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Here\u2019s Nancy Guthrie.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>Maybe this sounds like an ethereal answer; but I think it\u2019s God saying to you, \u201cYou know what? I want our relationship to be so intimate that you won\u2019t <em>always<\/em> be expecting other people to meet all of your relational needs.\u201d In fact, you\u2019ll stop demanding so much from other people; and when you feel those tinges of loneliness, instead of it causing you to pick up the phone to call someone, maybe you\u2019ll realize, \u201cOh, am I out of touch with You, God?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, December 8<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod tells us in the Bible that in our weakness He is made strong; but for that to be the case, we have to turn to Him. We\u2019re going to talk more about that today with Nancy Guthrie. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. How many times have you been speaking at a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaway, and had a husband or a wife come up to you and just say, \u201cI feel like there\u2019s nothing left,\u201d\u2014like the marriage is dead\/that it\u2019s empty\u2014\u201cand I don\u2019t know what to do\u201d? They\u2019ve lost <em>hope<\/em> for their relationship.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Too many to count; so many.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Every single conference I\u2019ve spoken at.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I would say, \u201cI felt that.\u201d I think\u2014when you\u2019re married, and you\u2019re sleeping in bed, and you\u2019re beside the person that you made your vow to\u2014I can remember thinking, \u201cI feel so empty and alone.\u201d I think a lot of women can do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, you know what I\u2019ll do?\u2014I think we can do this as women especially\u2014I can think, \u201cWhy?\u201d and I think, \u201cThe problem is <em>Dave<\/em>. [Laughter] The problem is that he\u2019s not doing\u2026\u201d; and then I come up with my list.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I\u2019m sound asleep, thinking life is wonderful. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know, it\u2019s interesting, because the loneliness that single people feel is real and profound. There is a loneliness that exists in marriage that\u2014I don\u2019t want to say it\u2019s more profound\u2014it\u2019s a different kind of profound.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014surprisingly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There is something\u2014when you\u2019re married, with the expectation of oneness and intimacy, and it\u2019s not there, that\u2019s a different kind of loneliness\/a profound sense of loneliness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Ann, we hear from listeners all the time, who tell us, \u201cThis is what I\u2019m dealing with\u2026\u201d and \u201cYou guys are a lifeline to help me think, biblically\/to help me realign my thinking and know that God is still with me, and that there is still hope in my life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Oh, you\u2019re so right, Bob. We love hearing from listeners, and we recently had a listener say this: \u201cFamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> has changed my life forever. I\u2019m always talking about the podcast I heard that day with everyone I come in contact with. I know my family gets tired of hearing me say what I hear on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u201d I mean, those are the things that just make us smile, because we know that we\u2019re making a difference in people\u2019s lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; and it\u2019s truly amazing, as we sit here in the studio, to think what we do here is a lifeline for people. I mean, sometimes you don\u2019t connect the dots that, when we give help\/practical help and hope, it points people back to God. I\u2019ll tell you\u2014the thing that everyone needs right now is hope. We\u2019ve lived in a year that\u2019s felt pretty hopeless, and there\u2019s isolation and pain. We get to step into family rooms, and kitchens, and radio, and bring the life of Christ to people. I\u2019m telling you\u2014I don\u2019t know if you understand this\u2014that does <em>not<\/em> happen without you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014you, the listener, saying, \u201cI\u2019m not just going to be a spectator and watch and listen; I\u2019m going to be a partner,\u201d which means what?\u2014\u201cI\u2019m going to step in, yearend, and I\u2019m going to give.\u201d There are a lot of people asking for you to give to their ministries. I don\u2019t think you understand how critical it is that you partner with us, because this does not continue without you. I\u2019m asking you to say, \u201cGod, what do You want me to do?\u201d When He says, \u201cGive,\u201d give. I\u2019m telling you\u2014you\u2019re going to change marriages and legacies by being a financial partner with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know any place today where you can invest and get an immediate \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t100 percent return on your investment, but you can here; because when you donate today, your donation is going to be matched, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $2 million. We have a matching-gift fund so that, every donation we receive, there\u2019s a matching amount that is released as soon as you give. If you give $100, $100 comes out of the fund. You give $1,000; $1,000 comes out of the fund. If you give $10\u2014whatever it is\u2014it\u2019s going to be matched, dollar for dollar. There\u2019s a little extra incentive for you to give today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d by sending you two gifts. The first is a copy of my book, <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em>, which is all about what real love looks like in a marriage relationship; and we\u2019d like to send you a flash drive that includes the top 100-plus <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> programs from the last 28 years\u2014programs with Dennis and Barbara Rainey, with Dave and Ann Wilson, with guests who have joined us\u2014programs about marriage and about parenting\/about family relationships\u2014the programs you\u2019ve told us have been the most helpful on a single flash drive. That\u2019s our gift to you when you make a donation today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can do that at FamilyLifeToday.com, or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. As you said, Dave, we need to hear from listeners today, so call us or go online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Thanks, in advance, for whatever you\u2019re able to give.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, as I said, we\u2019ve been talking about the theme of emptiness this week. This is something that we\u2019ve been prompted to talk about because of a new book written by our friend, Nancy Guthrie, who is joining us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Nancy, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>Thank you, I\u2019m so glad to be with you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Nancy is an author\/a speaker\u2014she is a friend of this ministry; she\u2019s somebody that we look to for wisdom, and guidance, and counsel on so many things\u2014and has written a book called <em>God Does His Best Work with Empty<\/em>. We\u2019ve been exploring this theme of the emptiness that all of us feel at different points in our lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019ve run into married couples\u2014especially as you\u2019ve worked with couples, who are going through grief\u2014that often leads couples to isolation from one another as they don\u2019t know how to grieve well together. There\u2019s the emptiness over the loss of a child, and then now you feel like you\u2019re losing your spouse at the same time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>I often tell couples, who come to our respite retreat for grieving couples, that: \u201cIf you were to put grief into a pot on the stove, and boil it down to its essence, what I think you\u2019d have left in the pot is a little pile of loneliness,\u201d and \u201cThat loneliness is inherent to grief.\u201d But I\u2019ll also say: \u201cI can\u2019t imagine that there\u2019s anyone listening today who doesn\u2019t experience loneliness. I mean, sometimes I feel lonely. I feel a little bit ridiculous for saying so; because I look at my life and I think, \u2018Oh, I have these great friends, I have a <em>fabulous<\/em> husband, and we enjoy a <em>fabulous<\/em> relationship.\u2019 And yet, there\u2019s something inherent to life in this world that loneliness is just a part of it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, what I suggest is that\/I ask the question: \u201cMaybe loneliness isn\u2019t a problem to be <em>solved<\/em>.\u201d I think we think of it that way; don\u2019t we?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>\u201cBut maybe loneliness is something God intends to use to woo us to Himself.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Oh boy, you better lay that out. What\u2019s that look like?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>Yes; my first instinct is to think, \u201cIf I feel lonely, that it\u2019s a problem with my [horizontal] relationships.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>I expect for this loneliness problem to get solved; you know: \u201cI have to create better community,\u201d \u201cI have to get things going with my husband a little bit better or differently,\u201d or \u201cI have to have a friend to get together with.\u201d First of all, I see it as a problem; and I see it as a purely human relationship issue.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut maybe loneliness is something that God allows us to feel to, in a sense, nudge us in His direction\/to woo us in His direction; because this is one of the ways that God works in our loneliness. He draws us into a more intimate relationship with Himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I think is beautiful in the Bible is that, from beginning to end, it is a story of God intending to enjoy intimacy amongst His people. I mean, that\u2019s what He had in Eden; He was there in the presence of His people. From the time they get sent out of the garden, God goes to work to restore this relationship with them. He states His intention in Exodus; He keeps repeating it throughout the whole of the Old Testament. He keeps saying: \u201cI\u2019m going to be your God,\u201d and \u201cYou\u2019re going to be My people,\u201d and \u201cI\u2019m going to dwell with you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can think of that kind of story as just being something theological; I don\u2019t think it is. I think it reveals something to us about the heart of God. This aspect of who God is gets to the heart of the way God intends to work in our loneliness; and that is His intention to be so vital\/so intimate that you won\u2019t always be expecting other people to meet all of your relational needs. In fact, you\u2019ll stop demanding so much from other people; and instead, when you feel those tinges of loneliness, instead of it causing you to pick up the phone to call someone, maybe you\u2019ll realize, \u201cOh, I am out of touch with You, God? Because maybe You are wooing me to Yourself through these feelings I have of loneliness.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When Mary Ann and I were dating\u2014we had dated for about three-and-a-half years\u2014she had gone to be the nurse at a summer camp that summer. I was living in Tulsa, working at a radio station. I got a letter from her; it was a \u201cDear Bob\u201d letter\u2014\u2014it was: \u201cBob, I\u2019ve met somebody here at camp. Things are over between us.\u201d I mean, it just knocked the slats out from underneath me. I never expected this\u2014didn\u2019t see it coming\/was really surprised\u2014it was her dumping me via letter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe came back from camp; we got together, I thought maybe I would charm, or woo, or cajole, or do something to get her change her mind; but she was resolute that, \u201cNo; the relationship was done, and she had met somebody new.\u201d That\u2019s probably\u2014if I were to trace: \u201cWhen was I the emptiest in my life?\u201d\u2014that was probably it. For a lot of weeks, I was knocking on my friends\u2019 doors and saying, \u201cWhat are we doing tonight?\u201d so that I don\u2019t have to deal with this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne night, I got off work. I had a moped back then; remember mopeds?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It was a Friday night; I\u2019m thinking, \u201cI\u2019m going to go see the So-and-sos,\u201d\u2014my friends over here\u2014\u201cjust drop in on them.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was like there was this voice in my ear that said, \u201cNo; go home.\u201d Now, home\u2014there was nothing charming about home\u2014home was a furnished apartment; $95 a month, bills paid. My mom cried when she saw it\u2014it was a dump\u2014okay? [Laughter] I get home on a Friday night at eight o\u2019 clock and fix a can of soup. I sit down and I go, \u201cOkay, I\u2019m home; now what?!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say, if there\u2019s been a night in my life, where there was a wrestle-with-God moment, this was that night of wrestling with God. The things that came out of the prayer that I was having that night was: \u201cI will remove anything that becomes an idol,\u201d\u2014so\u2014\u201cIf you\u2019re filling up your life, if you\u2019re finding your joy, if you think ultimate joy and satisfaction is found somewhere else, I\u2019ll take that out; because I am a jealous God and will have no other gods before Me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was just this: \u201cIs it going to be us; or are you going to keep looking for friends, or other people, or a girlfriend, or whatever else to be where you find life and where you find hope?\u201d I realized that my relationship with Mary Ann\u2014I had put her ahead of God; I had cared more about what was pleasing to her than what was pleasing to Him\u2014and God said, \u201cWe\u2019re not going to have that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, the rest of the story\u2014I mean, you kind of have to get to the story where, two months later, she calls me and says, \u201cCould we get together and talk?\u201d We got together and talked, and she realized the other relationship was not what she thought it was. She\u2019d missed me, and we got together. It\u2019s a happy story; we get married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt doesn\u2019t always work <em>that<\/em> way, but it was a learning lesson for me. In that emptiness, God said, \u201cIf you\u2019re going to go somewhere else to get it filled, I am a jealous God; I can remove those things. Take them out of your life. You will have no other gods before me.\u201d I think sometimes God introduces emptiness into our lives to say, \u201cDo you know where to go to get it filled back up?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>You know, in the Gospel of John, there\u2019s a story of just such a woman. It says that Jesus had to go through Samaria. Of course, when we read it,\u00a0 we know, \u201cNo; He didn\u2019t really have to go through Samaria.\u201d But He goes to this well, and this woman comes out to the well. She\u2019s coming that time of day because she can\u2019t face all of the other women in town, because she\u2019s probably slept with some of their husbands.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>She meets this man at the well and asks her to give Him some water. As they talk about the water, Jesus seemingly points to the water in the well. He says, basically, \u201cYou drink this water; you\u2019re just going to be thirsty again. But if anybody, who drinks of the water that I give,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014the living water.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cthey\u2019ll never be thirsty again.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThroughout the Old Testament\u2014this idea of water out of a well\u2014we get a sense that it\u2019s about desire and relationship. Now, I\u2019ve always thought, when He says to this woman that \u201cI know you\u2019ve had five husbands before,\u201d\u2014because He says, \u201cGo get your husband,\u201d and then He says, \u201cYou\u2019ve had five husbands; the man you\u2019re living with now is not your husband\u201d\u2014I\u2019ve always thought to myself, \u201cOh, these were bad men; and they were all using her\u201d; right? That could be; it\u2019s not necessarily the point of the story. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it could also be that\u2014all of these men\u2014she had been expecting them to be her living water. You know, it\u2019s a lot of pressure on a person to try to be someone else\u2019s living water.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>There\u2019s only one Person who can be our living water, and the good news of the gospel is that He offers Himself to us! He says, \u201cYou drink of this water and you\u2019ll never be thirsty again.\u201d He offers Himself to quench those deep desires that we have for satisfying, meaningful relationship. We begin experiencing that now; and then the day is going to come when we will experience it perfectly, eternally.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You walk us through, in your book, the ways in which God meets our emptiness\/fills our emptiness with His presence, with His grace\/His kindness, with His life, with meaning, with faith, ultimately with joy. As I was reading that, I thought, \u201cThis almost feels sequential, like first He meets us with presence, and then He meets us\u2026\u201d Were you thinking sequentially as you wrote this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>Not so much. The sequence is working my way through the Scriptures; so looking at the children of Israel in the wilderness, and then the story of Ruth and Naomi, and then stopping in the wisdom books, and then going to the prophets. In fact, I\u2019d love to tell you about the prophets.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, tell us!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Habakkuk; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>Do you remember the story of the prophet Habakkuk, just those three chapters? What we know about him\u2014he\u2019s living in a time when he is so <em>frustrated<\/em> about how the people of God are living, and then he hears God speak to him. God tells him what He\u2019s going to do. Well, he doesn\u2019t like what he hears at all! Because what God said was: \u201cYou know those really bad people over there, the Babylonians? I\u2019m going to bring them over to judge my people to purge them of all this sin.\u201d It\u2019s almost as if Habakkuk goes, \u201cWait a minute! That\u2019s not what I had in mind. In fact, God, that doesn\u2019t even sound like You. How could You use a more evil people to somehow work in the lives of your less-evil people\/us Israelites?\u201d<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen God begins to reveal to him what He\u2019s done in the past and what He\u2019s going to do in the future. It has one of my very favorite verses in the Bible, where He gives Habakkuk this vision of the future, where He says that the earth is going to be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord as the waters cover the <em>sea<\/em>; it begins to fill Habakkuk with hope. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe get to the last chapter of Habakkuk. It doesn\u2019t say it\u2019s a song, but it kind of says it\u2019s a song; because at the beginning of the chapter, it says, \u201cAccording to Shiggionath\u201d\u2014it\u2019s saying, \u201cHere\u2019s the tune you should sing this with.\u201d Now, do you know the tune of Shiggionath? I know you know a lot about music, Bob! [Laughter] Don\u2019t happen to know that tune?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Don\u2019t know Shiggionath; no. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>Yes; then, at the very end of the chapter, it talks about four-stringed instruments; so we know <em>all<\/em> of Habakkuk 3 is a song. What does he sing about?\u2014he says, \u201cLord, we\u2019ve heard these reports of what You\u2019ve done before; we know that You judge,\u201d\u2014and he says\u2014\u201cIn wrath, remember mercy.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then, near the end of that chapter are probably the most familiar verses from the Book of Habakkuk. He knows the most evil people in the world, the Babylonians, are about to sweep into his land\/his people. He\u2019s looking out at this potentially devastating future, and what does he say?\u2014he says, \u201cEven though the fig trees have no blossoms and there are no grapes on the vine, even though the olive crop fails and the fields lay empty and barren, even though the flocks die in the fields and the cattle barns are empty, yet I will rejoice in the Lord. I will be joyful in the God of my salvation.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is an agrarian society, so he is facing losing <em>everything<\/em>; and yet, as he reviews what God has done in the past and what God has promised to do in the future\u2014and that\u2019s the essence of faith\u2014faith isn\u2019t based on what we can see right now in our circumstances; it\u2019s based on what God has done in the past\/what He\u2019s promised to do in the future\u2014and he says, \u201cI\u2019m going to live by faith.\u201d That faith fills him with a joyful confidence as he faces the future.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI actually think that Habakkuk\u2019s prayer is what we need in these days of COVID-19, because many of us are facing a really uncertain future. Because of that, I think that we can take Habakkuk\u2019s prayer and give it our own spin. Maybe we would say: \u201cOkay, God, even if my income dries up and my savings are gone, even if I face a devastating diagnosis and I lose my dignity in the process, even if my integrity is questioned and my reputation is ruined; yet I will choose daily to be happy in Christ. I will smile at the future, because I am protected and provided for in Christ.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNone of these things is the source of my strength or security; God alone is my strength. Christ enables me to navigate dangerous and difficult circumstances. That\u2019s the prayer of Habakkuk turned into a prayer that we can pray, as the Lord gives us grace to do so, that as we face an uncertain future, He will fill us with faith to face it with joy in the midst of it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It sounds crazy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It does!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I\u2019m thinking of the person that doesn\u2019t know that; they really have no hope. It\u2019s like there\u2019s no football season: \u201cOh no; what am I going to do? Well, there\u2019s going to be basketball; it\u2019s like the money will come back.\u201d What if <em>none<\/em> of that works?\u2014and you keep going horizontal, horizontal, horizontal; and <em>nothing<\/em> ever changes enough to bring you joy? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere has to be a well of joy that\u2019s available, and it is; Jesus really is enough. But boy, if you don\u2019t know Him well enough for Him to be the well, it\u2019s an empty answer. I think we\u2019re saying\/your book\u2019s saying\u2014the gospel is saying\u2014\u201cTurn your eyes to the only source of hope\/the only source of joy. It\u2019s real!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, we\u2019re all sitting here\u2014we\u2019ve all experienced pain and empty\u2014and I think we can all say: \u201cEmpty is one of the best things I\u2019ve ever gone through in my life, even though it was <em>horrific<\/em>. It allowed me to sense the depth of Jesus\u2019 real joy. It\u2019s real, and you have to turn to Him today.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s what you point us to in the book and in the online study you\u2019ve done for this. I\u2019m grateful that we have a chance to talk about emptiness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I am, too; I can\u2019t wait to give this book out to my friends.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Nancy, thanks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>Thank you so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Thanks for being here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have copies of Nancy\u2019s book, <em>God Does His Best Work with Empty<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. Go online at FamilyLifeToday.com to get a copy, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u20141-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me remind you once again of what we talked about earlier. 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Dave and Ann Wilson discuss with author, Nancy Guthrie, how being empty can be the starting place for God to do His greatest work in us.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2020-12-08.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When you feel lonely\/empty, where do you go?\u2014who do you turn to? Here\u2019s Nancy Guthrie.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>Maybe this sounds like an ethereal answer; but I think it\u2019s God saying to you, \u201cYou know what? I want our relationship to be so intimate that you won\u2019t <em>always<\/em> be expecting other people to meet all of your relational needs.\u201d In fact, you\u2019ll stop demanding so much from other people; and when you feel those tinges of loneliness, instead of it causing you to pick up the phone to call someone, maybe you\u2019ll realize, \u201cOh, am I out of touch with You, God?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, December 8<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod tells us in the Bible that in our weakness He is made strong; but for that to be the case, we have to turn to Him. We\u2019re going to talk more about that today with Nancy Guthrie. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. How many times have you been speaking at a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaway, and had a husband or a wife come up to you and just say, \u201cI feel like there\u2019s nothing left,\u201d\u2014like the marriage is dead\/that it\u2019s empty\u2014\u201cand I don\u2019t know what to do\u201d? They\u2019ve lost <em>hope<\/em> for their relationship.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Too many to count; so many.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Every single conference I\u2019ve spoken at.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I would say, \u201cI felt that.\u201d I think\u2014when you\u2019re married, and you\u2019re sleeping in bed, and you\u2019re beside the person that you made your vow to\u2014I can remember thinking, \u201cI feel so empty and alone.\u201d I think a lot of women can do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, you know what I\u2019ll do?\u2014I think we can do this as women especially\u2014I can think, \u201cWhy?\u201d and I think, \u201cThe problem is <em>Dave<\/em>. [Laughter] The problem is that he\u2019s not doing\u2026\u201d; and then I come up with my list.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I\u2019m sound asleep, thinking life is wonderful. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know, it\u2019s interesting, because the loneliness that single people feel is real and profound. There is a loneliness that exists in marriage that\u2014I don\u2019t want to say it\u2019s more profound\u2014it\u2019s a different kind of profound.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014surprisingly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There is something\u2014when you\u2019re married, with the expectation of oneness and intimacy, and it\u2019s not there, that\u2019s a different kind of loneliness\/a profound sense of loneliness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Ann, we hear from listeners all the time, who tell us, \u201cThis is what I\u2019m dealing with\u2026\u201d and \u201cYou guys are a lifeline to help me think, biblically\/to help me realign my thinking and know that God is still with me, and that there is still hope in my life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Oh, you\u2019re so right, Bob. We love hearing from listeners, and we recently had a listener say this: \u201cFamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> has changed my life forever. I\u2019m always talking about the podcast I heard that day with everyone I come in contact with. I know my family gets tired of hearing me say what I hear on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u201d I mean, those are the things that just make us smile, because we know that we\u2019re making a difference in people\u2019s lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; and it\u2019s truly amazing, as we sit here in the studio, to think what we do here is a lifeline for people. I mean, sometimes you don\u2019t connect the dots that, when we give help\/practical help and hope, it points people back to God. I\u2019ll tell you\u2014the thing that everyone needs right now is hope. We\u2019ve lived in a year that\u2019s felt pretty hopeless, and there\u2019s isolation and pain. We get to step into family rooms, and kitchens, and radio, and bring the life of Christ to people. I\u2019m telling you\u2014I don\u2019t know if you understand this\u2014that does <em>not<\/em> happen without you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014you, the listener, saying, \u201cI\u2019m not just going to be a spectator and watch and listen; I\u2019m going to be a partner,\u201d which means what?\u2014\u201cI\u2019m going to step in, yearend, and I\u2019m going to give.\u201d There are a lot of people asking for you to give to their ministries. I don\u2019t think you understand how critical it is that you partner with us, because this does not continue without you. I\u2019m asking you to say, \u201cGod, what do You want me to do?\u201d When He says, \u201cGive,\u201d give. I\u2019m telling you\u2014you\u2019re going to change marriages and legacies by being a financial partner with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know any place today where you can invest and get an immediate \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t100 percent return on your investment, but you can here; because when you donate today, your donation is going to be matched, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $2 million. We have a matching-gift fund so that, every donation we receive, there\u2019s a matching amount that is released as soon as you give. If you give $100, $100 comes out of the fund. You give $1,000; $1,000 comes out of the fund. If you give $10\u2014whatever it is\u2014it\u2019s going to be matched, dollar for dollar. There\u2019s a little extra incentive for you to give today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d by sending you two gifts. The first is a copy of my book, <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em>, which is all about what real love looks like in a marriage relationship; and we\u2019d like to send you a flash drive that includes the top 100-plus <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> programs from the last 28 years\u2014programs with Dennis and Barbara Rainey, with Dave and Ann Wilson, with guests who have joined us\u2014programs about marriage and about parenting\/about family relationships\u2014the programs you\u2019ve told us have been the most helpful on a single flash drive. That\u2019s our gift to you when you make a donation today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can do that at FamilyLifeToday.com, or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. As you said, Dave, we need to hear from listeners today, so call us or go online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Thanks, in advance, for whatever you\u2019re able to give.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, as I said, we\u2019ve been talking about the theme of emptiness this week. This is something that we\u2019ve been prompted to talk about because of a new book written by our friend, Nancy Guthrie, who is joining us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Nancy, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>Thank you, I\u2019m so glad to be with you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Nancy is an author\/a speaker\u2014she is a friend of this ministry; she\u2019s somebody that we look to for wisdom, and guidance, and counsel on so many things\u2014and has written a book called <em>God Does His Best Work with Empty<\/em>. We\u2019ve been exploring this theme of the emptiness that all of us feel at different points in our lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019ve run into married couples\u2014especially as you\u2019ve worked with couples, who are going through grief\u2014that often leads couples to isolation from one another as they don\u2019t know how to grieve well together. There\u2019s the emptiness over the loss of a child, and then now you feel like you\u2019re losing your spouse at the same time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>I often tell couples, who come to our respite retreat for grieving couples, that: \u201cIf you were to put grief into a pot on the stove, and boil it down to its essence, what I think you\u2019d have left in the pot is a little pile of loneliness,\u201d and \u201cThat loneliness is inherent to grief.\u201d But I\u2019ll also say: \u201cI can\u2019t imagine that there\u2019s anyone listening today who doesn\u2019t experience loneliness. I mean, sometimes I feel lonely. I feel a little bit ridiculous for saying so; because I look at my life and I think, \u2018Oh, I have these great friends, I have a <em>fabulous<\/em> husband, and we enjoy a <em>fabulous<\/em> relationship.\u2019 And yet, there\u2019s something inherent to life in this world that loneliness is just a part of it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, what I suggest is that\/I ask the question: \u201cMaybe loneliness isn\u2019t a problem to be <em>solved<\/em>.\u201d I think we think of it that way; don\u2019t we?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>\u201cBut maybe loneliness is something God intends to use to woo us to Himself.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Oh boy, you better lay that out. 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This aspect of who God is gets to the heart of the way God intends to work in our loneliness; and that is His intention to be so vital\/so intimate that you won\u2019t always be expecting other people to meet all of your relational needs. In fact, you\u2019ll stop demanding so much from other people; and instead, when you feel those tinges of loneliness, instead of it causing you to pick up the phone to call someone, maybe you\u2019ll realize, \u201cOh, I am out of touch with You, God? Because maybe You are wooing me to Yourself through these feelings I have of loneliness.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When Mary Ann and I were dating\u2014we had dated for about three-and-a-half years\u2014she had gone to be the nurse at a summer camp that summer. I was living in Tulsa, working at a radio station. I got a letter from her; it was a \u201cDear Bob\u201d letter\u2014\u2014it was: \u201cBob, I\u2019ve met somebody here at camp. Things are over between us.\u201d I mean, it just knocked the slats out from underneath me. I never expected this\u2014didn\u2019t see it coming\/was really surprised\u2014it was her dumping me via letter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe came back from camp; we got together, I thought maybe I would charm, or woo, or cajole, or do something to get her change her mind; but she was resolute that, \u201cNo; the relationship was done, and she had met somebody new.\u201d That\u2019s probably\u2014if I were to trace: \u201cWhen was I the emptiest in my life?\u201d\u2014that was probably it. For a lot of weeks, I was knocking on my friends\u2019 doors and saying, \u201cWhat are we doing tonight?\u201d so that I don\u2019t have to deal with this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne night, I got off work. I had a moped back then; remember mopeds?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It was a Friday night; I\u2019m thinking, \u201cI\u2019m going to go see the So-and-sos,\u201d\u2014my friends over here\u2014\u201cjust drop in on them.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was like there was this voice in my ear that said, \u201cNo; go home.\u201d Now, home\u2014there was nothing charming about home\u2014home was a furnished apartment; $95 a month, bills paid. My mom cried when she saw it\u2014it was a dump\u2014okay? [Laughter] I get home on a Friday night at eight o\u2019 clock and fix a can of soup. I sit down and I go, \u201cOkay, I\u2019m home; now what?!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say, if there\u2019s been a night in my life, where there was a wrestle-with-God moment, this was that night of wrestling with God. The things that came out of the prayer that I was having that night was: \u201cI will remove anything that becomes an idol,\u201d\u2014so\u2014\u201cIf you\u2019re filling up your life, if you\u2019re finding your joy, if you think ultimate joy and satisfaction is found somewhere else, I\u2019ll take that out; because I am a jealous God and will have no other gods before Me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was just this: \u201cIs it going to be us; or are you going to keep looking for friends, or other people, or a girlfriend, or whatever else to be where you find life and where you find hope?\u201d I realized that my relationship with Mary Ann\u2014I had put her ahead of God; I had cared more about what was pleasing to her than what was pleasing to Him\u2014and God said, \u201cWe\u2019re not going to have that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, the rest of the story\u2014I mean, you kind of have to get to the story where, two months later, she calls me and says, \u201cCould we get together and talk?\u201d We got together and talked, and she realized the other relationship was not what she thought it was. She\u2019d missed me, and we got together. It\u2019s a happy story; we get married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt doesn\u2019t always work <em>that<\/em> way, but it was a learning lesson for me. In that emptiness, God said, \u201cIf you\u2019re going to go somewhere else to get it filled, I am a jealous God; I can remove those things. Take them out of your life. You will have no other gods before me.\u201d I think sometimes God introduces emptiness into our lives to say, \u201cDo you know where to go to get it filled back up?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>You know, in the Gospel of John, there\u2019s a story of just such a woman. It says that Jesus had to go through Samaria. Of course, when we read it,\u00a0 we know, \u201cNo; He didn\u2019t really have to go through Samaria.\u201d But He goes to this well, and this woman comes out to the well. She\u2019s coming that time of day because she can\u2019t face all of the other women in town, because she\u2019s probably slept with some of their husbands.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>She meets this man at the well and asks her to give Him some water. As they talk about the water, Jesus seemingly points to the water in the well. He says, basically, \u201cYou drink this water; you\u2019re just going to be thirsty again. But if anybody, who drinks of the water that I give,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014the living water.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cthey\u2019ll never be thirsty again.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThroughout the Old Testament\u2014this idea of water out of a well\u2014we get a sense that it\u2019s about desire and relationship. Now, I\u2019ve always thought, when He says to this woman that \u201cI know you\u2019ve had five husbands before,\u201d\u2014because He says, \u201cGo get your husband,\u201d and then He says, \u201cYou\u2019ve had five husbands; the man you\u2019re living with now is not your husband\u201d\u2014I\u2019ve always thought to myself, \u201cOh, these were bad men; and they were all using her\u201d; right? That could be; it\u2019s not necessarily the point of the story. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it could also be that\u2014all of these men\u2014she had been expecting them to be her living water. You know, it\u2019s a lot of pressure on a person to try to be someone else\u2019s living water.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>There\u2019s only one Person who can be our living water, and the good news of the gospel is that He offers Himself to us! He says, \u201cYou drink of this water and you\u2019ll never be thirsty again.\u201d He offers Himself to quench those deep desires that we have for satisfying, meaningful relationship. We begin experiencing that now; and then the day is going to come when we will experience it perfectly, eternally.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You walk us through, in your book, the ways in which God meets our emptiness\/fills our emptiness with His presence, with His grace\/His kindness, with His life, with meaning, with faith, ultimately with joy. As I was reading that, I thought, \u201cThis almost feels sequential, like first He meets us with presence, and then He meets us\u2026\u201d Were you thinking sequentially as you wrote this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>Not so much. The sequence is working my way through the Scriptures; so looking at the children of Israel in the wilderness, and then the story of Ruth and Naomi, and then stopping in the wisdom books, and then going to the prophets. In fact, I\u2019d love to tell you about the prophets.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, tell us!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Habakkuk; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>Do you remember the story of the prophet Habakkuk, just those three chapters? What we know about him\u2014he\u2019s living in a time when he is so <em>frustrated<\/em> about how the people of God are living, and then he hears God speak to him. God tells him what He\u2019s going to do. Well, he doesn\u2019t like what he hears at all! Because what God said was: \u201cYou know those really bad people over there, the Babylonians? I\u2019m going to bring them over to judge my people to purge them of all this sin.\u201d It\u2019s almost as if Habakkuk goes, \u201cWait a minute! That\u2019s not what I had in mind. In fact, God, that doesn\u2019t even sound like You. How could You use a more evil people to somehow work in the lives of your less-evil people\/us Israelites?\u201d<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen God begins to reveal to him what He\u2019s done in the past and what He\u2019s going to do in the future. It has one of my very favorite verses in the Bible, where He gives Habakkuk this vision of the future, where He says that the earth is going to be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord as the waters cover the <em>sea<\/em>; it begins to fill Habakkuk with hope. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe get to the last chapter of Habakkuk. It doesn\u2019t say it\u2019s a song, but it kind of says it\u2019s a song; because at the beginning of the chapter, it says, \u201cAccording to Shiggionath\u201d\u2014it\u2019s saying, \u201cHere\u2019s the tune you should sing this with.\u201d Now, do you know the tune of Shiggionath? I know you know a lot about music, Bob! [Laughter] Don\u2019t happen to know that tune?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Don\u2019t know Shiggionath; no. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>Yes; then, at the very end of the chapter, it talks about four-stringed instruments; so we know <em>all<\/em> of Habakkuk 3 is a song. What does he sing about?\u2014he says, \u201cLord, we\u2019ve heard these reports of what You\u2019ve done before; we know that You judge,\u201d\u2014and he says\u2014\u201cIn wrath, remember mercy.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then, near the end of that chapter are probably the most familiar verses from the Book of Habakkuk. He knows the most evil people in the world, the Babylonians, are about to sweep into his land\/his people. He\u2019s looking out at this potentially devastating future, and what does he say?\u2014he says, \u201cEven though the fig trees have no blossoms and there are no grapes on the vine, even though the olive crop fails and the fields lay empty and barren, even though the flocks die in the fields and the cattle barns are empty, yet I will rejoice in the Lord. I will be joyful in the God of my salvation.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is an agrarian society, so he is facing losing <em>everything<\/em>; and yet, as he reviews what God has done in the past and what God has promised to do in the future\u2014and that\u2019s the essence of faith\u2014faith isn\u2019t based on what we can see right now in our circumstances; it\u2019s based on what God has done in the past\/what He\u2019s promised to do in the future\u2014and he says, \u201cI\u2019m going to live by faith.\u201d That faith fills him with a joyful confidence as he faces the future.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI actually think that Habakkuk\u2019s prayer is what we need in these days of COVID-19, because many of us are facing a really uncertain future. Because of that, I think that we can take Habakkuk\u2019s prayer and give it our own spin. Maybe we would say: \u201cOkay, God, even if my income dries up and my savings are gone, even if I face a devastating diagnosis and I lose my dignity in the process, even if my integrity is questioned and my reputation is ruined; yet I will choose daily to be happy in Christ. I will smile at the future, because I am protected and provided for in Christ.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNone of these things is the source of my strength or security; God alone is my strength. Christ enables me to navigate dangerous and difficult circumstances. That\u2019s the prayer of Habakkuk turned into a prayer that we can pray, as the Lord gives us grace to do so, that as we face an uncertain future, He will fill us with faith to face it with joy in the midst of it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It sounds crazy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It does!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I\u2019m thinking of the person that doesn\u2019t know that; they really have no hope. It\u2019s like there\u2019s no football season: \u201cOh no; what am I going to do? Well, there\u2019s going to be basketball; it\u2019s like the money will come back.\u201d What if <em>none<\/em> of that works?\u2014and you keep going horizontal, horizontal, horizontal; and <em>nothing<\/em> ever changes enough to bring you joy? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere has to be a well of joy that\u2019s available, and it is; Jesus really is enough. But boy, if you don\u2019t know Him well enough for Him to be the well, it\u2019s an empty answer. I think we\u2019re saying\/your book\u2019s saying\u2014the gospel is saying\u2014\u201cTurn your eyes to the only source of hope\/the only source of joy. It\u2019s real!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, we\u2019re all sitting here\u2014we\u2019ve all experienced pain and empty\u2014and I think we can all say: \u201cEmpty is one of the best things I\u2019ve ever gone through in my life, even though it was <em>horrific<\/em>. It allowed me to sense the depth of Jesus\u2019 real joy. It\u2019s real, and you have to turn to Him today.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s what you point us to in the book and in the online study you\u2019ve done for this. I\u2019m grateful that we have a chance to talk about emptiness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I am, too; I can\u2019t wait to give this book out to my friends.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Nancy, thanks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>Thank you so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Thanks for being here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have copies of Nancy\u2019s book, <em>God Does His Best Work with Empty<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. Go online at FamilyLifeToday.com to get a copy, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u20141-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me remind you once again of what we talked about earlier. 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