{"id":306504,"date":"2020-10-28T07:00:04","date_gmt":"2020-10-28T11:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/teens-and-anxiety\/"},"modified":"2020-10-28T07:00:04","modified_gmt":"2020-10-28T11:00:04","slug":"teens-and-anxiety","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/teens-and-anxiety\/","title":{"rendered":"Teens and Anxiety"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>David Murray experienced a couple of burnouts firsthand and talks about his faithful wife&#8217;s bout with depression that left her incapacitated. 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Biblical counselor and pastor, David Murray, says we ought to be asking ourselves the question, \u201cWhy?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> There\u2019s been something really significant that shifted in our culture. Something big has happened or, maybe, more than one thing that is producing this. Depression stats are in the realm of: 20 percent of teens, by the time they reach adulthood, will have had a clinical depression; that\u2019s one in 5. You know, you look at your kids; you look at your classes; you look at your churches\u2014and you just go through, like, \u201c1, 2, 3, 4\u2026\u201d Yet, it\u2019s strange; we never talk about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, October 28<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I\u2019m Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. What is driving the increase in depression and anxiety among adolescents and young adults? We\u2019ll talk more about that today with our guest, David Murray. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I don\u2019t know if there is anything much more relevant than what we\u2019re going to talk about today. I mean, I\u2019ve been watching statistics of how many teenagers are struggling with issues of anxiety, and depression, loneliness, alienation\u2014it\u2019s growing; it\u2019s increasing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTo know, as a parent, what to do if you are observing things with your teenager, I think a lot of parents are on high alert. And then, all of the sudden\u2014by the way, it\u2019s 2020\u2014and maybe, there have been a few things going on this year that have increased anxiety, and loneliness, and alienation, and depression. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; I think this is the topic that\u2019s causing parents to feel desperate for answers and help. I think this a great topic that we\u2019re going to discuss today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It isn\u2019t just parents; it\u2019s all of us. We\u2014this past year, before COVID\u2014did our\u2014I think, in 30 years, first time we\u2019ve ever tackled mental health as a series weekend. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014at church? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014at church\u2014did three messages in a row on it. It was attended like nothing else. People were like, \u201cWe need help in this area,\u201d\u2014as parents, but [also] just as adults and as kids\u2014\u201cHow do we think about this? What do we do?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> With COVID, everything has increased; so it\u2019s on the rise. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m so glad David Murray is joining us to help us with this. David, welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Thank you. It\u2019s wonderful to be with you here today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> David is an author and a speaker; for years now, a seminary professor at Puritan Theological Seminary in Grand Rapids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And he has an accent!\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> He does! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014probably picked that up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is cool; you\u2019re going to love this. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> David is now a pastor at a local church in Grand Rapids\u2014and someone who, as a part of your own personal spiritual journey, has dealt with the issues that you\u2019ve written about in two books\u2014one is <em>Why Am I Feeling Like This?<\/em>\u2014and the other\u2014<em>Why Is My Teenager Feeling Like This?<\/em>\u2014books about anxiety and depression. That was a part of your spiritual past; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes, very much; it\u2019s something that you can know from a book and it\u2019s something you can know from personal experience\u2014they are very different. We still learn about this topic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was really my wife\u2019s depression, first of all, that really brought home to me the reality of mental illness and how a Christian can be depressed and can be anxious and how to deal with that. Then, for myself, just over the years, a couple of burnouts, which affected me physically\u2014maybe, more than emotionally\u2014but that was there too. Raising teenage girls\u2014yes, it\u2019s all around. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s wonderful to hear of you doing that series in your church. I hear more and more pastors doing this. It\u2019s just such like a breaking of the dam for people; it\u2019s like, \u201cAt <em>last<\/em>, we can talk about this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; and the big tension was: \u201cIf you are a follower of Christ, you don\u2019t struggle\/you shouldn\u2019t struggle with anxiety, worry, depression, even suicidal thoughts.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> So people don\u2019t talk about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And no; the church wasn\u2019t talking about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> To be able to go, \u201cThis can be a part of even a Christian struggle\/journey,\u201d which you\u2019ve obviously walked through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; I have to be honest\u2014that\u2019s what I believed when I came out of seminary: \u201cIf you are depressed, you are either not a Christian, or you\u2019re a Christian in terrible sin,\u201d\u2014that was my belief. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I was utterly useless in counseling people with depression and anxiety as a result. God, in His providence, put me in the Northwest Highlands of Scotland to pastor where there is a <em>huge<\/em> rate of depression, largely due to we hardly seeing the sun for half the year. [Laughter] Then\u2014yes, I said my <em>own<\/em> wife came down with it\u2014and I knew she was far more godly than I was. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis turns my whole world upside down. I\u2019m meeting lots of godly people, who are going down with depression; and I know they are not living in sin. I need to relook at this, and study, and listen better. I think that was the first thing I started doing and, eventually, wrote a book, <em>Christians Get Depressed Too<\/em>, which was really the opposite of what I used to believe. Yet, from what people tell me, it\u2019s been incredibly relieving. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Explain to us what we are talking about when we talk about depression. Is it more than just sadness over circumstances? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; I think, when I talk about depression, I try and talk about it in three-dimensions. I try and talk about the depths of feelings. We all have Monday-morning blues\u2014that\u2019s not depression\u2014it\u2019s much deeper [than that]. We also may have anxiety and things like that; we maybe have aches and pains in our bodies, all of which can be symptoms of anxiety\/depression\u2014but you really need the <em>width<\/em> of these\u2014you need to tick a lot of boxes for it to eventually be classed as that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen there is length, which is how long it goes on for; in other words, a bad week\u2014that\u2019s not depression. This can go on two or three weeks; then you\u2019re beginning to look at depression\/anxiety. I often speak of them together because they often come together in a lot of cases. You\u2019ve got to look at the width, the depth, and the length before you really move from just ordinary sadness to: \u201cYes; a depression problem.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What was your wife\u2019s experience? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> The strange thing was she was actually a doctor. She was dealing a lot with people with depression; and yet, when it came into her own life, she didn\u2019t recognize it. She couldn\u2019t accept it; in fact, she went where I was going, too: \u201cThis must be a spiritual problem.\u201d We actually spent a year or more in, I would say, torture\u2014trying to find: \u201cWhat was the sin?\u201d \u201cWhat was the problem?\u201d \u201cWhere had she gone wrong?\u201d\u2014she more than me\u2014because I kind of like knew, from looking on from the outside, \u201cThis is <em>not<\/em> my wife. She\u2019s a godly woman; she\u2019s loves the Lord, and she lives for the Lord.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> But what did you see? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Well, I saw her just becoming eventually incapacitated: unable to work, unable to care for the kids, and unable to sleep\u2014crying a lot of the time. I would say to her, \u201cWhy are you crying? We\u2019re in a lovely congregation. God has given us lovely kids. Above all, you\u2019re married to <em>me<\/em>.\u201d [Laughter] She would say, \u201cDavid, all of these things are true; but I can\u2019t stop crying.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was really just <em>multiple<\/em> factors that eventually exhausted her body, which exhausted her mind, which exhausted her emotions; and the spiritual things we were focused on were <em>not<\/em> the <em>cause<\/em> but the <em>effect<\/em> of that depression. That was sort of a light bulb moment for us. Once we started focusing on the physical and the social, we really began to get some traction; her spiritual life began to revive again. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Now, you know this is something that there is a lot of\/kind of broad thinking on this subject. Some people would say, \u201cWell, you said it\u2019s not a spiritual issue; how can it not be a spiritual issue?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; there is a spiritual issue in every problem, to some degree or another; we can\u2019t separate the soul from the body. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>David:<\/strong> The question: \u201cIs there always a <em>primarily<\/em> spiritual cause?\u201d I believe is a mistake; but one I believe that, increasingly, Christians are seeing is a mistake. We don\u2019t <em>ignore<\/em> that side\u2014but we don\u2019t focus exclusively on either\u2014but try and take this holistic approach, looking at the physical, the emotional, the mental, the spiritual, the relational, and just trying to take that much more human approach. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Your new books are focused on how this is manifesting itself among adolescents\u2014one book for the teenager and another book for the parents. What\u2019s unique about anxiety and depression among adolescents? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> In some ways, there isn\u2019t anything unique; but we felt the books were required because, obviously, teen abilities to read and understand are different to an adult. Also, although there is a lot of overlap in many of the symptoms and causes, there are some <em>unique<\/em> aspects of being a teen, which really play into teen anxiety and depression as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And the stats you quote in the book are astronomical right now. Even the fact that the suicide rate is at a 30-year high\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I know. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014among teenagers; what\u2019s going on? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> It\u2019s heartbreaking, Dave. It\u2019s hard to talk about it without getting emotional about it\u2014you know?\u2014because I\u2019ve <em>seen<\/em> so many of these kids. It\u2019s a <em>dark<\/em> pit that something like 33 percent of teens will have an anxiety disorder. That\u2019s not just: \u201cI\u2019m feeling a wee-bit edgy\u201d; it\u2019s an actual incapacitating, overwhelming disorder. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> One-third. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> One-third. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Wow! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; and I think it reflects that there has been something <em>really<\/em> significant that shifted in our culture\/something big has happened\u2014or maybe more than one thing\u2014that is producing this. Depression stats\u2014it\u2019s in the realm of: 20 percent of teens, by the time they reach adulthood, will have had a clinical depression; so that\u2019s one in 5. You look at your kids; you look at your classes; you look at your churches; and you just go through, like, \u201c1, 2, 3, 4, <em>5<\/em>.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I was going to say, \u201cThat\u2019s scary.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; that is scary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That is scary to hear; as a parent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yet, it\u2019s strange; we never talk about that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Why is it higher now? Why are the stats higher? What\u2019s happening? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I use this little word, \u201cpits\u201d: P-I-T-S; because \u201cYou end up in the pits.\u201d I think the first one is \u201cPressure.\u201d The second one is \u201cInstability.\u201d The third one is \u201cTechnology,\u201d and the fourth one is \u201cSpirit\/Spiritual Problems.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPressure: teens are under just <em>incredible<\/em> pressure to perform today. I remember growing up\u2014I mean, I\u2019m 54\u2014so what?\u201430\/40 years ago\u2014I had exams twice a year, and I played in soccer; there was no training. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI look at my teens: and there are tests, and exams, and projects, and assignments every day\/every week for months, and months, and months. It\u2019s not just enough to play sport once a week; it\u2019s three times a week and four times a week. Then you\u2019ve got\u2014they\u2019ve got to get scholarships, and they\u2019ve got to be working. They\u2019ve got to be doing volunteer work, and they\u2019ve got to be involved in our church. I just think a lot of teens are being <em>crushed<\/em>. Some of it is parent-driven. Some of it is culture-driven\/school-driven. Some of it is themselves as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen the instability they are seeing all around them; but I think, especially post-9\/11, it\u2019s a very different world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Shootings in schools. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Shootings in schools; yes\u2014that\u2019s <em>massive<\/em>\u2014family and stability\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s the thing that came to mind for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> How many families are healthy, nurturing, intact families? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; even if you\u2019re in one, you\u2019re surrounded by breakups everywhere. Kids are worry: \u201cIs it going to be me next? Is it going to be our family next?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTechnology was the third one\u2014the \u201cT\u201d\u2014the digital overwhelm, which I think is hyper stimulation of a very tender teenage brain. They\u2019re not just up to this amount of stimulation and intensity. Brains need downtime\u2014they need quiet time; they need still time\u2014we are <em>exhausting<\/em> them. We never put our devices down; we can\u2019t stop at a red light without checking\u2014that\u2019s bad enough for adults\u2014but for a teen brain, that\u2019s just making connections and is being formed, the thing is very damaging; information overload on that front too. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur teens know like the worst things are going on the world as soon as they happen, 24\/7, with live video coverage. Things that\u2014I might have picked up the newspaper once a week when I was a teen, and I might have seen a little paragraph somewhere about the latest war disaster; now, it\u2019s just 24\/7 coverage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That tech world brings the first two into play as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> It does; it\u2019s all mixed up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Pressure and instability because I\u2019m comparing to my other friends and seeing what\u2019s happening in their homes\u2014and how perfect\u2014it never ends. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Social media. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s the depression part I thought of\u2014is that the comparison that is going on as you are looking on Instagram<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> or Facebook<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> and seeing: \u201cOh, my friends are this,\u201d and \u201cThat shot looks better,\u201d and \u201cThey\u2019ve got a boyfriend,\u201d and \u201cLife looks good for them; it doesn\u2019t feel good for me.\u201d That comparison is driving a lot of kids to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019m depressed listening to this. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> This is not the most uplifting of a broadcast; is it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> But it\u2019s enlightening. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Well, I think when people hear that, they begin to see, \u201cAha! That explains it.\u201d I think that\u2019s one of the worst things about anxiety and depression\u2014it feels like, \u201cThis came out of the blue,\u201d\u2014like\u2014\u201cI\u2019m a total victim.\u201d It\u2019s just inexplicable; none of us like that. We like to feel like there is cause and there is effect. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s, actually, a major element in healing when you understand the causes; because then you\u2019ve got something to get your hands on, and you can grab hold of, and say, \u201cOkay; this is <em>not<\/em> just like accidental or bad luck. There are some factors here that, if I understand the causes, then I can begin to look at some cures.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The \u201cS\u201d is the spiritual dimension? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> The spiritual dimension; yes. Again, it goes back to technology\u2014Dave, as you said, it\u2019s all mixed up\u2014the pornography issue is causing <em>huge<\/em> guilt and shame, which is devastating to kids\u2014and growth and development in every way\u2014but especially spiritually: it distances them from God; makes them not want to read their Bibles, don\u2019t want to pray, don\u2019t want to go to church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think if you also look at just the general spiritual and moral culture\u2014the relativism\/the multi-faith-ism\u2014it\u2019s very shaking to kids to have just, \u201cWell, if there\u2019s like a hundred people of a hundred different religions, how do I know mine is right?\u201d Maybe, as churches, we\u2019ve shut down questioning at times instead of <em>helping<\/em> teens with their questions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got answers; but unless we create a culture of: \u201cYou can ask the <em>worst<\/em> questions you can possibly imagine, and I\u2019m not going to drop dead in front of you,\u201d that\u2019s where we\u2019ve got to get to [in order] to help them process some of these spiritual questions\/spiritual doubts, which left unresolved, can cause a really deep-seated fear and anxiety. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Is there also the aspect\u2014again, I\u2019m thinking of the teenager\u2014maybe that is a part of a church or maybe going to youth group\u2014there\u2019s this stigma at that church, or in that youth group, or in that small group, \u201cYou can\u2019t talk about darkness or anxiety.\u201d You sort of put the mask on: \u201cBecause I\u2019m a church kid, I\u2019m good.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u201cHey, how you doin\u2019, Bob?\u201d \u201cOh, I\u2019m good.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And you may <em>really<\/em> be struggling with suicidal thoughts or, maybe, you\u2019ve got a porn problem that\u2019s caused you to doubt. You just hid all that, put on the mask, and that\u2019s not allowed to be talked about. Is that a part of the spiritual part too?\u2014because it\u2019s covered? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>They are living in darkness, but <em>nobody<\/em> knows; because they are not supposed to share weakness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; you are absolutely right. I think this is especially where youth pastors have a <em>tremendous<\/em> responsibility, as well as opportunity\u2014instead of every event being: \u201cLet\u2019s cheer everyone up,\u201d\u2014no: \u201cLet\u2019s be real; let\u2019s just be honest with one another. We\u2019re <em>not<\/em> all good; we\u2019re <em>not<\/em> all happy; we\u2019re <em>not<\/em> all at peace. Let\u2019s talk about that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019ve heard you talk about environmental and emotional contributors, spiritual contributors. You haven\u2019t brought up the biological or the medical sides of this. Again, there is debate on some of this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And you\u2019re married to a doctor; right? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If a teenager is experiencing depression, does that mean there is something going on in their brain? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; when I\u2019m talking about P.I.T.S, we were talking about the cultural factors playing into depression there; but yes; there is definitely a physical element in many depressions. Here is the best way I\u2019ve found to illustrate this. If you\u2019re out in the woods one day, and you meet a bear, our flight or fight system switches on. Our adrenaline and cortisol pumps into our bodies. We\u2014our blood thickens; our muscles get stronger; our senses get more acute and sensitive\u2014why does this happen? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, it\u2019s a God-given survival system God has given us so that, when we do face danger, we can either fight it and win or run away and win; or if the bear does get us, well, the blood\u2019s thickened up, and hopefully, we wouldn\u2019t bleed out; you know? [Laughter]This is a good thing\u2014the fight or flight system is a good thing\/our stress response system\u2014but it should switch off after about 20 minutes. Ether you\u2019ve beaten the bear, you\u2019ve run away from the bear, or you\u2019re in the bear\u2019s stomach. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe problem is sometimes that system stays switched on; or it switches on for no good reason whatsoever; or maybe, after many traumas, difficulties, challenges, stresses for a long period of time, it\u2019s heightened. It\u2019s not exactly bear level, but it\u2019s not at chill level. This is very unhealthy for our bodies, because these are bad chemicals in big doses. They eventually start affecting our brain, our nervous system, our blood, our oxygen levels. It\u2019s like, almost, you sitting in your car, with your foot on the accelerator, revs at the highest level. What is eventually going to happen? That car is going to eventually fall apart. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> When we\u2019re putting our teenagers under all this pressure; they are feeling this instability; they are being overwhelmed with technology\u2014hyper stimulated and keyed up all the time by that\u2014and the spiritual challenges\u2014you put all that together, and you\u2019ve got kids, who are in constant fight-or-flight mode. The stress response system is up there all the time, and it\u2019s never down. Eventually, that wears and tears on the body; and the brain, initially, with anxiety; and then, when everything crashes, you plummet into depression. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s involuntary; right? I mean, the fight and flight\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014so if I am a teenager or an adult, and I\u2019m in fight and flight, and I can\u2019t stop it\u2014I feel like somebody is pushing the accelerator, and it\u2019s not me\u2014what do I do? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Well, I think that\u2019s where sympathy has to come in; isn\u2019t it? We don\u2019t come to our teens and condemn them or critique them. We want to have compassion. We want to say, \u201cThis is an awful experience. This is not necessarily your fault. There are many factors that have played into this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know one young woman\u2014she had four bereavements in her family in one year. You know, that\u2019s four great losses\/four great stresses. If you weren\u2019t depressed and anxious at the end of that, that would a miracle. That\u2019s <em>normal<\/em>, not abnormal\u2014I like to call it normal abnormality. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, if a kid is deliberately exposing themselves to hyper stimulation\u2014like horror movies, gory video games, the worst media pornography\u2014then yes, you\u2019ve got to hold your hands up and say, \u201cOkay; I\u2019ve got a degree of guilt here.\u201d We can deal with that: we can bring that to the cross; we can get that removed and give you a fresh start, by the grace of God and the atonement of Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo whatever\u2014whether you are to blame or not to blame\u2014there are ways forward out of this. I think that\u2019s the overall message I hope that we\u2019ll get across today in our discussion\u2014that: \u201cBad though the problems are, God has provided <em>multiple<\/em> solutions.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We want to spend some time dealing with those solutions. I think we\u2019ve illuminated the problem today, and we\u2019re going to continue the conversation and talk about the solutions. That\u2019s where you go in the book you\u2019ve written for teenagers and the one you\u2019ve written for parents. The teenagers\u2019 book is called <em>Why Am I Feeling Like This?: A Teen's Guide to Freedom from Anxiety and Depression<\/em>; and then there is a book for\u00a0 parents, <em>Why Is My Teenager Feeling Like This?<\/em>, to help <em>you<\/em> understand what\u2019s going on with your teen and to help prepare you to walk the path <em>with<\/em> them that leads them to a better place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>We\u2019ve got copies of both of David\u2019s books in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order them from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get your copy of either or both of these books. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order <em>Why Am I Feeling Like This?<\/em>, the book on anxiety and depression for teens, or <em>Why Is My Teenager Feeling Like This?<\/em>; or you can call to order: 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800 \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to take just a minute and express how grateful we are for <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners who do more than just listen. I\u2019m talking specifically about the <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners, who have made today\u2019s program possible, either as monthly Legacy Partners or as people who, from time to time, will make a donation in support of the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We could not do what we do if it weren\u2019t for your generosity and your support. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve heard from a number of listeners this week, who have contacted us to say, \u201cWe want to extend the reach of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> through our donation.\u201d I think part of the reason why is we are making available, as a thank-you gift, for these listeners a copy of Dale Kreienkamp\u2019s book\/a devotional guide for people who are unemployed. It\u2019s called <em>How Long, O Lord, How Long?<\/em> And many of you, who have called, have said you are getting this book as a gift to give to someone you know, who is recently unemployed or has been dealing with unemployment in 2020. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Again, Dale\u2019s book is our way of saying, \u201cThank you,\u201d this week when you help extend the reach of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> through your donations. 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Find out how teen anxiety differs from an adults.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2020-10-28.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The number of adolescents and young adults being diagnosed with depression and anxiety disorders is on the rise. Biblical counselor and pastor, David Murray, says we ought to be asking ourselves the question, \u201cWhy?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> There\u2019s been something really significant that shifted in our culture. Something big has happened or, maybe, more than one thing that is producing this. Depression stats are in the realm of: 20 percent of teens, by the time they reach adulthood, will have had a clinical depression; that\u2019s one in 5. You know, you look at your kids; you look at your classes; you look at your churches\u2014and you just go through, like, \u201c1, 2, 3, 4\u2026\u201d Yet, it\u2019s strange; we never talk about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, October 28<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I\u2019m Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. What is driving the increase in depression and anxiety among adolescents and young adults? We\u2019ll talk more about that today with our guest, David Murray. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I don\u2019t know if there is anything much more relevant than what we\u2019re going to talk about today. I mean, I\u2019ve been watching statistics of how many teenagers are struggling with issues of anxiety, and depression, loneliness, alienation\u2014it\u2019s growing; it\u2019s increasing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTo know, as a parent, what to do if you are observing things with your teenager, I think a lot of parents are on high alert. And then, all of the sudden\u2014by the way, it\u2019s 2020\u2014and maybe, there have been a few things going on this year that have increased anxiety, and loneliness, and alienation, and depression. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; I think this is the topic that\u2019s causing parents to feel desperate for answers and help. I think this a great topic that we\u2019re going to discuss today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It isn\u2019t just parents; it\u2019s all of us. We\u2014this past year, before COVID\u2014did our\u2014I think, in 30 years, first time we\u2019ve ever tackled mental health as a series weekend. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014at church? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014at church\u2014did three messages in a row on it. It was attended like nothing else. People were like, \u201cWe need help in this area,\u201d\u2014as parents, but [also] just as adults and as kids\u2014\u201cHow do we think about this? What do we do?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> With COVID, everything has increased; so it\u2019s on the rise. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m so glad David Murray is joining us to help us with this. David, welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Thank you. It\u2019s wonderful to be with you here today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> David is an author and a speaker; for years now, a seminary professor at Puritan Theological Seminary in Grand Rapids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And he has an accent!\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> He does! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014probably picked that up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is cool; you\u2019re going to love this. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> David is now a pastor at a local church in Grand Rapids\u2014and someone who, as a part of your own personal spiritual journey, has dealt with the issues that you\u2019ve written about in two books\u2014one is <em>Why Am I Feeling Like This?<\/em>\u2014and the other\u2014<em>Why Is My Teenager Feeling Like This?<\/em>\u2014books about anxiety and depression. That was a part of your spiritual past; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes, very much; it\u2019s something that you can know from a book and it\u2019s something you can know from personal experience\u2014they are very different. We still learn about this topic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was really my wife\u2019s depression, first of all, that really brought home to me the reality of mental illness and how a Christian can be depressed and can be anxious and how to deal with that. Then, for myself, just over the years, a couple of burnouts, which affected me physically\u2014maybe, more than emotionally\u2014but that was there too. Raising teenage girls\u2014yes, it\u2019s all around. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s wonderful to hear of you doing that series in your church. I hear more and more pastors doing this. It\u2019s just such like a breaking of the dam for people; it\u2019s like, \u201cAt <em>last<\/em>, we can talk about this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; and the big tension was: \u201cIf you are a follower of Christ, you don\u2019t struggle\/you shouldn\u2019t struggle with anxiety, worry, depression, even suicidal thoughts.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> So people don\u2019t talk about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And no; the church wasn\u2019t talking about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> To be able to go, \u201cThis can be a part of even a Christian struggle\/journey,\u201d which you\u2019ve obviously walked through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; I have to be honest\u2014that\u2019s what I believed when I came out of seminary: \u201cIf you are depressed, you are either not a Christian, or you\u2019re a Christian in terrible sin,\u201d\u2014that was my belief. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I was utterly useless in counseling people with depression and anxiety as a result. God, in His providence, put me in the Northwest Highlands of Scotland to pastor where there is a <em>huge<\/em> rate of depression, largely due to we hardly seeing the sun for half the year. [Laughter] Then\u2014yes, I said my <em>own<\/em> wife came down with it\u2014and I knew she was far more godly than I was. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis turns my whole world upside down. I\u2019m meeting lots of godly people, who are going down with depression; and I know they are not living in sin. I need to relook at this, and study, and listen better. I think that was the first thing I started doing and, eventually, wrote a book, <em>Christians Get Depressed Too<\/em>, which was really the opposite of what I used to believe. Yet, from what people tell me, it\u2019s been incredibly relieving. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Explain to us what we are talking about when we talk about depression. Is it more than just sadness over circumstances? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; I think, when I talk about depression, I try and talk about it in three-dimensions. I try and talk about the depths of feelings. We all have Monday-morning blues\u2014that\u2019s not depression\u2014it\u2019s much deeper [than that]. We also may have anxiety and things like that; we maybe have aches and pains in our bodies, all of which can be symptoms of anxiety\/depression\u2014but you really need the <em>width<\/em> of these\u2014you need to tick a lot of boxes for it to eventually be classed as that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen there is length, which is how long it goes on for; in other words, a bad week\u2014that\u2019s not depression. This can go on two or three weeks; then you\u2019re beginning to look at depression\/anxiety. I often speak of them together because they often come together in a lot of cases. You\u2019ve got to look at the width, the depth, and the length before you really move from just ordinary sadness to: \u201cYes; a depression problem.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What was your wife\u2019s experience? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> The strange thing was she was actually a doctor. She was dealing a lot with people with depression; and yet, when it came into her own life, she didn\u2019t recognize it. She couldn\u2019t accept it; in fact, she went where I was going, too: \u201cThis must be a spiritual problem.\u201d We actually spent a year or more in, I would say, torture\u2014trying to find: \u201cWhat was the sin?\u201d \u201cWhat was the problem?\u201d \u201cWhere had she gone wrong?\u201d\u2014she more than me\u2014because I kind of like knew, from looking on from the outside, \u201cThis is <em>not<\/em> my wife. She\u2019s a godly woman; she\u2019s loves the Lord, and she lives for the Lord.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> But what did you see? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Well, I saw her just becoming eventually incapacitated: unable to work, unable to care for the kids, and unable to sleep\u2014crying a lot of the time. I would say to her, \u201cWhy are you crying? We\u2019re in a lovely congregation. God has given us lovely kids. Above all, you\u2019re married to <em>me<\/em>.\u201d [Laughter] She would say, \u201cDavid, all of these things are true; but I can\u2019t stop crying.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was really just <em>multiple<\/em> factors that eventually exhausted her body, which exhausted her mind, which exhausted her emotions; and the spiritual things we were focused on were <em>not<\/em> the <em>cause<\/em> but the <em>effect<\/em> of that depression. That was sort of a light bulb moment for us. Once we started focusing on the physical and the social, we really began to get some traction; her spiritual life began to revive again. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Now, you know this is something that there is a lot of\/kind of broad thinking on this subject. Some people would say, \u201cWell, you said it\u2019s not a spiritual issue; how can it not be a spiritual issue?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; there is a spiritual issue in every problem, to some degree or another; we can\u2019t separate the soul from the body. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>David:<\/strong> The question: \u201cIs there always a <em>primarily<\/em> spiritual cause?\u201d I believe is a mistake; but one I believe that, increasingly, Christians are seeing is a mistake. We don\u2019t <em>ignore<\/em> that side\u2014but we don\u2019t focus exclusively on either\u2014but try and take this holistic approach, looking at the physical, the emotional, the mental, the spiritual, the relational, and just trying to take that much more human approach. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Your new books are focused on how this is manifesting itself among adolescents\u2014one book for the teenager and another book for the parents. What\u2019s unique about anxiety and depression among adolescents? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> In some ways, there isn\u2019t anything unique; but we felt the books were required because, obviously, teen abilities to read and understand are different to an adult. Also, although there is a lot of overlap in many of the symptoms and causes, there are some <em>unique<\/em> aspects of being a teen, which really play into teen anxiety and depression as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And the stats you quote in the book are astronomical right now. Even the fact that the suicide rate is at a 30-year high\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I know. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014among teenagers; what\u2019s going on? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> It\u2019s heartbreaking, Dave. It\u2019s hard to talk about it without getting emotional about it\u2014you know?\u2014because I\u2019ve <em>seen<\/em> so many of these kids. It\u2019s a <em>dark<\/em> pit that something like 33 percent of teens will have an anxiety disorder. That\u2019s not just: \u201cI\u2019m feeling a wee-bit edgy\u201d; it\u2019s an actual incapacitating, overwhelming disorder. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> One-third. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> One-third. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Wow! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; and I think it reflects that there has been something <em>really<\/em> significant that shifted in our culture\/something big has happened\u2014or maybe more than one thing\u2014that is producing this. Depression stats\u2014it\u2019s in the realm of: 20 percent of teens, by the time they reach adulthood, will have had a clinical depression; so that\u2019s one in 5. You look at your kids; you look at your classes; you look at your churches; and you just go through, like, \u201c1, 2, 3, 4, <em>5<\/em>.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I was going to say, \u201cThat\u2019s scary.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; that is scary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That is scary to hear; as a parent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yet, it\u2019s strange; we never talk about that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Why is it higher now? Why are the stats higher? What\u2019s happening? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I use this little word, \u201cpits\u201d: P-I-T-S; because \u201cYou end up in the pits.\u201d I think the first one is \u201cPressure.\u201d The second one is \u201cInstability.\u201d The third one is \u201cTechnology,\u201d and the fourth one is \u201cSpirit\/Spiritual Problems.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPressure: teens are under just <em>incredible<\/em> pressure to perform today. I remember growing up\u2014I mean, I\u2019m 54\u2014so what?\u201430\/40 years ago\u2014I had exams twice a year, and I played in soccer; there was no training. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI look at my teens: and there are tests, and exams, and projects, and assignments every day\/every week for months, and months, and months. It\u2019s not just enough to play sport once a week; it\u2019s three times a week and four times a week. Then you\u2019ve got\u2014they\u2019ve got to get scholarships, and they\u2019ve got to be working. They\u2019ve got to be doing volunteer work, and they\u2019ve got to be involved in our church. I just think a lot of teens are being <em>crushed<\/em>. Some of it is parent-driven. Some of it is culture-driven\/school-driven. Some of it is themselves as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen the instability they are seeing all around them; but I think, especially post-9\/11, it\u2019s a very different world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Shootings in schools. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Shootings in schools; yes\u2014that\u2019s <em>massive<\/em>\u2014family and stability\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s the thing that came to mind for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> How many families are healthy, nurturing, intact families? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; even if you\u2019re in one, you\u2019re surrounded by breakups everywhere. Kids are worry: \u201cIs it going to be me next? Is it going to be our family next?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTechnology was the third one\u2014the \u201cT\u201d\u2014the digital overwhelm, which I think is hyper stimulation of a very tender teenage brain. They\u2019re not just up to this amount of stimulation and intensity. Brains need downtime\u2014they need quiet time; they need still time\u2014we are <em>exhausting<\/em> them. We never put our devices down; we can\u2019t stop at a red light without checking\u2014that\u2019s bad enough for adults\u2014but for a teen brain, that\u2019s just making connections and is being formed, the thing is very damaging; information overload on that front too. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur teens know like the worst things are going on the world as soon as they happen, 24\/7, with live video coverage. Things that\u2014I might have picked up the newspaper once a week when I was a teen, and I might have seen a little paragraph somewhere about the latest war disaster; now, it\u2019s just 24\/7 coverage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That tech world brings the first two into play as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> It does; it\u2019s all mixed up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Pressure and instability because I\u2019m comparing to my other friends and seeing what\u2019s happening in their homes\u2014and how perfect\u2014it never ends. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Social media. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s the depression part I thought of\u2014is that the comparison that is going on as you are looking on Instagram<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> or Facebook<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> and seeing: \u201cOh, my friends are this,\u201d and \u201cThat shot looks better,\u201d and \u201cThey\u2019ve got a boyfriend,\u201d and \u201cLife looks good for them; it doesn\u2019t feel good for me.\u201d That comparison is driving a lot of kids to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019m depressed listening to this. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> This is not the most uplifting of a broadcast; is it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> But it\u2019s enlightening. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Well, I think when people hear that, they begin to see, \u201cAha! That explains it.\u201d I think that\u2019s one of the worst things about anxiety and depression\u2014it feels like, \u201cThis came out of the blue,\u201d\u2014like\u2014\u201cI\u2019m a total victim.\u201d It\u2019s just inexplicable; none of us like that. We like to feel like there is cause and there is effect. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s, actually, a major element in healing when you understand the causes; because then you\u2019ve got something to get your hands on, and you can grab hold of, and say, \u201cOkay; this is <em>not<\/em> just like accidental or bad luck. There are some factors here that, if I understand the causes, then I can begin to look at some cures.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The \u201cS\u201d is the spiritual dimension? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> The spiritual dimension; yes. Again, it goes back to technology\u2014Dave, as you said, it\u2019s all mixed up\u2014the pornography issue is causing <em>huge<\/em> guilt and shame, which is devastating to kids\u2014and growth and development in every way\u2014but especially spiritually: it distances them from God; makes them not want to read their Bibles, don\u2019t want to pray, don\u2019t want to go to church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think if you also look at just the general spiritual and moral culture\u2014the relativism\/the multi-faith-ism\u2014it\u2019s very shaking to kids to have just, \u201cWell, if there\u2019s like a hundred people of a hundred different religions, how do I know mine is right?\u201d Maybe, as churches, we\u2019ve shut down questioning at times instead of <em>helping<\/em> teens with their questions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got answers; but unless we create a culture of: \u201cYou can ask the <em>worst<\/em> questions you can possibly imagine, and I\u2019m not going to drop dead in front of you,\u201d that\u2019s where we\u2019ve got to get to [in order] to help them process some of these spiritual questions\/spiritual doubts, which left unresolved, can cause a really deep-seated fear and anxiety. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Is there also the aspect\u2014again, I\u2019m thinking of the teenager\u2014maybe that is a part of a church or maybe going to youth group\u2014there\u2019s this stigma at that church, or in that youth group, or in that small group, \u201cYou can\u2019t talk about darkness or anxiety.\u201d You sort of put the mask on: \u201cBecause I\u2019m a church kid, I\u2019m good.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u201cHey, how you doin\u2019, Bob?\u201d \u201cOh, I\u2019m good.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And you may <em>really<\/em> be struggling with suicidal thoughts or, maybe, you\u2019ve got a porn problem that\u2019s caused you to doubt. You just hid all that, put on the mask, and that\u2019s not allowed to be talked about. Is that a part of the spiritual part too?\u2014because it\u2019s covered? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>They are living in darkness, but <em>nobody<\/em> knows; because they are not supposed to share weakness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; you are absolutely right. I think this is especially where youth pastors have a <em>tremendous<\/em> responsibility, as well as opportunity\u2014instead of every event being: \u201cLet\u2019s cheer everyone up,\u201d\u2014no: \u201cLet\u2019s be real; let\u2019s just be honest with one another. We\u2019re <em>not<\/em> all good; we\u2019re <em>not<\/em> all happy; we\u2019re <em>not<\/em> all at peace. Let\u2019s talk about that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019ve heard you talk about environmental and emotional contributors, spiritual contributors. You haven\u2019t brought up the biological or the medical sides of this. Again, there is debate on some of this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And you\u2019re married to a doctor; right? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If a teenager is experiencing depression, does that mean there is something going on in their brain? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; when I\u2019m talking about P.I.T.S, we were talking about the cultural factors playing into depression there; but yes; there is definitely a physical element in many depressions. Here is the best way I\u2019ve found to illustrate this. If you\u2019re out in the woods one day, and you meet a bear, our flight or fight system switches on. Our adrenaline and cortisol pumps into our bodies. We\u2014our blood thickens; our muscles get stronger; our senses get more acute and sensitive\u2014why does this happen? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, it\u2019s a God-given survival system God has given us so that, when we do face danger, we can either fight it and win or run away and win; or if the bear does get us, well, the blood\u2019s thickened up, and hopefully, we wouldn\u2019t bleed out; you know? [Laughter]This is a good thing\u2014the fight or flight system is a good thing\/our stress response system\u2014but it should switch off after about 20 minutes. Ether you\u2019ve beaten the bear, you\u2019ve run away from the bear, or you\u2019re in the bear\u2019s stomach. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe problem is sometimes that system stays switched on; or it switches on for no good reason whatsoever; or maybe, after many traumas, difficulties, challenges, stresses for a long period of time, it\u2019s heightened. It\u2019s not exactly bear level, but it\u2019s not at chill level. This is very unhealthy for our bodies, because these are bad chemicals in big doses. They eventually start affecting our brain, our nervous system, our blood, our oxygen levels. It\u2019s like, almost, you sitting in your car, with your foot on the accelerator, revs at the highest level. What is eventually going to happen? That car is going to eventually fall apart. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> When we\u2019re putting our teenagers under all this pressure; they are feeling this instability; they are being overwhelmed with technology\u2014hyper stimulated and keyed up all the time by that\u2014and the spiritual challenges\u2014you put all that together, and you\u2019ve got kids, who are in constant fight-or-flight mode. The stress response system is up there all the time, and it\u2019s never down. Eventually, that wears and tears on the body; and the brain, initially, with anxiety; and then, when everything crashes, you plummet into depression. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s involuntary; right? I mean, the fight and flight\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014so if I am a teenager or an adult, and I\u2019m in fight and flight, and I can\u2019t stop it\u2014I feel like somebody is pushing the accelerator, and it\u2019s not me\u2014what do I do? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Well, I think that\u2019s where sympathy has to come in; isn\u2019t it? We don\u2019t come to our teens and condemn them or critique them. We want to have compassion. We want to say, \u201cThis is an awful experience. This is not necessarily your fault. There are many factors that have played into this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know one young woman\u2014she had four bereavements in her family in one year. You know, that\u2019s four great losses\/four great stresses. If you weren\u2019t depressed and anxious at the end of that, that would a miracle. That\u2019s <em>normal<\/em>, not abnormal\u2014I like to call it normal abnormality. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, if a kid is deliberately exposing themselves to hyper stimulation\u2014like horror movies, gory video games, the worst media pornography\u2014then yes, you\u2019ve got to hold your hands up and say, \u201cOkay; I\u2019ve got a degree of guilt here.\u201d We can deal with that: we can bring that to the cross; we can get that removed and give you a fresh start, by the grace of God and the atonement of Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo whatever\u2014whether you are to blame or not to blame\u2014there are ways forward out of this. I think that\u2019s the overall message I hope that we\u2019ll get across today in our discussion\u2014that: \u201cBad though the problems are, God has provided <em>multiple<\/em> solutions.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We want to spend some time dealing with those solutions. I think we\u2019ve illuminated the problem today, and we\u2019re going to continue the conversation and talk about the solutions. That\u2019s where you go in the book you\u2019ve written for teenagers and the one you\u2019ve written for parents. The teenagers\u2019 book is called <em>Why Am I Feeling Like This?: A Teen's Guide to Freedom from Anxiety and Depression<\/em>; and then there is a book for\u00a0 parents, <em>Why Is My Teenager Feeling Like This?<\/em>, to help <em>you<\/em> understand what\u2019s going on with your teen and to help prepare you to walk the path <em>with<\/em> them that leads them to a better place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>We\u2019ve got copies of both of David\u2019s books in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order them from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get your copy of either or both of these books. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order <em>Why Am I Feeling Like This?<\/em>, the book on anxiety and depression for teens, or <em>Why Is My Teenager Feeling Like This?<\/em>; or you can call to order: 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800 \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to take just a minute and express how grateful we are for <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners who do more than just listen. I\u2019m talking specifically about the <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners, who have made today\u2019s program possible, either as monthly Legacy Partners or as people who, from time to time, will make a donation in support of the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We could not do what we do if it weren\u2019t for your generosity and your support. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve heard from a number of listeners this week, who have contacted us to say, \u201cWe want to extend the reach of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> through our donation.\u201d I think part of the reason why is we are making available, as a thank-you gift, for these listeners a copy of Dale Kreienkamp\u2019s book\/a devotional guide for people who are unemployed. It\u2019s called <em>How Long, O Lord, How Long?<\/em> And many of you, who have called, have said you are getting this book as a gift to give to someone you know, who is recently unemployed or has been dealing with unemployment in 2020. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Again, Dale\u2019s book is our way of saying, \u201cThank you,\u201d this week when you help extend the reach of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> through your donations. You can donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a donation. Thanks, in advance, for your support; and I hope the book is helpful for you or for whoever you wind up passing it on to. We appreciate hearing from you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you can join us back tomorrow. We\u2019re going to continue our conversation with David Murray about anxiety and depression among teens and young adults. We\u2019re going to talk about the various means of grace God has made available to help us deal with these emotional and spiritual issues in our lives. I hope you can tune in for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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