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How does that apply as we think about politics, religion, and government?<\/p>\n<p>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, October 19<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Politics, Jesus, and the gospel\u2014that\u2019s controversial stuff in our day. How do we talk about that and think about that in a healthy biblical way? We\u2019ll talk about that today. Stay with us.<\/p>\n<p>And welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Monday edition. You guys have noticed there\u2019s an election coming up in a couple weeks?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Is there? I haven\u2019t noticed. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s impossible to not notice.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>It sure is.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> It is impossible. I think maybe there\u2019s more anxiety, and more fear, more concern, more passion at some level about this upcoming election than I remember seeing in my lifetime.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> I agree with that. I\u2019ve never seen this kind of fear or anticipation.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014and division across our country for months now. I think every four years, every election has a lot of intensity to it, but this one is ratcheted up by 100.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019m excited because we get the opportunity to hear you preaching today, Bob, on a subject that I\u2019m interested in. How did you determine to talk about this?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> At church\u2014boy, that\u2019s tackling it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was looking at what was going on in our culture\/in our church and thinking, \u201cWe need to renew our minds, biblically, on how we think about politics, an upcoming election, Jesus, the gospel. How does all of that fit together? How should our thinking be influenced\/directed, really, by what we read in Scripture?\u201d I did a series of three messages at our church called \u201cJesus, Politics, and the Gospel.\u201d I started by saying, \u201cWe need to think rightly about government itself; government is a gift from God.\u201d I don\u2019t want to dive into it here, because we\u2019re going to hear it as we get into this message.<\/p>\n<p>You remember Jesus meeting with the Pharisees\u2014they said, \u201cShould we pay taxes?\u201d\u2014He said, \u201cShow me the coin.\u201d He said, \u201cWhose face is on this side?\u201d \u201cCaesar.\u201d He said, \u201cThen render unto Caesar that which is Caesar\u2019s, and render unto God what belongs to Him.\u201d Jesus is affirming that there\u2019s a right place for government in our lives; government is an institution ordained by God. There were five principles about human government that I drew from Scripture; I took our congregation through that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s a timely message.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Let\u2019s go; I want to hear it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Alright; here\u2019s a portion of that message.<\/p>\n<p>[Recorded Message]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> The first one is: \u201cGovernment Is an Institution Ordained by God: It Is Both Necessary and Good.\u201d God is responsible for giving us government. When Jesus answers the question about paying taxes, He affirms, in the process, the goodness of government. It just so happens that the government He\u2019s affirming in this case is an oppressive, wholly secular government, which is interesting. Jesus does not here pause to get into the politics of what is righteous vs. unrighteous governance. He is simply affirming that government is a part of God\u2019s design for humanity.<\/p>\n<p>Some Bible commentators say that\u2014when Paul, in Romans 13, talks about our relationship to government\u2014he\u2019s actually providing a commentary on this event from Jesus\u2019 life. In fact, let me read through Romans 13, the first seven verses, and just walk you through it. Verse 1 says, \u201cLet every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Now let that sink in for just a minute. The Tiberius Caesar administration in Jesus\u2019 day was instituted by God. The <em>terrifying<\/em> reign of Emperor Nero in the Roman Empire was instituted by God. The Obama administration was instituted by God. The Trump administration was instituted by God. If there is a Biden administration, it will be instituted by God; the Kim Jong-un administration in North Korea is instituted by God; the Hitler administration in Nazi Germany was instituted by God.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, you flinch at that; right? How do we make sense of that? Well, remember that James says, in James, Chapter 1, that God is not the author of evil even though He superintends all things that come to pass. He does allow evil to exist for His own purposes. R.C. Sproul says this\u2014he says: \u201cIn the providence of God, there is no government that can ever come to power except through God\u2019s ordination.\u201d But that does not necessarily mean that the powers that be are approved of by God. How can He ordain and not approve?\u2014because He is God, and He is working out His purposes in ways that we don\u2019t understand. Verse 1, again: \u201cThere is no authority except from God.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The second thing this passage says is: \u201cTherefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgement.\u201d This doesn\u2019t mean there is <em>never<\/em> be a time when civil disobedience is not necessary. There will be times when we <em>must<\/em> oppose the government. When are those times? We must oppose the government when it requires that we do things that God forbids, or it forbids us from doing things that God requires. Our general default position, as followers of Jesus, is to obey governing authorities and be good citizens. God wants us to do that.<\/p>\n<p>Verse 3 in Romans 13 says: \u201cRulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive His approval, for he is God\u2019s servant for your good.\u201d Now, this is not an absolute statement; this is a general principle. Some rulers are terrors; but in general, even in secular countries, most governing authorities are not going to be too troubled by somebody who\u2019s leading a good, peaceful life.<\/p>\n<p>Verse 4 goes on to say, \u201cIf you do wrong, you need to be afraid; for he, the ruler\/the governor, does not bear the sword in vain. He is the servant of God and avenger, who carries out God\u2019s wrath on wrongdoers.\u201d One of the functions of human government is to restrain the evil impulses of the human heart. One of the God-ordained functions of the government is to execute God\u2019s judgement on people who are wrongdoers.<\/p>\n<p>Verse 5 says: \u201cTherefore, one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God\u2019s wrath, but also for the sake of conscience.\u201d That verse is simply saying the reason we obey government is not simply so we won\u2019t get thrown in jail, but because it\u2019s right to do so; because God wants you to obey government. We do it for the sake of conscience, not just to avoid penalty.<\/p>\n<p>Then, this passage wraps up: \u201cIt\u2019s because of this that you pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed; revenue to whom revenue is owed; respect to whom respect is owed; honor to whom honor is owed.\u201d There\u2019s a level of honor we give to the governing authorities and people who are in authority over us; but the greatest\/highest honor goes to God.<\/p>\n<p>God has instituted three human institutions: the church, the family, and the government. God\u2019s purposes for the family are that the family will\/in marriage, we reflect the image of God in a unique way: we provide companionship; we are fruitful and multiply\/we fill the earth; we disciple and care for the needs of our children. The family is the basic unit of any civilization.<\/p>\n<p>God\u2019s purpose for the church is that we will come together for corporate worship\/for prayer; that we will evangelize; that we\u2019ll disciple; that we\u2019ll take the gospel to the nations; that we\u2019ll become people, whose lives are marked by holiness, and righteousness, and justice; and that we\u2019ll care for one another\u2019s needs; and that we\u2019ll care for our world and our city. That\u2019s the purpose for the church.<\/p>\n<p>What\u2019s God\u2019s purpose for government? Well, God has ordained government\u2014that was my first point\u2014so let me get to the second point. The purpose of government is to restrain evil and promote justice and righteousness in our world. Why does God give us government?\u2014to restrain evil\u2014that\u2019s one part; but also to promote righteousness and justice in our world. I\u2019m going to quote from Chuck Colson here: \u201cThe state was instituted by God to restrain sin and promote a just social order. Government is, in one sense, God\u2019s response to the nature of people themselves.\u201d God recognizes we\u2019re sinful; so He says, \u201cYou\u2019re going to need to be governed; your sin is going to need a governor on it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He goes on to say, \u201cWhile the state cannot redeem the world or be used as a tool to establish the kingdom of God, civil government does set the boundaries for human behavior.\u201d That\u2019s very important\u2014the state cannot redeem anybody\u2014the state does not have the gospel; the state has laws. The state cannot be used as a tool to establish the kingdom of God on earth. It is the function of the church to bring the kingdom of God into society, not the state.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBut\u201d\u2014he [Colson] says\u2014\u201cthe state should be setting boundaries for human behavior.\u201d This is important to understand; we\u2019re going to come back to this more in just a minute. It\u2019s not the role of government to seek to establish the kingdom of heaven on earth. You don\u2019t bring the kingdom through law; you bring the kingdom through the gospel.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe state,\u201d\u2014Colson says\u2014\u201cis not a remedy for sin. The state is a means of restraining sin.\u201d Government and law can never cure what\u2019s deeply wrong with us; only the gospel can do that. Colson says\/he goes on to say \u201cGovernment\u2019s limited task is to promote the good of the community in its temporal concerns: the protection of life and property and the preservation of peace and order.\u201d That\u2019s a pretty good description of what government is supposed to do: \u201cSo what\u2019s God\u2019s purpose for government?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s where it is.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s our third point this morning: government and religion have complementary and, sometimes, overlapping objectives. This is where we run into all kinds of problems, where we get confused about what belongs to Caesar and what belongs to God. \u201cSo how do we deal with this kind of an overlap?\u201d I\u2019m going to give you a general principle here. Even this has some problems with it, but here\u2019s the principle: \u201cThe state is concerned with our behavior and our actions; the church has a more significant responsibility\u2014it is to address the heart.\u201d The church is concerned about our behavior and our actions, too, flowing out of the heart. Where the state veers into the wrong lane is when the state tries to get your heart changed; that\u2019s not its purview or its actions.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s the problem with this: our actions flow out of our heart\u2014so you can\u2019t separate and say you have one thing\/what you believe in your heart or what your convictions are, and then what your behavior is\u2014the two are linked together. To try to say the church is responsible for the heart and then the behavior that flows out of that, but the state should only regulate behavior\u2014that\u2019s a little disingenuous because the state does have a compelling interest to try to get us to embrace civic virtues, for example. The state has a compelling reason to say that we should value human life; that\u2019s why we don\u2019t murder one another. It\u2019s not just behavior modification.<\/p>\n<p>But primarily\u2014here\u2019s the principle\u2014primarily, the church should be working on the heart, while the state is restraining evil behavior. The work of the church is, ultimately, to have an impact on the nature of a society as people live out their faith. If the church is doing its job right, the government will benefit; and if government is doing its job right, the church should benefit.<\/p>\n<p>One of the functions of government, under God, is to protect the work of the church to establish it and enable it to flourish. That\u2019s why we have the First Amendment in our Constitution; so that, when we fail to recognize and live out this division of responsibilities between what the church should do and what the government should do, we get into all kinds of trouble. What do I mean by that? When the state tries to coerce or get you to think certain things, the government is overreaching at that point. When the state is trying to address your heart and your conscience, that\u2019s not the job of government.<\/p>\n<p>Let\u2019s get to the fourth point\u2014we\u2019ve really been skating around this fourth principle\u2014and that is: \u201cThat problems arise when either the church or the state overreach.\u201d When they stay in their lanes, we\u2019re in good shape; when they overreach, we\u2019ve got a problem. Problems occur when the state seeks to expand its power beyond its mandate to restrain evil, preserve order, and promote justice. Government officials, whether it\u2019s in ancient Rome, or Communist China, or even in our country\u2014they don\u2019t mind if you have a religious belief and religious practices as long as you keep it to yourself and as long as you have a higher allegiance to them than you do to your religion.<\/p>\n<p>We have to recognize that this is a part of the dilemma\u2014the conflict between church and state\u2014there are many who say the state should come first, and the church should come second. Honestly, I think part of the problem we\u2019re facing in our nation today is that we\u2019ve been taught that the role, and the nature, and the function of government is more expansive and far more reaching than the Founders ever intended for it to be. On the other hand, the church has also overreached throughout the centuries; sometimes, the church has taken on governmental authority.<\/p>\n<p>You can look at the Holy Roman Empire\u2014and see that it was church and state fused together\u2014and that was highly problematic. Or look at the Inquisition\/the heresy trials\u2014people who were put to death by the government for having false doctrine in Europe in the 1500s and 1600s; you\u2019re burned at the stake because you\u2019re a heretic\u2014that\u2019s not the role of the government. This is a case of the church overreaching and assuming governmental power. Chuck Colson says, \u201cThe church, whose principle function is to proclaim the good news and witness the values of the kingdom of God, must resist the temptation illusion that it can usher in the kingdom through political means.\u201d He makes this important observation; he says, \u201cJesus was remarkably indifferent about those who held political power; he had no desire to replace Caesar or Pilate with Peter and John.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s the fifth principle I want us to address this morning: \u201cWhen people are moral and godly people, government has less to do. And when people are ungodly, government has more to do.\u201d The idea here is that, for our government to work and for people to flourish and have freedom\u2014for freedom to prevail and evil to be kept in check\u2014we need people to be moral people.<\/p>\n<p>If we think that good laws and good law enforcement will keep immoral people in check, we\u2019re fooling ourselves. We have to have some basic civic morality that has to exist. The work of the church, at one level, is to promote holiness, and righteousness, and goodness in our lives so that we become those model citizens. When we do that, we\u2019re serving, not just God, but we\u2019re helping the government be more effective.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s what I think this says to us: \u201cThe most important thing we can do for our country is to advance the work of the church.\u201d \u201cDo you want to see our country thrive?\u201d\u2014our country is going to thrive when people are more moral\/when we are more godly people. It doesn\u2019t matter as much who the next president is; what matters is who God\u2019s people are\u2014that\u2019s more important than who gets elected.<\/p>\n<p>Is it possible\/is it possible that the gates of hell will prevail against America at some point? It\u2019s, not only possible, it\u2019s likely. If you are a student of history, you know that empires do not last forever: the Roman Empire crumbled; there was a time when the sun never set on the British Empire\u2014that time is not today\u2014the Soviet Union is no more. There\u2019s no guarantee that America, as a superpower, will still be a superpower<\/p>\n<p>50 years from now. The gates of hell may prevail; kingdoms come and go.<\/p>\n<p>Let me ask you this: \u201cWhatever happens in our country, can the gates of hell prevail against the church?\u201d\u2014no! \u201cDo you want to be on the winning team?\u201d\u2014be about the work of the church; His kingdom is forever.<\/p>\n<p>If your hope for our country is in who gets elected, we\u2019re all in deep trouble. I see way too many of us\u2014and I tend to go here often\u2014who get more exercised and more passionate about what\u2019s happening in the news cycle, and what\u2019s happening in Washington, than about the needs of the church\u2014and how I can live this out\u2014about the spiritual condition of my own life; about my neighbor\u2019s spiritual condition\/how I can love them.<\/p>\n<p>Which have you been more exercised over in the last month? Be informed; pay attention to the news; maybe don\u2019t pay attention to everything that someone shares with you on Facebook<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, because there\u2019s some stuff on Facebook that\u2019s just not true; okay? Be discerning; be wise. Let me also say\u2014maybe listen to more than just your default news source; maybe listen to a broader range of things and hear from other perspectives just to expand the way you think.<\/p>\n<p>The future of our country is in the hand of a sovereign God, so we remain faithful; we do what He\u2019s called us to do. We serve Him; we serve our neighbors. We vote; we encourage others to vote; we seek to persuade\u2014but our hope is in God, not in what happens in November. I know that, whatever happens, there are going to be some amazing kingdom opportunities ahead for us. There are going to be opportunities for us to show the love and the grace of Jesus to others in ways that will astound them in the midst of the unrest. There is going to be an opportunity for us to show a peace that passes understanding and a hope that goes beyond our circumstances.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s going to be an opportunity to demonstrate that, because of Jesus, I don\u2019t have a spirit of fear; but I have a power, and a love, and a sound mind even as we watch the world wobble. There are good days and good kingdom work ahead. There are opportunities for us to love our neighbor and love our enemies in some ways that will astound them. Maybe God will use that to open their eyes to the gospel.<\/p>\n<p>[Studio]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve been listening to a portion of a message I shared recently at our church. [Applause] Thank you. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> This was fun; way to go!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> This was really the first part of a three-part series that I did. In fact, this week, we\u2019re going to hear a little more from that series. I think all of us need to be thinking carefully\/biblically. We need to be setting our mind on things that are above, not on things that are on the earth. We need to participate in this election season, but this is not where our hope is.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Sometimes it\u2019s hard, because we\u2019re run by our emotions.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>This was a really good place to kind of sit back\/to put our eyes back on Jesus.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I think a lot of us in the church don\u2019t know how to think biblically about government. Way to go! Way to tackle this.<\/p>\n<p>In a lot of ways, at church, it\u2019s like in your kitchen\u2014it\u2019s like: \u201cDon\u2019t talk about religion; don\u2019t talk about politics.\u201d Sometimes we don\u2019t do that in church either. You didn\u2019t get up there and say who to vote for; but you gave us perspective to say, \u201cWho you vote for is not going to be the ultimate answer to our hope.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> In the third message I did, I said, \u201cHere\u2019s how you decide who you vote for\u2026\u201d I didn\u2019t say, \u201cHere\u2019s who you vote for.\u201d I said, \u201cHere\u2019s what you bring to bear as you prayerfully make the decision about who you\u2019re going to vote for\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> What was the response from the congregation?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> I confessed, at the beginning of this message, that: \u201cI don\u2019t think I\u2019ve spoken on anything that gave me more apprehension\/more anxiety about: \u2018How is this going to be received in a divided culture like we\u2019re living in?\u2019\u201d But I got a very warm response from people, saying, \u201cI needed this; this was helpful. I needed someone to point me back to Scripture in the midst of all of this.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In fact, this entire message, both audio and video, is available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com, along with links to the other two messages from this series. If listeners would like an opportunity to hear the entire message or view the entire message, go to FamilyLifeToday.com and access the links. Again, audio and video both available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com. If you\u2019d like to share these links with others, you can do that on our website as well. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>We wanted to let you know about something that is going to be happening, starting next Thursday night. Thursday night October 29<sup>th<\/sup>, we are having an online live small group. Dave and Ann and I are going to be together to talk about what biblical love looks like. 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Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Politics, Jesus, and the gospel\u2014that\u2019s controversial stuff in our day. How do we talk about that and think about that in a healthy biblical way? We\u2019ll talk about that today. Stay with us.<\/p>\n<p>And welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Monday edition. You guys have noticed there\u2019s an election coming up in a couple weeks?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Is there? I haven\u2019t noticed. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s impossible to not notice.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>It sure is.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> It is impossible. I think maybe there\u2019s more anxiety, and more fear, more concern, more passion at some level about this upcoming election than I remember seeing in my lifetime.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> I agree with that. I\u2019ve never seen this kind of fear or anticipation.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014and division across our country for months now. I think every four years, every election has a lot of intensity to it, but this one is ratcheted up by 100.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019m excited because we get the opportunity to hear you preaching today, Bob, on a subject that I\u2019m interested in. How did you determine to talk about this?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> At church\u2014boy, that\u2019s tackling it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was looking at what was going on in our culture\/in our church and thinking, \u201cWe need to renew our minds, biblically, on how we think about politics, an upcoming election, Jesus, the gospel. How does all of that fit together? How should our thinking be influenced\/directed, really, by what we read in Scripture?\u201d I did a series of three messages at our church called \u201cJesus, Politics, and the Gospel.\u201d I started by saying, \u201cWe need to think rightly about government itself; government is a gift from God.\u201d I don\u2019t want to dive into it here, because we\u2019re going to hear it as we get into this message.<\/p>\n<p>You remember Jesus meeting with the Pharisees\u2014they said, \u201cShould we pay taxes?\u201d\u2014He said, \u201cShow me the coin.\u201d He said, \u201cWhose face is on this side?\u201d \u201cCaesar.\u201d He said, \u201cThen render unto Caesar that which is Caesar\u2019s, and render unto God what belongs to Him.\u201d Jesus is affirming that there\u2019s a right place for government in our lives; government is an institution ordained by God. There were five principles about human government that I drew from Scripture; I took our congregation through that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s a timely message.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Let\u2019s go; I want to hear it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Alright; here\u2019s a portion of that message.<\/p>\n<p>[Recorded Message]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> The first one is: \u201cGovernment Is an Institution Ordained by God: It Is Both Necessary and Good.\u201d God is responsible for giving us government. When Jesus answers the question about paying taxes, He affirms, in the process, the goodness of government. It just so happens that the government He\u2019s affirming in this case is an oppressive, wholly secular government, which is interesting. Jesus does not here pause to get into the politics of what is righteous vs. unrighteous governance. He is simply affirming that government is a part of God\u2019s design for humanity.<\/p>\n<p>Some Bible commentators say that\u2014when Paul, in Romans 13, talks about our relationship to government\u2014he\u2019s actually providing a commentary on this event from Jesus\u2019 life. In fact, let me read through Romans 13, the first seven verses, and just walk you through it. Verse 1 says, \u201cLet every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Now let that sink in for just a minute. The Tiberius Caesar administration in Jesus\u2019 day was instituted by God. The <em>terrifying<\/em> reign of Emperor Nero in the Roman Empire was instituted by God. The Obama administration was instituted by God. The Trump administration was instituted by God. If there is a Biden administration, it will be instituted by God; the Kim Jong-un administration in North Korea is instituted by God; the Hitler administration in Nazi Germany was instituted by God.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, you flinch at that; right? How do we make sense of that? Well, remember that James says, in James, Chapter 1, that God is not the author of evil even though He superintends all things that come to pass. He does allow evil to exist for His own purposes. R.C. Sproul says this\u2014he says: \u201cIn the providence of God, there is no government that can ever come to power except through God\u2019s ordination.\u201d But that does not necessarily mean that the powers that be are approved of by God. How can He ordain and not approve?\u2014because He is God, and He is working out His purposes in ways that we don\u2019t understand. Verse 1, again: \u201cThere is no authority except from God.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The second thing this passage says is: \u201cTherefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgement.\u201d This doesn\u2019t mean there is <em>never<\/em> be a time when civil disobedience is not necessary. There will be times when we <em>must<\/em> oppose the government. When are those times? We must oppose the government when it requires that we do things that God forbids, or it forbids us from doing things that God requires. Our general default position, as followers of Jesus, is to obey governing authorities and be good citizens. God wants us to do that.<\/p>\n<p>Verse 3 in Romans 13 says: \u201cRulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive His approval, for he is God\u2019s servant for your good.\u201d Now, this is not an absolute statement; this is a general principle. Some rulers are terrors; but in general, even in secular countries, most governing authorities are not going to be too troubled by somebody who\u2019s leading a good, peaceful life.<\/p>\n<p>Verse 4 goes on to say, \u201cIf you do wrong, you need to be afraid; for he, the ruler\/the governor, does not bear the sword in vain. He is the servant of God and avenger, who carries out God\u2019s wrath on wrongdoers.\u201d One of the functions of human government is to restrain the evil impulses of the human heart. One of the God-ordained functions of the government is to execute God\u2019s judgement on people who are wrongdoers.<\/p>\n<p>Verse 5 says: \u201cTherefore, one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God\u2019s wrath, but also for the sake of conscience.\u201d That verse is simply saying the reason we obey government is not simply so we won\u2019t get thrown in jail, but because it\u2019s right to do so; because God wants you to obey government. We do it for the sake of conscience, not just to avoid penalty.<\/p>\n<p>Then, this passage wraps up: \u201cIt\u2019s because of this that you pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed; revenue to whom revenue is owed; respect to whom respect is owed; honor to whom honor is owed.\u201d There\u2019s a level of honor we give to the governing authorities and people who are in authority over us; but the greatest\/highest honor goes to God.<\/p>\n<p>God has instituted three human institutions: the church, the family, and the government. God\u2019s purposes for the family are that the family will\/in marriage, we reflect the image of God in a unique way: we provide companionship; we are fruitful and multiply\/we fill the earth; we disciple and care for the needs of our children. The family is the basic unit of any civilization.<\/p>\n<p>God\u2019s purpose for the church is that we will come together for corporate worship\/for prayer; that we will evangelize; that we\u2019ll disciple; that we\u2019ll take the gospel to the nations; that we\u2019ll become people, whose lives are marked by holiness, and righteousness, and justice; and that we\u2019ll care for one another\u2019s needs; and that we\u2019ll care for our world and our city. That\u2019s the purpose for the church.<\/p>\n<p>What\u2019s God\u2019s purpose for government? Well, God has ordained government\u2014that was my first point\u2014so let me get to the second point. The purpose of government is to restrain evil and promote justice and righteousness in our world. Why does God give us government?\u2014to restrain evil\u2014that\u2019s one part; but also to promote righteousness and justice in our world. I\u2019m going to quote from Chuck Colson here: \u201cThe state was instituted by God to restrain sin and promote a just social order. Government is, in one sense, God\u2019s response to the nature of people themselves.\u201d God recognizes we\u2019re sinful; so He says, \u201cYou\u2019re going to need to be governed; your sin is going to need a governor on it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He goes on to say, \u201cWhile the state cannot redeem the world or be used as a tool to establish the kingdom of God, civil government does set the boundaries for human behavior.\u201d That\u2019s very important\u2014the state cannot redeem anybody\u2014the state does not have the gospel; the state has laws. The state cannot be used as a tool to establish the kingdom of God on earth. It is the function of the church to bring the kingdom of God into society, not the state.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBut\u201d\u2014he [Colson] says\u2014\u201cthe state should be setting boundaries for human behavior.\u201d This is important to understand; we\u2019re going to come back to this more in just a minute. It\u2019s not the role of government to seek to establish the kingdom of heaven on earth. You don\u2019t bring the kingdom through law; you bring the kingdom through the gospel.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe state,\u201d\u2014Colson says\u2014\u201cis not a remedy for sin. The state is a means of restraining sin.\u201d Government and law can never cure what\u2019s deeply wrong with us; only the gospel can do that. Colson says\/he goes on to say \u201cGovernment\u2019s limited task is to promote the good of the community in its temporal concerns: the protection of life and property and the preservation of peace and order.\u201d That\u2019s a pretty good description of what government is supposed to do: \u201cSo what\u2019s God\u2019s purpose for government?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s where it is.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s our third point this morning: government and religion have complementary and, sometimes, overlapping objectives. This is where we run into all kinds of problems, where we get confused about what belongs to Caesar and what belongs to God. \u201cSo how do we deal with this kind of an overlap?\u201d I\u2019m going to give you a general principle here. Even this has some problems with it, but here\u2019s the principle: \u201cThe state is concerned with our behavior and our actions; the church has a more significant responsibility\u2014it is to address the heart.\u201d The church is concerned about our behavior and our actions, too, flowing out of the heart. Where the state veers into the wrong lane is when the state tries to get your heart changed; that\u2019s not its purview or its actions.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s the problem with this: our actions flow out of our heart\u2014so you can\u2019t separate and say you have one thing\/what you believe in your heart or what your convictions are, and then what your behavior is\u2014the two are linked together. To try to say the church is responsible for the heart and then the behavior that flows out of that, but the state should only regulate behavior\u2014that\u2019s a little disingenuous because the state does have a compelling interest to try to get us to embrace civic virtues, for example. The state has a compelling reason to say that we should value human life; that\u2019s why we don\u2019t murder one another. It\u2019s not just behavior modification.<\/p>\n<p>But primarily\u2014here\u2019s the principle\u2014primarily, the church should be working on the heart, while the state is restraining evil behavior. The work of the church is, ultimately, to have an impact on the nature of a society as people live out their faith. If the church is doing its job right, the government will benefit; and if government is doing its job right, the church should benefit.<\/p>\n<p>One of the functions of government, under God, is to protect the work of the church to establish it and enable it to flourish. That\u2019s why we have the First Amendment in our Constitution; so that, when we fail to recognize and live out this division of responsibilities between what the church should do and what the government should do, we get into all kinds of trouble. What do I mean by that? When the state tries to coerce or get you to think certain things, the government is overreaching at that point. When the state is trying to address your heart and your conscience, that\u2019s not the job of government.<\/p>\n<p>Let\u2019s get to the fourth point\u2014we\u2019ve really been skating around this fourth principle\u2014and that is: \u201cThat problems arise when either the church or the state overreach.\u201d When they stay in their lanes, we\u2019re in good shape; when they overreach, we\u2019ve got a problem. Problems occur when the state seeks to expand its power beyond its mandate to restrain evil, preserve order, and promote justice. Government officials, whether it\u2019s in ancient Rome, or Communist China, or even in our country\u2014they don\u2019t mind if you have a religious belief and religious practices as long as you keep it to yourself and as long as you have a higher allegiance to them than you do to your religion.<\/p>\n<p>We have to recognize that this is a part of the dilemma\u2014the conflict between church and state\u2014there are many who say the state should come first, and the church should come second. Honestly, I think part of the problem we\u2019re facing in our nation today is that we\u2019ve been taught that the role, and the nature, and the function of government is more expansive and far more reaching than the Founders ever intended for it to be. On the other hand, the church has also overreached throughout the centuries; sometimes, the church has taken on governmental authority.<\/p>\n<p>You can look at the Holy Roman Empire\u2014and see that it was church and state fused together\u2014and that was highly problematic. Or look at the Inquisition\/the heresy trials\u2014people who were put to death by the government for having false doctrine in Europe in the 1500s and 1600s; you\u2019re burned at the stake because you\u2019re a heretic\u2014that\u2019s not the role of the government. This is a case of the church overreaching and assuming governmental power. Chuck Colson says, \u201cThe church, whose principle function is to proclaim the good news and witness the values of the kingdom of God, must resist the temptation illusion that it can usher in the kingdom through political means.\u201d He makes this important observation; he says, \u201cJesus was remarkably indifferent about those who held political power; he had no desire to replace Caesar or Pilate with Peter and John.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s the fifth principle I want us to address this morning: \u201cWhen people are moral and godly people, government has less to do. And when people are ungodly, government has more to do.\u201d The idea here is that, for our government to work and for people to flourish and have freedom\u2014for freedom to prevail and evil to be kept in check\u2014we need people to be moral people.<\/p>\n<p>If we think that good laws and good law enforcement will keep immoral people in check, we\u2019re fooling ourselves. We have to have some basic civic morality that has to exist. The work of the church, at one level, is to promote holiness, and righteousness, and goodness in our lives so that we become those model citizens. When we do that, we\u2019re serving, not just God, but we\u2019re helping the government be more effective.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s what I think this says to us: \u201cThe most important thing we can do for our country is to advance the work of the church.\u201d \u201cDo you want to see our country thrive?\u201d\u2014our country is going to thrive when people are more moral\/when we are more godly people. It doesn\u2019t matter as much who the next president is; what matters is who God\u2019s people are\u2014that\u2019s more important than who gets elected.<\/p>\n<p>Is it possible\/is it possible that the gates of hell will prevail against America at some point? It\u2019s, not only possible, it\u2019s likely. If you are a student of history, you know that empires do not last forever: the Roman Empire crumbled; there was a time when the sun never set on the British Empire\u2014that time is not today\u2014the Soviet Union is no more. There\u2019s no guarantee that America, as a superpower, will still be a superpower<\/p>\n<p>50 years from now. The gates of hell may prevail; kingdoms come and go.<\/p>\n<p>Let me ask you this: \u201cWhatever happens in our country, can the gates of hell prevail against the church?\u201d\u2014no! \u201cDo you want to be on the winning team?\u201d\u2014be about the work of the church; His kingdom is forever.<\/p>\n<p>If your hope for our country is in who gets elected, we\u2019re all in deep trouble. I see way too many of us\u2014and I tend to go here often\u2014who get more exercised and more passionate about what\u2019s happening in the news cycle, and what\u2019s happening in Washington, than about the needs of the church\u2014and how I can live this out\u2014about the spiritual condition of my own life; about my neighbor\u2019s spiritual condition\/how I can love them.<\/p>\n<p>Which have you been more exercised over in the last month? Be informed; pay attention to the news; maybe don\u2019t pay attention to everything that someone shares with you on Facebook<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, because there\u2019s some stuff on Facebook that\u2019s just not true; okay? Be discerning; be wise. Let me also say\u2014maybe listen to more than just your default news source; maybe listen to a broader range of things and hear from other perspectives just to expand the way you think.<\/p>\n<p>The future of our country is in the hand of a sovereign God, so we remain faithful; we do what He\u2019s called us to do. We serve Him; we serve our neighbors. We vote; we encourage others to vote; we seek to persuade\u2014but our hope is in God, not in what happens in November. I know that, whatever happens, there are going to be some amazing kingdom opportunities ahead for us. There are going to be opportunities for us to show the love and the grace of Jesus to others in ways that will astound them in the midst of the unrest. There is going to be an opportunity for us to show a peace that passes understanding and a hope that goes beyond our circumstances.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s going to be an opportunity to demonstrate that, because of Jesus, I don\u2019t have a spirit of fear; but I have a power, and a love, and a sound mind even as we watch the world wobble. There are good days and good kingdom work ahead. There are opportunities for us to love our neighbor and love our enemies in some ways that will astound them. Maybe God will use that to open their eyes to the gospel.<\/p>\n<p>[Studio]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve been listening to a portion of a message I shared recently at our church. [Applause] Thank you. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> This was fun; way to go!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> This was really the first part of a three-part series that I did. In fact, this week, we\u2019re going to hear a little more from that series. I think all of us need to be thinking carefully\/biblically. We need to be setting our mind on things that are above, not on things that are on the earth. We need to participate in this election season, but this is not where our hope is.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Sometimes it\u2019s hard, because we\u2019re run by our emotions.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann: <\/strong>This was a really good place to kind of sit back\/to put our eyes back on Jesus.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I think a lot of us in the church don\u2019t know how to think biblically about government. Way to go! Way to tackle this.<\/p>\n<p>In a lot of ways, at church, it\u2019s like in your kitchen\u2014it\u2019s like: \u201cDon\u2019t talk about religion; don\u2019t talk about politics.\u201d Sometimes we don\u2019t do that in church either. You didn\u2019t get up there and say who to vote for; but you gave us perspective to say, \u201cWho you vote for is not going to be the ultimate answer to our hope.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> In the third message I did, I said, \u201cHere\u2019s how you decide who you vote for\u2026\u201d I didn\u2019t say, \u201cHere\u2019s who you vote for.\u201d I said, \u201cHere\u2019s what you bring to bear as you prayerfully make the decision about who you\u2019re going to vote for\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> What was the response from the congregation?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> I confessed, at the beginning of this message, that: \u201cI don\u2019t think I\u2019ve spoken on anything that gave me more apprehension\/more anxiety about: \u2018How is this going to be received in a divided culture like we\u2019re living in?\u2019\u201d But I got a very warm response from people, saying, \u201cI needed this; this was helpful. I needed someone to point me back to Scripture in the midst of all of this.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In fact, this entire message, both audio and video, is available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com, along with links to the other two messages from this series. If listeners would like an opportunity to hear the entire message or view the entire message, go to FamilyLifeToday.com and access the links. Again, audio and video both available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com. If you\u2019d like to share these links with others, you can do that on our website as well. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>We wanted to let you know about something that is going to be happening, starting next Thursday night. Thursday night October 29<sup>th<\/sup>, we are having an online live small group. Dave and Ann and I are going to be together to talk about what biblical love looks like. It\u2019s a <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> three-session small group on Thursday nights on Facebook Live. We\u2019d <em>love<\/em> to have you join us. There\u2019s information about this on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014starting next Thursday night, October 29<sup>th<\/sup>, continuing for three weeks\u2014each Thursday night at 7:00 Central Time. Find out more about the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> online small group with Dave and Ann Wilson and me. It all kicks off next Thursday night; and again, the information is online at FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>We hope you can join us back, again, tomorrow when we\u2019re going to talk about how we can have conversations about politics, where we disagree, and still preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. That\u2019s what the Bible tells us to do; we\u2019ll talk about how to do that tomorrow. I hope you can join us for that.<\/p>\n<p>I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>We are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?<\/p>\n<p>Copyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2020 FamilyLife. 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