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But when we hit conflict, it\u2019s terrible and it\u2019s toxic. In the earlier days\u2014I would say the first 12 years\u2014it was probably 10 days a month was toxic conflict.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, April 22<sup>nd<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Having conflict in marriage does not mean your marriage is bad or there\u2019s something wrong. It means you need to learn how to resolve conflict\/what the Bible says about that. We\u2019ll talk with Matt and Sarah Hammitt about that today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I don\u2019t know how many of our listeners realize this, but Dave and I have something in common. Both of us\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>We have a lot of things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We do have a lot of things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Oh, this is going to be good. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know where you\u2019re going.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We were both, in high school, in bands; weren\u2019t we? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>You\u2019re right!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You were in a band in high school.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes, I was in the Daydreamers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I was in\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And then we called ourselves the Four-Man Midnight band. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Hey, you guys are the <em>coolest<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I was in\u2014our band was called Ambrosia [Laughter], until there was an Ambrosia, and then we had to pull off of that; right? [Laughter] We were Ambrosia: \u201cMusic like the food of the gods.\u201d Because that\u2019s what ambrosia is: the food of the gods. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen we pivoted, and we became Flat River Junction during the country rock years; you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Oh, that\u2019s good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Flat River Junction was our band name. Then we started doing covers of \u201950s and \u201960s, and we became the Echoes. I wanted us to be The Original Artists, because I wanted to put out a cover record by The Original Artists and have people think it was the original art\u2014when we\u2014anyway, you get how all of that goes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>You were, I\u2019m guessing, the lead singer?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I was the lead singer\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>You were the front man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014and played guitar occasionally. But sometimes just went full Mick Jagger on the thing, and just was there with my microphone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I\u2019m just going to confess that Dave is three years older than me, so his band played at my middle school\u2014whatever it was\u2014dance. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That might have been the highlight of our career right there, middle school dance! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I\u2019m telling you\u2014I thought, \u201cHe is the hottest, coolest guy I\u2019ve ever seen in my life.\u201d [Laughter] I don\u2019t think I\u2019ve ever told you that, actually, because you already knew it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That\u2019s the first I\u2019ve ever heard that. I\u2019m going to put on that jacket and see what happens. [Laughter] You never know! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy mom was our manager or whatever. And the guys wore whatever they wanted, but I had a Nehru jacket.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Ooh! I wanted a Nehru jacket, and my mom\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>What\u2019s a Nehru jacket?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014you know, with the high collar\u2014and my mom was like, \u201cNo, you\u2019re not getting a Nehru. Those will be out of style in two years.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes, but the cool thing is\u2014we wanted to be rock stars.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>And we never were.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>And we have a real rock star in the studio today\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s right!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014who\u2014it wasn\u2019t just a dream; it\u2019s <em>reality<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A Grammy-nominated rock star.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes! And a Dove award-winning rock star.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Who cares about him? I\u2019m just happy his wife is here! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Me, too!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>I thought maybe you were talking about <em>me<\/em>, but\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>We do have Matt Hammitt and Sarah in the studio today; welcome.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Thank you!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>We\u2019re really glad you\u2019re here. If you don\u2019t know\u2014we do know Sanctus Real\u2014Toledo, Ohio. Ann and I are from Findley, Ohio; so Sanctus Real was a band we knew back in the mid-\u201890s when you guys started in \u201996. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Everybody knew Sanctus Real.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You were like from Ohio, so we were <em>proud<\/em> of that. But let me just give you a proper introduction: 20 years leading Sanctus Real.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Yes, 20 years. It was good\/good 20 years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Now, you\u2019re married. You\u2019ve got four kids; living in Nashville, still writing songs and doing music, still touring.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>And wrote a book called <em>Lead Me<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We should mention that the two of you speak at our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>marriage getaways. We\u2019re glad to have you guys as part of that team.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes, that\u2019s awesome to be part of that team. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things I didn\u2019t realize, until I read the book\u2014which, by the way, great book\u2014it\u2019s like a memoir of your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>It\u2019s <em>so good<\/em>, guys. It\u2019s very real and authentic, so thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes, and how you started sort of early in the band days on the road. It was interesting to read. Well, let me ask you this: \u201cIs the lifestyle of being a rock star all that it\u2019s\u2014that Bob and I <em>dreamed<\/em> it would be?\u201d\u2014[Laughter]\u2014since we never got there!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s right!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Well, I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s exactly ambrosia. [Laughter] But I will tell you, it is a pretty good feeling to have anybody sing your song. Then you have hundreds of people or thousands of people\u2014that makes you feel like the thing that you created\u2014that God put in your heart\/that He created through you that you got to sing meant something to somebody. That part of it really is <em>exciting<\/em>. It\u2019s fun to perform with a band. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut those behind-the-scene moments, when you\u2019re not on the stage\/when you\u2019re not singing those songs or writing those songs, come with a lot of sacrifice and some very difficult trials of what life on the road is really like, especially when you\u2019re married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Let me ask you, Sarah: \u201cWhat\u2019s it like to be married to the rock star?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>In the beginning, we were just kids; and we were having fun. It was fun to travel, and I went on the road with him for\u2014how many years?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Full-time for five years with me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>It was fun! We had a <em>great<\/em> adventure together. I think I put all of my dreams on hold and just chased his with him, so it was fun. It was difficult getting married and getting straight on the road, because we didn\u2019t have a normal marriage. We had to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Weren\u2019t you living and sleeping in a van at times?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah:<\/strong> Yes, it was hard. It was\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>One of the things I love about your book is, even when you talk about those days, you\u2019re <em>very<\/em> honest. We <em>love<\/em> honesty. You\u2019re so real that it was pretty cool\u2014not for you\u2014but to read about fights, conflicts, even intense\u2014you\u2019re walking off the stage, and you guys are yelling at each other. Talk about that because that\u2019s <em>real<\/em> life, whether you\u2019re a rock star or not. But how did you manage that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>It <em>was<\/em> difficult, because we would just\/I\u2019d literally go from being on stage, performing, to all of a sudden, the reality of: \u201cMy wife has needs.\u201d It\u2019s not just about me being on the road and performing; it\u2019s about me doing life with my wife. I have to find a way to learn how to not just focus on my career, but \u201cHow do I focus on this new marriage that God\u2019s given me?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt times, to be totally honest\u2014you can read about it in the book, of course\u2014I didn\u2019t know\/I wasn\u2019t focused all the time. There\u2019s a story in the book, where I\u2019m just like off, wandering around. Sarah\u2019s been working merchandise all day. I\u2019d come by; see her. I\u2019d have a coffee in my hand; and she\u2019d be like, \u201cDid you bring me one? Did you think of me?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Did you say, \u201cWait, do you know who I am?\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> Oh, yes, \u201cI\u2019m the lead singer of Sanctus Real!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was hard for me, definitely, to try to pull my head out of the career dream and then pull it into this marriage dream. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>Well, and you went straight from your mom\u2019s house to my house; meaning, you didn\u2019t have any transition time. It was straight from there. We were young; we were so young. We met when we were 19; married when we were 21. Yes, we were just figuring it out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut fighting on the road was complicated. I\u2019m not one to really hide how I feel; so if I needed to say, \u201cHey, you\u2019re kind of being selfish, and you\u2019re not thinking about me,\u201d\u2014I think, too, it was hard for him because he didn\u2019t conflict that way; that wasn\u2019t the way his family did it. They sort of hid it or brushed it under the rug and let it go; whereas, I\u2019m like, \u201cI can\u2019t live with this wedge. I need to feel known and loved. Here it is\u2026let\u2019s talk about it.\u201d But for him, he wanted to escape from it. It would just escalate, and it would just explode.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Dave speaks around\u2014he\u2019s a pastor\u2014so there was a night that my car broke down, and I couldn\u2019t get to this big fundraiser he was speaking at. I finally got there, after I had walked a mile. I was all muddy, and my shoes\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>She\u2019s being nice. The reason the car broke down was my fault.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>He had fixed the car by putting a C-clamp on this very important part.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014a vice grips.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Oh, that\u2019s what it was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Honey, come on! Elevate it up to where it really was!\u2014[Laughter]\u2014a vice grips. So long story short\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>So I got to the event late; and Dave was frustrated, because I wasn\u2019t there. As I walked in, disheveled, angry, upset\u2014because he wasn\u2019t taking care of me, and I felt like the world was all about him\u2014this woman came up to me. She said, \u201cAre you Dave Wilson\u2019s wife?\u201d I said, \u201cYes, I am.\u201d She said, \u201cOh! It must be <em>something<\/em> to be married to him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>Yes; oh, yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I said, \u201cOh, it is <em>something.\u201d<\/em> [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>I know!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Did you feel that? Because these people\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>All the time! Even with the song, people will come up to me and say, \u201cWhat a <em>beautiful<\/em> song; your husband wrote that for you!\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cThis song came out of my heart\u2019s cry; and even after the song, it\u2019s still my heart\u2019s cry.\u201d It came after a heated fight, where I still felt misunderstood. These words were awesome, but it was like I needed it to be reality. Do you know what I mean?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Wait; you mean that song didn\u2019t fix everything, sweetheart? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>No. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>The song we\u2019re referring to is <em>Lead Me<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>Yes, yes\u2014the song, <em>Lead Me<\/em>\u2014exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This song happened 15 years into your time on the road with Sanctus Real. This was a long process of frustration, and feeling alienated, and feeling abandoned, and being at home\u2014taking care of kids and having to take somebody to the emergency room while your husband\u2019s on the road\u2014all of that stuff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>Oh, man! I mean, I can even remember\u2014I was pregnant for Bowen; I think I\u2019m eight months pregnant\u2014there\u2019s a tornado coming; he\u2019s on the road; I\u2019m down in the basement with my two other kids. Tornado comes by, floods the basement while I\u2019m in it. I\u2019m just like, \u201cWhat in the world?!\u201d I have no\u2014Matt\u2019s gone; he\u2019s not there\u2014it was time after time: our pipes would break\u2026 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt just\u2014it was years, and years, and years of feeling that loneliness of doing it myself. Then, when he would come home, he was tired. I think, when you do what he does, sometimes there\u2019s veils over your eyes that you can\u2019t see things in a certain way. He <em>couldn\u2019t<\/em> understand, and he <em>couldn\u2019t<\/em> connect with me in what I needed. I think a lot of that had to do with the position.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>We were living two different lives, really.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>I\u2019m showing up at a church, and it\u2019s like everybody makes food for us\u2014I mean, it\u2019s hard work; I don\u2019t want to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>They stand up when you\u2019re done with the night and just go, \u201cYou\u2019re wonderful!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Yes, so there\u2019s a lot of <em>reward<\/em> for the work; where Sarah was at home, working very hard, for very little to <em>no<\/em> reward.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>I just didn\u2019t have that empathy to walk in the door and say, \u201cWhat do you need from me? How can I give? How can I serve?\u201d I\u2019m thinking, \u201cI\u2019m going to walk in and plop on the couch, where it\u2019s just going to be marital bliss.\u201d She\u2019s like, \u201cNo!\u201d The diapers hit your chest at the door: \u201cYour turn.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGetting to a place, where I could see my selfishness and learn how to put her first, without her having to bare her wounds to show me that. Of course, that\u2019s a lifelong process. But it had to start somewhere. I think that <em>Lead Me<\/em> was the response to one of those moments, where I <em>first<\/em> was able to say, \u201cHey, how do I take my first real major steps?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>I have always said to Matthew, \u201cI don\u2019t want to walk through life with you. I\u2019m sorry, I\u2019m not going to settle for that. I want to dance. I want to feel cohesive, and I don\u2019t feel cohesive; I feel the opposite.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m very stubborn, and I persevere. I will push and push to get to a place of feeling like we\u2019re dancing. You know, I think\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>But it sounds like you were pushing for quite a while without him hearing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>How did you get him to hear?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>Well, I think it\u2019s all in him, to be honest. Because I don\u2019t think it\u2019s the way I have said it; because I\u2019ve tried it every which way. I tried it nice; I tried aggressive; I tried it all the different ways.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I think so many women can relate to this. [Laughter] Yes, yes. Keep going!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>Every time, it was not understood. I think, for me\u2014that day he wrote that song and we did find a level of understanding\u2014I feel like it was just something that God lifted and gave him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember\u2014it\u2019s funny; I was thinking back\u2014I used to cry, and cry, and cry, and say, \u201cWhy did You give me this <em>hard, hard<\/em> marriage? It\u2019s so difficult! You <em>have <\/em>to use this. If we\u2019re going to go through all this pain, please use it. Because I\u2019m not leaving him, so what are You going to do with it?\u201d I would just be like, \u201cDo something!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say, outside of conflict, we have an <em>amazing<\/em> marriage. But when we hit conflict, it\u2019s terrible and it\u2019s toxic. In the earlier days\u2014I would say the first 12 years\u2014it was probably 10 days a month was toxic conflict, which were probably the days he was home; you know? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I was going to say, probably, when at home. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah:<\/strong> But we would fight\u2014and he was on the road; we\u2019d be on the phone\u2014it was intense and that feeling. You know, I think slowly\u2014we\u2019re still\u2014we still have moments, where we get stuck and we say the things we wish would have never said\u2014still, as a 40-year-old, after we\u2019ve walked it all\u2014but it becomes further and farther between, and we hang onto that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>So it comes back to you, Matt\u2014that God, it sounds like, really got ahold of your heart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Yes, I think it\u2019s the willingness to step outside of your own reality and embrace your spouse\u2019s reality as your own. That\u2019s a really difficult thing to do, but I think that\u2019s what ultimately we\u2019re called to do for our spouse; right?\u2014is to lay down our lives for our wives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think part of learning to be a man is actually being willing to\u2014not only\/I would say denying yourself means also denying your own reality, in a way\u2014because we all see things so differently. We all want to hold onto the way we see conflict: how it should be resolved, how we should communicate\u2014how she wants me to dance through life; but what if I\u2019m not the kind of dancer she wants?\u2014it\u2019s like, \u201cCan she accept me that way?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Or<\/em> can I say, \u201cHer reality of how she wants me to dance, how she wants me to communicate, how she desires for me to mend her wounds in conflict, even when I don\u2019t understand completely why she\u2019s hurt when she\u2019s hurt or how she responds to me, can I embrace that reality as my own because I love her reality for who <em>she<\/em> is more than I love myself?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Talk about the <em>first<\/em> time you saw her. Because, as she\u2019s describing what she wants, I\u2019m thinking, \u201cBro, you should have seen that\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u201c\u2014the first time you saw her!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u201c\u2014the first time you saw her!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>Right?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Yes, exactly. Yes, the first very first time I saw Sarah, it was at this festival. We were a new up-and-coming band. We played early in the day. That night, Third Day is on stage, doing the headlining set. The lights are shining out into the audience. I see this girl, in bare feet and overalls, just dancing\/smiling. I literally thought to myself, \u201cI need <em>that<\/em> in my life. This is carefree\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>Well, you got it! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>\u201c\u2014this carefree woman.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI always think I was always this uptight people pleaser. I gravitate towards shame and, you know, I go inward with my feelings. She\u2019s just like all out there. I\u2019m like, \u201cMan, that\u2019s amazing. I just don\u2019t want to let go.\u201d I loved how carefree she was before we got married. But then, after we got married, she\u2019d come into our bed with black feet, you know, from being outside barefoot, and rub them on my legs. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That\u2019s a great description of marriage! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Yes, and I\u2019m a little OCD. I\u2019m trying to be loving and just let her. [Laughter] Yes, it\u2019s just so funny; because when you see that thing, you\u2019re like, \u201cThat\u2019s what I need in my life.\u201d Is that really what you want? Sometimes, it\u2019s not what you <em>want<\/em>; it\u2019s what you <em>need<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, of course, over time we grow up\/we change. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>My feet are clean now, too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Yes, your feet are much cleaner now. It\u2019s interesting; because still, it\u2019s like we say, \u201cI do,\u201d to this thing. Do we really say, \u201cI do\u201d? When we say, \u201cI do,\u201d do we keep doing? It\u2019s the whole \u201cI Still Do\u201d thing\u2014right?\u2014\u201cI still do.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But this is so true for <em>all<\/em> of us. We see things\/I saw things in Mary Ann that are different than me; that I thought, \u201cThis will compliment me. This will balance.\u201d I wasn\u2019t thinking it, cognitively; I was thinking, \u201cThat\u2019s missing; that will complete me.\u201d Then you marry and, all of a sudden, what you appreciated in small doses is there all the time. Now, it\u2019s like, \u201cI liked a little of that, but I don\u2019t know that I want it all the time and with full force like it\u2019s coming right now.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think a lot of couples, when they face that, they go, \u201cWhat did I miss? I thought we were going to have this and now what was attractive is now annoying.\u201d And we\u2019re surprised by that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt and Sarah: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Given the way conflict has happened for you guys, when you\u2019re speaking at a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway, and you\u2019re talking about how to resolve conflict in your marriage, are you speaking and going, \u201cOh yes, I need to do this, too\u201d? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Oh yes, <em>every<\/em> time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>We had a fight this morning, so\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>We definitely did have a fight this morning, yes. If you had a fight this morning, out there, you\u2019re not alone. [Laughter] I did some repenting on the way here, Dave, so you know, it\u2019s fresh.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s so funny; because we always joked, at the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>, that every couple always seems to have that fight right before they\u2019re supposed to speak\/right before they get there. But you can take that\u2014you know, what I actually did say to Sarah; I said, \u201cIt\u2019s amazing that we get to go,\u201d\u2014and I would say this about <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>, as well and being here today\u2014I said, \u201cHow <em>amazing<\/em> is it that we get to take this pain that we have in our lives and that God gives it <em>purpose<\/em>?\u201d It\u2019s incredible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Every<\/em> time I speak at <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>, <em>especially <\/em>on conflict\u2014I think that\u2019s my favorite one\u2014and the \u201cWe Fight, Too\u201d\u2014because I get the opportunity to, not only share that \u201cYou\u2019re not alone; We fight, too,\u201d to show our scars; but to also give those practical little things that we\u2019re learning, along the way, that have helped us so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>How did you get to the point\u2014because every couple <em>has<\/em> to get there\u2014where you actually <em>love<\/em> those things that drove you <em>crazy<\/em>? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>It is funny; because those things, after 19 years of marriage now, there are some of those things about her carefreeness that just like, even if they drive you crazy, they become home. It\u2019s like the thing that time does. It\u2019s kind of endearing that it drives you crazy now. You go through: at first, it was really endearing, just romantically, nothing negative; then, all of a sudden, it\u2019s like <em>all<\/em> negative; and now, we\u2019re at that phase, where it\u2019s home to me and I wouldn\u2019t want anything else.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah: <\/strong>But we had to push through some massively hard times to get to that place where it feels like home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sarah:<\/strong> Because I think we got to a place, where we felt like we might not push towards feeling like home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Matt: <\/strong>Yes, absolutely. Yes, there are always moments\u2014right? \u2014where we think, \u201cDo we want to keep pushing? Can we keep climbing? Do we give up? Do we throw in the towel?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the beauty that I see now\/I do think, \u201cOh, that feeling\/just that deep feeling of, when I put my head in her neck and I smell her hair, or that that\u2019s just only one person in my life that could give me that sense of just being my home no matter where we are.\u201d I think, \u201cMan, what would I do without that? What if I wouldn\u2019t have pushed through?\u201d There were moments I could have never imagined feeling that beauty ever again; and now it\u2019s like because of those moments, when I thought I\u2019d never feel it again, feeling it again is even more powerful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven today, though I\u2019m still struggling, as a man, to let go of my own reality\u2014and desire of how I want her to be, her to speak to me, her to have conflict with me; it\u2019s like how the way I think things should go\u2014we still battle those things. Every day, I still have to make a decision: \u201cAm I going to be willing to lay my own comforts, my own realities, my own ideals down to embrace: \u2018What it is that she needs from me and to serve her?\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I\u2019ve got to tell you\u2014hearing you describe home, which, by the way, is a song lyric\u2014I mean, you said that we want to throw away the crazy, but it\u2019s home\u2014made me think of the couples listening right now, who are ready to give up: \u201cDon\u2019t give up!\u201d Just hearing you describe that\u2014I mean, you can feel; and you can read it in your book\u2014the pain, and the struggle, and the work you\u2019ve gone through\u2014it didn\u2019t happen in a day or a year\u2014it was <em>years<\/em>, maybe <em>decades<\/em>, and now you can look and go, \u201cI\u2019m so glad I held on.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI literally thought of my mom and dad, who quit, and thought, \u201cOh!\u201d\u2014I mean, I\u2019m 60\u2014I don\u2019t want to say how old, but over 60\u2014and still feel that angst in my soul: \u201cI wish Mom and Dad would have fought for home,\u201d because my home broke. That\u2019s why I have a passion to help homes. And FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> is\u2014that\u2019s what we want to do\u2014give hope and help. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I just want to say to that couple: \u201cDon\u2019t quit. I know it\u2019s hard. I know right now it\u2019s so dark; you just want to walk out. Don\u2019t walk out. There\u2019s a child, like me, hoping mom and dad make it. You can make it! Jesus can resurrect a dead marriage. You just heard their story. Yours is the next one. Hang on.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is a book\u2014what you\u2019ve written is a book that will encourage couples\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Oh, it\u2019s so good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cYou can persevere. Hang in there. Work through it. Press in.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got copies of Matt\u2019s book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. It\u2019s called <em>Lead Me<\/em>, and I want to encourage listeners: get a copy of this book. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order a copy for yourself\u2014maybe a couple of copies\u2014so you can share it with other people you know. Again, the book is called <em>Lead Me<\/em>. It\u2019s a compelling story of their life\/their marriage. Order from us at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get a copy. Again, the phone number: 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll just say: we would encourage every couple to get together with other couples and spend some time talking about your marriage. Don\u2019t try to do this on your own, but have a team approach to building a strong marriage. We\u2019ve got resources. Dave and Ann, you guys have got the <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> video series; we\u2019ve got the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> video series; the<em> Art of Marriage<\/em><em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em> video series. These are tools designed to help promote conversation between you and other couples to help strengthen your marriage and help you work through the issues that inevitably come up in a marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can find out more about the <em>Art of Marriage<\/em> video series, the <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> video series, the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> series; go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, to find information about resources we have available to help you strengthen your marriage in community. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI hope you can join us, again, tomorrow. We\u2019re going to continue our conversation with Matt and Sarah Hammitt, talking about the realities of their marriage: some of the challenges they faced and how God has met them in the midst of those challenges. I hope you can tune in for that. We may even get Matt to pick up the guitar\/sing a song for us tomorrow. I hope you can join us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch. Got some extra help this week from Bruce Goff and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. 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