{"id":306669,"date":"2021-01-08T07:00:06","date_gmt":"2021-01-08T12:00:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/faith-marriage-and-nfl-life\/"},"modified":"2021-01-08T07:00:06","modified_gmt":"2021-01-08T12:00:06","slug":"faith-marriage-and-nfl-life","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/faith-marriage-and-nfl-life\/","title":{"rendered":"Faith, Marriage, and NFL Life"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What does it look like to live out a Christian faith and marriage in the NFL? 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Kirk Cousins, the quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings, disagrees.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>I look back, and I don\u2019t think I\u2019m going to be playing nine years in the NFL if I\u2019m not a Christian. I mean, football is a grind, and it\u2019s physically tough; it\u2019s emotionally tough; it\u2019s mentally tough. Christians are the most physically, mentally, emotionally tough people that I know; so football tends to lend itself well to being a Christian, and surviving and lasting in the sport, quite frankly. I think it\u2019s been a huge asset for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, the number of times I would have given up if I didn\u2019t believe that God had a plan and was going to use things for my good\u2014I would have just walked away and said, \u201cI don\u2019t need this,\u201d\u2014but I believe that God was using it\/that God had brought me to this point for a reason. He gave me a gift, and I am to steward it and trust Him with the rest. That\u2019s what kept me going.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, January 8<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. How do personal faith and football\u2014or any kind of professional athletics\u2014how do those mix? We\u2019re going to talk about that today with Minnesota Vikings\u2019 quarterback, Kirk Cousins, and his wife, Julie. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Broadcasting from Minneapolis, Minnesota]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I grew up in St. Louis. When I was a kid, our football team in St. Louis was the St. Louis Football Cardinals.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; now the Arizona Cardinals.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>You don\u2019t want to tell us what year that was; do you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It was a long time ago. [Laughter] I still have\u2014I\u2019ve got at home\/at our house a St. Louis Football Cardinal trashcan somewhere in our house; it goes way back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, of course, St. Louis got the Rams for awhile; and now St. Louis has nobody. People will say, \u201cDo you have a team that you cheer for?\u201d Over the years, I have just kind of cheered for\u2014\u201cWho are the people I want to be cheering for in the NFL?\u201d\u2014I was a Tony Dungy fan\u2014right?\u2014during the middle of his stuff. Anytime I hear about somebody, like a Carson Wentz, or people who are focused on the glory of God, I start cheering for them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve been cheering for our guest since Michigan State. Glad to have him on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; and you know, my 33 years in the league\u2014there are very few, actually, in 33 years, who come through and understand their role is not just to win football games\u2014but the couple we have today understood that from before you even got in the NFL. Kirk and Julie Cousins are here with us today\u2014quarterback of the Minnesota Vikings\u2014future Super Bowl winners; right? [Laughter] We don\u2019t know what year\u2014maybe this year\u2014you never know!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s a pleasure to have you here; because Kirk, you\/I knew you when you were a little boy. I\u2019ve <em>always<\/em> seen this perspective: I remember watching the Big Ten\u2014I don\u2019t know what you call it\/the pre-season little banquet they did in Chicago, I think\u2014and watching your speech, because it ended up on YouTube. I remember watching that, going, \u201cThere\u2019s no way a young man of 18 years old has this kind of maturity.\u201d But you already had it; you knew, \u201cI\u2019m not just a football player; it\u2019s bigger than that. God is doing something bigger than just football.\u201d How did you know that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Well, I think God did position us. You know, you look back through stories in the Bible, and you see how God used times of challenge in David\u2019s life to then develop him into who He wanted him to be when he was king. I think God did the same for me: whether it was through the Christian school I attended, whether it was through my parents and the way they raised me, through some of the setbacks He had me experience on the football field. I think God used all those to prepare me for what was coming down the road.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There had to be times in high school when being a pretty good football player in your high school started to go to your head a little bit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>No, he\u2019s the most humble man I\u2019ve ever met.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>No, I wouldn\u2019t say <em>that<\/em>. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>You should just take that, man! Your <em>wife<\/em>\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>He <em>is<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014if your wife says you\u2019re humble\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014that\u2019s the truth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Yes; I remember in high school\u2014I didn\u2019t play varsity football until my junior year\u2014you know, you think a NFL player probably got pulled up to the varsity as a sophomore\/freshman; that wasn\u2019t my story. I\u2019m in my very first game my junior year; and obviously, in recruiting, junior year is the big year. Senior year is almost too late. The very first quarter of the very first game my junior year, I get hit on my left side and break my ankle, so I missed most of my junior year.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember driving home from the hospital, with the cast on my leg, and calling my dad at work to tell him, \u201cIt\u2019s broken; I got a cast. I\u2019m out for <em>x<\/em> number of weeks,\u201d with tears in my eyes. I said, \u201cDad, you know, in addition to missing the joy of playing football this fall, I probably won\u2019t get to play college football.\u201d That\u2019s a real disappointment, because you have to get recruited your junior year.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy dad said, \u201cKirk, first of all, you don\u2019t know that; and second of all, you have to remember Proverbs 3:5-6: \u2018Trust in the Lord with all your heart; don\u2019t lean on your understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him; He will direct your steps.\u2019\u201d My dad wasn\u2019t saying that to mean\u2014\u201cName it and claim it,\u201d\/\u201cName that verse and now you\u2019re going to be a college quarterback,\u201d\u2014he was saying, \u201cGod has a plan for your life; and if it doesn\u2019t involve college football, it doesn\u2019t involve college football. But you have to trust Him; you have to trust Him with a broken ankle.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt that moment, I kind of put a stake in the ground and said, \u201cYou know what? What choice do I have? I\u2019m going to hold onto Proverbs 3:5-6; I\u2019m going to trust Him, and we\u2019ll see what He wants to do with my life.\u201d You get to the end [of high school]; you sign your scholarship with Michigan State; you go on there, you play, you get drafted; you play nine years in the NFL so far. You look back and you say, \u201cGod\u2019s a lot bigger than a broken ankle!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>The interesting thing is\u2014your dad\u2019s perspective is now <em>yours<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong><em>You<\/em> lived that. I mean, you have to do it now weekly\/daily as you go through ups and downs in an NFL season. How do you stay that <em>grounded<\/em>?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>The tough games happen enough, where you realize, \u201cThis is pretty difficult, and I don\u2019t have a whole lot of reason to be uber-confident.\u201d [Laughter] I think Julie would attest to that as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou also have people around you\u2014right?\u2014you\u2019re not isolated. My wife keeps me grounded; my siblings; my parents. You have enough people around you, who have known you long enough, that they\u2019re not all that impressed with you. I think that\u2019s a healthy place to be too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy dad always said, \u201cKirk, you need to keep big enough people in your life that they\u2019re not intimidated by you, that they can call you out on your stuff. I think it\u2019s important, whoever those people are, that you keep them in your life, where they\u2019re comfortable with telling you when you\u2019re out of line.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You have people, who aren\u2019t impressed with you, who will speak truth to you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>I have one on my right\/right here. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>We have two at home too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Yes; we have two boys at home, who will keep you humble.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Let me ask you about your teammates, because not everybody in the locker room shares your faith. When you were playing at a Christian high school, most of the guys, at least, they were from families, where everybody was a believer; but now, worldviews are very different\/morality is very different. You\u2019re the team leader as the quarterback. How do you manage your faith, and the locker room, and the players, and how you do all of that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>I get this question a lot. I think, like anybody else at their job\u2014you do your job; you want to do it really well. You want to shine your light\u2014as Julie says to me when I leave the house many days: \u201cShine your light today at work.\u201d You want to make sure that you\u2019re living out your faith and that you\u2019re being bold in sharing your faith. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou want to create opportunities for teammates to gather\u2014whether it be a Bible study, or a chapel, or whatever it may be\u2014to gather and pray together; and spend time in the Word together; and invite people and kind of put the ball in their court; and then let them decide what they want to do. I\u2019m not going to hit them over the head with a Bible, but I\u2019m going to let them know that the Bible\u2019s available. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJulie does the same with the women\u2019s Bible study. Obviously, the Wilsons have lived it for 30-plus years. We try to do that, and also try to play football as well as we can.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Have you ever had coaches or fellow players, who have suggested that your faith is a detriment to your competitiveness?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>No\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>\u2014a distraction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Yes; I think the key is that there can be concern that time spent on <em>anything<\/em> that isn\u2019t football is a distraction. That could still be <em>good<\/em> things, but it\u2019s not football. The key is that you make sure, again, you\u2019re doing everything you\u2019d be doing from a football standpoint. You can\u2019t be not running the plays correctly out on the field and, then, talking about when we\u2019re going to have Bible study in the locker room\u2014[Laughter]\u2014that doesn\u2019t work. You have to take care of your business on the field.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve asked\/at times, you have coaches, who say, \u201cHey, you can do Bible study; but it needs to be out of sight. It needs to be out of sight, out of mind, away from things.\u201d You respect that. You\u2019re not going to defy that from your authority figure; so you move the Bible study off to the side, and you still have the Bible study.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Do you feel like being a Christian athlete has actually made you <em>better<\/em>?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Of course.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>In what way?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>I look back, and I don\u2019t think I\u2019m going to be playing nine years in the NFL if I\u2019m not a Christian. I mean, football is a grind, and it\u2019s physically tough; it\u2019s emotionally tough; it\u2019s mentally tough. Christians are the most physically, mentally, emotionally tough people that I know; so football tends to lend itself well to being a Christian, and surviving and lasting in the sport, quite frankly. I think it\u2019s been a huge asset for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, the number of times I would have given up if I didn\u2019t believe that God had a plan and was going to use things for my good\u2014I would have just walked away and said, \u201cI don\u2019t need this,\u201d\u2014but I believe that God was using it\/that God had brought me to this point for a reason. He gave me a gift, and I need to steward it and trust Him with the rest. That\u2019s what kept me going.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I know that\/I\u2019m thinking of my fifth year with the Detroit Lions as their chaplain. Our head coach\/my first coach, Darryl Rogers, was fired\u2014Michigan State coach\u2014\u2014he gets fired after four years. A chaplain\u2014I\u2019m not paid by the team\u2014I\u2019m just sort of\/I\u2019m like, \u201cAm I going to stick with the new guy?\u201d The new guy was Wayne Fontes. He never came to chapel\/had nothing to do with me, but guess where I sat on the team plane?\u2014[Laughter] every game, for the last four years, beside Wayne.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe always would look over me, like, \u201cHere\u2019s this chaplain dude.\u201d I\u2019m an old quarterback; so we\u2019re flying home from wherever, and I\u2019m talking football and coverages and, \u201cWhy\u2019d you do this?\u201d After awhile, I could tell he was like, \u201cWho\/what are you? I thought you were this religious guy!\u201d; right? He gets the head job, calls me in, and says, \u201cHey, listen. I don\u2019t know what you do with the guys, but keep doing it. I like you, so just keep going.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s what happened: we started that season 1 in 7. I\u2019m doing chapel, and one of our players was going to have his pastor come in; right? We have 40 guys come to chapel\u2014a whole bunch of guys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It\u2019s Sunday morning. I\u2019m talking to Jimmy, our player; and say, \u201cHey, where\u2019s your pastor? It\u2019s like five minutes.\u201d He goes, \u201cOh, he\u2019ll be here.\u201d Long story short, I go, \u201cWell, when\u2019s the last time you talked to him?\u201d \u201cOh, like six weeks ago.\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cJimmy! He\u2019s not going to be here! He forgot!\u201d \u201cWhat are you talking about? He\u2019ll be here.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe doesn\u2019t show up, so we\u2019re walking back in there. I say to Jimmy\u2014and by the way, <em>no coaches<\/em> came to chapel\u2014only players. I say to Jimmy, \u201cListen, I\u2019m going to have to wing it. So listen; get up, would you please, and pray; and tell them your guy didn\u2019t show up; and Dave\u2014so they, at least, have an idea.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe go sit in the front row. Jimmy gets up; prays; and says, \u201cHere\u2019s Dave!\u201d\u2014doesn\u2019t say a word [that his pastor didn\u2019t arrive]. I get up; I turn around; the <em>entire<\/em> coaching staff\u2014the head coach, Wayne Fontes, sitting in the middle in the back, just like this, arms folded, right in the middle\u2014I\u2019m like, \u201cThey\u2019ve never been there!\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cI think my job\u2019s on the line!\u201d; right? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob knows this; as a preacher, you always have to have\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201c\u2026in season, out of season\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; you have to know. I pull out basically a message out of 1 Corinthians 9, which is basically this idea: \u201cIf you\u2019re a follower of Christ, you play harder and better than anybody; because you\u2019re playing for the Lord, not for men\u201d; right? It was this whole thing about winning; it\u2019s really highly motivational; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI get done and I say, \u201cOkay; let\u2019s pray.\u201d I close my eyes and pray, and I open my eyes. Wayne, the head coach, is standing an inch from my face; he had walked up during my prayer\u2014I\u2019ll never forget this!\u2014and I\u2019m standing there, looking at him. He goes, \u201cIs this what you do at chapel?! This is what you do?!\u201d I go, \u201cYes, Wayne.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cThat was awesome!\u201d He gives me a big hug. These coaches are all behind him, and they\u2019re all like: \u201cYes; good job, son,\u201d\u2014you know\u2014\u201cWay to go!\u201d and they leave.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s the funny thing\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>You were only 30 at the time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Oh, I\u2019m young. I\u2019m like, \u201cI don\u2019t know what\u2019s\u2026\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s what I find out\u2014by the way, we beat the Packers!\u2014right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I find out, later that week\u2014one of the coaches comes up to me and he goes, \u201cHey, did you wonder why we all were at chapel?\u201d I go, \u201cYes! What\u2019s going on?\u201d He goes, \u201cWell, we were in a meeting, all the coaching staff; and we\u2019re like, \u2018Why are we losing? We have talent; we\u2019re 1 in 7.\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe goes, \u201cOne of the coaches goes, \u2018Do you realize that the whole team goes to <em>chapel<\/em> before the games?\u2019 Wayne\u2019s like, \u2018What are you talking about?!\u2019 He goes, \u2018They\u2019re all at chapel on Sunday morning.\u2019 One of the other coaches goes, \u2018We don\u2019t even know what that Wilson guy is <em>telling<\/em> them! Maybe, he\u2019s saying, \u201cDon\u2019t hit people; don\u2019t play hard.\u2019\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Oh, that\u2019s funny.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u201cWayne goes, \u2018We\u2019re <em>all<\/em> going to chapel Sunday. If it\u2019s not good, I\u2019m <em>firing<\/em> that guy.\u2019\u201d That\u2019s what was happening! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>I love it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>That\u2019s amazing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Only God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>God shows up in this moment\u2014again, you can imagine Wayne never missed chapel the rest of the time he was there. We started winning games. But it was a perspective that I think a lot of people don\u2019t understand: \u201cWhatever you do\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tColossians 3\u2014\u201cdo your work heartily, as for the Lord\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Whether you\u2019re on a football field, you\u2019re in an office, you\u2019re a stay-at-home mom, you\u2019re a plumber, you\u2019re a doctor\u2014anyone\u2014your calling, as a follower of Christ, whether you\u2019re an NFL quarterback or not, is what?\u2014\u201cBring glory to Him by the way you play,\u201d \u201c\u2026 the way you treat the people in the locker room,\u201d \u201c\u2026the people at the office\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That\u2019s where you guys\u2014I\u2019ve watched you for your entire career\u2014everywhere you\u2019ve gone\u2014and now I know it\u2019s not just Kirk; it\u2019s a team\u2014you have shined the light of God. You\u2019ve made His name <em>famous<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Kirk, I\u2019m sitting here, looking at your silicone wedding band.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Do I have this right? You wear that to work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Yes; I just wear it everywhere, so I keep it on during the games. Yes; I got a wedding ring\u2014and didn\u2019t know about these yet\u2014and was always taking mine off for practice, for a workout, for\u2014literally, every day, it was going off and on two or three times\u2014it just wasn\u2019t very efficient. I found these that I could just keep on at all times. It\u2019s on all the time; and that means it\u2019s on during games, and practices, and lifts. It makes it really easy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There aren\u2019t many players wearing a wedding band on the football field.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>No; I don\u2019t think so! A lot of players are wearing gloves; so if they have it on, it\u2019s probably hidden; but as a quarterback I don\u2019t have any gloves on, so it shows.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Does it affect the spiral at all?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>No; not on my left hand. [Laughter] It works out well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDave spoke to <em>our<\/em> team in a Bible study once and shared the difference between boys and men, you know, in terms of what it means to have spiritual maturity: \u201cBoys do what <em>feels<\/em> right and men do what <em>is<\/em> right.\u201d You know, I just think that was certainly one area of life, in terms of having purity before marriage, is to do what <em>is<\/em> right, not what <em>feels<\/em> right. That\u2019s not very common these days.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>How do you maintain, now\u2014you know, you\u2019ve been married a few years\/six years; right?\u2014almost seven\u2014in the NFL, how do you keep a great marriage in this profession?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>I think marriage is so easy for us. There\u2019s something in there that\u2019s like, \u201cMaybe this should be hard.\u201d I don\u2019t know; he\u2019s just very easy to be married to. Kirk takes a Sabbath every Tuesday during the season and in off season.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That\u2019s his day off?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>Yes; he takes a whole day off from work; he doesn\u2019t do anything that is work. He started doing that a few years ago; and that, to me, is one of the greatest blessings of our marriage, especially during football season; because I know Tuesday\u2019s coming. Not that it\u2019s all about me on that day; it\u2019s just that it\u2019s quality time for our family: for me and him\/for him and the boys. He\u2019s reading, or just resting and relaxing, and doing what recharges him. Some of these days in the season are 12-\/13-hour days, where I don\u2019t see him. The fact that Tuesday\u2019s coming, and the fact that he does that for our family, just really honors me. I think that really helps our marriage, honestly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Yes; that was a learning experience for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>That\u2019s when we talk about everything.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>That year I got benched, I didn\u2019t have a Sabbath. I was spinning my wheels in that off season. We had heard teaching on it before; but we said, \u201cYou know what? Let\u2019s take it seriously.\u201d There are ten commandments. So many people take the nine seriously, but the Sabbath one we ignore. We said, \u201cWe\u2019re going to actually take \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t24 hours off.\u201d It also happened to be that my football play improved when I started taking one day off. It was like, \u201cGod can do more with six than I can do with seven.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>You\u2019re probably the only football player that takes a Sabbath.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I was just going to say, \u201cI don\u2019t know a <em>single<\/em> player\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>At the quarterback position it\u2019s probably a little more rare.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; I mean, on a Tuesday, when it\u2019s their day off\u2014they\u2019re taking a day off, but they\u2019re still watching film, still\/again, I\u2019m not saying that\u2019s bad\u2014but you really <em>don\u2019t<\/em> work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>People ask me what I do on the Sabbath. I say it\u2019s more what I <em>don\u2019t<\/em> do. It\u2019s that anything related to work I don\u2019t do. I can go do anything else, but I just try to stay away from work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHonestly, more than it is rest, it\u2019s faith. I sit there and I go, \u201cLord, the Packers are coming on Sunday. [Laughter] I think I need to be watching the third-down blitz tape.\u201d I have to sit there and say, \u201cYou know what, Lord? I\u2019m going to trust You that You can do more with six than I can do with seven.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJust as much of a resting for me, which it is, it\u2019s really a faith thing. I think God\u2019s saying, \u201cKirk, do you believe that Proverbs 3:5-6 message that you had as a junior in high school? Do you really believe that I\u2019m still going to do that for you, or do you have to do it for yourself?\u201d The journey of faith is not an easy one, and it\u2019s not ending anytime soon; God\u2019s going to keep us on that journey of faith all the way through life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>You guys have talked the whole time about your faith\/about your walk with God. It went all the way back to your matchmaker, who heard from God and followed through and talked to you. Talk about that a little bit: \u201cWhat does that mean to you, to hear from God and then to obey what He says?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>One thing I\u2019m learning, currently, in my walk with God is that hearing and responding to His voice is a bigger deal than I realized in my younger years. It\u2019s hard to have a dynamic walk with God, and a true relationship with God, if you\u2019re not trying to hear from Him\/listen to Him and then, whatever you hear, to then obey it and respond to it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn the event of our matchmaker, she said, \u201cGod put it on my heart that you two should be set up,\u201d which He had to have put on her heart; because it was such an outlandish idea.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>Because she had known both of us for ten years-plus and had never mentioned it until she felt God told her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>She acted on it\u2014she not only <em>heard<\/em> the voice of God\u2014but then she <em>responded<\/em> to it. We\u2019ll have generations that are blessed as a result of one person hearing and responding to God\u2019s voice one time. Think of what I\u2019ve missed out on in my Christian walk all these years because I haven\u2019t done a great job of that! That\u2019s something we want to grow in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>Prayer is a <em>huge<\/em> thing for me. I\u2019ll get a nudge, or even coming on this radio show, this is totally out of my comfort zone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Yes; this isn\u2019t her deal.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>But <em>you\u2019re<\/em> good at it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>You are!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>I just chose to take the leap of faith. You know, I definitely notice nudges\u2014somebody I need to pray for or say something to\u2014and as I grow in my faith, it happens more and more. I\u2019m just getting more confident and not feeling nervous to invite someone to Bible study or ask them a tough question. I just love the challenge now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>You know, Bob\u2014maybe you know this, Kirk\u2014God speaks in the pews.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Pews\u2014P-E-W-S\u2014anybody want to take a guess at what that stands for?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I know what they are. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>My wife has heard this sermon over and over! But it is interesting\u2014when you answer that question, \u201cHow do you hear the voice of God?\u201d\u2014it could be audible; I mean, not that He couldn\u2019t do that\u2014but I always say, \u201cthe PEWS\u201d:\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201c<strong>P<\/strong>eople\u201d: He often will use a person or\u2014He could use Cooper!\u2014He can use a\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0child; He can use a neighbor; He can use anybody\/a pastor. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201c<strong>E<\/strong>vents\u201d\u2014closed doors, open doors, circumstances. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201c<strong>W<\/strong>ord of God\u201d: You open the Word of God and He speaks. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201c<strong>S<\/strong>pirit of God\u201d\u2014that nudge you\u2019re talking about is probably the Spirit of God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf we thought He still speaks\u2014He wants us to hear and obey\u2014it\u2019d be like we\u2019d be a head on a swivel\u2014there\u2019s a football term: head on a swivel\u2014it\u2019s like, \u201cHow\u2019s He going to speak today? How\u2019s He going to lead?\u201d The big question is: \u201cWill we obey?\u201d If we do, a legacy could be at stake.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I think, when you\u2019re <em>in<\/em> the Word regularly, and when you are intending to walk by the Spirit regularly\u2014so you\u2019re saying, \u201cOkay, Lord; what do You have for me today?\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>You\u2019re recognizing His voice.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014I think you hear it more often when you\u2019re tuned in than when you\u2019re distracted. I think that\u2019s where we just have to\u2014all of us\u2014be saying, \u201cHow do I tune in today?\u201d How do you hear on the radio?\u2014you tune in the radio to get the right station. Well, you tune into God through His Word, by saying, \u201cLord, what do You have for me today?\u201d and then see what He brings along through people, through events\u2014like you said\u2014I think that\u2019s really good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I would just like to say, as we close, \u201cThank you,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014not just for being on this radio podcast\u2014but for your commitment\/your stand. It is a light that you\u2019re\u2014not just shining here in Minnesota\u2014you\u2019re shining it across the world. God is using you to make Him famous, so thank you for doing that; not everybody does that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou two\/man, you\u2019re young; and yet, you say: \u201cGod, this isn\u2019t about us. This is about <em>You<\/em>. You\u2019ve given us this position; we want You to be honored and glorified\u201d; and you\u2019re doing it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Thanks for your example.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>That\u2019s kind of you to say that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>Yes; thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>I need to also say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to you all, because I drive around Minneapolis and my hometown in Michigan, and listen to FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014I hear you all on your show\u2014so thanks for your content; thanks for the difference you\u2019re making in so many people\u2019s lives\u2014just on my way home from work, giving me a nice boost of encouragement from your words.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Julie, thanks for stepping out of your comfort zone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Way to go, Julie! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>It wasn\u2019t so bad.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know, really, what you guys have been sharing with us today is an example of\u2014Dave and Ann, what you guys talk about in your book\u2014<em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>: it\u2019s having a God-centered, God-focused marriage relationship.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s <em>how<\/em> marriage was designed to work. I know you guys [Kirk and Julie] have read Dave and Ann\u2019s book, and I think you\u2019ve seen the videos. We\u2019re hoping that <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners\u2014if you haven\u2019t read <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>, or if you haven\u2019t gotten together with other couples to go through the small group series that Dave and Ann have done\/the <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> five-part DVD series\u2014information about both of these resources is available, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can call if you have any questions or if you\u2019d like to order by phone; our number is 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website: FamilyLifeToday.com; look for information about <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>, both the book and the small group series; or call if you have any questions or if you\u2019d like to order by phone: 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, finally, as we close out this week\u2014our first <em>full<\/em> week of 2021\u2014we, once again, just want to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who are, not only listeners to FamilyLife, but those of you who are cheerleaders, and supporters, and voters. Those of you who voted, during the month of December with a yearend contribution, you are making this program available in your community for, not just your family, but for your neighbors\/your friends. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are, together, effectively developing godly marriages and families\u2014that\u2019s the mission here at FamilyLife\u2014and you\u2019re a part of that mission as you support this ongoing work. So thank you for your yearend contributions\u2014and don\u2019t forget\u2014we\u2019re going to need your ongoing support throughout the year, so thanks for whatever you\u2019re able to do here in 2021. Pray for us and for what God has for us for this year; we appreciate you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you have a great weekend! I hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend, and I hope you can join us back on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk about: \u201cWhat is job number one for us, as parents?\u201d Do you know what that is? We\u2019ll talk about it next week. I hope you can be with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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Kirk Cousins and his wife, Julie talk about living for Christ in the world of professional football.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2021-01-08.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There are some who think being a Christian is a liability for people who are in professional sports, that being a Christian tends to make you soft or not a competitor. Kirk Cousins, the quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings, disagrees.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>I look back, and I don\u2019t think I\u2019m going to be playing nine years in the NFL if I\u2019m not a Christian. I mean, football is a grind, and it\u2019s physically tough; it\u2019s emotionally tough; it\u2019s mentally tough. Christians are the most physically, mentally, emotionally tough people that I know; so football tends to lend itself well to being a Christian, and surviving and lasting in the sport, quite frankly. I think it\u2019s been a huge asset for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, the number of times I would have given up if I didn\u2019t believe that God had a plan and was going to use things for my good\u2014I would have just walked away and said, \u201cI don\u2019t need this,\u201d\u2014but I believe that God was using it\/that God had brought me to this point for a reason. He gave me a gift, and I am to steward it and trust Him with the rest. That\u2019s what kept me going.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, January 8<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. How do personal faith and football\u2014or any kind of professional athletics\u2014how do those mix? We\u2019re going to talk about that today with Minnesota Vikings\u2019 quarterback, Kirk Cousins, and his wife, Julie. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Broadcasting from Minneapolis, Minnesota]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I grew up in St. Louis. When I was a kid, our football team in St. Louis was the St. Louis Football Cardinals.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; now the Arizona Cardinals.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>You don\u2019t want to tell us what year that was; do you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It was a long time ago. [Laughter] I still have\u2014I\u2019ve got at home\/at our house a St. Louis Football Cardinal trashcan somewhere in our house; it goes way back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, of course, St. Louis got the Rams for awhile; and now St. Louis has nobody. People will say, \u201cDo you have a team that you cheer for?\u201d Over the years, I have just kind of cheered for\u2014\u201cWho are the people I want to be cheering for in the NFL?\u201d\u2014I was a Tony Dungy fan\u2014right?\u2014during the middle of his stuff. Anytime I hear about somebody, like a Carson Wentz, or people who are focused on the glory of God, I start cheering for them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve been cheering for our guest since Michigan State. Glad to have him on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; and you know, my 33 years in the league\u2014there are very few, actually, in 33 years, who come through and understand their role is not just to win football games\u2014but the couple we have today understood that from before you even got in the NFL. Kirk and Julie Cousins are here with us today\u2014quarterback of the Minnesota Vikings\u2014future Super Bowl winners; right? [Laughter] We don\u2019t know what year\u2014maybe this year\u2014you never know!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s a pleasure to have you here; because Kirk, you\/I knew you when you were a little boy. I\u2019ve <em>always<\/em> seen this perspective: I remember watching the Big Ten\u2014I don\u2019t know what you call it\/the pre-season little banquet they did in Chicago, I think\u2014and watching your speech, because it ended up on YouTube. I remember watching that, going, \u201cThere\u2019s no way a young man of 18 years old has this kind of maturity.\u201d But you already had it; you knew, \u201cI\u2019m not just a football player; it\u2019s bigger than that. God is doing something bigger than just football.\u201d How did you know that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Well, I think God did position us. You know, you look back through stories in the Bible, and you see how God used times of challenge in David\u2019s life to then develop him into who He wanted him to be when he was king. I think God did the same for me: whether it was through the Christian school I attended, whether it was through my parents and the way they raised me, through some of the setbacks He had me experience on the football field. I think God used all those to prepare me for what was coming down the road.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There had to be times in high school when being a pretty good football player in your high school started to go to your head a little bit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>No, he\u2019s the most humble man I\u2019ve ever met.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>No, I wouldn\u2019t say <em>that<\/em>. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>You should just take that, man! Your <em>wife<\/em>\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>He <em>is<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014if your wife says you\u2019re humble\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014that\u2019s the truth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Yes; I remember in high school\u2014I didn\u2019t play varsity football until my junior year\u2014you know, you think a NFL player probably got pulled up to the varsity as a sophomore\/freshman; that wasn\u2019t my story. I\u2019m in my very first game my junior year; and obviously, in recruiting, junior year is the big year. Senior year is almost too late. The very first quarter of the very first game my junior year, I get hit on my left side and break my ankle, so I missed most of my junior year.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember driving home from the hospital, with the cast on my leg, and calling my dad at work to tell him, \u201cIt\u2019s broken; I got a cast. I\u2019m out for <em>x<\/em> number of weeks,\u201d with tears in my eyes. I said, \u201cDad, you know, in addition to missing the joy of playing football this fall, I probably won\u2019t get to play college football.\u201d That\u2019s a real disappointment, because you have to get recruited your junior year.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy dad said, \u201cKirk, first of all, you don\u2019t know that; and second of all, you have to remember Proverbs 3:5-6: \u2018Trust in the Lord with all your heart; don\u2019t lean on your understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him; He will direct your steps.\u2019\u201d My dad wasn\u2019t saying that to mean\u2014\u201cName it and claim it,\u201d\/\u201cName that verse and now you\u2019re going to be a college quarterback,\u201d\u2014he was saying, \u201cGod has a plan for your life; and if it doesn\u2019t involve college football, it doesn\u2019t involve college football. But you have to trust Him; you have to trust Him with a broken ankle.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt that moment, I kind of put a stake in the ground and said, \u201cYou know what? What choice do I have? I\u2019m going to hold onto Proverbs 3:5-6; I\u2019m going to trust Him, and we\u2019ll see what He wants to do with my life.\u201d You get to the end [of high school]; you sign your scholarship with Michigan State; you go on there, you play, you get drafted; you play nine years in the NFL so far. You look back and you say, \u201cGod\u2019s a lot bigger than a broken ankle!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>The interesting thing is\u2014your dad\u2019s perspective is now <em>yours<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong><em>You<\/em> lived that. I mean, you have to do it now weekly\/daily as you go through ups and downs in an NFL season. How do you stay that <em>grounded<\/em>?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>The tough games happen enough, where you realize, \u201cThis is pretty difficult, and I don\u2019t have a whole lot of reason to be uber-confident.\u201d [Laughter] I think Julie would attest to that as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou also have people around you\u2014right?\u2014you\u2019re not isolated. My wife keeps me grounded; my siblings; my parents. You have enough people around you, who have known you long enough, that they\u2019re not all that impressed with you. I think that\u2019s a healthy place to be too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy dad always said, \u201cKirk, you need to keep big enough people in your life that they\u2019re not intimidated by you, that they can call you out on your stuff. I think it\u2019s important, whoever those people are, that you keep them in your life, where they\u2019re comfortable with telling you when you\u2019re out of line.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You have people, who aren\u2019t impressed with you, who will speak truth to you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>I have one on my right\/right here. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>We have two at home too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Yes; we have two boys at home, who will keep you humble.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Let me ask you about your teammates, because not everybody in the locker room shares your faith. When you were playing at a Christian high school, most of the guys, at least, they were from families, where everybody was a believer; but now, worldviews are very different\/morality is very different. You\u2019re the team leader as the quarterback. How do you manage your faith, and the locker room, and the players, and how you do all of that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>I get this question a lot. I think, like anybody else at their job\u2014you do your job; you want to do it really well. You want to shine your light\u2014as Julie says to me when I leave the house many days: \u201cShine your light today at work.\u201d You want to make sure that you\u2019re living out your faith and that you\u2019re being bold in sharing your faith. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou want to create opportunities for teammates to gather\u2014whether it be a Bible study, or a chapel, or whatever it may be\u2014to gather and pray together; and spend time in the Word together; and invite people and kind of put the ball in their court; and then let them decide what they want to do. I\u2019m not going to hit them over the head with a Bible, but I\u2019m going to let them know that the Bible\u2019s available. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJulie does the same with the women\u2019s Bible study. Obviously, the Wilsons have lived it for 30-plus years. We try to do that, and also try to play football as well as we can.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Have you ever had coaches or fellow players, who have suggested that your faith is a detriment to your competitiveness?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>No\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>\u2014a distraction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Yes; I think the key is that there can be concern that time spent on <em>anything<\/em> that isn\u2019t football is a distraction. That could still be <em>good<\/em> things, but it\u2019s not football. The key is that you make sure, again, you\u2019re doing everything you\u2019d be doing from a football standpoint. You can\u2019t be not running the plays correctly out on the field and, then, talking about when we\u2019re going to have Bible study in the locker room\u2014[Laughter]\u2014that doesn\u2019t work. You have to take care of your business on the field.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve asked\/at times, you have coaches, who say, \u201cHey, you can do Bible study; but it needs to be out of sight. It needs to be out of sight, out of mind, away from things.\u201d You respect that. You\u2019re not going to defy that from your authority figure; so you move the Bible study off to the side, and you still have the Bible study.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Do you feel like being a Christian athlete has actually made you <em>better<\/em>?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Of course.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>In what way?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>I look back, and I don\u2019t think I\u2019m going to be playing nine years in the NFL if I\u2019m not a Christian. I mean, football is a grind, and it\u2019s physically tough; it\u2019s emotionally tough; it\u2019s mentally tough. Christians are the most physically, mentally, emotionally tough people that I know; so football tends to lend itself well to being a Christian, and surviving and lasting in the sport, quite frankly. I think it\u2019s been a huge asset for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, the number of times I would have given up if I didn\u2019t believe that God had a plan and was going to use things for my good\u2014I would have just walked away and said, \u201cI don\u2019t need this,\u201d\u2014but I believe that God was using it\/that God had brought me to this point for a reason. He gave me a gift, and I need to steward it and trust Him with the rest. That\u2019s what kept me going.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I know that\/I\u2019m thinking of my fifth year with the Detroit Lions as their chaplain. Our head coach\/my first coach, Darryl Rogers, was fired\u2014Michigan State coach\u2014\u2014he gets fired after four years. A chaplain\u2014I\u2019m not paid by the team\u2014I\u2019m just sort of\/I\u2019m like, \u201cAm I going to stick with the new guy?\u201d The new guy was Wayne Fontes. He never came to chapel\/had nothing to do with me, but guess where I sat on the team plane?\u2014[Laughter] every game, for the last four years, beside Wayne.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe always would look over me, like, \u201cHere\u2019s this chaplain dude.\u201d I\u2019m an old quarterback; so we\u2019re flying home from wherever, and I\u2019m talking football and coverages and, \u201cWhy\u2019d you do this?\u201d After awhile, I could tell he was like, \u201cWho\/what are you? I thought you were this religious guy!\u201d; right? He gets the head job, calls me in, and says, \u201cHey, listen. I don\u2019t know what you do with the guys, but keep doing it. I like you, so just keep going.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s what happened: we started that season 1 in 7. I\u2019m doing chapel, and one of our players was going to have his pastor come in; right? We have 40 guys come to chapel\u2014a whole bunch of guys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It\u2019s Sunday morning. I\u2019m talking to Jimmy, our player; and say, \u201cHey, where\u2019s your pastor? It\u2019s like five minutes.\u201d He goes, \u201cOh, he\u2019ll be here.\u201d Long story short, I go, \u201cWell, when\u2019s the last time you talked to him?\u201d \u201cOh, like six weeks ago.\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cJimmy! He\u2019s not going to be here! He forgot!\u201d \u201cWhat are you talking about? He\u2019ll be here.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe doesn\u2019t show up, so we\u2019re walking back in there. I say to Jimmy\u2014and by the way, <em>no coaches<\/em> came to chapel\u2014only players. I say to Jimmy, \u201cListen, I\u2019m going to have to wing it. So listen; get up, would you please, and pray; and tell them your guy didn\u2019t show up; and Dave\u2014so they, at least, have an idea.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe go sit in the front row. Jimmy gets up; prays; and says, \u201cHere\u2019s Dave!\u201d\u2014doesn\u2019t say a word [that his pastor didn\u2019t arrive]. I get up; I turn around; the <em>entire<\/em> coaching staff\u2014the head coach, Wayne Fontes, sitting in the middle in the back, just like this, arms folded, right in the middle\u2014I\u2019m like, \u201cThey\u2019ve never been there!\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cI think my job\u2019s on the line!\u201d; right? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob knows this; as a preacher, you always have to have\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201c\u2026in season, out of season\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; you have to know. I pull out basically a message out of 1 Corinthians 9, which is basically this idea: \u201cIf you\u2019re a follower of Christ, you play harder and better than anybody; because you\u2019re playing for the Lord, not for men\u201d; right? It was this whole thing about winning; it\u2019s really highly motivational; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI get done and I say, \u201cOkay; let\u2019s pray.\u201d I close my eyes and pray, and I open my eyes. Wayne, the head coach, is standing an inch from my face; he had walked up during my prayer\u2014I\u2019ll never forget this!\u2014and I\u2019m standing there, looking at him. He goes, \u201cIs this what you do at chapel?! This is what you do?!\u201d I go, \u201cYes, Wayne.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cThat was awesome!\u201d He gives me a big hug. These coaches are all behind him, and they\u2019re all like: \u201cYes; good job, son,\u201d\u2014you know\u2014\u201cWay to go!\u201d and they leave.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s the funny thing\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>You were only 30 at the time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Oh, I\u2019m young. I\u2019m like, \u201cI don\u2019t know what\u2019s\u2026\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s what I find out\u2014by the way, we beat the Packers!\u2014right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I find out, later that week\u2014one of the coaches comes up to me and he goes, \u201cHey, did you wonder why we all were at chapel?\u201d I go, \u201cYes! What\u2019s going on?\u201d He goes, \u201cWell, we were in a meeting, all the coaching staff; and we\u2019re like, \u2018Why are we losing? We have talent; we\u2019re 1 in 7.\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe goes, \u201cOne of the coaches goes, \u2018Do you realize that the whole team goes to <em>chapel<\/em> before the games?\u2019 Wayne\u2019s like, \u2018What are you talking about?!\u2019 He goes, \u2018They\u2019re all at chapel on Sunday morning.\u2019 One of the other coaches goes, \u2018We don\u2019t even know what that Wilson guy is <em>telling<\/em> them! Maybe, he\u2019s saying, \u201cDon\u2019t hit people; don\u2019t play hard.\u2019\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Oh, that\u2019s funny.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u201cWayne goes, \u2018We\u2019re <em>all<\/em> going to chapel Sunday. If it\u2019s not good, I\u2019m <em>firing<\/em> that guy.\u2019\u201d That\u2019s what was happening! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>I love it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>That\u2019s amazing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Only God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>God shows up in this moment\u2014again, you can imagine Wayne never missed chapel the rest of the time he was there. We started winning games. But it was a perspective that I think a lot of people don\u2019t understand: \u201cWhatever you do\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tColossians 3\u2014\u201cdo your work heartily, as for the Lord\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Whether you\u2019re on a football field, you\u2019re in an office, you\u2019re a stay-at-home mom, you\u2019re a plumber, you\u2019re a doctor\u2014anyone\u2014your calling, as a follower of Christ, whether you\u2019re an NFL quarterback or not, is what?\u2014\u201cBring glory to Him by the way you play,\u201d \u201c\u2026 the way you treat the people in the locker room,\u201d \u201c\u2026the people at the office\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That\u2019s where you guys\u2014I\u2019ve watched you for your entire career\u2014everywhere you\u2019ve gone\u2014and now I know it\u2019s not just Kirk; it\u2019s a team\u2014you have shined the light of God. You\u2019ve made His name <em>famous<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Kirk, I\u2019m sitting here, looking at your silicone wedding band.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Do I have this right? You wear that to work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Yes; I just wear it everywhere, so I keep it on during the games. Yes; I got a wedding ring\u2014and didn\u2019t know about these yet\u2014and was always taking mine off for practice, for a workout, for\u2014literally, every day, it was going off and on two or three times\u2014it just wasn\u2019t very efficient. I found these that I could just keep on at all times. It\u2019s on all the time; and that means it\u2019s on during games, and practices, and lifts. It makes it really easy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There aren\u2019t many players wearing a wedding band on the football field.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>No; I don\u2019t think so! A lot of players are wearing gloves; so if they have it on, it\u2019s probably hidden; but as a quarterback I don\u2019t have any gloves on, so it shows.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Does it affect the spiral at all?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>No; not on my left hand. [Laughter] It works out well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDave spoke to <em>our<\/em> team in a Bible study once and shared the difference between boys and men, you know, in terms of what it means to have spiritual maturity: \u201cBoys do what <em>feels<\/em> right and men do what <em>is<\/em> right.\u201d You know, I just think that was certainly one area of life, in terms of having purity before marriage, is to do what <em>is<\/em> right, not what <em>feels<\/em> right. That\u2019s not very common these days.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>How do you maintain, now\u2014you know, you\u2019ve been married a few years\/six years; right?\u2014almost seven\u2014in the NFL, how do you keep a great marriage in this profession?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>I think marriage is so easy for us. There\u2019s something in there that\u2019s like, \u201cMaybe this should be hard.\u201d I don\u2019t know; he\u2019s just very easy to be married to. Kirk takes a Sabbath every Tuesday during the season and in off season.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That\u2019s his day off?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>Yes; he takes a whole day off from work; he doesn\u2019t do anything that is work. He started doing that a few years ago; and that, to me, is one of the greatest blessings of our marriage, especially during football season; because I know Tuesday\u2019s coming. Not that it\u2019s all about me on that day; it\u2019s just that it\u2019s quality time for our family: for me and him\/for him and the boys. He\u2019s reading, or just resting and relaxing, and doing what recharges him. Some of these days in the season are 12-\/13-hour days, where I don\u2019t see him. The fact that Tuesday\u2019s coming, and the fact that he does that for our family, just really honors me. I think that really helps our marriage, honestly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Yes; that was a learning experience for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>That\u2019s when we talk about everything.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>That year I got benched, I didn\u2019t have a Sabbath. I was spinning my wheels in that off season. We had heard teaching on it before; but we said, \u201cYou know what? Let\u2019s take it seriously.\u201d There are ten commandments. So many people take the nine seriously, but the Sabbath one we ignore. We said, \u201cWe\u2019re going to actually take \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t24 hours off.\u201d It also happened to be that my football play improved when I started taking one day off. It was like, \u201cGod can do more with six than I can do with seven.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>You\u2019re probably the only football player that takes a Sabbath.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I was just going to say, \u201cI don\u2019t know a <em>single<\/em> player\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>At the quarterback position it\u2019s probably a little more rare.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; I mean, on a Tuesday, when it\u2019s their day off\u2014they\u2019re taking a day off, but they\u2019re still watching film, still\/again, I\u2019m not saying that\u2019s bad\u2014but you really <em>don\u2019t<\/em> work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>People ask me what I do on the Sabbath. I say it\u2019s more what I <em>don\u2019t<\/em> do. It\u2019s that anything related to work I don\u2019t do. I can go do anything else, but I just try to stay away from work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHonestly, more than it is rest, it\u2019s faith. I sit there and I go, \u201cLord, the Packers are coming on Sunday. [Laughter] I think I need to be watching the third-down blitz tape.\u201d I have to sit there and say, \u201cYou know what, Lord? I\u2019m going to trust You that You can do more with six than I can do with seven.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJust as much of a resting for me, which it is, it\u2019s really a faith thing. I think God\u2019s saying, \u201cKirk, do you believe that Proverbs 3:5-6 message that you had as a junior in high school? Do you really believe that I\u2019m still going to do that for you, or do you have to do it for yourself?\u201d The journey of faith is not an easy one, and it\u2019s not ending anytime soon; God\u2019s going to keep us on that journey of faith all the way through life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>You guys have talked the whole time about your faith\/about your walk with God. It went all the way back to your matchmaker, who heard from God and followed through and talked to you. Talk about that a little bit: \u201cWhat does that mean to you, to hear from God and then to obey what He says?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>One thing I\u2019m learning, currently, in my walk with God is that hearing and responding to His voice is a bigger deal than I realized in my younger years. It\u2019s hard to have a dynamic walk with God, and a true relationship with God, if you\u2019re not trying to hear from Him\/listen to Him and then, whatever you hear, to then obey it and respond to it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn the event of our matchmaker, she said, \u201cGod put it on my heart that you two should be set up,\u201d which He had to have put on her heart; because it was such an outlandish idea.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>Because she had known both of us for ten years-plus and had never mentioned it until she felt God told her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>She acted on it\u2014she not only <em>heard<\/em> the voice of God\u2014but then she <em>responded<\/em> to it. We\u2019ll have generations that are blessed as a result of one person hearing and responding to God\u2019s voice one time. Think of what I\u2019ve missed out on in my Christian walk all these years because I haven\u2019t done a great job of that! That\u2019s something we want to grow in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>Prayer is a <em>huge<\/em> thing for me. I\u2019ll get a nudge, or even coming on this radio show, this is totally out of my comfort zone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>Yes; this isn\u2019t her deal.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>But <em>you\u2019re<\/em> good at it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>You are!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>I just chose to take the leap of faith. You know, I definitely notice nudges\u2014somebody I need to pray for or say something to\u2014and as I grow in my faith, it happens more and more. I\u2019m just getting more confident and not feeling nervous to invite someone to Bible study or ask them a tough question. I just love the challenge now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>You know, Bob\u2014maybe you know this, Kirk\u2014God speaks in the pews.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Pews\u2014P-E-W-S\u2014anybody want to take a guess at what that stands for?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I know what they are. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>My wife has heard this sermon over and over! But it is interesting\u2014when you answer that question, \u201cHow do you hear the voice of God?\u201d\u2014it could be audible; I mean, not that He couldn\u2019t do that\u2014but I always say, \u201cthe PEWS\u201d:\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201c<strong>P<\/strong>eople\u201d: He often will use a person or\u2014He could use Cooper!\u2014He can use a\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0child; He can use a neighbor; He can use anybody\/a pastor. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201c<strong>E<\/strong>vents\u201d\u2014closed doors, open doors, circumstances. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201c<strong>W<\/strong>ord of God\u201d: You open the Word of God and He speaks. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201c<strong>S<\/strong>pirit of God\u201d\u2014that nudge you\u2019re talking about is probably the Spirit of God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf we thought He still speaks\u2014He wants us to hear and obey\u2014it\u2019d be like we\u2019d be a head on a swivel\u2014there\u2019s a football term: head on a swivel\u2014it\u2019s like, \u201cHow\u2019s He going to speak today? How\u2019s He going to lead?\u201d The big question is: \u201cWill we obey?\u201d If we do, a legacy could be at stake.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I think, when you\u2019re <em>in<\/em> the Word regularly, and when you are intending to walk by the Spirit regularly\u2014so you\u2019re saying, \u201cOkay, Lord; what do You have for me today?\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>You\u2019re recognizing His voice.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014I think you hear it more often when you\u2019re tuned in than when you\u2019re distracted. I think that\u2019s where we just have to\u2014all of us\u2014be saying, \u201cHow do I tune in today?\u201d How do you hear on the radio?\u2014you tune in the radio to get the right station. Well, you tune into God through His Word, by saying, \u201cLord, what do You have for me today?\u201d and then see what He brings along through people, through events\u2014like you said\u2014I think that\u2019s really good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I would just like to say, as we close, \u201cThank you,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014not just for being on this radio podcast\u2014but for your commitment\/your stand. It is a light that you\u2019re\u2014not just shining here in Minnesota\u2014you\u2019re shining it across the world. God is using you to make Him famous, so thank you for doing that; not everybody does that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou two\/man, you\u2019re young; and yet, you say: \u201cGod, this isn\u2019t about us. This is about <em>You<\/em>. You\u2019ve given us this position; we want You to be honored and glorified\u201d; and you\u2019re doing it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Thanks for your example.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>That\u2019s kind of you to say that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>Yes; thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>I need to also say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to you all, because I drive around Minneapolis and my hometown in Michigan, and listen to FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014I hear you all on your show\u2014so thanks for your content; thanks for the difference you\u2019re making in so many people\u2019s lives\u2014just on my way home from work, giving me a nice boost of encouragement from your words.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Julie, thanks for stepping out of your comfort zone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Way to go, Julie! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>It wasn\u2019t so bad.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know, really, what you guys have been sharing with us today is an example of\u2014Dave and Ann, what you guys talk about in your book\u2014<em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>: it\u2019s having a God-centered, God-focused marriage relationship.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s <em>how<\/em> marriage was designed to work. I know you guys [Kirk and Julie] have read Dave and Ann\u2019s book, and I think you\u2019ve seen the videos. We\u2019re hoping that <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners\u2014if you haven\u2019t read <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>, or if you haven\u2019t gotten together with other couples to go through the small group series that Dave and Ann have done\/the <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> five-part DVD series\u2014information about both of these resources is available, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can call if you have any questions or if you\u2019d like to order by phone; our number is 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website: FamilyLifeToday.com; look for information about <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>, both the book and the small group series; or call if you have any questions or if you\u2019d like to order by phone: 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, finally, as we close out this week\u2014our first <em>full<\/em> week of 2021\u2014we, once again, just want to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who are, not only listeners to FamilyLife, but those of you who are cheerleaders, and supporters, and voters. Those of you who voted, during the month of December with a yearend contribution, you are making this program available in your community for, not just your family, but for your neighbors\/your friends. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are, together, effectively developing godly marriages and families\u2014that\u2019s the mission here at FamilyLife\u2014and you\u2019re a part of that mission as you support this ongoing work. So thank you for your yearend contributions\u2014and don\u2019t forget\u2014we\u2019re going to need your ongoing support throughout the year, so thanks for whatever you\u2019re able to do here in 2021. Pray for us and for what God has for us for this year; we appreciate you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you have a great weekend! I hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend, and I hope you can join us back on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk about: \u201cWhat is job number one for us, as parents?\u201d Do you know what that is? We\u2019ll talk about it next week. I hope you can be with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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