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That's the advice of authors Matt and Lisa Jacobson. Matt explains what it means to \"act like a man,\" and love and protect your wife and children in difficult times.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2021-04-27.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You may have a better-than-average marriage, but Matt Jacobson says that should not be the criteria by which you measure how well your marriage is doing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>We have to look at the Word of God as the standard for what\u2019s normal, but what we tend to do is we look at what we see as what\u2019s normal. What\u2019s common, even in the church, is not what is <em>normal<\/em> biblical Christianity. A normal Christian marriage is a beautiful, loving, open, giving, close, fun, enjoyable relationship! It\u2019s <em>rich,<\/em> and it\u2019s <em>good<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, April 27<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You\u2019ll find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. No matter where your marriage is today, it can be better tomorrow. We\u2019re going to talk today about things we can do to move our marriage in the right direction. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. We\u2019re doing a little love coaching this week.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I need some love coaching.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We all need a little love coaching; don\u2019t you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>We all do; I agree, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I remember\u2014and Mary Ann and I have talked about this\u2014when we got married, I loved <em>her<\/em> because she loved <em>me<\/em>. What I really loved was her loving <em>me<\/em>. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Absolutely!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Do you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>I understand exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I just liked being with her, because when she was loving me, I was like, \u201cYes, this is what I got married for! Just keep doing this, and our marriage will be happy.\u201d It was all about what I\u2019m getting out of love. That\u2019s why I think we need a little love coaching, because that\u2019s not the biblical understanding of love.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have some coaches, who are with us this week: Matt and Lisa Jacobson. Guys, welcome back to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Thank you!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Thank you. Good to be with you again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Matt and Lisa have written two books: one for wives called <em>100 Ways to Love Your Husband<\/em>; another for husbands called <em>100 Ways to Love Your Wife<\/em>. You wrote separate books. We\u2019ve talked about this already a little bit; but are we that different as men and women, that when it comes to how we love one another, we have to approach it differently? Does a wife need to think more masculine about what love is? Does a husband need to think more like a woman to understand how to love his wife?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Actually, there is a lot of writing about that out there, but what we find is that people in a marriage are individuals. You really have to seek out the individual that you\u2019re married with to understand what is desirable to them, what is fulfilling to them, what speaks to love to them as a person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe don\u2019t really think of it in terms of a gender issue: \u201cOh, I\u2019m a man; therefore, I need to be loved this way.\u201d No; \u201cI\u2019m Matt Jacobson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> \u201cThis is how I need to be loved,\u201d and \u201cThis is Lisa Jacobson over here; and I need to seek out and understand <em>her<\/em>\u2014her heart\u2014as a person, as an individual, as a woman.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Might there be things, Lisa, that a wife would read in <em>100 Ways to Love Your Husband<\/em> and she would go, \u201cI don\u2019t think that would work\u201d; and she\u2019d be right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Absolutely, yes. They\u2019re just ideas. It also gets you thinking about: \u201cWait a minute. What does my husband like?\u201d or \u201cWhat does make him feel loved?\u201d Most of the time that involves communication and conversation, ideally; but it also can happen through observation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, sometimes we look at it, and we do the\u2014\u201cThis is my love language,\u201d\u2014which is also a good way to think; but across the board, your husband or wife isn\u2019t going to be someone that: \u201cTouch!\u2014that\u2019s the only thing that says \u2018love\u2019 to me.\u201d I doubt it; I bet <em>all<\/em> of those things will contribute to you feeling loved.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo then, you have to get down to that <em>personal<\/em> way of: \u201cWhat does this person need from me, even in this season?\u201d Because I don\u2019t know about you guys, but we\u2019ve changed in seasons. At the beginning of our marriage, Matt was trying to love me. It was the first year of marriage; we lived in this little pink apartment. Do you remember this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>This is really funny, actually.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>I was pregnant\u2014so I was maybe a little irritable, not feeling that great\u2014kind of getting used to the whole sensation of pregnancy. Matt is intuitive, so he sensed that I wasn\u2019t super happy. He just started scrubbing floors and vacuuming. He even cleaned the toilet. He was just working, working, working. I\u2019m just sitting on the couch, getting madder.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You were getting angry that he was scrubbing the floors?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>I know; I know. Bear with me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Super-husband! I\u2019m knocking my brains out for weeks on end.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> And I\u2019m going, \u201cI am gonna lay down my life for this woman!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Could I see the hands of all of the listeners\u2014if you would get angry if your husband came home and said, \u201cI\u2019m going to scrub the floors tonight,\u201d\u2014would you raise your hand?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>I feel sheepish, but\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Well, it just depends on what my needs are at the time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Well, listen\u2014so I\u2019m exhausted; I am totally exhausted\u2014because truth is: running a house is <em>exhausting<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> It\u2019s good to know that, as a man. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnyway, so I\u2019m sitting on the couch, and I\u2019m looking at her. She\u2019s in the kitchen; she\u2019s working on the dishes, and she\u2019s just rubbing them <em>really<\/em> hard. [Laughter] She\u2019s getting madder and madder. I\u2019m going, \u201cWhat is her problem?\u201d because she\u2019s married to <em>super-husband<\/em>! [Laughter] And I said, \u201cOkay, so what\u2019s wrong?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Did you say it gently and lovingly like that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>I don\u2019t remember that part. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Maybe not super lovingly, maybe. The love was in my heart. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> But anyway, the flames\u2014the ones coming out of her eyes\u2014turned on me. She smashes down the plate on the counter\u2014it didn\u2019t shatter\u2014but she smashed it down; and she goes, \u201cI just want you to love me!\u201d [Laughter] I\u2019m going, \u201cOkay, you have <em>got<\/em> to be kidding me. I do!\u201d \u201cI don\u2019t care about all that stuff!\u201d I said, \u201cWhat do you mean? You don\u2019t care?\u201d \u201cNo, that\u2019s\u2026\u201d \u201cIt doesn\u2019t even matter?\u201d \u201cNo! It doesn\u2019t.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m going, \u201cWell, then, what am I supposed to be doing?!\u201d [Laughter] She goes, \u201cI just want you to want to be with me. I just\u2014how about you just take me out for a cup of coffee more than once in a blue moon? How about you just <em>desire<\/em> to be with me?\u201d And I\u2019m going, \u201cOh, wow. That\u2019s all it takes?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>I said, \u201cI can clean the floors; I can clean toilets. But nobody but <em>you<\/em> can take me out to coffee and hear what I\u2019m thinking.\u201d Especially, I was a new wife. I was in an apartment. We only had one car; so I wasn\u2019t really getting out, and I was just desperate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>You\u2019re lonely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>I was lonely. I didn\u2019t want to watch him clean my toilets. [Laughter] Now, later, that changed\u2014[Laughter]\u2014just to be clear\u2014because the seasons of life changed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That\u2019s the thing with women: you never know how to love them; they change\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> You\u2019ve got to change\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014every couple of hours!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Keeps it interesting; keeps it interesting.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It is exciting.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>What I hear you saying is we need to become experts [of] our spouse\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014not thinking that, \u201cOnce I know it, it\u2019s going to be the same forever,\u201d\u2014it may change in time and seasons.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>We also have to be careful about loving our spouse in the ways that say \u201clove\u201d to us; alright? If you\u2019re thinking that way, then what you\u2019re doing is you\u2019re kind of loving <em>yourself<\/em>; but you\u2019re not loving <em>her<\/em> in a way that says love to her. That\u2019s why it\u2019s important to become a <em>real<\/em> student of your spouse and understand what matters to them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Most of us have heard about Gary Chapman\u2019s <em>Five Love Languages<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You were doing acts of service; she was looking for quality time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When you had eight kids, under the age of eighteen, running around the house, acts of service was a priority; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Yes, it definitely got bumped up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Now, you\u2019re in a different season; because some of those kids are out of the house.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>They are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You still have some at home; but now, all of a sudden, the priorities are different. How you love one another shifts and changes; doesn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>It does. The main thing about loving your spouse is just being purposeful every day<em> to<\/em> love your spouse. It\u2019s not something that happens by itself. It\u2019s not something that happens just because your day is unfolding. It happens because you\u2019re purposeful about it. It\u2019s <em>not<\/em> rocket science. A normal biblical marriage\u2014I mean, how did the Book start?\u2014with two naked people running around in a garden.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Okay? I mean, God wrote the Book; alright? A normal Christian marriage is a beautiful, loving, open, giving, close, fun, enjoyable relationship! It\u2019s <em>rich<\/em>, and it\u2019s <em>good<\/em>; and it\u2019s something that just gives you a sense of belonging and a sense of purpose. That\u2019s <em>normal<\/em> biblical marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor every single couple\u2014I don\u2019t care where you are in this journey; it doesn\u2019t matter if you\u2019ve been married five or fifty years; it doesn\u2019t matter if you have a terrible marriage today; if doesn\u2019t even if you have an okay, functional marriage, or even a good marriage\u2014God has an <em>excellent<\/em> marriage for absolutely every single couple, who will look at the Word of God and say, \u201cI\u2019m going to yield my heart to what it says, and I\u2019m going to move forward according to the instructions that I find in it.\u201d A beautiful normal Christian marriage is <em>waiting<\/em> for every one of you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>As I listen to you, I\u2019m <em>inspired<\/em>; but I\u2019m imagining that wasn\u2019t always easy with eight kids that were close together. Did you ever <em>struggle<\/em> with this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Everything about life conspires against God\u2019s best\u2014absolutely everything\u2014even the good things, alright? Satan doesn\u2019t go out to the barnyard, pick something up off the ground, and say, \u201cHey, let me tempt you with this\u201d; right? He wants to take you down with the good things; alright?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKids\u2014that\u2019s part of the <em>goodness<\/em> of God\u2019s blessing on your life\u2014but in order to avoid the pitfalls of the struggle, even if you\u2019re a family with young kids, you have to understand something; and you have to yield your heart to it. God did not give you\u2014I\u2019m talking to the men right now\u2014he didn\u2019t give you a wife and children for you to look at them as equally competitive relative to the scale of priority. Your wife is your number-one priority, and you\u2019re loving your kids by loving your wife <em>well<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> If you can keep that understanding\/that priority in mind\u2014and you don\u2019t get it confused with all of the other things; and then, after the family, all the other noise in life\u2014recognize it doesn\u2019t matter what is in your life. If you keep the priority that God established: \u201cLove your wife like Christ loved the church,\u201d\u2014that central relationship and responsibility; you keep that in the forefront\u2014and you know, you work through the hard days; but everything falls into place. Remember, we <em>always<\/em> have time for our <em>real<\/em> priorities.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>I was just thinking back. Our fifth child had a massive stroke <em>in utero<\/em> and was born with severe, severe brain damage. It was devastating and unexpected. Nobody, to this day, knows why or what. She\u2019s still with us today, actually. She\u2019s a beautiful 19-year-old. When she was born, there was just a big scramble at the hospital, and all the experts\u2014everybody trying to figure out what happened\u2014and \u201cIs this little baby going to make it?\u201d and \u201cWhat about this poor little family?\u201d\u2014we had five kids, six and under\u2014\u201cWhat are they going to do?\u201d It was devastating.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe stress of that time was significant. I was at the hospital for most of the next two years, with her in the hospital off and on. The first six weeks, solidly, in the NICU. Matt was at home. He had just started a new company. That was when he started Loyal Publishing. The head of the hospital met with us one day. He met with us significantly over the next few weeks, just to kind of help us get our heads wrapped around what we were going to be dealing with. He told us, \u201cJust so you know, most marriages end up in divorce that have a little baby like this. The strain is too great.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was sobering to us. It helped us, even, to recommit to: \u201cOkay; whatever we\u2019re going to walk through, let\u2019s just do it <em>together<\/em>.\u201d What I was thinking about\u2014I was just remembering that drive\/one of those drives to the hospital; because I\u2019d come home on the weekends to visit my other little kids\u2014and we were driving back to the hospital. I stayed at the Ronald McDonald house there near the hospital. I was, of course, overtired and grieving, and all of that; and post-partum. I think I said to you something like, \u201cYou\u2019re not involved,\u201d because I felt like I was carrying the weight of this little baby. He just about drove off the road.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>I totally lost it. I started hitting the dashboard so hard and yelling. I was <em>so mad<\/em> because of the strain, and the stress, and the pain. I had lived at the hospital, too; you weren\u2019t there by yourself. You were a lot of the time; but I was living there as well, and back and forth with the kids at home. Thankfully, my mom quit her job and was looking after the kids and helping. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut the anger of that moment of her\u2014and it wasn\u2019t her perspective\u2014it was just in the moment of the stress, saying that I wasn\u2019t involved and that I wasn\u2019t engaged. I was <em>furious<\/em>! It was not a godly moment; I will say that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>You know, now, I look back and I think, \u201cOh, the strain he must have been under to try to keep this new business we had going, and take care of the kids at home, and take care of me\u201d; but I was so wrapped up in my own world and pain, you know, that I <em>wasn\u2019t<\/em> aware of that. We worked through it. We had a hard conversation. We were able to sob together, which we hadn\u2019t taken enough time, probably, to have done that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> Yes, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa:<\/strong> And to help see each other\u2019s pain, each in the unique way we were carrying it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt doesn\u2019t mean that you have a perfect marriage and never have hard moments or hard things. Even as life throws you these difficult moments, you can still walk together. You can still do it in love, and work through those hard things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>When you\u2019re walking through something like that, how do you love in a hundred ways? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>First off, I want to speak to the men. There\u2019s a verse in the Bible that says, \u201cAct like men\u201d; alright? Here\u2019s the thing: you\u2019re walking through this darkness\/this challenge together. Just in the case of our situation, I can tend to minimize hard things. It makes my wife <em>so<\/em> mad; but I go, \u201cHey, yes, it was tough; but we\u2019ll keep going. We\u2019ll get through.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things that we had to deal with was our daughter\u2019s heart stopped, or she stopped breathing multiple times every night. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Oh!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>I\u2019m going, \u201cYes, it\u2019s a tough season.\u201d Our energy is just going down. Every night, we have to wake up and get her going again\u2014shake her, and breathe in her face, move her head a little bit to get her started again\u2014and then go back to sleep. The monitor would go off again. Now, do that for 18 months; okay? Again, I kind of, early on, looked at it as, \u201cHey, it\u2019s not that bad. We\u2019re just going to keep going; we\u2019re going to keep going.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne day, because I had this way of being, Lisa goes, \u201cYes, well, how many times do you think the monitor went off last night?\u201d I said, \u201cI don\u2019t know; 15 maybe.\u201d She goes, \u201cYes, well, here\u2019s the printout.\u201d And it was 40 times.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014in one night.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>It was so brutal.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut what I want to say about this is: \u201cGuys, you are the one that gets to be the soldier in this circumstance,\u201d\u2014alright?\u2014\u201cYou have to look at this as the person who is principally responsible for carrying as much of the weight as you can in those days of challenge and those days of darkness.\u201d Stop patting yourself on the back to say, \u201cHey, I\u2019ve worked really hard.\u201d It doesn\u2019t matter; you\u2019re the man. The Bible says, \u201cAct like a man; conduct yourself like a man.\u201d We are called to nurture, love, cherish, and to lay down our lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s in those moments of darkness\u2014those moments of life\u2019s worst challenges\u2014where you get to walk that out. Don\u2019t you want God to say, \u201cYou know what? You did well, son?\u201d Don\u2019t think of it as: \u201cOh, you\u2019re having such a hard time.\u201d Your job is to protect, look after, and nurture your wife. You\u2019re walking through it together, but you get to carry the heaviest load.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Let me go to the phrases that are around that phrase that you mentioned\u2014\u201cAct like men,\u201d in 1 Corinthians 16\u2014because if a husband wants to love his wife, here\u2019s how you do it. First, \u201cBe on the alert,\u201d which means you\u2019re paying attention; your eyes are open. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re looking around and you\u2019re saying: \u201cWhat\u2019s going on here?\u201d and \u201cWhat do I need to be alert to?\u201d \u201cIs there danger?\u201d \u201cIs there need?\u201d \u201cHow can I\u2026\u201d You\u2019re alert; be on the alert.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201c\u2026stand firm in the faith\u201d is the next thing it says, which means you\u2019re anchored in: \u201cWe\u2019re going to live biblically. We\u2019re going to live according to God\u2019s Word,\u201d and \u201cI\u2019m going to start with that in my life, and then we\u2019re going to do it as a family.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cBe on the alert; stand firm in the faith.\u201d Then it says: \u201c\u2026act like men.\u201d Some translations will say, \u201c\u2026be courageous,\u201d which I think that <em>andr\u00edzomai<\/em> word that they use there, in the Greek, is a word that means men should be courageous; that\u2019s at the heart of masculinity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen it says, \u201c\u2026be strong.\u201d That\u2019s the next thing that you\u2019re saying:\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cYes, you\u2019re the soldier; so when everybody else is weak, you be strong.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, what\u2019s the last thing it says? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>The last one is: \u201cDo everything in love.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; \u201cLet everything you do be done in love.\u201d I think for a husband to say, \u201cOkay, I need to be alert; and I need to be anchored in God\u2019s Word; and I need to be courageous; and I need to be strong; but I need to make sure that, as I\u2019m doing that, everything is done in the context of love\/sacrifice for another person.\u201d That\u2019s a call to men for what loving your wife\/that\u2019s another passage that informs us what that\u2019s supposed to look like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I\u2019m super grateful that, as Dave and I have walked through some valleys and some dark places in our lives, Dave hasn\u2019t shouldered it alone. He\u2019s had other men that have partnered with him, that have prayed for him, that have really held him up at times and held his hands up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I think that\u2019s a big part of it as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>We were <em>never<\/em> intended to just be our strong little islands out there. We\u2019re to walk together. There\u2019s great strength. And we were upheld, certainly, in our dark days by the prayers of the saints. That\u2019s a super critical part of it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Lisa, what does it look like for you to love Matt?\u2014to really\u2014he\u2019s kind of given us this picture [of a man]\u2014what\u2019s a real woman do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>That\u2019s a good question as well. So for Matt, I think some of the categories for him are things like loyalty, respect, honor, and just that I\u2019m behind him. That speaks powerfully to him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me to communicate: \u201cI\u2019m behind you,\u201d when he\u2019s going into something, means a lot to him. Also, that \u201cI\u2019m beside you; we\u2019re doing this together.\u201d He\u2019s actually very together-oriented. He\u2019s a leader and a pastor, but he doesn\u2019t want to do it alone. He\u2019s not actually made to be that way, so I want to do all I can to let him know: \u201cYes, I\u2019m in this with you,\u201d\u2014even if I\u2019m not in that particular meeting\/even, he knows I\u2019m home, praying for him\u2014or maybe I\u2019ll send him a text just letting him know, \u201cMy heart is with you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Do all of you feel that? Is that important?\u2014that your wives are beside you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I think to know that she\u2019s beside you; but that she believes in you\/that she looks at you and says, \u201cI believe in the man God\u2019s called you to be, and I believe in what you\u2019re trying to do.\u201d That doesn\u2019t mean that she doesn\u2019t step in at times and say, \u201cThis doesn\u2019t seem wise to me.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Yes, absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s not blind belief, but for\u2014you\u2019ve described it as cheering on your husband\u2014is <em>huge<\/em> for us, as men, to know that we have somebody, who\u2019s cheering us on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Especially somebody that knows us well, because you can fake other people out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> That is so true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The congregation can come up to me and say, \u201cMan, I trust you. I\u2019ll follow you anywhere.\u201d I just sort of smile\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> Right, right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cThat\u2019s nice. You don\u2019t really know.\u201d But when my wife says that, it means <em>everything<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And at the end of a Sunday, when everybody says, \u201cThat sermon was great,\u201d whose opinion do you really care about?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>The woman sitting in the front row.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, that\u2019s right. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Absolutely; so true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there\u2019s so much <em>power<\/em> that a woman has that she probably doesn\u2019t realize in communicating to her husband what she believes he <em>could<\/em> be and <em>should<\/em> be. When I first say that, sometimes women say, \u201cWell, I\u2019m not going to tell him a lie; because that\u2019s not what he is right now,\u201d\u2014I know; I get that. But think about your children, if you\u2019re a mom; do you have any troubles communicating to your young son, \u201cHey, you\u2019re going to be a great man someday,\u201d or \u201cYou\u2019re a truth-teller, and I <em>love<\/em> that about you\u201d? A woman will say, \u201cOh, yes; oh, yes! I think that\u2019s so important and so impactful.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhy would it be any different in communicating that way to your husband? You actually are speaking truth and power into his life, even if he\u2019s not quite there yet; but you can see it in him, and it actually <em>brings<\/em> <em>out<\/em> that in him over time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, absolutely. I just am grateful for the way that you guys, again, practically press these truths home in the books you\u2019ve written. I would hope our listeners would give each other copies of these books. For a wife to say to her husband, \u201cHere, here\u2019s a book that tells you how you can\u2026\u201d And maybe she goes through it before she gives it to him, and she just folds back a few of the pages; right? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>I\u2019ve heard of that! Or write little notes, like, \u201cThis is a good one!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That\u2019s a good idea.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, and the husband can do the same thing with his wife; and then just\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes, I\u2019ve already done it, Bob. [Laughter] \u201cHoney, read that tonight.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Good; I did it, too. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We have copies of Matt and Lisa\u2019s books, <em>100 Ways to Love Your Husband<\/em>; <em>100 Ways to Love Your Wife<\/em>. They\u2019re in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGuys, thank you for being here and for sharing all of this with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>It\u2019s been <em>awesome<\/em> to be with you guys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Thanks so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know, I have to think couples, who have been listening to our conversation this week, are thinking, \u201cYou know, we could use a little practice in terms of how we apply some of what\u2019s been talked about\u201d; because it\u2019s been a stressful season for our country and, I think, for a lot of marriages. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith everything that\u2019s been going on, we\u2019re going to make your books available to any of our listeners, who would like to get a copy, and can help support the ministry of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> with a donation. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com; make whatever donation you are able to make; and request your copies of Matt and Lisa Jacobson\u2019s books, <em>100 Ways to Love Your Husband<\/em>; <em>100 Ways to Love Your Wife<\/em>. We\u2019ll send them to you as a thank-you gift for your support of this ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKeep in mind your investment is really an investment in the lives, and the marriages, and the families of, not only fellow listeners in your community, but people all around the world, who are coming to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014listening to this program as a podcast, streaming it on the app, listening to it on the local radio station\u2014they\u2019re benefitting from our website, our resources, our events. People who are looking for help and hope are coming to us, and <em>you<\/em> are making the help and hope possible as you support this ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThank you, in advance, for whatever donation you are able to make. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to donate, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a donation. Again, we\u2019ll be happy to send you, upon your request, copies of Matt and Lisa Jacobson\u2019s books, <em>100 Ways to Love Your Husband<\/em>; <em>100 Ways to Love Your Wife<\/em>. Again, request it when you make a donation, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call to donate: 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, if you are looking for additional resources to help you strengthen your marriage relationship\/build a stronger bond of love with one another, check out the resources we have atFamilyLifeToday.com. There\u2019s a video series from Dave and Ann Wilson called <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> that you can go through with other couples. There\u2019s the <em>Love Like You Mean It <\/em>video series that takes you through 1 Corinthians 13, applying that to marriage. There\u2019s the <em>Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>video series. We\u2019ve got a lot of resources, all designed to help you connect with other couples and build a stronger marriage. Again, find out more when you go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to talk about the difference between how the culture views intimacy and sexuality and what the Bible has to say about that subject. Christopher Yuan is going to join us to talk about <em>Holy Sexuality <\/em>tomorrow. I hope you can be with us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch. He got some extra help this week from Bruce Goff and, of course, our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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