{"id":306213,"date":"2020-06-27T07:00:05","date_gmt":"2020-06-27T11:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/how-to-lead-your-family-during-a-move\/"},"modified":"2020-06-27T07:00:05","modified_gmt":"2020-06-27T11:00:05","slug":"how-to-lead-your-family-during-a-move","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-this-week\/how-to-lead-your-family-during-a-move\/","title":{"rendered":"How to Lead Your Family During a Move"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Transitions are hard, as is any kind of major change. Especially if it involves moving. 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Maybe that\u2019s you; maybe you\u2019re packing a box right now as I speak. Voddie Baucham says there are a few things that you need to be aware of as you move. Here\u2019s Voddie.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Voddie:<\/strong> I need to be reminded to recognize and respect the grieving process. We made the decision in August; we went through all of those steps\u2014there was confirmation from all these different areas\u2014and we are getting ready to go; but there\u2019s grieving going on. My wife is experiencing some grieving; my children are experiencing some grieving; the ones who are staying and the ones who are going are experiencing some grieving. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI need to recognize and respect that grieving process; and I need to <em>shepherd<\/em> my family through the grieving process, and not just say, \u201cSuck it up! Let\u2019s go.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So whether you\u2019re moving to Africa or across town, we\u2019re going to talk about change, and transitions, and how to make peace with all of that on this edition of <em>FamilyLife This Week. <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week. <\/em>I\u2019m Michelle Hill. You know, change brings stress, even in the happiest of change. Maybe it\u2019s a new baby; maybe it\u2019s a new job; but change brings stress! Maybe that stress is coming because you\u2019re moving right now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, you\u2019re packing up those boxes; you\u2019re packing up those memories. A while back, I was leaving the home that I had lived in when I fostered a couple of young children. While they weren\u2019t with me at that time, when I was packing up the boxes, I found fingerprints on the windows; and the memories came <em>flooding<\/em> back. It was hard for me to leave that home that I had made there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr maybe you\u2019re packing because of an exciting and new adventure, and God answered your prayers\u2014and your spouse got the promotion\u2014that you\u2019ve been praying for, for years! You know, a new grocery store, a new park to play in, new neighbors\u2014you <em>really<\/em> love the old ones! The sun just doesn\u2019t shine in the windows of your [new] living room quite the same.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tToday, we\u2019re going to talk about those feelings of moving. We\u2019re going to hear from Voddie Baucham a little bit later on. Voddie had to move his family to Africa, and that\u2019s quite the trip! He has some <em>great<\/em> advice to give; but first, I wanted to talk with my new friend, Gina Butz, who\u2019s a speaker and author. She\u2019s on staff with Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and so she has had to travel all over the states\u2014let\u2019s say, not just travel\u2014but <em>move<\/em> inside the States and around the world. I thought she\u2019d have some <em>great<\/em> insight for those who might be packing up those homes right now and are moving to a new home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI asked Gina about change and categories for change. She said there are three main categories. Here\u2019s my conversation with Gina Butz.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> I think of three main categories: In my mind, I think of vocational changes or the primary way that you spend your time; I think of relational changes\u2014you know, you get married, or a friend gets married, or you become a parent, or you lose someone\u2014or there are also geographical changes, you know?\u2014you\u2019re picking up and moving to another city or another country. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe thing about that is that it\u2019s <em>rare<\/em> that you would do one of those in isolation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> You know, if you make a vocational change, it impacts your relationships; or it might mean that you have to make a geographical change. There\u2019s always this complexity to change, because it\u2019s not just an isolated thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s difficult because you may respond differently: you may really <em>love<\/em> this new job; but it\u2019s difficult, because it means it has changed your relationships. Or you may really want to move to that new city; but you don\u2019t know anyone there, or the job ends up not being what you wanted. There are just different aspects you have to deal with at the same time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> And that\u2019s hard to deal with those different aspects at the same time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I think of the quote that you have in your book, where your son, I feel, summed it up best when he said, \u201cMy heart is tired because of all the new things.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So talk to us about what that was like when you sat down with your little boy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Oh, you know, it\u2019s so funny. It\u2019s like, \u201cOut of the mouths of babes,\u201d right? It was such a helpful moment for <em>me<\/em>; because I think, often, when we\u2019re in change, we shift into this functional mode, where we just have to get things done; right?! The boxes have to get unpacked; we have to figure out the new job; we have to figure out the new role. Often, we don\u2019t give ourselves the space to really sit down and assess how we\u2019re feeling about it\/how it\u2019s impacting us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat comment from my son was just a wake-up call for me; because I was in the same place. I hadn\u2019t realized it; because I was trying to help them figure out the new homeschool co-op, and I was figuring out where the new grocery store was. It was really helpful for me to just stop, and take a beat, and say: \u201cOkay, yes! What has been new for me this week?\u201d When I catalogued it, it was <em>so much<\/em>; and I thought, \u201cWell, no wonder!\u201d I think, so often in change, you have to stop and go, \u201cOh, no wonder!\u201d\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> \u2014right?\u2014\u201cNo wonder I feel like this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> And you know, that just opens us up to grace, and go: \u201cOkay; of course, I feel like this,\u201d \u201cOf course, this is overwhelming; and I\u2019m tired.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I moved recently into the new house that I\u2019m in right now. I love, love my house; I <em>love<\/em> my neighborhood; but I have noticed there\u2019s an extra stress, because it has added to my commute time. I had to figure out new grocery stores; I had to figure out where my post office is, where my bank is\u2014whereas\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014it <em>added<\/em> this extra level of stress.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It was hard. I\u2019m going to say, even though I loved it, it was hard to navigate through that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes, and I think one of the things about that is that there\u2019s so much mental and emotional energy that goes to adjusting to a change that will <em>never<\/em> show up on paper. It\u2019s not like, \u201cToday, I spent this hour adjusting to my new life\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> But we feel it. It\u2019s sort of like this underlying drain that\u2019s happening; and then we\u2019re like, \u201cWhy am I so tired?\u201d It\u2019s because we can\u2019t\/we can\u2019t\u2014it\u2019s not tangible\u2014that drain. And so I think that\u2019s why we need so much to just stop and be aware of how we\u2019re doing, and just recognize what all has shifted, and how we\u2019re doing with that, and to give ourselves grace. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it\u2019s difficult to do that alone. You know, I think that\u2019s why it\u2019s so important for us to have people that we can be processing with, who can kind of normalize things for us, and say, \u201cWell, no wonder you feel that way; because look at everything that\u2019s happened.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So how do we process through that? How do we be honest?\u2014because normally, as people go through a move\u2014whether it\u2019s across the country or whether it\u2019s just across town; or if they have a new promotion; or even, in your book, you were talking about marriage and how hard that was, even though it\u2019s exciting and new; and it\u2019s what you\u2019ve always wanted\u2014how do we put words to that?\u2014to what we\u2019re feeling inside? Because there is what we\u2019ve been talking about\u2014there\u2019s that angst inside\u2014how do we put words to that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> You know, I think one of the things that\u2019s been really encouraging to me is looking at the example of David in the Psalms, because he has this amazing balance of a complete honesty before God. You know, he pours his heart out: he accuses God; he rages against God; but then it\u2019s like he always comes back to: \u201cBut I know who You are; I know who You say I am.\u201d It\u2019s like he grounds himself in the Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think we really can\u2019t just look at one side or the other. I think there\u2019s a temptation, in transition, to think, \u201cThe way I\u2019ll get through this is that I\u2019ll just focus on the positive\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> But then there\u2019s so much, that is really hard, that we do need to acknowledge. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think we don\u2019t do that alone; we do that with the Lord. I think just having those times, where we sit with Him and say, \u201cHere\u2019s my honest heart, God.\u201d You know, Scripture says that all our longings lie open before Him; our sighing is not hidden from Him. He wants to hear all of that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then also, at the same time, I think two practices that have really helped me have been the practices of gratitude and worship. You know, that I can pour out my heart honestly\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> \u2014to name things for what they are, without judgment, just, \u201cThis is what\u2019s true; it\u2019s hard\u201d\u2014right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> But God is still God; He is God of this situation. He is still my God in this new season; and I will ask Him to show me: \u201cWhat can I choose to be grateful for as I also acknowledge what is difficult?\u201d It is both\/and.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes; what I appreciate about you, and how you have really just put words to all that you\u2019ve lived through and all that you have learned through transitions, is the fact that you have really relied hard on God. Your husband\u2019s always been a part of it; but you\u2019ve painted a picture of what it really looks like to say, \u201cOkay, God, You are my Rock. My husband\u2019s here, and he\u2019s helping me through it. My family\u2019s here, and they\u2019re helping me through it; but God, You are my Rock.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat is so important, because I think so many times, we look to others. We see that it is good that man is not alone, and we look to others; but we don\u2019t always just go, \u201cOkay, God, You are it!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u201cI\u2019m walking through this with You.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes; and I think that\u2019s one of the things, you know, that often we\u2014like I said earlier\u2014we want to focus on the positives. I think, in part, because we don\u2019t have a lot of practice walking through difficult things; and it\u2019s scary to walk through difficult things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, for me, one of the things that God has shown me in transition is how deeply present He is in those difficult things. When we avoid them, I think we\u2019re avoiding an experience of Him. We\u2019re avoiding an opportunity to let Him minister to us in deep ways, and to be our comfort, and our strength, and our solid place. You know, that\u2019s His desire for us, and I think that\u2019s been such a gift. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLike you said, I\u2019m so grateful that God has put people in my life, who listen well to me and have helped me walk through transition; but the reality is that, at the end of the day, ultimately, it is God who is my solid place. Though He may provide that through other people sometimes, it\u2019s still Him; He\u2019s still the One ministering through them. So I think every transition is this opportunity to remember: \u201cGod is the solid ground that I\u2019m always looking for.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> While I may find it out in the world sometimes, ultimately, He is the One that I can count on the most; so transition really is a gift in that way. We can meet God in really hard places, and see that He\u2019s enough.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> A great reminder from Gina that God is enough. He is enough to get you through this next move or whatever transition that you\u2019re walking through right now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, we need to take a break. When we come back, I\u2019m going to talk with Gina about the loss of physical connectedness with those we leave behind. Stay tuned; we\u2019ll be back in two minutes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Radio Station Spot Break]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle: <\/strong>Welcome back to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I'm Michelle Hill. I am talking with my new friend, Gina Butz, today. She is the author of a book called <em>Making Peace with Change<\/em>. She is helping us understand and just to figure out how to walk through the transition of moving and the transition of change. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, you lost your favorite grocery story, your favorite bike path, your favorite playground, your favorite <em>person<\/em>; so I explored with Gina just what that means about the loss of physical presence. Here\u2019s more of our conversation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> When we\u2019re walking through transitions, sometimes we don\u2019t have those physical connections that we used to have\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014whether it\u2019s because we have moved, or whether it\u2019s because we have changed jobs, or whether it\u2019s because\u2014well, I think of an example of yours, when you had a baby. You had to pull back from that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> How do we navigate through that hardship?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes, yes; it\u2019s so true. One of the things that I think\/one of the greatest losses that we often incur in transition is that loss of connection, and it\u2019s at the moment when we most need it. You know, it\u2019s like, \u201cI\u2019ve moved to this new city, and I don\u2019t know anybody!\u201d But I think there\u2019s also an opportunity in that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, we can get this idea like loneliness is this thing that should be avoided at all costs; but I think loneliness really can teach us <em>a lot<\/em>. I think we need to open ourselves up to befriending that idea that, in our loneliness, it uncovers the things that have become maybe too important to us\/things that we\u2019re holding onto for life, apart from God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, it\u2019s that opportunity to come back and reconnect with <em>Him<\/em> and sync into our relationship with Him. I think, in that, there\u2019s also an opportunity to connect to the grief of our losses. That\u2019s something that I think is important; but then, at the same time, I think, as we express gratitude for those things, it opens us up to new things God is providing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know for me, I\u2019ve entered into a new relationship with a couple of women in this time that I was not expecting at all! You know, it\u2019s not even necessarily because of this situation, but just that you don\u2019t know what God\u2019s going to bring from season to season. And even though a season has loss, it doesn\u2019t mean that God isn\u2019t going to bring you good things out of that season.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes; why do you think that is?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> You know, I think transition\u2014you know, we use the analogy of things being uprooted\u2014right? And when you uproot something, the roots are exposed. I think we\u2019re wired for rootedness; we\u2019re wired to be grounded in something. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there are times when God uses transition to show us that we\u2019ve been trying to sink our roots into things that actually aren\u2019t solid. They\u2019re <em>good<\/em> things\u2014you know, relationships, our vocation, the place where [we live]\u2014these are all <em>good <\/em>things\/good gifts that God gives us, but they are <em>not<\/em> solid ground.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You know, it\u2019s summertime now; and I am watching a lot of my friends move. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right now, with FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, there are a lot of my friends moving down to our new place of headquarters. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> There\u2019s a lot of uprooted-ness; there\u2019s a lot of sadness and leaving\u2014there\u2019s a lot of that. What kind of words would you have to encourage somebody, who\u2019s in the process of moving right now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> You know, what that reminds me of is when we moved back from overseas. We were the beginning of a flood of people who left our city; there were 12 families that left our city within a year. I had friends, who were still there; and they said\/by the end of the year they said, \u201cWe need t-shirts that say, \u2018I survived the Exodus.\u2019\u201d [Laughter] You know, it just\u2014I remember them talking about how hard it was to stay emotionally engaged, because to say goodbye to yet another family\/to yet another friend is exhausting. It\u2019s <em>really<\/em> hard. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy encouragement would be to stay engaged as much as you can. There\u2019s always a temptation, in a situation like that, to diminish your grief by telling yourself: \u201cYou know, maybe we weren\u2019t that close,\u201d\u2014right?\u2014\u201cMaybe it\u2019s not that big of a deal.\u201d We want to minimize it, because it\u2019s painful. I would just encourage people to pay attention to: \u201cHow is your heart responding?\u201d It is exhausting; it does get tiring to say goodbye; but again, I think the more we are willing to engage in that, it really sets the course for how we engage our hearts in anything in the future. You know, I think, if we shut ourselves down to grief, we also shut ourselves down to joy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I guess it\u2019s okay to take naps during this time and to sleep a little longer, because our minds are a little\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Oh, for sure! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014they\u2019re just exhausted! And <em>we\u2019re<\/em> exhausted.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> And so we need to give each other, and ourselves, grace\/extra grace during this time of moving and transitions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes, yes; I think it\u2019s important to keep tabs on how we\u2019re doing emotionally\/how the people around us are doing\u2014and to be honest with each other\u2014encourage each other. There are going to be some days when one of you is up and one of you is down, and vice versa. None of us go through a transition the same way, even if we\u2019re in the same transition. Yes, absolutely\u2014giving each other grace to be where we are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Those are good words. Gina, thank you so much for joining me today and sharing with us just how to navigate change, and navigate moving, and all the good things and <em>hard<\/em> things. Thank you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> You\u2019re welcome. Thanks for having me!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> What a <em>refreshing<\/em> conversation to hear: \u201cIt\u2019s okay! Take it to God\u2014take all those fears\/all those feelings\u2014take it to God and drop it at His feet.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy friend, Voddie Baucham, a few years ago, packed up his family and moved to Africa; because he believed that was where God was calling him. However, his wife didn\u2019t hear those same words and that same calling from God at the same time, and Voddie had to learn how to care for his wife and lead his family during this transition. Here\u2019s Voddie Baucham.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Recorded Message]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Voddie:<\/strong> I need to be reminded to recognize and respect the grieving process. I mean, as a man, \u201cI\u2019m pretty much done; great.\u201d We made the decision in August; we went through all of those steps\u2014there was confirmation from all these different areas\u2014and we are getting ready to go; but there\u2019s grieving going on. My wife is experiencing some grieving; my children are experiencing some grieving. The ones who are staying and the ones who are going are experiencing some grieving. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI need to recognize and respect that grieving process. I need to <em>shepherd<\/em> my family through the grieving process, and not just say, \u201cSuck it up! Let\u2019s go.\u201d I need to <em>shepherd<\/em> my family through this grieving process.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSecondly, I need to communicate more than I <em>think<\/em> I need to communicate. There\u2019s a whole lot of times, when I <em>think<\/em> something to myself, like, \u201cOkay, here\u2019s an obstacle that we have to overcome.\u201d I recognize that obstacle, and I make a plan for that obstacle to be overcome; and I\u2019m like, \u201cWe\u2019re good!\u201d Bridget is going, \u201cCan I\/can I\u2014can I know some of that?\u201d [Laughter] I need to communicate those things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI need to recognize that this is a <em>huge <\/em>move\u2014and that I\u2019m asking a lot\u2014this is a big ask right here! It really is! It\u2019s a big ask, and I need to be <em>clear<\/em>\u2014painstakingly clear\/<em>redundantly<\/em> clear\u2014I need to be clear again, and again, and again about this; because this is a big ask. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThirdly, I need to be reminded to take everything off my wife\u2019s plate that I can; because again, this is a big ask. There\u2019s a lot of <em>weight<\/em> on her as she contemplates leaving this nest. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFourth, I need to provide a safe, secure home for my family. They need to <em>know<\/em> that that\u2019s what I\u2019m providing. I\u2019m not Indiana Jones. [Laughter] If it were just me, I could just go live anywhere\/do anything; you know, \u201cWe\u2019re good,\u201d\u2014right? But it\u2019s <em>not<\/em> just me; and so it\u2019s incumbent upon <em>me<\/em> to communicate to <em>her<\/em> and to <em>them<\/em>, \u201cI am going to take care of your safety and your security.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then, finally, I have to remind them again and again why we\u2019re doing what we\u2019re doing. I have to continue to root and ground my family in a gospel-centered understanding of why we\u2019re doing what we\u2019re doing\u2014that this is about Christ and the fullness of the reward for which He died; that this is about the gospel being more significant and more important than any of us, and even all of us together; that this is about kingdom service above anything else. While all these other things are important, ultimately, this is what it boils down to. That reminder has to come again, and again, and again, and again. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we appreciate encouragement from the outside. We\u2019re <em>grateful<\/em> for all of you who have encouraged us from the outside; we\u2019re thankful for that! But here\u2019s where the rubber meets the road\u2014we\u2019re encouraged from the outside\u2014and then we go home, and a \u201cFor Sale\u201d sign goes up; and there\u2019s nobody to pat us on the back and go, \u201cI\u2019m so proud of you guys!\u201d It\u2019s just us going: \u201cThis is everything; this is the last 15 years. This is the home that, you know, every one of the last seven children came home to. This is our country; our country that we love. I\u2019m a patriot; I <em>love<\/em> my country.\u201d Nevertheless, my country is not my kingdom; and so we have to be reminded again, and again, and again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo for you\u2014whomever you are, and wherever you are, and whatever constitutes that mission side of your life\u2014whether it is: \u201cRight now, God has called us to this mission of raising, training, evangelizing, and discipling these children\/or this child that God has given us!\u201d\u2014whether it\u2019s that right there\u2014or it\u2019s you\u2019re in pastoral ministry and you\u2019re in, you know, whatever kind of ministry\u2014whatever that is\u2014there is this need to live with that tension. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul talks about that tension, and it is an important tension. We don\u2019t just get to have the attitude that says: \u201cWell, God called me. Therefore, if I take care of His business, He\u2019ll take care of my family.\u201d That used to be the old school way of thinking about it: \u201cGod will take care of my family. My wife will be there; she\u2019ll do that.\u201d Because as we say back in Texas, \u201cThat dog won\u2019t hunt.\u201d [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo whatever it is\u2014whether it\u2019s this end of the spectrum or all the way on the other end of the spectrum\u2014there is this reminder that you now have this sort of divided interest. It\u2019s not a divided interest between the <em>godly<\/em> thing, ministry, and the <em>not-godly<\/em> thing, marriage. You need to understand that marriage is your primary ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s where you get divided; because when you get married, your marriage becomes your primary ministry. It becomes the foundation upon which all of your other ministry is built. It becomes the place where you\u2019re <em>evaluated<\/em> as to whether or not you\u2019re <em>qualified<\/em> for other ministry. It becomes the place where you <em>learn<\/em> the disciplines that are necessary in any and every other ministry. It becomes the place where you are an <em>example<\/em> for those to whom you minister. So it <em>is<\/em> ministry. It is ministry! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s where the difficulty comes\/here\u2019s where the tension comes: the tension becomes the ministry inside the home and inside the marriage, and the ministry outside the home and outside the marriage. There is a constant ebb and flow and working to manage that tension. All of us live with that! Every one of us lives with that. When there are decisions to be made, and when there are prices to be paid, all of these things have to be taken into consideration. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Do you feel like Voddie has like a webcam in your home, and he can hear those conversations you\u2019re having? It almost feels like that! He <em>knows<\/em> what he\u2019s talking about, and he shoots straight to the heart! <em>Great <\/em>encouragement from Voddie Baucham!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo if you\u2019re driving that U-Haul right now, or maybe you\u2019re thinking about moving, or maybe you\u2019re even packing that box\/that last box\u2014or you <em>thought <\/em>it was the last box\u2014I hope that today has been encouraging for you. You know, moving is hard; and there are some resources on our website, FamilyLifeThisWeek.com\u2014that\u2019s FamilyLifeThisWeek.com. On there is a conversation with Susan Miller; she wrote the book, <em>After the Boxes Are Unpacked; <\/em>and she sat down and spoke with Dennis Rainey and Bob Lepine a while back. That will be helpful to you as you make this move across country, across the world, or across town.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, coming up next week, it\u2019s the Fourth of July weekend; and people are going to be out barbecuing\u2014of course, safe social distancing, of course\u2014and we\u2019re going to be thinking about the heroes who, basically, won our freedom for us. But do you know who the true\/the real hero is that won our ultimate freedom? We\u2019re going to be talking about that next week on <em>FamilyLife This Week. <\/em>I hope you can join us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, thanks for listening! I want to thank the president of FamilyLife, David Robbins, along with our station partners around the country. A big \u201cThank you!\u201d to our engineer today, Keith Lynch. Thanks to our producer, Marques Holt. Justin Adams is our mastering engineer, and Megan Martin is our production coordinator.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur program is a production of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and our mission is to effectively develop godly families who change the world one home at a time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI'm Michelle Hill, inviting you to join us again next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife This Week.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"about:blank\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2020 FamilyLife. 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My wife is experiencing some grieving; my children are experiencing some grieving; the ones who are staying and the ones who are going are experiencing some grieving. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI need to recognize and respect that grieving process; and I need to <em>shepherd<\/em> my family through the grieving process, and not just say, \u201cSuck it up! Let\u2019s go.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So whether you\u2019re moving to Africa or across town, we\u2019re going to talk about change, and transitions, and how to make peace with all of that on this edition of <em>FamilyLife This Week. <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week. <\/em>I\u2019m Michelle Hill. You know, change brings stress, even in the happiest of change. Maybe it\u2019s a new baby; maybe it\u2019s a new job; but change brings stress! Maybe that stress is coming because you\u2019re moving right now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, you\u2019re packing up those boxes; you\u2019re packing up those memories. A while back, I was leaving the home that I had lived in when I fostered a couple of young children. While they weren\u2019t with me at that time, when I was packing up the boxes, I found fingerprints on the windows; and the memories came <em>flooding<\/em> back. It was hard for me to leave that home that I had made there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr maybe you\u2019re packing because of an exciting and new adventure, and God answered your prayers\u2014and your spouse got the promotion\u2014that you\u2019ve been praying for, for years! You know, a new grocery store, a new park to play in, new neighbors\u2014you <em>really<\/em> love the old ones! The sun just doesn\u2019t shine in the windows of your [new] living room quite the same.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tToday, we\u2019re going to talk about those feelings of moving. We\u2019re going to hear from Voddie Baucham a little bit later on. Voddie had to move his family to Africa, and that\u2019s quite the trip! He has some <em>great<\/em> advice to give; but first, I wanted to talk with my new friend, Gina Butz, who\u2019s a speaker and author. She\u2019s on staff with Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and so she has had to travel all over the states\u2014let\u2019s say, not just travel\u2014but <em>move<\/em> inside the States and around the world. I thought she\u2019d have some <em>great<\/em> insight for those who might be packing up those homes right now and are moving to a new home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI asked Gina about change and categories for change. She said there are three main categories. Here\u2019s my conversation with Gina Butz.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> I think of three main categories: In my mind, I think of vocational changes or the primary way that you spend your time; I think of relational changes\u2014you know, you get married, or a friend gets married, or you become a parent, or you lose someone\u2014or there are also geographical changes, you know?\u2014you\u2019re picking up and moving to another city or another country. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe thing about that is that it\u2019s <em>rare<\/em> that you would do one of those in isolation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> You know, if you make a vocational change, it impacts your relationships; or it might mean that you have to make a geographical change. There\u2019s always this complexity to change, because it\u2019s not just an isolated thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s difficult because you may respond differently: you may really <em>love<\/em> this new job; but it\u2019s difficult, because it means it has changed your relationships. Or you may really want to move to that new city; but you don\u2019t know anyone there, or the job ends up not being what you wanted. There are just different aspects you have to deal with at the same time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> And that\u2019s hard to deal with those different aspects at the same time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I think of the quote that you have in your book, where your son, I feel, summed it up best when he said, \u201cMy heart is tired because of all the new things.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So talk to us about what that was like when you sat down with your little boy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Oh, you know, it\u2019s so funny. It\u2019s like, \u201cOut of the mouths of babes,\u201d right? It was such a helpful moment for <em>me<\/em>; because I think, often, when we\u2019re in change, we shift into this functional mode, where we just have to get things done; right?! The boxes have to get unpacked; we have to figure out the new job; we have to figure out the new role. Often, we don\u2019t give ourselves the space to really sit down and assess how we\u2019re feeling about it\/how it\u2019s impacting us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat comment from my son was just a wake-up call for me; because I was in the same place. I hadn\u2019t realized it; because I was trying to help them figure out the new homeschool co-op, and I was figuring out where the new grocery store was. It was really helpful for me to just stop, and take a beat, and say: \u201cOkay, yes! What has been new for me this week?\u201d When I catalogued it, it was <em>so much<\/em>; and I thought, \u201cWell, no wonder!\u201d I think, so often in change, you have to stop and go, \u201cOh, no wonder!\u201d\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> \u2014right?\u2014\u201cNo wonder I feel like this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> And you know, that just opens us up to grace, and go: \u201cOkay; of course, I feel like this,\u201d \u201cOf course, this is overwhelming; and I\u2019m tired.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I moved recently into the new house that I\u2019m in right now. I love, love my house; I <em>love<\/em> my neighborhood; but I have noticed there\u2019s an extra stress, because it has added to my commute time. I had to figure out new grocery stores; I had to figure out where my post office is, where my bank is\u2014whereas\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014it <em>added<\/em> this extra level of stress.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It was hard. I\u2019m going to say, even though I loved it, it was hard to navigate through that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes, and I think one of the things about that is that there\u2019s so much mental and emotional energy that goes to adjusting to a change that will <em>never<\/em> show up on paper. It\u2019s not like, \u201cToday, I spent this hour adjusting to my new life\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> But we feel it. It\u2019s sort of like this underlying drain that\u2019s happening; and then we\u2019re like, \u201cWhy am I so tired?\u201d It\u2019s because we can\u2019t\/we can\u2019t\u2014it\u2019s not tangible\u2014that drain. And so I think that\u2019s why we need so much to just stop and be aware of how we\u2019re doing, and just recognize what all has shifted, and how we\u2019re doing with that, and to give ourselves grace. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it\u2019s difficult to do that alone. You know, I think that\u2019s why it\u2019s so important for us to have people that we can be processing with, who can kind of normalize things for us, and say, \u201cWell, no wonder you feel that way; because look at everything that\u2019s happened.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So how do we process through that? How do we be honest?\u2014because normally, as people go through a move\u2014whether it\u2019s across the country or whether it\u2019s just across town; or if they have a new promotion; or even, in your book, you were talking about marriage and how hard that was, even though it\u2019s exciting and new; and it\u2019s what you\u2019ve always wanted\u2014how do we put words to that?\u2014to what we\u2019re feeling inside? Because there is what we\u2019ve been talking about\u2014there\u2019s that angst inside\u2014how do we put words to that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> You know, I think one of the things that\u2019s been really encouraging to me is looking at the example of David in the Psalms, because he has this amazing balance of a complete honesty before God. You know, he pours his heart out: he accuses God; he rages against God; but then it\u2019s like he always comes back to: \u201cBut I know who You are; I know who You say I am.\u201d It\u2019s like he grounds himself in the Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think we really can\u2019t just look at one side or the other. I think there\u2019s a temptation, in transition, to think, \u201cThe way I\u2019ll get through this is that I\u2019ll just focus on the positive\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> But then there\u2019s so much, that is really hard, that we do need to acknowledge. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think we don\u2019t do that alone; we do that with the Lord. I think just having those times, where we sit with Him and say, \u201cHere\u2019s my honest heart, God.\u201d You know, Scripture says that all our longings lie open before Him; our sighing is not hidden from Him. He wants to hear all of that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then also, at the same time, I think two practices that have really helped me have been the practices of gratitude and worship. You know, that I can pour out my heart honestly\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> \u2014to name things for what they are, without judgment, just, \u201cThis is what\u2019s true; it\u2019s hard\u201d\u2014right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> But God is still God; He is God of this situation. He is still my God in this new season; and I will ask Him to show me: \u201cWhat can I choose to be grateful for as I also acknowledge what is difficult?\u201d It is both\/and.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes; what I appreciate about you, and how you have really just put words to all that you\u2019ve lived through and all that you have learned through transitions, is the fact that you have really relied hard on God. Your husband\u2019s always been a part of it; but you\u2019ve painted a picture of what it really looks like to say, \u201cOkay, God, You are my Rock. My husband\u2019s here, and he\u2019s helping me through it. My family\u2019s here, and they\u2019re helping me through it; but God, You are my Rock.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat is so important, because I think so many times, we look to others. We see that it is good that man is not alone, and we look to others; but we don\u2019t always just go, \u201cOkay, God, You are it!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u201cI\u2019m walking through this with You.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes; and I think that\u2019s one of the things, you know, that often we\u2014like I said earlier\u2014we want to focus on the positives. I think, in part, because we don\u2019t have a lot of practice walking through difficult things; and it\u2019s scary to walk through difficult things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, for me, one of the things that God has shown me in transition is how deeply present He is in those difficult things. When we avoid them, I think we\u2019re avoiding an experience of Him. We\u2019re avoiding an opportunity to let Him minister to us in deep ways, and to be our comfort, and our strength, and our solid place. You know, that\u2019s His desire for us, and I think that\u2019s been such a gift. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLike you said, I\u2019m so grateful that God has put people in my life, who listen well to me and have helped me walk through transition; but the reality is that, at the end of the day, ultimately, it is God who is my solid place. Though He may provide that through other people sometimes, it\u2019s still Him; He\u2019s still the One ministering through them. So I think every transition is this opportunity to remember: \u201cGod is the solid ground that I\u2019m always looking for.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> While I may find it out in the world sometimes, ultimately, He is the One that I can count on the most; so transition really is a gift in that way. We can meet God in really hard places, and see that He\u2019s enough.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> A great reminder from Gina that God is enough. He is enough to get you through this next move or whatever transition that you\u2019re walking through right now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, we need to take a break. When we come back, I\u2019m going to talk with Gina about the loss of physical connectedness with those we leave behind. Stay tuned; we\u2019ll be back in two minutes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Radio Station Spot Break]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle: <\/strong>Welcome back to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I'm Michelle Hill. I am talking with my new friend, Gina Butz, today. She is the author of a book called <em>Making Peace with Change<\/em>. She is helping us understand and just to figure out how to walk through the transition of moving and the transition of change. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, you lost your favorite grocery story, your favorite bike path, your favorite playground, your favorite <em>person<\/em>; so I explored with Gina just what that means about the loss of physical presence. Here\u2019s more of our conversation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> When we\u2019re walking through transitions, sometimes we don\u2019t have those physical connections that we used to have\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014whether it\u2019s because we have moved, or whether it\u2019s because we have changed jobs, or whether it\u2019s because\u2014well, I think of an example of yours, when you had a baby. You had to pull back from that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> How do we navigate through that hardship?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes, yes; it\u2019s so true. One of the things that I think\/one of the greatest losses that we often incur in transition is that loss of connection, and it\u2019s at the moment when we most need it. You know, it\u2019s like, \u201cI\u2019ve moved to this new city, and I don\u2019t know anybody!\u201d But I think there\u2019s also an opportunity in that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, we can get this idea like loneliness is this thing that should be avoided at all costs; but I think loneliness really can teach us <em>a lot<\/em>. I think we need to open ourselves up to befriending that idea that, in our loneliness, it uncovers the things that have become maybe too important to us\/things that we\u2019re holding onto for life, apart from God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, it\u2019s that opportunity to come back and reconnect with <em>Him<\/em> and sync into our relationship with Him. I think, in that, there\u2019s also an opportunity to connect to the grief of our losses. That\u2019s something that I think is important; but then, at the same time, I think, as we express gratitude for those things, it opens us up to new things God is providing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know for me, I\u2019ve entered into a new relationship with a couple of women in this time that I was not expecting at all! You know, it\u2019s not even necessarily because of this situation, but just that you don\u2019t know what God\u2019s going to bring from season to season. And even though a season has loss, it doesn\u2019t mean that God isn\u2019t going to bring you good things out of that season.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes; why do you think that is?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> You know, I think transition\u2014you know, we use the analogy of things being uprooted\u2014right? And when you uproot something, the roots are exposed. I think we\u2019re wired for rootedness; we\u2019re wired to be grounded in something. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there are times when God uses transition to show us that we\u2019ve been trying to sink our roots into things that actually aren\u2019t solid. They\u2019re <em>good<\/em> things\u2014you know, relationships, our vocation, the place where [we live]\u2014these are all <em>good <\/em>things\/good gifts that God gives us, but they are <em>not<\/em> solid ground.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You know, it\u2019s summertime now; and I am watching a lot of my friends move. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right now, with FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, there are a lot of my friends moving down to our new place of headquarters. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> There\u2019s a lot of uprooted-ness; there\u2019s a lot of sadness and leaving\u2014there\u2019s a lot of that. What kind of words would you have to encourage somebody, who\u2019s in the process of moving right now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> You know, what that reminds me of is when we moved back from overseas. We were the beginning of a flood of people who left our city; there were 12 families that left our city within a year. I had friends, who were still there; and they said\/by the end of the year they said, \u201cWe need t-shirts that say, \u2018I survived the Exodus.\u2019\u201d [Laughter] You know, it just\u2014I remember them talking about how hard it was to stay emotionally engaged, because to say goodbye to yet another family\/to yet another friend is exhausting. It\u2019s <em>really<\/em> hard. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy encouragement would be to stay engaged as much as you can. There\u2019s always a temptation, in a situation like that, to diminish your grief by telling yourself: \u201cYou know, maybe we weren\u2019t that close,\u201d\u2014right?\u2014\u201cMaybe it\u2019s not that big of a deal.\u201d We want to minimize it, because it\u2019s painful. I would just encourage people to pay attention to: \u201cHow is your heart responding?\u201d It is exhausting; it does get tiring to say goodbye; but again, I think the more we are willing to engage in that, it really sets the course for how we engage our hearts in anything in the future. You know, I think, if we shut ourselves down to grief, we also shut ourselves down to joy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I guess it\u2019s okay to take naps during this time and to sleep a little longer, because our minds are a little\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Oh, for sure! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014they\u2019re just exhausted! And <em>we\u2019re<\/em> exhausted.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> And so we need to give each other, and ourselves, grace\/extra grace during this time of moving and transitions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> Yes, yes; I think it\u2019s important to keep tabs on how we\u2019re doing emotionally\/how the people around us are doing\u2014and to be honest with each other\u2014encourage each other. There are going to be some days when one of you is up and one of you is down, and vice versa. None of us go through a transition the same way, even if we\u2019re in the same transition. Yes, absolutely\u2014giving each other grace to be where we are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Those are good words. Gina, thank you so much for joining me today and sharing with us just how to navigate change, and navigate moving, and all the good things and <em>hard<\/em> things. Thank you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gina:<\/strong> You\u2019re welcome. Thanks for having me!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> What a <em>refreshing<\/em> conversation to hear: \u201cIt\u2019s okay! Take it to God\u2014take all those fears\/all those feelings\u2014take it to God and drop it at His feet.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy friend, Voddie Baucham, a few years ago, packed up his family and moved to Africa; because he believed that was where God was calling him. However, his wife didn\u2019t hear those same words and that same calling from God at the same time, and Voddie had to learn how to care for his wife and lead his family during this transition. Here\u2019s Voddie Baucham.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Recorded Message]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Voddie:<\/strong> I need to be reminded to recognize and respect the grieving process. I mean, as a man, \u201cI\u2019m pretty much done; great.\u201d We made the decision in August; we went through all of those steps\u2014there was confirmation from all these different areas\u2014and we are getting ready to go; but there\u2019s grieving going on. My wife is experiencing some grieving; my children are experiencing some grieving. The ones who are staying and the ones who are going are experiencing some grieving. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI need to recognize and respect that grieving process. I need to <em>shepherd<\/em> my family through the grieving process, and not just say, \u201cSuck it up! Let\u2019s go.\u201d I need to <em>shepherd<\/em> my family through this grieving process.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSecondly, I need to communicate more than I <em>think<\/em> I need to communicate. There\u2019s a whole lot of times, when I <em>think<\/em> something to myself, like, \u201cOkay, here\u2019s an obstacle that we have to overcome.\u201d I recognize that obstacle, and I make a plan for that obstacle to be overcome; and I\u2019m like, \u201cWe\u2019re good!\u201d Bridget is going, \u201cCan I\/can I\u2014can I know some of that?\u201d [Laughter] I need to communicate those things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI need to recognize that this is a <em>huge <\/em>move\u2014and that I\u2019m asking a lot\u2014this is a big ask right here! It really is! It\u2019s a big ask, and I need to be <em>clear<\/em>\u2014painstakingly clear\/<em>redundantly<\/em> clear\u2014I need to be clear again, and again, and again about this; because this is a big ask. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThirdly, I need to be reminded to take everything off my wife\u2019s plate that I can; because again, this is a big ask. There\u2019s a lot of <em>weight<\/em> on her as she contemplates leaving this nest. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFourth, I need to provide a safe, secure home for my family. They need to <em>know<\/em> that that\u2019s what I\u2019m providing. I\u2019m not Indiana Jones. [Laughter] If it were just me, I could just go live anywhere\/do anything; you know, \u201cWe\u2019re good,\u201d\u2014right? But it\u2019s <em>not<\/em> just me; and so it\u2019s incumbent upon <em>me<\/em> to communicate to <em>her<\/em> and to <em>them<\/em>, \u201cI am going to take care of your safety and your security.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then, finally, I have to remind them again and again why we\u2019re doing what we\u2019re doing. I have to continue to root and ground my family in a gospel-centered understanding of why we\u2019re doing what we\u2019re doing\u2014that this is about Christ and the fullness of the reward for which He died; that this is about the gospel being more significant and more important than any of us, and even all of us together; that this is about kingdom service above anything else. While all these other things are important, ultimately, this is what it boils down to. That reminder has to come again, and again, and again, and again. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we appreciate encouragement from the outside. We\u2019re <em>grateful<\/em> for all of you who have encouraged us from the outside; we\u2019re thankful for that! But here\u2019s where the rubber meets the road\u2014we\u2019re encouraged from the outside\u2014and then we go home, and a \u201cFor Sale\u201d sign goes up; and there\u2019s nobody to pat us on the back and go, \u201cI\u2019m so proud of you guys!\u201d It\u2019s just us going: \u201cThis is everything; this is the last 15 years. This is the home that, you know, every one of the last seven children came home to. This is our country; our country that we love. I\u2019m a patriot; I <em>love<\/em> my country.\u201d Nevertheless, my country is not my kingdom; and so we have to be reminded again, and again, and again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo for you\u2014whomever you are, and wherever you are, and whatever constitutes that mission side of your life\u2014whether it is: \u201cRight now, God has called us to this mission of raising, training, evangelizing, and discipling these children\/or this child that God has given us!\u201d\u2014whether it\u2019s that right there\u2014or it\u2019s you\u2019re in pastoral ministry and you\u2019re in, you know, whatever kind of ministry\u2014whatever that is\u2014there is this need to live with that tension. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul talks about that tension, and it is an important tension. We don\u2019t just get to have the attitude that says: \u201cWell, God called me. Therefore, if I take care of His business, He\u2019ll take care of my family.\u201d That used to be the old school way of thinking about it: \u201cGod will take care of my family. My wife will be there; she\u2019ll do that.\u201d Because as we say back in Texas, \u201cThat dog won\u2019t hunt.\u201d [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo whatever it is\u2014whether it\u2019s this end of the spectrum or all the way on the other end of the spectrum\u2014there is this reminder that you now have this sort of divided interest. It\u2019s not a divided interest between the <em>godly<\/em> thing, ministry, and the <em>not-godly<\/em> thing, marriage. You need to understand that marriage is your primary ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s where you get divided; because when you get married, your marriage becomes your primary ministry. It becomes the foundation upon which all of your other ministry is built. It becomes the place where you\u2019re <em>evaluated<\/em> as to whether or not you\u2019re <em>qualified<\/em> for other ministry. It becomes the place where you <em>learn<\/em> the disciplines that are necessary in any and every other ministry. It becomes the place where you are an <em>example<\/em> for those to whom you minister. So it <em>is<\/em> ministry. It is ministry! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s where the difficulty comes\/here\u2019s where the tension comes: the tension becomes the ministry inside the home and inside the marriage, and the ministry outside the home and outside the marriage. There is a constant ebb and flow and working to manage that tension. All of us live with that! Every one of us lives with that. When there are decisions to be made, and when there are prices to be paid, all of these things have to be taken into consideration. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Do you feel like Voddie has like a webcam in your home, and he can hear those conversations you\u2019re having? It almost feels like that! He <em>knows<\/em> what he\u2019s talking about, and he shoots straight to the heart! <em>Great <\/em>encouragement from Voddie Baucham!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo if you\u2019re driving that U-Haul right now, or maybe you\u2019re thinking about moving, or maybe you\u2019re even packing that box\/that last box\u2014or you <em>thought <\/em>it was the last box\u2014I hope that today has been encouraging for you. You know, moving is hard; and there are some resources on our website, FamilyLifeThisWeek.com\u2014that\u2019s FamilyLifeThisWeek.com. On there is a conversation with Susan Miller; she wrote the book, <em>After the Boxes Are Unpacked; <\/em>and she sat down and spoke with Dennis Rainey and Bob Lepine a while back. That will be helpful to you as you make this move across country, across the world, or across town.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, coming up next week, it\u2019s the Fourth of July weekend; and people are going to be out barbecuing\u2014of course, safe social distancing, of course\u2014and we\u2019re going to be thinking about the heroes who, basically, won our freedom for us. But do you know who the true\/the real hero is that won our ultimate freedom? We\u2019re going to be talking about that next week on <em>FamilyLife This Week. <\/em>I hope you can join us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, thanks for listening! I want to thank the president of FamilyLife, David Robbins, along with our station partners around the country. 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