{"id":306390,"date":"2020-09-07T07:00:05","date_gmt":"2020-09-07T11:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/experiencing-revival\/"},"modified":"2024-10-08T00:23:59","modified_gmt":"2024-10-08T04:23:59","slug":"experiencing-revival","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/experiencing-revival\/","title":{"rendered":"Experiencing Revival"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Dave Wilson is joined by former NFL quarterbacks Dan Orlovsky, Jon Kitna, and Josh McCown to provide an inside peek into their time together with the Detroit Lions. While they did not enjoy a lot of success on the field, they experienced a spiritual revival within their team. By the end of it, they saw over 39 players, wives, and children baptized for Christ. As Orlovsky describes it, all three players were psycho-maniacal, obsessive competitors on the field. 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Both of those men wound up having a profound impact on Dan\u2019s life.\n\n<strong>Dan:<\/strong> I had never been around anyone like them. They wanted to <em>crush<\/em> you when you competed against them; they never held back, and they pushed you to the absolute limits. But then they were like <em>amazing<\/em> human beings to you, and incredible husbands, and remarkable fathers, and great teammates. I\u2019d never been around someone that could want to knock you down <em>and<\/em> help you up at the same time in every aspect of your life. I think that was my initial draw to sitting back and going, \u201cSomething that they have, I\u2019ve never seen before.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, September 7<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You\u2019ll find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. It\u2019s not often that a pro football locker room becomes holy ground, but that happened with the Detroit Lions back in 2006. We\u2019ll hear that story today. Stay with us.\n\nAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Monday edition on Labor Day. I hope you\u2019re enjoying the Labor Day holiday if you\u2019re listening here in the United States. We weren\u2019t sure this was going to happen, but it looks like\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes! Football!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014there\u2019s going to be football.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And my husband is happy. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> <em>Life<\/em> is good.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019ve spent a lot of weeks leading up to this, wondering, \u201cAm I going to be able to survive the fall or not?\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think I\u2019m alone, Bob. I think there are <em>millions<\/em> with me that were hoping\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And many wives are depressed about this. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want to ask about this because a lot of people look at football and go, \u201cWhy are people so obsessed with football? Football\u2019s a dangerous sport. There\u2019s all kinds of issues related to football.\u201d\n\nYou\u2019ve seen it as both a ministry opportunity; you\u2019ve seen it as God\u2019s used football in your own life to help you develop into the man He\u2019s made you to be.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I actually think there\u2019s a misconception, even at our church, about me and football. They think I did a ministry in the NFL as a chaplain for 33 seasons because I love football; it isn\u2019t. I do love the game; I think it\u2019s a great game. I\u2019ve played it; it develops character. Our sons played; it was beautiful to watch character be developed through hardship in football. But the only reason we did a ministry in football was the platform. It\u2019s <em>crazy<\/em> to think that these guys and their wives have influence because of their job.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> They\u2019re heroes in our culture today.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s sort of ridiculous; you know, they play football; yet people want to know, \u201cWhat\u2019s your perspective on this and that?\u201d All I know is: \u201cThat\u2019s the world we live in, so why not use that platform to promote and extend the gospel?\u201d\u2014that was our motivation.\n\nI wanted to win a Super Bowl; we never did. [Laughter] We only won one playoff game, but that was <em>never <\/em>my hope. My hope was that these men, and their wives, and their kids would come to Christ; and then they would see, \u201cWow! God has given me a voice! People listen to what I say. I\u2019m going to extend the gospel.\u201d We saw that happen in a beautiful way.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re going to bring our listeners into the locker room today\u2014because back, more than a decade ago, you, as the Detroit Lions chaplain\u2014there was a season that was really a remarkable season.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And it wasn\u2019t just me, Bob.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We call it the Year of Jubilee in our football life.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I just want to say\u2014Ann\u2019s ministry was as important as mine with those wives; it really was.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There were people in the locker room coming to faith.\n\nWe had a chance recently to connect with three teammates from back in that season. Some of these will be names that our football fan listeners will know: Jon Kitna, who was a quarterback for the Lions; Josh McCown, who\u2019s been in the league for\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014forever.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014decades; Dan Orlovsky, who is now an ESPN analyst, and was in the league for years. All three of these guys were part of the locker room in 2006\/2007, and God did something amazing. We connected with them on a Zoom call recently, and said, \u201cLet\u2019s revisit that season and hear about God\u2019s work in the midst of what was going on with the Detroit Lions that year.\u201d Let\u2019s listen to that conversation.\n\n[Previous Interview]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Pretty amazing how God brought the three of you together in Detroit. I\u2019ll start with Jon. As you signed, it was the only time, in 33 years as the chaplain of the team, that we were asked by the general manager and the head coach to be a part of a lunch, when Jon, you and Jenny were coming in to be recruited, basically, to come to Detroit. How did we end up at that lunch, and what happened?\n\n<strong>Jon:<\/strong> I think for us, it had to have been our second time going through the free agency thing. When we were coming up to Detroit, we asked them if there was a chaplain program\u2014who it was\u2014\u201dWould we be able to meet them when we were there?\u201d That was the lunch time; that\u2019s how that happened. Obviously, they made sure your wife came with; because that was the sealer to the deal, right there, for my wife and for us.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Jon, let me ask you: \u201cWhy was meeting the chaplain of the team such a priority for you coming into Detroit?\u201d\n\n<strong>Jon:<\/strong> We never viewed ourselves as NFL players. We just felt like we were Christians on mission; God was using the NFL to move us. There\u2019s a lot of programs and things and people, who are out there, that are not necessarily trying to help the ministry of Christ in NFL locker rooms. If there was a chaplain program, we wanted to know about it, and what it was about, and the fruit of the ministry that had been there before we got there. Outside of, obviously, your offense coordinator, and all of that stuff\u2014what kind of offense you\u2019re going to run\u2014but it was important for us because we always have felt like we were on mission for the Lord in our career.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Where did that mission mindset come for you?\n\n<strong>Jon:<\/strong> It started happening when I got saved\u2014the guy who discipled me first, Eric Boles, who was teaching me straight Bible. When I got to Seattle, and my first five years of Seattle with Karl Payne, who is the chaplain there. His teaching on apologetics and why it\u2019s important to be able to defend our faith and to be able to give people answers for questions that are sincere\u2014that\u2019s really where it came from\u2014just understanding that our life is not our own\u2014the Galatians 2:20 mindset.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I remember, Jon, first of all, when Dave came home, and he said, \u201cThe Lions have asked us to have lunch with this possible quarterback and his wife coming in.\u201d I was in <em>shock<\/em>; because I\u2019m thinking, \u201cWhat?! Why would they care about <em>us<\/em>?\u201d\n\nThen, when we sat down with you and Jenny, and I happened to be sitting right beside Jenny in that lunch\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Actually, no one talked at all except you and Jenny.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Probably.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I sat over there the whole time.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014I said, \u201cI <em>love<\/em> her; I hope they come.\u201d She had this mindset of, \u201cWhat would it look like to bring people to Christ but, also, grow spiritually together in Detroit?\u201d That was really pretty new for us that someone had a mindset of: \u201cWhat could this look like as a ministry, together, to reach people for Christ in the locker room?\u2014and for the wives, as well, and their families.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Then right after that, Josh, you ended up signing. I don\u2019t know if I got the timetable right\u2014if you were before or after Jon\u2014you guys both came in. Josh, you had a similar mindset in terms of: \u201cI\u2019m not just there to play football.\u201d\n\n<strong>Josh: <\/strong>I remember locking up with Kit in the hallway there, and just knowing, from an outside perception, \u201cOkay; these guys are here to compete for a job.\u201d It was like not even\/it was just a matter of, \u201cMan, we\u2019re here to work, for the team, but [also] for the Lord.\u201d I think that was the biggest thing for me.\n\nFor four years in Arizona, I kind of understood a little bit how to do ministry, but not in a locker room, where you\u2019re able to lock arms with a brother and be intentional about it.\n\n<strong>Jon:<\/strong> I\u2019ll never forget that either. I remember\u2014in the hallway between the in door and the locker room\u2014and seeing Josh. I didn\u2019t know that Josh had been signed. It was immediately, if I remember right, we bro hugged. But to me, immediately in my mind, I was like, \u201cOh, God\u2019s up to something here\u201d; because to put us in the same locker room, my eyes were just wide open.\n\n<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, so there was a sense of destiny. I remember standing outside the locker room\u2014I think it was much later than\u2014you guys came in the offseason, so this would have been right at the beginning of training camp. With you, Jon\u2014I think I\u2019m remembering this right\u2014it might have been Josh, but it might have been both of you\u2014I remember one of you putting your arms around my shoulder as we looked at the locker room. Actually, we were standing right over by the mailboxes, looking out at the entire locker room. You said, \u201cTell me about our ministry here,\u201d\u2014those were your words.\n\nI remember looking at you like, \u201cWhat do you mean, our ministry here?\u201d I thought, \u201cThis is one of the first times I\u2019ve ever had a player walk in and realize, \u2018I\u2019m not just here to win football games,\u2019\u201d\u2014which you were and you were committed to that\u2014but you were like, as you said earlier, Jon, \u201cI\u2019m sent here on mission. This is a ministry. Let\u2019s go, because God\u2019s going to do something.\u201d I remember thinking, \u201cOh, my goodness. I think we\u2019re going to be on a journey this year because we have some leaders who <em>get it<\/em>.\u201d I was like, \u201cWhat\u2019s God going to do?\u201d\n\nThen, Dan Orlovsky was there. He was the Rookie of the Year before, and now he\u2019s in his second year. He\u2019s going to be in that quarterback room with you guys. Dan, talk about your thoughts as you meet your two new quarterbacks. They replaced the guys before you, and now you\u2019ve got two new guys who\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014what was that relationship like?\n\n<strong>Dan:<\/strong> I knew of both guys. I didn\u2019t know them personally, but knew of both guys. I knew Kit signed. I was still young. Alright, Jon Kit, the veteran comes in: \u201cCool.\u201d I\u2019m still ascending in my personal career. I\u2019m like a psycho maniacal\/obsessive competitor; right? I would find out that everyone, basically, on this interview is as well. When Kit signed, I was like, \u201cAlright; cool. That\u2019s the veteran guy. I\u2019m going to learn from him; I\u2019m going to be the starter here at some point.\u201d\n\nThen, I remember when Josh came into the building. Again, I did not know either of these guys [personally]. I was in the indoor facility, in one of the back corner end zones, and I\u2019m doing the foot ladder. Josh walks in; I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat\u2019s up?\u201d I\u2019m thinking, \u201cWhy is Josh McCown here?\u201d I\u2019m thinking, \u201c<em>I\u2019m<\/em> the backup quarterback.\u201d He\u2019s like, \u201cWhat\u2019s up, man?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat\u2019s going on?\u201d And we just chit chat for a little bit. Josh doesn\u2019t share with me that he has actually signed with the Lions.\n\nI get done with my workout; but my mind is racing, and worry is overcoming me. I\u2019m like, \u201cWhy is Josh McCown in our building?\u201d I sit down for lunch, and I get word from somebody\u2014I don\u2019t know who I was sitting with\u2014that Josh McCown had signed. I immediately thought to myself, \u201cI <em>hate<\/em> Josh McCown. [Laughter] I want nothing to do with him. I\u2019m going to <em>crush<\/em> this dude. Why is he even here?\u201d The wildest thing was like Josh treated me like a <em>best<\/em> friend the whole time.\n\nWe were as competitive as three human beings could be. I think that was the initial draw for me when it came to Jon and Josh. I had never been around <em>anyone<\/em> like them\u2014someone who could be very similar to me with their mindset: they wanted to <em>crush<\/em> you when you competed against them; they never held back, and they pushed you to the absolute limits. But then they were <em>amazing<\/em> human beings to you, and incredible husbands, and remarkable fathers, and great teammates. I\u2019d never been around someone that could want to knock you down <em>and<\/em> help you up at the same time in every aspect of your life. I think that was my initial draw to sitting back and going, \u201cSomething that they have, I\u2019ve never seen before.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; so they come in. They\u2019re, obviously, followers of Christ\u2014they\u2019ve talked about that\u2014they\u2019re on mission. Dan, where were you in your life at that time?\n\n<strong>Dan:<\/strong> I grew up in a traditional church home, but I was very much so the \u201csecond-year NFL quarterback\u201d who thought he had it all and he was the man\u2014at least, externally, I was there. I was a womanizer and flaunting money, whatever money I had\u2014totally insecure\u2014making sure that people knew I was a quarterback in the NFL\u2014certainly heading down the path of becoming what I did not want to become. Just kind of whatever stereotype you had in your mind when it came to a young, immature, reckless adult with money, I was kind of that in my life.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Dan, I will agree. You, probably, as you got to know them, you saw them as dads and as husbands. What stuck out to you in that realm?\n\n<strong>Dan:<\/strong> For me, I had never experienced anything like that. I had never experienced someone who could be as driven as these guys were on the athletic field, and as hard-working in the football weight room, and as incredible trash talkers as they were; but then, actually kiss their wife in front of their boys. When I say, \u201cboys,\u201d I mean their teammates\/their buddies, not their kids\u2014like hug their wife, speak positively about their wife\u2014like talk about looking forward to going home, and being home, and spending time with those people\u2014and then, talk proudly about being a father and how important it was to them.\n\nThe way they allocated their effort, and their energy, and their time: it was like family time, family time, family time. All the positivity that came from their mouths about being a dad and husband, I was like, \u201cWhat?! You guys like doing that stuff? You like being a dad? You love being a husband?\u201d I didn\u2019t know that guys were supposed to enjoy being married, and supposed to actually love being around their wife and their children. It\u2019s all these guys talked about, and then their actions followed it.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Sort of a revival started to take place in that locker room; including, we\u2019ll hear Dan\u2019s story.\n\nBut from Jon and Josh, what do you remember? What started it to happen? Why did it happen? When you think back\u2014I know you\u2019ve been on other teams, and God\u2019s working in all kinds of different places\u2014but in that one year, something pretty special happened. What do you remember?\n\n<strong>Jon:<\/strong> I think, first of all, it was getting to meet you, and having the Bible study, and then asking guys to go. Obviously, Dan\u2019s in the quarterback room; so we\u2019re definitely going to ask him. I think what Dan was saying was, \u201cIs this how you last in the league this long?\u201d It was like, \u201cI\u2019ll go and do this because this might prolong my career,\u201d more than anything.\n\nJosh and I\/we weren\u2019t necessarily having conversations like, \u201cOkay; hey, man, you\u2019ve got those five.\u201d It was like, \u201cLet\u2019s just be us,\u201d\u2014the talking trash, and you show up at Lifetime Fitness, and Josh is dunking on people. You come back in the locker room, and you\u2019re playing dominoes; but you\u2019re doing it without cussing; you\u2019re doing it without having to go outside of the Word of God to compete.\n\nThat was from the guys in the locker room\u2014some of the stories\/some of the testimonies\u2014of listening to guys in the locker room. That was the thing that stood out to them\u2014was they\u2019d never seen that. I guess, to just put it in a capsule: the Monday night couple studies that we had at the house\u2014and seeing 40 people in one house on a Monday night\u2014that\u2019s not NFL; that\u2019s not how it\u2019s done,\n\nIt wasn\u2019t really anything that I was doing, or Josh was doing, or you were doing. God was like, \u201cHere you go. Here\u2019s a ministry for you; be a good steward.\u201d\n\n<strong>Josh:<\/strong> I think, too, in the facility, Dave, I give you a lot of credit. You created a space at Bible study that was a conversation more than it was just a study. It was relatable, so it was a continuance of what was happening in the locker room. Guys were coming in and getting some good theology\u2014and even with Ann on Monday night\u2014you guys were a huge part of\u2014I don\u2019t think one happens without the other. There needed to be another face to go to that God\u2019s voice was represented. You guys did a great job of that. I think that was critical in the Bible studies\u2014when we get a guy to come\u2014he wouldn\u2019t get uncomfortable because of your leadership.\n\n<strong>Dan:<\/strong> You guys have mentioned the Bible studies; right? We did the Thursday afternoons and then the couples. I had <em>never<\/em> encountered another man in my life, who loved me\u2014like truly I felt loved by\/like I had with Wilson, and McCown, and Kit\u2014that I didn\u2019t view as soft. There was something so appealing about that to so many of us in the locker room. That\u2019s one of the reasons why those Bible studies became the draws that they did, and the Monday nighters that became the whole football team, essentially.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; our Monday night couples study in the past, for decades, had been ten, eight, maybe twelve people. That thing grew to, like you said, almost forty. [Laughter] I\u2019ll never forget\u2014this happened several times\u2014I\u2019d be sitting there, and I\u2019d look over, and there\u2019d be a player there that would be the last guy in the locker room that I\u2019d <em>expect<\/em> at Bible study.\n\nI\u2019d be looking around, \u201cWhat is <em>he<\/em> doing here?\u201d I\u2019d ask him\u2014I don\u2019t know if you guys knew this\u2014but I\u2019d say to whoever\/I\u2019d say, \u201cHey, dude. What are you doing here?\u201d Almost every time, they\u2019d point at Jon or Josh, and just go, \u201cI\u2019m here because of them.\u201d They were\u2014what you guys just said\u2014they were watching your lives. I don\u2019t think they had ever really seen what Dan just explained.\n\n<strong>Josh:<\/strong> It\u2019s funny what you just said\u2014they were watching our lives\u2014right? It\u2019s funny; because you run into these guys: you run into Gerald Alexander, Ernie Sims, and Don Muhlbach, and Paris Lenon\u2014to listen to their testimonies, ten and twelve years later, and hearing what God did in that short amount of time. It wasn\u2019t even a full year\u2014it was eight\/nine months of what He did and is still doing in the lives of these people\u2014but they were watching; they were watching.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, they were. I remember one time walking into the guys\u2019 study in the locker room. Calvin Johnson came running in. That day in practice\u2014you guys remember it; I wasn\u2019t there\u2014Kit, you went off on somebody; the defense got\/it was a goal line deal. We\u2019ve all been there, where they\u2019re grabbing guys and doing stuff. You run up there, and you\u2019re screaming at them.\n\nCalvin comes in; and his comment is, \u201cI have never seen a guy get so mad and never cuss. You never cussed one time! You honored Christ even in that moment!\u201d Then he walked out of the room. I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat just happened?\u201d Again, it struck him, what Dan said: \u201cStrength but under Christ.\u201d\n\n<strong>Jon:<\/strong> That\u2019s not something like that I think we intentionally [think], \u201cOkay; I\u2019ve got to be a certain way.\u201d That\u2019s walking with Christ; we\u2019re called to be a peculiar people. People should be looking and going, \u201cWhat\u2019s different?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s 1 Peter 3:15\u2014that\u2019s what Karl Payne trained us on all those years in Seattle.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting, too; because behind the scenes, my wives\u2019 Bible study that I had grew that year too. It was pretty interesting as I talked to the wives\u2014like, \u201cHey! This is exciting that you\u2019re here! What are you doing here?\u201d\u2014they\u2019re like, \u201cWe want marriages like the Kitnas and the McCowns.\u201d The bad thing was that everyone hated their own husband; because Jenny would be like, \u201cOh yes; Jon came, and he rearranged the furniture on his day off.\u201d [Laughter] All these wives are like, \u201cWhat are you talking about?!\u201d\n\nI think what they <em>saw<\/em> was the way a man\/a Christ-follower loves his wife, and makes his wife and his kids a priority. They were blown away by it. I think that\u2019s why all the wives wanted to come to these Bible studies. They\u2019re getting their husbands like, \u201cYou need to be more like Josh and Jon.\u201d The guys were feeling pressure as they watched, and their wives were watching as well.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The interesting thing is, when I talk about that year, I say, \u201cThe locker room tilted toward the quarterback lockers.\u201d I don\u2019t know if you guys could see that. I\u2019d walk in there and it was like the <em>whole<\/em> locker room was where you guys were; they were <em>drawn<\/em> over there. They had Kit with his big Bible\u2014blam!\u2014right there, on his locker, in your face. They had Josh as this lover and jokester. The whole locker room was pulled over there. Then, by the end of that season, I think we baptized 20 or 25 players, wives, and kids, which was a beautiful thing.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve been listening to a conversation with three NFL quarterbacks\u2014right?\u2014Dan Orlovsky, Jon Kitna, Josh McCown\u2014all part of the Detroit Lions team in 2006\/2007\u2014which I think has to stand out as maybe the highlight of your 33 years of your being a chaplain for the Lions?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, yes!\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I wish you could hear all their wives. These guys are remarkable men, and their wives are <em>astounding<\/em> women\u2014strong, beautiful, smart, godly. They really have had an impact, not only on their husbands, but on their kids as well.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What\u2019s really cool is they still are: these men understand who they are; they understand why God made them and gave them the success they\u2019ve had in the NFL, and they\u2019re using that for the gospel.\n\nBob, as you say that, thinking back on that season\/think about this\u2014in Detroit, the fans in Detroit don\u2019t remember that season; we won three games. They think it\u2019s a bad season. Yet, they don\u2019t know; it was a year of salvation and baptisms that legacies will <em>forever<\/em> be changed.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Honey, in the Super Bowl\/heaven\u2019s Super Bowl\u2014you won. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, we won. There are victories that nobody in Detroit or around the world know about; but those are the true, lasting, real victories.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m thinking there are listeners who know some die hard football fans, who would <em>love<\/em> to hear\u2014if they missed today\u2019s program\u2014send the podcast; send a link to today\u2019s program to them and say, \u201cYou need to listen to this. Great story of what happened with the Detroit Lions back in 2006\/2007.\u201d Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com. The link to the podcast is available there.\n\nOf course, all of our programs are available as a podcast. You can go back through our entire archive of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> programs and find programs that address the issues you\u2019re dealing with in your own marriage and family. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com. All of these programs are available for free download. You can sign up for <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> as a daily podcast, have it delivered to you each day, and listen on your podcast device or on this local radio station. Again, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\nTomorrow, we\u2019re going to hear more about the impact of the 2006\/2007 season in the lives of these three men and many of their teammates. Josh McCown, Jon Kitna, and Dan Orlovsky join us, again, tomorrow. I hope you can be back here as well. If you know a football fan, invite them to tune in and hear tomorrow\u2019s program as well.\n\nI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. 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Wilson is joined by former NFL quarterbacks Dan Orlovsky, Jon Kitna, and Josh McCown to provide an inside peek into their time together with the Detroit Lions.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2020-09-07.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Dan Orlovsky was a young quarterback, playing for the Detroit Lions in 2006, when he met two other quarterbacks, Jon Kitna and Josh McCown. Both of those men wound up having a profound impact on Dan\u2019s life.\n\n<strong>Dan:<\/strong> I had never been around anyone like them. They wanted to <em>crush<\/em> you when you competed against them; they never held back, and they pushed you to the absolute limits. But then they were like <em>amazing<\/em> human beings to you, and incredible husbands, and remarkable fathers, and great teammates. I\u2019d never been around someone that could want to knock you down <em>and<\/em> help you up at the same time in every aspect of your life. I think that was my initial draw to sitting back and going, \u201cSomething that they have, I\u2019ve never seen before.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, September 7<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You\u2019ll find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. It\u2019s not often that a pro football locker room becomes holy ground, but that happened with the Detroit Lions back in 2006. We\u2019ll hear that story today. Stay with us.\n\nAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Monday edition on Labor Day. I hope you\u2019re enjoying the Labor Day holiday if you\u2019re listening here in the United States. We weren\u2019t sure this was going to happen, but it looks like\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes! Football!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014there\u2019s going to be football.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And my husband is happy. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> <em>Life<\/em> is good.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019ve spent a lot of weeks leading up to this, wondering, \u201cAm I going to be able to survive the fall or not?\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think I\u2019m alone, Bob. I think there are <em>millions<\/em> with me that were hoping\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And many wives are depressed about this. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want to ask about this because a lot of people look at football and go, \u201cWhy are people so obsessed with football? Football\u2019s a dangerous sport. There\u2019s all kinds of issues related to football.\u201d\n\nYou\u2019ve seen it as both a ministry opportunity; you\u2019ve seen it as God\u2019s used football in your own life to help you develop into the man He\u2019s made you to be.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I actually think there\u2019s a misconception, even at our church, about me and football. They think I did a ministry in the NFL as a chaplain for 33 seasons because I love football; it isn\u2019t. I do love the game; I think it\u2019s a great game. I\u2019ve played it; it develops character. Our sons played; it was beautiful to watch character be developed through hardship in football. But the only reason we did a ministry in football was the platform. It\u2019s <em>crazy<\/em> to think that these guys and their wives have influence because of their job.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> They\u2019re heroes in our culture today.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s sort of ridiculous; you know, they play football; yet people want to know, \u201cWhat\u2019s your perspective on this and that?\u201d All I know is: \u201cThat\u2019s the world we live in, so why not use that platform to promote and extend the gospel?\u201d\u2014that was our motivation.\n\nI wanted to win a Super Bowl; we never did. [Laughter] We only won one playoff game, but that was <em>never <\/em>my hope. My hope was that these men, and their wives, and their kids would come to Christ; and then they would see, \u201cWow! God has given me a voice! People listen to what I say. I\u2019m going to extend the gospel.\u201d We saw that happen in a beautiful way.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re going to bring our listeners into the locker room today\u2014because back, more than a decade ago, you, as the Detroit Lions chaplain\u2014there was a season that was really a remarkable season.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And it wasn\u2019t just me, Bob.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We call it the Year of Jubilee in our football life.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I just want to say\u2014Ann\u2019s ministry was as important as mine with those wives; it really was.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There were people in the locker room coming to faith.\n\nWe had a chance recently to connect with three teammates from back in that season. Some of these will be names that our football fan listeners will know: Jon Kitna, who was a quarterback for the Lions; Josh McCown, who\u2019s been in the league for\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014forever.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014decades; Dan Orlovsky, who is now an ESPN analyst, and was in the league for years. All three of these guys were part of the locker room in 2006\/2007, and God did something amazing. We connected with them on a Zoom call recently, and said, \u201cLet\u2019s revisit that season and hear about God\u2019s work in the midst of what was going on with the Detroit Lions that year.\u201d Let\u2019s listen to that conversation.\n\n[Previous Interview]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Pretty amazing how God brought the three of you together in Detroit. I\u2019ll start with Jon. As you signed, it was the only time, in 33 years as the chaplain of the team, that we were asked by the general manager and the head coach to be a part of a lunch, when Jon, you and Jenny were coming in to be recruited, basically, to come to Detroit. How did we end up at that lunch, and what happened?\n\n<strong>Jon:<\/strong> I think for us, it had to have been our second time going through the free agency thing. When we were coming up to Detroit, we asked them if there was a chaplain program\u2014who it was\u2014\u201dWould we be able to meet them when we were there?\u201d That was the lunch time; that\u2019s how that happened. Obviously, they made sure your wife came with; because that was the sealer to the deal, right there, for my wife and for us.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Jon, let me ask you: \u201cWhy was meeting the chaplain of the team such a priority for you coming into Detroit?\u201d\n\n<strong>Jon:<\/strong> We never viewed ourselves as NFL players. We just felt like we were Christians on mission; God was using the NFL to move us. There\u2019s a lot of programs and things and people, who are out there, that are not necessarily trying to help the ministry of Christ in NFL locker rooms. If there was a chaplain program, we wanted to know about it, and what it was about, and the fruit of the ministry that had been there before we got there. Outside of, obviously, your offense coordinator, and all of that stuff\u2014what kind of offense you\u2019re going to run\u2014but it was important for us because we always have felt like we were on mission for the Lord in our career.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Where did that mission mindset come for you?\n\n<strong>Jon:<\/strong> It started happening when I got saved\u2014the guy who discipled me first, Eric Boles, who was teaching me straight Bible. When I got to Seattle, and my first five years of Seattle with Karl Payne, who is the chaplain there. His teaching on apologetics and why it\u2019s important to be able to defend our faith and to be able to give people answers for questions that are sincere\u2014that\u2019s really where it came from\u2014just understanding that our life is not our own\u2014the Galatians 2:20 mindset.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I remember, Jon, first of all, when Dave came home, and he said, \u201cThe Lions have asked us to have lunch with this possible quarterback and his wife coming in.\u201d I was in <em>shock<\/em>; because I\u2019m thinking, \u201cWhat?! Why would they care about <em>us<\/em>?\u201d\n\nThen, when we sat down with you and Jenny, and I happened to be sitting right beside Jenny in that lunch\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Actually, no one talked at all except you and Jenny.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Probably.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I sat over there the whole time.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014I said, \u201cI <em>love<\/em> her; I hope they come.\u201d She had this mindset of, \u201cWhat would it look like to bring people to Christ but, also, grow spiritually together in Detroit?\u201d That was really pretty new for us that someone had a mindset of: \u201cWhat could this look like as a ministry, together, to reach people for Christ in the locker room?\u2014and for the wives, as well, and their families.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Then right after that, Josh, you ended up signing. I don\u2019t know if I got the timetable right\u2014if you were before or after Jon\u2014you guys both came in. Josh, you had a similar mindset in terms of: \u201cI\u2019m not just there to play football.\u201d\n\n<strong>Josh: <\/strong>I remember locking up with Kit in the hallway there, and just knowing, from an outside perception, \u201cOkay; these guys are here to compete for a job.\u201d It was like not even\/it was just a matter of, \u201cMan, we\u2019re here to work, for the team, but [also] for the Lord.\u201d I think that was the biggest thing for me.\n\nFor four years in Arizona, I kind of understood a little bit how to do ministry, but not in a locker room, where you\u2019re able to lock arms with a brother and be intentional about it.\n\n<strong>Jon:<\/strong> I\u2019ll never forget that either. I remember\u2014in the hallway between the in door and the locker room\u2014and seeing Josh. I didn\u2019t know that Josh had been signed. It was immediately, if I remember right, we bro hugged. But to me, immediately in my mind, I was like, \u201cOh, God\u2019s up to something here\u201d; because to put us in the same locker room, my eyes were just wide open.\n\n<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, so there was a sense of destiny. I remember standing outside the locker room\u2014I think it was much later than\u2014you guys came in the offseason, so this would have been right at the beginning of training camp. With you, Jon\u2014I think I\u2019m remembering this right\u2014it might have been Josh, but it might have been both of you\u2014I remember one of you putting your arms around my shoulder as we looked at the locker room. Actually, we were standing right over by the mailboxes, looking out at the entire locker room. You said, \u201cTell me about our ministry here,\u201d\u2014those were your words.\n\nI remember looking at you like, \u201cWhat do you mean, our ministry here?\u201d I thought, \u201cThis is one of the first times I\u2019ve ever had a player walk in and realize, \u2018I\u2019m not just here to win football games,\u2019\u201d\u2014which you were and you were committed to that\u2014but you were like, as you said earlier, Jon, \u201cI\u2019m sent here on mission. This is a ministry. Let\u2019s go, because God\u2019s going to do something.\u201d I remember thinking, \u201cOh, my goodness. I think we\u2019re going to be on a journey this year because we have some leaders who <em>get it<\/em>.\u201d I was like, \u201cWhat\u2019s God going to do?\u201d\n\nThen, Dan Orlovsky was there. He was the Rookie of the Year before, and now he\u2019s in his second year. He\u2019s going to be in that quarterback room with you guys. Dan, talk about your thoughts as you meet your two new quarterbacks. They replaced the guys before you, and now you\u2019ve got two new guys who\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014what was that relationship like?\n\n<strong>Dan:<\/strong> I knew of both guys. I didn\u2019t know them personally, but knew of both guys. I knew Kit signed. I was still young. Alright, Jon Kit, the veteran comes in: \u201cCool.\u201d I\u2019m still ascending in my personal career. I\u2019m like a psycho maniacal\/obsessive competitor; right? I would find out that everyone, basically, on this interview is as well. When Kit signed, I was like, \u201cAlright; cool. That\u2019s the veteran guy. I\u2019m going to learn from him; I\u2019m going to be the starter here at some point.\u201d\n\nThen, I remember when Josh came into the building. Again, I did not know either of these guys [personally]. I was in the indoor facility, in one of the back corner end zones, and I\u2019m doing the foot ladder. Josh walks in; I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat\u2019s up?\u201d I\u2019m thinking, \u201cWhy is Josh McCown here?\u201d I\u2019m thinking, \u201c<em>I\u2019m<\/em> the backup quarterback.\u201d He\u2019s like, \u201cWhat\u2019s up, man?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat\u2019s going on?\u201d And we just chit chat for a little bit. Josh doesn\u2019t share with me that he has actually signed with the Lions.\n\nI get done with my workout; but my mind is racing, and worry is overcoming me. I\u2019m like, \u201cWhy is Josh McCown in our building?\u201d I sit down for lunch, and I get word from somebody\u2014I don\u2019t know who I was sitting with\u2014that Josh McCown had signed. I immediately thought to myself, \u201cI <em>hate<\/em> Josh McCown. [Laughter] I want nothing to do with him. I\u2019m going to <em>crush<\/em> this dude. Why is he even here?\u201d The wildest thing was like Josh treated me like a <em>best<\/em> friend the whole time.\n\nWe were as competitive as three human beings could be. I think that was the initial draw for me when it came to Jon and Josh. I had never been around <em>anyone<\/em> like them\u2014someone who could be very similar to me with their mindset: they wanted to <em>crush<\/em> you when you competed against them; they never held back, and they pushed you to the absolute limits. But then they were <em>amazing<\/em> human beings to you, and incredible husbands, and remarkable fathers, and great teammates. I\u2019d never been around someone that could want to knock you down <em>and<\/em> help you up at the same time in every aspect of your life. I think that was my initial draw to sitting back and going, \u201cSomething that they have, I\u2019ve never seen before.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; so they come in. They\u2019re, obviously, followers of Christ\u2014they\u2019ve talked about that\u2014they\u2019re on mission. Dan, where were you in your life at that time?\n\n<strong>Dan:<\/strong> I grew up in a traditional church home, but I was very much so the \u201csecond-year NFL quarterback\u201d who thought he had it all and he was the man\u2014at least, externally, I was there. I was a womanizer and flaunting money, whatever money I had\u2014totally insecure\u2014making sure that people knew I was a quarterback in the NFL\u2014certainly heading down the path of becoming what I did not want to become. Just kind of whatever stereotype you had in your mind when it came to a young, immature, reckless adult with money, I was kind of that in my life.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Dan, I will agree. You, probably, as you got to know them, you saw them as dads and as husbands. What stuck out to you in that realm?\n\n<strong>Dan:<\/strong> For me, I had never experienced anything like that. I had never experienced someone who could be as driven as these guys were on the athletic field, and as hard-working in the football weight room, and as incredible trash talkers as they were; but then, actually kiss their wife in front of their boys. When I say, \u201cboys,\u201d I mean their teammates\/their buddies, not their kids\u2014like hug their wife, speak positively about their wife\u2014like talk about looking forward to going home, and being home, and spending time with those people\u2014and then, talk proudly about being a father and how important it was to them.\n\nThe way they allocated their effort, and their energy, and their time: it was like family time, family time, family time. All the positivity that came from their mouths about being a dad and husband, I was like, \u201cWhat?! You guys like doing that stuff? You like being a dad? You love being a husband?\u201d I didn\u2019t know that guys were supposed to enjoy being married, and supposed to actually love being around their wife and their children. It\u2019s all these guys talked about, and then their actions followed it.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Sort of a revival started to take place in that locker room; including, we\u2019ll hear Dan\u2019s story.\n\nBut from Jon and Josh, what do you remember? What started it to happen? Why did it happen? When you think back\u2014I know you\u2019ve been on other teams, and God\u2019s working in all kinds of different places\u2014but in that one year, something pretty special happened. What do you remember?\n\n<strong>Jon:<\/strong> I think, first of all, it was getting to meet you, and having the Bible study, and then asking guys to go. Obviously, Dan\u2019s in the quarterback room; so we\u2019re definitely going to ask him. I think what Dan was saying was, \u201cIs this how you last in the league this long?\u201d It was like, \u201cI\u2019ll go and do this because this might prolong my career,\u201d more than anything.\n\nJosh and I\/we weren\u2019t necessarily having conversations like, \u201cOkay; hey, man, you\u2019ve got those five.\u201d It was like, \u201cLet\u2019s just be us,\u201d\u2014the talking trash, and you show up at Lifetime Fitness, and Josh is dunking on people. You come back in the locker room, and you\u2019re playing dominoes; but you\u2019re doing it without cussing; you\u2019re doing it without having to go outside of the Word of God to compete.\n\nThat was from the guys in the locker room\u2014some of the stories\/some of the testimonies\u2014of listening to guys in the locker room. That was the thing that stood out to them\u2014was they\u2019d never seen that. I guess, to just put it in a capsule: the Monday night couple studies that we had at the house\u2014and seeing 40 people in one house on a Monday night\u2014that\u2019s not NFL; that\u2019s not how it\u2019s done,\n\nIt wasn\u2019t really anything that I was doing, or Josh was doing, or you were doing. God was like, \u201cHere you go. Here\u2019s a ministry for you; be a good steward.\u201d\n\n<strong>Josh:<\/strong> I think, too, in the facility, Dave, I give you a lot of credit. You created a space at Bible study that was a conversation more than it was just a study. It was relatable, so it was a continuance of what was happening in the locker room. Guys were coming in and getting some good theology\u2014and even with Ann on Monday night\u2014you guys were a huge part of\u2014I don\u2019t think one happens without the other. There needed to be another face to go to that God\u2019s voice was represented. You guys did a great job of that. I think that was critical in the Bible studies\u2014when we get a guy to come\u2014he wouldn\u2019t get uncomfortable because of your leadership.\n\n<strong>Dan:<\/strong> You guys have mentioned the Bible studies; right? We did the Thursday afternoons and then the couples. I had <em>never<\/em> encountered another man in my life, who loved me\u2014like truly I felt loved by\/like I had with Wilson, and McCown, and Kit\u2014that I didn\u2019t view as soft. There was something so appealing about that to so many of us in the locker room. That\u2019s one of the reasons why those Bible studies became the draws that they did, and the Monday nighters that became the whole football team, essentially.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; our Monday night couples study in the past, for decades, had been ten, eight, maybe twelve people. That thing grew to, like you said, almost forty. [Laughter] I\u2019ll never forget\u2014this happened several times\u2014I\u2019d be sitting there, and I\u2019d look over, and there\u2019d be a player there that would be the last guy in the locker room that I\u2019d <em>expect<\/em> at Bible study.\n\nI\u2019d be looking around, \u201cWhat is <em>he<\/em> doing here?\u201d I\u2019d ask him\u2014I don\u2019t know if you guys knew this\u2014but I\u2019d say to whoever\/I\u2019d say, \u201cHey, dude. What are you doing here?\u201d Almost every time, they\u2019d point at Jon or Josh, and just go, \u201cI\u2019m here because of them.\u201d They were\u2014what you guys just said\u2014they were watching your lives. I don\u2019t think they had ever really seen what Dan just explained.\n\n<strong>Josh:<\/strong> It\u2019s funny what you just said\u2014they were watching our lives\u2014right? It\u2019s funny; because you run into these guys: you run into Gerald Alexander, Ernie Sims, and Don Muhlbach, and Paris Lenon\u2014to listen to their testimonies, ten and twelve years later, and hearing what God did in that short amount of time. It wasn\u2019t even a full year\u2014it was eight\/nine months of what He did and is still doing in the lives of these people\u2014but they were watching; they were watching.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, they were. I remember one time walking into the guys\u2019 study in the locker room. Calvin Johnson came running in. That day in practice\u2014you guys remember it; I wasn\u2019t there\u2014Kit, you went off on somebody; the defense got\/it was a goal line deal. We\u2019ve all been there, where they\u2019re grabbing guys and doing stuff. You run up there, and you\u2019re screaming at them.\n\nCalvin comes in; and his comment is, \u201cI have never seen a guy get so mad and never cuss. You never cussed one time! You honored Christ even in that moment!\u201d Then he walked out of the room. I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat just happened?\u201d Again, it struck him, what Dan said: \u201cStrength but under Christ.\u201d\n\n<strong>Jon:<\/strong> That\u2019s not something like that I think we intentionally [think], \u201cOkay; I\u2019ve got to be a certain way.\u201d That\u2019s walking with Christ; we\u2019re called to be a peculiar people. People should be looking and going, \u201cWhat\u2019s different?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s 1 Peter 3:15\u2014that\u2019s what Karl Payne trained us on all those years in Seattle.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting, too; because behind the scenes, my wives\u2019 Bible study that I had grew that year too. It was pretty interesting as I talked to the wives\u2014like, \u201cHey! This is exciting that you\u2019re here! What are you doing here?\u201d\u2014they\u2019re like, \u201cWe want marriages like the Kitnas and the McCowns.\u201d The bad thing was that everyone hated their own husband; because Jenny would be like, \u201cOh yes; Jon came, and he rearranged the furniture on his day off.\u201d [Laughter] All these wives are like, \u201cWhat are you talking about?!\u201d\n\nI think what they <em>saw<\/em> was the way a man\/a Christ-follower loves his wife, and makes his wife and his kids a priority. They were blown away by it. I think that\u2019s why all the wives wanted to come to these Bible studies. They\u2019re getting their husbands like, \u201cYou need to be more like Josh and Jon.\u201d The guys were feeling pressure as they watched, and their wives were watching as well.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The interesting thing is, when I talk about that year, I say, \u201cThe locker room tilted toward the quarterback lockers.\u201d I don\u2019t know if you guys could see that. I\u2019d walk in there and it was like the <em>whole<\/em> locker room was where you guys were; they were <em>drawn<\/em> over there. They had Kit with his big Bible\u2014blam!\u2014right there, on his locker, in your face. They had Josh as this lover and jokester. The whole locker room was pulled over there. Then, by the end of that season, I think we baptized 20 or 25 players, wives, and kids, which was a beautiful thing.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve been listening to a conversation with three NFL quarterbacks\u2014right?\u2014Dan Orlovsky, Jon Kitna, Josh McCown\u2014all part of the Detroit Lions team in 2006\/2007\u2014which I think has to stand out as maybe the highlight of your 33 years of your being a chaplain for the Lions?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, yes!\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I wish you could hear all their wives. These guys are remarkable men, and their wives are <em>astounding<\/em> women\u2014strong, beautiful, smart, godly. They really have had an impact, not only on their husbands, but on their kids as well.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What\u2019s really cool is they still are: these men understand who they are; they understand why God made them and gave them the success they\u2019ve had in the NFL, and they\u2019re using that for the gospel.\n\nBob, as you say that, thinking back on that season\/think about this\u2014in Detroit, the fans in Detroit don\u2019t remember that season; we won three games. They think it\u2019s a bad season. Yet, they don\u2019t know; it was a year of salvation and baptisms that legacies will <em>forever<\/em> be changed.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Honey, in the Super Bowl\/heaven\u2019s Super Bowl\u2014you won. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, we won. There are victories that nobody in Detroit or around the world know about; but those are the true, lasting, real victories.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m thinking there are listeners who know some die hard football fans, who would <em>love<\/em> to hear\u2014if they missed today\u2019s program\u2014send the podcast; send a link to today\u2019s program to them and say, \u201cYou need to listen to this. Great story of what happened with the Detroit Lions back in 2006\/2007.\u201d Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com. The link to the podcast is available there.\n\nOf course, all of our programs are available as a podcast. You can go back through our entire archive of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> programs and find programs that address the issues you\u2019re dealing with in your own marriage and family. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com. All of these programs are available for free download. You can sign up for <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> as a daily podcast, have it delivered to you each day, and listen on your podcast device or on this local radio station. Again, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\nTomorrow, we\u2019re going to hear more about the impact of the 2006\/2007 season in the lives of these three men and many of their teammates. Josh McCown, Jon Kitna, and Dan Orlovsky join us, again, tomorrow. I hope you can be back here as well. If you know a football fan, invite them to tune in and hear tomorrow\u2019s program as well.\n\nI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. 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