{"id":306667,"date":"2021-01-07T07:00:05","date_gmt":"2021-01-07T12:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/christian-marriage-in-the-nfl\/"},"modified":"2021-01-07T07:00:05","modified_gmt":"2021-01-07T12:00:05","slug":"christian-marriage-in-the-nfl","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/christian-marriage-in-the-nfl\/","title":{"rendered":"Christian Marriage in the NFL"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Kirk Cousins, quarterback for the Minnesesota Vikings, and his wife, Julie, share about how God brought them together and their walk with Him as a couple.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/mp3.familylife.com\/fl2021-01-07.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:30:48","filesize":"28.2M","filesize_raw":"29566279","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[10361,2848,2821],"tags":[2877],"podcast_series":[8419],"cwp_profile":[9684],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-306667","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-busyness-and-stress","category-cultural-issues","category-reaching-out","tag-marriage","podcast_series-nfl-marriage","cwp_profile-kirk-and-julie-cousins","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/306667\/christian-marriage-in-the-nfl","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/306667\/christian-marriage-in-the-nfl","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"6thYK8U1Np\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/christian-marriage-in-the-nfl\/\">Christian Marriage in the NFL<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/christian-marriage-in-the-nfl\/embed\/#?secret=6thYK8U1Np\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Christian Marriage in the NFL&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"6thYK8U1Np\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Everybody in the stands is calling your husband a bum; what would that feel like? Well, Julie Cousins, the wife of pro quarterback Kirk Cousins, doesn\u2019t have to imagine it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> <a id=\"_Hlk58767655\">I mean, it hurts. It\u2019s not like I\u2019m like \u201cOh, whatever.\u201d It is a big deal; it does matter. It hurts my feelings, but it\u2019s not our identity. Football is our job, and I realize that we\u2019re going to fail\u2014that\u2019s life\u2014you\u2019re not going to win every game; you\u2019re not going to play perfect\u2014it\u2019s the lens I choose to look at it. It\u2019s such a fun career; it\u2019s such a fun lifestyle. I\u2019m just going to enjoy it while it lasts.<\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, January 7<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You\u2019ll find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019re going to hear today what it\u2019s like to live your life with your successes and your failures out in front of everybody, right there on the front page. We\u2019re also going to hear how God brought Kirk and Julie Cousins together\u2014pretty remarkable story\u2014stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Broadcasting from Minneapolis, Minnesota]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I think this is going to be\u2014whether a listener is a football person or not\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Are we talking football today, Bob?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, I think\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know; but someone\u2019s over here, <em>salivating<\/em>, because this is the topic that he likes to discuss. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Maybe.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Listeners are going to love this, too,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, they are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014because it\u2019s more than football we\u2019re talking about here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Is there anybody that doesn\u2019t love football?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Everybody loves football. Today, they\u2019re going to love football; because they\u2019re going to get a behind-the-scenes look in some things that most people don\u2019t know about football and, specifically, the NFL. We are in Minneapolis, Minnesota, with Kirk and Julie Cousins, who are going to be our guests today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you don\u2019t know that name, Kirk is the quarterback of the Minnesota Vikings, went to the Pro Bowl last year, been in the league nine years. There\u2019s all kinds of great stuff I could say; but he\u2019s, not only a great quarterback, but a great man and a great marriage. We\u2019re going to talk behind the scenes, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Why don\u2019t you tell listeners about the first time you met. I don\u2019t even know if you [Kirk]\u00a0 remember\u2014do you remember the first time you and Dave met?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>I believe it was at a Detroit Lions chapel, when I was very young; but maybe I have that wrong.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I was at Hope College. You were 13 years old; do you remember this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> No, no.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m going to tell you something that I deserve credit for something. What happened was\u2014Jason Hanson, our kicker at the time,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014and Nick Harris, was our punter, were invited over to Hope College to do a little kicking camp\u2014just an afternoon. Our friend, Denny Allen, basically said, \u201cHey, Dave, you should come along too.\u201d I\u2019m like \u201cWhat for?\u201d He goes \u201cI don\u2019t know; you\u2019ve got nothing else to do. Chaplains don\u2019t do anything; right?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI end up over there, and they\u2019re doing this little kicking thing in the football field at Hope College. Your dad, Don, comes over. Now I knew Don because he was a consultant for our church when we started Kensington back in the \u201890s. Don walks over to me\u2014I\u2019ll never forget this\u2014and he goes \u201cHey, you\u2019re a high school quarterback coach; right?\u201d I was coaching high school football.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>You played in college.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes\u2014he said that\u2014\u201cYou played college football; right? You\u2019re in the Hall of Fame.\u201d He\u2019s just going on with all this stuff; I\u2019m like, \u201cWhere is he going with this?\u201d He goes, \u201cMy kid thinks he\u2019s a quarterback. Will you throw the ball with him and tell me?\u2014because I don\u2019t know if he\u2019s a quarterback or not\u2014but he sure thinks he is. Will you throw the ball?\u201d You don\u2019t remember this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I <em>vaguely<\/em> remember that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We whip the ball back and forth; and by the way, he had a better arm at 13 than I did my whole life. Your dad comes over and he goes, \u201cSo what do you think?\u201d I said \u201cWell, there\u2019s a lot more to playing quarterback than throwing the football.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Right; exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I said, \u201cIs he smart?\u201d He goes, \u201cOh my goodness, he is really smart.\u201d [Laughter] I go, \u201cIs he a leader?\u201d \u201cOh, he leads the whole house at 13!\u201d I go, \u201cWell, I can tell you this: if he was in Rochester, Michigan, he\u2019d be my starting quarterback <em>right now<\/em> at 13.\u201d I think I discovered Kirk Cousins. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I love it; I love it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He takes credit for you, Kirk; he takes credit for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Kirk remembers everything, so I don\u2019t know how he doesn\u2019t remember that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We should acknowledge that Julie is here with you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>I was going to say\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I know; I was just going to say, \u201cI\u2019m going to introduce my wife here; Julie\u2019s with me. Julie and I have been married for <em>six<\/em> years, going on seven.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Kirk, it\u2019s not good when you\u2019re hesitating and you\u2019re looking up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I know; we have two boys, Cooper and Turner. Julie is the queen of the house and makes everything go and keeps everything running.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You met and started dating an NFL quarterback; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes; we met eight years ago. I was attending the University of Georgia; Kirk was attending Michigan State, and going into our senior years. Kirk was a year older, so he had a fifth year. Going into our last football season and college semester, we had a family friend say that God put it on her heart to set us up. I didn\u2019t know if she was telling Kirk this, but she was telling me this. She said, \u201cYou can just Google him; look him up.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis was back when Google was just beginning, so I found him on Wikipedia. [Laughter] I saw his picture and just read that he attended Michigan State. I just thought, \u201cI\u2019m in Georgia; he\u2019s in Michigan. I would love to meet him, but I\u2019m not really sure how that would happen. I\u2019ve never been to Michigan. I don\u2019t really know anyone from there.\u201d I just kind of laughed it off; like, \u201cThat\u2019d be fun.\u201d I just kind of dismissed the idea.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSix months later, University of Georgia and Michigan State got matched up in a bowl game. My whole family is diehard Georgia Bulldog fans, so we were going to go to the game anyways. The matchmaker figured out a way\u2014she\u2019s like, \u201cI\u2019ve got to get down there\u201d\u2014she\u2019s a teacher in Atlanta.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Kirk, did you know any of this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t know any of it; no. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is behind-the-scenes matchmaking; okay?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes; well, it came down to the day of the game; and I still hadn\u2019t met him. She said, \u201cAfter the game, just meet us by the team bus; and we\u2019ll just introduce you real quick.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAfter the game\u2014which was triple overtime; Michigan State beat Georgia\u2014so I\u2019m wearing bright red\/got my cowboy boots on\u2014go into this sea of green and just wait. I see Becky, the matchmaker. She pulls me into the circle. Kirk came out in his football uniform. I\u2019m just like, \u201cWhat do I do now?!\u201d\u2014[hesitantly] \u201cHello.\u201d He has <em>no idea<\/em> who I am; he\u2019s looking at me, just like, \u201cWho is this girl? Why is she wearing red?\u201d All I did was say, \u201cHi, I\u2019m Julie; I know Becky.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Did Kirk have a girlfriend at the time?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> He did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh! Let\u2019s hear about this. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Kirk!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What happened to the girlfriend? Where did this go?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Hey, Kirk\u2019s innocent in this whole thing now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I just want to know\u2014when you saw the cowboy boots and the red by the bus, and she said, \u201cHey, I\u2019m Julie,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and she\u2019s super cute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014did you go, \u201cI forget who my other girlfriend is,\u201d\u2014did you forget? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Julie clearly caught my eye. Yes; six years of marriage and two kids later; yes, she caught my eye. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes, he was not unfaithful to his girlfriend or anything. [Laughter] He didn\u2019t even call me or anything until six months later.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Whoa, whoa, wait; six months\u2014why?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Well, we\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He was dating another girl!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> The season ended. I was dating someone else, and I was also training for the draft. There was just a lot of uncertainty with: \u201cWhere am I going to be living? What\u2019s going to be going on?\u201d It was really right after I was drafted that I reached out to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> \u2014the day after the draft.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> We started casually talking, set up a first date\u2014I flew to Atlanta; I rented a car\u2014took her out on a date.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wait! All you\u2019d <em>met<\/em> was by the bus one time\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes; can you imagine?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and six months later, you\u2019re flying to Atlanta to take her out somewhere?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> \u2014and then trying to play it cool\u2014like, \u201cThis isn\u2019t a big deal at all.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cI do this all the time.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> He\u2014also, I was living with my parents; I\u2019m in college in the summer. I\u2019m like, \u201cI can\u2019t have him come to my parents\u2019 house on the first date. This is so intense\u2014like, \u2018Hello, this is my mom and dad.\u2019\u201d I was house-sitting for my aunt, so I had him pick me up over there. He, to this day, doesn\u2019t understand why I did that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I <em>wanted<\/em> to meet everybody; because I thought, \u201cI\u2019ve got one shot at this. I don\u2019t know when I\u2019m going to get back to Atlanta.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Of course, my parents are on his side.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> \u201cI\u2019d like to meet everybody I can meet in this one trip.\u201d It wouldn\u2019t be intimidating for me, but she took it as: \u201cLet\u2019s not overwhelm him on the first date.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Talk about your faith, you guys, in terms of your marriage\u2014this is your life; this is very important to you both\u2014how did that play a factor into deciding whether you should get married or not?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> We were very intentional. That\u2019s kind of the only way I know how to be. [Laughter] I was probably too intentional; right Julie?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> We were dating, and I felt she was the one. I was ready to go; I didn\u2019t really need to keep dating and continue to figure that out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> How quick was that? Was it a couple of months?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> We went on our first date in late June; it was probably late August. I knew pretty quickly; but obviously, wisdom is to have patience; so we actually did date for a while. We didn\u2019t get married for another year-and-a-half. We took our time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I have to tell you\u2014I first heard your name when you were playing at Michigan State, where my mom and dad graduated from Michigan State.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> That\u2019s outstanding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I heard about students all over campus wearing t-shirts that said, \u201cI agree with Kirk.\u201d Tell about: \u201cHow did that get started?\u201d and \u201cWhat did it feel like to be the guy on campus, with everybody has a t-shirt with your name on it?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> was pretty strong on campus at Michigan State; they had a <em>tremendous<\/em> group of students there every week doing weekly meetings. They came up with the idea because, years ago, they had done an evangelistic outreach called \u201cI agree with John.\u201d They marketed it vaguely around campus as: \u201cI agree with John,\u201d\u2014and then\u2014\u201cCome at this time and this place to learn more.\u201d It was the Gospel of John was what they were agreeing with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey thought: \u201cCould we do a spin with that in Kirk\u2019s senior year?\u201d By this time, I had played enough, where people kind of knew my name. They just said: \u201cCould we just do \u2018I agree with Kirk,\u2019 and leave it at that, and allow Kirk to fill in what we\u2019re agreeing with him on when we got there?\u201d I thought it was a cool idea. We probably had over \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t2,000 students show up on a Thursday night in the fall. The chance to stand there, near the end of my senior year, and share the gospel to 2,000 students\u2014that was a \u201cWow!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember walking the campus, as a freshman, redshirting as a player, who was not heavily recruited. The projections were <em>not<\/em> that I was going to be a main contributor on the team, and just walking the campus and saying, \u201cLord, I want to make You famous. I want You to use football as a platform to help make You famous.\u201d So senior year, to have that happen, was pretty special.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Now, where did you get that perspective as a freshman?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> The Don, my dad. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You call him \u201cThe Don\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Yes; I call him \u201cThe Don.\u201d My dad is a pastor in Orlando\u2014loves sports\/loves football\u2014and so obviously, he\u2019s been very involved in my life. He was coaching our teams. You talk about having a mentor, but I had one right there with my dad. He just\u2014I guess both my parents, my mom as well\u2014just rooted that in me. I was raised to think that way I guess you could say.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You mentioned\u2014you didn\u2019t finish the story\u2014you were intentional\/maybe, too intentional.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Yes; so I purchased a book that said\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Oh, yes; I forgot about that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> \u2014<em>101 Questions to Ask Before You Get Engaged<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, yes; <em>we<\/em> have that book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> \u2014and checked off each page.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I wanted to go through them. I was actually surprised with how effective it was to just go through and ask those questions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> We were long-distance dating\u2014because he was in Washington, DC, and I was in Georgia\u2014and so every night, we would do like three questions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> \u2014over the phone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> It was fun; but sometimes, it could feel like an interview\u2014but he doesn\u2019t care\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He\u2019s used to those.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes; but I sometimes felt like: \u201cIf I don\u2019t answer right, what is he going to think?\u201d or \u201cWhat kind of answer does he <em>want<\/em>?\u201d It did allow us to get to know each other. I think we recommended the book to a friend or two. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> We dated, long distance, my rookie year. Then, my second season in Washington, we felt\u2014my parents felt\/her parents felt\u2014it would be wise to have more <em>normal<\/em> time around each other. Julie actually got a teaching job in the Washington area, found a roommate, and moved there\u2014which, without a ring on her finger, was kind of a big deal\u2014but we felt: \u201cLet\u2019s just take the next step in terms of being able to date in a normal setting.\u201d We dated for that season; and near the back half of that season, we got engaged\u2014actually, on the Capitol Hill steps\/the steps of the Capitol building\u2014and then got married the following summer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> How did you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Well, like I said, you kind of know early\u2014that\u2019s certainly more infatuation than love\u2014I didn\u2019t know, when I was younger, how much God uses your spouse to complement you. Looking back now, you start to see how: \u201cShe\u2019s strong, where I\u2019m weak,\u201d \u201cShe\u2019s wise, where I\u2019m foolish,\u201d\u2014the puzzle starts to fit. I find, looking back now, you see how the puzzle fits even more than maybe what you realize when you got down on one knee; but that\u2019s certainly a blessing to be able to see that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Talk about that a little bit more. How are you different; how\u2019s that complemented each other?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Well, obviously, I believe God was our matchmaker and so\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014along with Becky; right?\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014Becky and God together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> It\u2019s so cool; because I would have never crossed paths with him, and God <em>knew<\/em>. It just makes it even cooler to see our differences and how we can be such a team. We both are like productive, and we get things done; but we let each other handle what we\u2019re better at.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I\u2019m in a dark place after we lose a football game, and she\u2019s just fine. She\u2019s smiling her way through it; and it really doesn\u2019t get to her, in a good way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Does that ever <em>annoy<\/em> you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I guess, early on in our marriage, I just needed to <em>learn<\/em> that that\u2019s the way she was; you realize that, and it\u2019s a great blessing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Julie, how did you do that? Because I\u2019ve been around wives of NFL athletes for 30-some years\u2014and when husbands have a bad game, and then everybody in the media is talking about it, and the people in the stands are screaming and yelling\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> I\u2019ve been there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014how horrible your husband is\u2014how do you deal with all of that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> I mean, it hurts; it\u2019s not like I\u2019m like, \u201cOh, whatever.\u201d It is a big deal; it does matter. It hurts my feelings, but it\u2019s not our identity. Football is our job, and I realize that we\u2019re going to fail\u2014that\u2019s life\u2014you\u2019re not going to win every game; you\u2019re not going to play perfect\u2014it\u2019s the lens I choose to look at it. It\u2019s such a fun career; it\u2019s such a fun lifestyle. I\u2019m just going to enjoy it while it lasts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is year nine; I still find myself listening to sports talk radio, just to kind of\/I just want to check it out. I can handle it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> She\u2019s one of the few people\u2014it\u2019s not going to sour her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you hear a call-in guy, going, \u201cThey should get rid of Cousins! He\u2019s <em>terrible<\/em>!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes, they actually said that today. [Laughter] I just have to laugh. I\u2019m just like, \u201cIt\u2019s a compliment that they are talking about my husband on the radio.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Julie, something you said is big\u2014you said, \u201cIt\u2019s our job, not our identity,\u201d\u2014Kirk, that is <em>hard<\/em> not to let that become your identity. How do you do that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Well, you certainly have to remind yourself of it. The spiritual disciplines of memorizing God\u2019s Word\u2014and when you hear lies from the enemy, to be able to repeat truth from the Word\u2014and be reminded of the gospel that: God loves us and died for us, and that He wants a relationship with us, and it\u2019s not performance-based. That\u2019s truth with a capital \u201cT.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can say all that, but it\u2019s still tough; right? I mean, you still throw interceptions; you lose games. Football matters to me\u2014it\u2019s not who I am\u2014but it\u2019s certainly a big part of my life, so it will always hurt to lose. It will always be something that matters a great deal to me, but you just always have to check yourself and continue to work through that to make sure your heart and mind are in a healthy place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think the average fan or average spectator understands how hard it is at times. Obviously, it\u2019s a wonderful job, and you\u2019re paid well, and you have the limelight; but I don\u2019t think they understand\u2014not just losing\u2014but how tough it is. I remember one time in Detroit, and you can imagine Detroit, there was a lot of people upset <em>most<\/em> years. In 33 seasons\u2014I\u2019ve joked about this\u2014but I\u2019m the losingest chaplain in the NFL. I didn\u2019t know that that was a real thing, but it\u2019s true. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut think about this: we had Joey Harrington, back in the day, quarterback, when we were not doing well\u2014first rounder\u2014come to our church and do a night. It was really interesting; because that season, we were playing terrible. People would come up to me, the pastor in the lobby, and make a Lions\u2019 joke; because there was all kind of jokes going around. I would look at them\u2014a couple of times, I\u2019d just sort of smile\u2014but at some point, I go, \u201cYou know what? Those aren\u2019t really funny to me. This is my <em>family<\/em>. These are the guys and wives that we\u2019re\u2014so tell those jokes somewhere else. You don\u2019t hear me joking on the stage\u2026 blah, blah\u201d; but they just keep coming up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, Joey comes and he said, \u201cFirst of all, I\u2019m not going to be interviewed. You can interview the other guys that go to your Bible Study; I don\u2019t go to your Bible Study. I respect you, and I\u2019ll come be a part of your church.\u201d When we went to the part, where I\u2019m going to interview all the players, he goes off to the side; and then he starts walking out and sits down. We\u2019re like, \u201cWhat\u2019s he doing?!\u201d He sort of wanted to be a part of it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said to our church that night\u2014I\u2019ll never forget\u2014I just looked at that congregation and said, \u201cI want you to understand something; this guy doesn\u2019t go out\u201d\u2014he was single at the time\u2014\u201che doesn\u2019t go in a restaurant. People here joke about him. This is his life; he throws four picks, and all you make fun of him. I know he\u2019s paid millions of dollars, so you think his life is okay. It\u2019s really <em>hard<\/em> for him.\u201d I look over, and he\u2019s looking at me. I could tell he\u2019s like, \u201cIt\u2019s okay for you to say this.\u201d The congregation\u2014I probably did this for five minutes\u2014I wanted them to understand: \u201cThis is really hard for him. He doesn\u2019t go to a restaurant, because he doesn\u2019t want to be seen.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe whole place stands up and gives him a standing ovation. I think they <em>finally<\/em> went: \u201cOh, my,\u201d\u2014even people\/it\u2019s like they were repenting\u2014it\u2019s like, \u201cI\u2019m the guy joking,\u201d but they <em>saw<\/em> him. He starts tearing up. I\u2019ll never forget it; because it was like: \u201c<em>That\u2019s<\/em> what you guys deal with.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTalk about that for a little bit, because the average person doesn\u2019t understand. We just think, \u201cOh you make a lot of money, everybody knows your name\u2014that\u2019s all it is,\u201d\u2014but it isn\u2019t the easiest thing in the world; is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Right; that\u2019s what I think about: \u201cI could <em>never<\/em> do it; I would last 30 seconds on that football field. I would be like, \u2018I quit! I\u2019m done.\u2019\u201d That\u2019s also what helps me not get all wound up; because first of all, I\u2019m just proud of the fact that he can do this, year in and year out, day after day\u2014the grind\u2014and just to like, especially as the quarterback, to put in the work and then have the confidence to go out there and lead your team. That, alone, is like\u2014\u201cWow,\u201d\u2014and not just pout and quit\u2014and just watching him handle it. I really admire that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Kirk, do you handle it different now, year nine, than you did year one or two?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Certainly. I remember year three; that was our first year of marriage. I got benched\u2014got an opportunity to play, wasn\u2019t planning on playing, got an opportunity\/was very up and down in the way I played\u2014and got benched.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> \u2014in the middle of the game.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> It really hurt; it was tough. I was in a tough place for the rest of that season. That\u2019s when I had to ask those questions of: \u201cDoes this mean too much to me? Is this more of my identity than it should be?\u201d I had those conversations through the end of that season and through that off season. Then, every year since then, it\u2019s been a learning experience. You continue to stack up those failures, those successes, and everything in between. You get to year nine, and you have a really bad day, which I\u2019ve had this year. You learn to say, \u201cChalk that up to a tough day at the office,\u201d and you got to move on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI do think you grow in it, and that\u2019s part of anything in life that you\u2019ve done a bunch. It\u2019s a challenge; it\u2019s a grind. There\u2019s a reason you\u2019re paid well\u2014is because it is that difficult\u2014and it\u2019s hard to find people who can do it. If they could find anybody, the laws of supply and demand would mean you wouldn\u2019t get paid a whole lot. I don\u2019t think anybody needs to feel sorry for us either: we feel very fortunate; we feel like we\u2019re living a dream.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> We go to restaurants. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Just listening to you, and thinking back to your freshman year at college, where you walked on the campus and said, \u201cI want Your name to be great,\u201d\u2014you get drafted in the NFL\u2014that\u2019s still your perspective as you go into the league. You\u2019re at the top of your profession; and yet, you don\u2019t let your profession define who you are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just thinking of listeners\u2014who are in whatever their work situation, or their home situation, or whatever\u2014our circumstances can define us. We can forget what is the big reason why we\u2019re here and get distracted by lesser things. Just listening to you, I\u2019m reminded of the fact that we\u2019re all here to make His name great, and it\u2019s what each one of us ought to be doing wherever God has planted us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to continue the conversation with Kirk and Julie Cousins tomorrow, but I just want to encourage listeners\u2014I know you guys [Kirk and Julie] have read Dave and Ann Wilson\u2019s book, <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>, and maybe even seen the video series\u2014this series really talks about how to have the right perspective, not just on our vocation but on our marriage, how we should go vertical, as you guys [Dave and Ann] like to say, in our marriages. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got copies of Dave and Ann\u2019s book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order the book from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get a copy of Dave and Ann\u2019s book. Again, the title of the book is <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>, and it is both a book and small group series. There\u2019s information about the small group series on our website as well. Again, FamilyLifeToday.com is the website; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY if you have any questions about the book or about the small group series. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just mention here that many of you have been asking us, in recent days, about our plans for this spring for the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways that we host. Of course, it\u2019s been a little tricky this year with COVID and with different regulations in different municipalities. We have, I think, about ten events currently scheduled. We\u2019re looking to add additional events, but we\u2019re having to work that out in different locations. You can go to our website at FamilyLifeToday.com for information about the events that are currently scheduled. We expect that these events are probably going to sell out pretty quickly, because we are limiting the capacity in the hotel ballrooms. If you are interested in attending one of these upcoming events, you can find out more when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com. I\u2019d just encourage you to sign up now for the event. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf for some reason you can\u2019t get to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>, we\u2019ve got something we\u2019re working on to send your way\u2014we\u2019ll have more information about it later this month\u2014but it\u2019s a FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> Dates to Remember Date Box\u2014everything you need for three great dates together to have some significant conversation. Stay tuned for more information about the date box, and we\u2019ll share that with you when we\u2019ve got more to share.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFinally, let me say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who made a yearend contribution for the support of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We are so grateful to those of you, who at the end of 2020, made a yearend contribution. We\u2019re still opening mail that came in near the end of the year. We hope to have a final number next week to know if we were able to take full advantage of that matching gift, but we just want you to know how thankful we are for your partnership with us in the ministry of the gospel through the work of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We are grateful for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you can join us, again, tomorrow; Kirk and Julie Cousins will be here again. We\u2019re going to talk about a number of things. I want to ask about those people, who say being a Christian is a liability for professional athletes; because it makes you less competitive or too kind or soft. We\u2019ll talk about that tomorrow. I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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Everybody in the stands is calling your husband a bum; what would that feel like? Well, Julie Cousins, the wife of pro quarterback Kirk Cousins, doesn\u2019t have to imagine it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> <a id=\"_Hlk58767655\">I mean, it hurts. It\u2019s not like I\u2019m like \u201cOh, whatever.\u201d It is a big deal; it does matter. It hurts my feelings, but it\u2019s not our identity. Football is our job, and I realize that we\u2019re going to fail\u2014that\u2019s life\u2014you\u2019re not going to win every game; you\u2019re not going to play perfect\u2014it\u2019s the lens I choose to look at it. It\u2019s such a fun career; it\u2019s such a fun lifestyle. I\u2019m just going to enjoy it while it lasts.<\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, January 7<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You\u2019ll find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019re going to hear today what it\u2019s like to live your life with your successes and your failures out in front of everybody, right there on the front page. We\u2019re also going to hear how God brought Kirk and Julie Cousins together\u2014pretty remarkable story\u2014stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Broadcasting from Minneapolis, Minnesota]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I think this is going to be\u2014whether a listener is a football person or not\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Are we talking football today, Bob?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, I think\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know; but someone\u2019s over here, <em>salivating<\/em>, because this is the topic that he likes to discuss. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Maybe.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Listeners are going to love this, too,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, they are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014because it\u2019s more than football we\u2019re talking about here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Is there anybody that doesn\u2019t love football?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Everybody loves football. Today, they\u2019re going to love football; because they\u2019re going to get a behind-the-scenes look in some things that most people don\u2019t know about football and, specifically, the NFL. We are in Minneapolis, Minnesota, with Kirk and Julie Cousins, who are going to be our guests today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you don\u2019t know that name, Kirk is the quarterback of the Minnesota Vikings, went to the Pro Bowl last year, been in the league nine years. There\u2019s all kinds of great stuff I could say; but he\u2019s, not only a great quarterback, but a great man and a great marriage. We\u2019re going to talk behind the scenes, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Why don\u2019t you tell listeners about the first time you met. I don\u2019t even know if you [Kirk]\u00a0 remember\u2014do you remember the first time you and Dave met?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>I believe it was at a Detroit Lions chapel, when I was very young; but maybe I have that wrong.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I was at Hope College. You were 13 years old; do you remember this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> No, no.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m going to tell you something that I deserve credit for something. What happened was\u2014Jason Hanson, our kicker at the time,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014and Nick Harris, was our punter, were invited over to Hope College to do a little kicking camp\u2014just an afternoon. Our friend, Denny Allen, basically said, \u201cHey, Dave, you should come along too.\u201d I\u2019m like \u201cWhat for?\u201d He goes \u201cI don\u2019t know; you\u2019ve got nothing else to do. Chaplains don\u2019t do anything; right?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI end up over there, and they\u2019re doing this little kicking thing in the football field at Hope College. Your dad, Don, comes over. Now I knew Don because he was a consultant for our church when we started Kensington back in the \u201890s. Don walks over to me\u2014I\u2019ll never forget this\u2014and he goes \u201cHey, you\u2019re a high school quarterback coach; right?\u201d I was coaching high school football.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk: <\/strong>You played in college.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes\u2014he said that\u2014\u201cYou played college football; right? You\u2019re in the Hall of Fame.\u201d He\u2019s just going on with all this stuff; I\u2019m like, \u201cWhere is he going with this?\u201d He goes, \u201cMy kid thinks he\u2019s a quarterback. Will you throw the ball with him and tell me?\u2014because I don\u2019t know if he\u2019s a quarterback or not\u2014but he sure thinks he is. Will you throw the ball?\u201d You don\u2019t remember this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I <em>vaguely<\/em> remember that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We whip the ball back and forth; and by the way, he had a better arm at 13 than I did my whole life. Your dad comes over and he goes, \u201cSo what do you think?\u201d I said \u201cWell, there\u2019s a lot more to playing quarterback than throwing the football.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Right; exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I said, \u201cIs he smart?\u201d He goes, \u201cOh my goodness, he is really smart.\u201d [Laughter] I go, \u201cIs he a leader?\u201d \u201cOh, he leads the whole house at 13!\u201d I go, \u201cWell, I can tell you this: if he was in Rochester, Michigan, he\u2019d be my starting quarterback <em>right now<\/em> at 13.\u201d I think I discovered Kirk Cousins. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I love it; I love it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He takes credit for you, Kirk; he takes credit for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Kirk remembers everything, so I don\u2019t know how he doesn\u2019t remember that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We should acknowledge that Julie is here with you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie: <\/strong>I was going to say\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I know; I was just going to say, \u201cI\u2019m going to introduce my wife here; Julie\u2019s with me. Julie and I have been married for <em>six<\/em> years, going on seven.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Kirk, it\u2019s not good when you\u2019re hesitating and you\u2019re looking up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I know; we have two boys, Cooper and Turner. Julie is the queen of the house and makes everything go and keeps everything running.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You met and started dating an NFL quarterback; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes; we met eight years ago. I was attending the University of Georgia; Kirk was attending Michigan State, and going into our senior years. Kirk was a year older, so he had a fifth year. Going into our last football season and college semester, we had a family friend say that God put it on her heart to set us up. I didn\u2019t know if she was telling Kirk this, but she was telling me this. She said, \u201cYou can just Google him; look him up.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis was back when Google was just beginning, so I found him on Wikipedia. [Laughter] I saw his picture and just read that he attended Michigan State. I just thought, \u201cI\u2019m in Georgia; he\u2019s in Michigan. I would love to meet him, but I\u2019m not really sure how that would happen. I\u2019ve never been to Michigan. I don\u2019t really know anyone from there.\u201d I just kind of laughed it off; like, \u201cThat\u2019d be fun.\u201d I just kind of dismissed the idea.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSix months later, University of Georgia and Michigan State got matched up in a bowl game. My whole family is diehard Georgia Bulldog fans, so we were going to go to the game anyways. The matchmaker figured out a way\u2014she\u2019s like, \u201cI\u2019ve got to get down there\u201d\u2014she\u2019s a teacher in Atlanta.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Kirk, did you know any of this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t know any of it; no. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is behind-the-scenes matchmaking; okay?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes; well, it came down to the day of the game; and I still hadn\u2019t met him. She said, \u201cAfter the game, just meet us by the team bus; and we\u2019ll just introduce you real quick.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAfter the game\u2014which was triple overtime; Michigan State beat Georgia\u2014so I\u2019m wearing bright red\/got my cowboy boots on\u2014go into this sea of green and just wait. I see Becky, the matchmaker. She pulls me into the circle. Kirk came out in his football uniform. I\u2019m just like, \u201cWhat do I do now?!\u201d\u2014[hesitantly] \u201cHello.\u201d He has <em>no idea<\/em> who I am; he\u2019s looking at me, just like, \u201cWho is this girl? Why is she wearing red?\u201d All I did was say, \u201cHi, I\u2019m Julie; I know Becky.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Did Kirk have a girlfriend at the time?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> He did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh! Let\u2019s hear about this. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Kirk!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What happened to the girlfriend? Where did this go?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Hey, Kirk\u2019s innocent in this whole thing now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I just want to know\u2014when you saw the cowboy boots and the red by the bus, and she said, \u201cHey, I\u2019m Julie,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and she\u2019s super cute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014did you go, \u201cI forget who my other girlfriend is,\u201d\u2014did you forget? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Julie clearly caught my eye. Yes; six years of marriage and two kids later; yes, she caught my eye. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes, he was not unfaithful to his girlfriend or anything. [Laughter] He didn\u2019t even call me or anything until six months later.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Whoa, whoa, wait; six months\u2014why?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Well, we\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He was dating another girl!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> The season ended. I was dating someone else, and I was also training for the draft. There was just a lot of uncertainty with: \u201cWhere am I going to be living? What\u2019s going to be going on?\u201d It was really right after I was drafted that I reached out to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> \u2014the day after the draft.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> We started casually talking, set up a first date\u2014I flew to Atlanta; I rented a car\u2014took her out on a date.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wait! All you\u2019d <em>met<\/em> was by the bus one time\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes; can you imagine?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and six months later, you\u2019re flying to Atlanta to take her out somewhere?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> \u2014and then trying to play it cool\u2014like, \u201cThis isn\u2019t a big deal at all.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cI do this all the time.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> He\u2014also, I was living with my parents; I\u2019m in college in the summer. I\u2019m like, \u201cI can\u2019t have him come to my parents\u2019 house on the first date. This is so intense\u2014like, \u2018Hello, this is my mom and dad.\u2019\u201d I was house-sitting for my aunt, so I had him pick me up over there. He, to this day, doesn\u2019t understand why I did that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I <em>wanted<\/em> to meet everybody; because I thought, \u201cI\u2019ve got one shot at this. I don\u2019t know when I\u2019m going to get back to Atlanta.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Of course, my parents are on his side.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> \u201cI\u2019d like to meet everybody I can meet in this one trip.\u201d It wouldn\u2019t be intimidating for me, but she took it as: \u201cLet\u2019s not overwhelm him on the first date.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Talk about your faith, you guys, in terms of your marriage\u2014this is your life; this is very important to you both\u2014how did that play a factor into deciding whether you should get married or not?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> We were very intentional. That\u2019s kind of the only way I know how to be. [Laughter] I was probably too intentional; right Julie?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> We were dating, and I felt she was the one. I was ready to go; I didn\u2019t really need to keep dating and continue to figure that out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> How quick was that? Was it a couple of months?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> We went on our first date in late June; it was probably late August. I knew pretty quickly; but obviously, wisdom is to have patience; so we actually did date for a while. We didn\u2019t get married for another year-and-a-half. We took our time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I have to tell you\u2014I first heard your name when you were playing at Michigan State, where my mom and dad graduated from Michigan State.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> That\u2019s outstanding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I heard about students all over campus wearing t-shirts that said, \u201cI agree with Kirk.\u201d Tell about: \u201cHow did that get started?\u201d and \u201cWhat did it feel like to be the guy on campus, with everybody has a t-shirt with your name on it?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> was pretty strong on campus at Michigan State; they had a <em>tremendous<\/em> group of students there every week doing weekly meetings. They came up with the idea because, years ago, they had done an evangelistic outreach called \u201cI agree with John.\u201d They marketed it vaguely around campus as: \u201cI agree with John,\u201d\u2014and then\u2014\u201cCome at this time and this place to learn more.\u201d It was the Gospel of John was what they were agreeing with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey thought: \u201cCould we do a spin with that in Kirk\u2019s senior year?\u201d By this time, I had played enough, where people kind of knew my name. They just said: \u201cCould we just do \u2018I agree with Kirk,\u2019 and leave it at that, and allow Kirk to fill in what we\u2019re agreeing with him on when we got there?\u201d I thought it was a cool idea. We probably had over \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t2,000 students show up on a Thursday night in the fall. The chance to stand there, near the end of my senior year, and share the gospel to 2,000 students\u2014that was a \u201cWow!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember walking the campus, as a freshman, redshirting as a player, who was not heavily recruited. The projections were <em>not<\/em> that I was going to be a main contributor on the team, and just walking the campus and saying, \u201cLord, I want to make You famous. I want You to use football as a platform to help make You famous.\u201d So senior year, to have that happen, was pretty special.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Now, where did you get that perspective as a freshman?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> The Don, my dad. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You call him \u201cThe Don\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Yes; I call him \u201cThe Don.\u201d My dad is a pastor in Orlando\u2014loves sports\/loves football\u2014and so obviously, he\u2019s been very involved in my life. He was coaching our teams. You talk about having a mentor, but I had one right there with my dad. He just\u2014I guess both my parents, my mom as well\u2014just rooted that in me. I was raised to think that way I guess you could say.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You mentioned\u2014you didn\u2019t finish the story\u2014you were intentional\/maybe, too intentional.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Yes; so I purchased a book that said\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Oh, yes; I forgot about that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> \u2014<em>101 Questions to Ask Before You Get Engaged<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, yes; <em>we<\/em> have that book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> \u2014and checked off each page.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I wanted to go through them. I was actually surprised with how effective it was to just go through and ask those questions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> We were long-distance dating\u2014because he was in Washington, DC, and I was in Georgia\u2014and so every night, we would do like three questions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> \u2014over the phone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> It was fun; but sometimes, it could feel like an interview\u2014but he doesn\u2019t care\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He\u2019s used to those.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes; but I sometimes felt like: \u201cIf I don\u2019t answer right, what is he going to think?\u201d or \u201cWhat kind of answer does he <em>want<\/em>?\u201d It did allow us to get to know each other. I think we recommended the book to a friend or two. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> We dated, long distance, my rookie year. Then, my second season in Washington, we felt\u2014my parents felt\/her parents felt\u2014it would be wise to have more <em>normal<\/em> time around each other. Julie actually got a teaching job in the Washington area, found a roommate, and moved there\u2014which, without a ring on her finger, was kind of a big deal\u2014but we felt: \u201cLet\u2019s just take the next step in terms of being able to date in a normal setting.\u201d We dated for that season; and near the back half of that season, we got engaged\u2014actually, on the Capitol Hill steps\/the steps of the Capitol building\u2014and then got married the following summer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> How did you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Well, like I said, you kind of know early\u2014that\u2019s certainly more infatuation than love\u2014I didn\u2019t know, when I was younger, how much God uses your spouse to complement you. Looking back now, you start to see how: \u201cShe\u2019s strong, where I\u2019m weak,\u201d \u201cShe\u2019s wise, where I\u2019m foolish,\u201d\u2014the puzzle starts to fit. I find, looking back now, you see how the puzzle fits even more than maybe what you realize when you got down on one knee; but that\u2019s certainly a blessing to be able to see that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Talk about that a little bit more. How are you different; how\u2019s that complemented each other?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Well, obviously, I believe God was our matchmaker and so\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014along with Becky; right?\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014Becky and God together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> It\u2019s so cool; because I would have never crossed paths with him, and God <em>knew<\/em>. It just makes it even cooler to see our differences and how we can be such a team. We both are like productive, and we get things done; but we let each other handle what we\u2019re better at.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I\u2019m in a dark place after we lose a football game, and she\u2019s just fine. She\u2019s smiling her way through it; and it really doesn\u2019t get to her, in a good way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Does that ever <em>annoy<\/em> you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> I guess, early on in our marriage, I just needed to <em>learn<\/em> that that\u2019s the way she was; you realize that, and it\u2019s a great blessing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Julie, how did you do that? Because I\u2019ve been around wives of NFL athletes for 30-some years\u2014and when husbands have a bad game, and then everybody in the media is talking about it, and the people in the stands are screaming and yelling\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> I\u2019ve been there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014how horrible your husband is\u2014how do you deal with all of that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> I mean, it hurts; it\u2019s not like I\u2019m like, \u201cOh, whatever.\u201d It is a big deal; it does matter. It hurts my feelings, but it\u2019s not our identity. Football is our job, and I realize that we\u2019re going to fail\u2014that\u2019s life\u2014you\u2019re not going to win every game; you\u2019re not going to play perfect\u2014it\u2019s the lens I choose to look at it. It\u2019s such a fun career; it\u2019s such a fun lifestyle. I\u2019m just going to enjoy it while it lasts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is year nine; I still find myself listening to sports talk radio, just to kind of\/I just want to check it out. I can handle it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> She\u2019s one of the few people\u2014it\u2019s not going to sour her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you hear a call-in guy, going, \u201cThey should get rid of Cousins! He\u2019s <em>terrible<\/em>!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Yes, they actually said that today. [Laughter] I just have to laugh. I\u2019m just like, \u201cIt\u2019s a compliment that they are talking about my husband on the radio.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Julie, something you said is big\u2014you said, \u201cIt\u2019s our job, not our identity,\u201d\u2014Kirk, that is <em>hard<\/em> not to let that become your identity. How do you do that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Well, you certainly have to remind yourself of it. The spiritual disciplines of memorizing God\u2019s Word\u2014and when you hear lies from the enemy, to be able to repeat truth from the Word\u2014and be reminded of the gospel that: God loves us and died for us, and that He wants a relationship with us, and it\u2019s not performance-based. That\u2019s truth with a capital \u201cT.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can say all that, but it\u2019s still tough; right? I mean, you still throw interceptions; you lose games. Football matters to me\u2014it\u2019s not who I am\u2014but it\u2019s certainly a big part of my life, so it will always hurt to lose. It will always be something that matters a great deal to me, but you just always have to check yourself and continue to work through that to make sure your heart and mind are in a healthy place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think the average fan or average spectator understands how hard it is at times. Obviously, it\u2019s a wonderful job, and you\u2019re paid well, and you have the limelight; but I don\u2019t think they understand\u2014not just losing\u2014but how tough it is. I remember one time in Detroit, and you can imagine Detroit, there was a lot of people upset <em>most<\/em> years. In 33 seasons\u2014I\u2019ve joked about this\u2014but I\u2019m the losingest chaplain in the NFL. I didn\u2019t know that that was a real thing, but it\u2019s true. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut think about this: we had Joey Harrington, back in the day, quarterback, when we were not doing well\u2014first rounder\u2014come to our church and do a night. It was really interesting; because that season, we were playing terrible. People would come up to me, the pastor in the lobby, and make a Lions\u2019 joke; because there was all kind of jokes going around. I would look at them\u2014a couple of times, I\u2019d just sort of smile\u2014but at some point, I go, \u201cYou know what? Those aren\u2019t really funny to me. This is my <em>family<\/em>. These are the guys and wives that we\u2019re\u2014so tell those jokes somewhere else. You don\u2019t hear me joking on the stage\u2026 blah, blah\u201d; but they just keep coming up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, Joey comes and he said, \u201cFirst of all, I\u2019m not going to be interviewed. You can interview the other guys that go to your Bible Study; I don\u2019t go to your Bible Study. I respect you, and I\u2019ll come be a part of your church.\u201d When we went to the part, where I\u2019m going to interview all the players, he goes off to the side; and then he starts walking out and sits down. We\u2019re like, \u201cWhat\u2019s he doing?!\u201d He sort of wanted to be a part of it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said to our church that night\u2014I\u2019ll never forget\u2014I just looked at that congregation and said, \u201cI want you to understand something; this guy doesn\u2019t go out\u201d\u2014he was single at the time\u2014\u201che doesn\u2019t go in a restaurant. People here joke about him. This is his life; he throws four picks, and all you make fun of him. I know he\u2019s paid millions of dollars, so you think his life is okay. It\u2019s really <em>hard<\/em> for him.\u201d I look over, and he\u2019s looking at me. I could tell he\u2019s like, \u201cIt\u2019s okay for you to say this.\u201d The congregation\u2014I probably did this for five minutes\u2014I wanted them to understand: \u201cThis is really hard for him. He doesn\u2019t go to a restaurant, because he doesn\u2019t want to be seen.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe whole place stands up and gives him a standing ovation. I think they <em>finally<\/em> went: \u201cOh, my,\u201d\u2014even people\/it\u2019s like they were repenting\u2014it\u2019s like, \u201cI\u2019m the guy joking,\u201d but they <em>saw<\/em> him. He starts tearing up. I\u2019ll never forget it; because it was like: \u201c<em>That\u2019s<\/em> what you guys deal with.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTalk about that for a little bit, because the average person doesn\u2019t understand. We just think, \u201cOh you make a lot of money, everybody knows your name\u2014that\u2019s all it is,\u201d\u2014but it isn\u2019t the easiest thing in the world; is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> Right; that\u2019s what I think about: \u201cI could <em>never<\/em> do it; I would last 30 seconds on that football field. I would be like, \u2018I quit! I\u2019m done.\u2019\u201d That\u2019s also what helps me not get all wound up; because first of all, I\u2019m just proud of the fact that he can do this, year in and year out, day after day\u2014the grind\u2014and just to like, especially as the quarterback, to put in the work and then have the confidence to go out there and lead your team. That, alone, is like\u2014\u201cWow,\u201d\u2014and not just pout and quit\u2014and just watching him handle it. I really admire that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Kirk, do you handle it different now, year nine, than you did year one or two?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> Certainly. I remember year three; that was our first year of marriage. I got benched\u2014got an opportunity to play, wasn\u2019t planning on playing, got an opportunity\/was very up and down in the way I played\u2014and got benched.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> \u2014in the middle of the game.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kirk:<\/strong> It really hurt; it was tough. I was in a tough place for the rest of that season. That\u2019s when I had to ask those questions of: \u201cDoes this mean too much to me? Is this more of my identity than it should be?\u201d I had those conversations through the end of that season and through that off season. Then, every year since then, it\u2019s been a learning experience. You continue to stack up those failures, those successes, and everything in between. You get to year nine, and you have a really bad day, which I\u2019ve had this year. You learn to say, \u201cChalk that up to a tough day at the office,\u201d and you got to move on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI do think you grow in it, and that\u2019s part of anything in life that you\u2019ve done a bunch. It\u2019s a challenge; it\u2019s a grind. There\u2019s a reason you\u2019re paid well\u2014is because it is that difficult\u2014and it\u2019s hard to find people who can do it. If they could find anybody, the laws of supply and demand would mean you wouldn\u2019t get paid a whole lot. I don\u2019t think anybody needs to feel sorry for us either: we feel very fortunate; we feel like we\u2019re living a dream.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Julie:<\/strong> We go to restaurants. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Just listening to you, and thinking back to your freshman year at college, where you walked on the campus and said, \u201cI want Your name to be great,\u201d\u2014you get drafted in the NFL\u2014that\u2019s still your perspective as you go into the league. You\u2019re at the top of your profession; and yet, you don\u2019t let your profession define who you are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just thinking of listeners\u2014who are in whatever their work situation, or their home situation, or whatever\u2014our circumstances can define us. We can forget what is the big reason why we\u2019re here and get distracted by lesser things. Just listening to you, I\u2019m reminded of the fact that we\u2019re all here to make His name great, and it\u2019s what each one of us ought to be doing wherever God has planted us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to continue the conversation with Kirk and Julie Cousins tomorrow, but I just want to encourage listeners\u2014I know you guys [Kirk and Julie] have read Dave and Ann Wilson\u2019s book, <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>, and maybe even seen the video series\u2014this series really talks about how to have the right perspective, not just on our vocation but on our marriage, how we should go vertical, as you guys [Dave and Ann] like to say, in our marriages. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got copies of Dave and Ann\u2019s book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order the book from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get a copy of Dave and Ann\u2019s book. Again, the title of the book is <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>, and it is both a book and small group series. There\u2019s information about the small group series on our website as well. Again, FamilyLifeToday.com is the website; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY if you have any questions about the book or about the small group series. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just mention here that many of you have been asking us, in recent days, about our plans for this spring for the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways that we host. Of course, it\u2019s been a little tricky this year with COVID and with different regulations in different municipalities. We have, I think, about ten events currently scheduled. We\u2019re looking to add additional events, but we\u2019re having to work that out in different locations. You can go to our website at FamilyLifeToday.com for information about the events that are currently scheduled. We expect that these events are probably going to sell out pretty quickly, because we are limiting the capacity in the hotel ballrooms. If you are interested in attending one of these upcoming events, you can find out more when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com. I\u2019d just encourage you to sign up now for the event. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf for some reason you can\u2019t get to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>, we\u2019ve got something we\u2019re working on to send your way\u2014we\u2019ll have more information about it later this month\u2014but it\u2019s a FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> Dates to Remember Date Box\u2014everything you need for three great dates together to have some significant conversation. Stay tuned for more information about the date box, and we\u2019ll share that with you when we\u2019ve got more to share.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFinally, let me say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who made a yearend contribution for the support of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We are so grateful to those of you, who at the end of 2020, made a yearend contribution. We\u2019re still opening mail that came in near the end of the year. We hope to have a final number next week to know if we were able to take full advantage of that matching gift, but we just want you to know how thankful we are for your partnership with us in the ministry of the gospel through the work of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We are grateful for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you can join us, again, tomorrow; Kirk and Julie Cousins will be here again. We\u2019re going to talk about a number of things. I want to ask about those people, who say being a Christian is a liability for professional athletes; because it makes you less competitive or too kind or soft. We\u2019ll talk about that tomorrow. I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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