{"id":306860,"date":"2021-05-31T07:00:04","date_gmt":"2021-05-31T11:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/following-gods-will-together\/"},"modified":"2021-05-31T07:00:04","modified_gmt":"2021-05-31T11:00:04","slug":"following-gods-will-together","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/following-gods-will-together\/","title":{"rendered":"Following God&#8217;s Will Together"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Listening to God&#8217;s voice as a married couple, Levi and Jennie Lusko left what felt like an easy life to begin a new adventure. 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[Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So how did that work out?\n\n<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Dave: <\/strong>And I\u2019m Dave Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So how did that work out? [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s so funny; because I thought, \u201cThese are the things that would be <em>horrible<\/em> if I did them.\u201d And now I\u2019m living it, and it has been the greatest journey of my life.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It has been an <em>amazing<\/em> journey.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And it\u2019s because of Jesus, because He\u2019s taken us\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> No, it\u2019s because of <em>me<\/em>; come on.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, I\u2019m sorry. That\u2019s right; that\u2019s you, honey.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s because of Jesus.\n\nI bring that up because we\u2019ve got a couple today that\u2019s lived a similar journey, in terms of Levi and Jennie Lusko have started a church in Montana.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> you guys.\n\n<strong>Levi and Jennie:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> Thanks for having us.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> It\u2019s so fun.\n\n<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Not only are you pastors of Fresh Life Church in Montana, and Wyoming, and Utah, and all kinds of different places\u2014which you\u2019ll have to tell us how that happened\u2014but also, prolific authors of incredible books. We\u2019re going to talk today about <em>Through the Eyes of a Lion<\/em>; but you\u2019ve got: <em>I Declare War<\/em> and <em>Swipe Right<\/em>.\n\nHow do I know all these things?\u2014because our son is your agent\/your literary agent, which is really, really cool.\n\nBut talk a little bit about your story.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wait, wait, wait. I want to hear\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Look at that; see how she cuts me off!\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I know; I\u2019m already interrupting. How many years have you guys been married?\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Seventeen years.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And then how many kids do you have?\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> Five\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Levi: <\/strong>We have to do a head count\u2014a bunch of little hooligans. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You guys are looking at each other like\u2014\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> \u2014five; right?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> How old are they?\n\n<strong>Levi<\/strong>: That\u2019s a tough question to answer always. We always struggle with it; because people will ask\/will see us on an airplane and they go: \u201cHow many kids do you have?\u201d or \u201cIs that all your kids?\u201d For us\u2014of course, and we\u2019ll talk about it, I\u2019m sure\u2014the tension is we have a child in heaven, so we have four kids on earth; one child in heaven. The asterisk on that is people ask: \u201cHow many kids do you have?\u201d or they see us with the girls and they would go, \u201cOh, all girls.\u201d\n\nIt\u2019s just funny because, when you have a child in heaven, the clumsy articulation of an answer to that question is: \u201cWe technically still have that child that\u2019s not here with us but five altogether.\u201d\n\n<strong>Jennie<\/strong>: \u201cI gave birth to five babies.\u201d\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> \u201cShe gave birth five times.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann<\/strong>: How can you not include her, because she\u2019s such a part of your story and your lives.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> Right; yes.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Our oldest is 15 and our youngest is 3. We have four girls in a row and then a little boy three years ago.\n\n<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Wow.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> How has it been having a boy? Is it different?\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Amazing; everything\u2019s different. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> It\u2019s so funny. At Christmas, Levi was preaching, obviously. He had ordered a suit\u2014\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> \u2014for Lenox. I got Lenox a little kid\u2019s suit.\n\n<strong>Jennie<\/strong>: \u2014for Lenox. But for Levi, he was wearing a suit. Lenox was like, \u201cI want to wear a suit, too.\u201d I hadn\u2019t planned his Christmas outfit, so Levi ordered one for him.\n\nThe whole time he was like, \u201cI\u2019m going to get married on Christmas,\u201d because he thinks like wearing a suit he was going to get married on Christmas. It was just so cute; because even now, he always talks about his wife, and how he\u2019s going to meet his wife at church, and how he\u2019s going to kiss her on the lips. That\u2019s one of his big obsessions.\n\n<strong>Levi: <\/strong>Pray for us.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You can tell he has sisters.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Pray for us; we\u2019ve got problems.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> I know; I know! Anyway\u2014\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> He\u2019s watched <em>Beauty and the Beast<\/em> a few too many times with older sisters.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Tell me this: \u201cDid you guys sort of meet the way Lenox wants to meet? Did you kiss in church? Is this how your relationship started?\u201d [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> What a great question.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> Yes, that is a great question.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> We did meet in church.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> We did.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Jennie was an intern in the mission\u2019s department. I was the assistant youth pastor. We met serving in the youth ministry, setting up chairs for the youth service. She was volunteering; I was volunteering\u2014well, it was my job\u2014she was volunteering.\n\nI knew immediately; it took her all of two minutes. We both kind of had like this sense\u2014she tells the story\u2014she saw me and said, \u201cI would like to grow old with that person.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh!\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> I just remember seeing and thinking she was beautiful. I didn\u2019t think anything about old age, but we definitely hit it off pretty quickly.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Jennie, what made you say that? That\u2019s interesting.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> Well, I think I said that further on in our relationship. I don\u2019t think I\u2014\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Oh, I thought it was early.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> I remember\/I think we were dating; but I remember just looking up at you one day and thinking, \u201cI\u2019d just love to grow old with Levi\u201d; because obviously, he loved Jesus. You\u2019re just fun, kind of a weird\u2014I don\u2019t think of that often\u2014but I just think it was just a sweet little moment that God kind of brought that to my mind. It was really sweet.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It wasn\u2019t this moment was it?\u2014do you know this song? [Singing <em>Grow Old with You<\/em>]\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> No.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> [Continuing to sing <em>Grow Old with You<\/em>] Come on; you don\u2019t know that?\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> No, that\u2019s so sweet though.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s Adam Sandler in <em>The Wedding Singer.<\/em>\n\n<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> I remember it vividly now that you say that; that\u2019s a great movie reference.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Take us back, Levi. You\u2019re a PK; your dad was a pastor. Where did that begin? Did they grow up in the church? Take us back to that.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> My parents were both radically saved in the midst of the hippie movement; they\u2019re both first-generation believers. Their families before them: atheism and secular intellectual. My mom\u2019s mom was married and divorced three times. My dad was raised by his stepfather and his mother; he never knew his dad. He was told by his stepfather\u2014he called him his dad\u2014he put a 20 dollar bill down on the table one day and said, \u201cThat\u2019s the only god you ever need to worry about.\u201d Basically, that was the only education in spirituality he was given is the \u201cAlmighty Dollar.\u201d\n\nNo upbringing of faith to speak of, or really love or affection for either of them, on both sides; so they just had to find their own way in the world. My dad got saved in Hawaii\u2014he was there to join the Green Peace\u2014saving the whales. My mom got saved, I believe, through Intervarsity<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. She and [he] had dated before they were\/and lived together before they got saved; went their separate ways. Both found Jesus\u2014ended up coming back together, got married\u2014super involved in church ministry and church planting. They ended up, later, getting divorced; some things surfaced. Both of them had lots, of course, trauma, especially my mom from things that she faced before they came together.\n\nThey\u2019re no longer together; but I had a very happy life\u2014grew up in the church, knowing Jesus my whole life as a second-generation Christian\u2014so very different than them. Since I was two years old, felt a call on my life to: \u201cBe a pastor like my dad,\u201d is how I used to always say it. I\u2019ve never really done anything else but that.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> If we would have seen you in high school or maybe college, would we look at you and go, \u201cThere\u2019s a future pastor\u201d?\u2014you\u2019re living a life that would make me think, \u201cHe\u2019s going in the ministry.\u201d\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> I mean, I was not without my dips in sanctification\/the sanctification journey, to be sure. But I preached my first sermon at 14. I would get dropped off, after school, at church and served in the youth ministry, helped plan summer camps and mission trips.\n\nI had a real significant challenge\/a crisis of faith my senior year in high school, where for a few months\u2014I mean, I was the chaplain of my Christian high school as a volunteer; I mean, I was literally\/you would have thought, \u201cFuture pastor for sure,\u201d\u2014but for about a three- or four-month period, I <em>really<\/em> wandered away and thought\u2014you know, it was kind of one of those proving times\u2014I had given my whole life up to this; and it had come to: \u201cDo I really believe this? Is this what I really want to do?\u201d and dabbled in drinking a little bit during that period and, really, had a wakeup call of: \u201cThis is\/I was running.\u201d It was my Jonah moment.\n\nI think it was mostly just feeling that panic, like, \u201cMaybe I made a mistake; maybe I missed out.\u201d I realized, through those few moments of sin, it was kind of like a prodigal son coming to my senses, realizing how good I had it at the Father\u2019s table and, really, never looked back from following, whole heartedly, Jesus.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Jennie, what about your faith? When did that become really important to you?\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> I grew up in a Christian home. I remember, when I was seven, and I had seen the gospel presentation at church with Psalty the Singing Songbook.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, Psalty; our kids loved Psalty. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> Yes, I remember that night; I remember my dad praying with me, and I accepted Jesus\u2014understood that I was a sinner and I needed\/and Jesus died on the cross for my sins and rose from the dead. I remember understanding that to some extent when I was seven; and then it\u2019s really kind of been that journey of what it has looked like, throughout different seasons and stages of my life, to love Jesus and to follow Him; I\u2019m so grateful.\n\nWhen I was in middle school, we were super plugged into our church. I just immediately got plugged into a small group, and going to church, and really having my people at church, and loving it. Mission trips: I feel like mission trips, where we would go to Mexico every summer\u2014and we thought we were doing something good for other people\u2014but, ultimately, looking back, I see how God was just getting a hold of my heart\u2014and so grateful for that.\n\nThen just journey through high school and boys\u2014that was always a struggle\u2014wanting to be liked by a boy; wanting to like a boy. But when I was ten was when my mom brought me to this purity conference; it\u2019s called <em>A Garden Enclosed<\/em>. I remember hearing, for the first time, that God wanted me to save sex until marriage and to save myself for my future husband. I didn\u2019t even know exactly what that meant, but I knew I wanted God\u2019s best for my life. I remember, at that point, really having that goal of like: \u201cI want to live my life for God. I want to honor Him, and I want to save myself for my husband one day whenever that is.\u201d What\u2019s so sweet was that\u2014was that at age seven and ten were very significant moments with God\u2014and it just kind of led me through. But I still had struggles with wanting to be liked by boys and stuff like that.\n\nIt was just really special when I was 19, and I felt like God was calling me to New Mexico and to be a part of their mission\u2019s internship there. It\u2019s so funny, because my whole\u2014even through high school\u2014like I wanted to be a missionary. I always thought I was going to be a missionary in Africa or Asia. Literally, missions moved me from Monterey, California, to Albuquerque, New Mexico.\n\nLevi and I met right away. But I had made a decision to not date that whole year\u2014just to focus on the Lord and not have any distractions\u2014we met halfway through that year. Looking back, it\u2019s just so special; because God truly gave us the gift of a foundation of friendship\u2014where my whole life, even from kindergarten on\u2014I\u2019ve always wanted to be liked by a boy and me to have that relationship with a boy. Here I am\u2014I meet the man I\u2019m supposed to marry\u2014but there\u2019s the decision I had made to not date. We literally were forced to be friends; so looking back, we\u2019re so grateful for that. But then we started dating right after my internship and got married.\n\nThat\u2019s kind of\u2014my parents both gave their lives to Christ when I was five, I think\u2014that was kind of a legacy for me to walk in. Since then, my parents aren\u2019t married anymore either; but they laid out a good foundation for me. Now, I\u2019m so grateful.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Here you are, and I\u2019d love to hear how you end up in Montana. I know that you had sort of a youth pastor\/maybe teaching pastor job in Southern California, but then you get this call. Tell us that whole story.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And you said it was kind of a cush job.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Yes; meaning [I] didn\u2019t have a lot of responsibilities outside of communicating a message, which is, in and of itself, a challenge, of course. Anybody who\u2019s ever had to preach, it\u2019s hard work; it takes time if you\u2019re going to do it well.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> Levi\u2019s <em>always<\/em> put his heart and soul in messages. Even when we were leading youth group in New Mexico together, he would pour time and effort\/energy and prayer into these messages for these students. Looking back\u2014and seeing the love, and the care, and the effort, and energy going into messages back then\u2014that\u2019s just kind of been a thing through his whole life.\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> I mean, you guys know it\u2019s hard work. But I didn\u2019t have any of the other responsibilities that make ministry more challenging: dealing with teams, dealing with the burden of finance, HR, all the things that really bring headaches and complexities to a ministry.\n\nYet, we always deep-down knew, that one day\/ that we had the desire\u2014kind of entrepreneurial mission\u2014like we said, we both got our start in missions. That missionary spirit\u2014that is at the core of church planting\u2014you guys are church planters; you understand that. We felt like the time was going to come when we would probably feel that call. We weren\u2019t in a rush or a hurry. We were always under good leaders; and so we knew the time would come when God was going to show us, and we would be given the go-ahead to go do that. It was a good paycheck; we had a great life. We lived a mile from the beach; had season passes to Disneyland\u2014it\u2019s Southern California\u2014who doesn\u2019t want to live there; right?\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> When you say \u201ccush,\u201d that was kind of what we\u2019re\u2014\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> That\u2019s why we called it a cush job.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Okay.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> We could have very much stayed on auto-pilot there\u2014and given a message once a week, and basically just\u2014but we wouldn\u2019t have felt right. And we knew that, if God called us to something else, to say, \u201cNo,\u201d to that would have been missing an opportunity, even though it seemed like the path less taken.\n\nFor us, that ultimately led us to Montana, which didn\u2019t feel like suffering; because I grew up in the ski towns of Colorado, and I loved that. But it just wasn\u2019t the metropolitan area that we always kind of deep-down suspected we would end up in: Los Angeles, or New York City, or Chicago, or something. It was mountain towns\/small little area; yet, it was what God put into our hearts.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Did you have kids at the time?\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> We had one, and Jennie was pregnant.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> But I didn\u2019t know I was pregnant until we moved to Montana\u2014\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Right when we got here, we found out.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> \u2014with Lenya; we were pregnant with Lenya.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Your church started to grow quickly\/rapidly. I mean, God was <em>really<\/em> moving. And your family started to grow, too. Take us to that point when you have four kids.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Oh, goodness gracious, like rabbits\u2014cold winters; got to stay warm\u2014that\u2019s how we had all those kids. [Laughter] How do you get\/how else are you going to stay warm?\u2014right?\n\nThe church grew. Soon we had\u2014I know you guys\u2019 story is similar\u2014the trajectory of just growth, and new cities, and opportunities. We had multiple campuses and, then, multiple kids. You have four daughters; and then a little boy came way, way, way later. It was very much like, every day, a new thing\u2014it was a beautiful\u2014we\u2019ve always said, like, \u201cThe church plant journey was like skiing in front of an avalanche.\u201d God\u2019s Holy Spirit was in it; and people are getting saved and touched, and lives are being impacted. That\u2019s been the fun beautiful thing, watching.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Talk about calling, as a couple; because you\u2019ve talked about your call. How do you know\/how do you sense what God wants you to do?\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> I think that asking of the question is where the journey begins. It\u2019s one of those paths that you don\u2019t find until you\u2019ve started trying to walk it. I think, where we begin in Scripture, is always with the general will of God. God\u2019s will said: \u201cNone should perish\u201d\u2014\u201cSo am I saved?\u201d God\u2019s will is that I\u2019m sanctified and sexually pure, that I\u2019m thankful and rejoicing always. So when we start to do those sorts of things, I think the more specific, tangential areas of\u2014\u201cthis school,\u201d \u201cthat brand of toothpaste,\u201d those things God\u2014as you\u2019re walking in the general will, puts in your heart the desires that He wants you to walk in.\n\nI think it was Augustine, who said, \u201cLove God and do whatever you want.\u201d There is some truth and some freedom to that. God\u2019s call is: \u201cWhatever you do to [His] glory as you walk with Him in relationship.\u201d Colossians says, \u201c\u2026the peace of God will rule in your hearts to which you are called and be thankful.\u201d\n\nI think there\u2019s a sense in which you can say: \u201cLook, I\u2019m saved. I\u2019m not in gross sin. I\u2019m serving, tithing, giving;\u201d\u2014all these things that I\u2019m supposed to be doing\u2014\u201cand now, I get to do whatever I want.\u201d \u201cIs God\/is my desire to take this job?\u201d\u2014\u201cGreat! Take it.\u201d \u201cDo I desire that sport in school?\u201d\u2014\u201cAmazing! Go for it.\u201d I think there\u2019s a freedom in it, where you view God\u2019s will more as a launch pad than a lock down.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> That\u2019s good. I think also, in the marriage, where both the husband and the wife are following hard after God individually\u2014because I think, when we\u2019re hungry for God on our own, and then we\u2019re together asking God to lead us in what He has for us in the daily things, too\u2014it\u2019s easier; because we\u2019re both listening for God\u2019s voice, and we\u2019re both wanting to be strong in our relationship with Him individually, that it makes it easier and it takes the pressure off of each other to try to like: \u201cWell, Levi, you\u2019re leading me; so you have to make all the decisions.\u201d But it\u2019s like, \u201cNo, I\u2019m also hearing from God; and there is such a peace right now in this decision.\u201d\n\nHonestly, there is such beauty in that when we\u2019re <em>both<\/em> following Jesus, and loving Him, and then letting Him lead us together.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> As I listen to you guys, what I hear and what I see are lives that are just surrendered, like, \u201cGod, here we are. We\u2019ll do anything and go anywhere for You, because we want to make Your name known.\u201d I think that\u2019s the key.\n\nMaybe you\u2019re listening, and your spouse isn\u2019t on the same page spiritually; but you <em>still<\/em> can go before the Father, who hears <em>every single<\/em> prayer, as you call out to Him: \u201cI want to live the life that You\u2019ve called me to.\u201d He\u2019s not going to say, \u201cNo, I\u2019m not going to do that.\u201d He\u2019s like, \u201cI\u2019m all about that. I want you to live; because I\u2019ve created you, and I\u2019ve put gifts in you and strengths in you to bring glory to My name, and it will bring you joy.\u201d\n\nAs I look at you two, that\u2019s what you\u2019ve done: you\u2019ve surrendered; you\u2019ve heard the call; and you\u2019re just walking this path of what He\u2019s placed before you, because He\u2019s put so many gifts into you.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I also sense that it\u2019s a joint calling\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014that He calls the two of you.\n\nI know that, when we got married, I <em>knew<\/em> that my call would be <em>our<\/em> call. If we\u2019re one, He\u2019s going to call us <em>together<\/em>. Obviously, we walked a similar path in terms of planting churches; but I think that\u2019s true for every couple. When you\u2019re married, it isn\u2019t a separate\/it\u2019s a calling, as a partnership, for kingdom impact.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Yes, and that\u2019s true regardless of how it actually works out mechanically. I think, if someone listening\u2014if their husband is on the road or whatever\u2014it\u2019s like, \u201cYou\u2019re still a part of it, even though you might be behind the scenes.\u201d Someone asked John Glenn what it was like to be the man who orbited the earth for the first time; and he said, \u201cWell, I got to actually be there; but there was 400,000 people at NASA who put me out there.\u201d\n\nI think there\u2019s maybe\u2014in our roles, we get to serve more publically: you\u2019re on the radio together; we lead as a church-planting couple together\u2014but for the couple, who maybe the mom stays home or whatever, you still are a part of what God\u2019s called your husband\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> \u2014or your wife to do, even if you serve in a way that\u2019s unseen. As Paul says, \u201cThe hand needs the eye. The eye needs the foot,\u201d etc.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> I think knowing that it changes, too\u2014because for us, there was a season I was literally home all the time with our kids, and home schooling, and all that stuff\u2014now, it just looks a little bit different in this season. But knowing\u2014that it\u2019s not like just because it\u2019s one way, it\u2019s <em>always<\/em> going to be that way\u2014but being sensitive to the Spirit leading.\n\nLevi also was so amazing in leading in that way, too, of giving me more of\/kind of pushing me; because I\u2019m like more of reluctant leader, I guess. He\u2019s more like: \u201cNo, I want you to say something,\u201d or \u201cI want you to choose this.\u201d That has been super helpful for me as being more of a: \u201cNo, actually, I <em>like<\/em> being in the background; and I don\u2019t want to do anything like that.\u201d That\u2019s been helpful, just in even our relationship, too.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I also think of, when you think about calling\u2014especially as we\u2019re talking about a married couple\u2014you think: \u201cGod\u2019s call will not involve pain,\u201d \u201cIt will not involve loss.\u201d As we step into the rest of your story, we\u2019re going to find out, sometimes, it doesn\u2019t go the way we think; and it\u2019s going to be really, really hard.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Anytime we\u2019re facing an option between a place that looks good and the place that God is calling us to, it\u2019s always the right choice to go where God is calling us. That\u2019s a great conversation today with Dave and Ann Wilson talking to Levi and Jennie Lusko about their story\/about their life. As Dave mentioned, there is more to this story that we\u2019ll be hearing this week.\n\nLevi has written a book called <em>Through the Eyes of a Lion: Facing Impossible Pain, Finding Incredible Power<\/em>, which is the story we\u2019re going to unpack. That book is available in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order the book from us online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to order: 1-800-FL-TODAY is the number; 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\nNow, this is the last day of May. If you\u2019ve been listening to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at all during the month of May, you know that we have been hoping, praying, asking you to help us take full advantage of a matching-gift opportunity that was made available to us, back at the beginning of the month. Generous friends of this ministry came and offered to match every donation, that we receive during the month of May, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $350,000.\n\nWith this being the deadline day, we are hoping that many of you will call or go online and make as generous a donation as possible so that we can take full advantage of this matching-gift opportunity during the month of May. In fact, you\u2019ve heard me talk about being a monthly Legacy Partner, somebody who supports <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> on a monthly basis. When you do that, every donation you make over the next 12 months is going to be matched, dollar for dollar, as long as there are still funds available in that matching-gift fund.\n\nNew Legacy Partners will receive a certificate to attend an upcoming <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaway as our guests. That certificate is transferable; you can pass that on to somebody you know, who would benefit from going to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>. We\u2019re so excited to have <em>Weekend<\/em>s<em> to Remember<\/em> happening again. We have a few this spring, and we have a full schedule planned for the fall. Become a Legacy Partner\u2014get you certificate for a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>\u2014and help us take advantage of this matching-gift opportunity. Make your donation online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Do it today if at all possible.\n\nWe hope you can join us back again tomorrow when Dave and Ann Wilson will, once again, be talking to Levi and Jennie Lusko. We\u2019ll hear about the day right before Christmas, several years ago, that was one of the darkest days in their family\u2019s history and how God met them in that moment. That comes up tomorrow. I hope you can join us for that.\n\nOn behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Helping you pursue the relationships that matter most.\n\nSong:\u00a0 <em>Grow Old with You<\/em>\n\nArtist:\u00a0 [Sung on broadcast by Dave Wilson]\n\nAlbum: <em>Wedding Singer <\/em>Soundtrack (p) 1998 by Maverick\/Warner Bros.\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\nWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. 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Listen as they tell of their ups and downs and the blessing they found in following the Lord together!","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"","transcript_content":"<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Alright; as you think back on marrying me\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014your biggest thought was: \u201cI will never marry\u2026\u201d\u2014what?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014\u201ca pastor and go to Detroit.\u201d [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cand a bald guy.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, I never thought about that; but that could have been one, too. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So how did that work out?\n\n<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I\u2019m Ann Wilson.\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Dave: <\/strong>And I\u2019m Dave Wilson. You can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com or on our FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> app.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So how did that work out? [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s so funny; because I thought, \u201cThese are the things that would be <em>horrible<\/em> if I did them.\u201d And now I\u2019m living it, and it has been the greatest journey of my life.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It has been an <em>amazing<\/em> journey.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And it\u2019s because of Jesus, because He\u2019s taken us\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> No, it\u2019s because of <em>me<\/em>; come on.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, I\u2019m sorry. That\u2019s right; that\u2019s you, honey.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s because of Jesus.\n\nI bring that up because we\u2019ve got a couple today that\u2019s lived a similar journey, in terms of Levi and Jennie Lusko have started a church in Montana.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> you guys.\n\n<strong>Levi and Jennie:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> Thanks for having us.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> It\u2019s so fun.\n\n<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Not only are you pastors of Fresh Life Church in Montana, and Wyoming, and Utah, and all kinds of different places\u2014which you\u2019ll have to tell us how that happened\u2014but also, prolific authors of incredible books. We\u2019re going to talk today about <em>Through the Eyes of a Lion<\/em>; but you\u2019ve got: <em>I Declare War<\/em> and <em>Swipe Right<\/em>.\n\nHow do I know all these things?\u2014because our son is your agent\/your literary agent, which is really, really cool.\n\nBut talk a little bit about your story.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wait, wait, wait. I want to hear\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Look at that; see how she cuts me off!\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I know; I\u2019m already interrupting. How many years have you guys been married?\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Seventeen years.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And then how many kids do you have?\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> Five\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Levi: <\/strong>We have to do a head count\u2014a bunch of little hooligans. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You guys are looking at each other like\u2014\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> \u2014five; right?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> How old are they?\n\n<strong>Levi<\/strong>: That\u2019s a tough question to answer always. We always struggle with it; because people will ask\/will see us on an airplane and they go: \u201cHow many kids do you have?\u201d or \u201cIs that all your kids?\u201d For us\u2014of course, and we\u2019ll talk about it, I\u2019m sure\u2014the tension is we have a child in heaven, so we have four kids on earth; one child in heaven. The asterisk on that is people ask: \u201cHow many kids do you have?\u201d or they see us with the girls and they would go, \u201cOh, all girls.\u201d\n\nIt\u2019s just funny because, when you have a child in heaven, the clumsy articulation of an answer to that question is: \u201cWe technically still have that child that\u2019s not here with us but five altogether.\u201d\n\n<strong>Jennie<\/strong>: \u201cI gave birth to five babies.\u201d\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> \u201cShe gave birth five times.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann<\/strong>: How can you not include her, because she\u2019s such a part of your story and your lives.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> Right; yes.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Our oldest is 15 and our youngest is 3. We have four girls in a row and then a little boy three years ago.\n\n<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Wow.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> How has it been having a boy? Is it different?\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Amazing; everything\u2019s different. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> It\u2019s so funny. At Christmas, Levi was preaching, obviously. He had ordered a suit\u2014\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> \u2014for Lenox. I got Lenox a little kid\u2019s suit.\n\n<strong>Jennie<\/strong>: \u2014for Lenox. But for Levi, he was wearing a suit. Lenox was like, \u201cI want to wear a suit, too.\u201d I hadn\u2019t planned his Christmas outfit, so Levi ordered one for him.\n\nThe whole time he was like, \u201cI\u2019m going to get married on Christmas,\u201d because he thinks like wearing a suit he was going to get married on Christmas. It was just so cute; because even now, he always talks about his wife, and how he\u2019s going to meet his wife at church, and how he\u2019s going to kiss her on the lips. That\u2019s one of his big obsessions.\n\n<strong>Levi: <\/strong>Pray for us.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You can tell he has sisters.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Pray for us; we\u2019ve got problems.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> I know; I know! Anyway\u2014\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> He\u2019s watched <em>Beauty and the Beast<\/em> a few too many times with older sisters.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Tell me this: \u201cDid you guys sort of meet the way Lenox wants to meet? Did you kiss in church? Is this how your relationship started?\u201d [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> What a great question.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> Yes, that is a great question.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> We did meet in church.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> We did.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Jennie was an intern in the mission\u2019s department. I was the assistant youth pastor. We met serving in the youth ministry, setting up chairs for the youth service. She was volunteering; I was volunteering\u2014well, it was my job\u2014she was volunteering.\n\nI knew immediately; it took her all of two minutes. We both kind of had like this sense\u2014she tells the story\u2014she saw me and said, \u201cI would like to grow old with that person.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh!\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> I just remember seeing and thinking she was beautiful. I didn\u2019t think anything about old age, but we definitely hit it off pretty quickly.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Jennie, what made you say that? That\u2019s interesting.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> Well, I think I said that further on in our relationship. I don\u2019t think I\u2014\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Oh, I thought it was early.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> I remember\/I think we were dating; but I remember just looking up at you one day and thinking, \u201cI\u2019d just love to grow old with Levi\u201d; because obviously, he loved Jesus. You\u2019re just fun, kind of a weird\u2014I don\u2019t think of that often\u2014but I just think it was just a sweet little moment that God kind of brought that to my mind. It was really sweet.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It wasn\u2019t this moment was it?\u2014do you know this song? [Singing <em>Grow Old with You<\/em>]\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> No.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> [Continuing to sing <em>Grow Old with You<\/em>] Come on; you don\u2019t know that?\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> No, that\u2019s so sweet though.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s Adam Sandler in <em>The Wedding Singer.<\/em>\n\n<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> I remember it vividly now that you say that; that\u2019s a great movie reference.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Take us back, Levi. You\u2019re a PK; your dad was a pastor. Where did that begin? Did they grow up in the church? Take us back to that.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> My parents were both radically saved in the midst of the hippie movement; they\u2019re both first-generation believers. Their families before them: atheism and secular intellectual. My mom\u2019s mom was married and divorced three times. My dad was raised by his stepfather and his mother; he never knew his dad. He was told by his stepfather\u2014he called him his dad\u2014he put a 20 dollar bill down on the table one day and said, \u201cThat\u2019s the only god you ever need to worry about.\u201d Basically, that was the only education in spirituality he was given is the \u201cAlmighty Dollar.\u201d\n\nNo upbringing of faith to speak of, or really love or affection for either of them, on both sides; so they just had to find their own way in the world. My dad got saved in Hawaii\u2014he was there to join the Green Peace\u2014saving the whales. My mom got saved, I believe, through Intervarsity<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. She and [he] had dated before they were\/and lived together before they got saved; went their separate ways. Both found Jesus\u2014ended up coming back together, got married\u2014super involved in church ministry and church planting. They ended up, later, getting divorced; some things surfaced. Both of them had lots, of course, trauma, especially my mom from things that she faced before they came together.\n\nThey\u2019re no longer together; but I had a very happy life\u2014grew up in the church, knowing Jesus my whole life as a second-generation Christian\u2014so very different than them. Since I was two years old, felt a call on my life to: \u201cBe a pastor like my dad,\u201d is how I used to always say it. I\u2019ve never really done anything else but that.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> If we would have seen you in high school or maybe college, would we look at you and go, \u201cThere\u2019s a future pastor\u201d?\u2014you\u2019re living a life that would make me think, \u201cHe\u2019s going in the ministry.\u201d\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> I mean, I was not without my dips in sanctification\/the sanctification journey, to be sure. But I preached my first sermon at 14. I would get dropped off, after school, at church and served in the youth ministry, helped plan summer camps and mission trips.\n\nI had a real significant challenge\/a crisis of faith my senior year in high school, where for a few months\u2014I mean, I was the chaplain of my Christian high school as a volunteer; I mean, I was literally\/you would have thought, \u201cFuture pastor for sure,\u201d\u2014but for about a three- or four-month period, I <em>really<\/em> wandered away and thought\u2014you know, it was kind of one of those proving times\u2014I had given my whole life up to this; and it had come to: \u201cDo I really believe this? Is this what I really want to do?\u201d and dabbled in drinking a little bit during that period and, really, had a wakeup call of: \u201cThis is\/I was running.\u201d It was my Jonah moment.\n\nI think it was mostly just feeling that panic, like, \u201cMaybe I made a mistake; maybe I missed out.\u201d I realized, through those few moments of sin, it was kind of like a prodigal son coming to my senses, realizing how good I had it at the Father\u2019s table and, really, never looked back from following, whole heartedly, Jesus.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Jennie, what about your faith? When did that become really important to you?\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> I grew up in a Christian home. I remember, when I was seven, and I had seen the gospel presentation at church with Psalty the Singing Songbook.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, Psalty; our kids loved Psalty. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> Yes, I remember that night; I remember my dad praying with me, and I accepted Jesus\u2014understood that I was a sinner and I needed\/and Jesus died on the cross for my sins and rose from the dead. I remember understanding that to some extent when I was seven; and then it\u2019s really kind of been that journey of what it has looked like, throughout different seasons and stages of my life, to love Jesus and to follow Him; I\u2019m so grateful.\n\nWhen I was in middle school, we were super plugged into our church. I just immediately got plugged into a small group, and going to church, and really having my people at church, and loving it. Mission trips: I feel like mission trips, where we would go to Mexico every summer\u2014and we thought we were doing something good for other people\u2014but, ultimately, looking back, I see how God was just getting a hold of my heart\u2014and so grateful for that.\n\nThen just journey through high school and boys\u2014that was always a struggle\u2014wanting to be liked by a boy; wanting to like a boy. But when I was ten was when my mom brought me to this purity conference; it\u2019s called <em>A Garden Enclosed<\/em>. I remember hearing, for the first time, that God wanted me to save sex until marriage and to save myself for my future husband. I didn\u2019t even know exactly what that meant, but I knew I wanted God\u2019s best for my life. I remember, at that point, really having that goal of like: \u201cI want to live my life for God. I want to honor Him, and I want to save myself for my husband one day whenever that is.\u201d What\u2019s so sweet was that\u2014was that at age seven and ten were very significant moments with God\u2014and it just kind of led me through. But I still had struggles with wanting to be liked by boys and stuff like that.\n\nIt was just really special when I was 19, and I felt like God was calling me to New Mexico and to be a part of their mission\u2019s internship there. It\u2019s so funny, because my whole\u2014even through high school\u2014like I wanted to be a missionary. I always thought I was going to be a missionary in Africa or Asia. Literally, missions moved me from Monterey, California, to Albuquerque, New Mexico.\n\nLevi and I met right away. But I had made a decision to not date that whole year\u2014just to focus on the Lord and not have any distractions\u2014we met halfway through that year. Looking back, it\u2019s just so special; because God truly gave us the gift of a foundation of friendship\u2014where my whole life, even from kindergarten on\u2014I\u2019ve always wanted to be liked by a boy and me to have that relationship with a boy. Here I am\u2014I meet the man I\u2019m supposed to marry\u2014but there\u2019s the decision I had made to not date. We literally were forced to be friends; so looking back, we\u2019re so grateful for that. But then we started dating right after my internship and got married.\n\nThat\u2019s kind of\u2014my parents both gave their lives to Christ when I was five, I think\u2014that was kind of a legacy for me to walk in. Since then, my parents aren\u2019t married anymore either; but they laid out a good foundation for me. Now, I\u2019m so grateful.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Here you are, and I\u2019d love to hear how you end up in Montana. I know that you had sort of a youth pastor\/maybe teaching pastor job in Southern California, but then you get this call. Tell us that whole story.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And you said it was kind of a cush job.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Yes; meaning [I] didn\u2019t have a lot of responsibilities outside of communicating a message, which is, in and of itself, a challenge, of course. Anybody who\u2019s ever had to preach, it\u2019s hard work; it takes time if you\u2019re going to do it well.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> Levi\u2019s <em>always<\/em> put his heart and soul in messages. Even when we were leading youth group in New Mexico together, he would pour time and effort\/energy and prayer into these messages for these students. Looking back\u2014and seeing the love, and the care, and the effort, and energy going into messages back then\u2014that\u2019s just kind of been a thing through his whole life.\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> I mean, you guys know it\u2019s hard work. But I didn\u2019t have any of the other responsibilities that make ministry more challenging: dealing with teams, dealing with the burden of finance, HR, all the things that really bring headaches and complexities to a ministry.\n\nYet, we always deep-down knew, that one day\/ that we had the desire\u2014kind of entrepreneurial mission\u2014like we said, we both got our start in missions. That missionary spirit\u2014that is at the core of church planting\u2014you guys are church planters; you understand that. We felt like the time was going to come when we would probably feel that call. We weren\u2019t in a rush or a hurry. We were always under good leaders; and so we knew the time would come when God was going to show us, and we would be given the go-ahead to go do that. It was a good paycheck; we had a great life. We lived a mile from the beach; had season passes to Disneyland\u2014it\u2019s Southern California\u2014who doesn\u2019t want to live there; right?\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> When you say \u201ccush,\u201d that was kind of what we\u2019re\u2014\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> That\u2019s why we called it a cush job.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Okay.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> We could have very much stayed on auto-pilot there\u2014and given a message once a week, and basically just\u2014but we wouldn\u2019t have felt right. And we knew that, if God called us to something else, to say, \u201cNo,\u201d to that would have been missing an opportunity, even though it seemed like the path less taken.\n\nFor us, that ultimately led us to Montana, which didn\u2019t feel like suffering; because I grew up in the ski towns of Colorado, and I loved that. But it just wasn\u2019t the metropolitan area that we always kind of deep-down suspected we would end up in: Los Angeles, or New York City, or Chicago, or something. It was mountain towns\/small little area; yet, it was what God put into our hearts.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Did you have kids at the time?\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> We had one, and Jennie was pregnant.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> But I didn\u2019t know I was pregnant until we moved to Montana\u2014\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Right when we got here, we found out.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> \u2014with Lenya; we were pregnant with Lenya.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Your church started to grow quickly\/rapidly. I mean, God was <em>really<\/em> moving. And your family started to grow, too. Take us to that point when you have four kids.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Oh, goodness gracious, like rabbits\u2014cold winters; got to stay warm\u2014that\u2019s how we had all those kids. [Laughter] How do you get\/how else are you going to stay warm?\u2014right?\n\nThe church grew. Soon we had\u2014I know you guys\u2019 story is similar\u2014the trajectory of just growth, and new cities, and opportunities. We had multiple campuses and, then, multiple kids. You have four daughters; and then a little boy came way, way, way later. It was very much like, every day, a new thing\u2014it was a beautiful\u2014we\u2019ve always said, like, \u201cThe church plant journey was like skiing in front of an avalanche.\u201d God\u2019s Holy Spirit was in it; and people are getting saved and touched, and lives are being impacted. That\u2019s been the fun beautiful thing, watching.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Talk about calling, as a couple; because you\u2019ve talked about your call. How do you know\/how do you sense what God wants you to do?\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> I think that asking of the question is where the journey begins. It\u2019s one of those paths that you don\u2019t find until you\u2019ve started trying to walk it. I think, where we begin in Scripture, is always with the general will of God. God\u2019s will said: \u201cNone should perish\u201d\u2014\u201cSo am I saved?\u201d God\u2019s will is that I\u2019m sanctified and sexually pure, that I\u2019m thankful and rejoicing always. So when we start to do those sorts of things, I think the more specific, tangential areas of\u2014\u201cthis school,\u201d \u201cthat brand of toothpaste,\u201d those things God\u2014as you\u2019re walking in the general will, puts in your heart the desires that He wants you to walk in.\n\nI think it was Augustine, who said, \u201cLove God and do whatever you want.\u201d There is some truth and some freedom to that. God\u2019s call is: \u201cWhatever you do to [His] glory as you walk with Him in relationship.\u201d Colossians says, \u201c\u2026the peace of God will rule in your hearts to which you are called and be thankful.\u201d\n\nI think there\u2019s a sense in which you can say: \u201cLook, I\u2019m saved. I\u2019m not in gross sin. I\u2019m serving, tithing, giving;\u201d\u2014all these things that I\u2019m supposed to be doing\u2014\u201cand now, I get to do whatever I want.\u201d \u201cIs God\/is my desire to take this job?\u201d\u2014\u201cGreat! Take it.\u201d \u201cDo I desire that sport in school?\u201d\u2014\u201cAmazing! Go for it.\u201d I think there\u2019s a freedom in it, where you view God\u2019s will more as a launch pad than a lock down.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> That\u2019s good. I think also, in the marriage, where both the husband and the wife are following hard after God individually\u2014because I think, when we\u2019re hungry for God on our own, and then we\u2019re together asking God to lead us in what He has for us in the daily things, too\u2014it\u2019s easier; because we\u2019re both listening for God\u2019s voice, and we\u2019re both wanting to be strong in our relationship with Him individually, that it makes it easier and it takes the pressure off of each other to try to like: \u201cWell, Levi, you\u2019re leading me; so you have to make all the decisions.\u201d But it\u2019s like, \u201cNo, I\u2019m also hearing from God; and there is such a peace right now in this decision.\u201d\n\nHonestly, there is such beauty in that when we\u2019re <em>both<\/em> following Jesus, and loving Him, and then letting Him lead us together.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> As I listen to you guys, what I hear and what I see are lives that are just surrendered, like, \u201cGod, here we are. We\u2019ll do anything and go anywhere for You, because we want to make Your name known.\u201d I think that\u2019s the key.\n\nMaybe you\u2019re listening, and your spouse isn\u2019t on the same page spiritually; but you <em>still<\/em> can go before the Father, who hears <em>every single<\/em> prayer, as you call out to Him: \u201cI want to live the life that You\u2019ve called me to.\u201d He\u2019s not going to say, \u201cNo, I\u2019m not going to do that.\u201d He\u2019s like, \u201cI\u2019m all about that. I want you to live; because I\u2019ve created you, and I\u2019ve put gifts in you and strengths in you to bring glory to My name, and it will bring you joy.\u201d\n\nAs I look at you two, that\u2019s what you\u2019ve done: you\u2019ve surrendered; you\u2019ve heard the call; and you\u2019re just walking this path of what He\u2019s placed before you, because He\u2019s put so many gifts into you.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I also sense that it\u2019s a joint calling\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014that He calls the two of you.\n\nI know that, when we got married, I <em>knew<\/em> that my call would be <em>our<\/em> call. If we\u2019re one, He\u2019s going to call us <em>together<\/em>. Obviously, we walked a similar path in terms of planting churches; but I think that\u2019s true for every couple. When you\u2019re married, it isn\u2019t a separate\/it\u2019s a calling, as a partnership, for kingdom impact.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> Yes, and that\u2019s true regardless of how it actually works out mechanically. I think, if someone listening\u2014if their husband is on the road or whatever\u2014it\u2019s like, \u201cYou\u2019re still a part of it, even though you might be behind the scenes.\u201d Someone asked John Glenn what it was like to be the man who orbited the earth for the first time; and he said, \u201cWell, I got to actually be there; but there was 400,000 people at NASA who put me out there.\u201d\n\nI think there\u2019s maybe\u2014in our roles, we get to serve more publically: you\u2019re on the radio together; we lead as a church-planting couple together\u2014but for the couple, who maybe the mom stays home or whatever, you still are a part of what God\u2019s called your husband\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Levi:<\/strong> \u2014or your wife to do, even if you serve in a way that\u2019s unseen. As Paul says, \u201cThe hand needs the eye. The eye needs the foot,\u201d etc.\n\n<strong>Jennie:<\/strong> I think knowing that it changes, too\u2014because for us, there was a season I was literally home all the time with our kids, and home schooling, and all that stuff\u2014now, it just looks a little bit different in this season. But knowing\u2014that it\u2019s not like just because it\u2019s one way, it\u2019s <em>always<\/em> going to be that way\u2014but being sensitive to the Spirit leading.\n\nLevi also was so amazing in leading in that way, too, of giving me more of\/kind of pushing me; because I\u2019m like more of reluctant leader, I guess. He\u2019s more like: \u201cNo, I want you to say something,\u201d or \u201cI want you to choose this.\u201d That has been super helpful for me as being more of a: \u201cNo, actually, I <em>like<\/em> being in the background; and I don\u2019t want to do anything like that.\u201d That\u2019s been helpful, just in even our relationship, too.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I also think of, when you think about calling\u2014especially as we\u2019re talking about a married couple\u2014you think: \u201cGod\u2019s call will not involve pain,\u201d \u201cIt will not involve loss.\u201d As we step into the rest of your story, we\u2019re going to find out, sometimes, it doesn\u2019t go the way we think; and it\u2019s going to be really, really hard.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Anytime we\u2019re facing an option between a place that looks good and the place that God is calling us to, it\u2019s always the right choice to go where God is calling us. That\u2019s a great conversation today with Dave and Ann Wilson talking to Levi and Jennie Lusko about their story\/about their life. As Dave mentioned, there is more to this story that we\u2019ll be hearing this week.\n\nLevi has written a book called <em>Through the Eyes of a Lion: Facing Impossible Pain, Finding Incredible Power<\/em>, which is the story we\u2019re going to unpack. That book is available in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order the book from us online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to order: 1-800-FL-TODAY is the number; 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\nNow, this is the last day of May. If you\u2019ve been listening to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at all during the month of May, you know that we have been hoping, praying, asking you to help us take full advantage of a matching-gift opportunity that was made available to us, back at the beginning of the month. Generous friends of this ministry came and offered to match every donation, that we receive during the month of May, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $350,000.\n\nWith this being the deadline day, we are hoping that many of you will call or go online and make as generous a donation as possible so that we can take full advantage of this matching-gift opportunity during the month of May. In fact, you\u2019ve heard me talk about being a monthly Legacy Partner, somebody who supports <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> on a monthly basis. When you do that, every donation you make over the next 12 months is going to be matched, dollar for dollar, as long as there are still funds available in that matching-gift fund.\n\nNew Legacy Partners will receive a certificate to attend an upcoming <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaway as our guests. That certificate is transferable; you can pass that on to somebody you know, who would benefit from going to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>. We\u2019re so excited to have <em>Weekend<\/em>s<em> to Remember<\/em> happening again. We have a few this spring, and we have a full schedule planned for the fall. Become a Legacy Partner\u2014get you certificate for a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>\u2014and help us take advantage of this matching-gift opportunity. Make your donation online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Do it today if at all possible.\n\nWe hope you can join us back again tomorrow when Dave and Ann Wilson will, once again, be talking to Levi and Jennie Lusko. We\u2019ll hear about the day right before Christmas, several years ago, that was one of the darkest days in their family\u2019s history and how God met them in that moment. That comes up tomorrow. I hope you can join us for that.\n\nOn behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Helping you pursue the relationships that matter most.\n\nSong:\u00a0 <em>Grow Old with You<\/em>\n\nArtist:\u00a0 [Sung on broadcast by Dave Wilson]\n\nAlbum: <em>Wedding Singer <\/em>Soundtrack (p) 1998 by Maverick\/Warner Bros.\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\nWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. 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