{"id":306228,"date":"2020-07-03T07:00:04","date_gmt":"2020-07-03T11:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/walking-with-god-in-the-valley\/"},"modified":"2025-05-13T16:50:14","modified_gmt":"2025-05-13T20:50:14","slug":"walking-with-god-in-the-valley","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/walking-with-god-in-the-valley\/","title":{"rendered":"Walking With God in the Valley"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Guest: Matthew Arbo | Series: Walking Through Infertility | Matthew Arbo wants couples who struggle with infertility to know God is with them. Arbo shares how men and women process infertility differently and cautions couples from isolating in their pain. 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Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I\u2019m Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. It\u2019s important for couples, as we experience infertility, to remind ourselves of what the Bible says is true and then to believe those truths by faith. We\u2019ll talk more about that today. Stay with us.<\/p>\n<p>And welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. We are spending time in the valley of the shadow this week. I know, when you think about Psalm 23, where it says, \u201cThough I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil,\u201d\u2014when you talk about the subject of infertility\u2014you don\u2019t think, \u201cWell, I\u2019m walking through the valley of the shadow of death\u201d; but there is a very real sense that this is a death-like experience, month in and month out, for couples who are longing for kids. Every time a woman starts her cycle again, there\u2019s a death that just happened.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, that\u2019s very true. I was just leading a Bible study this past fall. There were eight women, and three were struggling with infertility. The pain in the room, that was so present every single week, was <em>hard<\/em>; and it was really hard because, then, there was another woman, who was pregnant. They were celebrating her; but there\u2019s also this pain that they are bearing, that they are always wondering, \u201cWill that ever be me?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting to think\u2014because I\u2019m with those husbands\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014and I\u2019ve got to be honest. Often, those husbands are quiet; they are not coming to a group and talking about it\u2014they\u2019re just hiding. Yet, the pain is just as real. You almost have to draw it out of them to say, \u201cHey, man, what\u2019s going on?\u201d Usually, they are not going to go there unless they\u2019re <em>really<\/em> desperate; so it\u2019s a <em>quiet<\/em> pain in that dark valley.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, this is a question I\u2019ve got for our guest, who I want to introduce to our listeners today. Matthew Arbo joining us, again, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014welcome back, Matthew.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Thanks.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Matthew is a professor of Christian Ethics at Oklahoma Baptist University in Shawnee, Oklahoma. Matthew and his wife have been married since 2007. They have two boys and a third child on the way; right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Correct; yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019ve written a book called <em>Walking Through Infertility<\/em>. In your investigation of this subject\u2014as you talk to people in this experience\u2014do men and women process and deal with infertility in different ways?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Absolutely; women, in general, are more open to talking about their experience with other women\u2014particularly if the other woman has had that experience herself. Men are very, very unlikely to talk about the experience; and there are all kinds of interesting cultural reasons for that. One of the more interesting ones\u2014because it\u2019s so common\u2014is there\u2019s this feeling\/worry about virility; and this long-standing cultural assumption that masculinity is bound up with virility\u2014and that\u2019s a lie.<\/p>\n<p>Who we are, as a gendered person, is bound up in Christ <em>first<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> It says nothing about me, as a man, whether I\u2019m able to have children.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting\u2014men\u2014you know, this whole area of the sexual performance\u2014they\u2019ll joke about it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> You know, it\u2019s something you joke about; and it\u2019s a cover-up, because we\u2019re afraid to talk about it, especially when there is <em>pain<\/em> that they\u2019re going through. So, what do you say to a man, who is unwilling to talk about it?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Admittedly, it can be difficult to know, from the guy\u2019s vantage point, what\u2019s going on; because conversation just typically isn\u2019t about these sorts of subjects.<\/p>\n<p>One thing you can do, I think, is\u2014if there\u2019s enough closeness, and you have enough of a sense of their ordinary day-to-day life, asking questions that kind of coax\u2014that are less sort of like a challenge\/less sort of right to the point\u2014like, \u201cHey, is this your problem?\u201d\u2014more or less, kind of inviting them to talk around it and then encircling in closer to the nature of the hurt or the nature of the difficulty. Does that make sense?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> In a way, also, it kind of relieves the possibility of pride\/of suspicion. Guys can be weird about discussing how they feel about anything, depending on the circumstances; but with this one, in particular, I think there is a real worry about judgment.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, and one of the things that I\u2019m thinking right now is\u2014as a married couple, as you\u2019re struggling with this topic, I\u2019m imagining that it would be hard to even talk to each other. Does that ever come into play that you\u2019ve heard of\u2014or even your brother and your sister-in-law?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Absolutely; for all sorts of very interesting reasons. The thing I think I hear most about is\u2014not just the breakdowns of communication\u2014but then kind of islanding; you know? They\u2019re just becoming their own independent universes, and it doesn\u2019t take very long before the other person almost becomes kind of an object of resentment. There\u2019s not even a sense of, like, <em>how<\/em> to begin talking anymore. At that point, things are very dangerous and on very tumultuous ground.<\/p>\n<p>Hopefully, if this couple is in the church, their pastors are alerted that there are problems. You know, maybe, they can intervene; but what I tend to see with couples\u2014and hear from couples\u2014is this sense of profound isolation\u2014of not even knowing how to begin to have this hurtful, difficult conversation without it becoming about the blame, about fault, about explanations. It\u2019s just really difficult to forebear.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Dave and Ann are going to be able to finish this sentence very easily. The natural drift in every marriage is\u2014what? [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know, Bob. I\u2019ll have to think about that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014toward isolation\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and, especially, in this circumstance.<\/p>\n<p>If we were experiencing this, for me to come to you, Dave, and to say: \u201cHow are you feeling? Tell me the things that you are feeling, right now, about all that\u2019s going on with us,\u201d would that be scary for you? Because like\u2014I say that a lot to him.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Welcome to our date nights, right there. [Laughter] We\u2019ll go out on a date\u2014and I\u2019m not kidding; I\u2019m a talker\u2014you know, I come home every day from work\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> He\u2019s <em>great<\/em> at communicating details of the day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014she loves this\u2014I give her details: \u201cHere\u2019s what\u2019s going on.\u201d She just loves it. Then we\u2019ll go out on a date; and she\u2019ll say, \u201cLet\u2019s talk about us,\u201d and I just clam up.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Does he say, \u201cI don\u2019t want to talk about that\u201d?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> He just fumbles his way around.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> \u201cWe\u2019re good. We\u2019re good.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s what I\u2019m wondering. If in this circumstance\u2014if a couple is really struggling\u2014would it be bad for one of\u2014either the husband or the wife\u2014to say: \u201cHoney, how are you?\u2014like tell me truthfully: What are you going through? What\u2019s going on in your mind? How are you feeling?\u201d Is that a bad question to ask?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> No; it\u2019s essential. I mean, that\u2019s the kind of question that the couple needs at that moment. I mean, that\u2019s like a lifebuoy if we\u2019re talking about their total isolation\u2014opening up, just in an initial way\u2014just an invitation to communicate about how things are going: \u201cWhat are you <em>feeling<\/em> in that moment?\u201d Then, just the actual externalizing of the feeling: \u201cI\u2019m feeling angry,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m really angry, and I\u2019m really upset,\u201d \u201cI feel like you don\u2019t care,\u201d\u2014you know, all this stuff that the other person, of course, didn\u2019t know.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> The other person had <em>no<\/em> idea that they felt this way.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I would guess it\u2019s not only just with your spouse. A guy\u2014and I would say to the men out there: \u201cYou need a guy\u2026\u201d \/ women: \u201cYou need a woman that you can feel safe enough with.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I can remember\u2014when Ann\u2019s sister was struggling and ended up dying from lung cancer\u2014and Ann was down, taking care of her often, out of her home\u2014I remember a buddy coming over\u2014this was months in. We\u2019re literally in my driveway, shooting baskets. I look back\u2014it\u2019s like that opened up my heart\u2014he\u2019s not looking me in the face; we\u2019re just shooting balls.<\/p>\n<p>He just said to me\u2014he goes, \u201cHow you doing?\u201d I broke down\u2014just that question from a trusted friend with no judgment\/really no agenda: \u201cI\u2019m your friend. I\u2019m here. How are you doing?\u201d\u00a0 I remember sitting on my driveway and: \u201cMan, I\u2019m struggling. This is really hard, watching my sister-in-law die\/watching my wife\u2019s best friend.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But having that friend there\u2014I just want to say to every guy, \u201cYou need that guy.\u201d Why did I have that guy? I pursued him years ago. He pursued me. It wasn\u2019t I waited. I went after it. Ann\u2019s got those, and I know Bob has in his life. It\u2019s like\u2014you\u2019ve got to go after that guy. So, I would say to the men out there\u2014and the women\u2014hopefully, it\u2019s your spouse; but it needs to be somebody else.<\/p>\n<p>So, talk about the role of those people in your life\u2014how important is community as you\u2019re walking through that valley?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Yes; and I spent a lot of space in the book on this\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> \u2014because I think, it is essential for the church to have a sort of enfolding love and compassion for the couple that\u2019s going through that. Now, that may not always be known for reasons we can talk about\/have talked about. But we may not always know that a couple is going through that; but when a couple has trusted friends\u2014and that, even if the marriage itself is fraught\u2014they, at least, have this to lean on. They can lean on these people, and they have this sort of net that will uphold them in their difficulty.<\/p>\n<p>If they <em>do not<\/em> have that community\u2014if they, say, have withdrawn themselves from the church\u2014then the isolation becomes compounded.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Not only do they not have each other, they have no one. They, maybe have a family member or some other friend from college\u2014I mean, who knows\u2014but the church is a community of reciprocity. I mention this in the book\u2014and I really do mean it\u2014that the church also needs infertile couples. It needs <em>all<\/em> kinds. It needs fertile couples\/infertile couples; its single people\u2014right?\u2014married couples. That\u2019s the nature of the church\u2014we\u2019re a very eclectic crew. It turns out that there are heaps of people in the church that want to be there for people. There are a lot of people that really do have the open hearts of love, and they want to come right alongside.<\/p>\n<p>Statistics\u2014the more recent ones\u2014suggest that about one in ten couples will experience some form of infertility. I mean, you take up stock of your own church, and you can get a pretty good idea about how many couples in a church would have gone through that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m thinking of friends I know who I know have struggled with this issue. The thing that\u2019s always been in the back of my mind, when I see them\u2014I mean, it\u2019s almost like a little buzzer goes off\u2014the thing I know about them is: \u201cThey are dealing with infertility\u201d; but you don\u2019t want to, every time you see them, say: \u201cSo, anything happening? What\u2019s going on? How\u2019s\u2014what\u2019s this month like?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>How do you know\u2014to try to be a comfort and a friend\u2014how do you know when to bring it up, how to bring it up, if to bring it up? How do you gauge that with somebody?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> As a congregant\u2014that is non-pastoral staff, say\u2014you need to have that trust there\u2014at least, some familiarity. Actually, I think venue matters; you know? How many ears are listening in?\u2014you know\u2014where are you?\u2014have a sense of space.<\/p>\n<p>For pastors, though\u2014a pastor that is shepherding their flock well knows which couples have had that before; and they\u2019ll also know who to introduce to [whom]. They\u2019ll know: \u201cWell, this couple\u2014they\u2019ve just experienced their first miscarriage\u201d; and they know that this other couple had also experienced a miscarriage.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Put them together.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> \u201cDo you want to talk?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s good pastoral ministry.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> They don\u2019t, themselves, have to say everything there is to say about a miscarriage; but they <em>know<\/em> there is love there.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> That was what I was wondering. Like, if you\u2019ve gone through this, is that a ministry that God could be calling you into? And even as a pastor, are there ministries that you can pull people in, who are really struggling? I think that would be beautiful, Pastor Dave. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I was just going to say, as a pastor\u2014thank you, honey\u2014so often, a couple or a person will come up to me; and they think I\u2019m the person they need to talk to. As I hear their story\u2014like it could be infertility\u2014I\u2019m doing exactly what you said, \u201cOh, hey, I\u2019ve got a couple.\u201d They look at me like: \u201cNo, no, no, no. I want <em>you<\/em>.\u201d The only reason they\u2019re saying that is they just heard me speak; they can connect in some way.<\/p>\n<p>Yet, when they follow through and go, \u201cOkay; I\u2019m going to meet with this couple,\u201d\u2014guess what I hear later?\u2014\u201cThat was the perfect\u2014thank you for putting me there.\u201d I\u2019m like: \u201cYes; you wouldn\u2019t believe me; but that is the body of Christ.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> That is what God has put us all together to do\u2014to minister to one another. So, has that been your experience?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Oh, yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> You\u2019ve seen that happen?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Yes; absolutely; yes. There can be the commendation, too, in conversation that: \u201cYou know, open yourself up to receive from people. That feels really risky, given what you\u2019re going through.\u201d Keep imploring it, and keep praying for them. It\u2019s there; you know? There is a place in the human heart to receive the love that another person has. Everybody wants to be loved\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> \u2014and to receive love. They don\u2019t want\u2014no one wants to close themselves off to it; there\u2019s other stuff going on\u2014like, when you read the passage\u2014about just sticking with it\u2014just sort of coming back\/dropping by\u2014and we\u2019ve done this before\u2014we\u2019ve just taken people ice cream; you know? \u201cWe don\u2019t want to come in. We just wanted to bring you same Halo,\u201d\u2014or whatever it is.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Who doesn\u2019t want that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Nobody has ever said, \u201cYou know, get out here with that.\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cBring me H\u00e4agen-Dazs\u2014not Halo; okay?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> \u201cThat\u2019s fine. That\u2019s fine.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Alright. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Here\u2019s an interesting thing I\u2019ve watched in the church\u2014not just as a pastor, but even growing up around it\u2014is the church can be the place where people hide the most.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, absolutely!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s so bad to think that\u2019s true; but I mean, what would you say to the person, who is hiding or keeping it to himself? How would you encourage them to say, \u201cYou\u2019ve got to take the risk\u201d?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> So, one thing I would say is: \u201cThere are people in your church who have or are, right now, experiencing what you are experiencing\u2014maybe not on the same degree\/maybe not with the same shape and contours\u2014but they\u2019ve had that experience, or they have had familiarity with it. You are <em>not<\/em> a stranger to them. Your case is not so different that there\u2019s nothing that could be said and nothing could be done for you.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> One of the key truths\u2014and it\u2019s worth repeating again and again: \u201cYou\u2019re not alone. You don\u2019t have to be alone. There is a God who loves you and is present to you, at all times, with open heart and open arms; and you have many in your community, who have open arms if you\u2019ll let them\u201d\u2014right?\u2014\u201cif you\u2019ll let them in.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I would just keep reminding them of sort of basic truths, which are easy to sort of switch off in our head and in our hearts, that: \u201cNobody really cares,\u201d \u201cEverybody is too busy,\u201d \u201cIt\u2019s inconvenient,\u201d \u201cIt\u2019s too hard,\u201d\u2014those are deceptions that are deep, and they can be sustained; but they have to be identified and named as deceptions; because the truth is that God loves us, and He intends for His church to be a community of love and self-giving.<\/p>\n<p>When couples that are going through infertility begin to see that\u2014and begin to <em>feel<\/em> it\u2014they, themselves, find themselves giving back\u2014right?\u2014almost immediately giving of their gifts to others and being fully participating in the life of the church. Those are the kinds of truths that I begin to\u2014they are very basic ones that Paul talks about in his epistles\/that Jesus talks about\u2014how we are in community together. Yes, there are risks; God is with us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; when you said that, I thought of the verse that you just articulated without actually quoting it; but it\u2019s the other side\u2014it\u2019s the couple that maybe an infertile couple comes to and says, \u201cWe\u2019re struggling,\u201d and you\u2019ve been through it. I don\u2019t know if you put this in your book or not\u2014but it\u2019s 2 Corinthians 1:3: \u201cBlessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and the God of all comfort\u201d\u2014here it is\u2014\u201cwho comforts us in all of our afflictions so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any afflictions.\u201d It\u2019s like: \u201cMan, when God has met me in the middle of my thing, God wants to use that in the future. I\u2019ve been there; I\u2019ve experienced God in the middle of it. How can I help somebody else see that God is there with them?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Matthew, I have to ask you this before we let you go. The issues of in vitro fertilization\/reproductive technologies\u2014couples, who are struggling with infertility, they are wrestling with: \u201cIs this okay? Is this biblical? Can I do this?\u2014multiple fertilized eggs.\u201d How do they process that? You know that Christians come to different answers on that. So just give us guidance in terms of how we can think rightly, and make up our own minds, and be responsive to our own conscious in that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> This is a big section in the latter part of the book. I won\u2019t say\u2014rehearse everything I do there\u2014but just refer listeners to that section. What will very often happen, after a couple has been infertile for a year-and-a-half to two years, is they\u2019ll begin to seek the help of a clinician. The fertility expert will give them advice on what to do. Usually, the advice is non-invasive: \u201cLet\u2019s see some blood tests,\u201d\u2014you know?\u2014\u201cWhat\u2019s your exercise regimen? How stressful is work?\u201d When you do those analyses and you break it down, sometimes, those little, very minor lifestyle changes really do help couples.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014make a difference.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Yes; but there are couples\u2014plenty of them, who\u2014that doesn\u2019t work. They are very healthy; they don\u2019t have stress\u2014they\u2019ve tried these things. So then, you can upscale the level of intervention; and as you get further along, a couple may become eligible candidates for artificial reproductive technologies. That\u2019s where the ethics of treatment become a little thornier.<\/p>\n<p>I treat two of them in the book. One is called IUI, and the other is called IVF. I don\u2019t have any strong personal qualms with IUI\u2014it\u2019s a very common treatment.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> What is that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Intrauterine Insemination.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> So, that\u2019s where the sperm is deposited within the woman\u2019s own reproductive organs; that is, the egg is not externalized.<\/p>\n<p>IVF differs in that the specimen sperm and egg are externalized in lab, and the fertilization takes place there. There are more risks involved there, and I call them moral risks and hazards in the book. I end up cautioning against IVF in the book. I do so\u2014I try to do so\u2014and the way that I am now, in a pastorally-sensitive way\u2014because I realize that there are eclectic experiences, and some couples are at different places along the path in that experience.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s important, I think\u2014as we\u2019ve been talking about, as a theme, earlier in our discussion\u2014to keep communication open. I think it\u2019s important for a couple to have clear boundaries and limits of what they\u2019re wanting to do or will do. They may proceed along with a specialist\u2014they may get their advice\u2014but they may also say, \u201cYou know, we\u2019re not going to do that.\u201d It\u2019s important that couples have those sense of limits.<\/p>\n<p>God is, indeed, the giver of life. One of the main ideas I have in the book is that\u2014infertility isn\u2019t a judgment or an indictment\u2014but maybe, one way to think of it is: \u201cGod\u2019s just given you a different way of being a family, and so participating in His life mission.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I think that bigger picture of how <em>we<\/em> are the family of God\u2014eclectic as we are\/different as we are\u2014we don\u2019t have to live up to some American model of a family\/American picture of a family; but one that is biblical and Christian, and one which is faithful to what God has said about us, as individuals\/as a couples. Living from those truths, then, I think, we begin to see how our commitments\u2014what we proceed with and that sort of thing\u2014could flesh itself out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> We talked about the fact that your brother and his wife experienced infertility and, then, experienced a stillbirth after they conceived. What\u2019s their family today?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; update us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Yes; so Patrick and Jennifer have\u2014they adopted a sibling group: Amos and Anna are twins; Colton is four. Then, they have a daughter, who was born around the time that the book came together.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014a biological daughter.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Correct; a biological daughter, Ellie.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> So a family of four.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> A family of four. My brother Patrick and his wife are <em>great<\/em> parents, and they are shepherding their children well. I\u2019m <em>so<\/em> proud of them. They\u2019ve done\u2014they\u2019ve done great.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> You know, I would sort of wrap up the conversation with what I\u2019ve felt like, on every page of your book\u2014you start at the beginning and say\u2014here\u2019s this central idea of what you just articulated\u2014it\u2019s the fact that: \u201cGod\u2019s there, and He may have a different way for you to do family.\u201d I thought\u2014as I read that and as you just said it, I thought: \u201cThat\u2019s true for infertile; it\u2019s true for fertile. It\u2019s true for people that are struggling in financial issues, health issues, relationship issues\u2014you name it. The question we struggle with: \u2018God, are You here? Do You see me? What are You doing?\u2019\u201d Your book so clearly, throughout, the theme is: \u201cHe really is there.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I would just say to our listener, who is going through that dark valley: \u201c\u2018Even though I walk through the valley\u2026Thou art with me.\u2019 I know you can\u2019t feel it at times\u2014I\u2019ve been there; you question it. The truth is\u2014even if you feel it or don\u2019t feel it, God really <em>is<\/em> still there. He\u2019s walking\u2014probably carrying you. Nobody knows the future\u2014we don\u2019t know if you will have a baby or not\u2014but we do know God is there. He will carry you; He will actually use it in some redemptive way if you\u2019ll trust Him. Trust Him!\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s a very clear message from the book, <em>Walking Through Infertility<\/em>, which we\u2019ve got in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center.<\/p>\n<p>Matthew, thank you for being with us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Thanks. It was a great pleasure.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> If our listeners are interested a copy of the book, they can go to FamilyLifeToday.com and order it from us, online; or they can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to order. Again, the website: FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-358-6329\u2014to get a copy of the book, <em>Walking Through Infertility<\/em>, by our guest today, Matthew Arbo.<\/p>\n<p>You know this subject of infertility that we\u2019ve talked about today is a tough but real issue for so many. The president of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, David Robbins, is with us today. You understand a little bit about the toughness of this.<\/p>\n<p><strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; indeed. You know, the thread through the whole conversation today that was encouraging to me was that relationship is the environment through which help and comfort come to those who need it the most. It reminded me of what Henry Cloud said: \u201cThe body of Christ\/God\u2019s people are God\u2019s Plan \u2018A\u2019 for our growth and transformation.\u201d So often, I think we beg God to intervene in some supernatural, miraculous way when His people, with God\u2019s Spirit put inside them, is God\u2019s greatest provision for us that He\u2019s giving to us right now.<\/p>\n<p>If people in your church or in your neighborhood are struggling in life, do they have the relational foundation or relational security to come to you? Do you have people, who you can run to\u2014when hardships that are guaranteed to come and complexities of life that compound\u2014do we have those people <em>we<\/em> can run to?<\/p>\n<p>I think the place that starts is going deeper with the community that we are around <em>today<\/em>. I suggest today\u2014perhaps, a great place to start is simply extending hospitality\u2014bringing over some ice cream, because no one turns away ice cream.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. [Laughter] There is something about loving God and loving others that\u2019s pretty central to what Jesus taught us; isn\u2019t there?<\/p>\n<p><strong>David:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>David:<\/strong> That\u2019s the foundation; yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Thank you, David.<\/p>\n<p>Well, we hope you have a great weekend. I hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend. I hope we don\u2019t take that for granted\u2014right?\u2014after all we\u2019ve been through this spring. Hope you can join us back on Monday as well. We\u2019re going to talk about love. What is the foundation of <em>real<\/em> love? What\u2019s real love all about? I\u2019ll give you a little spoiler here; it\u2019s not what the Hallmark Channel is telling us; okay? The Bible has something much deeper for us to understand and experience, and we\u2019ll talk more about that Monday. I hope you can be with us for that.<\/p>\n<p>I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Have a great weekend. We will see you Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. 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Arbo wants couples who struggle with infertility to know God is with them. He encourages couples to seek out a counselor or pastor to help process their grief and loss.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"<ul>\n<li>Find resources from this podcast at <a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product-category\/radio-resources\/\">shop.familylife.com<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product-category\/past-radio-resources\/\">See resources from our past podcasts.<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Find more content and resources on the <a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/app\/\">FamilyLife's app<\/a>!<\/li>\n<li>Help others find FamilyLife. 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Thanks for joining us. We are spending time in the valley of the shadow this week. I know, when you think about Psalm 23, where it says, \u201cThough I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil,\u201d\u2014when you talk about the subject of infertility\u2014you don\u2019t think, \u201cWell, I\u2019m walking through the valley of the shadow of death\u201d; but there is a very real sense that this is a death-like experience, month in and month out, for couples who are longing for kids. Every time a woman starts her cycle again, there\u2019s a death that just happened.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, that\u2019s very true. I was just leading a Bible study this past fall. There were eight women, and three were struggling with infertility. The pain in the room, that was so present every single week, was <em>hard<\/em>; and it was really hard because, then, there was another woman, who was pregnant. They were celebrating her; but there\u2019s also this pain that they are bearing, that they are always wondering, \u201cWill that ever be me?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting to think\u2014because I\u2019m with those husbands\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014and I\u2019ve got to be honest. Often, those husbands are quiet; they are not coming to a group and talking about it\u2014they\u2019re just hiding. Yet, the pain is just as real. You almost have to draw it out of them to say, \u201cHey, man, what\u2019s going on?\u201d Usually, they are not going to go there unless they\u2019re <em>really<\/em> desperate; so it\u2019s a <em>quiet<\/em> pain in that dark valley.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, this is a question I\u2019ve got for our guest, who I want to introduce to our listeners today. Matthew Arbo joining us, again, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014welcome back, Matthew.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Thanks.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Matthew is a professor of Christian Ethics at Oklahoma Baptist University in Shawnee, Oklahoma. Matthew and his wife have been married since 2007. They have two boys and a third child on the way; right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Correct; yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019ve written a book called <em>Walking Through Infertility<\/em>. In your investigation of this subject\u2014as you talk to people in this experience\u2014do men and women process and deal with infertility in different ways?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Absolutely; women, in general, are more open to talking about their experience with other women\u2014particularly if the other woman has had that experience herself. Men are very, very unlikely to talk about the experience; and there are all kinds of interesting cultural reasons for that. One of the more interesting ones\u2014because it\u2019s so common\u2014is there\u2019s this feeling\/worry about virility; and this long-standing cultural assumption that masculinity is bound up with virility\u2014and that\u2019s a lie.<\/p>\n<p>Who we are, as a gendered person, is bound up in Christ <em>first<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> It says nothing about me, as a man, whether I\u2019m able to have children.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting\u2014men\u2014you know, this whole area of the sexual performance\u2014they\u2019ll joke about it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> You know, it\u2019s something you joke about; and it\u2019s a cover-up, because we\u2019re afraid to talk about it, especially when there is <em>pain<\/em> that they\u2019re going through. So, what do you say to a man, who is unwilling to talk about it?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Admittedly, it can be difficult to know, from the guy\u2019s vantage point, what\u2019s going on; because conversation just typically isn\u2019t about these sorts of subjects.<\/p>\n<p>One thing you can do, I think, is\u2014if there\u2019s enough closeness, and you have enough of a sense of their ordinary day-to-day life, asking questions that kind of coax\u2014that are less sort of like a challenge\/less sort of right to the point\u2014like, \u201cHey, is this your problem?\u201d\u2014more or less, kind of inviting them to talk around it and then encircling in closer to the nature of the hurt or the nature of the difficulty. Does that make sense?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> In a way, also, it kind of relieves the possibility of pride\/of suspicion. Guys can be weird about discussing how they feel about anything, depending on the circumstances; but with this one, in particular, I think there is a real worry about judgment.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, and one of the things that I\u2019m thinking right now is\u2014as a married couple, as you\u2019re struggling with this topic, I\u2019m imagining that it would be hard to even talk to each other. Does that ever come into play that you\u2019ve heard of\u2014or even your brother and your sister-in-law?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Absolutely; for all sorts of very interesting reasons. The thing I think I hear most about is\u2014not just the breakdowns of communication\u2014but then kind of islanding; you know? They\u2019re just becoming their own independent universes, and it doesn\u2019t take very long before the other person almost becomes kind of an object of resentment. There\u2019s not even a sense of, like, <em>how<\/em> to begin talking anymore. At that point, things are very dangerous and on very tumultuous ground.<\/p>\n<p>Hopefully, if this couple is in the church, their pastors are alerted that there are problems. You know, maybe, they can intervene; but what I tend to see with couples\u2014and hear from couples\u2014is this sense of profound isolation\u2014of not even knowing how to begin to have this hurtful, difficult conversation without it becoming about the blame, about fault, about explanations. It\u2019s just really difficult to forebear.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Dave and Ann are going to be able to finish this sentence very easily. The natural drift in every marriage is\u2014what? [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know, Bob. I\u2019ll have to think about that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014toward isolation\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and, especially, in this circumstance.<\/p>\n<p>If we were experiencing this, for me to come to you, Dave, and to say: \u201cHow are you feeling? Tell me the things that you are feeling, right now, about all that\u2019s going on with us,\u201d would that be scary for you? Because like\u2014I say that a lot to him.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Welcome to our date nights, right there. [Laughter] We\u2019ll go out on a date\u2014and I\u2019m not kidding; I\u2019m a talker\u2014you know, I come home every day from work\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> He\u2019s <em>great<\/em> at communicating details of the day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014she loves this\u2014I give her details: \u201cHere\u2019s what\u2019s going on.\u201d She just loves it. Then we\u2019ll go out on a date; and she\u2019ll say, \u201cLet\u2019s talk about us,\u201d and I just clam up.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Does he say, \u201cI don\u2019t want to talk about that\u201d?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> He just fumbles his way around.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> \u201cWe\u2019re good. We\u2019re good.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s what I\u2019m wondering. If in this circumstance\u2014if a couple is really struggling\u2014would it be bad for one of\u2014either the husband or the wife\u2014to say: \u201cHoney, how are you?\u2014like tell me truthfully: What are you going through? What\u2019s going on in your mind? How are you feeling?\u201d Is that a bad question to ask?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> No; it\u2019s essential. I mean, that\u2019s the kind of question that the couple needs at that moment. I mean, that\u2019s like a lifebuoy if we\u2019re talking about their total isolation\u2014opening up, just in an initial way\u2014just an invitation to communicate about how things are going: \u201cWhat are you <em>feeling<\/em> in that moment?\u201d Then, just the actual externalizing of the feeling: \u201cI\u2019m feeling angry,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m really angry, and I\u2019m really upset,\u201d \u201cI feel like you don\u2019t care,\u201d\u2014you know, all this stuff that the other person, of course, didn\u2019t know.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> The other person had <em>no<\/em> idea that they felt this way.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I would guess it\u2019s not only just with your spouse. A guy\u2014and I would say to the men out there: \u201cYou need a guy\u2026\u201d \/ women: \u201cYou need a woman that you can feel safe enough with.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I can remember\u2014when Ann\u2019s sister was struggling and ended up dying from lung cancer\u2014and Ann was down, taking care of her often, out of her home\u2014I remember a buddy coming over\u2014this was months in. We\u2019re literally in my driveway, shooting baskets. I look back\u2014it\u2019s like that opened up my heart\u2014he\u2019s not looking me in the face; we\u2019re just shooting balls.<\/p>\n<p>He just said to me\u2014he goes, \u201cHow you doing?\u201d I broke down\u2014just that question from a trusted friend with no judgment\/really no agenda: \u201cI\u2019m your friend. I\u2019m here. How are you doing?\u201d\u00a0 I remember sitting on my driveway and: \u201cMan, I\u2019m struggling. This is really hard, watching my sister-in-law die\/watching my wife\u2019s best friend.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But having that friend there\u2014I just want to say to every guy, \u201cYou need that guy.\u201d Why did I have that guy? I pursued him years ago. He pursued me. It wasn\u2019t I waited. I went after it. Ann\u2019s got those, and I know Bob has in his life. It\u2019s like\u2014you\u2019ve got to go after that guy. 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They can lean on these people, and they have this sort of net that will uphold them in their difficulty.<\/p>\n<p>If they <em>do not<\/em> have that community\u2014if they, say, have withdrawn themselves from the church\u2014then the isolation becomes compounded.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Not only do they not have each other, they have no one. They, maybe have a family member or some other friend from college\u2014I mean, who knows\u2014but the church is a community of reciprocity. I mention this in the book\u2014and I really do mean it\u2014that the church also needs infertile couples. It needs <em>all<\/em> kinds. It needs fertile couples\/infertile couples; its single people\u2014right?\u2014married couples. That\u2019s the nature of the church\u2014we\u2019re a very eclectic crew. It turns out that there are heaps of people in the church that want to be there for people. There are a lot of people that really do have the open hearts of love, and they want to come right alongside.<\/p>\n<p>Statistics\u2014the more recent ones\u2014suggest that about one in ten couples will experience some form of infertility. I mean, you take up stock of your own church, and you can get a pretty good idea about how many couples in a church would have gone through that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m thinking of friends I know who I know have struggled with this issue. The thing that\u2019s always been in the back of my mind, when I see them\u2014I mean, it\u2019s almost like a little buzzer goes off\u2014the thing I know about them is: \u201cThey are dealing with infertility\u201d; but you don\u2019t want to, every time you see them, say: \u201cSo, anything happening? What\u2019s going on? How\u2019s\u2014what\u2019s this month like?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>How do you know\u2014to try to be a comfort and a friend\u2014how do you know when to bring it up, how to bring it up, if to bring it up? How do you gauge that with somebody?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> As a congregant\u2014that is non-pastoral staff, say\u2014you need to have that trust there\u2014at least, some familiarity. Actually, I think venue matters; you know? How many ears are listening in?\u2014you know\u2014where are you?\u2014have a sense of space.<\/p>\n<p>For pastors, though\u2014a pastor that is shepherding their flock well knows which couples have had that before; and they\u2019ll also know who to introduce to [whom]. They\u2019ll know: \u201cWell, this couple\u2014they\u2019ve just experienced their first miscarriage\u201d; and they know that this other couple had also experienced a miscarriage.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Put them together.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> \u201cDo you want to talk?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s good pastoral ministry.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> They don\u2019t, themselves, have to say everything there is to say about a miscarriage; but they <em>know<\/em> there is love there.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> That was what I was wondering. Like, if you\u2019ve gone through this, is that a ministry that God could be calling you into? And even as a pastor, are there ministries that you can pull people in, who are really struggling? I think that would be beautiful, Pastor Dave. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I was just going to say, as a pastor\u2014thank you, honey\u2014so often, a couple or a person will come up to me; and they think I\u2019m the person they need to talk to. As I hear their story\u2014like it could be infertility\u2014I\u2019m doing exactly what you said, \u201cOh, hey, I\u2019ve got a couple.\u201d They look at me like: \u201cNo, no, no, no. I want <em>you<\/em>.\u201d The only reason they\u2019re saying that is they just heard me speak; they can connect in some way.<\/p>\n<p>Yet, when they follow through and go, \u201cOkay; I\u2019m going to meet with this couple,\u201d\u2014guess what I hear later?\u2014\u201cThat was the perfect\u2014thank you for putting me there.\u201d I\u2019m like: \u201cYes; you wouldn\u2019t believe me; but that is the body of Christ.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> That is what God has put us all together to do\u2014to minister to one another. So, has that been your experience?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Oh, yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> You\u2019ve seen that happen?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Yes; absolutely; yes. There can be the commendation, too, in conversation that: \u201cYou know, open yourself up to receive from people. That feels really risky, given what you\u2019re going through.\u201d Keep imploring it, and keep praying for them. It\u2019s there; you know? There is a place in the human heart to receive the love that another person has. Everybody wants to be loved\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> \u2014and to receive love. They don\u2019t want\u2014no one wants to close themselves off to it; there\u2019s other stuff going on\u2014like, when you read the passage\u2014about just sticking with it\u2014just sort of coming back\/dropping by\u2014and we\u2019ve done this before\u2014we\u2019ve just taken people ice cream; you know? \u201cWe don\u2019t want to come in. We just wanted to bring you same Halo,\u201d\u2014or whatever it is.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Who doesn\u2019t want that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Nobody has ever said, \u201cYou know, get out here with that.\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cBring me H\u00e4agen-Dazs\u2014not Halo; okay?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> \u201cThat\u2019s fine. That\u2019s fine.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Alright. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Here\u2019s an interesting thing I\u2019ve watched in the church\u2014not just as a pastor, but even growing up around it\u2014is the church can be the place where people hide the most.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, absolutely!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s so bad to think that\u2019s true; but I mean, what would you say to the person, who is hiding or keeping it to himself? How would you encourage them to say, \u201cYou\u2019ve got to take the risk\u201d?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> So, one thing I would say is: \u201cThere are people in your church who have or are, right now, experiencing what you are experiencing\u2014maybe not on the same degree\/maybe not with the same shape and contours\u2014but they\u2019ve had that experience, or they have had familiarity with it. You are <em>not<\/em> a stranger to them. Your case is not so different that there\u2019s nothing that could be said and nothing could be done for you.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> One of the key truths\u2014and it\u2019s worth repeating again and again: \u201cYou\u2019re not alone. You don\u2019t have to be alone. There is a God who loves you and is present to you, at all times, with open heart and open arms; and you have many in your community, who have open arms if you\u2019ll let them\u201d\u2014right?\u2014\u201cif you\u2019ll let them in.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I would just keep reminding them of sort of basic truths, which are easy to sort of switch off in our head and in our hearts, that: \u201cNobody really cares,\u201d \u201cEverybody is too busy,\u201d \u201cIt\u2019s inconvenient,\u201d \u201cIt\u2019s too hard,\u201d\u2014those are deceptions that are deep, and they can be sustained; but they have to be identified and named as deceptions; because the truth is that God loves us, and He intends for His church to be a community of love and self-giving.<\/p>\n<p>When couples that are going through infertility begin to see that\u2014and begin to <em>feel<\/em> it\u2014they, themselves, find themselves giving back\u2014right?\u2014almost immediately giving of their gifts to others and being fully participating in the life of the church. Those are the kinds of truths that I begin to\u2014they are very basic ones that Paul talks about in his epistles\/that Jesus talks about\u2014how we are in community together. Yes, there are risks; God is with us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; when you said that, I thought of the verse that you just articulated without actually quoting it; but it\u2019s the other side\u2014it\u2019s the couple that maybe an infertile couple comes to and says, \u201cWe\u2019re struggling,\u201d and you\u2019ve been through it. I don\u2019t know if you put this in your book or not\u2014but it\u2019s 2 Corinthians 1:3: \u201cBlessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and the God of all comfort\u201d\u2014here it is\u2014\u201cwho comforts us in all of our afflictions so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any afflictions.\u201d It\u2019s like: \u201cMan, when God has met me in the middle of my thing, God wants to use that in the future. I\u2019ve been there; I\u2019ve experienced God in the middle of it. How can I help somebody else see that God is there with them?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Matthew, I have to ask you this before we let you go. The issues of in vitro fertilization\/reproductive technologies\u2014couples, who are struggling with infertility, they are wrestling with: \u201cIs this okay? Is this biblical? Can I do this?\u2014multiple fertilized eggs.\u201d How do they process that? You know that Christians come to different answers on that. So just give us guidance in terms of how we can think rightly, and make up our own minds, and be responsive to our own conscious in that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> This is a big section in the latter part of the book. I won\u2019t say\u2014rehearse everything I do there\u2014but just refer listeners to that section. What will very often happen, after a couple has been infertile for a year-and-a-half to two years, is they\u2019ll begin to seek the help of a clinician. The fertility expert will give them advice on what to do. Usually, the advice is non-invasive: \u201cLet\u2019s see some blood tests,\u201d\u2014you know?\u2014\u201cWhat\u2019s your exercise regimen? How stressful is work?\u201d When you do those analyses and you break it down, sometimes, those little, very minor lifestyle changes really do help couples.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014make a difference.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Yes; but there are couples\u2014plenty of them, who\u2014that doesn\u2019t work. They are very healthy; they don\u2019t have stress\u2014they\u2019ve tried these things. So then, you can upscale the level of intervention; and as you get further along, a couple may become eligible candidates for artificial reproductive technologies. That\u2019s where the ethics of treatment become a little thornier.<\/p>\n<p>I treat two of them in the book. One is called IUI, and the other is called IVF. I don\u2019t have any strong personal qualms with IUI\u2014it\u2019s a very common treatment.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> What is that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Intrauterine Insemination.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> So, that\u2019s where the sperm is deposited within the woman\u2019s own reproductive organs; that is, the egg is not externalized.<\/p>\n<p>IVF differs in that the specimen sperm and egg are externalized in lab, and the fertilization takes place there. There are more risks involved there, and I call them moral risks and hazards in the book. I end up cautioning against IVF in the book. I do so\u2014I try to do so\u2014and the way that I am now, in a pastorally-sensitive way\u2014because I realize that there are eclectic experiences, and some couples are at different places along the path in that experience.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s important, I think\u2014as we\u2019ve been talking about, as a theme, earlier in our discussion\u2014to keep communication open. I think it\u2019s important for a couple to have clear boundaries and limits of what they\u2019re wanting to do or will do. They may proceed along with a specialist\u2014they may get their advice\u2014but they may also say, \u201cYou know, we\u2019re not going to do that.\u201d It\u2019s important that couples have those sense of limits.<\/p>\n<p>God is, indeed, the giver of life. One of the main ideas I have in the book is that\u2014infertility isn\u2019t a judgment or an indictment\u2014but maybe, one way to think of it is: \u201cGod\u2019s just given you a different way of being a family, and so participating in His life mission.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I think that bigger picture of how <em>we<\/em> are the family of God\u2014eclectic as we are\/different as we are\u2014we don\u2019t have to live up to some American model of a family\/American picture of a family; but one that is biblical and Christian, and one which is faithful to what God has said about us, as individuals\/as a couples. Living from those truths, then, I think, we begin to see how our commitments\u2014what we proceed with and that sort of thing\u2014could flesh itself out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> We talked about the fact that your brother and his wife experienced infertility and, then, experienced a stillbirth after they conceived. What\u2019s their family today?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; update us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Yes; so Patrick and Jennifer have\u2014they adopted a sibling group: Amos and Anna are twins; Colton is four. Then, they have a daughter, who was born around the time that the book came together.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014a biological daughter.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Correct; a biological daughter, Ellie.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> So a family of four.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> A family of four. My brother Patrick and his wife are <em>great<\/em> parents, and they are shepherding their children well. I\u2019m <em>so<\/em> proud of them. They\u2019ve done\u2014they\u2019ve done great.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> You know, I would sort of wrap up the conversation with what I\u2019ve felt like, on every page of your book\u2014you start at the beginning and say\u2014here\u2019s this central idea of what you just articulated\u2014it\u2019s the fact that: \u201cGod\u2019s there, and He may have a different way for you to do family.\u201d I thought\u2014as I read that and as you just said it, I thought: \u201cThat\u2019s true for infertile; it\u2019s true for fertile. It\u2019s true for people that are struggling in financial issues, health issues, relationship issues\u2014you name it. The question we struggle with: \u2018God, are You here? Do You see me? What are You doing?\u2019\u201d Your book so clearly, throughout, the theme is: \u201cHe really is there.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I would just say to our listener, who is going through that dark valley: \u201c\u2018Even though I walk through the valley\u2026Thou art with me.\u2019 I know you can\u2019t feel it at times\u2014I\u2019ve been there; you question it. The truth is\u2014even if you feel it or don\u2019t feel it, God really <em>is<\/em> still there. He\u2019s walking\u2014probably carrying you. Nobody knows the future\u2014we don\u2019t know if you will have a baby or not\u2014but we do know God is there. He will carry you; He will actually use it in some redemptive way if you\u2019ll trust Him. Trust Him!\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s a very clear message from the book, <em>Walking Through Infertility<\/em>, which we\u2019ve got in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center.<\/p>\n<p>Matthew, thank you for being with us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew:<\/strong> Thanks. It was a great pleasure.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> If our listeners are interested a copy of the book, they can go to FamilyLifeToday.com and order it from us, online; or they can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to order. Again, the website: FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-358-6329\u2014to get a copy of the book, <em>Walking Through Infertility<\/em>, by our guest today, Matthew Arbo.<\/p>\n<p>You know this subject of infertility that we\u2019ve talked about today is a tough but real issue for so many. The president of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, David Robbins, is with us today. You understand a little bit about the toughness of this.<\/p>\n<p><strong>David:<\/strong> Yes; indeed. You know, the thread through the whole conversation today that was encouraging to me was that relationship is the environment through which help and comfort come to those who need it the most. It reminded me of what Henry Cloud said: \u201cThe body of Christ\/God\u2019s people are God\u2019s Plan \u2018A\u2019 for our growth and transformation.\u201d So often, I think we beg God to intervene in some supernatural, miraculous way when His people, with God\u2019s Spirit put inside them, is God\u2019s greatest provision for us that He\u2019s giving to us right now.<\/p>\n<p>If people in your church or in your neighborhood are struggling in life, do they have the relational foundation or relational security to come to you? Do you have people, who you can run to\u2014when hardships that are guaranteed to come and complexities of life that compound\u2014do we have those people <em>we<\/em> can run to?<\/p>\n<p>I think the place that starts is going deeper with the community that we are around <em>today<\/em>. I suggest today\u2014perhaps, a great place to start is simply extending hospitality\u2014bringing over some ice cream, because no one turns away ice cream.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. [Laughter] There is something about loving God and loving others that\u2019s pretty central to what Jesus taught us; isn\u2019t there?<\/p>\n<p><strong>David:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>David:<\/strong> That\u2019s the foundation; yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Thank you, David.<\/p>\n<p>Well, we hope you have a great weekend. I hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend. I hope we don\u2019t take that for granted\u2014right?\u2014after all we\u2019ve been through this spring. Hope you can join us back on Monday as well. We\u2019re going to talk about love. What is the foundation of <em>real<\/em> love? What\u2019s real love all about? I\u2019ll give you a little spoiler here; it\u2019s not what the Hallmark Channel is telling us; okay? The Bible has something much deeper for us to understand and experience, and we\u2019ll talk more about that Monday. I hope you can be with us for that.<\/p>\n<p>I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Have a great weekend. We will see you Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. 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