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Inserra walks us through the list of cultural Christians, and why they are missing the mark.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2020-12-30.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We often talk about the Bible Belt as the place in our country where Christianity is thriving. Pastor Dean Inserra says that may not be accurate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>Bible Belt is somebody who loves Jesus, but they\u2019re loving Jesus as more of a country music Jesus than it is the actual Jesus of the Bible. This is somebody who wants enough of Jesus to be personally identified with, but not enough to be personally inconvenienced. I would say a lot of Bible Belt folks don\u2019t really have a saving faith\u2014Jesus is just kind of part of life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey all claim a church, even though they don\u2019t go to one. Usually that means that\u2019s their grandmother\u2019s church. They go on Mother\u2019s Day, because it means a lot to her\u2014is what they\u2019re told by their mother\u2014the kind of a pressure type of thing of, \u201cIt would mean so much to your Nana if you come to church on Sunday. Will you please come? It\u2019s Mother\u2019s Day.\u201d \u201cOf course! Yes, of course we\u2019ll do that.\u201d They\u2019ll show up, see some friends, and never come back again until the next year.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, December 30<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Depending on how you use the word, \u201cChristian,\u201d Dean Inserra says there are some people, who are saved Christians, and some people who are unsaved Christians. We\u2019ll talk more about what he means by that today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You used a phrase\u2014what did you call it?\u2014a \u201cChreaster\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: \u201c<\/strong>Chreaster.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A \u201cChreaster\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019d heard a C\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Come on, you\u2019ve heard of Chreasters!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019d heard a \u201cCEO Christian.\u201d You\u2019d heard a CEO Christian?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes, same thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, \u201cChristmas and Easter Only\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014that\u2019s what CEO stands for. But that\u2019s what you\u2019re talking about\u2014a Chreaster; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s also what Dean Inserra\u2019s talking about, a little bit\u2014that\u2019s one of the categories\u2014he talks about in his book, <em>The Unsaved Christian<\/em>. We\u2019re going to continue our conversation that we\u2019ve been having with Dean this week here in just a minute. But before we get to that, we\u2019ve got a special announcement from the president of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, David Robbins. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> 2020 has been a vivid reminder of why we need to stay deeply rooted, and connected, and committed to Jesus and double down on the vision and mission God has given FamilyLife. We want to keep living out the passion of reaching <em>every<\/em> home with the gospel; there are more opportunities than ever today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis year <em>every<\/em> home is feeling deep needs, especially right now. I can\u2019t tell you how many heart-breaking stories I\u2019ve heard about someone losing their job, husbands and wives feeling isolated in their own homes, and the impact that COVID and quarantine has had on families. We need <em>you<\/em>, as a listener\/as someone who\u2019s benefitted, I pray, from <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, to come alongside us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you find yourself saying, \u201cGuys, I really do believe God is still in control; and He\u2019s doing something unique through all the craziness of 2020\u201d; and if you\u2019re passionate about receiving and sharing biblical help and hope, and passionate about calling people to surrender to Jesus Christ to make their marriage and family go the distance, then I invite you to partner with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs we turn the page on 2020, time is running out to have your gift matched. We have not yet met our match goal, and we need your support. Will you consider donating today? Your gift helps make our mission possible to go out and reach <em>every<\/em> corner and <em>every<\/em> community. Thank you for being such a blessing to us, and thank you for helping us meet this critical match.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; wedo hope we can hear from you today or tomorrow so we can take advantage of this matching gift as David mentioned. You can give, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a yearend donation. We\u2019ll send you a couple of thank-you gifts when you donate. We\u2019ll send you a copy of my book, <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em>. We\u2019ll also send you a flash drive with more than 100 of the best <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> programs from the last 28 years. Again, help us take advantage of this matching gift and make a yearend donation today, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a donation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlright, let\u2019s talk about what we mean when we talk about \u201cunsaved\u201d Christians. Dean Inserra is joining us, again, today. He\u2019s the author of a book by that title. Dean, welcome back to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Good to have you here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Dean is the pastor of City Church in Tallahassee, Florida. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis book\u2014again, a provocative title\u2014but you\u2019re trying to get to the heart of the fact that there\u2019s a difference between a person, who says, \u201cI\u2019m a Christian,\u201d and a person who really is a follower of Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>Yes, and hopefully equipping the church to be able to reach these people, who I believe are part of the largest mission field in America\u2014which are people that claim to be Christians, but the Christianity they claim is not the Christianity of the Bible\u2014it\u2019s sort of an American hobby or superstition type of approach.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In the mid-1970s, back before you were born, I remember the governor of Georgia, Jimmy Carter, who was running for President, who made a big deal about the fact that he was a born-again Christian. Well, it entered the vernacular. All of a sudden, people were like, \u201cWhat does this mean? What is a born-again Christian?\u201d There was a dividing line\u2014do you remember this?\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, I do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014where people would say, \u201cAre you one of those born-agains?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That\u2019s exactly how they would say it; it was almost heretical.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, it\u2019s like, \u201c\u2026one of those born-agains,\u201d\u2014like\u2014\u201cAre you one of those crackpots?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn our day, I think there\u2019s a little different phenomenon going on, which is like, \u201cAre you an evangelical?\u201d What that means to a lot of people is: \u201cAre you a Republican?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You talk a little bit about this in the book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>I do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So how do we deal with that? When a friend says, \u201cSo are you one of the evangelicals?\u201d how do you answer that in a way that gets through the clutter?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That\u2019s a loaded question; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>I\u2019m ready to rock and roll on that one. [Laughter] The first response <em>must<\/em> be, \u201cWhat do you mean by that?\u201d That\u2019s not a cop-out; we have to, because it\u2019s so confusing now about: \u201cWhat is evangelical; what is not?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSomehow, over history, what has happened\u2014when I read through it and look back, it seems like it\u2019s a little bit of a\u2014maybe during the Communist reign that this kind of became a thing, where we equated being an American with being a Christian. \u201cIs that Christianity defined by the blood of Jesus on a cross and His resurrection?\u201d\u2014no; it more is a sort of a twist of marrying patriotism and this kind of idea of family values with this religious aspect that we call Christian. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt really is problematic\u2014not problematic to love your country\u2014I think that\u2019s a wonderful thing. I think gratefulness is a Christian posture, so I think we should be grateful for the things that we have here in our country and for those who have fought to defend it for us. At the same time, for many I call \u201cGod and Country Christians,\u201d if they move to Poland tomorrow, it would drastically affect their faith; because their faith is so wrapped up in this sort of nationalism\/this sort of patriotism that is not a Christian faith. They forget that the Bible was written before Thomas Jefferson\u2019s great-great-great-grandparents were even born\/before America was even a concept\u2014[Laughter]\u2014not even sort of kind of a concept!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe just have to make sure we realize that this is a global faith. This is not some sort of\u2014we use things like, \u201cAmerica being a city shining on a hill,\u201d\u2014but that\u2019s\/no, the church is a city shining on a hill; it\u2019s not America!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Hey, I think it\u2019d be fun\u2014at the end of your book, you list eight different cultural Christians\u2014I think it\u2019d be helpful for people\u2014I\u2019ll read your title, and you define it. You already did one of them, but let\u2019s just start at the top. The first one you say is the \u201cCountry Club Christian.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>Yes, some people think\u2014\u201ccountry club\u201d\u2014they think, \u201cSnobby\u201d; that\u2019s not what I mean by that. I mean, the Country Club Christian is someone who is just a member of the organization; all they have to do is just pay their dues when it comes to the local church. They\u2019re never challenged; their needs are catered to. The second their needs aren\u2019t catered to, they\u2019ll go move to another country club that lacks church membership, where joining the church doesn\u2019t mean anything outside of just paying your dues. It has really impacted and allowed cultural Christianity to flourish, where being part of a church means nothing\/demands nothing\u2014nothing changes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And if I pay my dues, I can use the facilities from time to time, when I have a wedding, or a funeral, or something like that comes up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes, you\u2019re part of the club.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I just realized this could be hard to do because you want to stop on each one of these and talk about them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I know; yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Maybe let\u2019s do them, and then let\u2019s go back if there\u2019s something, Bob or Ann, you guys want to talk about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe second one, \u201cChristmas and Easter Christian.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>Here\u2019s what you have to understand about Christmas and Easter Christians\u2014is that, for them, there\u2019s nothing really spiritual about the holiday. It used to be that way; but now, going to church on Christmas and Easter is no different than wearing green on St. Patrick\u2019s Day, than eating turkey on Thanksgiving, than going trick-or-treating on Halloween, than giving mom a few flowers and a card on Mother\u2019s Day. It\u2019s just what you do as part of the celebration of that day; it has no religious significance whatsoever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Next one, \u201cGod and Country Christian.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s the one we were just talking about; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>Yes, someone who marries their faith to their patriotism. That\u2019s really troubling because that is so cultural; that would not work if you lived in another country. Your love for America should almost be a separate category, and it\u2019s definitely also subordinate to your love for God. The problem is no one thinks they have an issue with that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to a\u2014this is going to poke the bear a little bit here\u2014but go to an evangelical, very conservative church on a what I call the \u201chigh holy days of cultural Christianity,\u201d\u2014which are Memorial Day, Fourth of July, Veteran\u2019s Day, a lot of times the Sunday after September 11\u2014and you will see a greater celebration than you saw on Easter Sunday. Oftentimes, I see uniformed military personnel get a louder ovation than returning missionaries from the mission field. That\u2019s not to say we shouldn\u2019t appreciate and care\u2014again, gratefulness is a Christian posture\u2014it\u2019s really become problematic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlright, \u201cLiberal Social Justice Christian.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>Yes, that is somebody who really believes the faith is simply a humanitarian effort and, also, just this generic idea of love\u2014not the love of the Bible\u2014just this generic love that makes everything okay\/everything permissible. You think the answer is just to love, love, love, love. But what they mean by that is that: \u201cNothing is wrong.\u201d You\u2019re never going to hear them talk about any of the moral issues we have going on in our nation, or in the church, or anything like that: \u201cEverything\u2019s okay; everything\u2019s fine. Let\u2019s just love everybody.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I saw a pastor on Twitter<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> recently, who said, \u201cI heard someone recently say, \u2018The message of the gospel is that God cares for the disenfranchised and for the marginalized people in our society.\u2019\u201d The pastor said to his Twitter audience, \u201cWhat do you all think about that?\u201d How would you\u2014what do you think about that? Is that the message of the gospel?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>No! Those are implications of the gospel; [Laughter] that\u2019s where they get confused. They think that <em>is<\/em> the gospel. What happens, also, is they get what I think is really ungodly bitterness and angst, and attack towards people who might have some affluence, or they become very <em>envious<\/em>. They attack people\u2014like the one percent\u2014rather than going, \u201cWell, maybe God\u2019s blessed these people,\u201d and \u201cMaybe they\u2019re being generous with their money,\u201d and \u201cMaybe it\u2019s been earned honestly.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt really becomes\/it can become an ungodly effort, but it\u2019s all <em>done<\/em> in the name of Christianity. It just becomes very problematic, because it\u2019s just as political as the right-wing people they criticize. It\u2019s <em>just<\/em> as political.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Can I ask about the next one? Because I\u2019ve used this phrase\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Go for it!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014a dozen times, maybe more than that, in our church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014not in your sermon? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes,I <em>have<\/em> in my sermon.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019ve talked about\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014talked about what it means.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014the moralistic therapeutic deist approach\u2014and this is from Christian Smith, the sociologist at Notre Dame, who did this study. Explain what a person, who\u2019s a \u201cMoralistic Therapeutic Deistic Christian\u201d is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>I think this is probably the most prominent\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I think you\u2019re right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>\u2014and one that extends outside the South. It\u2019s easy to think cultural Christianity is a Bible Belt issue; but really, it\u2019s a nationwide issue when you understand this. It\u2019s\/again, it\u2019s a God, who is very vague: He\u2019s very generic; He\u2019s not really involved in the affairs of men and women; there\u2019s no sovereignty; there\u2019s really no sin; there\u2019s no punishment for sin\/no judgment. Again, this generic \u201cBig-guy-upstairs\u201d kind of God, who wants us to be good people and who wants us\/we can go to Him for superstitious reasons. It\u2019s, again, that \u201cJesus take the wheel\u201d idea; there\u2019s more to it than that. That\u2019s kind of the big snapshot picture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, we make sure, as Christians, we\u2019re clear in these conversations that <em>our God is not vague<\/em>; He\u2019s not generic. He has made Himself known. The Book of Hebrews, Chapter 1, starts out the letter by saying that: \u201cIn the past, He has spoken to us by the prophets through the law. Now He has spoken to us by His Son,\u201d so there\u2019s no understanding of God apart from an understanding of Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, the shorthand I\u2019ve used is: \u201cThere\u2019s a really nice God, who made everything. He wants you to have a really good life. If you\u2019ll just keep some rules that He\u2019s laid down, everything will be cool.\u201d A lot of people think that\u2019s the gospel. That\u2019s not the gospel; that\u2019s the moralistic therapeutic deistic gospel, and it\u2019s not a saving gospel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>We had that conversation with my dad for years, of him saying, \u201cI am a <em>good<\/em> man.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>And he was; he was a <em>good<\/em> guy. When we would explain the gospel of: \u201cThere is no one that\u2019s righteous. We\u2019ve all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God,\u201d he would say, \u201cBut I am so much better than that guy over there that says he\u2019s a Christian! He\u2019s not moral in the least.\u201d It was this back and forth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think so many people think that, \u201cI\u2019m a <em>good<\/em> person. Yes, I believe.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When you\u2019re having that conversation\u2014because I\u2019ve had this conversation, as well, and I\u2019ve failed at this in the past\u2014we have to keep in mind that, when we talk about the gospel and the need for Jesus, the other person is often hearing us say, \u201cI\u2019m better than you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So when they say, \u201cI\u2019m a good person,\u201d they\u2019re trying to say, \u201cYou\u2019re good; I\u2019m good too.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have to go into this, saying, \u201cLook, this is not\u2014I\u2019m <em>no better<\/em> than you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \"In a lot of ways, I\u2019m <em>worse<\/em> than you. I just recognize I need Jesus, and I think we all need Jesus.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause it\u2019s really easy for them to get defensive and go, \u201cAre you saying I\u2019m not a good person?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014and \u201cAnd are you judging me?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right, right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat\u2019s the next one, Dave?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Next one is the \u201cGenerational Catholic.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>That is <em>part<\/em> of my story. I was not raised a generational Catholic, but my whole entire dad\u2019s side of the family is generational Catholic. These are very difficult people to reach, because being <em>Catholic<\/em> is the goal\u2014not the gospel, not God, not the Bible, not Christianity\u2014just <em>being<\/em> Catholic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy grandfather\u2014Italian Catholic\u2014we went to the Notre Dame\/Miami football game in 1990 in South Bend, Indiana. It was the grandest trip. It was really neat\/really special. My grandfather and I had never had a spiritual conversation, <em>ever<\/em>. We go to South Bend. Right when we get there, we go into the cathedral\u2014it\u2019s so beautiful\u2014we go into the cathedral. He\u2019s wanting to say a prayer. I\u2019d never heard my papa talk about prayer in my life. He knelt down and said a prayer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re walking back out on the way to the stadium, and I said, \u201cWhat did you pray for?\u201d He said, \u201cWell, I prayed for the game today.\u201d We\u2019re driving back; and I asked him\u2014I said, \u201cPapa,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s what I called him\u2014\u201cwhy do we like Notre Dame?\u201d He said, \u201cBecause we\u2019re Catholic!\u201d I went, \u201cOh, okay!\u201d That was the end of the conversation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYears go by. I\u2019ve come to faith in this time; I\u2019m an adult by this time. We\u2019re sitting down, years later. He\u2019s almost 90 years old at this time. We\u2019re watching Notre Dame Football. To this day, when they come on, I remember him\u2014he died about ten years ago\u2014it brings memories, instantly, of my grandfather\u2014again, great man\u2014World War II veteran. He randomly, in the middle of the game, asked me a question. He goes, \u201cWhy aren\u2019t you Catholic? I\u2019m Catholic. Your dad\u2019s Catholic. Your uncles are Catholic.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said, \u201cPapa, my dad\u2019s not Catholic; go across the room and ask him. My uncles aren\u2019t Catholic. One is a professing atheist;\u201d\u2014like he has Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins books on his bookshelf; he\u2019s a proud atheist\u2014my other uncle\u2019s agnostic!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said, \u201cNo, they\u2019re not. They\u2019re Catholic.\u201d I said, \u201cOkay, I\u2019m not going to get in a fight with my 89-year-old grandfather.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean:<\/strong> \u201cBut Papa, they are <em>not<\/em> Catholic. You can go call them right now, and they will tell you.\u201d He insisted, and the conversation went <em>nowhere<\/em>; so I just ended it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut here\u2019s what I learned that day: for a generational, nominal Catholic, <em>being<\/em> Catholic is more important than <em>believing<\/em> Catholic.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Let me ask you\u2014with some folks, who are listening to us right now, who say, \u201cI am a born-again Catholic.\u201d\u2014you\u2019re a Baptist preacher\u2014is that an authentic category? Are there born-again Catholics?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>Yes, I believe so. But I believe a true born-again faith would eventually have to lead themselves away from the Catholic Church\u2014not to the Baptist church\u2014I\u2019m not saying that\u2019s the right way. I believe that, eventually, someone who refuses to leave the Catholic Church is either doing so\u2014one of two reasons\u2014one, the heritage of being a Catholic is more important to them than they realize it is\/maybe even towards idol; or they think they\u2019re being a remnant and staying in it as an evangelist\u2014I\u2019m just saying that\u2019s probably not the best method.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Interesting. We have a lot of people at our church that go to our service on Saturday night and mass on Sunday; because they really still feel, \u201cI <em>have<\/em> to continue to do both.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014and also to please family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>That\u2019s the main thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know, this kind of conversation brings to mind conversations I\u2019ve had with people in our church, who say, \u201cI\u2019m going home this weekend to be with my mom and dad. Dad\u2019s sick; we don\u2019t know how long he\u2019s got. We\u2019ve had conversations about faith before, and my parents insist that they\u2019re Christians. I have questions; I wonder if they are. Yet, the conversations we\u2019ve had have seemed to go nowhere.\u201d We pray for them and pray for what those conversations should look like. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re coaching somebody, who\u2019s headed into that situation, what\u2019s your coaching for them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>One, I want them to have some confidence that faith the size of a mustard seed is faith that\u2019s acceptable to God. What gets us to Jesus is not a huge faith\u2014but our huge Savior\u2014that\u2019s really important to remember. It could be where they really <em>do<\/em> believe that Jesus is the only way, and have repented of their sins, and believe the gospel\u2014that we need to trust God with that\u2014again, mustard-seed faith. They might be\/they might not have been discipled; but at least, a conviction of who Jesus is\u2014the criminal on the cross, \u201cPlease remember me in paradise\u201d\u2014right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>He appealed to Christ, not to himself; that\u2019s what happened there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut for the one that truly is concerned, going, \u201cI\u2019m telling you\u2014they think they know\u2014they don\u2019t know,\u201d I get that\u2014I came from that\u2014I have lived that life. This is urgent. Don\u2019t be afraid to sit there and plead\/like, \u201cDad, that\u2019s <em>not<\/em> what this is. You keep going back to the fact that you\u2019re a good person. You keep going back to the fact that you\u2019ve done good deeds. I need you to understand that those things are <em>rubbish<\/em> compared to knowing Christ. Those things do not get you into heaven.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m not trying to give an extreme answer there. But those kinds of situations, where it really is <em>literally<\/em> life or death, don\u2019t be afraid to go in there and say, \u201cLook, I don\u2019t want to talk about anything else. I\u2019m here because I love you. I\u2019m here because I need to make sure that you are <em>clear<\/em> on who Jesus is and what He\u2019s done for you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Do that humbly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Do it full of grace, and full of love and respect. Don\u2019t come in, thinking that you\u2019ve got to wield the Bible and preach at him;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014but it is urgent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It\u2019s truth and grace.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>Yes, it\u2019s truth and grace.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It\u2019s that balance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlright, the last two are <em>big<\/em> categories. Maybe hit them both real quick: \u201cMainline Protestant\u201d and \u201cBible Belt.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>Yes; Mainline Protestant I call the \u201cWatered-Down Word.\u201d Many mainline Protestants just don\u2019t have the Bible, so we need to reach those people. It\u2019s not sheep swapping; it\u2019s evangelism. They have a cross above the choir, but they don\u2019t preach it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014and Bible Belt?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>Bible Belt is somebody who loves Jesus\u2014let me tell you what\u2014but they\u2019re loving Jesus as more of a country music Jesus than it is the actual Jesus of the Bible. This is somebody, who wants enough of Jesus to be personally identified with, but not enough to be personally inconvenienced. I would say a lot of Bible Belt folks don\u2019t really have a saving faith. Jesus is just kind of part of life; it\u2019s like America, and their favorite college football team, and their job. It\u2019s just like another\u2014if you had a jersey that had patches on it for different things of life\/maybe like a Boy Scout uniform that has different patches\u2014being a Christian is just a patch on it. It doesn\u2019t really mean very much at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThose are people that we reach a lot of. What happens\u2014there is the light goes on when they\u2019re actually exposed to gospel preaching\u2014because they go, \u201cOh, that\u2019s not what I\u2019ve been doing my entire life.\u201d But it\u2019s someone who\u2014again, very vague God\/very vague Jesus\u2014but very pro those things. They all claim a church, even though they don\u2019t go to one. Usually, that means that\u2019s their grandmother\u2019s church. They go on Mother\u2019s Day, because it means a lot to her\u2014is what they\u2019re told by their mother\u2014a kind of a pressure type of thing of, \u201cIt would mean so much to your Nana if you came to church on Sunday. Will you please come? It\u2019s Mother\u2019s Day.\u201d \u201cOf course! Yes, of course, we\u2019ll do that.\u201d They\u2019ll show up, see some friends; never come back again until the next year.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Are you getting pushback on this book\/on this message? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>You know, not as much as I <em>thought<\/em> I would. I\u2019m getting a lot of, \u201cAs I read your book, I had all these people come to mind.\u201d I\u2019ve been told by others: the book has done\/is it\u2019s helped them create a category that didn\u2019t exist before.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That\u2019s what I was going to say. You know, reading it makes me think there\u2019s a whole mission field that you often don\u2019t think about that is <em>huge<\/em>. You sort of get excited\u2014like, \u201cMan, I can be an evangelist to love people that need to be loved.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I\u2019m imagining that some listeners are thinking, \u201cWow, am I an unsaved Christian?\u201d What would you say to those listeners, right now, that are maybe doubting and wondering?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>I would ask them, \u201cWhat do you base your idea of being a Christian upon? If you are claiming to be a Christian, what is the <em>basis<\/em> for that? If your basis for that are answers other than the work of Jesus Christ on your behalf, you might not be.\u201d I don\u2019t say that to make someone doubt, but just to be clear. What cultural Christianity is\u2014it could be defined in just a sentence or two\u2014it is a Christianity that is not dependent on Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019re not saying, \u201cMemorize the right answer and then you\u2019re okay.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019re saying that\u2019s got to be the basis for everything you think, believe, and live.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>Yes; am I appealing to myself, and my heritage, and my actions, and my background, and my resume\u2014we\u2019ll call it my religious resume\u2014or am I appealing to Christ?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I would say, \u201cYou might want to get a copy of the book,\u201d\u2014right?\u2014\u201cand read a little bit more.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We appreciate you writing the book, being here, talking with us about it. Thanks for your time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dean: <\/strong>Thank you for having me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Again, I want to encourage listeners\u2014go to FamilyLifeToday.com to get a copy of the book, <em>The Unsaved Christian: Reaching Cultural Christianity with the Gospel<\/em>, by Dean Inserra. You can order the book from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get a copy. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe mentioned this earlier, but a quick reminder\u2014today and tomorrow\u2014the last two days for FamilyLife to be able to take advantage of the matching-gift opportunity that has been made available to us: a $2.7 million-matching-gift fund. 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