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John Piper says you are skating on thin ice.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> For me to say, \u201cI\u2019m mad at You, God,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014is sinful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And what I should have said was\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> [Emotion in voice] \u201cThis truly hurts; I don\u2019t understand what You\u2019ve done! I don\u2019t get it!\u201d Because you don\u2019t\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014I mean, you\u2019re finite;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014you\u2019re not God! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cIt\u2019s utterly perplexing,\u201d \u201cIt\u2019s baffling; it <em>hurts<\/em>!\u201d\u2014you tell Him it hurts.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, January 26<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019re going to talk with John Piper today about how we should think rightly and respond rightly to what has been called the, sometimes, \u201cfrowning providence of God.\u201d Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. There was a book that came out many years ago. This was one of the first books I remember seeing as a Christian. It described me; the title of the book described me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, boy!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It was a book called\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I have a lot of titles going through my head right now! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This was a book titled <em>Your God Is Too Small<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014<em>Too Small.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You remember that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> J.B. Phillips?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s right. And my God\u2014in those early days of understanding Him\u2014was too small. I have to tell you\u2014it wasn\u2019t until I had somebody sit down and point me to the passages in Scripture that talk about the sovereignty of God, that I started to go, \u201cOh, He is <em>much <\/em>bigger than I realized\u201d; and also pointed me to the reality of my own sinfulness, which was deeper than I thought it was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was a revolutionary turning point for me\u2014to see that God was much bigger than I realized. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I think if anyone would comment on my preaching in 30-plus years\u2014if they ever listened; you know, you wonder, \u201cIs anybody out there listening?\u201d\u2014and they could recount the big idea of my life, they\u2019d say\/I think that\u2019s the thing I keep going back to\u2014it\u2019s: \u201cThe size of your God will determine the outcome of your life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I always used to think, you know, it is the size of your faith. It\u2019s not the size of your faith; you can have mustard seed faith. It\u2019s the size\u2014and really, the character and understanding: \u201cWho is God?\u201d\u2014when you understand, not just how vast, and majestic, and big He is\u2014but the heart of who God is\u2014it literally changes every second of your life. That\u2019s why I say it determines the outcome of your life: \u201cWho is God?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And that\u2019s what we\u2019re probing this week as we get to spend time\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We\u2019re going deep!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We are spending time with Dr. John Piper, who\u2019s joining us again. Dr. Piper, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Thank you; good to be back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I am trusting that our listeners don\u2019t need to know your bio\/that they are familiar with your books, with your teaching, with your years of pastoral ministry at Bethlehem Baptist Church. You\u2019ve just written this 700-page book on the subject of providence. The majority of the book is the practical application of the issue of providence in our lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou are pretty comprehensive. All of these questions seem to come back to that basic theodicy question that has plagued all of us from the beginning of time: \u201cIf God is all-powerful, if God is all-loving, if God is all-good, how can bad things happen to the people He has created?\u201d Do you have a satisfactory answer for that in your own heart?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> In my own heart I do, but whether it satisfies others is another question. I think we need to just step back, and sketch the big picture, and pick one\u2014how many texts could you choose?\u2014[Genesis 1:1] \u201cOnce, there was only God\u201d; He is absolute reality. John Piper is absolutely and totally dependent. I don\u2019t dictate to God <em>anything<\/em>. I am not His counselor; He\u2019s my Counselor. I am sinful; I am fallible; I am finite; I am culturally controlled. For me to get in God\u2019s face and tell Him what is right and wrong is <em>infinitely <\/em>absurd! That\u2019s where I start: I have to be a learner when it comes to the world that\u2019s out there, and what God is\/who He is; what He has done. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe creates a world. And that world, by His\/I would say, by His purposeful permission\u2014which a lot of people consider that phrase a contradiction: \u201cby His purposeful permission\u201d\u2014the world crashes and burns in sin. Every human being, since Adam and Eve, is born a child of wrath (Ephesians 2:3)\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014under the just judgment of God so that He can do them no wrong, because they don\u2019t deserve anything but judgment anyway. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe brings into that world a saving purpose. Jesus Christ is presented, in the Bible\u2014in His life and death, especially, in resurrection\u2014as the apex of the grace of God. When Christ died\u2014the <em>Son of God <\/em>taking my sins upon Him as an innocent, infinitely valuable being, and dying the most excruciating of deaths\u2014when that happens, ultimate evil and ultimate grace meet. God is shown to be what He could not be shown to be any other way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn a sense, I would say: \u201cThe fall happened\u2014Lucifer rebelled\u2014sin entered the universe; and all the calamities and catastrophes came with it that there might be Jesus Christ, crucified and risen, saving millions of people for Himself. In Ephesians 1:6, it says, \u201cHe predestined us for adoption as sons to Himself through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of His will unto the praise of the glory of His grace.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cUnto the praise of the glory of His grace,\u201d\u2014that grace came to a climax in the most horrible, wicked, sinful suffering\/evil act in the universe\u2014it couldn\u2019t have happened without evil. There would be no Jesus, no cross, and no salvation; and no display of all dimensions of God without that. Paul says as much, for example, in Romans 9:20: \u201cIf God, desiring to show His power and His wrath, endured with much patience the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,\u201d it just wouldn\u2019t have happened\/that revelation wouldn\u2019t have happened. The ultimate answer is: \u201cThere is evil because\u2014in a universe, where there is real evil, real guilt, real judgment\u2014there is a real, fuller revelation of the glory of God.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There\u2019s a revelatory purpose, but there\u2019s also a providential purpose in the fact that evil will one day be vanquished <em>totally<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Yes; Hebrews 2:14: \u201cHe defeated the devil in whose hands is the power of death.\u201d People had been held in <em>bondage<\/em> to that fear all their lives long. The cross was the decisive battle against evil; and ultimately, evil will be cast into outer darkness, called \u201chell.\u201d The new heavens and the new earth will have no evil; they will only have righteousness and peace forever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting when you\u2014obviously, you wrote about this\u2014when you think about the character of God and the reality of evil in conjunction with one another, it can be an intellectual pursuit; it\u2019s like, \u201cI can try and understand that.\u201d But when it gets personal\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014when the evil is in your own life\u2014cancer, a wife\/a spouse dies, any evil\u2014that\u2019s where it gets really hard to join together the providence and the sovereignty of God, and the evil that I\u2019m experiencing in my life, unless I understand the heart and character of God. Even when I do, it\u2019s still hard; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> When it gets personal, it\u2019s another deal!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Absolutely; the fact that all things are controlled by God creates problems for us: painful beliefs and it creates solutions to problems. I\u2019ll give you an example of what I mean: when your spouse gets cancer, and you walk that line, and they die, you feel, \u201cWow! God, I don\u2019t understand all the specifics of why You did that. That was the most painful thing You could have done to me.\u201d I think talking like that is perfectly appropriate. That\u2019s what Job said: \u201cThe Lord gave\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> I mean, his ten children were killed by a wind; and he said, \u201cThe Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away. Blessed be the name of the Lord.\u201d To talk that way is a godly way to talk. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it doesn\u2019t just\u2014the providence of God doesn\u2019t just create problems\u2014she now has, what?\u201430 years to live: \u201cHow will she live?\u201d \u201cHow will she survive?\u201d \u201cHow will she handle the first ten weeks?\u2014and then the ten years?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have a good friend, whose husband was just <em>snatched <\/em>away from her like that, two years ago\/62 years old. She now has a beautiful ministry to widows, strengthening the hands of widows all over the Twin Cities and, really, beyond that. The answer to that\u2014\u201cHow will you survive?\u201d\u2014is the very providence that took him. If you were to throw away the providence\u2014because you don\u2019t like the fact that: \u201cIt took my husband,\u201d\u2014you\u2019d throw away the very power, and sovereignty, and goodness of God that enables you to survive <em>everything<\/em> you deal with in life. True saints, who have not thought, you know, big, high, deep thoughts about providence\u2014that\u2019s exactly where they are! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember one grandmom one time\u2014well, she wasn\u2019t yet a grandmom when this happened\u2014she didn\u2019t like my theology; okay?\u2014we won\u2019t even name it. [Laughter] But she didn\u2019t like this big sovereign God theology. Her 16-year-old son was killed in a car accident. Her first and innate response was, \u201cI trust You, God. You are a good God. You made no mistake.\u201d She didn\u2019t have all the articulate, biblical foundations that I try to provide for a statement like that; but she\u2019s born again, and she knows deep in her soul, better than her head knows, that the God she worships is in charge of railroad crossings and sons who are careless.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, who would you rather have run the world?\u2014Satan or God? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The question comes up\u2014we were coming here yesterday\u2014driving to the airport. We got a text\u2014Ann and I both\u2014from a mutual friend, whose daughter has just passed\/32-years-old\u2014three months ago, maybe\u2014husband [the friend\u2019s husband] has ALS, and it\u2019s digressing. Her text to us\u2014and really to Ann, because Ann lost her sister 21 years ago this week\u2014she said, \u201cAnn, how do I pray? I prayed that God would heal my daughter in the hospital; He didn\u2019t. I prayed, when my husband went to the doctor today, that the ALS would be stabilized; and it\u2019s progressing worse. I feel like God doesn\u2019t hear. God\u2019s in control anyway; it doesn\u2019t matter what I pray. His sovereignty is already determined, so it feels pointless.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Yes; how I\u2019m going to talk to her will depend on where she is emotionally at the moment\u2014because I have biblically, theologically rigorous answers to the question, \u201cWhy pray if God is sovereign?\u201d; but then, I have experiential, more gut-wrenching things to say of my experience over here\u2014so if she said, \u201cI just need to figure out, theoretically and biblically, how does it work?!\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014then I\u2019m going to give her one answer. If she says, \u201cI don\u2019t know if I can even wake up to be a Christian tomorrow morning, because I\u2019m just done praying,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s going to be another.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> And I would say, to the first, because it\u2019s the most existentially ripping: \u201cYou\u2019re walking through something I would guess every honest believer has walked through. If they\u2019re dishonest, they cover it up\u2014they\u2019re afraid to say it\u2014because they\u2019re not sure God answers prayer.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> But I certainly have been there. I mean, any guy who has unbelieving children, deals with <em>that<\/em> issue, probably more urgently than the death from cancer. Everybody dies, [emotion in voice] but heaven and hell in the balance? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say, \u201cYou know, Jesus seemed to know that prayer\u2019s going to be a problem; because He told two parables. He told them this parable to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart.\u201d Why would He say <em>that<\/em>?\u2014because you lose heart! You\u2019ve asked\/you\u2019ve knocked on this Judge\u2019s door so long: \u201cIt\u2019s midnight; they keep knocking on my <em>door<\/em>!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say to her, \u201cI don\u2019t know why; I don\u2019t know why, in your case and in my case, we\u2019ve had to knock so long; but I do know it\u2019s not a surprise. In the Bible, it\u2019s there,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s the first thing I would say\u2014an empathetic effort to say, \u201cThe Bible and I know what you\u2019re talking about. We\u2019re going to walk through this together. I\u2019m not going to give up on you. I\u2019m not going to let you fall away from Jesus, because of this crisis. I\u2019m going to stand with you; I\u2019m going to point you to Scripture and promises.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then, the second thing I would say is: \u201cYou know, it says in John 15:7, \u2018If My words abide in you, and you abide in Me, ask whatever you will, and it will be yours.\u2019\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes! What about that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Yes, what about that? [Laughter] My answer is: \u201cWhat does it mean?\u2014\u2018If My words abide in you?\u2019\u2014because it says, over in 1 John 5, \u2018Ask whatever you will, according to His will, and we know that He hears you. And if He hears you, you have what you ask.\u2019 Why would He stick in the qualification in 1 John 5, and not stick it in that way in John 15:7?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy answer to that is\u2014and I\u2019d try to make this really personal in talking to her\u2014I would say, \u201cWhat does it mean to have the Word of God abiding in you right now?\u2014all the words of God with regard to His sovereignty over life and death: \u2018If the Lord wills, we will live and do this or that,\u2019\u2014James 4:15. He ultimately governs the number of our days; He ultimately governs whether we live or die. And He has chosen to take your loved one.\u201d You have <em>that<\/em> sovereign vision of reality abiding in you, governing the expectations of the way you ask in prayer. That\u2019s the way I think the verse works\u2014what abides in you is all the teachings of Jesus about the sovereignty of God and His own control of all things\u2014and therefore, you don\u2019t pretend to be God when you pray.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would just say to her: \u201cYou can\u2019t see it <em>yet<\/em>\u2014how good will come from this\u2014but I can give you, from the Bible, four or five places, where the kind of good that will come from this is taught\u2014for your good, for the good of those around you\u2014\u2018This slight momentary affliction is working for you an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison.\u2019 Be patient and ask God to show you that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s what I had told Debbie: \u201cWhen I found myself mourning and angry with God for taking my sister\u201d\u2014who was 45\/4 young children\u2014\u201cI remember being on my knees in the bathroom, crying out to God, saying, \u2018It makes no sense to me! This was a <em>bad plan, <\/em>God. I don\u2019t understand it. I\u2019m mad at You for it. I\u2019m not seeing how her kids will grow up well under her husband.\u2019 As I was praying and venting, and letting God know how I felt, I also had this awareness. I came to this point of saying, \u2018But I will surrender all that I am\u2014all of my pain\/my anger\u2014all of it! I lay it at Your feet, because I trust You, and I know that You love me. I know that You love her.\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd with that, because of that foundation of knowing His love, what I told Debbie, our friend, is that: \u201cGod loves you. Vent it; tell God what you feel. He loves you so much! That\u2019s our foundation of knowing that we can trust a God that knows more than we do. We can\u2019t understand it, but He loves us.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s David\u2019s pattern in the Psalms.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cLord, how long will You forget me? How long will You allow Your enemies to triumph over me?\u201d But he always comes back: \u201cOn your kindness, I rely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cI will exalt over Your [salvation]. I will sing unto the Lord.\u201d I think you\u2019re on good biblical ground with that kind of advice.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI do think, John, it\u2019s important\u2014when we vent\u2014there\u2019s a right way and a wrong way to be emotionally expressive before the Lord; right? We have to be careful in our emotional honesty.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014such as Job?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Yes; God can handle anything we give Him, but we shouldn\u2019t give Him <em>anything<\/em>. I would say, it\u2019s a sin to be angry at God; and you should repent. But if you feel angry, you should say it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> There\u2019s no point in compounding the sin of anger at God with hypocrisy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Duplicity; yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> I don\u2019t ever encourage people to be angry at God\u2014lots of people do today\u2014they <em>encourage<\/em> anger at God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLament is a big word; and I\u2019m fine with the word, \u201clament\u201d; because it means \u201cto grieve.\u201d This is a world we should grieve over; but anything that approaches blaming God\u2014disapproving of God\/anger at God\u2014we\u2019re crossing a line from submitting to God, and feeling hurt and grieved by God, into the disapproval and indictment of God\u2014that\u2019s evil\u2014to indict God with evil\/to indict God with blame is sin.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> For me to say, \u201cI\u2019m mad at You, God\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014is sinful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And what I should have said was\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u201cThis truly hurts. [Emotion in voice] I don\u2019t understand what You\u2019ve done! I don\u2019t get it!\u201d Because you don\u2019t\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014I mean, you\u2019re finite\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014you\u2019re not God! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cIt\u2019s utterly perplexing,\u201d \u201cIt\u2019s baffling; it <em>hurts<\/em>!\u201d\u2014you tell Him it hurts.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And if you are mad at God, you say, \u201cI\u2019m mad at You, God\u201d; but you repent of being mad at God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014because that shouldn\u2019t be your posture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> It\u2019s sin.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Anger at God is a sin in the <em>heart<\/em>, not a sin in the mouth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> In the mouth, you\u2019re just being honest.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> And honest is good! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is why people are going to want\u2014these kinds of issues and questions\u2014why you want to have, on your bookshelf, a 700-page book on Providence\u2014right?\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right beside the Bible! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014so you can go through the Bible\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014under the Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, underneath the Bible. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014so you can go, in these moments,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Tested <em>by <\/em>the Bible! Pull the Bible <em>first<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Make sure the Bible\u2019s first.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Absolutely right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, there are 3,000 Scripture references in the book\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014so there\u2019s a lot of Bible in this book. But in those moments, where this is what you\u2019re feeling, and you don\u2019t know what to do with it, you go to the index and say, \u201cWhat do I do with the loss of a loved one?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And John said earlier, \u201cThere\u2019s not a person that doesn\u2019t deal with these issues,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014almost daily.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You can go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, to order your copy of the book, <em>Providence<\/em>, by John Piper. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com. If you\u2019d rather call to order, the number is 800-FL-TODAY\u2014800-358-6329\u2014800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d The book by Dr. John Piper is simply called <em>Providence. <\/em>Get your copy today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I\u2019m guessing, for many of our listeners, the last 12 months for your marriage and family have had a few stresses and strains that have been unusual. I think all of us have felt the stress and strain of a global pandemic\/the stresses and strains of making adjustments to kind of a new normal. I think, for many of us, our marriages have kind of been set aside for a season while we focus on other things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s a problem with that; we\u2019ve learned this over the years: when we set our marriage aside, we start to drift apart as a couple. And so, at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, we\u2019ve been working on a resource designed to help couples move back toward one another. It\u2019s a resource we\u2019re calling <em>Dates to Remember<\/em>. Any of you, who have been to one of our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>getaways, you know that the getaway is all about pursuing oneness in marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have taken some of the key ideas from the getaway and put them together in three dates that a couple can have together, where they can interact with one another, have some important conversations, and grow closer together as a couple. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to find out more about the new <em>Dates to Remember <\/em>date box. You can order it from us at FamilyLifeToday.com, or you can call if you have any questions or if you\u2019d like to order by phone. Again, the number is 1-800-FL-TODAY.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we want to talk about how our own sinful choices work together with God\u2019s providence: \u201cHow do those two intersect and interact?\u201d John Piper will join us, again, tomorrow. We hope you can join us as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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Dave and Ann Wilson discuss with pastor and author John Piper how God's sovereignty and grace are in all things.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2021-01-26.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In the middle of very difficult circumstances, have you ever found yourself mad at God? John Piper says you are skating on thin ice.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> For me to say, \u201cI\u2019m mad at You, God,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014is sinful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And what I should have said was\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> [Emotion in voice] \u201cThis truly hurts; I don\u2019t understand what You\u2019ve done! I don\u2019t get it!\u201d Because you don\u2019t\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014I mean, you\u2019re finite;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014you\u2019re not God! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cIt\u2019s utterly perplexing,\u201d \u201cIt\u2019s baffling; it <em>hurts<\/em>!\u201d\u2014you tell Him it hurts.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, January 26<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019re going to talk with John Piper today about how we should think rightly and respond rightly to what has been called the, sometimes, \u201cfrowning providence of God.\u201d Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. There was a book that came out many years ago. This was one of the first books I remember seeing as a Christian. It described me; the title of the book described me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, boy!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It was a book called\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I have a lot of titles going through my head right now! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This was a book titled <em>Your God Is Too Small<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014<em>Too Small.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You remember that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> J.B. Phillips?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s right. And my God\u2014in those early days of understanding Him\u2014was too small. I have to tell you\u2014it wasn\u2019t until I had somebody sit down and point me to the passages in Scripture that talk about the sovereignty of God, that I started to go, \u201cOh, He is <em>much <\/em>bigger than I realized\u201d; and also pointed me to the reality of my own sinfulness, which was deeper than I thought it was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was a revolutionary turning point for me\u2014to see that God was much bigger than I realized. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I think if anyone would comment on my preaching in 30-plus years\u2014if they ever listened; you know, you wonder, \u201cIs anybody out there listening?\u201d\u2014and they could recount the big idea of my life, they\u2019d say\/I think that\u2019s the thing I keep going back to\u2014it\u2019s: \u201cThe size of your God will determine the outcome of your life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And I always used to think, you know, it is the size of your faith. It\u2019s not the size of your faith; you can have mustard seed faith. It\u2019s the size\u2014and really, the character and understanding: \u201cWho is God?\u201d\u2014when you understand, not just how vast, and majestic, and big He is\u2014but the heart of who God is\u2014it literally changes every second of your life. That\u2019s why I say it determines the outcome of your life: \u201cWho is God?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And that\u2019s what we\u2019re probing this week as we get to spend time\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We\u2019re going deep!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We are spending time with Dr. John Piper, who\u2019s joining us again. Dr. Piper, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Thank you; good to be back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I am trusting that our listeners don\u2019t need to know your bio\/that they are familiar with your books, with your teaching, with your years of pastoral ministry at Bethlehem Baptist Church. You\u2019ve just written this 700-page book on the subject of providence. The majority of the book is the practical application of the issue of providence in our lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou are pretty comprehensive. All of these questions seem to come back to that basic theodicy question that has plagued all of us from the beginning of time: \u201cIf God is all-powerful, if God is all-loving, if God is all-good, how can bad things happen to the people He has created?\u201d Do you have a satisfactory answer for that in your own heart?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> In my own heart I do, but whether it satisfies others is another question. I think we need to just step back, and sketch the big picture, and pick one\u2014how many texts could you choose?\u2014[Genesis 1:1] \u201cOnce, there was only God\u201d; He is absolute reality. John Piper is absolutely and totally dependent. I don\u2019t dictate to God <em>anything<\/em>. I am not His counselor; He\u2019s my Counselor. I am sinful; I am fallible; I am finite; I am culturally controlled. For me to get in God\u2019s face and tell Him what is right and wrong is <em>infinitely <\/em>absurd! That\u2019s where I start: I have to be a learner when it comes to the world that\u2019s out there, and what God is\/who He is; what He has done. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe creates a world. And that world, by His\/I would say, by His purposeful permission\u2014which a lot of people consider that phrase a contradiction: \u201cby His purposeful permission\u201d\u2014the world crashes and burns in sin. Every human being, since Adam and Eve, is born a child of wrath (Ephesians 2:3)\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014under the just judgment of God so that He can do them no wrong, because they don\u2019t deserve anything but judgment anyway. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe brings into that world a saving purpose. Jesus Christ is presented, in the Bible\u2014in His life and death, especially, in resurrection\u2014as the apex of the grace of God. When Christ died\u2014the <em>Son of God <\/em>taking my sins upon Him as an innocent, infinitely valuable being, and dying the most excruciating of deaths\u2014when that happens, ultimate evil and ultimate grace meet. God is shown to be what He could not be shown to be any other way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn a sense, I would say: \u201cThe fall happened\u2014Lucifer rebelled\u2014sin entered the universe; and all the calamities and catastrophes came with it that there might be Jesus Christ, crucified and risen, saving millions of people for Himself. In Ephesians 1:6, it says, \u201cHe predestined us for adoption as sons to Himself through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of His will unto the praise of the glory of His grace.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cUnto the praise of the glory of His grace,\u201d\u2014that grace came to a climax in the most horrible, wicked, sinful suffering\/evil act in the universe\u2014it couldn\u2019t have happened without evil. There would be no Jesus, no cross, and no salvation; and no display of all dimensions of God without that. Paul says as much, for example, in Romans 9:20: \u201cIf God, desiring to show His power and His wrath, endured with much patience the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,\u201d it just wouldn\u2019t have happened\/that revelation wouldn\u2019t have happened. The ultimate answer is: \u201cThere is evil because\u2014in a universe, where there is real evil, real guilt, real judgment\u2014there is a real, fuller revelation of the glory of God.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There\u2019s a revelatory purpose, but there\u2019s also a providential purpose in the fact that evil will one day be vanquished <em>totally<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Yes; Hebrews 2:14: \u201cHe defeated the devil in whose hands is the power of death.\u201d People had been held in <em>bondage<\/em> to that fear all their lives long. The cross was the decisive battle against evil; and ultimately, evil will be cast into outer darkness, called \u201chell.\u201d The new heavens and the new earth will have no evil; they will only have righteousness and peace forever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting when you\u2014obviously, you wrote about this\u2014when you think about the character of God and the reality of evil in conjunction with one another, it can be an intellectual pursuit; it\u2019s like, \u201cI can try and understand that.\u201d But when it gets personal\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014when the evil is in your own life\u2014cancer, a wife\/a spouse dies, any evil\u2014that\u2019s where it gets really hard to join together the providence and the sovereignty of God, and the evil that I\u2019m experiencing in my life, unless I understand the heart and character of God. Even when I do, it\u2019s still hard; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> When it gets personal, it\u2019s another deal!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Absolutely; the fact that all things are controlled by God creates problems for us: painful beliefs and it creates solutions to problems. I\u2019ll give you an example of what I mean: when your spouse gets cancer, and you walk that line, and they die, you feel, \u201cWow! God, I don\u2019t understand all the specifics of why You did that. That was the most painful thing You could have done to me.\u201d I think talking like that is perfectly appropriate. That\u2019s what Job said: \u201cThe Lord gave\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> I mean, his ten children were killed by a wind; and he said, \u201cThe Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away. Blessed be the name of the Lord.\u201d To talk that way is a godly way to talk. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it doesn\u2019t just\u2014the providence of God doesn\u2019t just create problems\u2014she now has, what?\u201430 years to live: \u201cHow will she live?\u201d \u201cHow will she survive?\u201d \u201cHow will she handle the first ten weeks?\u2014and then the ten years?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have a good friend, whose husband was just <em>snatched <\/em>away from her like that, two years ago\/62 years old. She now has a beautiful ministry to widows, strengthening the hands of widows all over the Twin Cities and, really, beyond that. The answer to that\u2014\u201cHow will you survive?\u201d\u2014is the very providence that took him. If you were to throw away the providence\u2014because you don\u2019t like the fact that: \u201cIt took my husband,\u201d\u2014you\u2019d throw away the very power, and sovereignty, and goodness of God that enables you to survive <em>everything<\/em> you deal with in life. True saints, who have not thought, you know, big, high, deep thoughts about providence\u2014that\u2019s exactly where they are! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember one grandmom one time\u2014well, she wasn\u2019t yet a grandmom when this happened\u2014she didn\u2019t like my theology; okay?\u2014we won\u2019t even name it. [Laughter] But she didn\u2019t like this big sovereign God theology. Her 16-year-old son was killed in a car accident. Her first and innate response was, \u201cI trust You, God. You are a good God. You made no mistake.\u201d She didn\u2019t have all the articulate, biblical foundations that I try to provide for a statement like that; but she\u2019s born again, and she knows deep in her soul, better than her head knows, that the God she worships is in charge of railroad crossings and sons who are careless.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, who would you rather have run the world?\u2014Satan or God? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The question comes up\u2014we were coming here yesterday\u2014driving to the airport. We got a text\u2014Ann and I both\u2014from a mutual friend, whose daughter has just passed\/32-years-old\u2014three months ago, maybe\u2014husband [the friend\u2019s husband] has ALS, and it\u2019s digressing. Her text to us\u2014and really to Ann, because Ann lost her sister 21 years ago this week\u2014she said, \u201cAnn, how do I pray? I prayed that God would heal my daughter in the hospital; He didn\u2019t. I prayed, when my husband went to the doctor today, that the ALS would be stabilized; and it\u2019s progressing worse. I feel like God doesn\u2019t hear. God\u2019s in control anyway; it doesn\u2019t matter what I pray. His sovereignty is already determined, so it feels pointless.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Yes; how I\u2019m going to talk to her will depend on where she is emotionally at the moment\u2014because I have biblically, theologically rigorous answers to the question, \u201cWhy pray if God is sovereign?\u201d; but then, I have experiential, more gut-wrenching things to say of my experience over here\u2014so if she said, \u201cI just need to figure out, theoretically and biblically, how does it work?!\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014then I\u2019m going to give her one answer. If she says, \u201cI don\u2019t know if I can even wake up to be a Christian tomorrow morning, because I\u2019m just done praying,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s going to be another.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> And I would say, to the first, because it\u2019s the most existentially ripping: \u201cYou\u2019re walking through something I would guess every honest believer has walked through. If they\u2019re dishonest, they cover it up\u2014they\u2019re afraid to say it\u2014because they\u2019re not sure God answers prayer.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> But I certainly have been there. I mean, any guy who has unbelieving children, deals with <em>that<\/em> issue, probably more urgently than the death from cancer. Everybody dies, [emotion in voice] but heaven and hell in the balance? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say, \u201cYou know, Jesus seemed to know that prayer\u2019s going to be a problem; because He told two parables. He told them this parable to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart.\u201d Why would He say <em>that<\/em>?\u2014because you lose heart! You\u2019ve asked\/you\u2019ve knocked on this Judge\u2019s door so long: \u201cIt\u2019s midnight; they keep knocking on my <em>door<\/em>!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say to her, \u201cI don\u2019t know why; I don\u2019t know why, in your case and in my case, we\u2019ve had to knock so long; but I do know it\u2019s not a surprise. In the Bible, it\u2019s there,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s the first thing I would say\u2014an empathetic effort to say, \u201cThe Bible and I know what you\u2019re talking about. We\u2019re going to walk through this together. I\u2019m not going to give up on you. I\u2019m not going to let you fall away from Jesus, because of this crisis. I\u2019m going to stand with you; I\u2019m going to point you to Scripture and promises.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then, the second thing I would say is: \u201cYou know, it says in John 15:7, \u2018If My words abide in you, and you abide in Me, ask whatever you will, and it will be yours.\u2019\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes! What about that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Yes, what about that? [Laughter] My answer is: \u201cWhat does it mean?\u2014\u2018If My words abide in you?\u2019\u2014because it says, over in 1 John 5, \u2018Ask whatever you will, according to His will, and we know that He hears you. And if He hears you, you have what you ask.\u2019 Why would He stick in the qualification in 1 John 5, and not stick it in that way in John 15:7?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy answer to that is\u2014and I\u2019d try to make this really personal in talking to her\u2014I would say, \u201cWhat does it mean to have the Word of God abiding in you right now?\u2014all the words of God with regard to His sovereignty over life and death: \u2018If the Lord wills, we will live and do this or that,\u2019\u2014James 4:15. He ultimately governs the number of our days; He ultimately governs whether we live or die. And He has chosen to take your loved one.\u201d You have <em>that<\/em> sovereign vision of reality abiding in you, governing the expectations of the way you ask in prayer. That\u2019s the way I think the verse works\u2014what abides in you is all the teachings of Jesus about the sovereignty of God and His own control of all things\u2014and therefore, you don\u2019t pretend to be God when you pray.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would just say to her: \u201cYou can\u2019t see it <em>yet<\/em>\u2014how good will come from this\u2014but I can give you, from the Bible, four or five places, where the kind of good that will come from this is taught\u2014for your good, for the good of those around you\u2014\u2018This slight momentary affliction is working for you an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison.\u2019 Be patient and ask God to show you that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s what I had told Debbie: \u201cWhen I found myself mourning and angry with God for taking my sister\u201d\u2014who was 45\/4 young children\u2014\u201cI remember being on my knees in the bathroom, crying out to God, saying, \u2018It makes no sense to me! This was a <em>bad plan, <\/em>God. I don\u2019t understand it. I\u2019m mad at You for it. I\u2019m not seeing how her kids will grow up well under her husband.\u2019 As I was praying and venting, and letting God know how I felt, I also had this awareness. I came to this point of saying, \u2018But I will surrender all that I am\u2014all of my pain\/my anger\u2014all of it! I lay it at Your feet, because I trust You, and I know that You love me. I know that You love her.\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd with that, because of that foundation of knowing His love, what I told Debbie, our friend, is that: \u201cGod loves you. Vent it; tell God what you feel. He loves you so much! That\u2019s our foundation of knowing that we can trust a God that knows more than we do. We can\u2019t understand it, but He loves us.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s David\u2019s pattern in the Psalms.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cLord, how long will You forget me? How long will You allow Your enemies to triumph over me?\u201d But he always comes back: \u201cOn your kindness, I rely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cI will exalt over Your [salvation]. I will sing unto the Lord.\u201d I think you\u2019re on good biblical ground with that kind of advice.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI do think, John, it\u2019s important\u2014when we vent\u2014there\u2019s a right way and a wrong way to be emotionally expressive before the Lord; right? We have to be careful in our emotional honesty.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014such as Job?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Yes; God can handle anything we give Him, but we shouldn\u2019t give Him <em>anything<\/em>. I would say, it\u2019s a sin to be angry at God; and you should repent. But if you feel angry, you should say it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> There\u2019s no point in compounding the sin of anger at God with hypocrisy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Duplicity; yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> I don\u2019t ever encourage people to be angry at God\u2014lots of people do today\u2014they <em>encourage<\/em> anger at God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLament is a big word; and I\u2019m fine with the word, \u201clament\u201d; because it means \u201cto grieve.\u201d This is a world we should grieve over; but anything that approaches blaming God\u2014disapproving of God\/anger at God\u2014we\u2019re crossing a line from submitting to God, and feeling hurt and grieved by God, into the disapproval and indictment of God\u2014that\u2019s evil\u2014to indict God with evil\/to indict God with blame is sin.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> For me to say, \u201cI\u2019m mad at You, God\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014is sinful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And what I should have said was\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u201cThis truly hurts. [Emotion in voice] I don\u2019t understand what You\u2019ve done! I don\u2019t get it!\u201d Because you don\u2019t\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014I mean, you\u2019re finite\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014you\u2019re not God! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cIt\u2019s utterly perplexing,\u201d \u201cIt\u2019s baffling; it <em>hurts<\/em>!\u201d\u2014you tell Him it hurts.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And if you are mad at God, you say, \u201cI\u2019m mad at You, God\u201d; but you repent of being mad at God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014because that shouldn\u2019t be your posture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> It\u2019s sin.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Anger at God is a sin in the <em>heart<\/em>, not a sin in the mouth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> In the mouth, you\u2019re just being honest.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> And honest is good! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is why people are going to want\u2014these kinds of issues and questions\u2014why you want to have, on your bookshelf, a 700-page book on Providence\u2014right?\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right beside the Bible! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014so you can go through the Bible\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> \u2014under the Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, underneath the Bible. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014so you can go, in these moments,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Tested <em>by <\/em>the Bible! Pull the Bible <em>first<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Make sure the Bible\u2019s first.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> Absolutely right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, there are 3,000 Scripture references in the book\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014so there\u2019s a lot of Bible in this book. But in those moments, where this is what you\u2019re feeling, and you don\u2019t know what to do with it, you go to the index and say, \u201cWhat do I do with the loss of a loved one?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And John said earlier, \u201cThere\u2019s not a person that doesn\u2019t deal with these issues,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dr. Piper:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014almost daily.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You can go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, to order your copy of the book, <em>Providence<\/em>, by John Piper. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com. If you\u2019d rather call to order, the number is 800-FL-TODAY\u2014800-358-6329\u2014800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d The book by Dr. John Piper is simply called <em>Providence. <\/em>Get your copy today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I\u2019m guessing, for many of our listeners, the last 12 months for your marriage and family have had a few stresses and strains that have been unusual. I think all of us have felt the stress and strain of a global pandemic\/the stresses and strains of making adjustments to kind of a new normal. I think, for many of us, our marriages have kind of been set aside for a season while we focus on other things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s a problem with that; we\u2019ve learned this over the years: when we set our marriage aside, we start to drift apart as a couple. And so, at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, we\u2019ve been working on a resource designed to help couples move back toward one another. It\u2019s a resource we\u2019re calling <em>Dates to Remember<\/em>. Any of you, who have been to one of our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>getaways, you know that the getaway is all about pursuing oneness in marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have taken some of the key ideas from the getaway and put them together in three dates that a couple can have together, where they can interact with one another, have some important conversations, and grow closer together as a couple. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to find out more about the new <em>Dates to Remember <\/em>date box. You can order it from us at FamilyLifeToday.com, or you can call if you have any questions or if you\u2019d like to order by phone. 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