I thought it would look?\u201d\n\nThere was a lot of loss that was made very apparent in that: \u201cWho are we now together? We\u2019re very different.\u201d There was a relearning who this spouse was that: \u201cIf we are one, then, how can we come back together in every sense of that?\u201d It really\/there was a long process of relearning who Katherine was and who I was.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Jay Wolf talking about his marriage to Katherine and all that they had to overcome.\n\nNow, put yourself in his shoes. That had to have been difficult; right? I mean after all, you had this wonderful marriage; and then, all of a sudden, your wife was not who she was before when you said those vows.\n\nNow, for Katherine, who has ten years to process all of this, she sees what God is doing in her life; and she also sees that her disability is, perhaps, a foreshadowing of what we all deal with. Here\u2019s Katherine.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Katherine:<\/strong> I have a paralyzed face; and yet, who feels beautiful?\u2014or doesn\u2019t have appearance issues, even if they look totally normal? I have a very messed up vocal cord; I can\u2019t speak normally. Yet, who feels understood all the time, even if they can speak? I have no fine motor coordination in my hand; it makes it very difficult to do a number of tasks, including caring for a child. However, who doesn\u2019t have issues with the type of parent they are? The reality is my body is actually a very accurate representation of what we\u2019re all feeling on the inside anyway.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s Katherine Wolf. As Katherine said, we all have disabilities, just some we can see and some that we can\u2019t. Now, what about those, who have disabilities that you can\u2019t see? What\u2019s life like for people with hidden disabilities and their families? Dave and Gloria Furman know this reality well.\n\nDave is a senior pastor of Redeemer Church in Dubai. Over 15 years ago, Dave developed a nerve disease, and that means he struggles with disability in both arms. There are times that Dave couldn\u2019t touch anything: he can\u2019t feed himself with a metal fork, can\u2019t take a drink; he can\u2019t pick up his children; he can\u2019t type on a keyboard.\n\nGloria is his wife and his primary caregiver. In a recent interview with Dennis Rainey and Bob Lepine, Dave and Gloria remember what it was like before this disability.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, Gloria and I got married 14 years ago. There is a picture in my office, actually, of the day we got engaged; and I\u2019m actually holding Gloria, picked her off the ground; I\u2019m holding her in my arms in Boston, like the moments after we got engaged. At that point, we got married three months later; and we thought we were going to change the world.\n\nWe had no idea that, a few years into marriage, we would be at a hotel; and we would try to be floating down the lazy river of a waterpark. I literally got stuck in the inner tube, and I couldn\u2019t get out; because during those first years of marriage, I developed a nerve disability in my arms, where I ended up not being able to carry anything, pick up anything, even shake hands, or drive. We went through a number of surgeries, a number of procedures, and nothing seemed to help.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What\u2019s it called?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, there are different names for it; but one name is reflex sympathetic dystrophy. Basically, the ulnar nerve in both my arms\u2014the nerve that connects with your two smaller fingers\u2014just doesn\u2019t work. Almost the exact month that we made plans to serve in the Middle East, my nerves just kind of went.\n\nWe were, actually, living here in Little Rock, Arkansas. We tried to get all the help we could. My health just went down further, and further, and further until we moved over to the Middle East. One night, I was driving the car. During the drive, Gloria had popped in [a store] to grab some groceries. When she came back out, I was literally in tears, not being able to control the car anymore. That really led me into just a real deep, dark depression. The pain was so severe; we really couldn\u2019t make it.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So Gloria, you had to drive\u2014\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014today?\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> Yes, today\u2014every day, all the time, every trip. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Not just drive, but you have to cut food.\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You have to open doors,\u2014\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014carry bags.\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> In fact, you tell the story in the book about bringing some groceries out.\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You pull up\u2014\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> Oh, yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014in front.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Where was that?\u00a0 Was that Nashville at the Opryland Hotel; wasn\u2019t it?\u00a0 [Laughter] We were loading the car.\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> I was loading the car. I had one of those bellman\/bellhop carts with our suitcases on it, a Pack \u2018n Play for a baby. Stroller\u2014I was pushing that\u2014and pulling the cart at the same time. Dave just kind of walked up to the car. I unlocked the car and got Dave in, buckled his seatbelt, got the baby into her car seat, and started loading the back of the trunk.\n\nThen, when I brought the bellhop cart back to the inside of the hotel\u2014there\u2019d been some ladies who had been watching me the whole time\u2014they started heckling me and said things like: \u201cYou don\u2019t deserve that. You deserve a man who can do these things. Your husband is no good. Why do you put up with that?\u201d\u2014just heckling me. I had a moment to collect my thoughts, as I put the bellhop cart back, and then, walked back out toward the car. All I could say is, \u201cHe\u2019s disabled,\u201d and just keep walking.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But Gloria, we go back to your wedding day. This was not\u2014I mean, you said, \u201c\u2026for better or worse\u2026\u201d\u2014you didn\u2019t know this was coming.\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> Right, right; right. I think, if someone had pressed me and said, \u201cWhen one of you gets sick, what will you do?\u201d\u00a0 \u201cOh, of course, I will serve!\u00a0 I will gladly serve. I will serve with the strength the Lord provides.\u201d\u00a0 I just\/I don\u2019t think I envisioned that as something\u2014\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No; yes.\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> \u2014that was eminent, around the corner, and then, chronic and ongoing.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; do you think, if somebody had said: \u201cI\u2019ve seen the future. Let me tell you what\u2019s coming,\u201d\u2014do you think you would have rethought, \u201cI do\u201d?\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> I would have had some <em>serious<\/em> soul-searching to do: \u201cAm I able to do this?\u201d\u00a0 I would have asked myself: \u201cCan I?\u00a0 Can I? Can I?\u201d\u00a0 And then, hopefully, Lord willing, the Spirit would assure my soul: \u201cNo; you cannot!\u00a0 With the strength the Lord provides, you can do all of these things that God calls you to do.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Has there been a time, over the last five years, as you\u2019ve adjusted to this, has there been a time when you\u2019ve thought: \u201cI didn\u2019t want this. I didn\u2019t sign up for this. Why this burden on me?\u00a0 I mean, we\u2019re trying to go reach the world for Christ. We should get the easy path, not the hard path\u201d?\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> I think I have thoughts and questions. Sometimes, those questions do tumble around in my mind; but I\u2019m assured very quickly, because I\u2019ve seen the grace of God at work in our own lives and in the work of the people whom we serve in the Middle East.\n\nOne particular example that comes to mind is when people come\u2014and they come to our church\u2014perhaps, they\u2019ve been exposed to Christianity before. Maybe, they\u2019ve seen a preacher on the TV claim crazy things about what godly, holy people get to do because of Jesus\u2019 favor on them. Then, they come and they see a disabled pastor, it doesn\u2019t make any sense with their worldview; it doesn\u2019t make any sense with the Christianity that they thought they knew.\n\nThen, Dave gets to minister to those people. He talks them out of their prosperity cult\u2014[Laughter]\u2014and shares the true gospel with them\u2014that just because you follow Jesus, doesn\u2019t mean you get an easy\/physically-easy path.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; I was going to ask you: \u201cDid you ever think about suicide?\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I never planned suicide. I never thought deeply about it; but I said a thousand times a day: \u201cI wish I was dead,\u201d \u201cI wish I was dead,\u201d and \u201cI wish I didn\u2019t have arms.\u201d Those thoughts just filled my mind, and filled my heart, and soul on a regular basis. That went on for a year-and-a-half, so these verses weren\u2019t true in my heart.\n\nThen, about a year-and-a-half in, God\u2019s kindness, we were rebuked by some friends\u2014got ahold of some good material on the gospel, and applying it to my heart, and applying it to my trials\u2014I began to see a little bit of what Paul\u2019s talking about here, that your joy needs to be tied into your identity in Christ, and not your ever-changing circumstances, but the one great permanent circumstance that is the gospel\/that is our union with Jesus. Finally, a year-and-a-half in, I began to see that there was more to this life than healthy arms and that I could, in fact, have joy, even in pain.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You know, Dave and Gloria shared some verses that got them through this time, and really got them over the hump of accepting the journey that they were walking, and the life that God had given them. That was Philippians 4, verses 4-7, which say: \u201cRejoice in the Lord always. Again, I will say rejoice. Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand. Do not be anxious about anything; but in everything, by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God, and the peace of God which surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.\u201d\n\nYou know, as I said before, there were times that Dave couldn\u2019t touch anything\u2014just the physical contact on his skin gave him pain that was <em>unbearable<\/em>\u2014he couldn\u2019t hold his wife\u2019s hand or stroke her face, and he got depressed. That was during the time, as he said, he just wanted to die; but it was during that time that some doctors began to think that Dave would be a <em>great<\/em> candidate for a surgery that could restore his arms. Here\u2019s Dave.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We were getting ready for this surgery. It was amazing that these Johns Hopkins physicians were actually going to be in Dubai and were going to do surgery in Dubai. They had promised about 85 percent chance of full healing, that I would be healed of this disability\/be playing tennis in no time.\n\nWe go to the hospital on their very last day in Dubai. We got there about noon; we were there all day long. I am ready for the surgery. The problem was, as the day went on, no one was ready for me. I am there, hooked up to the IV. Finally, eight or nine hours in, I get wheeled down to the surgery. I wait there for about two hours, and then the crushing news came that it was too late in the day. The doctors needed to catch their flight, and the surgery was completely cancelled.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I remember lying, all by myself, down in the basement, outside the operating room. They actually forgot about me for about an hour and left. I remember just letting out this loud scream. I was so discouraged. I placed so much hope that I was going to have arms again. They had this miraculous surgery, and I would be healed of this nerve disease. Now, that hope was just shattered!\n\nIn those moments after that, Gloria stood by my side through those days of depression afterwards. She just reminded me again and again, very delicately, and with a lot of silence interspersed in between, that Jesus was enough\/that Jesus was enough to sustain us.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Dave Furman reminding us of something that is so key in our lives\u2014and something that we easily forget\u2014that Jesus is enough to sustain us.\n\nYou know, Gloria serves Dave selflessly. During one of their visits back to Little Rock, I drove them from the airport to our offices. She opened the door for him; she buckled him into his seat in the car and attended to his every need. Their life is a difficult life.\n\nMaybe, that is the life you\u2019re experiencing right now; or maybe it\u2019s the life of someone you know. Unexpected circumstances that have washed you over like a hurricane and the pounding may seem unrelenting; but as Dave said, \u201cJesus is enough.\u201d He is always enough to sustain you. He is our safe harbor from the storm; isn\u2019t He?\n\nHey, we need to take a break; but when I come back, my good friend, Julie Denker, is going to join me. She\u2019s going to talk about her experience in life with a disability, cerebral palsy. Stay tuned.\n\n[Radio Station Break]\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Welcome back to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I\u2019m Michelle Hill. Today, we\u2019ve been talking about the difficulty of living with a disability. We heard about the complexities that Katherine Wolf and Dave Furman deal with on a daily basis; but both Katherine and Dave\u2019s disabilities came on when they were adults. I wanted to take a few minutes and find out how different it might be to have a disability from birth.\n\nA friend of mine, and coworker here at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, has lived with cerebral palsy from infancy; but she doesn\u2019t let that define her. I\u2019m talking about Julie Denker, who is a producer here. She oversees the production for FamilyLife Blended<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> with Ron Deal. She would define herself\u2014and maybe, I should just let her talk\u2014but as I see, she defines herself as somebody, who has perseverance and also daily dependence on God. Julie, welcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. Thanks for joining me.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Well, thank you for having me on. I really appreciate the opportunity.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So Julie, can you quickly tell us your story?\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Sure; I was born ten weeks early, and only weighed two pounds when I was born.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Oh wow! That\u2019s tiny.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes; yes, I was very little. Spent two months in an incubator at a preemie center in Illinois and was diagnosed with CP\/cerebral palsy when I couldn\u2019t walk when kids were supposed to be able to walk.\n\nYou know, to my parents\u2019 credit, they never said, \u201cNo,\u201d to me doing anything physical, which took a lot of courage on their parts; because the CP affected my lower extremities and my waist, and some in my upper body, but not as much. They really encouraged a can-do spirit. I have had three surgeries that have helped in different ways when I was a kid.\n\nLiving with cerebral palsy is definitely different as an adult versus as a kid. There is blessing, and there are challenges.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Because my parents never said, \u201cNo,\u201d to anything physical, I learned how to ride a two-wheeled bike; I played kickball; I played football; I played basketball. I did a lot of different things, which helped build confidence; but it was still always apparent\/it was still always\u2014\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014that you had something.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Now, I know you are a big basketball fan. In fact, don\u2019t bother Julie during March Madness. Julie is basically <em>gone<\/em>. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> That\u2019s very true.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I know you used to love playing basketball.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> As life\u2014as you got older, and the spasticity started to wear away, or you\u00a0 weren\u2019t able to do what you used to do\u2014\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014because your body was just aging\u2014the fact of life\u2014\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014did you sit there and go: \u201cWhy God,\u201d or \u201cPlease heal me!\u201d\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know that I\u2019ve spent a lot of my life asking God, \u201cWhy?\u201d Early in my walk with the Lord, I came to understand that He is sovereign and that nothing comes into my life that doesn\u2019t first go through His hand. I think about John 9, and the man who was born blind, and trying to attribute sin to either him or his parents; and Jesus\u2019s response was: \u201cThis is for the glory of God.\u201d\n\nWe live in a fallen world that has pain and suffering, and it\u2019s hard.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> And whether it is cerebral palsy, or alcoholism, or conflict that is not resolved in a relationship, it\u2019s <em>hard<\/em>. I mean: \u201cWould I like to be healed?\u201d \u201cHave I prayed to be healed?\u201d\u2014yes, but it\u2019s not my focus\u2014in that God is God; He sees the whole picture, and I just see a thread of the tapestry a day at a time.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> One of your focus points, also, is the fact that you encourage so many people, because you are a prayer warrior. I thank you and I thank God for how He has created you.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Well, I appreciate your encouraging words. I think one of the things that I realized, probably, ten years ago or so, was\u2014as I am able to do less physically\u2014I started asking God: \u201cWhat can I still do?\u201d \u201cHow can I be of service to You?\u201d \u201cHow can You use me?\u201d The reality is prayer is something that everyone can do.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> It\u2019s an incredible privilege. It\u2019s a lot of hard work; it\u2019s just I love it. The more I do it, the more I want to do it. You know, it comes back to the relationship with who God is; because it\u2019s not just doing, if you know what I mean.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Oh, yes.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> I love praying for my family\u2014they live hundreds of miles away\u2014and I know God loves them more than I do. The most I can do is pray for them; the most I can do is pray for my friends and those that I even don\u2019t know. I\u2019ll read the newspaper, and I\u2019ll see a tragic story; I\u2019ll just say, \u201cOkay, Lord, I pray for this person.\u201d\n\nI think probably that\u2019s going to be something that He\u2019s going to continue to develop in my life; because I think that it\u2019s going to become more challenging, physically. I mean, I\u2019m doing everything I can right now with riding bike, and doing water aerobics, and just getting myself an opportunity to move, and be as able-bodied as possible; but the reality is I am starting to feel things in joints that I\u2019ve never felt before\u2014\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> \u2014and different things. That\u2019s just part of wear and tear.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> But it is neat how you said it\u2014and I think you\u2019ve probably said it best\u2014is: \u201cThe more you are building these spiritual disciplines,\u201d\u2014and for you it\u2019s prayer\u2014\u201cthe more you want to do it.\u201d So while your body is slowly decaying\u2014like all of ours does\u2014but you feel\/you <em>feel<\/em> the decay more than I do.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yet, God is building other things into you that is <em>incredible<\/em>.\n\nThank you for how you live your life, Julie; and thank you for joining me today and helping all of us understand what day to day is like for you.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Well, I appreciate the opportunity to be on; and all I can say is: \u201cAll praise to God.\u201d\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Most definitely: \u201cAll praise to God.\u201d Thanks, Julie.\n\nWell, I hope what you\u2019ve heard today has been encouraging to you. I know it\u2019s opened my eyes to some things and helped me understand better.\n\nHey, you\u2019re probably familiar\u2014or maybe, you\u2019re not\u2014with the phrase, \u201cApproved workmen are not ashamed,\u201d\u2014or maybe, the song\u2014\u201cWe are sparks for Jesus, Sparks to light the world.\u201d Well, next week, we\u2019re going to talk with Larry Fowler about Awana and also memorizing Scripture. You\u2019ll want to tune in for that.\n\nI want to thank the president of FamilyLife, David Robbins, and the cofounders Dennis and Barbara Rainey, along with our station partners around the country. A big \u201cThank you!\u201d to our engineer today, Keith Lynch; to our producers, Phil Krause and Marques Holt. 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Helen Keller knew this well, because she lost her sight and her hearing at a very young age.\n\nOver one billion people in the world live with a disability; and 20 percent of the US population is disabled in some way, making it the largest minority group in America. You know, disability is not just always something that we are born with. Sometimes, it comes on as a surprise, or an accident, or through an illness. Disability is hard; but when it touches a marriage, it has its own dynamic.\n\nKatherine Wolf and her husband Jay found this out, but their lives looked normal. In fact, they were almost star-crossed when they moved to California. She was an aspiring model, and he was in law school. They were pregnant with their first child; but shortly after their son was born, she was in kitchen, preparing a meal, when she experienced a brain stem aneurysm.\n\nNow, the thing about aneurysms is that they are usually fatal; but Katherine didn\u2019t die, although she did spend one year in the hospital and one year in rehab; and that\u2019s a long time. For her husband Jay, well, this raised a whole new set of questions in their marriage.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Jay:<\/strong> We didn\u2019t know what we were signing up for\u2014so all of us\u2014like: \u201cWait a minute. This is what I thought my reality was going to be\u2026\u201d\u2014my future, and my wife, just my whole situation. That was really personified in my marriage, early on, to say, \u201cI didn\u2019t know this is what our life was going to be.\u201d The question becomes: \u201cWhat do I do with that? What is commitment? What does covenant look like, even if it looks different than I thought it would look?\u201d\n\nThere was a lot of loss that was made very apparent in that: \u201cWho are we now together? We\u2019re very different.\u201d There was a relearning who this spouse was that: \u201cIf we are one, then, how can we come back together in every sense of that?\u201d It really\/there was a long process of relearning who Katherine was and who I was.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Jay Wolf talking about his marriage to Katherine and all that they had to overcome.\n\nNow, put yourself in his shoes. That had to have been difficult; right? I mean after all, you had this wonderful marriage; and then, all of a sudden, your wife was not who she was before when you said those vows.\n\nNow, for Katherine, who has ten years to process all of this, she sees what God is doing in her life; and she also sees that her disability is, perhaps, a foreshadowing of what we all deal with. Here\u2019s Katherine.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Katherine:<\/strong> I have a paralyzed face; and yet, who feels beautiful?\u2014or doesn\u2019t have appearance issues, even if they look totally normal? I have a very messed up vocal cord; I can\u2019t speak normally. Yet, who feels understood all the time, even if they can speak? I have no fine motor coordination in my hand; it makes it very difficult to do a number of tasks, including caring for a child. However, who doesn\u2019t have issues with the type of parent they are? The reality is my body is actually a very accurate representation of what we\u2019re all feeling on the inside anyway.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s Katherine Wolf. As Katherine said, we all have disabilities, just some we can see and some that we can\u2019t. Now, what about those, who have disabilities that you can\u2019t see? What\u2019s life like for people with hidden disabilities and their families? Dave and Gloria Furman know this reality well.\n\nDave is a senior pastor of Redeemer Church in Dubai. Over 15 years ago, Dave developed a nerve disease, and that means he struggles with disability in both arms. There are times that Dave couldn\u2019t touch anything: he can\u2019t feed himself with a metal fork, can\u2019t take a drink; he can\u2019t pick up his children; he can\u2019t type on a keyboard.\n\nGloria is his wife and his primary caregiver. In a recent interview with Dennis Rainey and Bob Lepine, Dave and Gloria remember what it was like before this disability.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, Gloria and I got married 14 years ago. There is a picture in my office, actually, of the day we got engaged; and I\u2019m actually holding Gloria, picked her off the ground; I\u2019m holding her in my arms in Boston, like the moments after we got engaged. At that point, we got married three months later; and we thought we were going to change the world.\n\nWe had no idea that, a few years into marriage, we would be at a hotel; and we would try to be floating down the lazy river of a waterpark. I literally got stuck in the inner tube, and I couldn\u2019t get out; because during those first years of marriage, I developed a nerve disability in my arms, where I ended up not being able to carry anything, pick up anything, even shake hands, or drive. We went through a number of surgeries, a number of procedures, and nothing seemed to help.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What\u2019s it called?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, there are different names for it; but one name is reflex sympathetic dystrophy. Basically, the ulnar nerve in both my arms\u2014the nerve that connects with your two smaller fingers\u2014just doesn\u2019t work. Almost the exact month that we made plans to serve in the Middle East, my nerves just kind of went.\n\nWe were, actually, living here in Little Rock, Arkansas. We tried to get all the help we could. My health just went down further, and further, and further until we moved over to the Middle East. One night, I was driving the car. During the drive, Gloria had popped in [a store] to grab some groceries. When she came back out, I was literally in tears, not being able to control the car anymore. That really led me into just a real deep, dark depression. The pain was so severe; we really couldn\u2019t make it.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So Gloria, you had to drive\u2014\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014today?\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> Yes, today\u2014every day, all the time, every trip. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Not just drive, but you have to cut food.\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You have to open doors,\u2014\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014carry bags.\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> In fact, you tell the story in the book about bringing some groceries out.\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You pull up\u2014\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> Oh, yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014in front.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Where was that?\u00a0 Was that Nashville at the Opryland Hotel; wasn\u2019t it?\u00a0 [Laughter] We were loading the car.\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> I was loading the car. I had one of those bellman\/bellhop carts with our suitcases on it, a Pack \u2018n Play for a baby. Stroller\u2014I was pushing that\u2014and pulling the cart at the same time. Dave just kind of walked up to the car. I unlocked the car and got Dave in, buckled his seatbelt, got the baby into her car seat, and started loading the back of the trunk.\n\nThen, when I brought the bellhop cart back to the inside of the hotel\u2014there\u2019d been some ladies who had been watching me the whole time\u2014they started heckling me and said things like: \u201cYou don\u2019t deserve that. You deserve a man who can do these things. Your husband is no good. Why do you put up with that?\u201d\u2014just heckling me. I had a moment to collect my thoughts, as I put the bellhop cart back, and then, walked back out toward the car. All I could say is, \u201cHe\u2019s disabled,\u201d and just keep walking.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But Gloria, we go back to your wedding day. This was not\u2014I mean, you said, \u201c\u2026for better or worse\u2026\u201d\u2014you didn\u2019t know this was coming.\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> Right, right; right. I think, if someone had pressed me and said, \u201cWhen one of you gets sick, what will you do?\u201d\u00a0 \u201cOh, of course, I will serve!\u00a0 I will gladly serve. I will serve with the strength the Lord provides.\u201d\u00a0 I just\/I don\u2019t think I envisioned that as something\u2014\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No; yes.\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> \u2014that was eminent, around the corner, and then, chronic and ongoing.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; do you think, if somebody had said: \u201cI\u2019ve seen the future. Let me tell you what\u2019s coming,\u201d\u2014do you think you would have rethought, \u201cI do\u201d?\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> I would have had some <em>serious<\/em> soul-searching to do: \u201cAm I able to do this?\u201d\u00a0 I would have asked myself: \u201cCan I?\u00a0 Can I? Can I?\u201d\u00a0 And then, hopefully, Lord willing, the Spirit would assure my soul: \u201cNo; you cannot!\u00a0 With the strength the Lord provides, you can do all of these things that God calls you to do.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Has there been a time, over the last five years, as you\u2019ve adjusted to this, has there been a time when you\u2019ve thought: \u201cI didn\u2019t want this. I didn\u2019t sign up for this. Why this burden on me?\u00a0 I mean, we\u2019re trying to go reach the world for Christ. We should get the easy path, not the hard path\u201d?\n\n<strong>Gloria:<\/strong> I think I have thoughts and questions. Sometimes, those questions do tumble around in my mind; but I\u2019m assured very quickly, because I\u2019ve seen the grace of God at work in our own lives and in the work of the people whom we serve in the Middle East.\n\nOne particular example that comes to mind is when people come\u2014and they come to our church\u2014perhaps, they\u2019ve been exposed to Christianity before. Maybe, they\u2019ve seen a preacher on the TV claim crazy things about what godly, holy people get to do because of Jesus\u2019 favor on them. Then, they come and they see a disabled pastor, it doesn\u2019t make any sense with their worldview; it doesn\u2019t make any sense with the Christianity that they thought they knew.\n\nThen, Dave gets to minister to those people. He talks them out of their prosperity cult\u2014[Laughter]\u2014and shares the true gospel with them\u2014that just because you follow Jesus, doesn\u2019t mean you get an easy\/physically-easy path.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; I was going to ask you: \u201cDid you ever think about suicide?\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I never planned suicide. I never thought deeply about it; but I said a thousand times a day: \u201cI wish I was dead,\u201d \u201cI wish I was dead,\u201d and \u201cI wish I didn\u2019t have arms.\u201d Those thoughts just filled my mind, and filled my heart, and soul on a regular basis. That went on for a year-and-a-half, so these verses weren\u2019t true in my heart.\n\nThen, about a year-and-a-half in, God\u2019s kindness, we were rebuked by some friends\u2014got ahold of some good material on the gospel, and applying it to my heart, and applying it to my trials\u2014I began to see a little bit of what Paul\u2019s talking about here, that your joy needs to be tied into your identity in Christ, and not your ever-changing circumstances, but the one great permanent circumstance that is the gospel\/that is our union with Jesus. Finally, a year-and-a-half in, I began to see that there was more to this life than healthy arms and that I could, in fact, have joy, even in pain.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You know, Dave and Gloria shared some verses that got them through this time, and really got them over the hump of accepting the journey that they were walking, and the life that God had given them. That was Philippians 4, verses 4-7, which say: \u201cRejoice in the Lord always. Again, I will say rejoice. Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand. Do not be anxious about anything; but in everything, by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God, and the peace of God which surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.\u201d\n\nYou know, as I said before, there were times that Dave couldn\u2019t touch anything\u2014just the physical contact on his skin gave him pain that was <em>unbearable<\/em>\u2014he couldn\u2019t hold his wife\u2019s hand or stroke her face, and he got depressed. That was during the time, as he said, he just wanted to die; but it was during that time that some doctors began to think that Dave would be a <em>great<\/em> candidate for a surgery that could restore his arms. Here\u2019s Dave.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We were getting ready for this surgery. It was amazing that these Johns Hopkins physicians were actually going to be in Dubai and were going to do surgery in Dubai. They had promised about 85 percent chance of full healing, that I would be healed of this disability\/be playing tennis in no time.\n\nWe go to the hospital on their very last day in Dubai. We got there about noon; we were there all day long. I am ready for the surgery. The problem was, as the day went on, no one was ready for me. I am there, hooked up to the IV. Finally, eight or nine hours in, I get wheeled down to the surgery. I wait there for about two hours, and then the crushing news came that it was too late in the day. The doctors needed to catch their flight, and the surgery was completely cancelled.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I remember lying, all by myself, down in the basement, outside the operating room. They actually forgot about me for about an hour and left. I remember just letting out this loud scream. I was so discouraged. I placed so much hope that I was going to have arms again. They had this miraculous surgery, and I would be healed of this nerve disease. Now, that hope was just shattered!\n\nIn those moments after that, Gloria stood by my side through those days of depression afterwards. She just reminded me again and again, very delicately, and with a lot of silence interspersed in between, that Jesus was enough\/that Jesus was enough to sustain us.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Dave Furman reminding us of something that is so key in our lives\u2014and something that we easily forget\u2014that Jesus is enough to sustain us.\n\nYou know, Gloria serves Dave selflessly. During one of their visits back to Little Rock, I drove them from the airport to our offices. She opened the door for him; she buckled him into his seat in the car and attended to his every need. Their life is a difficult life.\n\nMaybe, that is the life you\u2019re experiencing right now; or maybe it\u2019s the life of someone you know. Unexpected circumstances that have washed you over like a hurricane and the pounding may seem unrelenting; but as Dave said, \u201cJesus is enough.\u201d He is always enough to sustain you. He is our safe harbor from the storm; isn\u2019t He?\n\nHey, we need to take a break; but when I come back, my good friend, Julie Denker, is going to join me. She\u2019s going to talk about her experience in life with a disability, cerebral palsy. Stay tuned.\n\n[Radio Station Break]\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Welcome back to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I\u2019m Michelle Hill. Today, we\u2019ve been talking about the difficulty of living with a disability. We heard about the complexities that Katherine Wolf and Dave Furman deal with on a daily basis; but both Katherine and Dave\u2019s disabilities came on when they were adults. I wanted to take a few minutes and find out how different it might be to have a disability from birth.\n\nA friend of mine, and coworker here at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, has lived with cerebral palsy from infancy; but she doesn\u2019t let that define her. I\u2019m talking about Julie Denker, who is a producer here. She oversees the production for FamilyLife Blended<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> with Ron Deal. She would define herself\u2014and maybe, I should just let her talk\u2014but as I see, she defines herself as somebody, who has perseverance and also daily dependence on God. Julie, welcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. Thanks for joining me.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Well, thank you for having me on. I really appreciate the opportunity.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So Julie, can you quickly tell us your story?\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Sure; I was born ten weeks early, and only weighed two pounds when I was born.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Oh wow! That\u2019s tiny.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes; yes, I was very little. Spent two months in an incubator at a preemie center in Illinois and was diagnosed with CP\/cerebral palsy when I couldn\u2019t walk when kids were supposed to be able to walk.\n\nYou know, to my parents\u2019 credit, they never said, \u201cNo,\u201d to me doing anything physical, which took a lot of courage on their parts; because the CP affected my lower extremities and my waist, and some in my upper body, but not as much. They really encouraged a can-do spirit. I have had three surgeries that have helped in different ways when I was a kid.\n\nLiving with cerebral palsy is definitely different as an adult versus as a kid. There is blessing, and there are challenges.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Because my parents never said, \u201cNo,\u201d to anything physical, I learned how to ride a two-wheeled bike; I played kickball; I played football; I played basketball. I did a lot of different things, which helped build confidence; but it was still always apparent\/it was still always\u2014\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014that you had something.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Now, I know you are a big basketball fan. In fact, don\u2019t bother Julie during March Madness. Julie is basically <em>gone<\/em>. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> That\u2019s very true.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I know you used to love playing basketball.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> As life\u2014as you got older, and the spasticity started to wear away, or you\u00a0 weren\u2019t able to do what you used to do\u2014\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014because your body was just aging\u2014the fact of life\u2014\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014did you sit there and go: \u201cWhy God,\u201d or \u201cPlease heal me!\u201d\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know that I\u2019ve spent a lot of my life asking God, \u201cWhy?\u201d Early in my walk with the Lord, I came to understand that He is sovereign and that nothing comes into my life that doesn\u2019t first go through His hand. I think about John 9, and the man who was born blind, and trying to attribute sin to either him or his parents; and Jesus\u2019s response was: \u201cThis is for the glory of God.\u201d\n\nWe live in a fallen world that has pain and suffering, and it\u2019s hard.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> And whether it is cerebral palsy, or alcoholism, or conflict that is not resolved in a relationship, it\u2019s <em>hard<\/em>. I mean: \u201cWould I like to be healed?\u201d \u201cHave I prayed to be healed?\u201d\u2014yes, but it\u2019s not my focus\u2014in that God is God; He sees the whole picture, and I just see a thread of the tapestry a day at a time.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> One of your focus points, also, is the fact that you encourage so many people, because you are a prayer warrior. I thank you and I thank God for how He has created you.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Well, I appreciate your encouraging words. I think one of the things that I realized, probably, ten years ago or so, was\u2014as I am able to do less physically\u2014I started asking God: \u201cWhat can I still do?\u201d \u201cHow can I be of service to You?\u201d \u201cHow can You use me?\u201d The reality is prayer is something that everyone can do.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> It\u2019s an incredible privilege. It\u2019s a lot of hard work; it\u2019s just I love it. The more I do it, the more I want to do it. You know, it comes back to the relationship with who God is; because it\u2019s not just doing, if you know what I mean.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Oh, yes.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> I love praying for my family\u2014they live hundreds of miles away\u2014and I know God loves them more than I do. The most I can do is pray for them; the most I can do is pray for my friends and those that I even don\u2019t know. I\u2019ll read the newspaper, and I\u2019ll see a tragic story; I\u2019ll just say, \u201cOkay, Lord, I pray for this person.\u201d\n\nI think probably that\u2019s going to be something that He\u2019s going to continue to develop in my life; because I think that it\u2019s going to become more challenging, physically. I mean, I\u2019m doing everything I can right now with riding bike, and doing water aerobics, and just getting myself an opportunity to move, and be as able-bodied as possible; but the reality is I am starting to feel things in joints that I\u2019ve never felt before\u2014\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> \u2014and different things. That\u2019s just part of wear and tear.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> But it is neat how you said it\u2014and I think you\u2019ve probably said it best\u2014is: \u201cThe more you are building these spiritual disciplines,\u201d\u2014and for you it\u2019s prayer\u2014\u201cthe more you want to do it.\u201d So while your body is slowly decaying\u2014like all of ours does\u2014but you feel\/you <em>feel<\/em> the decay more than I do.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yet, God is building other things into you that is <em>incredible<\/em>.\n\nThank you for how you live your life, Julie; and thank you for joining me today and helping all of us understand what day to day is like for you.\n\n<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Well, I appreciate the opportunity to be on; and all I can say is: \u201cAll praise to God.\u201d\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Most definitely: \u201cAll praise to God.\u201d Thanks, Julie.\n\nWell, I hope what you\u2019ve heard today has been encouraging to you. I know it\u2019s opened my eyes to some things and helped me understand better.\n\nHey, you\u2019re probably familiar\u2014or maybe, you\u2019re not\u2014with the phrase, \u201cApproved workmen are not ashamed,\u201d\u2014or maybe, the song\u2014\u201cWe are sparks for Jesus, Sparks to light the world.\u201d Well, next week, we\u2019re going to talk with Larry Fowler about Awana and also memorizing Scripture. You\u2019ll want to tune in for that.\n\nI want to thank the president of FamilyLife, David Robbins, and the cofounders Dennis and Barbara Rainey, along with our station partners around the country. A big \u201cThank you!\u201d to our engineer today, Keith Lynch; to our producers, Phil Krause and Marques Holt. 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