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Here\u2019s author, Jen Pollock Michel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Even for those of us who believe the gospel and call ourselves Christians, there is still this very deep longing in us; because we know this world isn\u2019t yet our home. We\u2019re kind of in this tension of the already and the not yet: that right now, we enjoy a communion with God through His Spirit because of the work of Christ; and yet, this world is still just a fragile place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> We\u2019re going to explore the truths of home\u2014our fragile earthly one and the perfect one waiting for us in heaven\u2014on this edition of <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I\u2019m Michelle Hill. I want to try something here. I want you to picture home: \u201cWhat do you see?\u201d \u201cIs it a structure, or is it people?\u201d \u201cIs it a place of belonging\/a refuge?\u201d \u201cAre there certain smells or feelings?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI grew up in a log house, set on a hill, and surrounded by corn fields for as far as the eye could see. Home, for me, smelled of wood smoke and pancakes; we ate a lot of Norwegian pancakes. Home should evoke feelings of belonging and trust. I realize there are some of you who don\u2019t have those feelings of home. I\u2019m really sorry because home, for me, was a place of encouragement and unconditional love. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tToday, we\u2019re are going to explore what home is. I\u2019m going to talk with author, Jen Pollock Michel, in a little bit; but first, Barbara Rainey. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle: <\/strong>You are the cofounder of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and you are the founder of Ever Thine Home<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I am; that\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Now, I\u2019ve had the privilege of being in your home for a meal. Your home is so inviting; and it\u2019s warm, and it\u2019s welcoming. I think Joanna Gaines would probably give you a high-five and say, \u201cWell done.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Oh, gosh! That would be a compliment. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> But it evokes a feeling of just welcome, and warmth, and love. What does home mean to you? Why have you tastefully done your home the way you have? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s interesting you would describe it that way; because that was always what I wanted. I remember, as a young woman, when I had really small kids, I wanted my home to be that way. It didn\u2019t feel that way to me because: it was busy; and it was loud; and it was messy, because of spilt apple juice and toys everywhere. It didn\u2019t feel\/it didn\u2019t have that kind of a feel, but I think that evolves over time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I have come to learn is that a home that feels that way\u2014it feels that way because of the people\u2014not because of the way it\u2019s decorated or because of the temperature in the room. I wrote about this not too long ago. I remember when my kids were\u2014say four, and three, and baby; I don\u2019t remember\u2014but under five, we went to visit this woman, who was a member of our church, in her home one day. She was a widow. My little son, who was about three or four at the time, said, \u201cMommy, I <em>like<\/em> Miss Kitty\u2019s house because it\u2019s warm.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember thinking, \u201cOh my gosh! A four-year-old\u201d or \u201cthree-year-old\u201d\u2014whatever he was\u2014\u201cpicked up on the atmosphere of her home.\u201d He wasn\u2019t talking about\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It wasn\u2019t because of the heat, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014temperature. It\u2019s because of Miss Kitty\u2019s character; it\u2019s because of her heart; it\u2019s because of her warm welcome that he felt that warmth in her home. It really gave me a vision, at that time\u2014way long time ago\u2014that that was what I wanted my home to be. It was my first introduction to understanding that a home is not just a house\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014but it is the atmosphere in the home, whether it\u2019s a tin shack or whether it\u2019s a mansion. It\u2019s the people: it\u2019s the warmth of their relationships; it\u2019s the commitment that you have in the home to the people that live in that home; it\u2019s embracing the people that are in that home that: \u201cThese are the people that God has given me to love. These are my people.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m delighted to hear you say that our house, when you came to have dinner, felt warm\u2014because that has been my goal for <em>years<\/em>\u2014is that people would sense the love of Christ\/the comfort of being in His presence in our home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes; what did you want home to represent for your kids as you were raising them? Did you want it to be that warmth, or was their some other idea that you were helping them walk away with? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, I did want it to be warm; but I also wanted it to be a safe place for my kids, when they were struggling with something or where they made mistakes. I didn\u2019t want them to feel like they had to go\u2014they had to keep it buried, or they had to go tell a friend or somebody else\u2014because they couldn\u2019t come to us. For the most part, I think that was the kind of environment that they felt from us: that they could confess their sin; they could talk about what they were struggling with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014which is so important. It\u2019s so important because I think, if you don\u2019t have that, you struggle through life with how to build that\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014that type of foundation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhich brings me to my next question: \u201cYou had a blog post a while back on the \u201840 Reasons Why Your Home Matters.\u2019 One of those reasons was your home is the foundation of who your children will be. Unpack that a little bit and help us understand why home is so important to who your children will be.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, honestly, I think it is a great mystery; because each of us is born to parents. Each of us, therefore, then, has a home. Homes are vastly different in size, and shape, and location, and the way they feel. Every set of parents is different from every other set of parents. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur children grew up\u2014I mean, in God\u2019s sovereignty\u2014He gave us the children He gave us; and I don\u2019t know all the reasons why He did that. They became who they were\/who they are today: because of the home that they grew up in, because of the parents they had, because of the experiences that 4we brought to our parenting style, because of the things we wanted to do differently with our children. Every parent comes in, saying, \u201cMy parents did this well. They didn\u2019t do this well; I\u2019m going to do better on that one.\u201d Yet, when you just stop and think about the variety of homes around the world\u2014good homes, and bad homes, and nice homes\u2014but God is sovereign over all of that. I think that He knows what He is doing\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014when He places children in families. That particular family is going to shape that child\u2019s life: the parents are going to shape it; their experience is going to be shaping; their siblings are going to help shape them. God has intentions\/He has purposes in all of that for what He wants to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEvery home, I think, is foundational in a person\u2019s life. My home was foundational; your home was foundational. Our home was foundational for our six children, too. It is the place, where memories are made, where habits are learned, where you come to know Christ or you don\u2019t come to know Christ. Even that is all a part of your story. It\u2019s very formative in all of our lives\u2014every single one of us\u2014therefore, I think it reminds us that our home is really an important place. It\u2019s important for us, whether we have children or whether we don\u2019t have children. I think home is an important piece of who we are\/what God wants to do in our lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It is so interesting that you say that; because if you ask somebody what home is, some people will say, \u201cIt\u2019s cherry pie; it\u2019s the smell of cherry pie\u201d; or someone else will say, \u201cIt\u2019s the warmth of my mom\u2019s smile.\u201d It\u2019s always back in time a little bit and remember. Very few times do I hear\u2014when you ask, \u201cWhat is home?\u201d\u2014\u201cThe place where I\u2019m living right now.\u201d You always go back in time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I think we do; you\u2019re right. I think that illustrates that our home of origin is the place where we first decide what home means, and I think it is shaping. I think that is why we go back in our memories: \u201cThis is what I remember, and that\u2019s what home is to me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Now, you have coined the phrase: \u201cHome is an embassy.\u201d What do you mean by that? Why is home an embassy? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, it occurred to me one day that, if we are ambassadors for Christ\u2014and Paul makes that very, very clear in 2Corinthians; he says, flat out: \u201cTherefore, you are an ambassador for Christ,\u201d\u2014well, when you think about an ambassador, where does an ambassador live? What has he been tasked with? What is his job?\u2014his job is to represent his government\/his home country. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt talks about, in the book of Hebrews, that we are aliens in this world. I think that\u2019s a great concept for us to begin to think about, in our places of dwelling here on this earth, that: \u201cMy home is an embassy of the King. This is not my home. This is a temporary stopover on our way to our eternal home in heaven with Christ. As I live my life on this planet, in the structure that God has graciously given us to live in, I want that to be more than just a house. I want it to be more than just about us and the place that we come to in the evening, and have dinner, and crash and do whatever we do. I want it to represent Him. I want it to be about Christ as if I were living in a foreign land.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You know, and I\u2019ve heard you say, \u201cHome is an embassy,\u201d for a while; but until I\u2019m here, talking with you right now, just reminded me of this weekend. My roommate\u2019s parents came to visit us. On Sunday, I cooked a meal for them and for another lady that we call Nana, who would probably be a lot like Miss Kitty. On Saturday, I was just a little bit in my own circumstances and thinking, \u201cWhy am I cooking this meal? It\u2019s taking me too long; I\u2019m having to get it ready. It\u2019s Sunday afternoon\u2014it\u2019s going to be after church\u2014it\u2019s is a long day.\u201d I just was like, \u201cWhy am I doing this?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then, when everybody came for the meal on Sunday afternoon, Nana was like, \u201cYour home is so inviting,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Good for you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cand it\u2019s so welcoming.\u201d I just, afterwards, was like, \u201cThank You, God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u201cYou pushed me out of my comfort zone. You got me out of my funk\u201d\u2014or whatever I was going through\u2014\u201cand had these people over, who just sat there and said, \u2018We love your home.\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes; and they felt loved. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Obviously, they felt loved; they felt cared for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, when we take the time to cook a meal like you did, it is an investment. You spend a lot of time, and you probably spent money on it and energy; but it communicates that you cared about these people. I think that\u2019s what our homes can do. Our homes communicate care and love for those who come in, whether you live there or whether you are just visiting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that\u2019s important, because I think that\u2019s what Jesus\u2019s home is going to be. I mean, He said, \u201cI have gone to prepare a place for you.\u201d He\u2019s been working on that place forever. I just have to believe that He is putting all kinds of individual touches so that, when each one of us shows up, there is going to be something that was just for us; because He knows us so well. We\u2019re going to walk in, and it\u2019s going to be home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Oh, that\u2019s a good word. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes; I think we will walk in, and it will feel right. It\u2019s because He knows each one of us so personally. He is going to the trouble to make it unique for us. I can\u2019t wait. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I can\u2019t either. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I mean, I really can\u2019t wait! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Well, Barbara, it\u2019s always a joy to have you join me. Thank you so much for taking the time. I appreciate it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s always a delight to do this with you. Thank you for continuing to ask; I appreciate it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You\u2019re welcome. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have a link on our website to Barbara\u2019s article, \u201c40 Reasons Your Home Matters.\u201d That\u2019s at our website, FamilyLifeThisWeek.com; that\u2019s FamilyLifeThisWeek.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, we need to take a break; but after the break, I\u2019m going to chat with Jen Pollock Michel. She has some interesting thoughts on the perfect home waiting for us in heaven. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Radio Station Spot Break]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle: <\/strong>Welcome back to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I\u2019m Michelle Hill. We\u2019ve been talking today about the importance of home and the significance in building a welcoming home to our family and friends. It was awhile back that I was asked to speak at my alma mater about home. A book that helped me think through home and what it meant was <em>Keeping Place: Reflections on the Meaning of Home<\/em> by Jen Pollock Michel. I asked Jen if we could have a video chat on home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle: <\/strong>Jen, thanks so much for joining me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Well, thank you for having me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You are a busy mom and a wife, of course. You live in Toronto. You are a writer: you\u2019ve written two books, and you also write for <em>Christianity Today<\/em> and <em>Today in the Word<\/em>; is that right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s right; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Okay; so I want to talk about <em>Keeping Place<\/em>. I loved the <em>Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>. That book has opened my eyes to how every story whispers Jesus\u2019s name. Now, you\u2019ve captured my thoughts and musings when you said, \u201cThe entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, is a story on home.\u201d As I\u2019ve been reading, I\u2019ve been trying to just pick up on home. How is that?\u2014explain to us\u2014how is it that the entire Bible is a story on home? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> It\u2019s a beautiful idea; isn\u2019t it?\u2014just to think that the Bible tells one story; you know? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Especially to those of us who have grown up in the church\u2014I can, at least, think of it myself\u2014we didn\u2019t really talk about the one story that the Bible is telling; but when I was writing this book, I was really thinking that the greatest human longing\u2014for all of us\u2014it\u2019s for home. There are reasons for saying that; other people think that, too. But then I thought, \u201cWell, what then\/what does the Bible have to say about home?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I started to think about this kind of three-act story of the Bible\u2014a lot of people will talk about the Bible in terms of these three acts: creation, being Act 1; fall, Act 2; and redemption,\u00a0 Act 3\u2014so I thought, \u201cWell, let\u2019s look at that through the lens of home. Is there anything to learn there?\u201d I thought, \u201cWell, creation: \u2018What\u2019s happening in Act 1 of creation?\u2019\u201d God is making a home for His people, and He is actually making a home for Himself as well; He is intending to share it with us. This inaugurates this story of God wanting to be with His people and dwell with His people. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then, of course, we know that lasts for only two chapters; you know?\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGenesis 1\/Genesis 2\u2014then, we get into Genesis 3, where Adam and Eve disobey the one commandment God\u2019s given them. Of course, we know that the consequence for their sin is death, but it\u2019s also exile. We see, at the end of Genesis 3, they are kicked out of the garden; and they are sent wandering. Then, you skip forward, all the way to John, Chapter 1: \u201cThe Word became flesh and dwelt among us,\u201d\u2014\u201ctabernacled among us\u201d\/\u201dpitched His tent in our neighborhood.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe see this like Act 3 of this story, where what\u2019s happening in the life of Jesus\u2014His person, His work, His death, His resurrection\u2014God\u2019s restoring home to His people, which is, of course, a place. We have a home to look forward to\u2014the new heavens and the new earth\u2014but it\u2019s also about a communion with God. There is no home in the Bible except for the home where God is, so this reconciled relationship that we can have with God through Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s what I mean when I say the Bible tells the story of home. I\u2019m looking at those three acts: home is a gift to humanity; home is something that we lose because of sin; and then, home is something that we regain because of the person and work of Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I want to go back to that longing piece, and just the fact that you can see the Israelites longing, for so long, for home and a comfortable place. I mean, when you think of home, you think of words like \u201cwarmth and welcoming,\u201d and \u201crest and refuge\u201d; and they were looking for that for so long. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think of my ancestors, who came over on the Mayflower; and they didn\u2019t stop moving. They just constantly continued to move; there was this longing and this restlessness. Really, we\u2019re still seeing that, even though we know what God has wanted for us, we\u2019re still seeing that restlessness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> We absolutely are. Even for those of us, who believe the gospel and call ourselves Christians, there is still this very deep longing in us; because we know this world isn\u2019t yet our home. We\u2019re kind of in this tension of the already and the not yet, that right now, we enjoy a communion with God through His Spirit because of the work of Christ; and yet, this world is still such a fragile place. We think about all the ways that the world is fragile. It leaves us longing for a deeper rest and a greater permanence. I think that is always going to come back to Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So Jen, as you have been thinking through this\u2014just about keeping place\/this longing for home\u2014what does the real home really look like? Give us some hope for what we\u2019re shooting for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Oh goodness! Well, there\u2019s home now\u2014right?\u2014and home to come. I really do want to say that, while we\u2019re sort of the saints of hope\u2014you know saints\u2014we can call ourselves \u201csaints\u201d; that\u2019s what Paul calls us\u2014in Hebrews, they are always sort of looking forward to the world that is to come. They know they are waiting on a better world. They\u2019re\/in one sense, this home to come is so important; but this home here and now is, too. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI always think that the Garden\u2014we could say the Garden and the new Jerusalem\u2014these are sort of our templates for what real home looks like and how we long for it. There\u2019s, as we\u2019ve talked about, this connection with God that we could have a house with four bedrooms and two-and-a-half baths. We could have a wonderful marriage; we could have wonderful things about an earthly home; but if we do not have a reconciled relationship with God, we\u2019re <em>not<\/em> going to feel satisfied in those things. So that\u2019s number one: a relationship with God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNumber two: I think home really does speak to <em>place<\/em>\u2014that in the Garden, God gave His people a place; in the new Jerusalem, we have a city\u2014there\u2019s something about geographical belonging and connection, which is really hard in our world, if we were to all be honest. I mean, I\u2019m the product of like corporate transfers; and we moved a lot there. But I do think that, as human beings, we long for connection to our place: that could be to the people on our street; it could be to our neighborhood; to our city. I think that\u2019s a really important part of home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, of course, a non-negotiable of home is also just our relationships with other people. We see that in the Garden; right? Adam and Eve were given the gift of communion with God; they were given the gift of place; and they were also given the gift of just community. We experience home so much in our relationships with other people. It\u2019s why you can make home in a new city as a Christian\u2014in the sense that, well, you might not feel the geographical connection to a new city\u2014you make your home by becoming part of the church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Well, it makes me think of how the church really is foreshadowing our future home. I mean, we\u2019re bearing with one another\u2014just like the \u201c\u2026one anothers\u201d in the New Testament\u2014we\u2019re bearing with one another; we\u2019re forgiving one another; we\u2019re serving one another; we\u2019re loving one another. We\u2019re linking arms with one another, and we don\u2019t get to ditch our friends in the congregation\/our friends in the church; we won\u2019t get to ditch them in heaven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> No. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> In keeping all of this in mind\u2014that our future home is in heaven\u2014how do you raise your children to keep the idea of home here on earth loosely: \u201cWe\u2019re living for heaven, but we\u2019re living here on earth.\u201d How are you unpacking that for them? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Here would be such a simple example, actually happened this morning. When my son opens the cabinet, and looks for the cinnamon sugar to put on his toast, he is frustrated because it is empty. He thinks that somebody else should have filled it up. Of course; right? I said to him, \u201cYou know what? You can fill it up, too.\u201d He said, \u201cBut that\u2019s not fair; whoever emptied it should have filled it.\u201d I said, \u201cBut you know what? You can serve your family just by filling it up.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s such a simple example; but within our family, it\u2019s just like practicing the work of welcome: \u201cHow do we welcome each other?\u201d \u201cHow do we love one another?\u201d All those \u201c\u2026one anothers\u201d you were talking about\u2014encouraging one another, bearing with one another, forgiving one another, confessing to one another\u2014these things that we do within the four walls of our family homes are the things that we, then, do in our church and the things we try to do in our neighborhoods. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s usually in very simple, ordinary ways\u2014that this work of housekeeping, like I like to talk about it\u2014that we long for home, but nobody longs to do the housekeeping; right? We want homes to be made for us: we want to be received; we want to belong. But how do we look out into the world and say: \u201cHow can I help others be welcomed, received, recognized?\u201d \u201cHow can I make others feel safe?\u201d Those are just some easy ideas of how I think about it within my own home life and how I even, beyond that, think about it in my own neighborhood. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Well, Jen, I have appreciated your time. Thank you so much for joining me and encouraging us to remember that our ultimate home is in heaven, but not to forget that our home on earth points to that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes; thanks for having me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You\u2019re welcome. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs we\u2019ve learned today, there should be a certain beauty in our homes on earth; and as I said before, they should offer refuge and safety, a place to welcome and love visitors, a place of belonging. I don\u2019t know about you; but as much as I enjoy my home now or fondly remember the little log house on the prairie that I grew up in, there is still a longing for more\/a feeling of lack that a cable show about the perfect house just can\u2019t fix. It\u2019s a longing for my perfect home in heaven, and that\u2019s a good thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, next week, we\u2019re going to dive into the Easter story. There is going to be bunnies and eggs and soft colors\u2014okay, maybe not\u2014but I\u2019ll be chatting with my favorite children\u2019s author, Sally Lloyd Jones, about sharing the Easter story with little ones. I hope you can join us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, thanks for listening! I want to thank the president of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, David Robbins; along with our co-founder, Dennis Rainey\u2014and our station partners around the country\u2014a big \u201cThank you!\u201d to you guys. And a big \u201cThank you,\u201d to our engineer today, Keith Lynch; our producers, Marques Holt and Bruce Goff. 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Barbara Rainey and Jen Pollock Michel explain the value of making Christ the foundation of a stable, godly home.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/flw\/flw2021-03-27.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> When you sit at your kitchen table in the morning\u2014usually for me, it\u2019s with a cup of coffee\u2014do you find yourself <em>longing<\/em> for something more? Here\u2019s author, Jen Pollock Michel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Even for those of us who believe the gospel and call ourselves Christians, there is still this very deep longing in us; because we know this world isn\u2019t yet our home. We\u2019re kind of in this tension of the already and the not yet: that right now, we enjoy a communion with God through His Spirit because of the work of Christ; and yet, this world is still just a fragile place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> We\u2019re going to explore the truths of home\u2014our fragile earthly one and the perfect one waiting for us in heaven\u2014on this edition of <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I\u2019m Michelle Hill. I want to try something here. I want you to picture home: \u201cWhat do you see?\u201d \u201cIs it a structure, or is it people?\u201d \u201cIs it a place of belonging\/a refuge?\u201d \u201cAre there certain smells or feelings?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI grew up in a log house, set on a hill, and surrounded by corn fields for as far as the eye could see. Home, for me, smelled of wood smoke and pancakes; we ate a lot of Norwegian pancakes. Home should evoke feelings of belonging and trust. I realize there are some of you who don\u2019t have those feelings of home. I\u2019m really sorry because home, for me, was a place of encouragement and unconditional love. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tToday, we\u2019re are going to explore what home is. I\u2019m going to talk with author, Jen Pollock Michel, in a little bit; but first, Barbara Rainey. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle: <\/strong>You are the cofounder of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and you are the founder of Ever Thine Home<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I am; that\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Now, I\u2019ve had the privilege of being in your home for a meal. Your home is so inviting; and it\u2019s warm, and it\u2019s welcoming. I think Joanna Gaines would probably give you a high-five and say, \u201cWell done.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Oh, gosh! That would be a compliment. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> But it evokes a feeling of just welcome, and warmth, and love. What does home mean to you? Why have you tastefully done your home the way you have? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s interesting you would describe it that way; because that was always what I wanted. I remember, as a young woman, when I had really small kids, I wanted my home to be that way. It didn\u2019t feel that way to me because: it was busy; and it was loud; and it was messy, because of spilt apple juice and toys everywhere. It didn\u2019t feel\/it didn\u2019t have that kind of a feel, but I think that evolves over time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I have come to learn is that a home that feels that way\u2014it feels that way because of the people\u2014not because of the way it\u2019s decorated or because of the temperature in the room. I wrote about this not too long ago. I remember when my kids were\u2014say four, and three, and baby; I don\u2019t remember\u2014but under five, we went to visit this woman, who was a member of our church, in her home one day. She was a widow. My little son, who was about three or four at the time, said, \u201cMommy, I <em>like<\/em> Miss Kitty\u2019s house because it\u2019s warm.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember thinking, \u201cOh my gosh! A four-year-old\u201d or \u201cthree-year-old\u201d\u2014whatever he was\u2014\u201cpicked up on the atmosphere of her home.\u201d He wasn\u2019t talking about\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It wasn\u2019t because of the heat, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014temperature. It\u2019s because of Miss Kitty\u2019s character; it\u2019s because of her heart; it\u2019s because of her warm welcome that he felt that warmth in her home. It really gave me a vision, at that time\u2014way long time ago\u2014that that was what I wanted my home to be. It was my first introduction to understanding that a home is not just a house\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014but it is the atmosphere in the home, whether it\u2019s a tin shack or whether it\u2019s a mansion. It\u2019s the people: it\u2019s the warmth of their relationships; it\u2019s the commitment that you have in the home to the people that live in that home; it\u2019s embracing the people that are in that home that: \u201cThese are the people that God has given me to love. These are my people.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m delighted to hear you say that our house, when you came to have dinner, felt warm\u2014because that has been my goal for <em>years<\/em>\u2014is that people would sense the love of Christ\/the comfort of being in His presence in our home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes; what did you want home to represent for your kids as you were raising them? Did you want it to be that warmth, or was their some other idea that you were helping them walk away with? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, I did want it to be warm; but I also wanted it to be a safe place for my kids, when they were struggling with something or where they made mistakes. I didn\u2019t want them to feel like they had to go\u2014they had to keep it buried, or they had to go tell a friend or somebody else\u2014because they couldn\u2019t come to us. For the most part, I think that was the kind of environment that they felt from us: that they could confess their sin; they could talk about what they were struggling with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014which is so important. It\u2019s so important because I think, if you don\u2019t have that, you struggle through life with how to build that\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014that type of foundation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhich brings me to my next question: \u201cYou had a blog post a while back on the \u201840 Reasons Why Your Home Matters.\u2019 One of those reasons was your home is the foundation of who your children will be. Unpack that a little bit and help us understand why home is so important to who your children will be.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, honestly, I think it is a great mystery; because each of us is born to parents. Each of us, therefore, then, has a home. Homes are vastly different in size, and shape, and location, and the way they feel. Every set of parents is different from every other set of parents. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur children grew up\u2014I mean, in God\u2019s sovereignty\u2014He gave us the children He gave us; and I don\u2019t know all the reasons why He did that. They became who they were\/who they are today: because of the home that they grew up in, because of the parents they had, because of the experiences that 4we brought to our parenting style, because of the things we wanted to do differently with our children. Every parent comes in, saying, \u201cMy parents did this well. They didn\u2019t do this well; I\u2019m going to do better on that one.\u201d Yet, when you just stop and think about the variety of homes around the world\u2014good homes, and bad homes, and nice homes\u2014but God is sovereign over all of that. I think that He knows what He is doing\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014when He places children in families. That particular family is going to shape that child\u2019s life: the parents are going to shape it; their experience is going to be shaping; their siblings are going to help shape them. God has intentions\/He has purposes in all of that for what He wants to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEvery home, I think, is foundational in a person\u2019s life. My home was foundational; your home was foundational. Our home was foundational for our six children, too. It is the place, where memories are made, where habits are learned, where you come to know Christ or you don\u2019t come to know Christ. Even that is all a part of your story. It\u2019s very formative in all of our lives\u2014every single one of us\u2014therefore, I think it reminds us that our home is really an important place. It\u2019s important for us, whether we have children or whether we don\u2019t have children. I think home is an important piece of who we are\/what God wants to do in our lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It is so interesting that you say that; because if you ask somebody what home is, some people will say, \u201cIt\u2019s cherry pie; it\u2019s the smell of cherry pie\u201d; or someone else will say, \u201cIt\u2019s the warmth of my mom\u2019s smile.\u201d It\u2019s always back in time a little bit and remember. Very few times do I hear\u2014when you ask, \u201cWhat is home?\u201d\u2014\u201cThe place where I\u2019m living right now.\u201d You always go back in time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I think we do; you\u2019re right. I think that illustrates that our home of origin is the place where we first decide what home means, and I think it is shaping. I think that is why we go back in our memories: \u201cThis is what I remember, and that\u2019s what home is to me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Now, you have coined the phrase: \u201cHome is an embassy.\u201d What do you mean by that? Why is home an embassy? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, it occurred to me one day that, if we are ambassadors for Christ\u2014and Paul makes that very, very clear in 2Corinthians; he says, flat out: \u201cTherefore, you are an ambassador for Christ,\u201d\u2014well, when you think about an ambassador, where does an ambassador live? What has he been tasked with? What is his job?\u2014his job is to represent his government\/his home country. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt talks about, in the book of Hebrews, that we are aliens in this world. I think that\u2019s a great concept for us to begin to think about, in our places of dwelling here on this earth, that: \u201cMy home is an embassy of the King. This is not my home. This is a temporary stopover on our way to our eternal home in heaven with Christ. As I live my life on this planet, in the structure that God has graciously given us to live in, I want that to be more than just a house. I want it to be more than just about us and the place that we come to in the evening, and have dinner, and crash and do whatever we do. I want it to represent Him. I want it to be about Christ as if I were living in a foreign land.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You know, and I\u2019ve heard you say, \u201cHome is an embassy,\u201d for a while; but until I\u2019m here, talking with you right now, just reminded me of this weekend. My roommate\u2019s parents came to visit us. 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It\u2019s Sunday afternoon\u2014it\u2019s going to be after church\u2014it\u2019s is a long day.\u201d I just was like, \u201cWhy am I doing this?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then, when everybody came for the meal on Sunday afternoon, Nana was like, \u201cYour home is so inviting,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Good for you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cand it\u2019s so welcoming.\u201d I just, afterwards, was like, \u201cThank You, God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u201cYou pushed me out of my comfort zone. You got me out of my funk\u201d\u2014or whatever I was going through\u2014\u201cand had these people over, who just sat there and said, \u2018We love your home.\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes; and they felt loved. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Obviously, they felt loved; they felt cared for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, when we take the time to cook a meal like you did, it is an investment. You spend a lot of time, and you probably spent money on it and energy; but it communicates that you cared about these people. I think that\u2019s what our homes can do. Our homes communicate care and love for those who come in, whether you live there or whether you are just visiting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that\u2019s important, because I think that\u2019s what Jesus\u2019s home is going to be. I mean, He said, \u201cI have gone to prepare a place for you.\u201d He\u2019s been working on that place forever. I just have to believe that He is putting all kinds of individual touches so that, when each one of us shows up, there is going to be something that was just for us; because He knows us so well. We\u2019re going to walk in, and it\u2019s going to be home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Oh, that\u2019s a good word. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes; I think we will walk in, and it will feel right. It\u2019s because He knows each one of us so personally. He is going to the trouble to make it unique for us. I can\u2019t wait. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I can\u2019t either. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I mean, I really can\u2019t wait! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Well, Barbara, it\u2019s always a joy to have you join me. Thank you so much for taking the time. I appreciate it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s always a delight to do this with you. Thank you for continuing to ask; I appreciate it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You\u2019re welcome. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have a link on our website to Barbara\u2019s article, \u201c40 Reasons Your Home Matters.\u201d That\u2019s at our website, FamilyLifeThisWeek.com; that\u2019s FamilyLifeThisWeek.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, we need to take a break; but after the break, I\u2019m going to chat with Jen Pollock Michel. She has some interesting thoughts on the perfect home waiting for us in heaven. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Radio Station Spot Break]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle: <\/strong>Welcome back to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I\u2019m Michelle Hill. We\u2019ve been talking today about the importance of home and the significance in building a welcoming home to our family and friends. It was awhile back that I was asked to speak at my alma mater about home. A book that helped me think through home and what it meant was <em>Keeping Place: Reflections on the Meaning of Home<\/em> by Jen Pollock Michel. I asked Jen if we could have a video chat on home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle: <\/strong>Jen, thanks so much for joining me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Well, thank you for having me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You are a busy mom and a wife, of course. You live in Toronto. You are a writer: you\u2019ve written two books, and you also write for <em>Christianity Today<\/em> and <em>Today in the Word<\/em>; is that right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s right; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Okay; so I want to talk about <em>Keeping Place<\/em>. I loved the <em>Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>. That book has opened my eyes to how every story whispers Jesus\u2019s name. Now, you\u2019ve captured my thoughts and musings when you said, \u201cThe entire Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, is a story on home.\u201d As I\u2019ve been reading, I\u2019ve been trying to just pick up on home. How is that?\u2014explain to us\u2014how is it that the entire Bible is a story on home? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> It\u2019s a beautiful idea; isn\u2019t it?\u2014just to think that the Bible tells one story; you know? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Especially to those of us who have grown up in the church\u2014I can, at least, think of it myself\u2014we didn\u2019t really talk about the one story that the Bible is telling; but when I was writing this book, I was really thinking that the greatest human longing\u2014for all of us\u2014it\u2019s for home. There are reasons for saying that; other people think that, too. But then I thought, \u201cWell, what then\/what does the Bible have to say about home?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I started to think about this kind of three-act story of the Bible\u2014a lot of people will talk about the Bible in terms of these three acts: creation, being Act 1; fall, Act 2; and redemption,\u00a0 Act 3\u2014so I thought, \u201cWell, let\u2019s look at that through the lens of home. Is there anything to learn there?\u201d I thought, \u201cWell, creation: \u2018What\u2019s happening in Act 1 of creation?\u2019\u201d God is making a home for His people, and He is actually making a home for Himself as well; He is intending to share it with us. This inaugurates this story of God wanting to be with His people and dwell with His people. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then, of course, we know that lasts for only two chapters; you know?\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGenesis 1\/Genesis 2\u2014then, we get into Genesis 3, where Adam and Eve disobey the one commandment God\u2019s given them. Of course, we know that the consequence for their sin is death, but it\u2019s also exile. We see, at the end of Genesis 3, they are kicked out of the garden; and they are sent wandering. Then, you skip forward, all the way to John, Chapter 1: \u201cThe Word became flesh and dwelt among us,\u201d\u2014\u201ctabernacled among us\u201d\/\u201dpitched His tent in our neighborhood.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe see this like Act 3 of this story, where what\u2019s happening in the life of Jesus\u2014His person, His work, His death, His resurrection\u2014God\u2019s restoring home to His people, which is, of course, a place. We have a home to look forward to\u2014the new heavens and the new earth\u2014but it\u2019s also about a communion with God. There is no home in the Bible except for the home where God is, so this reconciled relationship that we can have with God through Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s what I mean when I say the Bible tells the story of home. I\u2019m looking at those three acts: home is a gift to humanity; home is something that we lose because of sin; and then, home is something that we regain because of the person and work of Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I want to go back to that longing piece, and just the fact that you can see the Israelites longing, for so long, for home and a comfortable place. I mean, when you think of home, you think of words like \u201cwarmth and welcoming,\u201d and \u201crest and refuge\u201d; and they were looking for that for so long. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think of my ancestors, who came over on the Mayflower; and they didn\u2019t stop moving. They just constantly continued to move; there was this longing and this restlessness. Really, we\u2019re still seeing that, even though we know what God has wanted for us, we\u2019re still seeing that restlessness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> We absolutely are. Even for those of us, who believe the gospel and call ourselves Christians, there is still this very deep longing in us; because we know this world isn\u2019t yet our home. We\u2019re kind of in this tension of the already and the not yet, that right now, we enjoy a communion with God through His Spirit because of the work of Christ; and yet, this world is still such a fragile place. We think about all the ways that the world is fragile. It leaves us longing for a deeper rest and a greater permanence. I think that is always going to come back to Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So Jen, as you have been thinking through this\u2014just about keeping place\/this longing for home\u2014what does the real home really look like? Give us some hope for what we\u2019re shooting for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Oh goodness! Well, there\u2019s home now\u2014right?\u2014and home to come. I really do want to say that, while we\u2019re sort of the saints of hope\u2014you know saints\u2014we can call ourselves \u201csaints\u201d; that\u2019s what Paul calls us\u2014in Hebrews, they are always sort of looking forward to the world that is to come. They know they are waiting on a better world. They\u2019re\/in one sense, this home to come is so important; but this home here and now is, too. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI always think that the Garden\u2014we could say the Garden and the new Jerusalem\u2014these are sort of our templates for what real home looks like and how we long for it. There\u2019s, as we\u2019ve talked about, this connection with God that we could have a house with four bedrooms and two-and-a-half baths. We could have a wonderful marriage; we could have wonderful things about an earthly home; but if we do not have a reconciled relationship with God, we\u2019re <em>not<\/em> going to feel satisfied in those things. So that\u2019s number one: a relationship with God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNumber two: I think home really does speak to <em>place<\/em>\u2014that in the Garden, God gave His people a place; in the new Jerusalem, we have a city\u2014there\u2019s something about geographical belonging and connection, which is really hard in our world, if we were to all be honest. I mean, I\u2019m the product of like corporate transfers; and we moved a lot there. But I do think that, as human beings, we long for connection to our place: that could be to the people on our street; it could be to our neighborhood; to our city. I think that\u2019s a really important part of home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, of course, a non-negotiable of home is also just our relationships with other people. We see that in the Garden; right? Adam and Eve were given the gift of communion with God; they were given the gift of place; and they were also given the gift of just community. We experience home so much in our relationships with other people. It\u2019s why you can make home in a new city as a Christian\u2014in the sense that, well, you might not feel the geographical connection to a new city\u2014you make your home by becoming part of the church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Well, it makes me think of how the church really is foreshadowing our future home. I mean, we\u2019re bearing with one another\u2014just like the \u201c\u2026one anothers\u201d in the New Testament\u2014we\u2019re bearing with one another; we\u2019re forgiving one another; we\u2019re serving one another; we\u2019re loving one another. We\u2019re linking arms with one another, and we don\u2019t get to ditch our friends in the congregation\/our friends in the church; we won\u2019t get to ditch them in heaven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> No. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> In keeping all of this in mind\u2014that our future home is in heaven\u2014how do you raise your children to keep the idea of home here on earth loosely: \u201cWe\u2019re living for heaven, but we\u2019re living here on earth.\u201d How are you unpacking that for them? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Here would be such a simple example, actually happened this morning. When my son opens the cabinet, and looks for the cinnamon sugar to put on his toast, he is frustrated because it is empty. He thinks that somebody else should have filled it up. Of course; right? I said to him, \u201cYou know what? You can fill it up, too.\u201d He said, \u201cBut that\u2019s not fair; whoever emptied it should have filled it.\u201d I said, \u201cBut you know what? You can serve your family just by filling it up.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s such a simple example; but within our family, it\u2019s just like practicing the work of welcome: \u201cHow do we welcome each other?\u201d \u201cHow do we love one another?\u201d All those \u201c\u2026one anothers\u201d you were talking about\u2014encouraging one another, bearing with one another, forgiving one another, confessing to one another\u2014these things that we do within the four walls of our family homes are the things that we, then, do in our church and the things we try to do in our neighborhoods. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s usually in very simple, ordinary ways\u2014that this work of housekeeping, like I like to talk about it\u2014that we long for home, but nobody longs to do the housekeeping; right? We want homes to be made for us: we want to be received; we want to belong. But how do we look out into the world and say: \u201cHow can I help others be welcomed, received, recognized?\u201d \u201cHow can I make others feel safe?\u201d Those are just some easy ideas of how I think about it within my own home life and how I even, beyond that, think about it in my own neighborhood. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Well, Jen, I have appreciated your time. Thank you so much for joining me and encouraging us to remember that our ultimate home is in heaven, but not to forget that our home on earth points to that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes; thanks for having me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You\u2019re welcome. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs we\u2019ve learned today, there should be a certain beauty in our homes on earth; and as I said before, they should offer refuge and safety, a place to welcome and love visitors, a place of belonging. I don\u2019t know about you; but as much as I enjoy my home now or fondly remember the little log house on the prairie that I grew up in, there is still a longing for more\/a feeling of lack that a cable show about the perfect house just can\u2019t fix. It\u2019s a longing for my perfect home in heaven, and that\u2019s a good thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, next week, we\u2019re going to dive into the Easter story. There is going to be bunnies and eggs and soft colors\u2014okay, maybe not\u2014but I\u2019ll be chatting with my favorite children\u2019s author, Sally Lloyd Jones, about sharing the Easter story with little ones. I hope you can join us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, thanks for listening! I want to thank the president of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, David Robbins; along with our co-founder, Dennis Rainey\u2014and our station partners around the country\u2014a big \u201cThank you!\u201d to you guys. And a big \u201cThank you,\u201d to our engineer today, Keith Lynch; our producers, Marques Holt and Bruce Goff. 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