{"id":306487,"date":"2020-10-21T11:00:04","date_gmt":"2020-10-21T15:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/humility-civility-and-unity-in-political-discourse-part-2\/"},"modified":"2025-04-30T12:54:15","modified_gmt":"2025-04-30T16:54:15","slug":"humility-civility-and-unity-in-political-discourse-part-2","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/humility-civility-and-unity-in-political-discourse-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Humility, Civility, and Unity in Political Discourse, Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Bob Lepine&#8217;s paraphrase of the words of the Apostle Paul asserts that gospel unity should always be more important, more significant, and more powerful than whatever our disagreements are about, who we&#8217;re voting for, or our views on governance. Hear the conclusion of Bob&#8217;s sermon, reminding believers of the importance of Humility, Civility, and Unity in Political Discourse.<br \/>\nShow Notes and Resources<\/p>\n<p> \tJoin Bob Lepine for a virtual small group on his new book, Love Like You Mean It.\u00a0 https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/love-like-you-mean-it-study-fb-live\/<br \/>\n \tDownload FamilyLife&#8217;s new app! https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/app\/<br \/>\n \tFind resources from this podcast at https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/Products.aspx?categoryid=95.<br \/>\n \tCheck out all that&#8217;s available on the FamilyLife Podcast Network.\u00a0 https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/familylife-podcast-network\/<br \/>\n \tHave the FamilyLife Today\u00ae podcast and resources helped you?\u00a0 Consider becoming a Legacy Partner, a monthly supporter of FamilyLife.\u00a0https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/legacy<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Bob Lepine asserts that gospel unity should always be more important and more powerful than whatever our disagreements are about. 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Here\u2019s the question: \u201cWas that conversation filled with the fruit of the Spirit?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, October 21<sup>st<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. When we talk about politics with friends, or family members, coworkers, is there a Christian way to have those conversations?\u2014and what is that Christian way? We\u2019ll talk more about that today. Stay with us.<\/p>\n<p>And welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. Is it possible for people, who are in the same family or in the same church, to look at the upcoming election and say, \u201cI\u2019m voting for this person\u201d; the other person says, \u201cI\u2019m voting for that person\u201d; and both of these people love Christ, and they just see this differently; is that possible?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>Impossible; it cannot happen. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>If we all love Christ, we should all vote for the same guy\u2014that\u2019s what you\u2019re saying?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>Exactly. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>That\u2019s actually what I lot of people would say.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>That is what a lot of\u2014that\u2019s why I\u2019m being facetious. A lot of people actually <em>think<\/em> that; and yet, the body of Christ should be a unified body, where you have different perspectives and still love one another.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; that doesn\u2019t mean that we set aside biblical instruction; in fact, that should inform how we\u2019re going to make up our minds; but I have people, who I know love Jesus, who are going to vote differently than I\u2019m going to vote.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>I can\u2019t say that those people don\u2019t love Jesus because they\u2019re not voting the way I\u2019m going to vote.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>But it is hard to have that perspective; because you think, \u201cWait a minute; I can give you five reasons why you shouldn\u2019t vote that way, and even tie them to a biblical foundation.\u201d That\u2019s where it gets hard; it\u2019s like, \u201cHow could you\u2026\u201d; and there you are.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>Well, good thing we\u2019re going to have this message today\u2014[Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>We need help!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014because Bob is going to teach us on rules of engagement.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>I had an opportunity recently to speak at our church on the subject of \u201cJesus, Politics, and the Gospel\u201d\u2014did three messages on this. All of them are on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com; both the audio and the video is available.<\/p>\n<p>I spoke in the first message about the goodness of government; it\u2019s one of the institutions God has given us. In the second message I talked about the need for unity in the body of Christ, and how we pursue unity even when we don\u2019t agree on secondary things. I think we have to say that political elections are secondary things. There are some people who just flinched when I said that, but I think that\u2019s true. The third message, which, again, is up on our website, is: \u201cHow do you think biblically about who you should vote for? How do you make a biblically-informed decisions?\u201d\u2014again, recognizing different people are going to come to different conclusions on that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>Okay; enough talk, Bob! We have to hear the sermon, so let\u2019s go.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is Part Two of the message I shared recently on how we get along with people we don\u2019t agree with.<\/p>\n<p>[Recorded Message]<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Jesus called each one of the 12, who were His disciples; right? He knew who He was calling: He knew their background; He knew what they were bringing to the group.<\/p>\n<p>Two of the men He chose\u2014well, to say that these two guys would have seen things differently would have been an understatement. One of the guys He chose was Matthew. Matthew was a tax collector. A tax collector was a guy who had a franchise with the Roman government to set up the tax collection zone, and he went around and he enforced the tax collection from the Jewish citizens. The franchise was a lucrative franchise. You could make a lot of money as a tax gatherer. You could be a rich outcast if you were a tax collector. That\u2019s Matthew. He\u2019d gotten the franchise; he\u2019d been collecting taxes; he\u2019d made a lot of money and a lot of enemies; he\u2019s one of the 12.<\/p>\n<p>One of the others that Jesus chose was a guy named Simon\u2014not Simon Peter\u2014but Simon, who is described in the Bible as Simon the Zealot. Now, that doesn\u2019t mean that Simon was just a passionate guy\u2014sometimes we\u2019ll say, \u201cHe\u2019s such a zealot\u201d\u2014we mean that person just has passionate feelings about something. No; Simon was a part of a group called the Zealots. The Zealots were committed to the overthrow of the Roman government; they hated the Romans. They were extremists; they were militant; they were violent; they were outlaws. They were convinced that paying taxes to Caesar, a pagan king, was an act of treason against God.<\/p>\n<p>Jesus says, \u201cCome be My disciples,\u201d\u2014tax gatherer and Zealot\u2014\u201cCome; let\u2019s have dinner together.\u201d These are guys who are going to naturally come at this with two different worldviews about how you apply your faith in the political structure of the day, and somehow these two men learned to love one another. I\u2019m sure that Simon\u2019s zealousness was corrected; I\u2019m sure that Matthew\u2019s greed was corrected\/sanctified over time; but they found their unity in Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>How we function as citizens of the United States, what we believe about Jesus and the gospel, what we believe about the Bible should inform and shape how we make political choices and decisions. We should be advocates for righteousness and godliness in our culture; we should participate as citizens in a democracy. That matters; we should <em>care<\/em> about these things. These issues that we\u2019re dealing with in our culture should matter to us; we should be informed, and we should vote. We should fully participate in our democracy; it\u2019s a privilege and a responsibility to do so. We ought not neglect it. We need to be fully engaged as citizens, and we need to have our biblical views inform that.<\/p>\n<p>When we have people in our church or outside of our church, who disagree with our political views\u2014in the church, we need to be pursuing gospel unity as we interact over these things and do nothing to threaten our gospel unity as we interact on our disagreements\u2014outside the church, as we interact with people who view the world differently than we, we need to be extending dignity, and value, and worth; we need to be interacting with humility and with civility.<\/p>\n<p>Be engaged citizens; but don\u2019t make the outcome of the election or your support for a candidate into more than it ought to be, and don\u2019t make political allegiance a more important or more significant matter than our shared allegiance to Jesus in the church. If a brother or sister in Christ has a different political view than you, you ought to feel free to engage in discussion and debate\u2014to go back and forth\/to seek to persuade one another\u2014that\u2019s healthy and good. It can even be lively and vigorous conversation as long as you know, and they know, and everybody around you knows that, even if you disagree\/even if you don\u2019t get on the same side, your love for one another\/your bond for one another in gospel unity is not threatened by these political conversations.<\/p>\n<p>Your love for one another is not contingent upon your political alignment. If your political alignment and agreement begins to threaten love and unity within the body of Christ, political alignment and agreement have become <em>too<\/em> significant for you. Unity and love for one another is a serious matter, and we need to take it seriously.<\/p>\n<p>We also need to take seriously our responsibility as representatives of Jesus\/as ambassadors for Christ to make sure that our engagement in political conversations with friends, or coworkers, or family members\u2014anyone, whether they\u2019re a Christian or a non-Christian\u2014those conversations reflect both truth and grace.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m going to take you through about a half dozen verses that are passages of Scripture that I think apply to how we interact with one another on political issues\/on issues of controversy\u2014it doesn\u2019t have to be political issues\u2014it just seems those are the issues today. I\u2019ll call these our rules for engagement on these issues.<\/p>\n<p>Ephesians 4, verses 1-3: Paul says, in a political dialogue or engagement, according to Ephesians, we should \u201cwalk in a manner worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit and the bond of peace.\u201d Okay, the last part is about unity in the body of Christ; but even outside of that, it tells us, first of all, when you\u2019re engaging in any kind of interaction\u2014particularly in this case, political dialogue\u2014make sure you\u2019re walking in a manner worthy\/you\u2019re representing Jesus the way we ought to be representing Him.<\/p>\n<p>What does that look like?\u2014humility, gentleness, patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain peace; and when it\u2019s brothers and sisters in Christ, to maintain unity. If you\u2019re having a political dialogue, and you\u2019re not able to have that dialogue with a spirit of humility, gentleness, patience, forbearance, love and peace, it\u2019s time to tap out and go take a time-out; okay? Because Jesus wants you to walk in a manner worthy; and worthiness means humility, gentleness, patience, forbearance.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s the problem we face. When you watch political discourse happening on Fox News, or MSNBC, or CNN, or Twitter<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, we don\u2019t see humility, gentleness, patience, forbearance, peace. That does not get you ratings or clicks. Don\u2019t get sucked into the culture\u2019s way of engaging in political issues. Do it Jesus\u2019 way with humility, gentleness, patience, forbearance, love, pursuing peace.<\/p>\n<p>Along those lines, here\u2019s the next passage for us; this is from 2 Timothy, Chapter 2, our next rule for engagement: \u201cThe Lord\u2019s servant must not be quarrelsome, but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance, leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil after being captured by him, to do his will.\u201d This is not a suggestion\/it\u2019s not an idea that, \u201cYou know, try not to get into a quarrel,\u201d\u2014\u201cThe Lord\u2019s servant must not be quarrelsome.\u201d Instead, the Lord\u2019s servant must be kind. Kind to whom?\u2014what\u2019s it say?\u2014\u201c\u2026kind to everyone\u201d!<\/p>\n<p>Then it says you must patiently endure\u2014what?\u2014\u201cevil.\u201d Really?\u2014patiently endure evil? That\u2019s what it says. Here\u2019s what it means: patiently enduring evil means that, when people are rude or unkind toward you, you endure. When they\u2019re foolish and hotheaded, you don\u2019t join them down in the mud.<\/p>\n<p>How do you proceed? Well, it says you correct with gentleness\/meekness. If you are engaged in a political dialogue, and you find yourself becoming quarrelsome, or unkind, or impatient, or harsh, you have fallen into the trap. Time out; go back to your corner; get centered; you\u2019re not doing it the Jesus way.<\/p>\n<p>Okay, here\u2019s the next rule of engagement; ready for this one? James 1: \u201cKnow this, my beloved brothers; let everyone\u201d\u2014everyone\/every person\u2014\u201cbe quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger. For the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God.\u201d Does this apply in political discourse?\u2014yes! Quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to anger; when you start to feel the anger churning, you need to quiet your own soul.<\/p>\n<p>Now, the question comes up here: \u201cBut what if it\u2019s holy indignation? What if the reason you\u2019re stirred up is because the glory of God is being attacked?\u201d Well, God gets angry; that\u2019s true. The Bible tells us, \u201cBe angry, but do not sin.\u201d The reality is that most of us, even if the glory of God being attacked is a factor, most of us have a little bit of remaining sin that\u2019s mixed in with that; and we\u2019re really mad, in part, because our way is being inconvenienced\/because our desires are not being fulfilled. It\u2019s possible to have a little bit of righteous anger in you, but it\u2019s probably comingled with your indwelling sin. You just need to be careful if you\u2019re saying, \u201cWell, I have righteous anger here.\u201d Just judge that rightly.<\/p>\n<p>Okay, here\u2019s another one\u2014one that you know\u2014Paul says, \u201cI say to you, walk by the Spirit\u201d; and then later, he explains what walking by the Spirit is going to produce. When you walk by the Spirit, \u201cthe fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.\u201d The fruit of the Spirit is not something we can set aside when we come to talk politics. Political discussion is not a fruit of the Spirit-free zone, like some people like to think: \u201cWell, we\u2019re talking about politics; I don\u2019t have to be patient here. I don\u2019t have to be kind. You weren\u2019t kind; I don\u2019t have to be.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The fruit of the Spirit is what will emerge in your life when you are walking in the Spirit. If it\u2019s not coming out of you, guess what?\u2014you\u2019re not walking in the Spirit! This is true whether you\u2019re having a political conversation, or doing the laundry, or in the line at the grocery store. If your life is not manifesting love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control, something other than the Holy Spirit is in control of you. When that happens, it\u2019s time to call a time-out; time to pray; time to confess to God that you\u2019re out of His will. It\u2019s time to surrender, again, to His control over you.<\/p>\n<p>Ephesians 6 tells us there\u2019s a bigger battle going on than the one between the Republicans and the Democrats. We recognize that the political instability in our day has a spiritual root to it. Paul says, \u201cPut on the whole armor of God that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness; against the spiritual forces of evil in heavenly places. Therefore, take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand, therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, putting on the breastplate of righteousness\u2026\u201d\u2014it goes on with that.<\/p>\n<p>This passage is a reminder that, when you\u2019re trying to survive emotionally in this season of politics\/when you\u2019re trying to engage with others on politics or policy, you need to make sure that you are spiritually armored up every day. You don\u2019t go into these conversations unless you are walking by the Spirit and you put your spiritual armor on. If you [don\u2019t], you\u2019re heading into battle unprotected; and there is an enemy who wants to use this political season to disrupt and destroy your walk with Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019re not praying regularly\u2014often\/without ceasing as the Bible says\u2014if you\u2019re not spending time in God\u2019s Word, reading it, memorizing it, meditating on it; if you\u2019re not connecting regularly with other believers for fellowship, and encouragement, and support; if you\u2019re not gathering for worship regularly, both with others in corporate worship like this, but also having times of private worship, where you are singing hymns to God in the shower, or in your quiet time\u2014wherever you do it\u2014if you\u2019re not doing these things, you will not survive the spiritual attacks that are headed our way.<\/p>\n<p>Okay; here\u2019s the last verse we\u2019ll look at, although there are many more we could look at. This one brings us back full circle to Euodia and Syntyche; remember them? After Paul calls them out in the letter to the Philippians, and tells them they need to agree in the Lord, here\u2019s what he says to them: \u201cLet your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand\u2026\u201d Another way to say this is, \u201cLet everyone see your Spirit-empowered gentleness and patience in every situation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Pastor Ray Ortlund says, \u201cIn a world of outrage, reasonableness will stand out.\u201d I think he\u2019s right. Showing unity and love for one another in Christ is going to stand out: \u201cBy this all men will know you are My disciples.\u201d So let\u2019s keep these rules of engagement in front of us, not just in this season, but for every season of life.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ll close with this. I was in the middle of working on this message this week, on Friday, when I got the news about the death of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. In the middle of all of the tributes to her life and her career, and all of the speculation about how the President and Senate are going to handle this\u2014how they should handle it\/how this might affect the election\u2014I was reminded of the fact that Justice Ginsburg had a best friend, who served with her on the Supreme Court\/a fellow Justice, who four years ago, died in the middle of another presidential election. That was Antonin Scalia. When she eulogized him at his memorial service, she referred to him as her \u201cbest buddy.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Court watchers know that Scalia and Ginsburg were polar opposites on the court. Scalia was among the most ideologically conservative members of the court; Ginsburg was a reliable liberal. If there was a five-four split on a vote, you could pretty much be sure that Ginsburg was on one side and Scalia was on the other. They did not see things the same way. And yet, when Justice Scalia died, the family asked Justice Ginsburg to speak at his memorial service, and she called him her best buddy. Ideological opposites and best buddies.<\/p>\n<p>Hours after Justice Ginsburg\u2019s death, Scalia\u2019s son, Christopher, tweeted a story that explained how his dad saw Justice Ginsburg. This story had been conferred to him by Judge Jeffrey Sutton, who had clerked for Scalia, about an encounter that Sutton had had late in his dad\u2019s life with the Justice:<\/p>\n<p>He said he walked into Judge Scalia\u2019s office. He said, \u201cIt was during one of my last visits with Justice Scalia. I saw striking evidence of the Scalia-Ginsburg relationship. I got up to leave his chambers, and he pointed to two dozen roses on the table and noted we needed to take them down to Ruth for her birthday. \u2018Wow!\u2019 I said. \u2018I doubt I\u2019ve given a total of 24 roses to my wife in almost 30 years of marriage.\u2019 He said, \u2018You ought to try it sometime.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Unwilling to give him the last word, he said, \u201cI pushed back: \u2018So what good have all these roses done for you? Name one five-four case of any significance where you got Justice Ginsburg\u2019s vote.\u2019 \u2018Some things,\u2019 Scalia answered, \u2018are more important than votes.\u2019 I let him have the last word.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Listen, folks; if a lifelong Roman Catholic and a secular Jew, who are on opposite sides of the political spectrum, can be best buddies, can we have unity in the body of Christ around the gospel? Can we be civil, and respectful, and kind toward those with whom we disagree? Is there somebody you need to give a few roses to this week as you dialogue, even in your differences? If Scalia and Ginsburg can be civil, can\u2019t followers of Jesus excel still more?<\/p>\n<p>[Studio]<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>Bob, you nailed it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>Oh, it was so good! Way to go!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>You don\u2019t even need to respond; that was powerful.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>I know; I\u2019m so inspired.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>It gives you hope.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, I just feel such a burden for where we are as a nation\/for where we are as a church\u2014for our discourse. As I said, I think <em>how<\/em> we disagree with one another may be as significant, or even more significant, than the substance of our disagreement. If we can\u2019t demonstrate civility, and humility, and the dignity of other people, then we ought to just keep our mouths shut.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>The world is watching us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>If we can\u2019t model unity in the body of Christ, they\u2019re not interested in our gospel.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>You used a phrase that I don\u2019t think will be in the shorter version, but the phrase was: \u201cWe have blood-bought unity.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>Explain that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, in the body of Christ, we are united not by our political views; we are united by the fact that Jesus shed His blood to bring us into His family. You go back to the beginning of what we heard today. Think of Matthew and Simon the Zealot, from two different backgrounds\/with two different perspectives; and yet, Jesus knit them together through the blood that He shed on the cross in making them sons of the kingdom. I just think we need to remember that\u2019s a bigger priority in our lives than who gets elected in the next couple of weeks.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>This would be a good series to send to family and friends <em>before<\/em> the election.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, all three of these messages from this series are available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can download the audio; you can view the video; you can share the links with others if you\u2019d like to recommend it to them. Again, go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and look for the series that is titled \u201cJesus, Politics, and the Gospel.\u201d Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com; and the information you need is available there so you can access these messages.<\/p>\n<p>While you\u2019re on our website, look for information about the upcoming Facebook Live small group that we\u2019re doing. It starts next Thursday night, October 29; it goes three Thursday nights in a row. Seven o\u2019 clock Central Time is our start time. Couples are invited to join Dave and Ann and me as we talk about what real love looks like in marriage. This is our <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> marriage small group. We have a brand-new video series that\u2019s about to come out on this, and we\u2019re going to give you a sneak preview of that video series\u2014let you in on the inside\u2014when you sign up for the small group.<\/p>\n<p>So, again, more information about how you can be part of the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> marriage small group on Facebook Live, with Dave and Ann Wilson and me: it starts next Thursday night at 7:00 Central Time, and the information is available online at FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>Now, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to hear from Alex Kendrick, the guy who you know from movies like <em>Overcomer, Courageous, Facing the Giants<\/em>\u2014other movies. Alex has a <em>great<\/em> message for us about how we can more effectively be praying for our kids, and we\u2019ll hear that message tomorrow. I hope you can join us for that.<\/p>\n<p>I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. 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Bob reminds believers of the importance of humility, civility, and unity.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2020-10-21.pdf","transcript_content":"<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Think about a conversation you\u2019ve had recently with friends or family members about politics or current events. Here\u2019s the question: \u201cWas that conversation filled with the fruit of the Spirit?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, October 21<sup>st<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. When we talk about politics with friends, or family members, coworkers, is there a Christian way to have those conversations?\u2014and what is that Christian way? We\u2019ll talk more about that today. Stay with us.<\/p>\n<p>And welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. Is it possible for people, who are in the same family or in the same church, to look at the upcoming election and say, \u201cI\u2019m voting for this person\u201d; the other person says, \u201cI\u2019m voting for that person\u201d; and both of these people love Christ, and they just see this differently; is that possible?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>Impossible; it cannot happen. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>If we all love Christ, we should all vote for the same guy\u2014that\u2019s what you\u2019re saying?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>Exactly. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>That\u2019s actually what I lot of people would say.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>That is what a lot of\u2014that\u2019s why I\u2019m being facetious. A lot of people actually <em>think<\/em> that; and yet, the body of Christ should be a unified body, where you have different perspectives and still love one another.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; that doesn\u2019t mean that we set aside biblical instruction; in fact, that should inform how we\u2019re going to make up our minds; but I have people, who I know love Jesus, who are going to vote differently than I\u2019m going to vote.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>I can\u2019t say that those people don\u2019t love Jesus because they\u2019re not voting the way I\u2019m going to vote.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>But it is hard to have that perspective; because you think, \u201cWait a minute; I can give you five reasons why you shouldn\u2019t vote that way, and even tie them to a biblical foundation.\u201d That\u2019s where it gets hard; it\u2019s like, \u201cHow could you\u2026\u201d; and there you are.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>Well, good thing we\u2019re going to have this message today\u2014[Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>We need help!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014because Bob is going to teach us on rules of engagement.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>I had an opportunity recently to speak at our church on the subject of \u201cJesus, Politics, and the Gospel\u201d\u2014did three messages on this. All of them are on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com; both the audio and the video is available.<\/p>\n<p>I spoke in the first message about the goodness of government; it\u2019s one of the institutions God has given us. In the second message I talked about the need for unity in the body of Christ, and how we pursue unity even when we don\u2019t agree on secondary things. I think we have to say that political elections are secondary things. There are some people who just flinched when I said that, but I think that\u2019s true. The third message, which, again, is up on our website, is: \u201cHow do you think biblically about who you should vote for? How do you make a biblically-informed decisions?\u201d\u2014again, recognizing different people are going to come to different conclusions on that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>Okay; enough talk, Bob! We have to hear the sermon, so let\u2019s go.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is Part Two of the message I shared recently on how we get along with people we don\u2019t agree with.<\/p>\n<p>[Recorded Message]<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Jesus called each one of the 12, who were His disciples; right? He knew who He was calling: He knew their background; He knew what they were bringing to the group.<\/p>\n<p>Two of the men He chose\u2014well, to say that these two guys would have seen things differently would have been an understatement. One of the guys He chose was Matthew. Matthew was a tax collector. A tax collector was a guy who had a franchise with the Roman government to set up the tax collection zone, and he went around and he enforced the tax collection from the Jewish citizens. The franchise was a lucrative franchise. You could make a lot of money as a tax gatherer. You could be a rich outcast if you were a tax collector. That\u2019s Matthew. He\u2019d gotten the franchise; he\u2019d been collecting taxes; he\u2019d made a lot of money and a lot of enemies; he\u2019s one of the 12.<\/p>\n<p>One of the others that Jesus chose was a guy named Simon\u2014not Simon Peter\u2014but Simon, who is described in the Bible as Simon the Zealot. Now, that doesn\u2019t mean that Simon was just a passionate guy\u2014sometimes we\u2019ll say, \u201cHe\u2019s such a zealot\u201d\u2014we mean that person just has passionate feelings about something. No; Simon was a part of a group called the Zealots. The Zealots were committed to the overthrow of the Roman government; they hated the Romans. They were extremists; they were militant; they were violent; they were outlaws. They were convinced that paying taxes to Caesar, a pagan king, was an act of treason against God.<\/p>\n<p>Jesus says, \u201cCome be My disciples,\u201d\u2014tax gatherer and Zealot\u2014\u201cCome; let\u2019s have dinner together.\u201d These are guys who are going to naturally come at this with two different worldviews about how you apply your faith in the political structure of the day, and somehow these two men learned to love one another. I\u2019m sure that Simon\u2019s zealousness was corrected; I\u2019m sure that Matthew\u2019s greed was corrected\/sanctified over time; but they found their unity in Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>How we function as citizens of the United States, what we believe about Jesus and the gospel, what we believe about the Bible should inform and shape how we make political choices and decisions. We should be advocates for righteousness and godliness in our culture; we should participate as citizens in a democracy. That matters; we should <em>care<\/em> about these things. These issues that we\u2019re dealing with in our culture should matter to us; we should be informed, and we should vote. We should fully participate in our democracy; it\u2019s a privilege and a responsibility to do so. We ought not neglect it. We need to be fully engaged as citizens, and we need to have our biblical views inform that.<\/p>\n<p>When we have people in our church or outside of our church, who disagree with our political views\u2014in the church, we need to be pursuing gospel unity as we interact over these things and do nothing to threaten our gospel unity as we interact on our disagreements\u2014outside the church, as we interact with people who view the world differently than we, we need to be extending dignity, and value, and worth; we need to be interacting with humility and with civility.<\/p>\n<p>Be engaged citizens; but don\u2019t make the outcome of the election or your support for a candidate into more than it ought to be, and don\u2019t make political allegiance a more important or more significant matter than our shared allegiance to Jesus in the church. If a brother or sister in Christ has a different political view than you, you ought to feel free to engage in discussion and debate\u2014to go back and forth\/to seek to persuade one another\u2014that\u2019s healthy and good. It can even be lively and vigorous conversation as long as you know, and they know, and everybody around you knows that, even if you disagree\/even if you don\u2019t get on the same side, your love for one another\/your bond for one another in gospel unity is not threatened by these political conversations.<\/p>\n<p>Your love for one another is not contingent upon your political alignment. If your political alignment and agreement begins to threaten love and unity within the body of Christ, political alignment and agreement have become <em>too<\/em> significant for you. Unity and love for one another is a serious matter, and we need to take it seriously.<\/p>\n<p>We also need to take seriously our responsibility as representatives of Jesus\/as ambassadors for Christ to make sure that our engagement in political conversations with friends, or coworkers, or family members\u2014anyone, whether they\u2019re a Christian or a non-Christian\u2014those conversations reflect both truth and grace.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m going to take you through about a half dozen verses that are passages of Scripture that I think apply to how we interact with one another on political issues\/on issues of controversy\u2014it doesn\u2019t have to be political issues\u2014it just seems those are the issues today. I\u2019ll call these our rules for engagement on these issues.<\/p>\n<p>Ephesians 4, verses 1-3: Paul says, in a political dialogue or engagement, according to Ephesians, we should \u201cwalk in a manner worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit and the bond of peace.\u201d Okay, the last part is about unity in the body of Christ; but even outside of that, it tells us, first of all, when you\u2019re engaging in any kind of interaction\u2014particularly in this case, political dialogue\u2014make sure you\u2019re walking in a manner worthy\/you\u2019re representing Jesus the way we ought to be representing Him.<\/p>\n<p>What does that look like?\u2014humility, gentleness, patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain peace; and when it\u2019s brothers and sisters in Christ, to maintain unity. If you\u2019re having a political dialogue, and you\u2019re not able to have that dialogue with a spirit of humility, gentleness, patience, forbearance, love and peace, it\u2019s time to tap out and go take a time-out; okay? Because Jesus wants you to walk in a manner worthy; and worthiness means humility, gentleness, patience, forbearance.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s the problem we face. When you watch political discourse happening on Fox News, or MSNBC, or CNN, or Twitter<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, we don\u2019t see humility, gentleness, patience, forbearance, peace. That does not get you ratings or clicks. Don\u2019t get sucked into the culture\u2019s way of engaging in political issues. Do it Jesus\u2019 way with humility, gentleness, patience, forbearance, love, pursuing peace.<\/p>\n<p>Along those lines, here\u2019s the next passage for us; this is from 2 Timothy, Chapter 2, our next rule for engagement: \u201cThe Lord\u2019s servant must not be quarrelsome, but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance, leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil after being captured by him, to do his will.\u201d This is not a suggestion\/it\u2019s not an idea that, \u201cYou know, try not to get into a quarrel,\u201d\u2014\u201cThe Lord\u2019s servant must not be quarrelsome.\u201d Instead, the Lord\u2019s servant must be kind. Kind to whom?\u2014what\u2019s it say?\u2014\u201c\u2026kind to everyone\u201d!<\/p>\n<p>Then it says you must patiently endure\u2014what?\u2014\u201cevil.\u201d Really?\u2014patiently endure evil? That\u2019s what it says. Here\u2019s what it means: patiently enduring evil means that, when people are rude or unkind toward you, you endure. When they\u2019re foolish and hotheaded, you don\u2019t join them down in the mud.<\/p>\n<p>How do you proceed? Well, it says you correct with gentleness\/meekness. If you are engaged in a political dialogue, and you find yourself becoming quarrelsome, or unkind, or impatient, or harsh, you have fallen into the trap. Time out; go back to your corner; get centered; you\u2019re not doing it the Jesus way.<\/p>\n<p>Okay, here\u2019s the next rule of engagement; ready for this one? James 1: \u201cKnow this, my beloved brothers; let everyone\u201d\u2014everyone\/every person\u2014\u201cbe quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger. For the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God.\u201d Does this apply in political discourse?\u2014yes! Quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to anger; when you start to feel the anger churning, you need to quiet your own soul.<\/p>\n<p>Now, the question comes up here: \u201cBut what if it\u2019s holy indignation? What if the reason you\u2019re stirred up is because the glory of God is being attacked?\u201d Well, God gets angry; that\u2019s true. The Bible tells us, \u201cBe angry, but do not sin.\u201d The reality is that most of us, even if the glory of God being attacked is a factor, most of us have a little bit of remaining sin that\u2019s mixed in with that; and we\u2019re really mad, in part, because our way is being inconvenienced\/because our desires are not being fulfilled. It\u2019s possible to have a little bit of righteous anger in you, but it\u2019s probably comingled with your indwelling sin. You just need to be careful if you\u2019re saying, \u201cWell, I have righteous anger here.\u201d Just judge that rightly.<\/p>\n<p>Okay, here\u2019s another one\u2014one that you know\u2014Paul says, \u201cI say to you, walk by the Spirit\u201d; and then later, he explains what walking by the Spirit is going to produce. When you walk by the Spirit, \u201cthe fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.\u201d The fruit of the Spirit is not something we can set aside when we come to talk politics. Political discussion is not a fruit of the Spirit-free zone, like some people like to think: \u201cWell, we\u2019re talking about politics; I don\u2019t have to be patient here. I don\u2019t have to be kind. You weren\u2019t kind; I don\u2019t have to be.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The fruit of the Spirit is what will emerge in your life when you are walking in the Spirit. If it\u2019s not coming out of you, guess what?\u2014you\u2019re not walking in the Spirit! This is true whether you\u2019re having a political conversation, or doing the laundry, or in the line at the grocery store. If your life is not manifesting love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control, something other than the Holy Spirit is in control of you. When that happens, it\u2019s time to call a time-out; time to pray; time to confess to God that you\u2019re out of His will. It\u2019s time to surrender, again, to His control over you.<\/p>\n<p>Ephesians 6 tells us there\u2019s a bigger battle going on than the one between the Republicans and the Democrats. We recognize that the political instability in our day has a spiritual root to it. Paul says, \u201cPut on the whole armor of God that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness; against the spiritual forces of evil in heavenly places. Therefore, take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand, therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, putting on the breastplate of righteousness\u2026\u201d\u2014it goes on with that.<\/p>\n<p>This passage is a reminder that, when you\u2019re trying to survive emotionally in this season of politics\/when you\u2019re trying to engage with others on politics or policy, you need to make sure that you are spiritually armored up every day. You don\u2019t go into these conversations unless you are walking by the Spirit and you put your spiritual armor on. If you [don\u2019t], you\u2019re heading into battle unprotected; and there is an enemy who wants to use this political season to disrupt and destroy your walk with Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019re not praying regularly\u2014often\/without ceasing as the Bible says\u2014if you\u2019re not spending time in God\u2019s Word, reading it, memorizing it, meditating on it; if you\u2019re not connecting regularly with other believers for fellowship, and encouragement, and support; if you\u2019re not gathering for worship regularly, both with others in corporate worship like this, but also having times of private worship, where you are singing hymns to God in the shower, or in your quiet time\u2014wherever you do it\u2014if you\u2019re not doing these things, you will not survive the spiritual attacks that are headed our way.<\/p>\n<p>Okay; here\u2019s the last verse we\u2019ll look at, although there are many more we could look at. This one brings us back full circle to Euodia and Syntyche; remember them? After Paul calls them out in the letter to the Philippians, and tells them they need to agree in the Lord, here\u2019s what he says to them: \u201cLet your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand\u2026\u201d Another way to say this is, \u201cLet everyone see your Spirit-empowered gentleness and patience in every situation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Pastor Ray Ortlund says, \u201cIn a world of outrage, reasonableness will stand out.\u201d I think he\u2019s right. Showing unity and love for one another in Christ is going to stand out: \u201cBy this all men will know you are My disciples.\u201d So let\u2019s keep these rules of engagement in front of us, not just in this season, but for every season of life.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ll close with this. I was in the middle of working on this message this week, on Friday, when I got the news about the death of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. In the middle of all of the tributes to her life and her career, and all of the speculation about how the President and Senate are going to handle this\u2014how they should handle it\/how this might affect the election\u2014I was reminded of the fact that Justice Ginsburg had a best friend, who served with her on the Supreme Court\/a fellow Justice, who four years ago, died in the middle of another presidential election. That was Antonin Scalia. When she eulogized him at his memorial service, she referred to him as her \u201cbest buddy.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Court watchers know that Scalia and Ginsburg were polar opposites on the court. Scalia was among the most ideologically conservative members of the court; Ginsburg was a reliable liberal. If there was a five-four split on a vote, you could pretty much be sure that Ginsburg was on one side and Scalia was on the other. They did not see things the same way. And yet, when Justice Scalia died, the family asked Justice Ginsburg to speak at his memorial service, and she called him her best buddy. Ideological opposites and best buddies.<\/p>\n<p>Hours after Justice Ginsburg\u2019s death, Scalia\u2019s son, Christopher, tweeted a story that explained how his dad saw Justice Ginsburg. This story had been conferred to him by Judge Jeffrey Sutton, who had clerked for Scalia, about an encounter that Sutton had had late in his dad\u2019s life with the Justice:<\/p>\n<p>He said he walked into Judge Scalia\u2019s office. He said, \u201cIt was during one of my last visits with Justice Scalia. I saw striking evidence of the Scalia-Ginsburg relationship. I got up to leave his chambers, and he pointed to two dozen roses on the table and noted we needed to take them down to Ruth for her birthday. \u2018Wow!\u2019 I said. \u2018I doubt I\u2019ve given a total of 24 roses to my wife in almost 30 years of marriage.\u2019 He said, \u2018You ought to try it sometime.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Unwilling to give him the last word, he said, \u201cI pushed back: \u2018So what good have all these roses done for you? Name one five-four case of any significance where you got Justice Ginsburg\u2019s vote.\u2019 \u2018Some things,\u2019 Scalia answered, \u2018are more important than votes.\u2019 I let him have the last word.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Listen, folks; if a lifelong Roman Catholic and a secular Jew, who are on opposite sides of the political spectrum, can be best buddies, can we have unity in the body of Christ around the gospel? Can we be civil, and respectful, and kind toward those with whom we disagree? Is there somebody you need to give a few roses to this week as you dialogue, even in your differences? If Scalia and Ginsburg can be civil, can\u2019t followers of Jesus excel still more?<\/p>\n<p>[Studio]<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>Bob, you nailed it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>Oh, it was so good! Way to go!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>You don\u2019t even need to respond; that was powerful.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>I know; I\u2019m so inspired.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>It gives you hope.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, I just feel such a burden for where we are as a nation\/for where we are as a church\u2014for our discourse. As I said, I think <em>how<\/em> we disagree with one another may be as significant, or even more significant, than the substance of our disagreement. If we can\u2019t demonstrate civility, and humility, and the dignity of other people, then we ought to just keep our mouths shut.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>The world is watching us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>If we can\u2019t model unity in the body of Christ, they\u2019re not interested in our gospel.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>You used a phrase that I don\u2019t think will be in the shorter version, but the phrase was: \u201cWe have blood-bought unity.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>Explain that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, in the body of Christ, we are united not by our political views; we are united by the fact that Jesus shed His blood to bring us into His family. You go back to the beginning of what we heard today. Think of Matthew and Simon the Zealot, from two different backgrounds\/with two different perspectives; and yet, Jesus knit them together through the blood that He shed on the cross in making them sons of the kingdom. I just think we need to remember that\u2019s a bigger priority in our lives than who gets elected in the next couple of weeks.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>This would be a good series to send to family and friends <em>before<\/em> the election.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, all three of these messages from this series are available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can download the audio; you can view the video; you can share the links with others if you\u2019d like to recommend it to them. Again, go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and look for the series that is titled \u201cJesus, Politics, and the Gospel.\u201d Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com; and the information you need is available there so you can access these messages.<\/p>\n<p>While you\u2019re on our website, look for information about the upcoming Facebook Live small group that we\u2019re doing. It starts next Thursday night, October 29; it goes three Thursday nights in a row. Seven o\u2019 clock Central Time is our start time. Couples are invited to join Dave and Ann and me as we talk about what real love looks like in marriage. This is our <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> marriage small group. We have a brand-new video series that\u2019s about to come out on this, and we\u2019re going to give you a sneak preview of that video series\u2014let you in on the inside\u2014when you sign up for the small group.<\/p>\n<p>So, again, more information about how you can be part of the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> marriage small group on Facebook Live, with Dave and Ann Wilson and me: it starts next Thursday night at 7:00 Central Time, and the information is available online at FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>Now, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to hear from Alex Kendrick, the guy who you know from movies like <em>Overcomer, Courageous, Facing the Giants<\/em>\u2014other movies. Alex has a <em>great<\/em> message for us about how we can more effectively be praying for our kids, and we\u2019ll hear that message tomorrow. I hope you can join us for that.<\/p>\n<p>I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. 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