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Here is coworker, Bruce Goff, sharing a story and a meal with his two-year-old daughter, Estelle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> So we were eating dinner, and Estelle was having French fries and chicken nuggets. I think I initiated it, saying, \u201cHey, Estelle, can you share a French fry with Mommy?\u201d She goes, \u201cNo, mine,\u201d\u2014[Laughter]\u2014which we discussed; I don\u2019t remember ever teaching her the word, \u201cmine\u201d;\u2014[Laughter]\u2014but she\u2019s got it. I said to her, \u201cEstelle, you need to be kind and share.\u201d Estelle looks down at her fries, and she is looking so intently. She finds just this little nub. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014the smallest. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> We\u2019re going to talk about teaching character to every age. We\u2019re also going to discuss some of those harder parenting questions. Bruce Goff and Bob Lepine join me for this edition of <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I\u2019m Michelle Hill. The cofounder of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> is Dennis Rainey, and my <em>favorite<\/em> leader at FamilyLife is Bob Lepine. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There\u2019s a\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Oh, wait; wait. Bob\u2019s here? [Laughter] He\u2019s in the studio with me, or is that just his laugh? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> There\u2019s a reason why you said that. That has never been said on a <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em> program until today. [Laughter] I\u2019m just\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> The first ever. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014a little suspicious of that sentiment, but it\u2019s lovely to be here with you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Thank you, Bob. I\u2019ve got you in the hot seat, and I\u2019ve decided that you\u2019re going to be our old dad today;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014and joining us, also, is Bruce Goff. He is the young dad today. Bruce is producer, here, at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> and also married to Maria. They have a beautiful, little two-year-old, Estelle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And we go to church together\u2014Bruce and I do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Oh, that\u2019s right! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So you know each other? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> A little bit; yes. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Okay; so we\u2019re talking about parenting today. We\u2019ve been talking about parenting last week, and we\u2019re going to kind of carry it on through because FamilyLife has a big initiative that\u2019s happening. Bob, I think you are a part of this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I have spent the better part of the last two years involved in helping to create an eight-part video series called FamilyLife\u2019s <em>Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. Connected with that is a movie\/a theatrical movie that Alex and Stephen Kendrick, the Kendrick brothers, helped us with. This is a story of a family, from pre-marriage to their 50<sup>th<\/sup> wedding anniversary, and all the parenting journeys that people go on in the midst of that 50-year period. That movie is going to be in theaters May 1<sup>st<\/sup> and May 3<sup>rd<\/sup>. It\u2019s coming up; it\u2019s a Tuesday night and a Thursday night. It\u2019s only there those two nights. In fact, I went online today. I bought ten tickets\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014for our small group. We\u2019re all going together on the\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Very cool. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014Thursday night showing. If folks would like more information about the <em>Like Arrows<\/em> movie, they can go to LikeArrowsMovie.com; or if they\u2019d like more information about the <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>, I guess come to FamilyLifeThisWeek.com, and there are links there for all of this; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It\u2019s an excellent movie. I loved it; I bawled like a baby. Just be aware; take tissues <em>with<\/em> you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve had people report to us that it\u2019s emotionally moving. We hoped it would be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So tell us about <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> We think of the movie, <em>Like Arrows<\/em>, as Session 0 for the <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>. You watch the movie first; and it, hopefully, opens your heart. You can see yourself in there. You can say, \u201cYou know, we could use some help and some training. We could use some equipping.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Art of Parenting<\/em>\u2014we got together more than a dozen experts\u2014Dennis and Barbara Rainey give leadership to the whole thing; but people like Alistair Begg, and Bryan and Korie Loritts, and Kevin DeYoung, and Dr. Meg Meeker, Tim and Darcy Kimmel\u2014just a whole group of folks who contributed to this. We wanted to get back to the core biblical distinctives that set Christian parenting apart from just raising healthy, happy, young people into adulthood. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Well, I know that there is a session in the <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>, where Dennis Rainey talks about when he first held Ashley, who is his oldest. He turns her over, and he is looking for the instruction manual; and there is <em>none<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> He\u2019s like, \u201cUh, so what do I do now?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBruce tell us about the first time you held Estelle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes, I can remember taking her\u2014we had a home birth\u2014and the midwife handed her to me and said, \u201cWhy don\u2019t you take a walk and go to the drier and get a warm towel?\u201d I\u2019m walking down the hall with a minute-old baby\/I mean, minutes-old baby. Yes; I don\u2019t want necessarily someone telling me\u2014like, \u201cBruce, this is what you <em>have<\/em> to do,\u201d\u2014but I\u2019m totally open to people saying, \u201cI think this is what you should do.\u201d Specifics are <em>great<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So did you feel equipped? I mean, throughout the pregnancy\u2014and then, all of a sudden, holding this child\u2014did you feel equipped as a dad? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> I felt equipped in the sense that I knew I loved this little girl. She had a mom and a dad, and I had a good upbringing. I had a <em>general<\/em> idea that she\u2019d be alright; but when it comes to specifics, I want someone to tell me: \u201cWhen do I start spanking?\u201d \u201cWhen do I start feeding her this?\u201d\u2014I need specifics; I want some help\u2014it\u2019s something I <em>want<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, all of us have the desire\u2014and we have the basics in place\u2014but this is a living human being we\u2019re talking about. This is somebody whose life has been entrusted to us to help mold and shape, and there is a love for our children that is unparalleled in terms of human affection. We pour everything into this; so to get whatever help we can get, I think that\u2019s just wise and prudent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I\u2019m hoping is\u2014people go through FamilyLife\u2019s <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>\u2014they\u2019re not going to get a recipe; they\u2019re not going to get\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014it\u2019s not a formula. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014maybe, what you are looking for: \u201cStart spanking on Day 132,\u201d and \u201cStart feeding on the\u2026\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> I want a game plan: show me, and I\u2019ll just follow it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know what? Everybody wants that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And here is what they\u2019re thinking, \u201cIf I just follow the recipe\/what I really want is: I want to make sure that this child turns out okay, so give me the recipe. I\u2019ll do everything I can, because that matters more to me than anything else.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, the point is there is not a recipe that makes that work. Children are actual human beings themselves; they make their own choices. But there are things we can do to help nurture, and shape, and mold our children. It\u2019s really an art; it\u2019s not a science. It\u2019s something, where you have to know your child\u2014his or her temperament; you have to know how God wired them; you have to know what the Bible teaches\u2014and then you have to have some adaptability, and flexibility, and intentionality, as a parent, in order to help guide that child. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> So having the right heart\u2014but being totally misguided\u2014Estelle was about six-weeks-old. I\u2019m already thinking, \u201cShe\u2019s just going to cry, because she wants attention or something; so I don\u2019t want to <em>feed<\/em> that,\u201d\u2014right?\u2014\u201cLet\u2019s not give her all the attention just because she wants it.\u201d She is six-weeks-old. Maria and I are in her room, getting things ready for a trip; and she was out on the couch. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe starts crying; and I\u2019m like, \u201cJust leave her; let her cry. She is just looking for attention.\u201d Then we go out; and she had rolled off the couch and landed on the floor, and she is six-weeks-old. She\u2019s not <em>trying<\/em> to get attention. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> She\u2019s trying to let you know\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> \u2014when she cries, she needs something. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But you\u2019ve learned over time\u2014you and Maria\u2014you can tell the difference in Estelle\u2019s cry\u2014from a cry that says, \u201cI\u2019m not getting my way,\u201d and a cry that says, \u201cThere\u2019s something really wrong with me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Oh, yes; and like you said, that\u2019s an art. Someone couldn\u2019t have written that down in a book; and I couldn\u2019t have gone, \u201cOkay; that\u2019s what a cry for attention is; and that\u2019s what a\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We don\u2019t have audio samples to play for you. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Did you feel <em>awful<\/em> afterwards, Dad? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes, yes. It was a lesson learned, and there\u2019s many more to be learned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Now, if our kids were here, they would tell you about the time that our son, Jimmy, broke a finger; and he\u2019d been at football practice. He came home and said, \u201cMy finger hurts.\u201d Mary Ann is just like, \u201cTape it together with something.\u201d [Laughter] It was like four weeks later; we finally got an x-ray: \u201cOh, it\u2019s broken!\u201d He reminds us to this day\u2014he\u2019s now approaching 30\u2014and he reminds us to this day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u201cThis crooked finger is because Mom and Dad didn\u2019t believe me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cThis is all because you <em>ignored<\/em> my pain.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Well, last night, I was at Bible study; and there was a gal who came in late. She just looked totally disheveled. She said to each of us, \u201cI am late; I am so sorry.\u201d The two-year-old and the four-year-old boys got ahold of their teen sister\u2019s lipstick. By the time she found out about it, the lipstick was all over the carpet, in the boys\u2019 bedroom, and I think also in the teen girl\u2019s bedroom. She had to clean it up before she could come to Bible study. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe was just like, \u201cOh, I am so tired of having to correct these boys. I\u2019m so tired of having to say, \u2018No,\u2019\u201d\u2014just the monotony of changing diapers, and correcting, and doing all of that type of stuff. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> She\u2019s just at the start of this: \u201cYou\u2019re going to be do this, ma\u2019am, for the next decade-plus.\u201d [Laughter] It is daily; it is exhausting, and parents think, \u201cShouldn\u2019t this be fixed by now?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The answer is: \u201cNo.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou look at 2 Timothy 3; and it says, \u201cScripture is inspired, and it is profitable for instruction, for correction, for reproof, for training in righteousness that the man of God may be complete.\u201d Well, do we need constant ongoing training and reproof and instruction, as believers?\u2014of course, we do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes, we do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And your kids are going to need ongoing instruction, correction, reproof, and training; and it\u2019s going to take years\/decades before they are complete in Christ. So, yes, you just have to stay with it as a parent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Keep going and continuing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, a verse I know you and Maria have seen a little bit of hope in that constant correction and training with Estelle\u2014because there was a French fries incident that you guys had not too long ago; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes; so we were eating dinner. Estelle was having French fries and chicken nuggets. I think I initiated it, saying, \u201cHey, Estelle, can you share a French fry with Mommy?\u201d She goes, \u201cNo, mine,\u201d\u2014[Laughter]\u2014which we discussed; I don\u2019t remember ever teaching her the word, \u201cmine\u201d;\u2014[Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> \u2014but she\u2019s got it. I said to her, \u201cEstelle, you need to be kind and share.\u201d Maria asked her, and Estelle looks down at her fries. She\u2019s starting to think about it; she\u2019s looking so intently. She finds just this little nub\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014the smallest. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> \u2014hands her the little nub. Maria is like, \u201cThank you.\u201d Then, as the dinner went on, she would, unprompted, be like, \u201cMommy, fry?\u201d She would dip it in ketchup for her, and it was a big one. Then she even offered a chicken nugget. We weren\u2019t even prompting this anymore. I was very pleased with her and her growth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let me say two things about that. First, all children are born selfish. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Unless we teach them how to be other-centered, they will remain self-centered. A part of our job, as parents, is to <em>break<\/em> the cycle of self-centeredness and teach them to be others-centered. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, ultimately, you want that to come from the heart\u2014that takes a work of God\u2014but you can correct behavior, as a parent, and say, \u201cHere\u2019s how we\u2019re going to live. We\u2019re going to think of others, and put others first, and help others, and be kind to others.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAfter a while, she was playing a game; this was fun for her. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We used to do this with our kids when they were little. I would come home; and I would say, \u201cJohn, you sit over there, and you wait there. In a minute, I\u2019m going to say, \u2018John, would you come here please?\u2019 When I do, I want you to jump up and say, \u2018Yes, Daddy,\u2019 and I want you to run over here.\u201d He\u2019s thinking we\u2019re playing a <em>great<\/em> game. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right; it\u2019s a fun thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What I\u2019m doing is\/I am teaching him: \u201cHere is how life works.\u201d I think parents just have to be intentional and purposeful to say, \u201cThese are things we want to train into our kids: \u2018Here\u2019s how you meet somebody; here is how you shake somebody\u2019s hand,\u201d \u201cHere\u2019s how you look at them and speak to them,\u201d\u2014this is all training\u2014\u201cHere is the napkin you use,\u201d \u201cHere is the fork that gets used,\u201d \u201cHere is how you say, \u2018Please,\u2019 and \u2018Thank you.\u2019\u201d All of this is built. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, there is a scene in the movie, <em>Like Arrows<\/em>\u2014you remember it\u2014where one of the kids is bad-mannered at the table while the other child is polite at the table. The mom is kind of like, \u201cHow did you get your kid to do that?\u201d The other mom says, \u201cThere\u2019s no child who is going to say \u2018Please,\u2019 and \u2018Thank you,\u2019 on their own. They have to be taught these things.\u201d That\u2019s our job as parents. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So how early on are you forming character in your child? I mean, because when they are like a minute old, that\u2019s too early; but then also, you can tell that Bruce and Maria have been working with their two-year-old. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; so I think you can start to see self-centeredness in a child in the early months. You can start to see. Parents would go, \u201cNo, they are just responding to their environment. They are just\u2026\u201d\u2014it\u2019s whatever their needs are. Well, keep in mind: the heart of your child is focused on self. No child wakes up in the middle of the night and says, \u201cYou know, I\u2019m uncomfortable with my diaper; but Mom had a terrible day today. I\u2019m just going to let her sleep.\u201d [Laughter] No; when a child wakes up in the middle of the night, that child goes, \u201cI want my need met <em>immediately<\/em>.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Exactly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You do have to say, \u201cYou\u2019re a part of the family. You fit in; you don\u2019t get everything immediately as soon as you whimper, or fuss, or cry.\u201d You can start training before the child can speak. In fact, with our kids, Mary Ann had them learning sign language to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d before they could say the words. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Okay; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So touching the mouth, and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It\u2019s a great idea. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and they were able to do it at seven-months\/eight-months-old. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Well, we need to take a break. This is such a great discussion; Bruce and Bob, can you stick around for a little while? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I can\u2019t. I\u2019m sorry; I\u2019ve got to leave. Can you take care of this? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Sure; sure; I\u2019ll handle it from here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Wrong answer! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Alright; I\u2019ll stay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Wrong answer, because I have a <em>great<\/em> question for both of you; but our audience\/our listeners are going to have to figure out what that is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019ll tell the Uber to wait. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Okay; thanks. We\u2019ll be back in two minutes. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Radio Station Break]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Welcome back to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I\u2019m Michelle Hill. I am joined by Bob Lepine and Bruce Goff in the studio today. Thanks, again, guys for carving out some time and for pausing the Uber for a little bit, Bob. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The old dog and the new dog\u2014we\u2019re here; aren\u2019t we?\u2014give it up, [Bruce] dog. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Okay; Bruce, I know you had a quick question for Bob concerning discipline; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes; real simple\/real quick: \u201cJust when is the right time to start disciplining?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> How old is Estelle? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> She\u2019s a little over two. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So can you tell, in her, that there are times when she is intentionally\/actively being disobedient? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Oh, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay; so as soon as you can see it, you start, first, asking this question: \u201cHas she been well-instructed? Is she doing something that she knows she ought not do?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSometimes, parents are disciplining kids for things that they\u2019ve never taught them not to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo you have to start off and say, \u201cHave we taught her not to do this?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s check number one. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, \u201cHave we <em>corrected<\/em> her when we\u2019ve seen her do this?\u201d\u2014so have we gone to her and said, \u201cYou know, Mom and Dad said, \u2018No, we don\u2019t do this. No, no\u2019\u201d?\u2014she looks up at you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, you\u2019ve done the instruction; the correction is there. Then the next thing would be the reproving. This is where you bring a measured amount of pain to apply toward that correction, because your admonition is not carrying enough weight. She needs to feel a consequence for this. Now, that may be a little swat on the wrist or a little swat on the fatty part of the thigh. You have to have some kind of way to bring some pain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSome parents will say: \u201cI\u2019m going to remove them from the fun,\u201d or \u201cI\u2019m going to try to distract them.\u201d I think distracting is an okay tactic; but ultimately, you have to get back to a child, at two, saying, \u201cI know this is wrong, and I still want to do it,\u201d and \u201cI don\u2019t care what Mom and Dad think.\u201d You say, \u201cWell, they are not conscious.\u201d Oh, that\u2019s in their heart; so you have to come along and say, \u201cNo,\u201d clearly; and then when they say, \u201cI\u2019m still going to do it,\u201d you have to deter them with a measured amount of pain. I don\u2019t think [they\u2019re] too young. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, here would be an example of what we had: a child is at the dinner table. Before they can speak, they\u2019ve got a plate of spaghetti; and they lift up the plate of spaghetti. Mary Ann looks at him and says, \u201cYou need to put the plate of spaghetti down.\u201d They look back, they look at the spaghetti, and they look back. Then they just tip it over on the floor. Now, you would say, \u201cWell, that child doesn\u2019t know what they are doing.\u201d I would say, \u201cNo; I think they know, \u2018I\u2019m going to do what I want to do.\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou come along; you teach, \u201cNo, we don\u2019t do that.\u201d You correct: \u201cYou\u2019re going to help Mommy pick this up.\u201d This is an eight-month-old; somehow, you get\u2014and then you come back around and a little swat on the hand\u2014\u201cNo, no.\u201d They cry, and they pout out for a minute; but they are getting the message: \u201cI don\u2019t want...\u201d The next time, when they lift that up, and you just slap your own wrist, \u201cNo, no,\u201d they\u2019ll put it back down. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> So a scenario that often happens\u2014or has happened\u2014is she won\u2019t swallow her food. She\u2019s just got it in her mouth: \u201cEstelle, you need to eat your food.\u201d We\u2019ll do the little pop. Then it just seems to escalate, and then she is hysterical. Then we feel like, \u201cWe just need to get her to eat this.\u201d Then we feel like, \u201cDid we just lose? Did she just win?\u201d I mean, do you keep popping until she\u2019s swallows? It seems like there has got to be a point, at which you say, \u201cThis isn\u2019t helping in this moment right now.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I would say, as a mom and a dad, \u201cGod will give you insight in that moment to know, \u2018How should we respond in this moment?\u2019\u201d But here is what I would say you can do proactively. Before you put the food down, you say, \u201cWe\u2019re going to give you your plate of chicken nuggets. When you bite it, you need to chew it and swallow it. Do you understand?\u201d You take a little bite and chew. \u201cNow, you see, I <em>swallow<\/em>. That\u2019s what you\u2019re going to do.\u201d You make sure you\u2019re doing that kind of instruction rather than just putting it in front; because your child may not remember from the last time, \u201cOh, yes, that\u2019s what I\u2019m supposed to do.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think parents drop the ball on instruction; because they think: \u201cI\u2019ve told them this once,\u201d \u201cI\u2019ve told them this twice.\u201d You tell them every day, over and over again; that is part of the job. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes; we\u2019ve remarked before: \u201cShe doesn\u2019t know <em>anything<\/em>. [Laughter]<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> \u201cBeans don\u2019t go on your head,\u201d but she doesn\u2019t know that! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> She\u2019s got to try it out; she\u2019s got to try it out some way. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, Bob, you have five kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> They are all starting their families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; they are all married, and we have six grandchildren. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Okay; so help us understand, by maybe putting yourself in their shoes\u2014or even in Bruce\u2019s shoes\u2014what are some rookie mistakes that young parents make? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> For me\/for us, I think the biggest mistake we made, early on\u2014and this is easy to do\u2014is for your child to be the center of the home and for you to quickly\/easily fall into: \u201cYou are the most important person and thing here.\u201d I mean, when you bring home a baby, you\u2019re in love with them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> They\u2019re cute. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Of course! So everything is\u2014you are looking at the baby\u2014\u201cYou\u2019re so cute\u201d; the friends come over. From birth, this child is getting this message: \u201cI\u2019m a pretty big deal. I\u2019m pretty stinkin\u2019 important around here. Everybody, who comes in, just oohs and ahs over me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We have to recognize that we have to say to our kids, \u201cYou are a part of a family, and you\u2019re going to fit in here. You are important, but you\u2019re not <em>the<\/em> most important thing here. You\u2019re not <em>the<\/em> most important person.\u201d Don\u2019t make your home child-centered. In fact, make sure your marriage is stronger than your relationship with your kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s a good point. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s important. Make sure the child understands: \u201cThe world doesn\u2019t revolve around me. Our world revolves around God, and we\u2019re all here to do what He wants us to do, not to get our own way.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes; okay. Switching gears just a little bit here\u2014identity\u2014identity is such a huge topic these days. It\u2019s huge in our culture right now, and there are a lot of counterfeit identities. How soon should we be teaching our kids about identity? I mean, Bruce and Maria: should they be teaching Estelle about her identity at two years old?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh, I think so. When Amy was little\u2014our oldest\u2014when she was little, before she could speak\u2014and I would hold her, and rock her, and have her on my knees\u2014I would just look at her and say, \u201cYou know, you\u2019re a sinner.\u201d Part of this\u2014she would coo and smile when I would say that\u2014right?\u2014I wasn\u2019t\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Poor thing. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014doing it to rob her of self-esteem. I was doing it as much for me\/to remind <em>me<\/em> of what is true and just to make sure that we had a proper biblical framework. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYour child needs to know\u2014spiritually, two things are very important\u2014number one: \u201cI am loved deeply and passionately by the God who made me. I\u2019m created in His image\u2014higher than the animals\/higher than everything else\u2014I\u2019m a unique image bearer of God, and there is great dignity that comes with that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Secondly] \u201cI am also a rebellious sinner, and my natural inclination and my natural approach in life is to want to do my thing rather than do God\u2019s thing.\u201d They need to understand: \u201cMy sin is deeper than I realize it is, and God\u2019s love for me is deeper than I understand it is.\u201d You teach that differently to an eight-month-old than you will to an eight-year-old, but it\u2019s a part of what\u2019s the ongoing training going on in the home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith a two-year-old, you keep pointing them to the fact that: \u201cGod made you, and God <em>loves<\/em> you.\u201d You teach these lessons over and over again, because this is a part of their identity. Then you teach them: \u201cYou are selfish; and Mommy is selfish, too\u2014and Daddy\u2014and we have this struggle that we have to deal with that is our own selfishness; but we need Jesus to help us with that.\u201d These are lessons you can start teaching to a one-year-old\/to a two-year-old and have that on repeat in your home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJessica Thompson, who is one of the contributors in FamilyLife\u2019s <em>Art of Parenting<\/em> video series\u2014says, in her parenting\u2014she said, \u201cOn repeat in our house is: \u2018I\u2019m a sinner just like you,\u2019 \u2018I\u2019m a sinner just like you.\u2019\u201d She said, \u201cWe would say that to our boys as we were raising them just so that they would remember, \u2018We don\u2019t think we\u2019re up here, spiritually mature; and you\u2019re down here, the wicked, bad person,\u2019\u201d\u2014no\u2014\u201c\u2019I\u2019m a sinner just like you. I struggle with this stuff just like you do.\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can start driving that home with your child\/say, \u201cWe\u2019ve all got the same predicament, and we\u2019ve all got the same solution; and it\u2019s Jesus.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> As a parent, what is it like when, all of a sudden, that clicks?\u2014to watch that click in your child\u2019s brain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, it clicks; and it unclicks. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let\u2019s just be clear. It\u2019s one of those things that your child gets one day and doesn\u2019t get the next day; but as you start to see your children\u2014think of Bruce\u2019s example\u2014when Estelle wants to start sharing her French fries with Mommy, that\u2019s a great moment; because that says, \u201cShe\u2019s getting it.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know that, not only for her success in the world, but just for her relationship with God, she\u2019s going to need to understand that we value God and others ahead of ourselves. Jesus has told us that the Great Commandment is to love God and love others. As she starts doing those things, and you see her delighting in that and joy coming from that\u20143 John 4 says, \u201cI have no greater joy than to know that my children are walking in the truth,\u201d\u2014when your kids are walking in the truth, it\u2019s like, \u201cYes!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> We had a moment, a little while back, where it clicked for Estelle; I had never heard her use this word before. We were reading through the Bible; and I said, \u201cSo, Estelle, we need to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.\u201d She goes, \u201cOh! Gotcha!\u201d [Laughter] \u201cOkay; well, we\u2019ve settled that; moving on\u2026\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s good; that\u2019s cute. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, we have run out of time; I am <em>so sorry<\/em> because this has been <em>a lot<\/em> of fun. Bob and Bruce, thank you so much for joining me and for Bob playing the old man and Bruce playing the young man. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Can I put in one more plug for May 1<sup>st<\/sup> and 3<sup>rd<\/sup>? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes; please do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> <em>Like Arrows<\/em> in theaters May 1<sup>st<\/sup> and 3<sup>rd<\/sup>, two nights only. I hope all of our listeners will come out and join us\u2014800-plus theaters across the country\u2014go to LikeArrowsMovie.com for information about where it\u2019s going to be in a theater near you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Of course, we\u2019re going to have information on our website for <em>Like Arrows<\/em> and also <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>. Go to FamilyLifeThisWeek.com; that\u2019s FamilyLifeThisWeek.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, next week, we are going to sing. There are some benefits to singing to you and to your kids. We\u2019re going to hear from Jason Houser and from Jenny Owens. I hope you can join us for that. Thanks for listening. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA big \u201cThank you!\u201d to the team today who make me sound so good; and that is Keith, and Megan, and Phil, and Marques, and James. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur program is a production of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> in Little Rock, Arkansas; and our mission is to effectively develop godly families who change the world one home at a time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m Michelle Hill, inviting you to join us, again, next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife This Week.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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