{"id":306496,"date":"2020-10-24T07:00:05","date_gmt":"2020-10-24T11:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/children-parents-and-school-during-a-pandemic\/"},"modified":"2020-10-24T07:00:05","modified_gmt":"2020-10-24T11:00:05","slug":"children-parents-and-school-during-a-pandemic","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-this-week\/children-parents-and-school-during-a-pandemic\/","title":{"rendered":"Children, Parents, and School During a Pandemic"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Hear how three moms, Tracy Lane, Gina Flood, and Shannon Simmons, who come from different backgrounds came to different decisions for educating each of their children.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/d2c17sq0nj1f7e.cloudfront.net\/flw2020-10-24.mp3","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:28:00","filesize":"25.64M","filesize_raw":"26883267","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2853],"tags":[6960],"podcast_series":[],"cwp_profile":[3579,3259],"series":[10388],"class_list":["post-306496","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","hentry","category-frazzled-family","tag-pandemic","cwp_profile-shannon-simmons","cwp_profile-tracy-lane","series-familylife-this-week"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":false,"episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/10\/FLTW-Podcast-Cover-2-1400x1400-1-300x300-1.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/dts.podtrac.com\/redirect.mp3\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/306496\/children-parents-and-school-during-a-pandemic","player_link":"https:\/\/dts.podtrac.com\/redirect.mp3\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/306496\/children-parents-and-school-during-a-pandemic","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-this-week","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"Z9a24lczb3\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-this-week\/children-parents-and-school-during-a-pandemic\/\">Children, Parents, and School During a Pandemic<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-this-week\/children-parents-and-school-during-a-pandemic\/embed\/#?secret=Z9a24lczb3\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Children, Parents, and School During a Pandemic&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"Z9a24lczb3\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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But this year, Tracy Lane and her husband Matt had a <em>hard<\/em> choice to make.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> All of the decisions about going to back school\u2014pandemic, hybrid, in-person instruction, virtual learning\u2014all of those things came into play. Again, we didn\u2019t feel great about having them not go to the school that they had been at; but we didn\u2019t see how our finances could work, so what are you going to do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> School decisions during the pandemic with three moms, including Tracy Lane, today on <em>FamilyLife This Week.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week.<\/em> I\u2019m Michelle Hill. You know, a little while ago, I saw this meme on social media; it goes like this: \u201cI will teach you in a room; I will teach you now on Zoom; I will teach you in your house; I will teach you with a mouse; I will teach you here and there; I will teach you, because I care.\u201d Have you guys seen that? That came out probably the beginning of September as all the kids were going back to school. But wait! Not all the kids went back to school; did they?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, these last six months are nothing like we could have anticipated or, frankly, anything that we ever thought we would have to walk through. Yet, you\u2019ve faced it\u2014you\u2019ve had to work from home for a bit and, maybe, you\u2019re still there\u2014but you\u2019ve conquered it; right? I mean, you\u2019re still there, which is a very good thing!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, I have a friend, who homeschools their children; it\u2019s what works best for her and her kids. She was looking forward to putting <em>all<\/em> the kids back in school. She had homeschooled for a little while; and now, they were <em>all<\/em> going to school. But the threat of COVID means the littlest one is at home, while the other two are in a hybrid school; meaning, that they go on Tuesdays and Thursdays, not five days a week, which means that my friend is having to learn how to flex\/flex a muscle that she didn\u2019t want to strain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tToday, I want to talk about schooling. Are you discouraged?\u2014you\u2019re not alone. Today, I\u2019m going to talk with three moms in different corners of the country. All three are facing different ways of looking at their children\u2019s education this fall. The first one is Gina Flood. Some of you have met Gina before; she has been a guest on my show. Gina and Rob have six children: two serve in the military; one is in her senior year of school, doing a hybrid with college; she has two in middle school and high school, and they\u2019re working from home\u2014they decided to do the Zoom education this year. And that brings us to little Jenny. Jenny has some special health considerations; she has Downs syndrome. Gina and Rob had to take that into account as they made the decision whether or not to send Jenny to school.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> It was a really hard decision. It was really a prayerful decision that was coupled with a lot of discussion between Rob, my husband, and myself, and many conversations with physicians. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA couple of years ago, I had three people in my house with pneumonia, and she was the only one on oxygen for three days in the hospital. I just thought, \u201cAre we being responsible? Are we loving her by putting her in a building?\u201d It was such a strange thing to work through; because educationally, it was a no-brainer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> We did Zoom special-ed preschool during the quarantine, and it wasn\u2019t good for adults; it wasn\u2019t good for students. [Laughter] It was so not good for Jenny! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was really a prayerful, teary, make pros-and-cons lists, have lots of walks around the neighborhood with Rob, and getting as much information we could, and then making that decision. People all over the world are having to make those kinds of decisions. We\u2019re all trying to figure out: \u201cWhat do we do with our children?\u201d and \u201cHow do we address the gap that could be created for what they might be losing?\u2014and what they may not be gaining through this year?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have to go back to what we know about God. We have to go back to remembering Who He is, what He has done, and that He is trustworthy; and then, also, being prudent and being wise! \u201cAre we being the most prudent\/the most conservative?\u201d\u2014I have no idea! We\u2019re doing the best that we can with the direction that God has given us to go in. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRight now, He\u2019s told us that she needs to be in school; and we\u2019re trusting Him with that, for whatever that means. Putting her in school does not guarantee her safety; it does not guarantee her life. Keeping her home doesn\u2019t guarantee her safety; it doesn\u2019t guarantee her life. If she is where God wants her to be, then she is in the safest place she can be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s Gina Flood. We know that, when we are in God\u2019s perfect will\/when we are where He wants us, that\u2019s the safest place, not only for our children, but also for us. That is the <em>best<\/em> place to be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, making this decision for school for fall 2020 is very difficult. It\u2019s been difficult for <em>all<\/em> parents to have to work through this. You\u2019re probably saying, \u201cUh, yes, Michelle! There were many discussions; many prayerful nights, and we still don\u2019t know what we\u2019re doing.\u201d That\u2019s a hard place to be; because right now, there are many options on the table. That\u2019s exactly where my friend, Tracy Lane, and her husband Matt were, just a little over a month ago. Here\u2019s Tracy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> All of the decisions about going back to school\u2014pandemic, hybrid, in-person instruction, virtual learning\u2014all of those things came into play. We just really, really prayed together, as a couple, that we would make the right decision for our kids. We, again, didn\u2019t feel great about having them not go to the school that they had been at; but we didn\u2019t see how our finances could work, so what are you going to do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> We kind of just moved forward with what we thought were the necessary steps\u2014talked to our local free school; we talked with their current private school, where they had been, about what we were facing\u2014and the decisions, and the finances\u2014also, because we have a lot of medical bills this year that were not anticipated. The medical bills that we were getting every month were <em>exactly<\/em> their private school tuition that we had been paying last year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we took this information to their school\u2014\u201cWe\u2019re not going to be able to afford this year, because now we just have all of these different variables that we did not anticipate,\u201d\u2014and as we continued to pray about it, just through answered prayers and God\u2019s specific financial provision\u2014and with what the school was able to come back with us, based around some financial aid\u2014we were able to keep them at their same school. That was just something that we needed in terms of them going back to school anyway. Having a new baby, who will need some special care when he\u2019s born, having the kids be in a routine for them\u2014for us, that was a non-negotiable\u2014we didn\u2019t see how we were going to make it if they weren\u2019t back in school. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s not easy; it\u2019s not the norm. Today, Audrey, in 3<sup>rd<\/sup> grade, had to wear her neck gator. The school gave them mascot neck gators for everyone to wear. [Laughter] Maybe that\u2019s more fun?!\u2014I don\u2019t know. [Laughter] But she proudly wore it. Parents cannot go in; all drop-off at the door. The kids will eat lunch in their classroom; their classes are much smaller. The desks are very far apart\u2014all kinds of safety protocols\u2014but still, my girls were <em>so excited<\/em> to go today and be back in their normal rhythm. They got up at like 5:30! [Laughter] They don\u2019t usually wake up at 5:30, but today they did!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u201cWe get to see our friends! We get to see our teachers! We get to do all of that!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> They were so, so glad.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> This was not a popular decision among family and friends for you. Obviously, you know that this is what God has for you guys; but what are you facing, relationally, otherwise? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> Yes; well, there are a lot of differing perspectives on whether or not a school should open. All of the public schools around here chose not to open. Most of our friends\u2019 kids go to public school. They\u2019re all looking at, \u201cHow do we do this? How do we juggle this?\u201d That was a question we were asking, too, when we didn\u2019t know what it was going to be! They\u2019re facing different challenges now when I got to drop my kids off at school today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> I work remotely, with people in different states. Different states have <em>very<\/em> different ideas on what is or isn\u2019t normal, based on whatever your governor might decide. And even across that, so many of us working in different states have different situations that we\u2019re facing with our kids now. Again, I\u2019m sitting in a quiet room talking to you, because my kids went back to school today. So many of my peers and co-workers don\u2019t have what we would say is that luxury or even that option of health and well-being for their children to go into the routine that\u2019s so good for them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur daughter is someone who would be considered high risk; she actually got a mask exemption because of her cardiac condition. Even though masks are required for the other 500 elementary students, here\u2019s Annie, hopping out of the car without a mask. [Laughter] You know, that even made her feel a little different.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> It\u2019s what she needs; it\u2019s what her doctor says, and he\u2019s not concerned about her exposure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are <em>so many<\/em> things that all of us can compare to each other on and judge each other for. You know, some people are quicker to do that; because that\u2019s easier than putting your energy toward what\u2019s going on at your own house. At the same time, I understand the inequity; the feeling of that is difficult. I\u2019m thankful that I got to drop my kids off today. I have no idea if, in November, I still will; I don\u2019t know what the fall will hold for school openings and closures.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYes! People are very opinionated, as I\u2019m sure we\u2019ve all found, about these issues\u2014and especially people, like for our family\u2014very well-meaning for Annie: \u201cIs it a wise decision to send her?\u201d \u201cHave you talked to her doctor?\u201d \u201cAre you <em>sure<\/em>?\u201d \u201cShe\u2019s not going to wear her mask? Isn\u2019t she going to get sick?\u201d All these questions\u2014again, well-meaning\u2014but questions that we had to answer, and we\u2019re the only ones who can live with. It\u2019s been a challenge\u2014all the back-to-school conversations.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s Tracy Lane, talking about the difficult decision that they made and their journey over the last couple of months of sending their two daughters to school. It is hard! There were people who did not agree with their decision. As Tracy said\u2014and even, maybe, <em>you\u2019re<\/em> sitting there right now\u2014and someone judged <em>you<\/em> for the decision you made. That decision is between you and God; it\u2019s a decision you are making for your child, so do it prayerfully.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, we need to take a break; but when we come back, we\u2019re going to continue talking about school and about our children. We\u2019re going to hear from one mom, who has a very different take on all of this. Stay tuned; I\u2019ll be back in two minutes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Radio Station Spot Break]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMichelle:\u00a0Welcome back to\u00a0FamilyLife This Week. I'm Michelle Hill. We\u2019re talking today about the climate that we find ourselves in\u2014that climate of discord that seems to have blanketed our entire nation. I\u2019m talking specifically about the climate of how our children are being schooled. Many children are being schooled in a way that maybe you, as a parent, did not foresee coming. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember talking with my good friend, Shannon Simmons, last year. She works here at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> on the FamilyLife Blended<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> team. She was <em>happy<\/em>! She thought things were perfect, because her middle school children were going to school right across the street. She could easily drop them off on her way to work, and she could easily pick them up. If she still had some work to do, they would come and sit at the office; if not, they would all go home. It was perfect as she said, \u201cIt was perfection.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut this year, there was a move. Shannon and her husband Roosevelt made a cross-country move down to Florida, and the school options have <em>totally<\/em> changed. Here\u2019s Shannon.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> Currently, my kids are upstairs. One is on one laptop; one is on the other laptop. They are doing virtual school. I have established myself as a homeschooling parent; meaning, I am responsible for their education with those laptops in that program that they\u2019re on; so totally different! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You\u2019re a working mom;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> I am.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014you\u2019re a homeschooling mom. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> I am! [Laughter] That doesn\u2019t normally go together, but yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> And you\u2019re working from home: you\u2019re a working-from-home mom!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> Correct.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> What is it like in your household? Is it chaotic during the day, or is it peaceful during the day?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> It can go one or the other on any given day. It\u2019s a roller coaster every day. Coming in, in the morning, it can be kind of quiet; first of all, because we haven\u2019t established a rhythm yet. We\u2019ve been in our townhome for a month. We\u2019ve still got nooks and crannies with a couple of boxes\u2014you know?\u2014so we\u2019re not even settled. It\u2019s still a house; it\u2019s not necessarily a home yet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt can be quiet coming in as I go to log in. My husband is an early riser, so he\u2019s already up. While he\u2019s on his work calls, I can hear it. I go to my little desk area, which is in an open space\u2014a little nook right between the living room and the kitchen\u2014then I hear my kids doing what they\u2019re doing. Then they come down and, usually if I\u2019m on a call, they\u2019re walking past. I don\u2019t know why; but for some reason, they think if they kind of tiptoe, they won\u2019t be seen [on the screen]. I don\u2019t understand; because it\u2019s like, \u201cThey can still see you! It\u2019s okay; just walk normally.\u201d [Laughter] Yes, sometimes one can be in the kitchen; sometimes one will be in their room; sometimes my daughter will go outside to the patio; so we\u2019re all over the place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> How are you trusting God with them in the midst of a pandemic\/the culture\u2019s in unrest\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014every day we wake up, and there is something new;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014there is something that has gone wrong\u2014how do you trust God with your children?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> That\u2019s a hard question. I could give you a really good former pastor\u2019s wife church answer; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> And in my past life, I would give you that right now; but if I were to be really honest and very transparent with you, which is what I normally am\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> \u2014I would say, \u201cI don\u2019t, and that\u2019s the struggle.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI lived in, you know, Central Standard Time in Arkansas most of my life. Now I\u2019m on Eastern Standard Time, here in Florida. My sleep cycle is awful; I haven\u2019t been sleeping well. I was telling Roosevelt earlier yesterday, \u201cI think I\u2019m worrying myself to sleep.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m worrying; so I go to God: \u201cFather, these are my worries; these are my cares. I cast them on You, because You care for me.\u201d I go down the list, and I keep going; I keep going: \u201cI give that to You; in the name of Jesus I pray; amen.\u201d And then there\u2019s another worry\u2014and I chase that worry\u2014and I chase it. I am worrying and praying at the same time in the presence of God; that is what I\u2019m doing. You could call that: \u201cI\u2019m wrestling\u201d; you could call that \u201cI\u2019m surrendering and taking back,\u201d\u2014whatever it is\u2014that\u2019s where God has me right now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> So the question, \u201cHow do you trust God?\u201d\u2014I do, and then I don\u2019t; and then I do, and then I don\u2019t. It is a <em>daily<\/em> for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Oh, it\u2019s a total daily, I think, for most of us right now. Every day, I say, \u201cGod, I trust You right now; help me to trust You tomorrow.\u201d I think everything in the Christian life is a daily thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Thank you for being so open and transparent about that, because we need to know that others are struggling, too,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014and that we continually take it to Jesus and say, \u201cOkay, Jesus, I lay it at Your feet.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It\u2019s <em>hard<\/em> to continue laying that down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo how can someone, like me, pray for you and the other moms who are listening, who are like, \u201cHa! I\u2019m exactly in Shannon\u2019s boat!\u201d? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> I would say pray that we won\u2019t miss what God is doing in our hearts during the process of all of this. You know, I have other moms, who are teachers\u2014moms who are helping their kids virtual school\u2014all of it seems so unfair. I want you to think about the people, who are involved in all of this\u2014you have administrators, teachers, parents, and students. The administrators are making decisions for all of the other three: the parents, the teachers, and students.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> The three groups, now\u2014the parents, the teachers, and the students\u2014are doing the best they can just to not drown in it all\u2014all of these things you have to do!\u2014you\u2019ve got to log in; you\u2019ve got to\u2014you know, I have a kid with special needs; I have a son diagnosed with autism when he was two. He needs more interaction and face to face\u2014he really needs that. He\u2019s asked me several times since we got here, \u201cCan I just drop out? Can I be a high school dropout?\u201d [Laughter] I\u2019m like, \u201cNo, Reese, you cannot; okay?\u201d But that\u2019s how he\u2019s feeling; it\u2019s like, \u201cI can\u2019t do this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou cannot win this; so if you know you cannot win this, you might as well just stay on the struggle bus and ride it out. See what the Holy Spirit is trying to do in your heart; because maybe He is trying to mold you into something else. Maybe He\u2019s trying to prune away that sense of control that you think you have. Maybe He\u2019s trying to remove that sense of perfection that you feel like you have to perform to and reach. Stay on the struggle bus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say to just pray for the moms and the parents, and the educators, and the students, who are trying to fight against what\u2019s happening. I know, for me, even back in March, when everything was going on, and we were doing crisis school, I didn\u2019t want to accept it; I was like, \u201cSurely this is about to end!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> So I wouldn\u2019t engage; I didn\u2019t rise to the occasion; I couldn\u2019t. I was working from home; my husband was working from home; and I don\u2019t know <em>what <\/em>my kids were doing! [Laughter] I didn\u2019t want to accept it\u2014like: \u201cThis is not the new normal; I refuse! No!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut you\u2019ve got to stay on the struggle bus and see where God is leading us while we\u2019re on it. We can\u2019t get off; we\u2019ve got to just see where He\u2019s taking us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Shannon Simmons, being so vulnerable and transparent; she\u2019s walking a hard road. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs you listen to all three of those women, you might be thinking, \u201cOh, one of those has it right\u201d; or \u201cOne of those\u2014no, she\u2019s not thinking right\u201d; or you might be going, \u201cThat\u2019s exactly who I am.\u201d Whichever one you are, remember what Tracy said: \u201cIt\u2019s not about right or wrong; it\u2019s not about judging each other; it\u2019s where you are before God, and what God is asking you to do.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, we have to get through this together! If you see someone on the struggle bus, like Shannon, hold up her arms like Aaron held up Moses\u2019 arms. Hold up her arms and pray for her! You know, you could be like Job\u2019s friends\u2014but maybe not\u2014maybe that\u2019s not a good idea. Remember the verse that\u2019s usually used at weddings? There\u2019s a verse in Ecclesiastes\u2014in Ecclesiastes 4: \u201cTwo are better than one, because they have a good return for their labor. If either of them falls down, one can help the other up; but pity the one who falls and has no one to help them up.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m going to say this again: \u201cWe\u2019re going to <em>all <\/em>get through this <em>together<\/em>!\u201d That\u2019s the only way we\u2019re going to get <em>through<\/em> these difficult times. We\u2019re in different contexts: school\u2014some are open; some are not; and some are in a hybrid thing; others are at home. Your home looks different, and it <em>feels<\/em> different. And then there\u2019s church: some are meeting; some are not; some require masks; and some do not. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe live in a time when we all have an opinion about everything under the sun. Let\u2019s dial back that rancor, dial back that shouting, and give some grace during this time. Remember 1 Corinthians 13?\u2014remember what love is?\u2014\u201cLove is patient. Love is kind. It does not envy. It does not boast. It is not proud. It is not rude. It\u2019s not self-seeking. It is not easily angered. It keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s an older, wiser woman in my life. Whenever I go to her with these gut-wrenching, hard things, she listens and she nods her head. She sighs with me, and she even cries with me. She\u2019s patient with me; and then she says, \u201cOkay, dear; it\u2019s time to dry your eyes. It\u2019s time to praise Jesus.\u201d In all of this\u2014in all of these gut-wrenching decisions, in all of these hard prayers, in all of the tears, in all that you\u2019re going through\u2014and maybe it\u2019s a sunny day everywhere you are\u2014but in all of it, praise Jesus. He is the only One who is going to get us through this storm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, my friend Tracy Lane, who we just heard from a few minutes ago? Well, when we talked, she was nine months pregnant. She has since had a beautiful baby boy. The whole family is <em>so excited<\/em> to welcome Davis home. But at first, Tracy had reservations\/a lot of reservations. Next week, Tracy shares the long journey God took her on to accept and love baby Davis. I hope you can join us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThanks for listening. I want to thank the president of FamilyLife, David Robbins, along with our station partners around the country. 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But this year, Tracy Lane and her husband Matt had a <em>hard<\/em> choice to make.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> All of the decisions about going to back school\u2014pandemic, hybrid, in-person instruction, virtual learning\u2014all of those things came into play. Again, we didn\u2019t feel great about having them not go to the school that they had been at; but we didn\u2019t see how our finances could work, so what are you going to do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> School decisions during the pandemic with three moms, including Tracy Lane, today on <em>FamilyLife This Week.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week.<\/em> I\u2019m Michelle Hill. You know, a little while ago, I saw this meme on social media; it goes like this: \u201cI will teach you in a room; I will teach you now on Zoom; I will teach you in your house; I will teach you with a mouse; I will teach you here and there; I will teach you, because I care.\u201d Have you guys seen that? That came out probably the beginning of September as all the kids were going back to school. But wait! Not all the kids went back to school; did they?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, these last six months are nothing like we could have anticipated or, frankly, anything that we ever thought we would have to walk through. Yet, you\u2019ve faced it\u2014you\u2019ve had to work from home for a bit and, maybe, you\u2019re still there\u2014but you\u2019ve conquered it; right? I mean, you\u2019re still there, which is a very good thing!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, I have a friend, who homeschools their children; it\u2019s what works best for her and her kids. She was looking forward to putting <em>all<\/em> the kids back in school. She had homeschooled for a little while; and now, they were <em>all<\/em> going to school. But the threat of COVID means the littlest one is at home, while the other two are in a hybrid school; meaning, that they go on Tuesdays and Thursdays, not five days a week, which means that my friend is having to learn how to flex\/flex a muscle that she didn\u2019t want to strain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tToday, I want to talk about schooling. Are you discouraged?\u2014you\u2019re not alone. Today, I\u2019m going to talk with three moms in different corners of the country. All three are facing different ways of looking at their children\u2019s education this fall. The first one is Gina Flood. Some of you have met Gina before; she has been a guest on my show. Gina and Rob have six children: two serve in the military; one is in her senior year of school, doing a hybrid with college; she has two in middle school and high school, and they\u2019re working from home\u2014they decided to do the Zoom education this year. And that brings us to little Jenny. Jenny has some special health considerations; she has Downs syndrome. Gina and Rob had to take that into account as they made the decision whether or not to send Jenny to school.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> It was a really hard decision. It was really a prayerful decision that was coupled with a lot of discussion between Rob, my husband, and myself, and many conversations with physicians. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA couple of years ago, I had three people in my house with pneumonia, and she was the only one on oxygen for three days in the hospital. I just thought, \u201cAre we being responsible? Are we loving her by putting her in a building?\u201d It was such a strange thing to work through; because educationally, it was a no-brainer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> We did Zoom special-ed preschool during the quarantine, and it wasn\u2019t good for adults; it wasn\u2019t good for students. [Laughter] It was so not good for Jenny! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was really a prayerful, teary, make pros-and-cons lists, have lots of walks around the neighborhood with Rob, and getting as much information we could, and then making that decision. People all over the world are having to make those kinds of decisions. We\u2019re all trying to figure out: \u201cWhat do we do with our children?\u201d and \u201cHow do we address the gap that could be created for what they might be losing?\u2014and what they may not be gaining through this year?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have to go back to what we know about God. We have to go back to remembering Who He is, what He has done, and that He is trustworthy; and then, also, being prudent and being wise! \u201cAre we being the most prudent\/the most conservative?\u201d\u2014I have no idea! We\u2019re doing the best that we can with the direction that God has given us to go in. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRight now, He\u2019s told us that she needs to be in school; and we\u2019re trusting Him with that, for whatever that means. Putting her in school does not guarantee her safety; it does not guarantee her life. Keeping her home doesn\u2019t guarantee her safety; it doesn\u2019t guarantee her life. If she is where God wants her to be, then she is in the safest place she can be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s Gina Flood. We know that, when we are in God\u2019s perfect will\/when we are where He wants us, that\u2019s the safest place, not only for our children, but also for us. That is the <em>best<\/em> place to be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, making this decision for school for fall 2020 is very difficult. It\u2019s been difficult for <em>all<\/em> parents to have to work through this. You\u2019re probably saying, \u201cUh, yes, Michelle! There were many discussions; many prayerful nights, and we still don\u2019t know what we\u2019re doing.\u201d That\u2019s a hard place to be; because right now, there are many options on the table. That\u2019s exactly where my friend, Tracy Lane, and her husband Matt were, just a little over a month ago. Here\u2019s Tracy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> All of the decisions about going back to school\u2014pandemic, hybrid, in-person instruction, virtual learning\u2014all of those things came into play. We just really, really prayed together, as a couple, that we would make the right decision for our kids. We, again, didn\u2019t feel great about having them not go to the school that they had been at; but we didn\u2019t see how our finances could work, so what are you going to do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> We kind of just moved forward with what we thought were the necessary steps\u2014talked to our local free school; we talked with their current private school, where they had been, about what we were facing\u2014and the decisions, and the finances\u2014also, because we have a lot of medical bills this year that were not anticipated. The medical bills that we were getting every month were <em>exactly<\/em> their private school tuition that we had been paying last year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we took this information to their school\u2014\u201cWe\u2019re not going to be able to afford this year, because now we just have all of these different variables that we did not anticipate,\u201d\u2014and as we continued to pray about it, just through answered prayers and God\u2019s specific financial provision\u2014and with what the school was able to come back with us, based around some financial aid\u2014we were able to keep them at their same school. That was just something that we needed in terms of them going back to school anyway. Having a new baby, who will need some special care when he\u2019s born, having the kids be in a routine for them\u2014for us, that was a non-negotiable\u2014we didn\u2019t see how we were going to make it if they weren\u2019t back in school. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s not easy; it\u2019s not the norm. Today, Audrey, in 3<sup>rd<\/sup> grade, had to wear her neck gator. The school gave them mascot neck gators for everyone to wear. [Laughter] Maybe that\u2019s more fun?!\u2014I don\u2019t know. [Laughter] But she proudly wore it. Parents cannot go in; all drop-off at the door. The kids will eat lunch in their classroom; their classes are much smaller. The desks are very far apart\u2014all kinds of safety protocols\u2014but still, my girls were <em>so excited<\/em> to go today and be back in their normal rhythm. They got up at like 5:30! [Laughter] They don\u2019t usually wake up at 5:30, but today they did!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u201cWe get to see our friends! We get to see our teachers! We get to do all of that!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> They were so, so glad.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> This was not a popular decision among family and friends for you. Obviously, you know that this is what God has for you guys; but what are you facing, relationally, otherwise? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> Yes; well, there are a lot of differing perspectives on whether or not a school should open. All of the public schools around here chose not to open. Most of our friends\u2019 kids go to public school. They\u2019re all looking at, \u201cHow do we do this? How do we juggle this?\u201d That was a question we were asking, too, when we didn\u2019t know what it was going to be! They\u2019re facing different challenges now when I got to drop my kids off at school today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> I work remotely, with people in different states. Different states have <em>very<\/em> different ideas on what is or isn\u2019t normal, based on whatever your governor might decide. And even across that, so many of us working in different states have different situations that we\u2019re facing with our kids now. Again, I\u2019m sitting in a quiet room talking to you, because my kids went back to school today. So many of my peers and co-workers don\u2019t have what we would say is that luxury or even that option of health and well-being for their children to go into the routine that\u2019s so good for them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur daughter is someone who would be considered high risk; she actually got a mask exemption because of her cardiac condition. Even though masks are required for the other 500 elementary students, here\u2019s Annie, hopping out of the car without a mask. [Laughter] You know, that even made her feel a little different.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> It\u2019s what she needs; it\u2019s what her doctor says, and he\u2019s not concerned about her exposure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are <em>so many<\/em> things that all of us can compare to each other on and judge each other for. You know, some people are quicker to do that; because that\u2019s easier than putting your energy toward what\u2019s going on at your own house. At the same time, I understand the inequity; the feeling of that is difficult. I\u2019m thankful that I got to drop my kids off today. I have no idea if, in November, I still will; I don\u2019t know what the fall will hold for school openings and closures.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYes! People are very opinionated, as I\u2019m sure we\u2019ve all found, about these issues\u2014and especially people, like for our family\u2014very well-meaning for Annie: \u201cIs it a wise decision to send her?\u201d \u201cHave you talked to her doctor?\u201d \u201cAre you <em>sure<\/em>?\u201d \u201cShe\u2019s not going to wear her mask? Isn\u2019t she going to get sick?\u201d All these questions\u2014again, well-meaning\u2014but questions that we had to answer, and we\u2019re the only ones who can live with. It\u2019s been a challenge\u2014all the back-to-school conversations.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s Tracy Lane, talking about the difficult decision that they made and their journey over the last couple of months of sending their two daughters to school. It is hard! There were people who did not agree with their decision. As Tracy said\u2014and even, maybe, <em>you\u2019re<\/em> sitting there right now\u2014and someone judged <em>you<\/em> for the decision you made. That decision is between you and God; it\u2019s a decision you are making for your child, so do it prayerfully.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, we need to take a break; but when we come back, we\u2019re going to continue talking about school and about our children. We\u2019re going to hear from one mom, who has a very different take on all of this. Stay tuned; I\u2019ll be back in two minutes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Radio Station Spot Break]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMichelle:\u00a0Welcome back to\u00a0FamilyLife This Week. I'm Michelle Hill. We\u2019re talking today about the climate that we find ourselves in\u2014that climate of discord that seems to have blanketed our entire nation. I\u2019m talking specifically about the climate of how our children are being schooled. Many children are being schooled in a way that maybe you, as a parent, did not foresee coming. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember talking with my good friend, Shannon Simmons, last year. She works here at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> on the FamilyLife Blended<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> team. She was <em>happy<\/em>! She thought things were perfect, because her middle school children were going to school right across the street. She could easily drop them off on her way to work, and she could easily pick them up. If she still had some work to do, they would come and sit at the office; if not, they would all go home. It was perfect as she said, \u201cIt was perfection.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut this year, there was a move. Shannon and her husband Roosevelt made a cross-country move down to Florida, and the school options have <em>totally<\/em> changed. Here\u2019s Shannon.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> Currently, my kids are upstairs. One is on one laptop; one is on the other laptop. They are doing virtual school. I have established myself as a homeschooling parent; meaning, I am responsible for their education with those laptops in that program that they\u2019re on; so totally different! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You\u2019re a working mom;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> I am.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014you\u2019re a homeschooling mom. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> I am! [Laughter] That doesn\u2019t normally go together, but yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> And you\u2019re working from home: you\u2019re a working-from-home mom!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> Correct.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> What is it like in your household? Is it chaotic during the day, or is it peaceful during the day?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> It can go one or the other on any given day. It\u2019s a roller coaster every day. Coming in, in the morning, it can be kind of quiet; first of all, because we haven\u2019t established a rhythm yet. We\u2019ve been in our townhome for a month. We\u2019ve still got nooks and crannies with a couple of boxes\u2014you know?\u2014so we\u2019re not even settled. It\u2019s still a house; it\u2019s not necessarily a home yet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt can be quiet coming in as I go to log in. My husband is an early riser, so he\u2019s already up. While he\u2019s on his work calls, I can hear it. I go to my little desk area, which is in an open space\u2014a little nook right between the living room and the kitchen\u2014then I hear my kids doing what they\u2019re doing. Then they come down and, usually if I\u2019m on a call, they\u2019re walking past. I don\u2019t know why; but for some reason, they think if they kind of tiptoe, they won\u2019t be seen [on the screen]. I don\u2019t understand; because it\u2019s like, \u201cThey can still see you! It\u2019s okay; just walk normally.\u201d [Laughter] Yes, sometimes one can be in the kitchen; sometimes one will be in their room; sometimes my daughter will go outside to the patio; so we\u2019re all over the place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> How are you trusting God with them in the midst of a pandemic\/the culture\u2019s in unrest\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014every day we wake up, and there is something new;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014there is something that has gone wrong\u2014how do you trust God with your children?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> That\u2019s a hard question. I could give you a really good former pastor\u2019s wife church answer; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> And in my past life, I would give you that right now; but if I were to be really honest and very transparent with you, which is what I normally am\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> \u2014I would say, \u201cI don\u2019t, and that\u2019s the struggle.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI lived in, you know, Central Standard Time in Arkansas most of my life. Now I\u2019m on Eastern Standard Time, here in Florida. My sleep cycle is awful; I haven\u2019t been sleeping well. I was telling Roosevelt earlier yesterday, \u201cI think I\u2019m worrying myself to sleep.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m worrying; so I go to God: \u201cFather, these are my worries; these are my cares. I cast them on You, because You care for me.\u201d I go down the list, and I keep going; I keep going: \u201cI give that to You; in the name of Jesus I pray; amen.\u201d And then there\u2019s another worry\u2014and I chase that worry\u2014and I chase it. I am worrying and praying at the same time in the presence of God; that is what I\u2019m doing. You could call that: \u201cI\u2019m wrestling\u201d; you could call that \u201cI\u2019m surrendering and taking back,\u201d\u2014whatever it is\u2014that\u2019s where God has me right now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> So the question, \u201cHow do you trust God?\u201d\u2014I do, and then I don\u2019t; and then I do, and then I don\u2019t. It is a <em>daily<\/em> for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Oh, it\u2019s a total daily, I think, for most of us right now. Every day, I say, \u201cGod, I trust You right now; help me to trust You tomorrow.\u201d I think everything in the Christian life is a daily thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Thank you for being so open and transparent about that, because we need to know that others are struggling, too,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014and that we continually take it to Jesus and say, \u201cOkay, Jesus, I lay it at Your feet.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It\u2019s <em>hard<\/em> to continue laying that down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo how can someone, like me, pray for you and the other moms who are listening, who are like, \u201cHa! I\u2019m exactly in Shannon\u2019s boat!\u201d? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> I would say pray that we won\u2019t miss what God is doing in our hearts during the process of all of this. You know, I have other moms, who are teachers\u2014moms who are helping their kids virtual school\u2014all of it seems so unfair. I want you to think about the people, who are involved in all of this\u2014you have administrators, teachers, parents, and students. The administrators are making decisions for all of the other three: the parents, the teachers, and students.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> The three groups, now\u2014the parents, the teachers, and the students\u2014are doing the best they can just to not drown in it all\u2014all of these things you have to do!\u2014you\u2019ve got to log in; you\u2019ve got to\u2014you know, I have a kid with special needs; I have a son diagnosed with autism when he was two. He needs more interaction and face to face\u2014he really needs that. He\u2019s asked me several times since we got here, \u201cCan I just drop out? Can I be a high school dropout?\u201d [Laughter] I\u2019m like, \u201cNo, Reese, you cannot; okay?\u201d But that\u2019s how he\u2019s feeling; it\u2019s like, \u201cI can\u2019t do this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou cannot win this; so if you know you cannot win this, you might as well just stay on the struggle bus and ride it out. See what the Holy Spirit is trying to do in your heart; because maybe He is trying to mold you into something else. Maybe He\u2019s trying to prune away that sense of control that you think you have. Maybe He\u2019s trying to remove that sense of perfection that you feel like you have to perform to and reach. Stay on the struggle bus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say to just pray for the moms and the parents, and the educators, and the students, who are trying to fight against what\u2019s happening. I know, for me, even back in March, when everything was going on, and we were doing crisis school, I didn\u2019t want to accept it; I was like, \u201cSurely this is about to end!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shannon:<\/strong> So I wouldn\u2019t engage; I didn\u2019t rise to the occasion; I couldn\u2019t. I was working from home; my husband was working from home; and I don\u2019t know <em>what <\/em>my kids were doing! [Laughter] I didn\u2019t want to accept it\u2014like: \u201cThis is not the new normal; I refuse! No!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut you\u2019ve got to stay on the struggle bus and see where God is leading us while we\u2019re on it. We can\u2019t get off; we\u2019ve got to just see where He\u2019s taking us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Shannon Simmons, being so vulnerable and transparent; she\u2019s walking a hard road. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs you listen to all three of those women, you might be thinking, \u201cOh, one of those has it right\u201d; or \u201cOne of those\u2014no, she\u2019s not thinking right\u201d; or you might be going, \u201cThat\u2019s exactly who I am.\u201d Whichever one you are, remember what Tracy said: \u201cIt\u2019s not about right or wrong; it\u2019s not about judging each other; it\u2019s where you are before God, and what God is asking you to do.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, we have to get through this together! If you see someone on the struggle bus, like Shannon, hold up her arms like Aaron held up Moses\u2019 arms. Hold up her arms and pray for her! You know, you could be like Job\u2019s friends\u2014but maybe not\u2014maybe that\u2019s not a good idea. Remember the verse that\u2019s usually used at weddings? There\u2019s a verse in Ecclesiastes\u2014in Ecclesiastes 4: \u201cTwo are better than one, because they have a good return for their labor. If either of them falls down, one can help the other up; but pity the one who falls and has no one to help them up.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m going to say this again: \u201cWe\u2019re going to <em>all <\/em>get through this <em>together<\/em>!\u201d That\u2019s the only way we\u2019re going to get <em>through<\/em> these difficult times. We\u2019re in different contexts: school\u2014some are open; some are not; and some are in a hybrid thing; others are at home. Your home looks different, and it <em>feels<\/em> different. And then there\u2019s church: some are meeting; some are not; some require masks; and some do not. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe live in a time when we all have an opinion about everything under the sun. Let\u2019s dial back that rancor, dial back that shouting, and give some grace during this time. Remember 1 Corinthians 13?\u2014remember what love is?\u2014\u201cLove is patient. Love is kind. It does not envy. It does not boast. It is not proud. It is not rude. It\u2019s not self-seeking. It is not easily angered. It keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s an older, wiser woman in my life. Whenever I go to her with these gut-wrenching, hard things, she listens and she nods her head. She sighs with me, and she even cries with me. She\u2019s patient with me; and then she says, \u201cOkay, dear; it\u2019s time to dry your eyes. It\u2019s time to praise Jesus.\u201d In all of this\u2014in all of these gut-wrenching decisions, in all of these hard prayers, in all of the tears, in all that you\u2019re going through\u2014and maybe it\u2019s a sunny day everywhere you are\u2014but in all of it, praise Jesus. He is the only One who is going to get us through this storm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, my friend Tracy Lane, who we just heard from a few minutes ago? Well, when we talked, she was nine months pregnant. She has since had a beautiful baby boy. The whole family is <em>so excited<\/em> to welcome Davis home. But at first, Tracy had reservations\/a lot of reservations. Next week, Tracy shares the long journey God took her on to accept and love baby Davis. I hope you can join us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThanks for listening. I want to thank the president of FamilyLife, David Robbins, along with our station partners around the country. 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