{"id":306600,"date":"2020-12-07T07:00:05","date_gmt":"2020-12-07T12:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/fill-me-lord\/"},"modified":"2020-12-07T07:00:05","modified_gmt":"2020-12-07T12:00:05","slug":"fill-me-lord","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/fill-me-lord\/","title":{"rendered":"Fill Me Lord!"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Do you ever feel depleted, hopeless, or empty? 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I\u2019m telling you\u2014you need manna, and the manna you need is to hear God\u2019s Word\u2014to take it, and to chew on it, and to digest it, and let it work into your life\u2014it will begin to change your <em>feelings<\/em>, which is what we need so desperately. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, December 7<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Could you use a spiritual realignment? I think a lot of us could about now. We\u2019ll get one today from Nancy Guthrie. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. There have been times in our marriage\/times in raising our kids, where I have felt on top of things\u2014like I\u2019ve felt, \u201cOkay; we\u2019re in a groove. Things are going good. I got this; it\u2019s working.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And how long did that last? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s a great question; because there have been plenty of times, where I just am like, \u201cI got nothing here. I am empty; I don\u2019t know what I\u2019m doing. This is not working.\u201d And you wonder, \u201cHow do I rally in the midst of all this?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think that word, \u201cempty,\u201d is something many of us feel\/I think <em>most<\/em> of us feel IT at some time\u2014probably all of us. It\u2019s a <em>hard<\/em> place to be, because it feels like an emptiness of your soul; you\u2019re not sure how to get out of that. I\u2019m not sure my husband has felt that often, though.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What are you talking about?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I feel like you\u2019re always full!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I think I pretend. You don\u2019t want to go to empty. If your car is near empty, pull in a gas station; let\u2019s fill up. You want to live, at least, three quarters full, if not \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tcompletely full. When you\u2019re in a state in your life\u2014as a husband\/as a dad\u2014and you\u2019re feeling real empty, I think you cover it up; because that\u2019s not a place you want anybody to know you are really deep down in your soul.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I hate to even go here right now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Why are you smiling right now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Because you brought up the car, and this is something Mary Ann and I are dealing with; okay? I need your help on this. [Laughter] I think the best time to fill up the car\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, no.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014is when the light comes on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is my husband. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Because this means you have to fill it up less frequently. You wait until it\u2019s down; you\u2019re more <em>efficient<\/em> in the use of your time. You wait until you\u2019re down to the last gallon or two. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Here\u2019s the question: \u201cHave you run out?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wait, wait, wait. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014ever?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If I\u2019ve run out, it was when I was a teenager. In our married life, we\u2019ve never been on the side of the road, looking, because I ran out of gas. There have been some times when the red light\u2019s been on, and it\u2019s been a long time, and I\u2019ve been praying a lot. [Laughter] There have been times, when I\u2019m driving along, and I\u2019ll act like it\u2019s out of gas; because Mary Ann is worried about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, Bob! That\u2019s <em>terrible<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019ve done that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMary Ann thinks\u2014we\u2019ll be in her car, and she\u2019ll go, \u201cOh, I need to fill up my car,\u201d\u2014and I\u2019ll look; and I\u2019ll go, \u201cIt\u2019s just under half.\u201d She goes, \u201cYes! It\u2019s time to fill it up!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I wish I could say I\u2019ve never run out of gas since I\u2019ve been married, but we have. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We were on a freeway in California\/six-lane freeway. We had gone to a wedding\u2014high heel shoes\u2014midnight; we run out of gas. This has happened <em>many<\/em> times. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> No, it has not! It\u2019s happened <em>once<\/em>; that\u2019s the only time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m sorry we got us off on this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Why are we talking about this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re talking about this because we\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014empty.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014we brought up empty, and you brought filling up the tank. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNancy Guthrie is joining us, again, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Thank you. So glad to be here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I think she\u2019s run out of gas before. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> I think we need to take a break for some marriage counseling, Bob. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Maybe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s why you\u2019re here, Nancy! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You have written a book called <em>God Does His Best Work with Empty.<\/em> The emptiness you\u2019re talking about is not our gas tanks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> It is not! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s the emptiness we experience in our soul from time to time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Absolutely, as Ann was talking about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was interesting to me, as I was writing this book, and I would tell people the title\u2014most often, the most common response I got from people was, \u201cMmmm,\u201d\u2014that sense of identification\u2014like, \u201cMaybe, I haven\u2019t used that word; and yet, that seems to capture how I feel in the deepest part of my soul.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> What prompted you to write this, Nancy?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> The way this began was\u2014my husband and I hold weekend retreats for couples who have lost children. We began those about 11 years ago in 2009. At one point in that weekend, sitting in that circle\u2014it will be me with about 10 or 11 other couples\u2014I look around in that circle; and I say to them, \u201cI <em>know<\/em> that right now your world is full of <em>emptiness<\/em>: there is an empty bedroom at your house; there is an empty place in your schedule, an empty place in the family photo, an empty place at the dinner table. You\u2019re so <em>aware<\/em> of the emptiness. You look at this empty place in your life, and you see it as your greatest problem. What I want you to know is that that\u2019s not how God sees it! When God looks at your life, and He sees the empty place, He sees it as His greatest opportunity; because God does His best work with empty.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, that\u2019s <em>always<\/em> what He has done. If you think about the Bible, \u201cIn the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and it was formless and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u201c\u2014void.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201c\u2014empty.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Was that a problem for God?\u2014not at all! We read the rest of Genesis 1; what happens?\u2014He fills in with light and life, and beauty and abundance, and relationship, and purpose and meaning. From the very beginning of the Bible, we see that God does His best work with empty as He fills it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs you continue the story of the Bible, you get to this very important point, that God has called this one man, Abraham\/Abram at that point to Himself. Just before we meet Abram, we read about him. There is a problem: his wife, Sarai\u2014it says she is barren; she had no children\u2014her womb is <em>empty<\/em>. We hardly know how to make sense of this when we think about the promises that God has made to Abram\u2014that they\u2019re going to have as many descendants as there are stars in the sky. But, once again, God does His work. At 90 years old, her womb is filled with a child they name Isaac, which means laughter. What does God do?\u2014He works in the emptiness this good work and fills their lives with so much joy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn a <em>sense<\/em>, this promised child in her womb is really just a shadow of another womb; it\u2019s empty\u2014not because she is old\u2014but empty because she\u2019s never been with a man. An angel comes to her. Just as the Spirit hovered at creation, the angel says to this young woman Mary that the Holy Spirit is going to overshadow her. And what\u2019s going to happen?\u2014her womb is going to be filled with the very life of God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOver and over again, in the Bible, we see that God works in empty. Here we are\u2014thinking that it\u2019s up to us to gather up some stuff to bring to Him that He can work with\u2014but He is a Creator God. He creates something\/<em>everything<\/em> out of nothing; He works with <em>empty<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember the very first time I said that at one of our respite retreats. Afterwards, my husband\/he was like, \u201cI don\u2019t know where that came from, but that\u2019s a book!\u201d For 11 years it wasn\u2019t, and now it is. What I\u2019ve done in the book, I\u2019ve just traced the story through the Bible. I\u2019ve given you kind of a couple steps into it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut don\u2019t we see again and again\u2014the story of Naomi and Ruth\u2014she uses this word, if you remember. Do you remember that?\u2014Naomi comes back. When she left, their stomachs were empty; but her family was full. She returned; she\u2019s lost her husband and two sons. She can\u2019t even see the gift that she\u2019s been given in this daughter-in-law, Ruth, who\u2019s come home with her. She says to her friends, \u201cDon\u2019t call me Naomi. Call me Mara; my life is so bitter.\u201d She says, \u201cI went away full, and I\u2019ve come back empty.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen we start getting these hints of how God intends to do His work in her emptiness. Then, once again, when she [Ruth] goes to the threshing floor, she comes home with a scarf full of grain. The story ends\u2014and there is Naomi, who was so sure that her life was only empty\/only call her \u201cbitter\u201d\u2014and her arms are full. Her arms are full with a descendant, and one who\u2019s going to be\u2014it says that he\u2019s Obed; and Obed is going to be the father of Jesse; and Jesse is going to be the father of David, the king, who\u2019s going to fill the need of this nation for a leader\/the kind of leader that God wants for His people. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI could go on and on. There\u2019s just so many <em>pictures<\/em> throughout the Bible that we realize: \u201cGod keeps on doing His work in the empty place.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When you and David were grieving the loss of your daughter, and then the loss of your son\u2014your kids lived for less than a year, both of them\u2014I can\u2019t imagine the emptiness that must have been there for you and the wondering if there would ever be joy or life again in your soul.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Before that loss, I had been filling my life with God\u2019s Word. If we don\u2019t have that\/if we don\u2019t have that to hold onto\u2014when everything is so hard, and so dark, and so empty\u2014you can feel hopeless. I feel grateful that I came into that with a foundational understanding of who God is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me, that meant the key things about who He is in that situation: was that He\u2019s sovereign; this didn\u2019t happen to me, somehow, outside of His control. Then secondly, that He loves me. Just like those Israelites needed manna every day in the wilderness of the world, so we need manna every day to feed on as we make our way in the wilderness of the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf there\u2019s anyone, who\u2019s listening to me, who\u2019s experiencing the emptiness of grief or something like that, I would say to you, \u201cYou know what? Don\u2019t think that you can somehow move through this on your own,\u201d\u2014that somehow you\u2019re angry with God, and you\u2019ve set your Bible aside\u2014or maybe, you\u2019ve tried opening it; and you think, \u201cOkay; that\u2019s not speaking to me today; and besides, I can\u2019t even understand it.\u201d I\u2019m telling you\u2014you need manna, and the manna you need is to hear God\u2019s Word\u2014to take it, and to chew on it, and to digest it, and let it work into your life and nourish your soul and shape your thoughts. As it shapes your thoughts about who God is, and what He\u2019s doing in this world, it will begin to change your <em>feelings<\/em>, which is what we need so desperately. We find, as we feed on His Word\/with that manna every day, and as He\u2019s shaping our thinking and changing how we\u2019re feeling, that the heaviness of grief begins to lighten.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019ve been preaching through John 6, where Jesus says, \u201cI am the Bread of Life.\u201d That\u2019s an allusion back to the manna in the wilderness. In John 6:35, when Jesus says, \u201cI am the Bread of Life. He who comes to Me will never hunger. He who believes in Me will never thirst.\u201d Mary Ann said, \u201cWhat does that mean?\u2014never hunger; never thirst. Does that mean, when we come to Jesus, we\u2019re never empty? Does that mean, when we come to Jesus, there is never any lack or want on our part?\u201d What do we do with that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> That\u2019s a <em>beautiful<\/em> passage that we would tie to this story in the wilderness; right? Those people on the hillside did that day\u2014they remembered, \u201cOh; this is kind of like what happened with Moses in the wilderness,\u201d\u2014Jesus says to them, in a sense, there in John 6, \u201cYes, you\u2019re right; you\u2019re thinking along the right lines.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut here was the problem with those people that day, and it\u2019s the problem with you and me sometimes today; and that is, they wanted bread <em>from<\/em> Jesus and not Jesus <em>as<\/em> bread. There, on the hillside that day, when He said to them, \u201c<em>I<\/em> am the Bread of life. I am the Bread the Father has sent from heaven.\u201d Then, when He begins to talk about what it\u2019s going to mean for them, in a sense, to eat this bread\u2014remember what it\u2019s like? They\u2019re all so excited; \u201cWe\u2019re going to get free meals!\u201d He says, \u201cNo; you\u2019re going to eat My flesh and drink My blood.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll of a sudden, most of them are out. It\u2019s a very sad scene; isn\u2019t it? It says about them that \u201cMany of them walked away\u201d; it was too much for them. That\u2019s at the point, where\u2014I just <em>love<\/em> this\u2014Jesus said, \u201cAre you going to leave too?\u201d Peter says, \u201cBut where would we go? Only <em>You<\/em> have the words of eternal life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think you\u2019re getting at something important here, Bob; because it gets to the essence of what it means to never hunger and never thirst. We <em>must<\/em>, in a sense, eat this Bread of Life, which means feed on Jesus\u2019s atoning death and resurrected life. That\u2019s what it means\u2014that we begin to feed on it now; we begin to sense that God is at work in our emptiness\u2014not yet perfectly, not yet completely, but genuinely\u2014and know that the day is coming when we\u2019ll never feel hungry or thirsty again. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It makes me think, as I listen to you: \u201cCan a person really experience the fullness and intimacy of Christ without ever being completely empty?\u201d It\u2019s like you can\u2019t really; can you? Can I be healed if I\u2019ve never felt or admitted the real sense of brokenness in my life?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s so important, Dave\u2014when we reckon with this emptiness, and when we refuse to turn to the world to fill it\u2014because isn\u2019t that so much of what we do? We fill it with the internet; and we fill it with alcohol; and we fill it with food; and we fill it with busyness; and we fill it with accomplishment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014or a person. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014or another person; exactly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014a marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> But instead, when we come to the place, where we go, \u201cWow; I feel empty. Where am I going to turn for the filling that I know that I need?\u201d As we allow that emptiness to turn us upward\u2014to focus us into God\u2019s Word and to focus us up on Jesus Christ\u2014and say, \u201cYou know what? There\u2019s so many other things I can turn to, but I want <em>You<\/em> to fill my emptiness. Your kindness, Your love, Your grace\u2014I need <em>You<\/em> to fill my life with meaning, not something I can make happen on my own.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think my greatest sense of emptiness\u2014that same feeling\u2014was when I lost my best friend and sister. She was only 45; she had four sons that ranged from 11 to 20. By the time she was diagnosed, she passed away within five months of lung cancer. I was <em>devastated<\/em>; I had never experienced an emptiness like that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember, I was angry with God. All the prayers that I was praying\u2014that she would be healed on this earth\u2014hadn\u2019t happened. I felt like He had abandoned me in so many ways, and her kids, and her husband. In my emptiness, I had cried out; but I was so angry that I started filling my life with other things\u2014exactly what you were saying. I was eating more. I didn\u2019t even want to listen to Christian music at first. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd yet, the emptiness then became so <em>excruciating<\/em> that I knew: \u201cI need to turn to my Father.\u201d It is so interesting\u2014when we come to the Father\/we say, \u201cI have <em>nothing<\/em>; I have nothing,\u201d\u2014I was honest in saying to God\u2014\u201cI feel like You haven\u2019t answered me. I feel like You haven\u2019t talked to me. I feel like You\u2019ve been distant. But I need You so <em>desperately <\/em>that I can go nowhere else to be filled.\u201d The things I was doing\u2014they were not filling me in the <em>least<\/em>. In fact, it made me feel worse: I felt fat; I felt shame. I felt like, \u201cOhhh; this is terrible.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNancy, you\u2019re saying, when we go to God and say, \u201cI have nothing\u201d; He\u2019s saying, \u201cI can do My <em>best<\/em> work in that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Absolutely; He says, \u201cThis is not the end; this is the <em>beginning<\/em>. Now, as you open yourself up to Me, I will fill you up with the very best things! As you refuse to allow yourself\/for your life to be filled with all of the less-than-the-best things, I will fill you up. I will come in; I will work; I will show you My grace; I will show you My kindness; I will fill your life with meaning, and purpose, and faith, and joy.\u201d The reason we know He can do that is because we can see that He\u2019s done it again, and again, and again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You get to Philippians 2. You find out the reason God can do that in us is because Paul tells us Jesus emptied Himself; right?\u2014He takes that same word and says, \u201cI\u2019m going to let it all go so that you can be full.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> He poured Himself out on the cross; didn\u2019t He? Even now, He intends to pour Himself <em>into<\/em> us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Walking through the valley with Ann, when her sister died\u2014it really was the woman who led her to Christ\/her best friend\u2014I watched her be empty. We\u2019d go to church and weep when we sang worship\u2014couldn\u2019t even sing\u2014just wept. I remember getting to a point, maybe nine months\/a year in, after she died, thinking, \u201cI don\u2019t know if my wife will ever come back to her full self.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen I watched what she just told you; I watched her dig in the Word. She knew God; she just needed to see Him again and know that He was good and with her. I remember, one day, I was in the kitchen; she was out in the garage. I heard her laugh; I can feel it right now. I remember going, \u201cI haven\u2019t heard her laugh in two years.\u201d It was a belly laugh; I\u2019m like, \u201cShe\u2019s going to make it. God\u2019s going to get her through this\u201d; and she has. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would just say, \u201cIf you\u2019re in that valley, God is going to bring laughter.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think this would be a great time, if you\u2019re feeling that emptiness\u2014if you take a sponge, and it hasn\u2019t been used or had water put on it in a long time\u2014you can scrape it with your thumbnail or fingernail and hear it go [scraping sound]. I thought, \u201cThat\u2019s what my heart felt like.\u201d But then I take God\u2019s Word\u2014and if you like put a drop of water on it once a week\u2014it doesn\u2019t do anything for a little drop\u2014sometimes that\u2019s what we do at church: \u201cOh, I got a little Word at church.\u201d But when you start to put a drop, and a drop, and a drop, suddenly that sponge fills back up; and it becomes soft. I realized, \u201cMy heart is coming alive again. God\u2019s Word is filling me. I still don\u2019t have all the answers.\u201d Yet, I felt a fullness that I had never really experienced before. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat if we committed\u2014like, \u201cGod, I\u2019m going to be in Your Word every day so that my heart is soft, so that Your Word comes alive\u201d? And His Word will never return void; it will <em>always<\/em> take root in our hearts, and it will fill us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think there are a lot of us, at the end of 2020, who are feeling the emptiness\/the loneliness for a lot of reasons. This is a book that will bring, not just comfort, but help for a lot of people. The book is called <em>God Does His Best Work with Empty<\/em> by Nancy Guthrie. You can order the book from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get your copy. Again, the title is <em>God Does His Best Work with Empty<\/em> by Nancy Guthrie. Order online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call to order at 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe love hearing from listeners. We\u2019re always encouraged when we hear how God uses the ministry of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> in your life or in your marriage; that\u2019s such a great encouragement to us. David Robbins, the president of FamilyLife is here with us today. You\u2019ve heard a lot of these stories.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> One of my favorite stories in FamilyLife\u2019s history of broadcasting\u2014it was a letter from a woman, who lived in Alaska. Where she lived, she couldn\u2019t get a radio signal; so she, every day, would get on her snowmobile and drive out to a ridge so she could listen to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014a wife and mother who needed practical help and hope for her home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you give to <em>FamilyLife Today,<\/em> you\u2019re making this broadcast possible for <em>thousands<\/em> of listeners all across the country. I get the privilege of receiving messages from people <em>you<\/em> are impacting. You\u2019re giving help and hope to the husband, who emailed me just last month, who found out his wife had been having an affair for the last two years; to the parents who are praying for the safe return of their prodigal daughter. You are giving the help people are <em>desperately<\/em> looking for in the trenches of everyday life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs a donor-supported ministry, you know we are dependent on generous supporters like you. Would you be able to give today to be that hope to someone who feels hopeless? With your support this month, your gift is going to get matched, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $2 million. You make a $25 donation; it becomes a $50 donation to FamilyLife. If you make a $100 donation, it becomes $200. Thank you for standing with us for the gospel and for families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In addition to your donation being matched, dollar for dollar, we want to send you a couple of thank-you gifts when you make a yearend donation. You\u2019ll receive a copy of my book, <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em>, which came out this year. It\u2019s all about what biblical love looks like in a marriage relationship. We\u2019re going to send you a flash drive\/a thumb drive that has more than 100 of the very best <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> programs from the last 28 years\u2014programs on marriage, family, parenting; programs featuring Dennis and Barbara Rainey, Dave and Ann Wilson, some of the guests we\u2019ve had through the years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis flash drive, along with the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> book, are our way of saying, \u201cThank you for being part of the team that helps us finish the year in a good place.\u201d Thanks, in advance, for whatever you\u2019re able to do. You can donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTomorrow, we\u2019re going to continue our conversation with Nancy Guthrie about where we turn when we are empty\/when we\u2019re lonely. We\u2019re going to talk about how important it is to turn to God first rather than trying to find life somewhere else. 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Dave and Ann Wilson talk with Nancy Guthrie about her book, \"God Does His Best Work With Empty,\" discussing how God has the power to make us whole.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2020-12-07.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I think we\u2019d all agree: \u201cIt\u2019s been quite a year.\u201d A lot of us may be feeling spiritually stagnant about now; Nancy Guthrie has a prescription for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>Maybe you\u2019re angry with God, and you\u2019ve just set your Bible aside; or maybe you\u2019ve tried opening it, and you think, \u201cOkay; that\u2019s not speaking to me today; and besides, I can\u2019t even understand it.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Don\u2019t<\/em> think that you can somehow move through this on your own. I\u2019m telling you\u2014you need manna, and the manna you need is to hear God\u2019s Word\u2014to take it, and to chew on it, and to digest it, and let it work into your life\u2014it will begin to change your <em>feelings<\/em>, which is what we need so desperately. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, December 7<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Could you use a spiritual realignment? I think a lot of us could about now. We\u2019ll get one today from Nancy Guthrie. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. There have been times in our marriage\/times in raising our kids, where I have felt on top of things\u2014like I\u2019ve felt, \u201cOkay; we\u2019re in a groove. Things are going good. I got this; it\u2019s working.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And how long did that last? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s a great question; because there have been plenty of times, where I just am like, \u201cI got nothing here. I am empty; I don\u2019t know what I\u2019m doing. This is not working.\u201d And you wonder, \u201cHow do I rally in the midst of all this?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think that word, \u201cempty,\u201d is something many of us feel\/I think <em>most<\/em> of us feel IT at some time\u2014probably all of us. It\u2019s a <em>hard<\/em> place to be, because it feels like an emptiness of your soul; you\u2019re not sure how to get out of that. I\u2019m not sure my husband has felt that often, though.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What are you talking about?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I feel like you\u2019re always full!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I think I pretend. You don\u2019t want to go to empty. If your car is near empty, pull in a gas station; let\u2019s fill up. You want to live, at least, three quarters full, if not \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tcompletely full. When you\u2019re in a state in your life\u2014as a husband\/as a dad\u2014and you\u2019re feeling real empty, I think you cover it up; because that\u2019s not a place you want anybody to know you are really deep down in your soul.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I hate to even go here right now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Why are you smiling right now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Because you brought up the car, and this is something Mary Ann and I are dealing with; okay? I need your help on this. [Laughter] I think the best time to fill up the car\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, no.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014is when the light comes on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is my husband. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Because this means you have to fill it up less frequently. You wait until it\u2019s down; you\u2019re more <em>efficient<\/em> in the use of your time. You wait until you\u2019re down to the last gallon or two. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Here\u2019s the question: \u201cHave you run out?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wait, wait, wait. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014ever?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If I\u2019ve run out, it was when I was a teenager. In our married life, we\u2019ve never been on the side of the road, looking, because I ran out of gas. There have been some times when the red light\u2019s been on, and it\u2019s been a long time, and I\u2019ve been praying a lot. [Laughter] There have been times, when I\u2019m driving along, and I\u2019ll act like it\u2019s out of gas; because Mary Ann is worried about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, Bob! That\u2019s <em>terrible<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019ve done that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMary Ann thinks\u2014we\u2019ll be in her car, and she\u2019ll go, \u201cOh, I need to fill up my car,\u201d\u2014and I\u2019ll look; and I\u2019ll go, \u201cIt\u2019s just under half.\u201d She goes, \u201cYes! It\u2019s time to fill it up!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I wish I could say I\u2019ve never run out of gas since I\u2019ve been married, but we have. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We were on a freeway in California\/six-lane freeway. We had gone to a wedding\u2014high heel shoes\u2014midnight; we run out of gas. This has happened <em>many<\/em> times. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> No, it has not! It\u2019s happened <em>once<\/em>; that\u2019s the only time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m sorry we got us off on this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Why are we talking about this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re talking about this because we\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014empty.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014we brought up empty, and you brought filling up the tank. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNancy Guthrie is joining us, again, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Thank you. So glad to be here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I think she\u2019s run out of gas before. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> I think we need to take a break for some marriage counseling, Bob. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Maybe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s why you\u2019re here, Nancy! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You have written a book called <em>God Does His Best Work with Empty.<\/em> The emptiness you\u2019re talking about is not our gas tanks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> It is not! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s the emptiness we experience in our soul from time to time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Absolutely, as Ann was talking about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was interesting to me, as I was writing this book, and I would tell people the title\u2014most often, the most common response I got from people was, \u201cMmmm,\u201d\u2014that sense of identification\u2014like, \u201cMaybe, I haven\u2019t used that word; and yet, that seems to capture how I feel in the deepest part of my soul.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> What prompted you to write this, Nancy?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> The way this began was\u2014my husband and I hold weekend retreats for couples who have lost children. We began those about 11 years ago in 2009. At one point in that weekend, sitting in that circle\u2014it will be me with about 10 or 11 other couples\u2014I look around in that circle; and I say to them, \u201cI <em>know<\/em> that right now your world is full of <em>emptiness<\/em>: there is an empty bedroom at your house; there is an empty place in your schedule, an empty place in the family photo, an empty place at the dinner table. You\u2019re so <em>aware<\/em> of the emptiness. You look at this empty place in your life, and you see it as your greatest problem. What I want you to know is that that\u2019s not how God sees it! When God looks at your life, and He sees the empty place, He sees it as His greatest opportunity; because God does His best work with empty.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, that\u2019s <em>always<\/em> what He has done. 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We hardly know how to make sense of this when we think about the promises that God has made to Abram\u2014that they\u2019re going to have as many descendants as there are stars in the sky. But, once again, God does His work. At 90 years old, her womb is filled with a child they name Isaac, which means laughter. What does God do?\u2014He works in the emptiness this good work and fills their lives with so much joy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn a <em>sense<\/em>, this promised child in her womb is really just a shadow of another womb; it\u2019s empty\u2014not because she is old\u2014but empty because she\u2019s never been with a man. An angel comes to her. Just as the Spirit hovered at creation, the angel says to this young woman Mary that the Holy Spirit is going to overshadow her. And what\u2019s going to happen?\u2014her womb is going to be filled with the very life of God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOver and over again, in the Bible, we see that God works in empty. Here we are\u2014thinking that it\u2019s up to us to gather up some stuff to bring to Him that He can work with\u2014but He is a Creator God. He creates something\/<em>everything<\/em> out of nothing; He works with <em>empty<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember the very first time I said that at one of our respite retreats. Afterwards, my husband\/he was like, \u201cI don\u2019t know where that came from, but that\u2019s a book!\u201d For 11 years it wasn\u2019t, and now it is. What I\u2019ve done in the book, I\u2019ve just traced the story through the Bible. I\u2019ve given you kind of a couple steps into it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut don\u2019t we see again and again\u2014the story of Naomi and Ruth\u2014she uses this word, if you remember. Do you remember that?\u2014Naomi comes back. When she left, their stomachs were empty; but her family was full. She returned; she\u2019s lost her husband and two sons. She can\u2019t even see the gift that she\u2019s been given in this daughter-in-law, Ruth, who\u2019s come home with her. She says to her friends, \u201cDon\u2019t call me Naomi. Call me Mara; my life is so bitter.\u201d She says, \u201cI went away full, and I\u2019ve come back empty.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen we start getting these hints of how God intends to do His work in her emptiness. Then, once again, when she [Ruth] goes to the threshing floor, she comes home with a scarf full of grain. The story ends\u2014and there is Naomi, who was so sure that her life was only empty\/only call her \u201cbitter\u201d\u2014and her arms are full. Her arms are full with a descendant, and one who\u2019s going to be\u2014it says that he\u2019s Obed; and Obed is going to be the father of Jesse; and Jesse is going to be the father of David, the king, who\u2019s going to fill the need of this nation for a leader\/the kind of leader that God wants for His people. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI could go on and on. There\u2019s just so many <em>pictures<\/em> throughout the Bible that we realize: \u201cGod keeps on doing His work in the empty place.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When you and David were grieving the loss of your daughter, and then the loss of your son\u2014your kids lived for less than a year, both of them\u2014I can\u2019t imagine the emptiness that must have been there for you and the wondering if there would ever be joy or life again in your soul.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Before that loss, I had been filling my life with God\u2019s Word. If we don\u2019t have that\/if we don\u2019t have that to hold onto\u2014when everything is so hard, and so dark, and so empty\u2014you can feel hopeless. I feel grateful that I came into that with a foundational understanding of who God is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me, that meant the key things about who He is in that situation: was that He\u2019s sovereign; this didn\u2019t happen to me, somehow, outside of His control. Then secondly, that He loves me. Just like those Israelites needed manna every day in the wilderness of the world, so we need manna every day to feed on as we make our way in the wilderness of the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf there\u2019s anyone, who\u2019s listening to me, who\u2019s experiencing the emptiness of grief or something like that, I would say to you, \u201cYou know what? Don\u2019t think that you can somehow move through this on your own,\u201d\u2014that somehow you\u2019re angry with God, and you\u2019ve set your Bible aside\u2014or maybe, you\u2019ve tried opening it; and you think, \u201cOkay; that\u2019s not speaking to me today; and besides, I can\u2019t even understand it.\u201d I\u2019m telling you\u2014you need manna, and the manna you need is to hear God\u2019s Word\u2014to take it, and to chew on it, and to digest it, and let it work into your life and nourish your soul and shape your thoughts. As it shapes your thoughts about who God is, and what He\u2019s doing in this world, it will begin to change your <em>feelings<\/em>, which is what we need so desperately. We find, as we feed on His Word\/with that manna every day, and as He\u2019s shaping our thinking and changing how we\u2019re feeling, that the heaviness of grief begins to lighten.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019ve been preaching through John 6, where Jesus says, \u201cI am the Bread of Life.\u201d That\u2019s an allusion back to the manna in the wilderness. In John 6:35, when Jesus says, \u201cI am the Bread of Life. He who comes to Me will never hunger. He who believes in Me will never thirst.\u201d Mary Ann said, \u201cWhat does that mean?\u2014never hunger; never thirst. Does that mean, when we come to Jesus, we\u2019re never empty? Does that mean, when we come to Jesus, there is never any lack or want on our part?\u201d What do we do with that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> That\u2019s a <em>beautiful<\/em> passage that we would tie to this story in the wilderness; right? Those people on the hillside did that day\u2014they remembered, \u201cOh; this is kind of like what happened with Moses in the wilderness,\u201d\u2014Jesus says to them, in a sense, there in John 6, \u201cYes, you\u2019re right; you\u2019re thinking along the right lines.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut here was the problem with those people that day, and it\u2019s the problem with you and me sometimes today; and that is, they wanted bread <em>from<\/em> Jesus and not Jesus <em>as<\/em> bread. There, on the hillside that day, when He said to them, \u201c<em>I<\/em> am the Bread of life. I am the Bread the Father has sent from heaven.\u201d Then, when He begins to talk about what it\u2019s going to mean for them, in a sense, to eat this bread\u2014remember what it\u2019s like? They\u2019re all so excited; \u201cWe\u2019re going to get free meals!\u201d He says, \u201cNo; you\u2019re going to eat My flesh and drink My blood.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll of a sudden, most of them are out. It\u2019s a very sad scene; isn\u2019t it? It says about them that \u201cMany of them walked away\u201d; it was too much for them. That\u2019s at the point, where\u2014I just <em>love<\/em> this\u2014Jesus said, \u201cAre you going to leave too?\u201d Peter says, \u201cBut where would we go? Only <em>You<\/em> have the words of eternal life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think you\u2019re getting at something important here, Bob; because it gets to the essence of what it means to never hunger and never thirst. We <em>must<\/em>, in a sense, eat this Bread of Life, which means feed on Jesus\u2019s atoning death and resurrected life. That\u2019s what it means\u2014that we begin to feed on it now; we begin to sense that God is at work in our emptiness\u2014not yet perfectly, not yet completely, but genuinely\u2014and know that the day is coming when we\u2019ll never feel hungry or thirsty again. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It makes me think, as I listen to you: \u201cCan a person really experience the fullness and intimacy of Christ without ever being completely empty?\u201d It\u2019s like you can\u2019t really; can you? Can I be healed if I\u2019ve never felt or admitted the real sense of brokenness in my life?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s so important, Dave\u2014when we reckon with this emptiness, and when we refuse to turn to the world to fill it\u2014because isn\u2019t that so much of what we do? We fill it with the internet; and we fill it with alcohol; and we fill it with food; and we fill it with busyness; and we fill it with accomplishment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014or a person. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014or another person; exactly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014a marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> But instead, when we come to the place, where we go, \u201cWow; I feel empty. Where am I going to turn for the filling that I know that I need?\u201d As we allow that emptiness to turn us upward\u2014to focus us into God\u2019s Word and to focus us up on Jesus Christ\u2014and say, \u201cYou know what? There\u2019s so many other things I can turn to, but I want <em>You<\/em> to fill my emptiness. Your kindness, Your love, Your grace\u2014I need <em>You<\/em> to fill my life with meaning, not something I can make happen on my own.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think my greatest sense of emptiness\u2014that same feeling\u2014was when I lost my best friend and sister. She was only 45; she had four sons that ranged from 11 to 20. By the time she was diagnosed, she passed away within five months of lung cancer. I was <em>devastated<\/em>; I had never experienced an emptiness like that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember, I was angry with God. All the prayers that I was praying\u2014that she would be healed on this earth\u2014hadn\u2019t happened. I felt like He had abandoned me in so many ways, and her kids, and her husband. In my emptiness, I had cried out; but I was so angry that I started filling my life with other things\u2014exactly what you were saying. I was eating more. I didn\u2019t even want to listen to Christian music at first. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd yet, the emptiness then became so <em>excruciating<\/em> that I knew: \u201cI need to turn to my Father.\u201d It is so interesting\u2014when we come to the Father\/we say, \u201cI have <em>nothing<\/em>; I have nothing,\u201d\u2014I was honest in saying to God\u2014\u201cI feel like You haven\u2019t answered me. I feel like You haven\u2019t talked to me. I feel like You\u2019ve been distant. But I need You so <em>desperately <\/em>that I can go nowhere else to be filled.\u201d The things I was doing\u2014they were not filling me in the <em>least<\/em>. In fact, it made me feel worse: I felt fat; I felt shame. I felt like, \u201cOhhh; this is terrible.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNancy, you\u2019re saying, when we go to God and say, \u201cI have nothing\u201d; He\u2019s saying, \u201cI can do My <em>best<\/em> work in that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Absolutely; He says, \u201cThis is not the end; this is the <em>beginning<\/em>. Now, as you open yourself up to Me, I will fill you up with the very best things! As you refuse to allow yourself\/for your life to be filled with all of the less-than-the-best things, I will fill you up. I will come in; I will work; I will show you My grace; I will show you My kindness; I will fill your life with meaning, and purpose, and faith, and joy.\u201d The reason we know He can do that is because we can see that He\u2019s done it again, and again, and again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You get to Philippians 2. You find out the reason God can do that in us is because Paul tells us Jesus emptied Himself; right?\u2014He takes that same word and says, \u201cI\u2019m going to let it all go so that you can be full.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> He poured Himself out on the cross; didn\u2019t He? Even now, He intends to pour Himself <em>into<\/em> us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Walking through the valley with Ann, when her sister died\u2014it really was the woman who led her to Christ\/her best friend\u2014I watched her be empty. We\u2019d go to church and weep when we sang worship\u2014couldn\u2019t even sing\u2014just wept. I remember getting to a point, maybe nine months\/a year in, after she died, thinking, \u201cI don\u2019t know if my wife will ever come back to her full self.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen I watched what she just told you; I watched her dig in the Word. She knew God; she just needed to see Him again and know that He was good and with her. I remember, one day, I was in the kitchen; she was out in the garage. I heard her laugh; I can feel it right now. I remember going, \u201cI haven\u2019t heard her laugh in two years.\u201d It was a belly laugh; I\u2019m like, \u201cShe\u2019s going to make it. God\u2019s going to get her through this\u201d; and she has. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would just say, \u201cIf you\u2019re in that valley, God is going to bring laughter.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think this would be a great time, if you\u2019re feeling that emptiness\u2014if you take a sponge, and it hasn\u2019t been used or had water put on it in a long time\u2014you can scrape it with your thumbnail or fingernail and hear it go [scraping sound]. I thought, \u201cThat\u2019s what my heart felt like.\u201d But then I take God\u2019s Word\u2014and if you like put a drop of water on it once a week\u2014it doesn\u2019t do anything for a little drop\u2014sometimes that\u2019s what we do at church: \u201cOh, I got a little Word at church.\u201d But when you start to put a drop, and a drop, and a drop, suddenly that sponge fills back up; and it becomes soft. I realized, \u201cMy heart is coming alive again. God\u2019s Word is filling me. I still don\u2019t have all the answers.\u201d Yet, I felt a fullness that I had never really experienced before. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat if we committed\u2014like, \u201cGod, I\u2019m going to be in Your Word every day so that my heart is soft, so that Your Word comes alive\u201d? And His Word will never return void; it will <em>always<\/em> take root in our hearts, and it will fill us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think there are a lot of us, at the end of 2020, who are feeling the emptiness\/the loneliness for a lot of reasons. This is a book that will bring, not just comfort, but help for a lot of people. The book is called <em>God Does His Best Work with Empty<\/em> by Nancy Guthrie. You can order the book from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get your copy. Again, the title is <em>God Does His Best Work with Empty<\/em> by Nancy Guthrie. Order online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call to order at 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe love hearing from listeners. 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Thank you for standing with us for the gospel and for families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In addition to your donation being matched, dollar for dollar, we want to send you a couple of thank-you gifts when you make a yearend donation. You\u2019ll receive a copy of my book, <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em>, which came out this year. It\u2019s all about what biblical love looks like in a marriage relationship. We\u2019re going to send you a flash drive\/a thumb drive that has more than 100 of the very best <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> programs from the last 28 years\u2014programs on marriage, family, parenting; programs featuring Dennis and Barbara Rainey, Dave and Ann Wilson, some of the guests we\u2019ve had through the years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis flash drive, along with the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> book, are our way of saying, \u201cThank you for being part of the team that helps us finish the year in a good place.\u201d Thanks, in advance, for whatever you\u2019re able to do. You can donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTomorrow, we\u2019re going to continue our conversation with Nancy Guthrie about where we turn when we are empty\/when we\u2019re lonely. We\u2019re going to talk about how important it is to turn to God first rather than trying to find life somewhere else. 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