{"id":306510,"date":"2020-10-30T07:00:04","date_gmt":"2020-10-30T11:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/as-a-man-thinketh\/"},"modified":"2020-10-30T07:00:04","modified_gmt":"2020-10-30T11:00:04","slug":"as-a-man-thinketh","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/as-a-man-thinketh\/","title":{"rendered":"As a Man Thinketh&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>David Murray points to King David&#8217;s conflicting emotions in the Psalms and shows us the link between our mind and our emotions.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/mp3.familylife.com\/fl2020-10-30.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:32:35","filesize":"29.84M","filesize_raw":"31289224","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2873,2855],"tags":[6961],"podcast_series":[8404],"cwp_profile":[9667],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-306510","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-mental-and-emotional-issues","category-teens","tag-raising-a-teenager","podcast_series-why-is-my-teenager-feeling-like-this","cwp_profile-david-murray","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/306510\/as-a-man-thinketh","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/306510\/as-a-man-thinketh","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"Ecfn0DqKEq\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/as-a-man-thinketh\/\">As a Man Thinketh&#8230;<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/as-a-man-thinketh\/embed\/#?secret=Ecfn0DqKEq\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;As a Man Thinketh&#8230;&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"Ecfn0DqKEq\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You\u2019ll find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. If you have a child, who is battling depression or anxiety, it\u2019s a tough battle; but there can be a good outcome. We\u2019ll talk about that today with David Murray. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. Anxiety or depression ever been an issue for either of you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Not that I\u2019m aware of.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re shaking your head like, \u201cNo, that\u2019s\u2026\u201d I mean, you have down days, but not depression at a level that has taken you out for any season; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think so.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> No, I honestly\u2014I\u2019m one of those guys that has rarely struggled at all. I remember one time, early in the \u201890\u2019s, when we just started our church\u2014that\u2019s back in the day where you would do drama skits\/sketches sometimes\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014I don\u2019t remember what the sermon was that day; but I was sitting with Steve, our co-founder. The drama had something to do with a person who couldn\u2019t get out of bed; they were just really in a dark place. Steve has dealt with this. He turns to me and he goes, \u201cHey Dave, one time in your life have you ever\u2014one day in your life\u2014not been able to get out of bed?\u201d I go, \u201cNope; never had a moment like that.\u201d He goes, \u201cYes; that\u2019s why I\u2019m giving the sermon today and not you.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It was about the quagmire\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014about Scripture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It was just that\u2014I was in my early 30s and never experienced that. That\u2019s it\u2014right or wrong.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m in my 60s, and I have experienced it\u2014not to a point I couldn\u2019t get out of bed\u2014but I understand when people say they\u2019re in the pit; it\u2019s <em>real<\/em>. That\u2019s why we need to talk about this, especially as parents with our teens; this is a real deal.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Have you struggled, Bob?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I haven\u2019t.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid Murray is joining us this week to help us with this. David, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We need a counselor. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; David is a pastor; he has taught counselling\u2014taught at the seminary level\u2014Puritan Seminary. He and his wife are the parents of five kids, live in western Michigan. He\u2019s just written a couple of very helpful books: one for teens called <em>Why Am I Feeling this Way?<\/em> And another for parents, <em>Why Are My Teenagers Feeling this Way?<\/em>, to deal with depression and anxiety.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAre some people, David, just temperamentally more inclined\/more melancholy and other people are just going to be optimistic and positive; and that\u2019s just how God made them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> You would say that the caricature\u2014as melancholy people\/as the \u201cEeyores\u201d\u2014that get depression; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I call that a caricature because, actually, the majority of people I have helped with depression are more like Dave\u2014[Laughter]\u2014Type A: high-achiever, and high-energetic, optimistic\u2014but what happens is, as they get older, they\u2019re still trying to keep up these labels of expectations and performance; but the body and the brain is saying, \u201cNo! I\u2019m not going there; I\u2019m sorry!\u201d Of course, you\u2019re also accumulating more and more responsibility as you get older, usually.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Eventually, when these limitations are not recognized\u2014even by the most hyper Type A types\u2014they will crash as well. I like to try and smash the caricature a wee bit so that the Type A\u2019s don\u2019t think, \u201cEh! Never going to happen to me.\u201d You ought to be cautious.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Now, with teenagers, who are still in the early stages of development\u2014and that\u2019s where you book is focused\u2014this is not about your body not being able to respond; I mean, you\u2019re kind of at the peak. For <em>them<\/em>, there\u2019s a lot of environmental pressure; there\u2019s a lot of figuring out who they are; there are spiritual issues they\u2019re wrestling with; there may be biological issues kicking in. We\u2019ve talked about those things this week. Help us think through this in terms of what the Bible has to say.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe verse that comes to mind for me immediately is David in the Psalms, recognizing that his own soul is downcast. He speaks to his soul and kind of corrects himself. I think you can read a passage like that from Psalm\u2014what is that?\u2014Psalm 42; do you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> A lot of them are like that; aren\u2019t they? Yes; 42 for sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right; he says, \u201cWhy so downcast oh my soul? Put your hope in God.\u201d I think a lot of us think, \u201cWell, that\u2019s what you\u2019re supposed to do if your soul is downcast: you just put your hope in God and move on.\u201d It\u2019s <em>not<\/em> that simple for a lot of people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> It\u2019s <em>not<\/em> that simple; and although you can read the Psalm in a minute, I believe these Psalms are often describing a long-term period in a summary form. It\u2019s a battle; it\u2019s rarely that easy. Sure, if you\u2019ve just hit a little knock; yes, push yourself up again with the Word. But often, it\u2019s more than a little knock; often, it\u2019s a series of massive knocks. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you think of teens as well\u2014although they\u2019re not aging, in a sense, like a 40-year-old is\u2014their body is changing hugely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> They have identity issues; they have relational issues\u2014mega\u2014much more than we do. Different ages are different challenges; it doesn\u2019t matter what age you are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019re right, Bob\u2014the Word of God has got to be a component of our therapy as it were. I often take people to Psalm 77. There you\u2019ve got Asaph, the psalmist, who in the first nine verses, he talks about trouble\/terrible trouble he is in\u2014doesn\u2019t name it\/doesn\u2019t specify it\u2014which I think helps because we can all fit in. Then he talks about these terrible feelings: he\u2019s cast down; he\u2019s anxious; he\u2019s crying; he\u2019s weeping; he can\u2019t sleep; he can\u2019t eat; and then he talks about his thoughts.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTerrible trouble, fearful feelings, and his thoughts of God are awful. He\u2019s actually putting question marks over God\u2019s character: \u201cIs God real? Is God going to keep His promises? Is God true? Is God faithful?\u201d No wonder he\u2019s in the depths; right? What has happened here is he\u2019s let his feelings control his thoughts. Yes, it\u2019s a terrible event; but his feelings are now dictating his theology. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHalfway through that Psalm he says, \u201cSelah\u201d: \u201cPause\/enough of this. Let\u2019s get our act together,\u201d as it were. Hearing the words, he says, \u201cAnd I will appeal. I will remember; I will remember. I will ponder; I will meditate.\u201d What\u2019s he doing here? He\u2019s saying, \u201cI\u2019ve got to get my thoughts primary here. I\u2019ve got to get my thoughts in charge. No longer are feelings going to be in the driving seat, but my thoughts are.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd what is he thinking of?\u2014what is he pointing\/what is he meditating on?\u2014it\u2019s God: God\u2019s Word, God\u2019s ways, God\u2019s works. What happens in the rest of the psalm is\u2014he actually doesn\u2019t mention his feelings again\u2014which is interesting\u2014they\u2019ve kind of shrunk. But the whole tone of this psalm communicates feelings of confidence, and hope, and joy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there\u2019s a beautiful therapy here\u2014actually, a lot of people will call it cognitive behavioral therapy in a way\u2014but God invented that long before we invented <em>that<\/em>. [Laughter] Because here he\u2019s basically saying, \u201cDon\u2019t let your feelings control your thoughts; let your thoughts control your feelings.\u201d The trouble is still there\u2014right?\u2014but his thoughts and, therefore, his feelings are completely different. This is a wonderful pattern for us that God has given us to follow that can help us in multiple situations. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI often speak of emotions as like an elephant. When an elephant moves, he can do a lot of damage. We need to get a rider\/we need to get somebody in the saddle of that elephant to keep it under control; that\u2019s what I call biblical reasoning. That\u2019s what the psalmist does here\u2014basically, puts biblical reasoning on the saddle of his elephant-like emotions\u2014it tames them; and it controls them; and it redirects them into a much more positive and hope-filled way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It is interesting that you go back to that Psalm. It\u2019s hard, sometimes, to get your thinking\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014in the right place\u2014and you can see it in his psalm. He starts out saying, \u201cI cried out to God for help. I cried out to God to hear me, and I would not be comforted.\u201d Then down in verse 7\u2014I\u2019m thinking so many of us experienced this\u2014\u201cWill the Lord reject forever? Will He never show His favor again? Has His unfailing love vanished forever? Has His promise failed for all time? Has God forgotten to be merciful? Has He, in anger, withheld His compassion?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you\u2019re in that state of anxiety, or all the way to depression, you can\u2019t answer that: \u201cYes\u201d; you\u2019re just like, \u201cI\u2019m\/I\u2019m hopeless.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You get to the point, where your feelings <em>do<\/em> dominate; and you\u2019re like, \u201cI don\u2019t want them to! I <em>know<\/em> what\u2019s right. I can\u2019t get my\/my brain to override my feelings.\u201d Is that true? <em>How<\/em> do we get there?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; well, I think what\u2019s significant here is that\u2014it\u2019s not in this translation of the Bible\u2014but verse 10 is often translated as, \u201cThis is my infirmity,\u201d or \u201cThis is my weakness.\u201d I think that\u2019s the first thing to recognize: \u201cOkay; I\u2019m thinking like this, but it\u2019s not the right way to think. This is wrong; this is weakness.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the second thing is \u201cSelah.\u201d [Sighs loudly] A stall, silence, stillness\u2014that\u2019s the challenge\u2014that we want to get to the second part of Psalm 77 without taking the silence\/without taking the time out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think this stuff is <em>huge<\/em>, because it\u2019s really this battle going on in our mind. In Scripture, it talks about taking our thoughts captive. I remember I was in my 20s the first time\u2014I can\u2019t remember the book I was reading\u2014but it basically asked: \u201cWhat do you think about yourself in your mind? What is your self-talk?\u201d It was the first time I thought, \u201cOh, I\u2019ve never thought about that.\u201d When I replayed in my mind what was going on and on\u2014all negative\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cYou\u2019re ugly,\u201d \u201cYou ate too much,\u201d \u201cYou\u2019re not doing a good job at this,\u201d\u2014it was all negative. As a Type A, I thought, \u201cWell, that\u2019s motivating\u201d; but what it is\u2014it was <em>destroying<\/em> me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you think about taking a thought captive, I always picture captivity as being a cage. I think of a zoo and animals in the zoo. I thought, \u201cI didn\u2019t have any cage. My thoughts were running wild in my head, and I didn\u2019t take control at all.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven to ask that question to our teens, \u201cWhat are you thinking about yourself in your head? What is your self-talk about yourself?\u201d That question alone can bring a lot of insight into what\u2019s going on in our kids\u2019 heads. Have you asked that question?\u2014have you seen\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Oh, yes. Yes; definitely: \u201cWhat\u2019s your story? What story are you telling yourself?\u201d \u201cWhat story are you writing? What chapter is in your story today?\u2014you know, if you were to write out your day.\u201d<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I actually used to do that with my wife. I would come home\u2014this was when I was in my more sane\/sympathetic mode\u2014[Laughter]\u2014she would be in tears and crying; and \u201cI feel useless,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m a terrible mother.\u201d \u201cOkay; let\u2019s sit down. How many washes did you put on today?\u201d \u201cWell, 25.\u201d \u201cHow many diapers did you change today?\u201d \u201cWell, maybe a hundred.\u201d [Laughter] \u201cDid you phone anyone?\u201d \u201cWell, I phoned this widow,\u201d and \u201cI phoned this sick person.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re kind of just bringing\u2014not just truths from God\u2019s Word\u2014but truth from God\u2019s world: objective <em>facts<\/em> that, eventually, when the evidence mounts up, <em>will<\/em> change the feelings: \u201cOkay; so maybe I\u2019m <em>not<\/em> so useless,\u201d \u201cMaybe, I\u2019m <em>not<\/em> so bad.\u201d We\u2019re trying to really rub out\/erase a false story, and rewrite it with truth and facts. We\u2019re not doing self-hypnosis, you know, deluding yourselves; we\u2019re bringing truth from God\u2019s Word and God\u2019s world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> How do we help counsel our kids\u2019 souls?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; our senior daughter comes home from school. She\u2019s crying, and she\u2019s weeping; and something terrible has happened\u2014somebody\u2019s posted something or she\u2019s received something by text\u2014so a terrible event has happened, just like in \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPsalm 77. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat\u2019s the next step?\u2014ask how you\u2019re feeling: \u201cHow did that make you feel?\u201d \u201cDid you feel this\u2026\u201c\u2014if they\u2019re not answering, put some words out to latch onto so they can name their feelings. It\u2019s very important to actually\u2014just name the feeling\u2014and get out of themselves and to a more external form. Then, \u201cOkay; you\u2019re feeling that. What did that make you think?\u201d \u201cWell, it made me think I was worthless,\u201d \u201cIt made me think nobody likes me,\u201d \u201cMade me think this\u2026\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat we\u2019re doing there, with our kids, is we\u2019re saying, \u201cOkay; terrible things happen all the time, and we\u2019re going to feel terrible,\u201d and \u201cIt\u2019s okay.\u201d We mustn\u2019t squash these feelings\u2014we\u2019ve got to let them out\/got to let them be expressed. We\u2019ve got to identify how that affects the way we think. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven in that, you\u2019ve given your kids a really helpful tool of self-understanding: a terrible event; terrible feelings\/terrible thoughts. Now, \u201cHow do we put that right? Is there something else that we can look at here?\u2014what else happened in the day? Anything good actually can come out of this?\u201d You begin to try to get facts and truths and <em>add<\/em> some evidence to this life that will help them, again, move their feelings. You\u2019re not denying the event; you\u2019re not denying the feelings; you\u2019re not denying the thoughts; but you\u2019re now using it to say, \u201cOkay; let\u2019s move forward. Let\u2019s <em>change<\/em> these feelings by changing our <em>thoughts<\/em> about what happened.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Is the Book of Psalms the place for depressed people and anxious people to go and live?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes, partly; I mean, I love Philippians as well. I think Philippians has got some <em>great<\/em> truths there: \u201cWhatsoever things are good and pure and lovely, of good report, think on these things and the peace of God which passes all understanding will fill your heart and mind.\u201d But what the Psalms do\u2014is it gives us permission to take the most ugly, horrible feelings and thoughts and put them on the table and say, \u201cThat\u2019s me, and this is okay.\u201d In fact, it\u2019s worship as long as we go forward with them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What about Matthew 6\u2014is that a place for us to turn? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I love Matthew 6! It\u2019s one of my favorite passages. What I love about it is it\u2019s imagery. Now, we know teens\u2014words have some impact; images have <em>massive<\/em> impact. It\u2019s interesting here that Jesus, when He addresses anxiety, that\u2019s where He goes\u2014He goes to images\u2014images as a problem and images as a solution. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat are the image problems? Well, He says, \u201cDon\u2019t be anxious about your life; what you\u2019ll eat; what you\u2019ll drink; your body, what you\u2019ll put on.\u201d He\u2019s really saying, \u201cWhat\u2019s the movie?\u2014what are the images going on in your mind?\u201d Now, today, it\u2019s not food, drink and clothing as a matter of survival, as it was in these days; it\u2019s food, drink and clothing as a matter of <em>approval<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014it\u2019s about performance. It\u2019s a kind of difference, but it\u2019s the same end result\u2014anxiety. This is like going on in our kids\u2019 minds: \u201cWhat is <em>Instagram<\/em>?\u201d\u2014but\u2014\u201cWhat shall I eat?\u201d \u201cWhat shall I drink?\u201d \u201cWhat shall I put on?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat does He do? He doesn\u2019t just say, \u201cStop that!\u201d\u2014you can\u2019t stop a film without replacing it\u2014so what does He do? Well, He first of all gives us natural images\/images from nature. He says, \u201cLook at the birds.\u201d The word, \u201clook,\u201d is: \u201cstudy, examine, linger.\u201d Then He says, \u201cNow look at the flowers of the field.\u201d He\u2019s not limiting us to birds and flowers; He\u2019s saying, \u201cGet outside!\u201d\u2014[Laughter]\u2014you know? \u201cTake in My beauty through your eyes, through your ears, through your nose, through touch. Just let new images come in and, like these natural images, lead you to <em>supernatural<\/em> images\u201d; because He goes from these natural images to images of God as Father and as King, two beautiful images\/very graphic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to take really bad images out of our mind\/out of our kids\u2019 minds. God\u2019s beauty is incredible therapeutic: it brings you to worship; it brings you to trust; and makes you think, \u201cIf God is looking after these animals and these landscapes in the midst of so many challenges, is He not going to look after me, His child?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019d love for you to talk to the parent, who\u2019s been struggling for years with their child\/with their teen\u2014they\u2019re on years now. I\u2019d love for you to talk to them\/to encourage them; and then I\u2019d love for you to pray for these parents, who are really struggling. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Sure, Ann. I think the first thing I would say to the parents is: \u201cHave hope.\u201d There are 18 little stories in my book of teens\u2014all of whom, to one degree or another, are either managing their anxiety and depression better or being healed from it\u2014they are using the means God has provided.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> So there <em>is<\/em> hope.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> There is hope! Don\u2019t rule out <em>anything<\/em>: read the book; see all the remedies; don\u2019t limit yourself. Get your teen to read it to give <em>them<\/em> hope, because this is one of the great challenges; isn\u2019t it? Depression, especially, is a disease that disintegrates hope; so if we can give hope again, that\u2019s a huge step forward. We use the means\u201499.9 percent of the time\u2014God will bring us to a level of healing. I\u2019m not saying full healing\u2014that may not be God\u2019s plan\u2014but certainly a degree of healing that will allow functioning, and living, and loving again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would also say to them, \u201cHave hope that this won\u2019t just heal your child; it will make your child better than he would have been\/she would have been apart from this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I\u2019ve seen\u2014just again, and again, and again\u2014I\u2019ve seen\/I would say, in every case, teens maturing beyond their years\u2014ultimately, becoming the most useful, members of God\u2019s kingdom and of human society because they\u2019ve been given a dimension of self-understanding, and of sympathy with others, and of God\u2019s Word that few people have. This creates <em>deep<\/em> people, who can help people with deep problems.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Pray for parents, will you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGreat God of hope\/great God of joy, we know that, when we look to You, we look to the God who can give joy and can give peace. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, Lord, the listeners, who are listening to this today, who have little joy and little peace, or whose loved ones are in the darkness. We pray that You would encourage them, that You would lift them up, that You would help them to find that hope in You and Your provision\u2014physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually, relationally\u2014You have provided abundantly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp, Lord. Bring resources, bring people, bring professionals, bring Christians into this situation. Put together a healing team that will address this problem in a holistic way and, ultimately, bring the child and the parents through this\u2014not just back to where they were\u2014but gold. In Jesus\u2019 name we pray. Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> David, you\u2019ve given a lot of parents a lot of fresh hope by pointing us to the God of hope. Thank you for the books; thanks for being here and for the conversation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Thanks Bob, Dave and Ann. Thank you so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The books David has written\u2014one for teenagers called<em> Why Am I Feeling Like This?:<\/em> <em>A Teens Guide to Freedom from Anxiety and Depression<\/em>\u2014and then a book for parents called <em>Why Is My Teenager Feeling Like This?: A Guide for Helping Teens Through Anxiety and Depression<\/em>. Both books are available in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order them from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to order: 1-800-FL-TODAY is the number. Again, for either or both of David Murray\u2019s books on anxiety and depression, go to FamilyLifeToday.com to place an order or call us at 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, one of the great sources of encouragement for us, here at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, is when we hear from listeners whose lives have been significantly impacted by <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. I\u2019ve got a drawer full of letters, e-mails, notes that I\u2019ve kept over the years from those of you, who\u2019ve gotten in touch with us to tell us how God has used this ministry in your life. They are a great joy and a great source of encouragement for us. We do what we do here, at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, hoping and praying that God will, in fact, use it to connect with people at the right time and the right circumstance and to point you back to Jesus, back to the Scriptures, back to the hope that we find in the gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re also greatly encouraged when a <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listener contacts us to say, \u201cI want to support the work you\u2019re doing. I want to see it extend; I want to see it continue. I want to see more people impacted by what <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is doing every day.\u201d Those of you who go online or call us to make a donation\u2014that is a great encouragement to us. In fact, if you\u2019re able to help with a donation today, we\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d back to you by sending you a copy of a devotional book written by Dale Kreienkamp that is designed for people, who are unemployed. I think all of us know people in 2020 who had lost a job, either because of COVID or because of other circumstances. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you make a donation, we\u2019ll send you a copy of this devotional book that you can then pass along to someone you know, who is in this circumstance. It\u2019s a great way for you to reach out and have an impact in somebody else\u2019s life. Request your copy of the book when you make an online donation to support the work of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to donate, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. Thanks for the encouragement; thanks for connecting with us. We always enjoy hearing from you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you have a great weekend. I hope you and your family are able to gather together, in one form or another, with your local church this weekend for worship. And I hope you can be with us on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk about how families can proactively encourage and equip one another in our faith: \u201cHow can we disciple one another?\u201d \u201cWhat kinds of patterns and rhythms can we have in our families that would be effective to promote spiritual growth?\u201d Adam Griffin is going to join us to talk about that, and I hope you can join us as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Have a great weekend. We will see you Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. 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Murray points to King David's conflicting emotions in the Psalms and shows us the link between our mind and our emotions.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2020-10-30.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, October 30<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You\u2019ll find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. If you have a child, who is battling depression or anxiety, it\u2019s a tough battle; but there can be a good outcome. We\u2019ll talk about that today with David Murray. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. Anxiety or depression ever been an issue for either of you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Not that I\u2019m aware of.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re shaking your head like, \u201cNo, that\u2019s\u2026\u201d I mean, you have down days, but not depression at a level that has taken you out for any season; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think so.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> No, I honestly\u2014I\u2019m one of those guys that has rarely struggled at all. I remember one time, early in the \u201890\u2019s, when we just started our church\u2014that\u2019s back in the day where you would do drama skits\/sketches sometimes\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014I don\u2019t remember what the sermon was that day; but I was sitting with Steve, our co-founder. The drama had something to do with a person who couldn\u2019t get out of bed; they were just really in a dark place. Steve has dealt with this. He turns to me and he goes, \u201cHey Dave, one time in your life have you ever\u2014one day in your life\u2014not been able to get out of bed?\u201d I go, \u201cNope; never had a moment like that.\u201d He goes, \u201cYes; that\u2019s why I\u2019m giving the sermon today and not you.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It was about the quagmire\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014about Scripture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It was just that\u2014I was in my early 30s and never experienced that. That\u2019s it\u2014right or wrong.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m in my 60s, and I have experienced it\u2014not to a point I couldn\u2019t get out of bed\u2014but I understand when people say they\u2019re in the pit; it\u2019s <em>real<\/em>. That\u2019s why we need to talk about this, especially as parents with our teens; this is a real deal.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Have you struggled, Bob?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I haven\u2019t.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid Murray is joining us this week to help us with this. David, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We need a counselor. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; David is a pastor; he has taught counselling\u2014taught at the seminary level\u2014Puritan Seminary. He and his wife are the parents of five kids, live in western Michigan. He\u2019s just written a couple of very helpful books: one for teens called <em>Why Am I Feeling this Way?<\/em> And another for parents, <em>Why Are My Teenagers Feeling this Way?<\/em>, to deal with depression and anxiety.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAre some people, David, just temperamentally more inclined\/more melancholy and other people are just going to be optimistic and positive; and that\u2019s just how God made them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> You would say that the caricature\u2014as melancholy people\/as the \u201cEeyores\u201d\u2014that get depression; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I call that a caricature because, actually, the majority of people I have helped with depression are more like Dave\u2014[Laughter]\u2014Type A: high-achiever, and high-energetic, optimistic\u2014but what happens is, as they get older, they\u2019re still trying to keep up these labels of expectations and performance; but the body and the brain is saying, \u201cNo! I\u2019m not going there; I\u2019m sorry!\u201d Of course, you\u2019re also accumulating more and more responsibility as you get older, usually.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Eventually, when these limitations are not recognized\u2014even by the most hyper Type A types\u2014they will crash as well. I like to try and smash the caricature a wee bit so that the Type A\u2019s don\u2019t think, \u201cEh! Never going to happen to me.\u201d You ought to be cautious.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Now, with teenagers, who are still in the early stages of development\u2014and that\u2019s where you book is focused\u2014this is not about your body not being able to respond; I mean, you\u2019re kind of at the peak. For <em>them<\/em>, there\u2019s a lot of environmental pressure; there\u2019s a lot of figuring out who they are; there are spiritual issues they\u2019re wrestling with; there may be biological issues kicking in. We\u2019ve talked about those things this week. Help us think through this in terms of what the Bible has to say.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe verse that comes to mind for me immediately is David in the Psalms, recognizing that his own soul is downcast. He speaks to his soul and kind of corrects himself. I think you can read a passage like that from Psalm\u2014what is that?\u2014Psalm 42; do you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> A lot of them are like that; aren\u2019t they? Yes; 42 for sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right; he says, \u201cWhy so downcast oh my soul? Put your hope in God.\u201d I think a lot of us think, \u201cWell, that\u2019s what you\u2019re supposed to do if your soul is downcast: you just put your hope in God and move on.\u201d It\u2019s <em>not<\/em> that simple for a lot of people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> It\u2019s <em>not<\/em> that simple; and although you can read the Psalm in a minute, I believe these Psalms are often describing a long-term period in a summary form. It\u2019s a battle; it\u2019s rarely that easy. Sure, if you\u2019ve just hit a little knock; yes, push yourself up again with the Word. But often, it\u2019s more than a little knock; often, it\u2019s a series of massive knocks. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you think of teens as well\u2014although they\u2019re not aging, in a sense, like a 40-year-old is\u2014their body is changing hugely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> They have identity issues; they have relational issues\u2014mega\u2014much more than we do. Different ages are different challenges; it doesn\u2019t matter what age you are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019re right, Bob\u2014the Word of God has got to be a component of our therapy as it were. I often take people to Psalm 77. There you\u2019ve got Asaph, the psalmist, who in the first nine verses, he talks about trouble\/terrible trouble he is in\u2014doesn\u2019t name it\/doesn\u2019t specify it\u2014which I think helps because we can all fit in. Then he talks about these terrible feelings: he\u2019s cast down; he\u2019s anxious; he\u2019s crying; he\u2019s weeping; he can\u2019t sleep; he can\u2019t eat; and then he talks about his thoughts.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTerrible trouble, fearful feelings, and his thoughts of God are awful. He\u2019s actually putting question marks over God\u2019s character: \u201cIs God real? Is God going to keep His promises? Is God true? Is God faithful?\u201d No wonder he\u2019s in the depths; right? What has happened here is he\u2019s let his feelings control his thoughts. Yes, it\u2019s a terrible event; but his feelings are now dictating his theology. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHalfway through that Psalm he says, \u201cSelah\u201d: \u201cPause\/enough of this. Let\u2019s get our act together,\u201d as it were. Hearing the words, he says, \u201cAnd I will appeal. I will remember; I will remember. I will ponder; I will meditate.\u201d What\u2019s he doing here? He\u2019s saying, \u201cI\u2019ve got to get my thoughts primary here. I\u2019ve got to get my thoughts in charge. No longer are feelings going to be in the driving seat, but my thoughts are.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd what is he thinking of?\u2014what is he pointing\/what is he meditating on?\u2014it\u2019s God: God\u2019s Word, God\u2019s ways, God\u2019s works. What happens in the rest of the psalm is\u2014he actually doesn\u2019t mention his feelings again\u2014which is interesting\u2014they\u2019ve kind of shrunk. But the whole tone of this psalm communicates feelings of confidence, and hope, and joy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there\u2019s a beautiful therapy here\u2014actually, a lot of people will call it cognitive behavioral therapy in a way\u2014but God invented that long before we invented <em>that<\/em>. [Laughter] Because here he\u2019s basically saying, \u201cDon\u2019t let your feelings control your thoughts; let your thoughts control your feelings.\u201d The trouble is still there\u2014right?\u2014but his thoughts and, therefore, his feelings are completely different. This is a wonderful pattern for us that God has given us to follow that can help us in multiple situations. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI often speak of emotions as like an elephant. When an elephant moves, he can do a lot of damage. We need to get a rider\/we need to get somebody in the saddle of that elephant to keep it under control; that\u2019s what I call biblical reasoning. That\u2019s what the psalmist does here\u2014basically, puts biblical reasoning on the saddle of his elephant-like emotions\u2014it tames them; and it controls them; and it redirects them into a much more positive and hope-filled way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It is interesting that you go back to that Psalm. It\u2019s hard, sometimes, to get your thinking\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014in the right place\u2014and you can see it in his psalm. He starts out saying, \u201cI cried out to God for help. I cried out to God to hear me, and I would not be comforted.\u201d Then down in verse 7\u2014I\u2019m thinking so many of us experienced this\u2014\u201cWill the Lord reject forever? Will He never show His favor again? Has His unfailing love vanished forever? Has His promise failed for all time? Has God forgotten to be merciful? Has He, in anger, withheld His compassion?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you\u2019re in that state of anxiety, or all the way to depression, you can\u2019t answer that: \u201cYes\u201d; you\u2019re just like, \u201cI\u2019m\/I\u2019m hopeless.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You get to the point, where your feelings <em>do<\/em> dominate; and you\u2019re like, \u201cI don\u2019t want them to! I <em>know<\/em> what\u2019s right. I can\u2019t get my\/my brain to override my feelings.\u201d Is that true? <em>How<\/em> do we get there?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; well, I think what\u2019s significant here is that\u2014it\u2019s not in this translation of the Bible\u2014but verse 10 is often translated as, \u201cThis is my infirmity,\u201d or \u201cThis is my weakness.\u201d I think that\u2019s the first thing to recognize: \u201cOkay; I\u2019m thinking like this, but it\u2019s not the right way to think. This is wrong; this is weakness.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the second thing is \u201cSelah.\u201d [Sighs loudly] A stall, silence, stillness\u2014that\u2019s the challenge\u2014that we want to get to the second part of Psalm 77 without taking the silence\/without taking the time out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think this stuff is <em>huge<\/em>, because it\u2019s really this battle going on in our mind. In Scripture, it talks about taking our thoughts captive. I remember I was in my 20s the first time\u2014I can\u2019t remember the book I was reading\u2014but it basically asked: \u201cWhat do you think about yourself in your mind? What is your self-talk?\u201d It was the first time I thought, \u201cOh, I\u2019ve never thought about that.\u201d When I replayed in my mind what was going on and on\u2014all negative\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cYou\u2019re ugly,\u201d \u201cYou ate too much,\u201d \u201cYou\u2019re not doing a good job at this,\u201d\u2014it was all negative. As a Type A, I thought, \u201cWell, that\u2019s motivating\u201d; but what it is\u2014it was <em>destroying<\/em> me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you think about taking a thought captive, I always picture captivity as being a cage. I think of a zoo and animals in the zoo. I thought, \u201cI didn\u2019t have any cage. My thoughts were running wild in my head, and I didn\u2019t take control at all.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven to ask that question to our teens, \u201cWhat are you thinking about yourself in your head? What is your self-talk about yourself?\u201d That question alone can bring a lot of insight into what\u2019s going on in our kids\u2019 heads. Have you asked that question?\u2014have you seen\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Oh, yes. Yes; definitely: \u201cWhat\u2019s your story? What story are you telling yourself?\u201d \u201cWhat story are you writing? What chapter is in your story today?\u2014you know, if you were to write out your day.\u201d<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I actually used to do that with my wife. I would come home\u2014this was when I was in my more sane\/sympathetic mode\u2014[Laughter]\u2014she would be in tears and crying; and \u201cI feel useless,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m a terrible mother.\u201d \u201cOkay; let\u2019s sit down. How many washes did you put on today?\u201d \u201cWell, 25.\u201d \u201cHow many diapers did you change today?\u201d \u201cWell, maybe a hundred.\u201d [Laughter] \u201cDid you phone anyone?\u201d \u201cWell, I phoned this widow,\u201d and \u201cI phoned this sick person.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re kind of just bringing\u2014not just truths from God\u2019s Word\u2014but truth from God\u2019s world: objective <em>facts<\/em> that, eventually, when the evidence mounts up, <em>will<\/em> change the feelings: \u201cOkay; so maybe I\u2019m <em>not<\/em> so useless,\u201d \u201cMaybe, I\u2019m <em>not<\/em> so bad.\u201d We\u2019re trying to really rub out\/erase a false story, and rewrite it with truth and facts. We\u2019re not doing self-hypnosis, you know, deluding yourselves; we\u2019re bringing truth from God\u2019s Word and God\u2019s world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> How do we help counsel our kids\u2019 souls?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; our senior daughter comes home from school. She\u2019s crying, and she\u2019s weeping; and something terrible has happened\u2014somebody\u2019s posted something or she\u2019s received something by text\u2014so a terrible event has happened, just like in \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPsalm 77. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat\u2019s the next step?\u2014ask how you\u2019re feeling: \u201cHow did that make you feel?\u201d \u201cDid you feel this\u2026\u201c\u2014if they\u2019re not answering, put some words out to latch onto so they can name their feelings. It\u2019s very important to actually\u2014just name the feeling\u2014and get out of themselves and to a more external form. Then, \u201cOkay; you\u2019re feeling that. What did that make you think?\u201d \u201cWell, it made me think I was worthless,\u201d \u201cIt made me think nobody likes me,\u201d \u201cMade me think this\u2026\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat we\u2019re doing there, with our kids, is we\u2019re saying, \u201cOkay; terrible things happen all the time, and we\u2019re going to feel terrible,\u201d and \u201cIt\u2019s okay.\u201d We mustn\u2019t squash these feelings\u2014we\u2019ve got to let them out\/got to let them be expressed. We\u2019ve got to identify how that affects the way we think. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven in that, you\u2019ve given your kids a really helpful tool of self-understanding: a terrible event; terrible feelings\/terrible thoughts. Now, \u201cHow do we put that right? Is there something else that we can look at here?\u2014what else happened in the day? Anything good actually can come out of this?\u201d You begin to try to get facts and truths and <em>add<\/em> some evidence to this life that will help them, again, move their feelings. You\u2019re not denying the event; you\u2019re not denying the feelings; you\u2019re not denying the thoughts; but you\u2019re now using it to say, \u201cOkay; let\u2019s move forward. Let\u2019s <em>change<\/em> these feelings by changing our <em>thoughts<\/em> about what happened.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Is the Book of Psalms the place for depressed people and anxious people to go and live?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes, partly; I mean, I love Philippians as well. I think Philippians has got some <em>great<\/em> truths there: \u201cWhatsoever things are good and pure and lovely, of good report, think on these things and the peace of God which passes all understanding will fill your heart and mind.\u201d But what the Psalms do\u2014is it gives us permission to take the most ugly, horrible feelings and thoughts and put them on the table and say, \u201cThat\u2019s me, and this is okay.\u201d In fact, it\u2019s worship as long as we go forward with them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What about Matthew 6\u2014is that a place for us to turn? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I love Matthew 6! It\u2019s one of my favorite passages. What I love about it is it\u2019s imagery. Now, we know teens\u2014words have some impact; images have <em>massive<\/em> impact. It\u2019s interesting here that Jesus, when He addresses anxiety, that\u2019s where He goes\u2014He goes to images\u2014images as a problem and images as a solution. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat are the image problems? Well, He says, \u201cDon\u2019t be anxious about your life; what you\u2019ll eat; what you\u2019ll drink; your body, what you\u2019ll put on.\u201d He\u2019s really saying, \u201cWhat\u2019s the movie?\u2014what are the images going on in your mind?\u201d Now, today, it\u2019s not food, drink and clothing as a matter of survival, as it was in these days; it\u2019s food, drink and clothing as a matter of <em>approval<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \u2014it\u2019s about performance. It\u2019s a kind of difference, but it\u2019s the same end result\u2014anxiety. This is like going on in our kids\u2019 minds: \u201cWhat is <em>Instagram<\/em>?\u201d\u2014but\u2014\u201cWhat shall I eat?\u201d \u201cWhat shall I drink?\u201d \u201cWhat shall I put on?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat does He do? He doesn\u2019t just say, \u201cStop that!\u201d\u2014you can\u2019t stop a film without replacing it\u2014so what does He do? Well, He first of all gives us natural images\/images from nature. He says, \u201cLook at the birds.\u201d The word, \u201clook,\u201d is: \u201cstudy, examine, linger.\u201d Then He says, \u201cNow look at the flowers of the field.\u201d He\u2019s not limiting us to birds and flowers; He\u2019s saying, \u201cGet outside!\u201d\u2014[Laughter]\u2014you know? \u201cTake in My beauty through your eyes, through your ears, through your nose, through touch. Just let new images come in and, like these natural images, lead you to <em>supernatural<\/em> images\u201d; because He goes from these natural images to images of God as Father and as King, two beautiful images\/very graphic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to take really bad images out of our mind\/out of our kids\u2019 minds. God\u2019s beauty is incredible therapeutic: it brings you to worship; it brings you to trust; and makes you think, \u201cIf God is looking after these animals and these landscapes in the midst of so many challenges, is He not going to look after me, His child?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019d love for you to talk to the parent, who\u2019s been struggling for years with their child\/with their teen\u2014they\u2019re on years now. I\u2019d love for you to talk to them\/to encourage them; and then I\u2019d love for you to pray for these parents, who are really struggling. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Sure, Ann. I think the first thing I would say to the parents is: \u201cHave hope.\u201d There are 18 little stories in my book of teens\u2014all of whom, to one degree or another, are either managing their anxiety and depression better or being healed from it\u2014they are using the means God has provided.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> So there <em>is<\/em> hope.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> There is hope! Don\u2019t rule out <em>anything<\/em>: read the book; see all the remedies; don\u2019t limit yourself. Get your teen to read it to give <em>them<\/em> hope, because this is one of the great challenges; isn\u2019t it? Depression, especially, is a disease that disintegrates hope; so if we can give hope again, that\u2019s a huge step forward. We use the means\u201499.9 percent of the time\u2014God will bring us to a level of healing. I\u2019m not saying full healing\u2014that may not be God\u2019s plan\u2014but certainly a degree of healing that will allow functioning, and living, and loving again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would also say to them, \u201cHave hope that this won\u2019t just heal your child; it will make your child better than he would have been\/she would have been apart from this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I\u2019ve seen\u2014just again, and again, and again\u2014I\u2019ve seen\/I would say, in every case, teens maturing beyond their years\u2014ultimately, becoming the most useful, members of God\u2019s kingdom and of human society because they\u2019ve been given a dimension of self-understanding, and of sympathy with others, and of God\u2019s Word that few people have. This creates <em>deep<\/em> people, who can help people with deep problems.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Pray for parents, will you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGreat God of hope\/great God of joy, we know that, when we look to You, we look to the God who can give joy and can give peace. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, Lord, the listeners, who are listening to this today, who have little joy and little peace, or whose loved ones are in the darkness. We pray that You would encourage them, that You would lift them up, that You would help them to find that hope in You and Your provision\u2014physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually, relationally\u2014You have provided abundantly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp, Lord. Bring resources, bring people, bring professionals, bring Christians into this situation. Put together a healing team that will address this problem in a holistic way and, ultimately, bring the child and the parents through this\u2014not just back to where they were\u2014but gold. In Jesus\u2019 name we pray. Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> David, you\u2019ve given a lot of parents a lot of fresh hope by pointing us to the God of hope. Thank you for the books; thanks for being here and for the conversation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Thanks Bob, Dave and Ann. Thank you so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The books David has written\u2014one for teenagers called<em> Why Am I Feeling Like This?:<\/em> <em>A Teens Guide to Freedom from Anxiety and Depression<\/em>\u2014and then a book for parents called <em>Why Is My Teenager Feeling Like This?: A Guide for Helping Teens Through Anxiety and Depression<\/em>. Both books are available in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order them from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to order: 1-800-FL-TODAY is the number. 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We do what we do here, at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, hoping and praying that God will, in fact, use it to connect with people at the right time and the right circumstance and to point you back to Jesus, back to the Scriptures, back to the hope that we find in the gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re also greatly encouraged when a <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listener contacts us to say, \u201cI want to support the work you\u2019re doing. I want to see it extend; I want to see it continue. I want to see more people impacted by what <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is doing every day.\u201d Those of you who go online or call us to make a donation\u2014that is a great encouragement to us. In fact, if you\u2019re able to help with a donation today, we\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d back to you by sending you a copy of a devotional book written by Dale Kreienkamp that is designed for people, who are unemployed. 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And I hope you can be with us on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk about how families can proactively encourage and equip one another in our faith: \u201cHow can we disciple one another?\u201d \u201cWhat kinds of patterns and rhythms can we have in our families that would be effective to promote spiritual growth?\u201d Adam Griffin is going to join us to talk about that, and I hope you can join us as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Have a great weekend. We will see you Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. 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