{"id":306393,"date":"2020-09-08T07:00:04","date_gmt":"2020-09-08T11:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/leaving-a-legacy-of-enduring-faith\/"},"modified":"2024-10-08T00:23:59","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T04:23:59","slug":"leaving-a-legacy-of-enduring-faith","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/leaving-a-legacy-of-enduring-faith\/","title":{"rendered":"Leaving a Legacy of Enduring Faith"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>NFL players Dan Orlovsky, Jon Kitna, and Josh McCown talk about the lasting legacy of their years together in Detroit, not just playing football but also letting their light shine.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/mp3.familylife.com\/fl2020-09-08.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:33:18","filesize":"30.49M","filesize_raw":"31975462","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2906,2826,2821],"tags":[7011,5684,5213],"podcast_series":[8389],"cwp_profile":[9651,9650,9652],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-306393","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-becoming-a-christian","category-men","category-reaching-out","tag-belief","tag-football","tag-sports","podcast_series-revival-in-the-locker-room","cwp_profile-dan-orlovsky","cwp_profile-jon-kitna","cwp_profile-josh-mccown","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/306393\/leaving-a-legacy-of-enduring-faith","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/306393\/leaving-a-legacy-of-enduring-faith","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"pFmEA7vAkm\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/leaving-a-legacy-of-enduring-faith\/\">Leaving a Legacy of Enduring Faith<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/leaving-a-legacy-of-enduring-faith\/embed\/#?secret=pFmEA7vAkm\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Leaving a Legacy of Enduring Faith&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"pFmEA7vAkm\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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But it didn\u2019t take Dan Orlovsky long to recognize that, although his football career was looking promising, the rest of his life wasn\u2019t.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dan: <\/strong>I was heading down a path of becoming everything I did <em>not<\/em> want to become when it comes to being a husband and being a dad. I was going to cheat on my wife at some point, whoever that wife was going to be; I was going to cut down my kids, and belittle them, and intimidate them, and kind of become this version of myself that was my greatest fear.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, September 8<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019re going to hear from Dan Orlovsky today and teammates Jon Kitna and Josh McCown about how God did a work in all of their lives, and a lot of their teammates\u2019 lives, back in 2006. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. Does it matter to you who is in the opening game of the season, whether you like these teams or care about the teams or not, or are you just going to watch the first game of the season\u2014I\u2019m talking about football, you know, which is getting started here\u2014does it matter what two teams are playing, or will you just be there no matter what?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I\u2019ll be there no matter what.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes, he will.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It\u2019s exciting. Again, I\u2019m not the guy that sits on the couch and watches every NFL game; but I do like to watch an occasional game, and I get excited. You know, you get your Diet Coke<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> and you jump over there on the couch. Again, I\u2019m a guy that, for 33 seasons, was on the sideline and never got to do this. I didn\u2019t realize how <em>wonderful<\/em> it is to lay on a couch, watch the replay, yell at the screen\u2014none of that I could do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I was so surprised that you liked it; because I thought, \u201cOh, this is going to be so hard for you to transition out\u201d; and you\u2019re loving it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; I was never a fan, and now I\u2019m a fan. Before, you\u2019re there\u2014you can\u2019t experience what the typical fan experiences\u2014and I think it\u2019s fun.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>What about wings or particular food that you\u2019re going to have\u2014pretzels or\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Oh, all of it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>He\u2019s a popcorn guy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014<em>and<\/em> pretzels <em>and <\/em>wings.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, we\u2019re talking about football because football\u2019s been a big part of your life. For 33 years you were the chaplain for the Detroit Lions. You played college football at Ball State; you were a college all-star playing for Ball State.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Hall of Famer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Thank you, honey; thanks for throwing that in. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You, in your years as chaplain, you saw God do some great things in players\u2019 lives; but we\u2019ve been looking this week at the 2006\/2007 season for the Detroit Lions, which was a remarkable year\u2014a year of spiritual renewal and revival in the locker room\u2014that really centered around, as we\u2019ve already heard this week, two guys who came into the team, already sold out for Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s Jon Kitna and Josh McCown.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Then, there was a third guy who shows up, who\u2019s a quarterback; and he wasn\u2019t in the same place, spiritually; was he?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>No; on a football team, there are different positions; and they really spend a lot of time in those positions. There\u2019s the quarterback room, which had a quarterback coach; Jon the starter; Josh the backup; and Dan, the third-string rookie, really in his second year. They\u2019re spending a lot of time together; it becomes a small group in a sense.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDan is <em>watching<\/em> Jon, who\u2019s this on-fire <em>strong<\/em> man of God, and Josh, the same thing. I\u2019d never seen that, in all my time in Detroit\u2014these two quarterbacks who had, not only these unique walks with God, but they also understood: \u201cWe\u2019re not here just to win football games here. We\u2019re here to win a locker room to Jesus,\u201d\u2014they were on mission, and Dan got to watch them. Dan started to ask questions, like, \u201cWhat is this faith that you guys have?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>It\u2019s interesting, too\u2014you may be listening to this, thinking, \u201cOh, I\u2019m not going to listen to this; because it\u2019s about football.\u201d But we all interact with people\u2014in our workplace; as moms, maybe you\u2019re at school functions and watching your kids do things\u2014we all are on a mission; it\u2019s not just football.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>This story really isn\u2019t about football; it\u2019s a lot bigger.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is a God story. We had a chance recently to get these three guys together\u2014Jon Kitna, Josh McCown, Dan Orlovsky\u2014and revisit what happened in Detroit in 2006\/2007 and the transformation that was just about to take place in Dan Orlovsky\u2019s life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I want to get back to Dan\u2019s story a little bit; because Josh and Jon, you came to me\u2014I think one Saturday, mid-season\/Dan would know for sure\u2014but you said, \u201cHey, man, I think if you share the gospel tonight at chapel, Dan\u2019s ready.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh: <\/strong>\u2014before the Green Bay game.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Correct; I was just like, \u201cWow! That means, not only are you guys praying and sharing with Dan in the locker room in the quarterback room, but you\u2019re seeing some movement.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI shared the gospel that night. I didn\u2019t always have an invitation at chapel, but I did; I closed it and said, \u201cHey, tonight\u2019s your night; give your life to Christ.\u201d I hear <em>nothing<\/em>. You know, you guys go to meetings; I go home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNext day, I\u2019m on the sideline\u2014I don\u2019t know if you remember this\u2014but Kit, you\u2019re running over to go onto the field after a punt\/offense taking the field\u2014I\u2019m standing there. Dan has the headset on, Josh is up there, and you literally run by me\u2014Kit, you remember this?\u2014and you go, \u201cHey, man, ask Dan what happened last night.\u201d You run on the field; and I\u2019m like, \u201cWho is thinking about this right now in an NFL game?!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jon: <\/strong>It\u2019s probably why we\u2019re 3-13.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes, exactly! [Laughter] I walk over to Dan during time-out; and I\u2019m like, \u201cDude, what happened last night?\u201d He goes, \u201cDude, I gave my life to Christ! I\u2019ll tell you later.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, Dan, talk us through this; what happened?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dan: <\/strong>Well, we have to go back in time a little bit; because we talked about meeting Josh and Jon, and then their initial dive into the locker room. I\u2019m watching them; and my thoughts are starting to kind of figure out, \u201cOkay, there\u2019s something different about them.\u201d I start to ask them questions about the way they live their life and why they live their life. They\u2019re both incredibly open and transparent about it all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m that annoying young player that\/I\u2019m asking more non-football questions than football questions, really. They really both decide to\/they start inviting me into their lives and start answering the questions with actions. Kit kind of takes me under his wing of discipleship, and I start going to Kitna\u2019s house a couple times a week\u2014correct me if I\u2019m wrong\u2014I want to say five a.m. or something like that. It\u2019s five o\u2019 clock in the morning; I\u2019m going to Kit\u2019s house. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe starts me off\u2014I remember the first time we did it, he said, \u201cI want you to read \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t1 John, Chapter 1.\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cAlright; where\u2019s 1 John?\u201d [Laughter] I was on this journey. I didn\u2019t want to believe in Christianity strictly because the quarterbacks of my team did it and I thought that was my way to play in the NFL for a long time. I asked a lot of unique and difficult questions. I really dove into this studying\u2014because I\u2019m like you, Wilson, in many ways\u2014skeptical and try to prove people wrong type thing. I read 1 John, and Kitna\u2019s discipling me through it. Then he asked me, \u201cAlright, now you\u2019re going to read Acts\u201d; so I read Acts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re going on this journey, month after month; meanwhile, sprinkling in Bible study on Thursdays and the couples study\u2014me, as a single person\u2014on Monday nights. I\u2019m going to all these studies. Kit is discipling me, one on one, in the mornings; and then, obviously, we\u2019re with each other almost every single day. We\u2019re playing golf with each other all the time; we\u2019re playing hoops with each other all the time. In many ways, they were discipling me with the actual Bible; and then they were discipling me with their actions, and their words, and their everyday life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat September 23, 2006, was my second year. I\u2019m pretty into\u2014I\u2019m on fire at this point\u2014and pretty into my discipleship and whatnot. We\u2019re in chapel that night. I\u2019m sitting somewhere in the middle of the room. I just remember you going like, \u201cGuys, I don\u2019t normally do this, but it\u2019s put on my heart that I should give someone the opportunity or anybody the opportunity to accept Christ tonight.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember sitting there and going, \u201cNo way. [Laughter] I think Wilson\u2019s talking to me, but I\u2019m not going to say anything.\u201d He\u2019s like, \u201cAlright, close your eyes and repeat after me\u2026\u201d I\u2019m just looking around, and no one\u2019s doing anything. I\u2019m repeating the prayer, but I\u2019m like, \u201cI feel like this is strictly to me.\u201d I\u2019m getting this\u00a0 nudge in my back to actually say something. I\u2019m like, \u201cNo one\u2019s touching me; I feel like he\u2019s talking to me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat is the night and the process of me giving my life to Christ. I didn\u2019t tell anybody that night. I woke up the next morning; and I remember running around the field in pre-game and just having this <em>freedom<\/em>\u2014this weight lifted off of my shoulders\u2014this joy. I remember Kit coming up to me and being like, \u201cWhat\u2019s up with you, man?\u201d I was like, \u201cNothing.\u201d I was like a nine-year-old, who just got some kind of cool video game or something, \u201cNothing.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, through a couple minutes of conversation, I told him that I\u2019d given my life to Christ. He and Josh actually both got me this Bible. You guys probably can\u2019t see it, but yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh: <\/strong>It\u2019s the archeological Bible; I\u2019ll never forget that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dan: <\/strong>Yes, you guys gave me this Bible shortly thereafter and wrote personalized notes in it to me: \u201cBrothers in Christ\u201d or \u201cBorn in Christ\u201d\u2014really cool stuff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes, it was pretty cool. The other day, Dan, your text to Jon, and Josh, and I\u2014the group text\u2014was if you would have been drafted somewhere else, you don\u2019t know who [you\u2019d be] today. What did that mean?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dan: <\/strong>I was heading down a path of becoming everything I did <em>not<\/em> want to become, when it comes to being a husband and being a dad. I don\u2019t think I would have been bad at it, but I knew I was going to become what I didn\u2019t want to become with it. I was going to cheat on my wife at some point\u2014whoever that wife was going to be\u2014I was going to cut my kids down, and belittle them, and intimidate them, and kind of become this version of myself that was my greatest fear.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you look back at: \u201cMan, why did you get drafted by the Lions in 2005?\u2014and the weather stinks\u2014and our team stunk?\u201d As I went through this process with you guys, with Kit, Josh and Dave, what I realized was I never went to the Lions for football. If I had gotten drafted by the Bears, or the Chargers, or someone else, I more than likely would have ended up being exactly what I didn\u2019t want to end up being. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Emotion in voice] But because somehow God decided to put me in Detroit, and Kit in Detroit, and Josh in Detroit, and the Wilsons were there, it just changed my life. It changed my kids\u2019 lives; changed my wife\u2019s life. I don\u2019t know where it goes from there; but I just know, if it wasn\u2019t for that\u2014if it was to 31 other teams\u2014I\u2019d be a loser, dude, you know, in many ways. It\u2019s hard for me to try to put it to words, on a daily basis, how thankful I am that I went to Detroit. Because of that time, I didn\u2019t become what was my biggest fear of becoming.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jon: <\/strong>Hearing you share your heart\u2014God knew exactly what He was doing, obviously\u2014He always does. But to put Josh and I there at the same time\u2014because Dan <em>was<\/em> skeptical; and Dan likes to argue; and Dan likes to bring up stuff like\u2014before he was saved, he was really trying to stump you with questions. I\u2019m a black-and-white person; a lot of times, that would cause Dan and I to be kind of going at each other a little bit; and Josh was always right there to kind of come and soften a blow for Dan but then, also, to grab me behind closed doors and say, \u201cI think you were wrong there.\u201d It was literally Paul and Barnabas type stuff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt wasn\u2019t just Dan; there were multiple guys in the locker room like that\u2014that Josh would be like, \u201cLook, man, you\u2019re going to lose them. You\u2019re saying truth, but the way you\u2019re saying it, you\u2019re going to lose them.\u201d Josh was <em>so good<\/em> at that; he was very in tune with the pulse of guys in the locker room, collectively and individually. It was Josh\u2019s idea, like, \u201cHey, let\u2019s carpool with Trey Bly and Tom Riola,\u201d\u2014stuff like that\u2014he was just unbelievable that way. I\u2019d never seen it, and it was amazing to see how God orchestrated that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh: <\/strong>Yes; I just think it speaks to community and why we\u2019re supposed to do life in community, because we all have different skills. As believers, obviously, we have different gifts; and those things are needed so that God can draw people to Himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think some of the things that I saw in Jon I admired\u2014he was so firm on things and could\u2014I was, \u201cAh, I don\u2019t want to hurt anybody\u2019s feelings.\u201d I think those are things that I walked away from that year, but there was always a need to bring it together. The combination I think allowed us to be able to use each other\u2019s strengths and gifts for God to amplify our gifts and glorify Himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; it\u2019s great to think\u2014and I know you guys know the Word so well\u2014in John, it talks about Jesus coming in grace and truth. That\u2019s what I watched you model: there was a <em>truth<\/em> that was firm and strong, and there was a grace.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m not kidding; I\u2019ve rarely seen the kind of joy, and laughter, and acceptance that was in that locker room with you guys at the same time. There was no compromising the truth, but there was\u2014that\u2019s why I said the locker room leaned toward\u2014I mean, they\u2019re playing cards over by you guys. They didn\u2019t play on the other side of the locker room, they played by\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014because joy is contagious.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Joy is contagious, and they wanted to be around Josh\u2019s joy and laughter and Kit\u2019s truth! The gifting of the body of Christ was so real that it drew Dan and others.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThink about this\u2014I mean, I know you know this, but the legacy of you guys\u2014I mean, I watch you now as husbands, as fathers with your sons and daughters\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014and you each have an amazing wife\u2014each of you\u2014your wives are <em>incredible<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; so I would just say for Ann and I\u2014I don\u2019t know if we\u2019ve ever said this to you privately\u2014we love you guys, and we thank you for that year. It was, in 33 seasons, one of the best\/if not <em>the<\/em> best year of our lives, watching you guys do the ministry. It wasn\u2019t <em>our<\/em> ministry; it was God\u2019s ministry through <em>you<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>We called it the Year of Jubilee.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>We called it the Year of Jubilee because we ended up with a car at the end of the year, and that was pretty special too! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Hey, you know, the whole time you guys were talking, I was thinking of \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMatthew 5:14, because you guys and your wives were this to the Detroit Lions that year: \u201cYou are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden, nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father, who is in heaven.\u201d I don\u2019t know if I\u2019ve ever seen that lived out so well as all of you, and you\u2019re <em>still<\/em> doing it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dan: <\/strong>I think that\u2019s perfectly timed, Ann, because one of the most appealing things through all of it\u2014for all of us that were part of that\u2014was Josh and Jon never <em>wavered<\/em>. In the midst of absolute <em>darkness<\/em>, when it comes to our everyday life\/what we were doing with our jobs, it was a <em>struggle<\/em>. There were <em>multiple<\/em> opportunities for those guys to waver, or a chink in the armor to be exposed, and for it to look fake. There was <em>never<\/em> a wavering of Josh\u2019s joy. We practiced as hard as we possibly could; and we lost 35 to 14, or something like that. Never a wavering with Josh\u2019s joy. Or we practiced as hard as we can, and we get beat by whoever. Never wavering in Kit and his truth. It was never this circumstantial thing, dependent on if we were playing good or if we were winning every game. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was, for so many of us\u2014certainly for myself\u2014that was such a <em>defining<\/em> aspect of it was: \u201cThat\u2019s when it was <em>real<\/em>. When everything pointed for you <em>not<\/em> to be that way, you guys were that way.\u201d It was <em>hard<\/em> to be that way, I would imagine, given the circumstances we were in. That\u2019s what was the craziest thing to me at that time, was how the circumstances of what we were going through had no impact on your foundation of who you were.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jon: <\/strong>The thing that\u2014I tell this all the time; it\u2019s such a part of my testimony in the Lord\u2014which is, it was literally like watching the Bible just come to life\/the reverberation effect of what happened there. Dave, you said 25, and I think it was somewhere around 25 that one year. I was at PAO three years after that; and a teammate that was in Detroit, that I\u2019d never had one conversation with, comes up, \u201cI want you to baptize my wife and I.\u201d That stuff\u2014the last I counted was 39 people that got baptized because of what happened that year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, it was just so fun; because it was God; right? Ten games\u2014we won ten games in three years. By all accounts, it\u2019s a complete <em>disaster<\/em>. Thirty-nine people are getting baptized?\u2014that\u2019s not talking about, like Dan said, his family, and his wife, and his kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, you watch what Josh is doing; it\u2019s like Jesus is walking in the NFL. Wherever Josh goes, it\u2019s like PKEWWH!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I want to add this\u2014I mean, we\u2019ve talked about the legacy. What Jon and Josh\u2014you guys don\u2019t know\u2014is when Dan goes away from the Lions, traded, and then comes <em>back<\/em>\u2014how many years later, Dan, was it before you came back?\u2014five years?\u2014six years?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dan: <\/strong>Six years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; he comes <em>back<\/em> six years later, and guess what he is in that locker room? He\u2019s now Jon and Josh; he led like you guys led. This guy, who didn\u2019t know Christ, now comes back and, you know, leads a revival in a different way\/in a smaller way; but in the same way, hosts a Bible study at his house.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, Jon, you go on to coach high school football; you\u2019re impacting kids around the country. You\u2019re going to continue to do that through your own family and others. Josh is going to play football till he\u2019s 60, and then maybe he\u2019ll coach high school football; I don't know. But anyway, your legacy is continuing on. It\u2019s the way God designed us to do life; we are called to make a dent where we\u2019re sent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jon: <\/strong>I\u2019m telling you\u2014it\u2019s such a\u2014Dave, you were the perfect person; because you just created this space for us. You\u2019re like, \u201cCome to my church!\u201d Guys are coming; and in chapel, you\u2019re giving us opportunities to lead and have Bible study. You know what you meant to my wife and how we would just show up at your guys\u2019 house on Friday nights for date night, and just sit on your couch, still to this day. But the space you created, not just for us but for\u2014how many years were you there?\u201450 years? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I am the losingest chaplain in the history of the NFL. [Laughter] That\u2019s been clarified by data.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dan: <\/strong>People are getting saved, though.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>They are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, we\u2019ve been listening to three old friends. As you said, it\u2019s just nice to hear their voices.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Their voices, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Jon Kitna, who was the starter for the Detroit Lions in 2006, who is now a high school coach in Texas; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And Josh McCown, who\u2014we\u2019re not sure if he\u2019ll play this year or not\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> He probably will end up playing again, season number 18 or something.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Pretty amazing. Then, Dan Orlovsky, who we watch on ESPN\u2014all three of them a part of the Detroit Lions team in 2006\/2007, when God did a really remarkable thing in their lives and a remarkable thing on that team during that season.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere is something about sport, and about team, and about camaraderie that comes with that that is fertile soil for the gospel seeds to be planted and for God to do a work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; and it is pretty amazing, even now, years later, to hear Dan cry and tear up when he thinks, \u201cWhat if I had been on a different team?\u201d He doesn\u2019t even know if [he\u2019d be] the man he is today. But God\u2019s providence is real in his life; and it\u2019s real in <em>your<\/em> life and our life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That decision to follow Jesus has affected his life, and his legacy, his marriage\u2014everything is different because of that decision.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Think about that\u2014you know, we sat in Hershey, Pennsylvania, a couple years ago with Dan and Tiffany, having dinner Saturday night at a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Their second <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>They drove over to, and all that started because he was a Detroit Lion. Now, he\u2019s impacting\u2014and Jon is, and Josh, and their families\u2014it\u2019s really a picture of how God works and wants to, not just do something in us, but <em>through<\/em> us to impact the neighborhoods He puts us in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>If you know somebody, who\u2019s an NFL fan or a Detroit Lions fan, you ought to go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and send them a link to the podcasts we\u2019ve done of these programs. Again, we\u2019ve been able to include additional content as a part of the podcast that we could not feature on air, so go to FamilyLifeToday.com; download the podcasts. All of our programs are available for free at FamilyLifeToday.com. 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But it didn\u2019t take Dan Orlovsky long to recognize that, although his football career was looking promising, the rest of his life wasn\u2019t.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dan: <\/strong>I was heading down a path of becoming everything I did <em>not<\/em> want to become when it comes to being a husband and being a dad. I was going to cheat on my wife at some point, whoever that wife was going to be; I was going to cut down my kids, and belittle them, and intimidate them, and kind of become this version of myself that was my greatest fear.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, September 8<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019re going to hear from Dan Orlovsky today and teammates Jon Kitna and Josh McCown about how God did a work in all of their lives, and a lot of their teammates\u2019 lives, back in 2006. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. Does it matter to you who is in the opening game of the season, whether you like these teams or care about the teams or not, or are you just going to watch the first game of the season\u2014I\u2019m talking about football, you know, which is getting started here\u2014does it matter what two teams are playing, or will you just be there no matter what?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I\u2019ll be there no matter what.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes, he will.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It\u2019s exciting. Again, I\u2019m not the guy that sits on the couch and watches every NFL game; but I do like to watch an occasional game, and I get excited. You know, you get your Diet Coke<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> and you jump over there on the couch. Again, I\u2019m a guy that, for 33 seasons, was on the sideline and never got to do this. I didn\u2019t realize how <em>wonderful<\/em> it is to lay on a couch, watch the replay, yell at the screen\u2014none of that I could do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I was so surprised that you liked it; because I thought, \u201cOh, this is going to be so hard for you to transition out\u201d; and you\u2019re loving it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; I was never a fan, and now I\u2019m a fan. Before, you\u2019re there\u2014you can\u2019t experience what the typical fan experiences\u2014and I think it\u2019s fun.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>What about wings or particular food that you\u2019re going to have\u2014pretzels or\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Oh, all of it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>He\u2019s a popcorn guy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014<em>and<\/em> pretzels <em>and <\/em>wings.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, we\u2019re talking about football because football\u2019s been a big part of your life. For 33 years you were the chaplain for the Detroit Lions. You played college football at Ball State; you were a college all-star playing for Ball State.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Hall of Famer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Thank you, honey; thanks for throwing that in. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You, in your years as chaplain, you saw God do some great things in players\u2019 lives; but we\u2019ve been looking this week at the 2006\/2007 season for the Detroit Lions, which was a remarkable year\u2014a year of spiritual renewal and revival in the locker room\u2014that really centered around, as we\u2019ve already heard this week, two guys who came into the team, already sold out for Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s Jon Kitna and Josh McCown.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Then, there was a third guy who shows up, who\u2019s a quarterback; and he wasn\u2019t in the same place, spiritually; was he?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>No; on a football team, there are different positions; and they really spend a lot of time in those positions. There\u2019s the quarterback room, which had a quarterback coach; Jon the starter; Josh the backup; and Dan, the third-string rookie, really in his second year. They\u2019re spending a lot of time together; it becomes a small group in a sense.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDan is <em>watching<\/em> Jon, who\u2019s this on-fire <em>strong<\/em> man of God, and Josh, the same thing. I\u2019d never seen that, in all my time in Detroit\u2014these two quarterbacks who had, not only these unique walks with God, but they also understood: \u201cWe\u2019re not here just to win football games here. We\u2019re here to win a locker room to Jesus,\u201d\u2014they were on mission, and Dan got to watch them. Dan started to ask questions, like, \u201cWhat is this faith that you guys have?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>It\u2019s interesting, too\u2014you may be listening to this, thinking, \u201cOh, I\u2019m not going to listen to this; because it\u2019s about football.\u201d But we all interact with people\u2014in our workplace; as moms, maybe you\u2019re at school functions and watching your kids do things\u2014we all are on a mission; it\u2019s not just football.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>This story really isn\u2019t about football; it\u2019s a lot bigger.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is a God story. We had a chance recently to get these three guys together\u2014Jon Kitna, Josh McCown, Dan Orlovsky\u2014and revisit what happened in Detroit in 2006\/2007 and the transformation that was just about to take place in Dan Orlovsky\u2019s life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I want to get back to Dan\u2019s story a little bit; because Josh and Jon, you came to me\u2014I think one Saturday, mid-season\/Dan would know for sure\u2014but you said, \u201cHey, man, I think if you share the gospel tonight at chapel, Dan\u2019s ready.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh: <\/strong>\u2014before the Green Bay game.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Correct; I was just like, \u201cWow! 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I\u2019m watching them; and my thoughts are starting to kind of figure out, \u201cOkay, there\u2019s something different about them.\u201d I start to ask them questions about the way they live their life and why they live their life. They\u2019re both incredibly open and transparent about it all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m that annoying young player that\/I\u2019m asking more non-football questions than football questions, really. They really both decide to\/they start inviting me into their lives and start answering the questions with actions. Kit kind of takes me under his wing of discipleship, and I start going to Kitna\u2019s house a couple times a week\u2014correct me if I\u2019m wrong\u2014I want to say five a.m. or something like that. It\u2019s five o\u2019 clock in the morning; I\u2019m going to Kit\u2019s house. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe starts me off\u2014I remember the first time we did it, he said, \u201cI want you to read \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t1 John, Chapter 1.\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cAlright; where\u2019s 1 John?\u201d [Laughter] I was on this journey. I didn\u2019t want to believe in Christianity strictly because the quarterbacks of my team did it and I thought that was my way to play in the NFL for a long time. I asked a lot of unique and difficult questions. I really dove into this studying\u2014because I\u2019m like you, Wilson, in many ways\u2014skeptical and try to prove people wrong type thing. I read 1 John, and Kitna\u2019s discipling me through it. Then he asked me, \u201cAlright, now you\u2019re going to read Acts\u201d; so I read Acts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re going on this journey, month after month; meanwhile, sprinkling in Bible study on Thursdays and the couples study\u2014me, as a single person\u2014on Monday nights. I\u2019m going to all these studies. Kit is discipling me, one on one, in the mornings; and then, obviously, we\u2019re with each other almost every single day. We\u2019re playing golf with each other all the time; we\u2019re playing hoops with each other all the time. In many ways, they were discipling me with the actual Bible; and then they were discipling me with their actions, and their words, and their everyday life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat September 23, 2006, was my second year. I\u2019m pretty into\u2014I\u2019m on fire at this point\u2014and pretty into my discipleship and whatnot. We\u2019re in chapel that night. I\u2019m sitting somewhere in the middle of the room. I just remember you going like, \u201cGuys, I don\u2019t normally do this, but it\u2019s put on my heart that I should give someone the opportunity or anybody the opportunity to accept Christ tonight.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember sitting there and going, \u201cNo way. [Laughter] I think Wilson\u2019s talking to me, but I\u2019m not going to say anything.\u201d He\u2019s like, \u201cAlright, close your eyes and repeat after me\u2026\u201d I\u2019m just looking around, and no one\u2019s doing anything. I\u2019m repeating the prayer, but I\u2019m like, \u201cI feel like this is strictly to me.\u201d I\u2019m getting this\u00a0 nudge in my back to actually say something. I\u2019m like, \u201cNo one\u2019s touching me; I feel like he\u2019s talking to me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat is the night and the process of me giving my life to Christ. I didn\u2019t tell anybody that night. I woke up the next morning; and I remember running around the field in pre-game and just having this <em>freedom<\/em>\u2014this weight lifted off of my shoulders\u2014this joy. I remember Kit coming up to me and being like, \u201cWhat\u2019s up with you, man?\u201d I was like, \u201cNothing.\u201d I was like a nine-year-old, who just got some kind of cool video game or something, \u201cNothing.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, through a couple minutes of conversation, I told him that I\u2019d given my life to Christ. He and Josh actually both got me this Bible. You guys probably can\u2019t see it, but yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh: <\/strong>It\u2019s the archeological Bible; I\u2019ll never forget that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dan: <\/strong>Yes, you guys gave me this Bible shortly thereafter and wrote personalized notes in it to me: \u201cBrothers in Christ\u201d or \u201cBorn in Christ\u201d\u2014really cool stuff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes, it was pretty cool. The other day, Dan, your text to Jon, and Josh, and I\u2014the group text\u2014was if you would have been drafted somewhere else, you don\u2019t know who [you\u2019d be] today. What did that mean?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dan: <\/strong>I was heading down a path of becoming everything I did <em>not<\/em> want to become, when it comes to being a husband and being a dad. I don\u2019t think I would have been bad at it, but I knew I was going to become what I didn\u2019t want to become with it. I was going to cheat on my wife at some point\u2014whoever that wife was going to be\u2014I was going to cut my kids down, and belittle them, and intimidate them, and kind of become this version of myself that was my greatest fear.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you look back at: \u201cMan, why did you get drafted by the Lions in 2005?\u2014and the weather stinks\u2014and our team stunk?\u201d As I went through this process with you guys, with Kit, Josh and Dave, what I realized was I never went to the Lions for football. If I had gotten drafted by the Bears, or the Chargers, or someone else, I more than likely would have ended up being exactly what I didn\u2019t want to end up being. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Emotion in voice] But because somehow God decided to put me in Detroit, and Kit in Detroit, and Josh in Detroit, and the Wilsons were there, it just changed my life. It changed my kids\u2019 lives; changed my wife\u2019s life. I don\u2019t know where it goes from there; but I just know, if it wasn\u2019t for that\u2014if it was to 31 other teams\u2014I\u2019d be a loser, dude, you know, in many ways. It\u2019s hard for me to try to put it to words, on a daily basis, how thankful I am that I went to Detroit. Because of that time, I didn\u2019t become what was my biggest fear of becoming.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jon: <\/strong>Hearing you share your heart\u2014God knew exactly what He was doing, obviously\u2014He always does. But to put Josh and I there at the same time\u2014because Dan <em>was<\/em> skeptical; and Dan likes to argue; and Dan likes to bring up stuff like\u2014before he was saved, he was really trying to stump you with questions. I\u2019m a black-and-white person; a lot of times, that would cause Dan and I to be kind of going at each other a little bit; and Josh was always right there to kind of come and soften a blow for Dan but then, also, to grab me behind closed doors and say, \u201cI think you were wrong there.\u201d It was literally Paul and Barnabas type stuff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt wasn\u2019t just Dan; there were multiple guys in the locker room like that\u2014that Josh would be like, \u201cLook, man, you\u2019re going to lose them. You\u2019re saying truth, but the way you\u2019re saying it, you\u2019re going to lose them.\u201d Josh was <em>so good<\/em> at that; he was very in tune with the pulse of guys in the locker room, collectively and individually. It was Josh\u2019s idea, like, \u201cHey, let\u2019s carpool with Trey Bly and Tom Riola,\u201d\u2014stuff like that\u2014he was just unbelievable that way. I\u2019d never seen it, and it was amazing to see how God orchestrated that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh: <\/strong>Yes; I just think it speaks to community and why we\u2019re supposed to do life in community, because we all have different skills. As believers, obviously, we have different gifts; and those things are needed so that God can draw people to Himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think some of the things that I saw in Jon I admired\u2014he was so firm on things and could\u2014I was, \u201cAh, I don\u2019t want to hurt anybody\u2019s feelings.\u201d I think those are things that I walked away from that year, but there was always a need to bring it together. The combination I think allowed us to be able to use each other\u2019s strengths and gifts for God to amplify our gifts and glorify Himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; it\u2019s great to think\u2014and I know you guys know the Word so well\u2014in John, it talks about Jesus coming in grace and truth. That\u2019s what I watched you model: there was a <em>truth<\/em> that was firm and strong, and there was a grace.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m not kidding; I\u2019ve rarely seen the kind of joy, and laughter, and acceptance that was in that locker room with you guys at the same time. There was no compromising the truth, but there was\u2014that\u2019s why I said the locker room leaned toward\u2014I mean, they\u2019re playing cards over by you guys. They didn\u2019t play on the other side of the locker room, they played by\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014because joy is contagious.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Joy is contagious, and they wanted to be around Josh\u2019s joy and laughter and Kit\u2019s truth! The gifting of the body of Christ was so real that it drew Dan and others.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThink about this\u2014I mean, I know you know this, but the legacy of you guys\u2014I mean, I watch you now as husbands, as fathers with your sons and daughters\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014and you each have an amazing wife\u2014each of you\u2014your wives are <em>incredible<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; so I would just say for Ann and I\u2014I don\u2019t know if we\u2019ve ever said this to you privately\u2014we love you guys, and we thank you for that year. It was, in 33 seasons, one of the best\/if not <em>the<\/em> best year of our lives, watching you guys do the ministry. It wasn\u2019t <em>our<\/em> ministry; it was God\u2019s ministry through <em>you<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>We called it the Year of Jubilee.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>We called it the Year of Jubilee because we ended up with a car at the end of the year, and that was pretty special too! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Hey, you know, the whole time you guys were talking, I was thinking of \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMatthew 5:14, because you guys and your wives were this to the Detroit Lions that year: \u201cYou are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden, nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father, who is in heaven.\u201d I don\u2019t know if I\u2019ve ever seen that lived out so well as all of you, and you\u2019re <em>still<\/em> doing it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dan: <\/strong>I think that\u2019s perfectly timed, Ann, because one of the most appealing things through all of it\u2014for all of us that were part of that\u2014was Josh and Jon never <em>wavered<\/em>. In the midst of absolute <em>darkness<\/em>, when it comes to our everyday life\/what we were doing with our jobs, it was a <em>struggle<\/em>. There were <em>multiple<\/em> opportunities for those guys to waver, or a chink in the armor to be exposed, and for it to look fake. There was <em>never<\/em> a wavering of Josh\u2019s joy. We practiced as hard as we possibly could; and we lost 35 to 14, or something like that. Never a wavering with Josh\u2019s joy. Or we practiced as hard as we can, and we get beat by whoever. Never wavering in Kit and his truth. It was never this circumstantial thing, dependent on if we were playing good or if we were winning every game. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was, for so many of us\u2014certainly for myself\u2014that was such a <em>defining<\/em> aspect of it was: \u201cThat\u2019s when it was <em>real<\/em>. When everything pointed for you <em>not<\/em> to be that way, you guys were that way.\u201d It was <em>hard<\/em> to be that way, I would imagine, given the circumstances we were in. That\u2019s what was the craziest thing to me at that time, was how the circumstances of what we were going through had no impact on your foundation of who you were.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jon: <\/strong>The thing that\u2014I tell this all the time; it\u2019s such a part of my testimony in the Lord\u2014which is, it was literally like watching the Bible just come to life\/the reverberation effect of what happened there. Dave, you said 25, and I think it was somewhere around 25 that one year. I was at PAO three years after that; and a teammate that was in Detroit, that I\u2019d never had one conversation with, comes up, \u201cI want you to baptize my wife and I.\u201d That stuff\u2014the last I counted was 39 people that got baptized because of what happened that year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, it was just so fun; because it was God; right? Ten games\u2014we won ten games in three years. By all accounts, it\u2019s a complete <em>disaster<\/em>. Thirty-nine people are getting baptized?\u2014that\u2019s not talking about, like Dan said, his family, and his wife, and his kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, you watch what Josh is doing; it\u2019s like Jesus is walking in the NFL. Wherever Josh goes, it\u2019s like PKEWWH!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I want to add this\u2014I mean, we\u2019ve talked about the legacy. What Jon and Josh\u2014you guys don\u2019t know\u2014is when Dan goes away from the Lions, traded, and then comes <em>back<\/em>\u2014how many years later, Dan, was it before you came back?\u2014five years?\u2014six years?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dan: <\/strong>Six years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; he comes <em>back<\/em> six years later, and guess what he is in that locker room? He\u2019s now Jon and Josh; he led like you guys led. This guy, who didn\u2019t know Christ, now comes back and, you know, leads a revival in a different way\/in a smaller way; but in the same way, hosts a Bible study at his house.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, Jon, you go on to coach high school football; you\u2019re impacting kids around the country. You\u2019re going to continue to do that through your own family and others. Josh is going to play football till he\u2019s 60, and then maybe he\u2019ll coach high school football; I don't know. But anyway, your legacy is continuing on. It\u2019s the way God designed us to do life; we are called to make a dent where we\u2019re sent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jon: <\/strong>I\u2019m telling you\u2014it\u2019s such a\u2014Dave, you were the perfect person; because you just created this space for us. You\u2019re like, \u201cCome to my church!\u201d Guys are coming; and in chapel, you\u2019re giving us opportunities to lead and have Bible study. You know what you meant to my wife and how we would just show up at your guys\u2019 house on Friday nights for date night, and just sit on your couch, still to this day. But the space you created, not just for us but for\u2014how many years were you there?\u201450 years? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I am the losingest chaplain in the history of the NFL. [Laughter] That\u2019s been clarified by data.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dan: <\/strong>People are getting saved, though.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>They are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, we\u2019ve been listening to three old friends. As you said, it\u2019s just nice to hear their voices.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Their voices, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Jon Kitna, who was the starter for the Detroit Lions in 2006, who is now a high school coach in Texas; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And Josh McCown, who\u2014we\u2019re not sure if he\u2019ll play this year or not\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> He probably will end up playing again, season number 18 or something.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Pretty amazing. Then, Dan Orlovsky, who we watch on ESPN\u2014all three of them a part of the Detroit Lions team in 2006\/2007, when God did a really remarkable thing in their lives and a remarkable thing on that team during that season.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere is something about sport, and about team, and about camaraderie that comes with that that is fertile soil for the gospel seeds to be planted and for God to do a work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; and it is pretty amazing, even now, years later, to hear Dan cry and tear up when he thinks, \u201cWhat if I had been on a different team?\u201d He doesn\u2019t even know if [he\u2019d be] the man he is today. But God\u2019s providence is real in his life; and it\u2019s real in <em>your<\/em> life and our life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That decision to follow Jesus has affected his life, and his legacy, his marriage\u2014everything is different because of that decision.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Think about that\u2014you know, we sat in Hershey, Pennsylvania, a couple years ago with Dan and Tiffany, having dinner Saturday night at a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Their second <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>They drove over to, and all that started because he was a Detroit Lion. Now, he\u2019s impacting\u2014and Jon is, and Josh, and their families\u2014it\u2019s really a picture of how God works and wants to, not just do something in us, but <em>through<\/em> us to impact the neighborhoods He puts us in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>If you know somebody, who\u2019s an NFL fan or a Detroit Lions fan, you ought to go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and send them a link to the podcasts we\u2019ve done of these programs. Again, we\u2019ve been able to include additional content as a part of the podcast that we could not feature on air, so go to FamilyLifeToday.com; download the podcasts. All of our programs are available for free at FamilyLifeToday.com. 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