{"id":306515,"date":"2020-11-02T07:00:04","date_gmt":"2020-11-02T12:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-call-of-a-parent\/"},"modified":"2020-11-02T07:00:04","modified_gmt":"2020-11-02T12:00:04","slug":"the-call-of-a-parent","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-call-of-a-parent\/","title":{"rendered":"The Call of a Parent"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Your children need guidance, and you are their guide. Adam Griffin, author of the book, &#8220;Family Discipleship,&#8221; talks about a parent&#8217;s call to intentionally teach their children what it means to love God and love others. This involves making spiritual deposits in the life of your kids whenever possible, whether you&#8217;re doing family devotions, sitting around the dinner table, or taking a walk in the woods enjoying God&#8217;s creation.<br \/>\nShow Notes and Resources<\/p>\n<p> \tDownload FamilyLife&#8217;s new app! https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/app\/<br \/>\n \tFind resources from this podcast at https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/Products.aspx?categoryid=95.<br \/>\n \tCheck out all that&#8217;s available on the FamilyLife Podcast Network.\u00a0 https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/familylife-podcast-network\/<br \/>\n \tHave the FamilyLife Today\u00ae podcast and resources helped you?\u00a0 Consider becoming a Legacy Partner, a monthly supporter of FamilyLife.\u00a0https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/legacy<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Your children need guidance, and you are their guide. 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Adam Griffin says the Bible gives us clear instruction: we are to raise our kids in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> This is the general call of every Christian parent. It\u2019s <em>not<\/em> just about having a well-behaved kid nor is it this shameful thing of having a misbehaving kid or a kid who rejects the Lord. Our theology has room for all of those versions; including imperfect, discouraged, worn-out, exhausted moms and dads. How do we help them see the call to lead their family spiritually, without saying, \u201cHey, here\u2019s another thing you\u2019re not doing well\u201d?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Monday, November 2<sup>nd<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019ve got some words of encouragement for you today and some practical coaching on how you can fulfill God\u2019s assignment to disciple your kids as you raise them. Adam Griffin joins us today. Stay with us.\n\nAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. We\u2019re coming back to a subject that we visit somewhat regularly here.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And we should!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s what parents tell us they need help with.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In fact, as we were producing <em>The Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series, we were talking about: \u201cHow do you form character in a child\u2019s life\/how you help a child grow up with character?\u201d Part of that is the spiritual disciplines that take place in your family. We talked to a number of our contributors to <em>The Art of Parenting <\/em>about the issue of family devotions and how they do that.\n\nYou were included in this [Dave]. I thought we should just start by revisiting what people like Alistair Begg, and Dave and Ann Wilson, and Steven Kendrick, and Kevin DeYoung\u2014how <em>they<\/em> talked about family devotions in their families. Are you ready to listen?\u2014it\u2019s about three minutes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, no!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t even remember what we said; oh, boy!\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s probably <em>bad<\/em>!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s what it is. Here we go.\n\n[<em>The Art of Parenting <\/em>Excerpt]\n\n<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Parents, who are not familiar with family devotions: it\u2019s awesome! You\u2019ve got to do it.\n\nBasically, no preparation\u2014you don\u2019t have to be seminary-trained or anything\u2014but get some copies of God\u2019s Word in the same translation; turn off the TV; sit on the couch together, as a family; and just pray, \u201cGod, would You speak to us now?\u201d Then open up the Word of God; read a chapter of God\u2019s Word out loud; and then just talk about it; then pray together, as a family, for God to help you to apply what you\u2019ve learned and for the events of the day.\n\n<strong>Alex:<\/strong> It\u2019s not rocket science. You\u2019re sitting there, reading God\u2019s Word, talking about it in this very relaxed setting. But in doing so, we are prioritizing time with the Lord and time with each other, and makes our relationships stronger. It breeds the education of the Word of God in the lives of my children, and it gives them a hunger to know the Lord more.\n\n<strong>Man: <\/strong>We just try to have one or two points: \u201cWhat do we learn about God?\u201d \u201cWhat do we learn about ourselves?\u201d\u2014just two simple questions. You don\u2019t have to be a Bible scholar, but just help them think about who God is and who we are in light of who God is.\n\n<strong>Alistair:<\/strong> I don\u2019t want to say we were sporadic; we were sporadically consistent, you know? Our kids understood, and we did our best; and it has been patchy along the way. I'd like to have that time all over again. I read some of the books; and I go, \u201cGoodness, gracious! I was\u00a0horrible\u00a0at this.\u201d\n\nDave:\u00a0Ann always had this idea\u2014that I often heard about, in the early years, when they were toddlers\u2014that we would have a family altar. Once a week, we'd all come together; and I would lead us in teaching Scripture, and prayer, and the whole deal.\n\nAnn:\u00a0Oh, the image in my head was the\u00a0best. It was just this\u00a0beautiful\u00a0time: \u201cOh, dad! Tell us more,\u201d\u2014that was my image.\n\nDave:\u00a0And the kids would sit there and fold their hands and listen\u2014that was your vision.\n\nActually, we tried that a few times. They were running around the house, and screaming, and yelling. I ended up throwing the Bible at them. [Laughter] It was like, \u201cOkay, that's not going to work.\u201d [Laughter] Some families can do that\u2014and some do it and it works\u2014it <em>didn't<\/em> work for our family.\n\nRon:\u00a0We had devotionals with our kids when they were younger; but then they got older. [Laughter] We had to change how we went about that. They became young adults, and they moved out of the house. Now I send a text; it's a group family text. Sometimes, we get to have a conversation around that text; and sometimes we don't. I'm just trying to keep the Lord in front of them.\n\nKevin:\u00a0We are like most families in that we struggle. It's hard work to have this family worship or this devotional time at the table, because our kids are running all over the place. I don't mean that figuratively; I mean it <em>literally<\/em>\u2014they're running <em>all over<\/em> the place\u2014on things\/around things. It's very easy for me to think of family worship times that have been less than ideal. I'm not sure I have any that <em>have <\/em>been ideal.\n\n<strong>Man:<\/strong> It\u2019s not always great.\n\n<strong>Woman:<\/strong> You\u2019re going to have those nights.\n\n<strong>Man:<\/strong> There are times, where the kids get under my skin. It\u2019s like, \u201cOkay; let\u2019s sit down and do a Bible story today\u201d; and they\u2019re just haywire. I\u2019m like, \u201cOkay; let\u2019s just pray and get to bed,\u201d because we\u2019re done with it.\n\n<strong>Kevin:<\/strong> It is worth it; it is worth it. I think of my parents just methodically reading a passage of Scripture with us\u2014nothing fancy at all\u2014but the impact, over years of the Bible and prayer with Mom and Dad, is immeasurable.\n\n[Studio]\n\nBob:\u00a0Well, again, a great montage of voices talking about the importance of family worship.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019m glad that we\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We were the worst ones! [Laughter] I\u2019m glad we were in there\u2014like, \u201cYes, it didn\u2019t work for us,\u201d\u2014we actually didn\u2019t get to finish that, because it did work in a different way.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s right; it did, honey.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, what we\u2019re talking about today is not just family worship. We\u2019re really talking about a broader subject of family discipleship; family times together around God\u2019s Word are a part of that, but there\u2019s much more to it than that.\n\nAdam Griffin is joining us to help us dive into this. Adam, welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Well, thanks for having me. I\u2019m glad to be here.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Adam is a pastor and an author. He lives in east Dallas, Texas\u2014has written; actually, he co-wrote this book with Matt Chandler\u2014\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> That\u2019s right; yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014a book on family discipleship. I had a sense, in reading your book, that this was a rhythm that you grew up with\/that family discipleship was something that you experienced as a child.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> I think, yes; but it is different, because every family is different. Even though I had a version of it in <em>my<\/em> childhood, this is not a reiteration of that; it\u2019s a total restart, because I\u2019ve got my kids.\n\nYou know, my parents had me; and I was mischievous, rambunctious, not wanting to listen. Theirs was much more ritualistic, I remember, growing up. It was the Lord\u2019s Prayer: \u201cWe\u2019re praying it like this,\u201d or \u201cWe\u2019re going to do <em>this <\/em>devotional book.\u201d\n\nI think there\u2019s a lot more flexibility in the version that I\u2019m getting to lead out in.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Hearing Alistair, Dave and Ann, and Kevin DeYoung, and all those guys\u2014you\u2019ve talked to parents, who can tell you any number of stories about what it looks like in their house; right?\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Absolutely! And that\u2019s one of the advantages, I think, of co-writing this book. Instead of just coming from my perspective, you\u2019ve got Matt\u2019s perspective, as a parent of teenagers, and my perspective as a parent of elementary kids. He\u2019s talking about taking his son out for breakfast and talking about football, the Bible, and girls; and I\u2019m talking about putting my kids to bed at night and praying with them\/blessing them as I\u2019m putting them to sleep.\n\nBoth of these are good examples of how we\u2019ll shift and change as our kids get older and as we determine: \u201cWho are these kids the Lord gave us?\u201d and \u201cWhat is the way that <em>this <\/em>kid is going to be the one I\u2019m dialing into and pressing towards the Lord?\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Tell us about your family.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> I have three sons: Oscar, Gus, and Theodore. My wife Chelsea works full-time as a labor and delivery nurse; she works nights, and so we both work full-time. We get to do family discipleship together; sometimes she\u2019s leading it when I\u2019m out; sometimes I\u2019m leading it when she\u2019s out.\n\nMy sons are just a joy! They share a room; they love each other right now. We\u2019re at that kind of golden age of parenting, where it\u2019s not been an option to not do family worship together; it\u2019s not been an option to not go to church. It\u2019s just <em>normal<\/em> and ordinary for them that we are reading the Bible together.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And did you come into marriage and parenting with a vision for this? Or did you have kids and go, \u201cOh! We\u2019ve got to figure this out\u201d?\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> I feel like my background in student ministry has led to my passion for this in kids. I spent so much time in one-on-one discipleship with teenagers that\u2014when I had my own sons\/now with my three sons\u2014it\u2019s been a very easy and natural transition to say, \u201cWhat will it look like for me, who discipled so many young people, to now disciple my own kids?\u201d\n\nI spent time as a public school teacher. I got to lead kids to the Lord, in the public school, that were students of mine. Similarly now, I look at my own kids; and I think, \u201cMan, I\u2019ve got <em>all<\/em> of this time with them! How am I going to leverage the opportunities I have, the conversations we have, the time we have together to talk about the Lord?\u201d Because I love them so much, there\u2019s <em>nothing<\/em> I want for them more than to know Christ, so that led to this passion. It kind of coincided\/dove-tailed with the gifts and the experiences that the Lord had already given me.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> As a youth pastor and as a teacher, did you see things in the kids you were mentoring\u2014like: \u201cOkay, I don\u2019t want to do that,\u201d [Laughter] \u201cI definitely want to do that,\u201d\u2014I mean, you saw families from\u2014\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Oh, for sure!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014as they were bringing them to your church. What were the things that made you think: \u201cOkay; I <em>can\u2019t<\/em> do that,\u201d \u201cI can do this\u201d? Anything jump off the page?\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes! A great example would be Jen Wilkin, who wrote the forward for this book, who now writes\u2014like people know Jen.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t know Jen. I met her son when he was a freshman in high school, and I was mentoring him and discipling him. His mom hadn\u2019t written any books yet; but when you met Matt\u2014Matt Wilkin, her oldest son\u2014you thought, \u201cMan! This is a godly young man. He\u2019s been parented in a godly way and been discipled.\u201d And then, once you meet his parents, you\u2019re like, \u201cOf course; these people have been <em>so intentional<\/em> in raising him to follow the Lord.\u201d\n\nBut then, I would also meet kids, whose parents did <em>not<\/em> know the Lord\u2014who would come to church on their own or even against their parents\u2019 wishes\u2014who had come to the Lord. You look at the disadvantage they had\u2014where they didn\u2019t have a parent, who was leading them\u2014but they now met this God. What is it going to look like for the church to step in alongside <em>that<\/em> kid and disciple them?\n\nBoth of those experiences helped me shape what I <em>hope<\/em> for my kids\/what I <em>pray<\/em> for my kids, learning from other parents, as well as knowing my God is bigger than any of my shortfalls, as a parent; and praying through those things as well.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So what would you say is the <em>calling<\/em> of a parent? I\u2019m saying it because, you know, when we became parents\u2014just like everybody in this room\u2014you <em>feel<\/em> this!\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I can remember bringing our firstborn, CJ\u2014who\u2019s 34 now?\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014putting him in the crib after coming home from the hospital, and just standing there, looking down. I\u2019m guessing a lot of moms and dads have this <em>same<\/em> experience, going, \u201cI feel <em>such <\/em>a responsibility!\u201d You know, number one: \u201cI didn\u2019t have a dad; now I\u2019m a dad.\u201d But I\u2019m looking down at [him] like with almost <em>fear<\/em> and reverence: \u201cI have a responsibility! Am I equipped to do it? What am I supposed to do?\u201d\n\nTalk about that; there\u2019s a <em>calling<\/em> that a mom and dad have\u2014as you obviously have in your title: <em>Family Discipleship<\/em>\u2014but what\u2019s the calling?\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s been the driving force behind even writing the book at all. I felt like, when you get engaged, there are a <em>thousand<\/em> books you could read on engagement and on \u201cAre you ready to be married?\u201d Once you\u2019re married, there are a <em>thousand<\/em> books on marriage; and they\u2019re really, really good.\n\nThen, when it comes to parenting books, there are a lot of books that help with some of those stresses about making sleep choices for baby, and making parenting choices for discipline, and parenting in a Christian manner\u2014there are a lot of books like that out there\u2014but I had trouble finding something that went: \u201cHow am I going to be equipped to <em>lead<\/em> my home spiritually?\u201d\u2014like\u2014\u201cHow am I going to take on\u2026\u201d\n\nWhen you read the Bible, it\u2019s not all about discipline; and it\u2019s not all about birth order; it\u2019s not all about, you know, sleep choices. But a lot of it is about: \u201cHey, tell this to your kids: what the Lord has done in your life; communicate to your kids what the Lord has done in the life of God\u2019s people.\u201d\n\nThe call, like you\u2019re saying: the literal call\/the vocation of every parent is to be a spiritual leader in their home. I felt like there was an opportunity for <em>us<\/em> to say, \u201cHey, this is some helpful language we use\/some helpful ways to think about it to help you take kind of the mystery [away] and demystify the idea of: \u2018What does it mean to be a spiritual leader in my home?\u2019\u2014and help it become something ordinary and accessible, since this is the general call of <em>every<\/em> Christian parent.\u201d\n\nIt\u2019s <em>not<\/em> just about having a well-behaved kid nor is it this shameful thing of having a misbehaving kid or a kid who rejects the Lord. Our theology has room for all of those versions; including imperfect, discouraged, worn-out, exhausted moms and dads. How do we help them see the call to lead their family spiritually, without saying, \u201cHey, here\u2019s another thing you\u2019re not doing well\u201d?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And some parents are feeling so overwhelmed!\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> They don\u2019t come from a spiritual or Christian background, so they have <em>no<\/em> idea\u2014like, \u201cWhat do I do?\u201d I think I\u2019m just speaking for\/because I talk with a lot of women; they\u2019re thinking: \u201cI want to do this, but my husband\u2019s not onboard\u201d; you know? But you\u2019re saying it\u2019s a <em>call<\/em>\u2014\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014that God has <em>assigned<\/em> us this task.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes, you\u2019re right; it is a <em>legitimate<\/em> problem\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> \u2014that some of us have never been discipled. We don\u2019t find, in the Scripture, that to be a legitimate excuse <em>not to <\/em>disciple our kids; right? In the book, we\u2019ve made provisions for that, too, understanding that every family\u2019s different: some of them are single parents; some of them are, spiritually, single parents, saying, \u201cMy husband\/or my wife doesn\u2019t believe the same thing, so how can I spiritually lead this home?\u201d Some of our kids have disabilities, or there are blended families.\n\nIt\u2019s like, \u201cHow can we, in this modern era, think about family in a way that\u2019s going to demystify all the stuff that\u2019s so discouraging; all the stuff that\u2019s so exhausting; all the stuff that leads to comparison, and judgment, and shame, and self-harassment in that?\u201d\u2014because it is such a significant deal\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cbut at the same time not minimize how important this is?\u201d\u2014like it is a <em>big <\/em>deal; the Lord has entrusted to us a human life and asked us to raise them to know Him.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think\u2014like that day I\u2019m standing there, looking at CJ as a newborn\u2014I don\u2019t think I had in my head, yet, Matthew 28\/the Great Commission\u2014Jesus said, \u201cGo, therefore, and make disciples.\u201d\n\nI had that as a pastor: \u201cI\u2019m supposed to go out\/outside my home and make disciples of the men and women in our church.\u201d But that\u2019s a call\u2014I mean, the most important disciple a dad or mom will try to pour into is their own sons and daughters; right?\u2014that\u2019s the <em>call<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s right in front of you. The Great Commission and the great commandment is: to love God and to love your neighbor; to make disciples everywhere\u2014it starts in your own home.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> But it\u2019s easier, sometimes, out there. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Sometimes, yes! Sometimes, it\u2019s easier to say, \u201cAt the end of this appointment, you\u2019re going to go home!\u201d Whereas with your kids, it\u2019s like, \u201cWe\u2019re going to be together\u2014you\u2019re going nowhere; I\u2019m going nowhere.\u201d\n\nBut that\u2019s why the family dynamic both lends itself to helping our kids understand: \u201cHow can an imperfect person follow a perfect God?\u201d\u2014<em>not<\/em>\u2014\u201cHow can my kids get more perfect parents?\u201d which is kind of what we trick ourselves into thinking: \u201cOkay; family discipleship must be about me being perfect around my kids.\u201d No! It\u2019s about helping your kid understand <em>you\u2019re<\/em> not perfect; <em>you <\/em>need to repent; you need a perfect God; you rely on the gospel!\n\n\u201cHow do you help your kids see <em>that<\/em> version of you?\u201d\u2014not\u2014\u201cHow can you do this in a way\u201d\u2014like you talked about in that intro, Bob, where kids are sitting down, folding their hands, and their faces are glowing, listening to everything you\u2019re saying\u201d\u2014no! \u201cHow does an imperfect family follow a perfect God?\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I wish I\u2019d had somebody giving me that mentoring, early on; because I didn\u2019t grow up with an experience of any kind of family discipleship. I was starting cold. I thought: \u201cMy job is to model what this looks like, and let you see it in all its glory, and never let you see it in any of its brokenness; because if you think, \u2018Mom and Dad can\u2019t do it,\u2019 maybe you\u2019ll go, \u2018Well, maybe, nobody can do it!\u2019\u201d\n\nWhat I didn\u2019t recognize is\u2014I was <em>not<\/em> discipling my kids to know how to deal with their own failures. So part of the message they were getting was: \u201cWell, Mom and Dad seem to have this all worked out. I don\u2019t; I make mistakes; Mom and Dad don\u2019t. I guess there\u2019s something different about Mom and Dad than me.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> <em>That<\/em> didn\u2019t happen in our house! [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cOur kids knew that I messed up\u201d; right? I mean, it\u2019s not that I was always perfect in front of them.\n\nBut I remember a guest we had on <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>years ago, who said, \u201cMost Christian parents are teaching their kids how to avoid sin and how to conceal sin,\u201d\u2014so\u2014\u201cStay away from this; don\u2019t do it. If you do, you\u2019ll get in trouble,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s the message\u2014so kids do stuff, and they think, \u201cI\u2019m going to get in trouble if they find out, so I\u2019ve got to conceal it!\u201d\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> \u201cGot to hide it\u201d; yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> He said, \u201cWe\u2019ve got to teach our kids how to confess and repent.\u201d\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> He said, \u201cThe way you teach your kids how to confess and repent is you confess and repent in front of them\u2014\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Amen! Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cso that they can see, \u2018Oh! That\u2019s what it looks like.\u2019\u201d\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\nOne of the aspects we talk about in this book is\u2014not just scheduling family devotions\u2014it\u2019s being a legit believer around your kids and inviting them into that\u2014saying, \u201cHey, this is where Dad made a mistake, and I need you to forgive me.\u201d Or when they make a mistake, pointing out, \u201cHey, Dad has done the same thing a million times. Isn\u2019t it good that our God is forgiving?\u2014that He can forgive us fully, freely, and forever. He can say both, \u2018Neither do I condemn you,\u2019 <em>and<\/em> \u2018Go and sin no more.\u2019 We can operate out of that great trust in Him.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> In a sense, that\u2019s how you make disciples; right?\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Because, I mean, we were joking on that <em>Art of Parenting <\/em>clip; but there was a real tension in our home, when the boys were really little, with Ann really wanting a family altar\u2014she called it that!\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I <em>did not <\/em>call that the \u201cfamily altar\u201d! [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, you did; that\u2019s what I remember!\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I said, \u201cLet\u2019s have family devotions, like Barbara and Dennis Rainey.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s what she said! [Laughter] We didn\u2019t know what they had, but we had this image that they sat [around] the fireplace. I\u2019m not kidding!\u2014this was it! We, actually\u2014because I was like, \u201cI didn\u2019t have this; I didn\u2019t grow up in a Christian home,\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t either; I didn\u2019t know.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cso how do we do this?\u201d She actually convinced me, \u201cWhy don\u2019t you just take the sermon you preached on Sunday morning and give a mini-version of it on Sunday night?\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I <em>still <\/em>like that idea!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, my goodness!\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> It\u2019s not a bad idea!\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> See?!\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> That works! [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I mean, I thought, \u201cWhy would I care more about the people on Sunday morning than about my own household?\u201d so we did it. I can see it right now\u2014there around the fireplace with the boys\u2014what were they?\u2014four, five, six, seven years old. It was like boogers, and hitting each other, and running around. I got so frustrated; I thought it was going to be like Ann: a little halo above my head\/soft-playing music. [Laughter] You know, I didn\u2019t realize in that\u2014and we tried it a couple of times\u2014it\u2019s like, \u201cThat\u2019s what\u2019s going to happen. They\u2019re little boys! You\u2019re not going to have them strapped in a seatbelt, listening to this quiet little thing.\u201d\n\nWe learned\u2014or maybe I learned\u2014\u201cIt\u2019s going to look different; it\u2019s not going to look like that. We are still called to make disciples. Figure out a different strategy.\u201d I threw away the sermon thing. I think what ended up happening is\u2014it was an overflow of Dad\u2019s life\u2014like you just said earlier. It was like: \u201cWhat did God say to you today?\u201d \u201cWhat did you struggle with today? How did God meet you today?\u201d \u201cWhat are you praying right now?\u201d\u2014grab a moment and emote that.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> You think about: \u201cWhat you would want if you were being discipled?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> \u201cWhat would you ask for\/would you say, \u2018What I really need is somebody just to sit me down on a fireplace, make me sit absolutely still, and talk at me for an hour\u2019? [Laughter] No; we would say, \u2018I want somebody to invest in my life!\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> \u2014\u201c\u2019to think about what is happening with me; to really look me in the eye and be present\u2014not be on their phone; not be moving about; not just say, \u2018Well, I\u2019m sure they\u2019re picking up enough as we go.\u2019\u201d No; you would want somebody to really show that they really cared. That\u2019s the opportunity we have in our own home.\n\nSometimes, for some families, that\u2019s going to look like, \u201cSit down; we\u2019ve got a lesson we\u2019re going to walk through.\u201d And for some families, it\u2019s going to look like, \u201cI just want to ask you a bunch of questions about where you\u2019re at\/how you\u2019re doing. I just want to pray for you.\u201d At different stages, it can change for each family and for each kid. If we start to prioritize our plans over the people the Lord has put in our house, that is going to be frustrating.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> But if we look at the people the Lord gave us, and come up with a plan based on that, then I think there\u2019s going to be some fruit from that.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, I think the thing we realized, too, was bedtime was ideal for little kids; because they don\u2019t want to go to sleep.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes!\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And they\u2019re willing to talk about <em>anything<\/em> and <em>everything<\/em> at that point!\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Amen.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Is that what you have found?\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Absolutely right! Yes; family discipleship time for us can extend <em>far <\/em>into the night. My kids, right now, are asking really deep questions. Part of it, I know, is they\u2019re trying to avoid maybe bedtime some of the time.\n\nBut I think we\u2019ll be surprised\u2014and I hear this from parents all the time\u2014you\u2019ll be surprised at what your kids picked up, what they remember, what they keyed in on when you thought they were just running around the house and smashing things. It might have been that moment that the Lord used to convict their heart, or that they heard something, or that it really clicked for them. That\u2019s the way the Holy Spirit works!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; and I\u2019ll add this\u2014in the teenage years, bedtime was critical too. I mean, you don\u2019t do it the same way\u2014you\u2019re not lying on the bed and rolling around in it\u2014you might be lying on the floor. But there\u2019s that moment at 9\/10 o\u2019clock at night, when homework\u2019s done, and they\u2019re getting ready; right, Ann?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, yes!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> There are still moments there. They\u2019re men now\/or women, almost\u2014\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014you know, as 13-, 14-, 16-, 17-year-olds. But man!\u2014if I laid on the floor and said: \u2018Boy, I struggled with this today,\u201d\u2014\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cGod met me here,\u201d\u2014there were conversations that were sort of beautiful\u2014that I had a tendency to say, \u201cHey, man! Good night\u201d\u2014\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014walked out of the room. And now, as a grandparent\u2014like, \u201cMan, you\u2019re going to blink, and they\u2019re going to be gone; so seize those moments to help make disciples.\u201d\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s exactly what we\u2019re talking about in the book\u2014is saying: \u201cWhat are the cross points your family already has?\u201d You guys are already together!\u2014so how do you leverage that opportunity for the gospel? If you\u2019re driving them home from football practice, you\u2019re not <em>just <\/em>going to talk about the game; you\u2019re going to talk, maybe, about a Proverb based on what they said. It doesn\u2019t have to be scheduled and prepared. You\u2019re just thinking about, \u201cHow can I try to help this kid understand my relationship with the Lord and my desire for him to have one?\u201d\n\nWhether it\u2019s putting your kids to bed at night when they\u2019re teenagers\u2014or it might be when they get busted in the concealed sin that you talked about, Bob\u2014and talking about what grace the Lord has for us, we\u2019ll see the reality of the Scripture when our sin causes devastation. Every parent is going to have that moment, where they get the opportunity to be the one who demonstrates grace to their kids\u2014that I can still love you, even now.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> And we have the opportunity in that, because we\u2019ve seen the Lord do that for <em>us<\/em>. All of us have personally experienced that if we know the Lord.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There is a word that just keeps coming back, over and over again, anytime we talk about this subject that I think is the key word. The word is \u201cintentionality.\u201d\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s moms and dads, who are <em>purposeful<\/em> with this as an objective.\n\nIf you say, \u201cOh, I\u2019ll do that when the moment is right,\u201d\u2014well, that\u2019s a good approach\u2014but you have to be intentional to be looking for those right moments. You can\u2019t just hope it\u2019s going to kind of naturally emerge. You have to be thinking when and how\u2014and \u201cThis is important; do I have opportunities during the day?\u201d\u2014looking to seize those moments for spiritual deposits in the lives of your kids.\n\nWhat you\u2019ve done for us with the book, <em>Family Discipleship<\/em>,is to help us think through\u2014and I like these categories: the times, the moments, and the milestones\u2014and how we can be intentional with all of that. In fact, we want to make your book available to any <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>listener, who would like to get a copy. 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Adam Griffin talks about a parent's call to intentionally teach their children what it means to love God and love others.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2020-11-02.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>If you\u2019re a mom or a dad, what is job one for you as a parent? Adam Griffin says the Bible gives us clear instruction: we are to raise our kids in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> This is the general call of every Christian parent. It\u2019s <em>not<\/em> just about having a well-behaved kid nor is it this shameful thing of having a misbehaving kid or a kid who rejects the Lord. Our theology has room for all of those versions; including imperfect, discouraged, worn-out, exhausted moms and dads. How do we help them see the call to lead their family spiritually, without saying, \u201cHey, here\u2019s another thing you\u2019re not doing well\u201d?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Monday, November 2<sup>nd<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019ve got some words of encouragement for you today and some practical coaching on how you can fulfill God\u2019s assignment to disciple your kids as you raise them. Adam Griffin joins us today. Stay with us.\n\nAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. We\u2019re coming back to a subject that we visit somewhat regularly here.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And we should!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s what parents tell us they need help with.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In fact, as we were producing <em>The Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series, we were talking about: \u201cHow do you form character in a child\u2019s life\/how you help a child grow up with character?\u201d Part of that is the spiritual disciplines that take place in your family. We talked to a number of our contributors to <em>The Art of Parenting <\/em>about the issue of family devotions and how they do that.\n\nYou were included in this [Dave]. I thought we should just start by revisiting what people like Alistair Begg, and Dave and Ann Wilson, and Steven Kendrick, and Kevin DeYoung\u2014how <em>they<\/em> talked about family devotions in their families. Are you ready to listen?\u2014it\u2019s about three minutes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, no!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t even remember what we said; oh, boy!\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s probably <em>bad<\/em>!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s what it is. Here we go.\n\n[<em>The Art of Parenting <\/em>Excerpt]\n\n<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Parents, who are not familiar with family devotions: it\u2019s awesome! You\u2019ve got to do it.\n\nBasically, no preparation\u2014you don\u2019t have to be seminary-trained or anything\u2014but get some copies of God\u2019s Word in the same translation; turn off the TV; sit on the couch together, as a family; and just pray, \u201cGod, would You speak to us now?\u201d Then open up the Word of God; read a chapter of God\u2019s Word out loud; and then just talk about it; then pray together, as a family, for God to help you to apply what you\u2019ve learned and for the events of the day.\n\n<strong>Alex:<\/strong> It\u2019s not rocket science. You\u2019re sitting there, reading God\u2019s Word, talking about it in this very relaxed setting. But in doing so, we are prioritizing time with the Lord and time with each other, and makes our relationships stronger. It breeds the education of the Word of God in the lives of my children, and it gives them a hunger to know the Lord more.\n\n<strong>Man: <\/strong>We just try to have one or two points: \u201cWhat do we learn about God?\u201d \u201cWhat do we learn about ourselves?\u201d\u2014just two simple questions. You don\u2019t have to be a Bible scholar, but just help them think about who God is and who we are in light of who God is.\n\n<strong>Alistair:<\/strong> I don\u2019t want to say we were sporadic; we were sporadically consistent, you know? Our kids understood, and we did our best; and it has been patchy along the way. I'd like to have that time all over again. I read some of the books; and I go, \u201cGoodness, gracious! I was\u00a0horrible\u00a0at this.\u201d\n\nDave:\u00a0Ann always had this idea\u2014that I often heard about, in the early years, when they were toddlers\u2014that we would have a family altar. Once a week, we'd all come together; and I would lead us in teaching Scripture, and prayer, and the whole deal.\n\nAnn:\u00a0Oh, the image in my head was the\u00a0best. It was just this\u00a0beautiful\u00a0time: \u201cOh, dad! Tell us more,\u201d\u2014that was my image.\n\nDave:\u00a0And the kids would sit there and fold their hands and listen\u2014that was your vision.\n\nActually, we tried that a few times. They were running around the house, and screaming, and yelling. I ended up throwing the Bible at them. [Laughter] It was like, \u201cOkay, that's not going to work.\u201d [Laughter] Some families can do that\u2014and some do it and it works\u2014it <em>didn't<\/em> work for our family.\n\nRon:\u00a0We had devotionals with our kids when they were younger; but then they got older. [Laughter] We had to change how we went about that. They became young adults, and they moved out of the house. Now I send a text; it's a group family text. Sometimes, we get to have a conversation around that text; and sometimes we don't. I'm just trying to keep the Lord in front of them.\n\nKevin:\u00a0We are like most families in that we struggle. It's hard work to have this family worship or this devotional time at the table, because our kids are running all over the place. I don't mean that figuratively; I mean it <em>literally<\/em>\u2014they're running <em>all over<\/em> the place\u2014on things\/around things. It's very easy for me to think of family worship times that have been less than ideal. I'm not sure I have any that <em>have <\/em>been ideal.\n\n<strong>Man:<\/strong> It\u2019s not always great.\n\n<strong>Woman:<\/strong> You\u2019re going to have those nights.\n\n<strong>Man:<\/strong> There are times, where the kids get under my skin. It\u2019s like, \u201cOkay; let\u2019s sit down and do a Bible story today\u201d; and they\u2019re just haywire. I\u2019m like, \u201cOkay; let\u2019s just pray and get to bed,\u201d because we\u2019re done with it.\n\n<strong>Kevin:<\/strong> It is worth it; it is worth it. I think of my parents just methodically reading a passage of Scripture with us\u2014nothing fancy at all\u2014but the impact, over years of the Bible and prayer with Mom and Dad, is immeasurable.\n\n[Studio]\n\nBob:\u00a0Well, again, a great montage of voices talking about the importance of family worship.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019m glad that we\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We were the worst ones! [Laughter] I\u2019m glad we were in there\u2014like, \u201cYes, it didn\u2019t work for us,\u201d\u2014we actually didn\u2019t get to finish that, because it did work in a different way.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s right; it did, honey.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, what we\u2019re talking about today is not just family worship. We\u2019re really talking about a broader subject of family discipleship; family times together around God\u2019s Word are a part of that, but there\u2019s much more to it than that.\n\nAdam Griffin is joining us to help us dive into this. Adam, welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Well, thanks for having me. I\u2019m glad to be here.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Adam is a pastor and an author. He lives in east Dallas, Texas\u2014has written; actually, he co-wrote this book with Matt Chandler\u2014\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> That\u2019s right; yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014a book on family discipleship. I had a sense, in reading your book, that this was a rhythm that you grew up with\/that family discipleship was something that you experienced as a child.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> I think, yes; but it is different, because every family is different. Even though I had a version of it in <em>my<\/em> childhood, this is not a reiteration of that; it\u2019s a total restart, because I\u2019ve got my kids.\n\nYou know, my parents had me; and I was mischievous, rambunctious, not wanting to listen. Theirs was much more ritualistic, I remember, growing up. It was the Lord\u2019s Prayer: \u201cWe\u2019re praying it like this,\u201d or \u201cWe\u2019re going to do <em>this <\/em>devotional book.\u201d\n\nI think there\u2019s a lot more flexibility in the version that I\u2019m getting to lead out in.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Hearing Alistair, Dave and Ann, and Kevin DeYoung, and all those guys\u2014you\u2019ve talked to parents, who can tell you any number of stories about what it looks like in their house; right?\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Absolutely! And that\u2019s one of the advantages, I think, of co-writing this book. Instead of just coming from my perspective, you\u2019ve got Matt\u2019s perspective, as a parent of teenagers, and my perspective as a parent of elementary kids. He\u2019s talking about taking his son out for breakfast and talking about football, the Bible, and girls; and I\u2019m talking about putting my kids to bed at night and praying with them\/blessing them as I\u2019m putting them to sleep.\n\nBoth of these are good examples of how we\u2019ll shift and change as our kids get older and as we determine: \u201cWho are these kids the Lord gave us?\u201d and \u201cWhat is the way that <em>this <\/em>kid is going to be the one I\u2019m dialing into and pressing towards the Lord?\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Tell us about your family.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> I have three sons: Oscar, Gus, and Theodore. My wife Chelsea works full-time as a labor and delivery nurse; she works nights, and so we both work full-time. We get to do family discipleship together; sometimes she\u2019s leading it when I\u2019m out; sometimes I\u2019m leading it when she\u2019s out.\n\nMy sons are just a joy! They share a room; they love each other right now. We\u2019re at that kind of golden age of parenting, where it\u2019s not been an option to not do family worship together; it\u2019s not been an option to not go to church. It\u2019s just <em>normal<\/em> and ordinary for them that we are reading the Bible together.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And did you come into marriage and parenting with a vision for this? Or did you have kids and go, \u201cOh! We\u2019ve got to figure this out\u201d?\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> I feel like my background in student ministry has led to my passion for this in kids. I spent so much time in one-on-one discipleship with teenagers that\u2014when I had my own sons\/now with my three sons\u2014it\u2019s been a very easy and natural transition to say, \u201cWhat will it look like for me, who discipled so many young people, to now disciple my own kids?\u201d\n\nI spent time as a public school teacher. I got to lead kids to the Lord, in the public school, that were students of mine. Similarly now, I look at my own kids; and I think, \u201cMan, I\u2019ve got <em>all<\/em> of this time with them! How am I going to leverage the opportunities I have, the conversations we have, the time we have together to talk about the Lord?\u201d Because I love them so much, there\u2019s <em>nothing<\/em> I want for them more than to know Christ, so that led to this passion. It kind of coincided\/dove-tailed with the gifts and the experiences that the Lord had already given me.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> As a youth pastor and as a teacher, did you see things in the kids you were mentoring\u2014like: \u201cOkay, I don\u2019t want to do that,\u201d [Laughter] \u201cI definitely want to do that,\u201d\u2014I mean, you saw families from\u2014\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Oh, for sure!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014as they were bringing them to your church. What were the things that made you think: \u201cOkay; I <em>can\u2019t<\/em> do that,\u201d \u201cI can do this\u201d? Anything jump off the page?\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes! A great example would be Jen Wilkin, who wrote the forward for this book, who now writes\u2014like people know Jen.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t know Jen. I met her son when he was a freshman in high school, and I was mentoring him and discipling him. His mom hadn\u2019t written any books yet; but when you met Matt\u2014Matt Wilkin, her oldest son\u2014you thought, \u201cMan! This is a godly young man. He\u2019s been parented in a godly way and been discipled.\u201d And then, once you meet his parents, you\u2019re like, \u201cOf course; these people have been <em>so intentional<\/em> in raising him to follow the Lord.\u201d\n\nBut then, I would also meet kids, whose parents did <em>not<\/em> know the Lord\u2014who would come to church on their own or even against their parents\u2019 wishes\u2014who had come to the Lord. You look at the disadvantage they had\u2014where they didn\u2019t have a parent, who was leading them\u2014but they now met this God. What is it going to look like for the church to step in alongside <em>that<\/em> kid and disciple them?\n\nBoth of those experiences helped me shape what I <em>hope<\/em> for my kids\/what I <em>pray<\/em> for my kids, learning from other parents, as well as knowing my God is bigger than any of my shortfalls, as a parent; and praying through those things as well.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So what would you say is the <em>calling<\/em> of a parent? I\u2019m saying it because, you know, when we became parents\u2014just like everybody in this room\u2014you <em>feel<\/em> this!\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I can remember bringing our firstborn, CJ\u2014who\u2019s 34 now?\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014putting him in the crib after coming home from the hospital, and just standing there, looking down. I\u2019m guessing a lot of moms and dads have this <em>same<\/em> experience, going, \u201cI feel <em>such <\/em>a responsibility!\u201d You know, number one: \u201cI didn\u2019t have a dad; now I\u2019m a dad.\u201d But I\u2019m looking down at [him] like with almost <em>fear<\/em> and reverence: \u201cI have a responsibility! Am I equipped to do it? What am I supposed to do?\u201d\n\nTalk about that; there\u2019s a <em>calling<\/em> that a mom and dad have\u2014as you obviously have in your title: <em>Family Discipleship<\/em>\u2014but what\u2019s the calling?\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s been the driving force behind even writing the book at all. I felt like, when you get engaged, there are a <em>thousand<\/em> books you could read on engagement and on \u201cAre you ready to be married?\u201d Once you\u2019re married, there are a <em>thousand<\/em> books on marriage; and they\u2019re really, really good.\n\nThen, when it comes to parenting books, there are a lot of books that help with some of those stresses about making sleep choices for baby, and making parenting choices for discipline, and parenting in a Christian manner\u2014there are a lot of books like that out there\u2014but I had trouble finding something that went: \u201cHow am I going to be equipped to <em>lead<\/em> my home spiritually?\u201d\u2014like\u2014\u201cHow am I going to take on\u2026\u201d\n\nWhen you read the Bible, it\u2019s not all about discipline; and it\u2019s not all about birth order; it\u2019s not all about, you know, sleep choices. But a lot of it is about: \u201cHey, tell this to your kids: what the Lord has done in your life; communicate to your kids what the Lord has done in the life of God\u2019s people.\u201d\n\nThe call, like you\u2019re saying: the literal call\/the vocation of every parent is to be a spiritual leader in their home. I felt like there was an opportunity for <em>us<\/em> to say, \u201cHey, this is some helpful language we use\/some helpful ways to think about it to help you take kind of the mystery [away] and demystify the idea of: \u2018What does it mean to be a spiritual leader in my home?\u2019\u2014and help it become something ordinary and accessible, since this is the general call of <em>every<\/em> Christian parent.\u201d\n\nIt\u2019s <em>not<\/em> just about having a well-behaved kid nor is it this shameful thing of having a misbehaving kid or a kid who rejects the Lord. Our theology has room for all of those versions; including imperfect, discouraged, worn-out, exhausted moms and dads. How do we help them see the call to lead their family spiritually, without saying, \u201cHey, here\u2019s another thing you\u2019re not doing well\u201d?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And some parents are feeling so overwhelmed!\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> They don\u2019t come from a spiritual or Christian background, so they have <em>no<\/em> idea\u2014like, \u201cWhat do I do?\u201d I think I\u2019m just speaking for\/because I talk with a lot of women; they\u2019re thinking: \u201cI want to do this, but my husband\u2019s not onboard\u201d; you know? But you\u2019re saying it\u2019s a <em>call<\/em>\u2014\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014that God has <em>assigned<\/em> us this task.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes, you\u2019re right; it is a <em>legitimate<\/em> problem\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> \u2014that some of us have never been discipled. We don\u2019t find, in the Scripture, that to be a legitimate excuse <em>not to <\/em>disciple our kids; right? In the book, we\u2019ve made provisions for that, too, understanding that every family\u2019s different: some of them are single parents; some of them are, spiritually, single parents, saying, \u201cMy husband\/or my wife doesn\u2019t believe the same thing, so how can I spiritually lead this home?\u201d Some of our kids have disabilities, or there are blended families.\n\nIt\u2019s like, \u201cHow can we, in this modern era, think about family in a way that\u2019s going to demystify all the stuff that\u2019s so discouraging; all the stuff that\u2019s so exhausting; all the stuff that leads to comparison, and judgment, and shame, and self-harassment in that?\u201d\u2014because it is such a significant deal\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cbut at the same time not minimize how important this is?\u201d\u2014like it is a <em>big <\/em>deal; the Lord has entrusted to us a human life and asked us to raise them to know Him.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think\u2014like that day I\u2019m standing there, looking at CJ as a newborn\u2014I don\u2019t think I had in my head, yet, Matthew 28\/the Great Commission\u2014Jesus said, \u201cGo, therefore, and make disciples.\u201d\n\nI had that as a pastor: \u201cI\u2019m supposed to go out\/outside my home and make disciples of the men and women in our church.\u201d But that\u2019s a call\u2014I mean, the most important disciple a dad or mom will try to pour into is their own sons and daughters; right?\u2014that\u2019s the <em>call<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s right in front of you. The Great Commission and the great commandment is: to love God and to love your neighbor; to make disciples everywhere\u2014it starts in your own home.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> But it\u2019s easier, sometimes, out there. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Sometimes, yes! Sometimes, it\u2019s easier to say, \u201cAt the end of this appointment, you\u2019re going to go home!\u201d Whereas with your kids, it\u2019s like, \u201cWe\u2019re going to be together\u2014you\u2019re going nowhere; I\u2019m going nowhere.\u201d\n\nBut that\u2019s why the family dynamic both lends itself to helping our kids understand: \u201cHow can an imperfect person follow a perfect God?\u201d\u2014<em>not<\/em>\u2014\u201cHow can my kids get more perfect parents?\u201d which is kind of what we trick ourselves into thinking: \u201cOkay; family discipleship must be about me being perfect around my kids.\u201d No! It\u2019s about helping your kid understand <em>you\u2019re<\/em> not perfect; <em>you <\/em>need to repent; you need a perfect God; you rely on the gospel!\n\n\u201cHow do you help your kids see <em>that<\/em> version of you?\u201d\u2014not\u2014\u201cHow can you do this in a way\u201d\u2014like you talked about in that intro, Bob, where kids are sitting down, folding their hands, and their faces are glowing, listening to everything you\u2019re saying\u201d\u2014no! \u201cHow does an imperfect family follow a perfect God?\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I wish I\u2019d had somebody giving me that mentoring, early on; because I didn\u2019t grow up with an experience of any kind of family discipleship. I was starting cold. I thought: \u201cMy job is to model what this looks like, and let you see it in all its glory, and never let you see it in any of its brokenness; because if you think, \u2018Mom and Dad can\u2019t do it,\u2019 maybe you\u2019ll go, \u2018Well, maybe, nobody can do it!\u2019\u201d\n\nWhat I didn\u2019t recognize is\u2014I was <em>not<\/em> discipling my kids to know how to deal with their own failures. So part of the message they were getting was: \u201cWell, Mom and Dad seem to have this all worked out. I don\u2019t; I make mistakes; Mom and Dad don\u2019t. I guess there\u2019s something different about Mom and Dad than me.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> <em>That<\/em> didn\u2019t happen in our house! [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cOur kids knew that I messed up\u201d; right? I mean, it\u2019s not that I was always perfect in front of them.\n\nBut I remember a guest we had on <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>years ago, who said, \u201cMost Christian parents are teaching their kids how to avoid sin and how to conceal sin,\u201d\u2014so\u2014\u201cStay away from this; don\u2019t do it. If you do, you\u2019ll get in trouble,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s the message\u2014so kids do stuff, and they think, \u201cI\u2019m going to get in trouble if they find out, so I\u2019ve got to conceal it!\u201d\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> \u201cGot to hide it\u201d; yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> He said, \u201cWe\u2019ve got to teach our kids how to confess and repent.\u201d\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> He said, \u201cThe way you teach your kids how to confess and repent is you confess and repent in front of them\u2014\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Amen! Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cso that they can see, \u2018Oh! That\u2019s what it looks like.\u2019\u201d\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\nOne of the aspects we talk about in this book is\u2014not just scheduling family devotions\u2014it\u2019s being a legit believer around your kids and inviting them into that\u2014saying, \u201cHey, this is where Dad made a mistake, and I need you to forgive me.\u201d Or when they make a mistake, pointing out, \u201cHey, Dad has done the same thing a million times. Isn\u2019t it good that our God is forgiving?\u2014that He can forgive us fully, freely, and forever. He can say both, \u2018Neither do I condemn you,\u2019 <em>and<\/em> \u2018Go and sin no more.\u2019 We can operate out of that great trust in Him.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> In a sense, that\u2019s how you make disciples; right?\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Because, I mean, we were joking on that <em>Art of Parenting <\/em>clip; but there was a real tension in our home, when the boys were really little, with Ann really wanting a family altar\u2014she called it that!\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I <em>did not <\/em>call that the \u201cfamily altar\u201d! [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, you did; that\u2019s what I remember!\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I said, \u201cLet\u2019s have family devotions, like Barbara and Dennis Rainey.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s what she said! [Laughter] We didn\u2019t know what they had, but we had this image that they sat [around] the fireplace. I\u2019m not kidding!\u2014this was it! We, actually\u2014because I was like, \u201cI didn\u2019t have this; I didn\u2019t grow up in a Christian home,\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t either; I didn\u2019t know.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cso how do we do this?\u201d She actually convinced me, \u201cWhy don\u2019t you just take the sermon you preached on Sunday morning and give a mini-version of it on Sunday night?\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I <em>still <\/em>like that idea!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, my goodness!\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> It\u2019s not a bad idea!\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> See?!\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> That works! [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I mean, I thought, \u201cWhy would I care more about the people on Sunday morning than about my own household?\u201d so we did it. I can see it right now\u2014there around the fireplace with the boys\u2014what were they?\u2014four, five, six, seven years old. It was like boogers, and hitting each other, and running around. I got so frustrated; I thought it was going to be like Ann: a little halo above my head\/soft-playing music. [Laughter] You know, I didn\u2019t realize in that\u2014and we tried it a couple of times\u2014it\u2019s like, \u201cThat\u2019s what\u2019s going to happen. They\u2019re little boys! You\u2019re not going to have them strapped in a seatbelt, listening to this quiet little thing.\u201d\n\nWe learned\u2014or maybe I learned\u2014\u201cIt\u2019s going to look different; it\u2019s not going to look like that. We are still called to make disciples. Figure out a different strategy.\u201d I threw away the sermon thing. I think what ended up happening is\u2014it was an overflow of Dad\u2019s life\u2014like you just said earlier. It was like: \u201cWhat did God say to you today?\u201d \u201cWhat did you struggle with today? How did God meet you today?\u201d \u201cWhat are you praying right now?\u201d\u2014grab a moment and emote that.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> You think about: \u201cWhat you would want if you were being discipled?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> \u201cWhat would you ask for\/would you say, \u2018What I really need is somebody just to sit me down on a fireplace, make me sit absolutely still, and talk at me for an hour\u2019? [Laughter] No; we would say, \u2018I want somebody to invest in my life!\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> \u2014\u201c\u2019to think about what is happening with me; to really look me in the eye and be present\u2014not be on their phone; not be moving about; not just say, \u2018Well, I\u2019m sure they\u2019re picking up enough as we go.\u2019\u201d No; you would want somebody to really show that they really cared. That\u2019s the opportunity we have in our own home.\n\nSometimes, for some families, that\u2019s going to look like, \u201cSit down; we\u2019ve got a lesson we\u2019re going to walk through.\u201d And for some families, it\u2019s going to look like, \u201cI just want to ask you a bunch of questions about where you\u2019re at\/how you\u2019re doing. I just want to pray for you.\u201d At different stages, it can change for each family and for each kid. If we start to prioritize our plans over the people the Lord has put in our house, that is going to be frustrating.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> But if we look at the people the Lord gave us, and come up with a plan based on that, then I think there\u2019s going to be some fruit from that.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, I think the thing we realized, too, was bedtime was ideal for little kids; because they don\u2019t want to go to sleep.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes!\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And they\u2019re willing to talk about <em>anything<\/em> and <em>everything<\/em> at that point!\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Amen.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Is that what you have found?\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Absolutely right! Yes; family discipleship time for us can extend <em>far <\/em>into the night. My kids, right now, are asking really deep questions. Part of it, I know, is they\u2019re trying to avoid maybe bedtime some of the time.\n\nBut I think we\u2019ll be surprised\u2014and I hear this from parents all the time\u2014you\u2019ll be surprised at what your kids picked up, what they remember, what they keyed in on when you thought they were just running around the house and smashing things. It might have been that moment that the Lord used to convict their heart, or that they heard something, or that it really clicked for them. That\u2019s the way the Holy Spirit works!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; and I\u2019ll add this\u2014in the teenage years, bedtime was critical too. I mean, you don\u2019t do it the same way\u2014you\u2019re not lying on the bed and rolling around in it\u2014you might be lying on the floor. But there\u2019s that moment at 9\/10 o\u2019clock at night, when homework\u2019s done, and they\u2019re getting ready; right, Ann?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, yes!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> There are still moments there. They\u2019re men now\/or women, almost\u2014\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014you know, as 13-, 14-, 16-, 17-year-olds. But man!\u2014if I laid on the floor and said: \u2018Boy, I struggled with this today,\u201d\u2014\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cGod met me here,\u201d\u2014there were conversations that were sort of beautiful\u2014that I had a tendency to say, \u201cHey, man! Good night\u201d\u2014\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014walked out of the room. And now, as a grandparent\u2014like, \u201cMan, you\u2019re going to blink, and they\u2019re going to be gone; so seize those moments to help make disciples.\u201d\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s exactly what we\u2019re talking about in the book\u2014is saying: \u201cWhat are the cross points your family already has?\u201d You guys are already together!\u2014so how do you leverage that opportunity for the gospel? If you\u2019re driving them home from football practice, you\u2019re not <em>just <\/em>going to talk about the game; you\u2019re going to talk, maybe, about a Proverb based on what they said. It doesn\u2019t have to be scheduled and prepared. You\u2019re just thinking about, \u201cHow can I try to help this kid understand my relationship with the Lord and my desire for him to have one?\u201d\n\nWhether it\u2019s putting your kids to bed at night when they\u2019re teenagers\u2014or it might be when they get busted in the concealed sin that you talked about, Bob\u2014and talking about what grace the Lord has for us, we\u2019ll see the reality of the Scripture when our sin causes devastation. Every parent is going to have that moment, where they get the opportunity to be the one who demonstrates grace to their kids\u2014that I can still love you, even now.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> And we have the opportunity in that, because we\u2019ve seen the Lord do that for <em>us<\/em>. All of us have personally experienced that if we know the Lord.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There is a word that just keeps coming back, over and over again, anytime we talk about this subject that I think is the key word. The word is \u201cintentionality.\u201d\n\n<strong>Adam:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s moms and dads, who are <em>purposeful<\/em> with this as an objective.\n\nIf you say, \u201cOh, I\u2019ll do that when the moment is right,\u201d\u2014well, that\u2019s a good approach\u2014but you have to be intentional to be looking for those right moments. You can\u2019t just hope it\u2019s going to kind of naturally emerge. You have to be thinking when and how\u2014and \u201cThis is important; do I have opportunities during the day?\u201d\u2014looking to seize those moments for spiritual deposits in the lives of your kids.\n\nWhat you\u2019ve done for us with the book, <em>Family Discipleship<\/em>,is to help us think through\u2014and I like these categories: the times, the moments, and the milestones\u2014and how we can be intentional with all of that. In fact, we want to make your book available to any <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>listener, who would like to get a copy. 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