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Thanks for joining us, Thursday, May 27<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I\u2019m Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. You know, you cannot spend the number of hours\/the number of years\u2014I mean, if you put them in hours\u2014it would still be years I\u2019ve been in this studio, for 26 years with Dennis Rainey; and then for the last two-plus years with you guys. You can\u2019t spend that much time together with people without influencing one another.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> They mark you.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; rubbing off on you.\n\nWe\u2019re spending some time this week looking back at the last 28-plus years, because we\u2019re wrapping things up this week for me. This is the last week that I\u2019ll be on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> as a co-host with you guys; you guys will take it from here. We\u2019re looking back at the last 28 years and the many lessons\u2014honestly, I wish I could have put a list of about 80 lessons over the\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I bet.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014I had to say, \u201cWhat are the things that have really marked me over the years?\u201d\n\nI wanted to share with listeners\u2014those of you who have been along with us for an extended period of time\u2014I know you\u2019ve been marked by some of these things. You just need to know I have, too. If you were tuned in, going, \u201cThose guys have got it together, and I need help,\u201d you just need to know: \u201cWe need help, too.\u201d As we have guests come in\u2014I mean, how many days have you left the studio, after we\u2019ve had a guest and gone, \u201cBoy, I needed to hear that\u201d?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, almost every day.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Every time, we\u2019re done recording, we think, \u201cI have grown and learned so much.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s so inspiring.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We can\u2019t let this week pass without thinking about the impact that all three of us have experienced from\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014Dennis Rainey, the founder and then president of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, who sat here in this room with me for 26 years. Both of us learned and grew; but he was\u2014Dennis was\u2014he is eight years older than me; okay? So his kids were always like six grades ahead of our kids.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014a step ahead.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> His marriage was always one season ahead of our marriage. I\u2019m just soaking it in, every day, hearing what he is going through and going\u2014\u201cOh, yes, the empty nest will come for us. We better be ready for that,\u201d \u201cOh, yes, teenagers\/they are going to be like this. I better get ready for that,\u201d\u2014all of these things I was learning from Dennis through the years.\n\nI thought, today, I would go, \u201cWhat were the core things from Dennis that have marked me in the 28 years?\u201d\u2014because that\u2019s been a big part of all of this. It all goes back to before we recorded our very first radio program. I\u2019ll tell you the story; okay?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, let\u2019s hear it.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Dennis called me in May of 1992. I was living in San Antonio. I had interviewed him twice on my call-in talk show in San Antonio, where I said, \u201cWelcome to <em>Cross Currents<\/em>. We\u2019ve got on the phone line with us the president from FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey. Hey, Dennis, how are you doing?\u201d I interviewed him. I hung up from the interview, thinking, \u201cHe was a pretty good guest.\u201d He hung up, going, \u201cHe was a better-than-average interviewer.\u201d We had that; that\u2019s all we knew of each other.\n\nHe calls me one day in May; and he said, \u201cWe\u2019re thinking about starting a radio program. We need some help.\u201d I said, \u201cAre you looking for a consultant?\u201d He said, \u201cNo, we\u2019re looking for somebody full time.\u201d I said, \u201cYou want to move the ministry to San Antonio.\u201d He said, \u201cNo.\u201d I said, \u201cWell,\u201d\u2014I said\u2014\u201cwe\u2019re happy here. We like what we\u2019re doing.\u201d I said, \u201cI want to be open to whatever the Lord has, but I can\u2019t see us moving.\u201d\n\nWell, fast forward five months, God made it clear to Mary Ann and me this is where we were supposed to be. I remember sitting in a conference room with Dennis. Dennis said, \u201cI\u2019ve got a question to ask you; it\u2019s kind of a job interview.\u201d I\u2019m really thinking, \u201cI\u2019m not coming to Little Rock; I\u2019m staying in San Antonio.\u201d I wasn\u2019t treating it like a job interview\/like, \u201cI\u2019ve got to get the questions right.\u201d\n\nHe says, \u201cLet me ask you: \u2018Does marriage and family\/does it make you weep and pound the table?\u2019\u201d I thought, \u201cOkay; do I weep and pound the table about marriage and family?\u201d I said, \u201cHere\u2019s what makes me weep and pound the table. Theology makes me weep and pound the table: understanding God, understanding the Bible\u2014getting that right\u2014that makes me\/that\u2019s what keeps me up at night.\u201d I said, \u201cTo the extent that marriage and family is on the heart of God, then, yes, I am passionate about it.\u201d\n\nHere is what I didn\u2019t realize when he asked that question. I did not realize how much marriage and family is on the heart of God; Dennis did.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know if he understood it instinctively, or if he understood it from reading the Scriptures, or some combination\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014or if it\u2019s just his call.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014He knew that marriage and family is central to God\u2019s purposes for humankind being lived out and for human flourishing. I saw it as kind of an important thing but not as essential as he saw it.\n\nI remember, years later, looking at the Great Commandment in Matthew 22, where it says, \u201cThe greatest commandment is love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.\u201d I thought, \u201cThat\u2019s answer number one for me: \u2018What makes me weep and pound the table is theology\/knowing God.\u2019\u201d\n\n\u201cThe second is like unto it, love your neighbor as yourself.\u201d We always think about your neighbor being the next door person or the guy at church. What I realized, over the years, is I\u2019m married to my neighbor. My closest neighbor is my wife. My next closest neighbor is down the hall, my kids. Everything that the Bible has to say about how we get along with one another in the horizontal plane is really about marriage. So when the Bible says, \u201cBe kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another,\u201d that\u2019s a marriage verse.\n\nWhen the Bible says, \u201cEncourage one another\u201d\/when the Bible says, \u201cIf your brother is in need,\u201d those are marriage passages. I didn\u2019t see that as being as central as it was. So when I said, \u201cYes, we\u2019re coming to FamilyLife,\u201d in August of 1992, Dennis sent me a cassette album of him and Barbara teaching through <em>Building Your Mate\u2019s Self-Esteem<\/em>. The book had come out a few years before that.\n\nMary Ann and I and the kids\/we were headed on a family vacation to Colorado before I\u2019d even come here to start my first day of work. I take the cassette album; and we\u2019re listening to Dennis Rainey tapes. \u201cThis is my new boss; I\u2019ve got to do a radio show with this guy. I\u2019d better know what he is all about.\u201d Well, it was either tape 3 or tape 4 in that series on <em>Building Your Mate\u2019s Self-Esteem<\/em>, where he takes this little excursus and talks about the power of honoring your parents, which I\u2019m thinking, \u201cWhat does this have to do with your mate\u2019s self-esteem?\u201d He explains it has a lot to do with everything about your relationship; but I remember listening to this idea of honoring your parents and going, \u201cNobody is talking about that for adult kids.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We tell our little kids, \u201cHonor your mom and your dad\u201d; but Dennis\u2014I remember him saying, \u201cThere\u2019s no expiration date on the Fifth Commandment. It\u2019s not like you turn 21, and then you don\u2019t have to do that one anymore.\u201d\u2014I thought, \u201cThat\u2019s right!\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We remember hearing that for the first time, too. We kind of\/it stopped us.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We thought the same thing.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014so listen; here is him explaining how this became a life message for him. This is amazing.\n\n[Recorded Message]\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to venture back to the summer of 1966. I had just graduated from high school, and I stood on the white gravel chat driveway. My mom and dad were standing there; my mom seemed awfully small that day. I was saying goodbye to my parents as I was leaving for college.\n\nIt had to be God; He prompted me to look my mom and dad in the eye and tell them\u2014I think for the first time in my life\u2014\u201cI love you.\u201d I backed out of that driveway and headed out, and looked over my shoulder at my mom and dad standing there. It was an incredible moment. So much so, it took almost a decade later before I reflected on that and began to realize that I had been a neglectful son, assuming their love\/assuming their presence.\n\nSome years later\u2014in fact, a decade to be exact\u2014my dad died. I had spent those previous ten years in a very baby step way of attempting to honor my dad: let him know that I loved him, appreciated him, and just sought him out to let him know how much I cared about him.\n\nStill, as they summarized his life in a 30- to 35-minute ceremony, life didn\u2019t seem very fair: \u201cHow could you summarize such a great man\u2019s life in such a brief period of time?\u201d So I set about to write a tribute to my mom. I\u2019d like to say that I finished it that year in 1976; I didn\u2019t. It was 1982 before I finished my tribute to my mom. I sent that tribute to my mom instead of taking it to her and reading it to her. When she got it on a cold February day, she called me on the phone; and she said, \u201cIs this about your mean, old mom?! Is this about me?!\u201d I said, \u201cIt sure is, Mom.\u201d\n\nShe hung it right above where she had breakfast every day. She made the mailman read it, [Laughter] the repairman, the plumber. There were a lot of captive people, who had to ultimately read that tribute. Why is that?\u2014why?\u2014because parenting is hard work\/<em>really<\/em> hard work.\n\nWhy do you think God wants us to honor our parents? Well, I think, first of all, because honoring our parents is foundational to any nation or society.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Thinking back to the summer of 1992, and hearing Dennis for the first time talk about keeping the Fifth Commandment, even as an adult: \u201cThis needs to be talked about. I needed to hear it.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We all do.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I mean, I ended up getting the book\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014when Dennis ended up writing the book called <em>The Tribute<\/em>, at the time\u2014now called <em>The Forgotten Commandment<\/em>\u2014but I wrote a tribute to my mom. Just like Dennis\u2019s mom, she put it right there. I mean, I had given her a lot of gifts; that was the most precious gift she ever got.\n\nThank you, Dennis, for inspiring us to do it.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I ended up writing tributes to both of my mom and my dad. I put it in a scrapbook for their\u2014maybe, their 60<sup>th<\/sup> wedding anniversary\u2014but I had my brothers and my sister write in it, too, as well as all of their grandsons. I\u2019m telling you: I bet they went through it <em>hundreds<\/em> of times.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> They left it out on their coffee table, so everyone would look at it when they came in.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I would say to our listeners\u2014who weren\u2019t around in \u201992 or in the years when we\u2019ve talked about this\u2014this idea of honoring your parents, and you go: \u201cBut you don\u2019t know my parents,\u201d \u201cYou don\u2019t know my story.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Dennis\u2019s book is still available. Get a copy of <em>The Forgotten Commandment<\/em>. Read it, meditate on it, figure out how you can speak words of honor to your parents.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Pray about it.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Ask God, \u201cHow do I do this?\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The thing that I saw, over and over, again about Dennis is that, when it came to marriage and family, I was much more reactive; Dennis was much more intentional. He was purposeful about his marriage and family. I was kind of like, \u201cWell, I\u2019ll adjust.\u201d He came in with a game plan. I came in in the middle of the game and said, \u201cOkay;\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cwhat are we doing?\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cwhat are we doing?\u201d\u2014yes. \u201cWhat play should we call this time?\u201d His intentionality spoke volumes to me about the need, not just to be reactive, but as a husband\/as a father, to have a game plan: to know where you are going, to be purposeful, to be intentional.\n\nI don\u2019t know that I had that word assigned to it\u2014I don\u2019t know that intentionality was the word that I put to it immediately\u2014but I remember Dennis talking about the word that his kids would use to define him. That was the word; in fact, he shared this story at one point. This is kind of fun to listen to. Listen to him tell this.\n\n[Recorded Message]\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> A number of years ago, I had the privilege of watching my baseball team, the Cardinals, play in the World Series. [Audience response] Yes; alright! [Applause]\n\nUnfortunately, we weren\u2019t doing too well in this one day. I had my son there with me, Benjamin. The guy who had hosted us turned to me and Ben\u2014and he turned to Ben\u2014and he said, \u201cWhat one word would you use to describe your dad?\u201d\u00a0 I listened, and Ben said, \u201cOh, that\u2019s easy!\u2014intentional.\u201d [Laughter]\n\nI looked at my son; I said, \u201cSon, you come from better stock than that. You can do a better word than that; can\u2019t you?\u201d He goes, \u201cNo, Dad, that defines you. That\u2019s who you are. You are intentional as you\u2019ve raised us kids, as you\u2019ve loved Mom, as we go about our family. You are very intentional about what you do.\u201d\n\nThe next time our family got together, I got them all together; I said, \u201cNow, what do you all think about this word that Ben used to describe me?\u201d They all started nodding their heads, so I decided I had to learn to like it. [Laughter] Actually, it is a good word; because being intentional for the right thing can make a <em>huge<\/em> difference.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s a fun story; right?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But the point that it drives home is that intentionality matters. How much different would marriages and families be if husbands and wives would say: \u201cWe\u2019re going to be intentional about this. We\u2019re going to have a game plan. We know where we are going; we know what the goal is. We know what we are trying to accomplish in all of this.\u201d\n\nThat\u2019s not how we started our marriage. That\u2019s been an evolving process for me. I wish I could go back to the beginning and have that sense of purpose in year one; but just to have it dawn on me, and to have it start to creep into what our marriage and family has been, it\u2019s one of the ways Dennis has marked my life by making me more intentional.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It would be interesting to know what your kids would say\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014what word?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, what would it be for you?\u2014for us?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I had never even heard that concept about family until Dennis Rainey. I had heard it about our walks with God, but not about family. I think Dennis and Barbara have probably shaped us more than almost anything besides Jesus.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You go back to what you talked about earlier: marriage and family is <em>huge<\/em> in the plan of God.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want our single listeners to hear this, too: singleness is a gift from God\u2014in fact, we\u2019re going to hear more about that this week\u2014but most people are going to be called to marriage. This is central to God\u2019s design for humanity\/more central than we realized. If it\u2019s that important: \u201cBe intentional about what is important,\u201d which really goes to the last thing. This is something that you guys have talked about recently in your book, <em>No Perfect Parents<\/em>. You\u2019ve talked about the significance, the importance, the power of legacy.\n\nThat was a big word for Dennis. It\u2019s not a word that I came to FamilyLife focused on or thinking that much about. Yet, I began to realize\u2014as Dennis says, \u201cEverybody is leaving a legacy,\u201d\u2014it\u2019s not a question of whether you\u2019ll leave a legacy. The only question is: \u201cWhat legacy will you leave?\u201d That\u2019s when I started thinking, \u201cI better think more about this.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cI better up my game.\u201d [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\nListen to what Dennis shares as he talks about the power\/the importance of our legacy.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I believe the family is a legacy factory. It is the incubator where relationships are forged and where the truths from one generation are passed down to another. It is the most powerful place where a legacy can be shaped and given to the next generation.\n\nThat\u2019s why I\u2019m afraid\u2014as we talk about legacy, the word that we instantly go to is inheritance\u2014we think about how much money we want to leave the next generation. I don\u2019t think that\u2019s the right question. Now, I don\u2019t think it\u2019s wrong to leave an inheritance to the next generation; the Proverb says, \u201cA good man leaves an inheritance to his children.\u201d But I think the most important legacies that are left are those in the heart: character, fun, memories, people who loved each other; and there were relationships that were meaningful; a life that was lived on purpose\/that had a sense of mission. I think those are important parts of our legacies today that we don\u2019t talk enough about.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s a big word. Dennis helped me\/he really did call me up to say, \u201cOkay; what\u2019s my legacy going to be?\u201d\n\nMichael Easley\u2014in <em>The Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series\u2014he said, \u201cYou know, most people aren\u2019t going to remember you; but your kids will. The question is: \u2018Are you making the deposits there you need to make? Are you investing where you need to invest? Are you leaving a godly legacy?\u2019\u201d The psalmist says, \u201cBehold, my heritage is beautiful.\u201d You can look back and say, \u201cI\u2019ve been given a great gift; I\u2019ve been given a heritage that is beautiful.\u201d\n\nWe leave legacies; we inherit heritage. I want my kids to be able to look back and say, \u201cMy heritage is a beautiful heritage.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; you know, as we\u2019ve been talking, Dennis inspired me\/us to think, \u201cLegacy.\u201d Bob Lepine has inspired us to think, \u201cLegacy.\u201d You guys have a legacy; we\u2019re part of it. Part of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is: \u201cWe hope to carry on that legacy\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cof life-changing legacies around the world that we could be spreading the Word of God and God\u2019s heart for family and helping, literally, change, maybe, ungodly legacies to godly legacies.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think that we\u2019re all hoping to point people to Jesus. Bob, you\u2019ve done that. You really have done that for 28 years, alongside Dennis, and Barbara, and Mary Ann. You guys have continually taken us back to the truth of God\u2019s Word and the importance of what a family is.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, you guys need to know how thrilling it is to know that, when you step away, things don\u2019t get different. The same focus, the same purpose, the same passion, the same goals are still in place.\n\nI ran relay races in track in high school.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I did, too.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> To know, when you hand off the baton, that the person who is running the next leg is running just as fast and just as hard as they can to run the race just like you were doing before them; and like the person before was doing before them.\n\nThat\u2019s what I\u2019m thrilled about as I think about the baton hand-off, and stepping out of the lane, and letting you guys run. I\u2019m just thrilled; it\u2019s going to go faster, and better, and farther than ever.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We\u2019re going to run as fast as we can, as scared as we are. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; exactly. I was thinking, \u201cThe thing that we all have in common is we are all pointing people to the same place\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cand that is Jesus and the hope and the help that He brings.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\nWell, I imagine there are a lot of listeners who, like me, are thinking today, \u201cDennis Rainey had a significant impact in my life, as well, over the decades that we all listened to him.\u201d I imagine some of those listeners would like to have a copy of this conversation we\u2019ve had today. We\u2019ve taken this week\u2019s conversations about \u201cThe 28 Lessons I\u2019ve Learned in 28 Years of Co-hosting <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u201d\/put those conversations on a flash drive, along with the original programs from which these lessons came\/what has been seminal in my life, helping me develop as a husband, a father, as a follower of Christ.\n\nWe\u2019re making that flash drive available this week to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners, who can make a donation to help extend the reach of this ministry. Your donations help us take <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> to more people, more often. You make this program possible in your community and for listeners all around the world\u2014hundreds of thousands of listeners every day\u2014who are being impacted with practical biblical help and hope on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\nRight now, we\u2019ve got some friends of the ministry, who have agreed that they will match every donation we receive, during the month of May, up to a total of $350,000. They are matching it dollar for dollar; so you make a $25 donation today, and we are able to withdraw $25 from the matching-gift fund they\u2019ve established. Whatever you do, we can withdraw an equal amount from that matching-gift fund. We\u2019re asking you to be as generous as you can be so that we can take full advantage of this matching-gift fund. It expires the last day of May.\n\nIt\u2019s important that we hear from you today, if possible. Along with the flash drive, we\u2019d also like to send you a couple of books from Aaron and Jamie Ivey\u2014books called <em>Complement<\/em>\u2014Aaron wrote a book to husbands; Jamie wrote a book to wives\u2014these books have the same title and the same chapter headings, just one is for men and one is for women. We\u2019ll send you the books and the flash drive when you make a donation.\n\nThen let me say a word to those of you, who are long-time <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners\u2014you\u2019re a regular listener to this program; you\u2019ve heard us talk about our monthly Legacy Partners, people who will donate $25 or $50 a month\/whatever the amount is\u2014to help provide the financial stability for this program on an ongoing basis. We could not do this without our Legacy Partners. If you\u2019re a long-time listener, let me challenge you to become a Legacy Partner today. Make an ongoing investment in your family and in your community.\n\nWhen you do that, in addition to the flash drive and the books I just talked about, we\u2019re going to send you a certificate to attend an upcoming <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaway. The getaways are back. We still have a few of those this spring, and then we have getaways happening this fall. The certificate is transferrable: if you want to give that as a gift to somebody else, you can do that. In addition, your donations, month in and month out, are going to be matched, dollar for dollar, for the next year until the funds in the matching-gift fund are gone. You will help us take advantage of the matching-gift opportunity when you become a Legacy Partner.\n\nThere is a lot I\u2019ve covered there. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com; all of the information about making a one-time gift or becoming a month Legacy Partner\/all of that\u2019s available online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call us at 1-800-FL-TODAY. We look forward to hearing from you. Thanks, in advance, for your financial support of this ministry.\n\nNow, tomorrow, we\u2019ll just kind of go through\u2014we\u2019ve got a little potpourri\/just a mixed bag of key principles\/key ways that guests on this program have marked my life over the last 28 years\u2014we\u2019ll dive into some of those as we wrap things up tomorrow. I hope you can tune in for that.\n\nI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch; got some extra help from Bruce Goff and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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Thanks for joining us, Thursday, May 27<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I\u2019m Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. You know, you cannot spend the number of hours\/the number of years\u2014I mean, if you put them in hours\u2014it would still be years I\u2019ve been in this studio, for 26 years with Dennis Rainey; and then for the last two-plus years with you guys. You can\u2019t spend that much time together with people without influencing one another.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> They mark you.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; rubbing off on you.\n\nWe\u2019re spending some time this week looking back at the last 28-plus years, because we\u2019re wrapping things up this week for me. This is the last week that I\u2019ll be on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> as a co-host with you guys; you guys will take it from here. We\u2019re looking back at the last 28 years and the many lessons\u2014honestly, I wish I could have put a list of about 80 lessons over the\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I bet.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014I had to say, \u201cWhat are the things that have really marked me over the years?\u201d\n\nI wanted to share with listeners\u2014those of you who have been along with us for an extended period of time\u2014I know you\u2019ve been marked by some of these things. You just need to know I have, too. If you were tuned in, going, \u201cThose guys have got it together, and I need help,\u201d you just need to know: \u201cWe need help, too.\u201d As we have guests come in\u2014I mean, how many days have you left the studio, after we\u2019ve had a guest and gone, \u201cBoy, I needed to hear that\u201d?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, almost every day.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Every time, we\u2019re done recording, we think, \u201cI have grown and learned so much.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s so inspiring.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We can\u2019t let this week pass without thinking about the impact that all three of us have experienced from\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014Dennis Rainey, the founder and then president of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, who sat here in this room with me for 26 years. Both of us learned and grew; but he was\u2014Dennis was\u2014he is eight years older than me; okay? So his kids were always like six grades ahead of our kids.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014a step ahead.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> His marriage was always one season ahead of our marriage. I\u2019m just soaking it in, every day, hearing what he is going through and going\u2014\u201cOh, yes, the empty nest will come for us. We better be ready for that,\u201d \u201cOh, yes, teenagers\/they are going to be like this. I better get ready for that,\u201d\u2014all of these things I was learning from Dennis through the years.\n\nI thought, today, I would go, \u201cWhat were the core things from Dennis that have marked me in the 28 years?\u201d\u2014because that\u2019s been a big part of all of this. It all goes back to before we recorded our very first radio program. I\u2019ll tell you the story; okay?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, let\u2019s hear it.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Dennis called me in May of 1992. I was living in San Antonio. I had interviewed him twice on my call-in talk show in San Antonio, where I said, \u201cWelcome to <em>Cross Currents<\/em>. We\u2019ve got on the phone line with us the president from FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey. Hey, Dennis, how are you doing?\u201d I interviewed him. I hung up from the interview, thinking, \u201cHe was a pretty good guest.\u201d He hung up, going, \u201cHe was a better-than-average interviewer.\u201d We had that; that\u2019s all we knew of each other.\n\nHe calls me one day in May; and he said, \u201cWe\u2019re thinking about starting a radio program. We need some help.\u201d I said, \u201cAre you looking for a consultant?\u201d He said, \u201cNo, we\u2019re looking for somebody full time.\u201d I said, \u201cYou want to move the ministry to San Antonio.\u201d He said, \u201cNo.\u201d I said, \u201cWell,\u201d\u2014I said\u2014\u201cwe\u2019re happy here. We like what we\u2019re doing.\u201d I said, \u201cI want to be open to whatever the Lord has, but I can\u2019t see us moving.\u201d\n\nWell, fast forward five months, God made it clear to Mary Ann and me this is where we were supposed to be. I remember sitting in a conference room with Dennis. Dennis said, \u201cI\u2019ve got a question to ask you; it\u2019s kind of a job interview.\u201d I\u2019m really thinking, \u201cI\u2019m not coming to Little Rock; I\u2019m staying in San Antonio.\u201d I wasn\u2019t treating it like a job interview\/like, \u201cI\u2019ve got to get the questions right.\u201d\n\nHe says, \u201cLet me ask you: \u2018Does marriage and family\/does it make you weep and pound the table?\u2019\u201d I thought, \u201cOkay; do I weep and pound the table about marriage and family?\u201d I said, \u201cHere\u2019s what makes me weep and pound the table. Theology makes me weep and pound the table: understanding God, understanding the Bible\u2014getting that right\u2014that makes me\/that\u2019s what keeps me up at night.\u201d I said, \u201cTo the extent that marriage and family is on the heart of God, then, yes, I am passionate about it.\u201d\n\nHere is what I didn\u2019t realize when he asked that question. I did not realize how much marriage and family is on the heart of God; Dennis did.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know if he understood it instinctively, or if he understood it from reading the Scriptures, or some combination\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014or if it\u2019s just his call.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014He knew that marriage and family is central to God\u2019s purposes for humankind being lived out and for human flourishing. I saw it as kind of an important thing but not as essential as he saw it.\n\nI remember, years later, looking at the Great Commandment in Matthew 22, where it says, \u201cThe greatest commandment is love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.\u201d I thought, \u201cThat\u2019s answer number one for me: \u2018What makes me weep and pound the table is theology\/knowing God.\u2019\u201d\n\n\u201cThe second is like unto it, love your neighbor as yourself.\u201d We always think about your neighbor being the next door person or the guy at church. What I realized, over the years, is I\u2019m married to my neighbor. My closest neighbor is my wife. My next closest neighbor is down the hall, my kids. Everything that the Bible has to say about how we get along with one another in the horizontal plane is really about marriage. So when the Bible says, \u201cBe kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another,\u201d that\u2019s a marriage verse.\n\nWhen the Bible says, \u201cEncourage one another\u201d\/when the Bible says, \u201cIf your brother is in need,\u201d those are marriage passages. I didn\u2019t see that as being as central as it was. So when I said, \u201cYes, we\u2019re coming to FamilyLife,\u201d in August of 1992, Dennis sent me a cassette album of him and Barbara teaching through <em>Building Your Mate\u2019s Self-Esteem<\/em>. The book had come out a few years before that.\n\nMary Ann and I and the kids\/we were headed on a family vacation to Colorado before I\u2019d even come here to start my first day of work. I take the cassette album; and we\u2019re listening to Dennis Rainey tapes. \u201cThis is my new boss; I\u2019ve got to do a radio show with this guy. I\u2019d better know what he is all about.\u201d Well, it was either tape 3 or tape 4 in that series on <em>Building Your Mate\u2019s Self-Esteem<\/em>, where he takes this little excursus and talks about the power of honoring your parents, which I\u2019m thinking, \u201cWhat does this have to do with your mate\u2019s self-esteem?\u201d He explains it has a lot to do with everything about your relationship; but I remember listening to this idea of honoring your parents and going, \u201cNobody is talking about that for adult kids.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We tell our little kids, \u201cHonor your mom and your dad\u201d; but Dennis\u2014I remember him saying, \u201cThere\u2019s no expiration date on the Fifth Commandment. It\u2019s not like you turn 21, and then you don\u2019t have to do that one anymore.\u201d\u2014I thought, \u201cThat\u2019s right!\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We remember hearing that for the first time, too. We kind of\/it stopped us.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We thought the same thing.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014so listen; here is him explaining how this became a life message for him. This is amazing.\n\n[Recorded Message]\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to venture back to the summer of 1966. I had just graduated from high school, and I stood on the white gravel chat driveway. My mom and dad were standing there; my mom seemed awfully small that day. I was saying goodbye to my parents as I was leaving for college.\n\nIt had to be God; He prompted me to look my mom and dad in the eye and tell them\u2014I think for the first time in my life\u2014\u201cI love you.\u201d I backed out of that driveway and headed out, and looked over my shoulder at my mom and dad standing there. It was an incredible moment. So much so, it took almost a decade later before I reflected on that and began to realize that I had been a neglectful son, assuming their love\/assuming their presence.\n\nSome years later\u2014in fact, a decade to be exact\u2014my dad died. I had spent those previous ten years in a very baby step way of attempting to honor my dad: let him know that I loved him, appreciated him, and just sought him out to let him know how much I cared about him.\n\nStill, as they summarized his life in a 30- to 35-minute ceremony, life didn\u2019t seem very fair: \u201cHow could you summarize such a great man\u2019s life in such a brief period of time?\u201d So I set about to write a tribute to my mom. I\u2019d like to say that I finished it that year in 1976; I didn\u2019t. It was 1982 before I finished my tribute to my mom. I sent that tribute to my mom instead of taking it to her and reading it to her. When she got it on a cold February day, she called me on the phone; and she said, \u201cIs this about your mean, old mom?! Is this about me?!\u201d I said, \u201cIt sure is, Mom.\u201d\n\nShe hung it right above where she had breakfast every day. She made the mailman read it, [Laughter] the repairman, the plumber. There were a lot of captive people, who had to ultimately read that tribute. Why is that?\u2014why?\u2014because parenting is hard work\/<em>really<\/em> hard work.\n\nWhy do you think God wants us to honor our parents? Well, I think, first of all, because honoring our parents is foundational to any nation or society.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Thinking back to the summer of 1992, and hearing Dennis for the first time talk about keeping the Fifth Commandment, even as an adult: \u201cThis needs to be talked about. I needed to hear it.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We all do.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I mean, I ended up getting the book\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014when Dennis ended up writing the book called <em>The Tribute<\/em>, at the time\u2014now called <em>The Forgotten Commandment<\/em>\u2014but I wrote a tribute to my mom. Just like Dennis\u2019s mom, she put it right there. I mean, I had given her a lot of gifts; that was the most precious gift she ever got.\n\nThank you, Dennis, for inspiring us to do it.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I ended up writing tributes to both of my mom and my dad. I put it in a scrapbook for their\u2014maybe, their 60<sup>th<\/sup> wedding anniversary\u2014but I had my brothers and my sister write in it, too, as well as all of their grandsons. I\u2019m telling you: I bet they went through it <em>hundreds<\/em> of times.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> They left it out on their coffee table, so everyone would look at it when they came in.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I would say to our listeners\u2014who weren\u2019t around in \u201992 or in the years when we\u2019ve talked about this\u2014this idea of honoring your parents, and you go: \u201cBut you don\u2019t know my parents,\u201d \u201cYou don\u2019t know my story.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Dennis\u2019s book is still available. Get a copy of <em>The Forgotten Commandment<\/em>. Read it, meditate on it, figure out how you can speak words of honor to your parents.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Pray about it.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Ask God, \u201cHow do I do this?\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The thing that I saw, over and over, again about Dennis is that, when it came to marriage and family, I was much more reactive; Dennis was much more intentional. He was purposeful about his marriage and family. I was kind of like, \u201cWell, I\u2019ll adjust.\u201d He came in with a game plan. I came in in the middle of the game and said, \u201cOkay;\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cwhat are we doing?\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cwhat are we doing?\u201d\u2014yes. \u201cWhat play should we call this time?\u201d His intentionality spoke volumes to me about the need, not just to be reactive, but as a husband\/as a father, to have a game plan: to know where you are going, to be purposeful, to be intentional.\n\nI don\u2019t know that I had that word assigned to it\u2014I don\u2019t know that intentionality was the word that I put to it immediately\u2014but I remember Dennis talking about the word that his kids would use to define him. That was the word; in fact, he shared this story at one point. This is kind of fun to listen to. Listen to him tell this.\n\n[Recorded Message]\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> A number of years ago, I had the privilege of watching my baseball team, the Cardinals, play in the World Series. [Audience response] Yes; alright! [Applause]\n\nUnfortunately, we weren\u2019t doing too well in this one day. I had my son there with me, Benjamin. The guy who had hosted us turned to me and Ben\u2014and he turned to Ben\u2014and he said, \u201cWhat one word would you use to describe your dad?\u201d\u00a0 I listened, and Ben said, \u201cOh, that\u2019s easy!\u2014intentional.\u201d [Laughter]\n\nI looked at my son; I said, \u201cSon, you come from better stock than that. You can do a better word than that; can\u2019t you?\u201d He goes, \u201cNo, Dad, that defines you. That\u2019s who you are. You are intentional as you\u2019ve raised us kids, as you\u2019ve loved Mom, as we go about our family. You are very intentional about what you do.\u201d\n\nThe next time our family got together, I got them all together; I said, \u201cNow, what do you all think about this word that Ben used to describe me?\u201d They all started nodding their heads, so I decided I had to learn to like it. [Laughter] Actually, it is a good word; because being intentional for the right thing can make a <em>huge<\/em> difference.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s a fun story; right?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But the point that it drives home is that intentionality matters. How much different would marriages and families be if husbands and wives would say: \u201cWe\u2019re going to be intentional about this. We\u2019re going to have a game plan. We know where we are going; we know what the goal is. We know what we are trying to accomplish in all of this.\u201d\n\nThat\u2019s not how we started our marriage. That\u2019s been an evolving process for me. I wish I could go back to the beginning and have that sense of purpose in year one; but just to have it dawn on me, and to have it start to creep into what our marriage and family has been, it\u2019s one of the ways Dennis has marked my life by making me more intentional.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It would be interesting to know what your kids would say\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014what word?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, what would it be for you?\u2014for us?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I had never even heard that concept about family until Dennis Rainey. I had heard it about our walks with God, but not about family. I think Dennis and Barbara have probably shaped us more than almost anything besides Jesus.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You go back to what you talked about earlier: marriage and family is <em>huge<\/em> in the plan of God.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want our single listeners to hear this, too: singleness is a gift from God\u2014in fact, we\u2019re going to hear more about that this week\u2014but most people are going to be called to marriage. This is central to God\u2019s design for humanity\/more central than we realized. If it\u2019s that important: \u201cBe intentional about what is important,\u201d which really goes to the last thing. This is something that you guys have talked about recently in your book, <em>No Perfect Parents<\/em>. You\u2019ve talked about the significance, the importance, the power of legacy.\n\nThat was a big word for Dennis. It\u2019s not a word that I came to FamilyLife focused on or thinking that much about. Yet, I began to realize\u2014as Dennis says, \u201cEverybody is leaving a legacy,\u201d\u2014it\u2019s not a question of whether you\u2019ll leave a legacy. The only question is: \u201cWhat legacy will you leave?\u201d That\u2019s when I started thinking, \u201cI better think more about this.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201cI better up my game.\u201d [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\nListen to what Dennis shares as he talks about the power\/the importance of our legacy.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I believe the family is a legacy factory. It is the incubator where relationships are forged and where the truths from one generation are passed down to another. It is the most powerful place where a legacy can be shaped and given to the next generation.\n\nThat\u2019s why I\u2019m afraid\u2014as we talk about legacy, the word that we instantly go to is inheritance\u2014we think about how much money we want to leave the next generation. I don\u2019t think that\u2019s the right question. Now, I don\u2019t think it\u2019s wrong to leave an inheritance to the next generation; the Proverb says, \u201cA good man leaves an inheritance to his children.\u201d But I think the most important legacies that are left are those in the heart: character, fun, memories, people who loved each other; and there were relationships that were meaningful; a life that was lived on purpose\/that had a sense of mission. I think those are important parts of our legacies today that we don\u2019t talk enough about.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s a big word. Dennis helped me\/he really did call me up to say, \u201cOkay; what\u2019s my legacy going to be?\u201d\n\nMichael Easley\u2014in <em>The Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series\u2014he said, \u201cYou know, most people aren\u2019t going to remember you; but your kids will. The question is: \u2018Are you making the deposits there you need to make? Are you investing where you need to invest? Are you leaving a godly legacy?\u2019\u201d The psalmist says, \u201cBehold, my heritage is beautiful.\u201d You can look back and say, \u201cI\u2019ve been given a great gift; I\u2019ve been given a heritage that is beautiful.\u201d\n\nWe leave legacies; we inherit heritage. I want my kids to be able to look back and say, \u201cMy heritage is a beautiful heritage.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; you know, as we\u2019ve been talking, Dennis inspired me\/us to think, \u201cLegacy.\u201d Bob Lepine has inspired us to think, \u201cLegacy.\u201d You guys have a legacy; we\u2019re part of it. Part of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is: \u201cWe hope to carry on that legacy\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cof life-changing legacies around the world that we could be spreading the Word of God and God\u2019s heart for family and helping, literally, change, maybe, ungodly legacies to godly legacies.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think that we\u2019re all hoping to point people to Jesus. Bob, you\u2019ve done that. You really have done that for 28 years, alongside Dennis, and Barbara, and Mary Ann. You guys have continually taken us back to the truth of God\u2019s Word and the importance of what a family is.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, you guys need to know how thrilling it is to know that, when you step away, things don\u2019t get different. The same focus, the same purpose, the same passion, the same goals are still in place.\n\nI ran relay races in track in high school.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I did, too.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> To know, when you hand off the baton, that the person who is running the next leg is running just as fast and just as hard as they can to run the race just like you were doing before them; and like the person before was doing before them.\n\nThat\u2019s what I\u2019m thrilled about as I think about the baton hand-off, and stepping out of the lane, and letting you guys run. I\u2019m just thrilled; it\u2019s going to go faster, and better, and farther than ever.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We\u2019re going to run as fast as we can, as scared as we are. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; exactly. I was thinking, \u201cThe thing that we all have in common is we are all pointing people to the same place\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cand that is Jesus and the hope and the help that He brings.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\nWell, I imagine there are a lot of listeners who, like me, are thinking today, \u201cDennis Rainey had a significant impact in my life, as well, over the decades that we all listened to him.\u201d I imagine some of those listeners would like to have a copy of this conversation we\u2019ve had today. We\u2019ve taken this week\u2019s conversations about \u201cThe 28 Lessons I\u2019ve Learned in 28 Years of Co-hosting <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u201d\/put those conversations on a flash drive, along with the original programs from which these lessons came\/what has been seminal in my life, helping me develop as a husband, a father, as a follower of Christ.\n\nWe\u2019re making that flash drive available this week to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners, who can make a donation to help extend the reach of this ministry. Your donations help us take <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> to more people, more often. You make this program possible in your community and for listeners all around the world\u2014hundreds of thousands of listeners every day\u2014who are being impacted with practical biblical help and hope on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\nRight now, we\u2019ve got some friends of the ministry, who have agreed that they will match every donation we receive, during the month of May, up to a total of $350,000. They are matching it dollar for dollar; so you make a $25 donation today, and we are able to withdraw $25 from the matching-gift fund they\u2019ve established. Whatever you do, we can withdraw an equal amount from that matching-gift fund. We\u2019re asking you to be as generous as you can be so that we can take full advantage of this matching-gift fund. It expires the last day of May.\n\nIt\u2019s important that we hear from you today, if possible. Along with the flash drive, we\u2019d also like to send you a couple of books from Aaron and Jamie Ivey\u2014books called <em>Complement<\/em>\u2014Aaron wrote a book to husbands; Jamie wrote a book to wives\u2014these books have the same title and the same chapter headings, just one is for men and one is for women. We\u2019ll send you the books and the flash drive when you make a donation.\n\nThen let me say a word to those of you, who are long-time <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners\u2014you\u2019re a regular listener to this program; you\u2019ve heard us talk about our monthly Legacy Partners, people who will donate $25 or $50 a month\/whatever the amount is\u2014to help provide the financial stability for this program on an ongoing basis. We could not do this without our Legacy Partners. If you\u2019re a long-time listener, let me challenge you to become a Legacy Partner today. 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