{"id":306074,"date":"2020-06-05T07:00:04","date_gmt":"2020-06-05T11:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/practical-things-parents-can-do\/"},"modified":"2024-10-24T14:27:16","modified_gmt":"2024-10-24T18:27:16","slug":"practical-things-parents-can-do","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/practical-things-parents-can-do\/","title":{"rendered":"Practical Things Parents Can Do"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Sean McDowell and J. Warner Wallace remind us that many of our youth today navigate the world through their feelings. They suggest some practical ways parents can interact with their kids around cultural issues using a biblical worldview.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sean McDowell and J. Warner Wallace remind us that many of our youth today navigate the world through their feelings. 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See if there be wicked ways in me,\u201d\u2014bring that to the surface so that I can confess it and deal with it.<\/p>\n<p>How do you think we should be praying, as individuals and as a family, in the middle of this moment?<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>I wrote an article for FamilyLife.com that you can find there. It basically is an invitation to intercede\/to pray\u2014to, literally, get on our knees. It walks through five different areas. The first is to confess and lament\u2014to pray that Psalm 139, verse 23, prayer\u2014to come in humility and to search out our hearts: to feel pain, to listen, and to hear it, and understand it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>When you talk about lament and feeling pain, we may not be feeling it personally\u2014because these are not things that have happened to us directly\u2014but the Bible says we are to \u201cweep with those who weep.\u201d We have brothers and sisters\/fellow image-bearers, who are in pain. God calls us to feel that with them.<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. He says multiple times in the Scriptures, \u201cDo not fear.\u201d He says, \u201cDo not be anxious.\u201d He <em>never<\/em> says, \u201cDo not be sad.\u201d He actually <em>teaches<\/em> how to lament all throughout the Psalms and multiple times in Scripture. Us, being able to understand how to lament, as an act of worship, is really important.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>You said confession as well. This is where I do think we need to examine our own heart. I\u2019ve been asking the Lord to reveal blind spots in my own life when it comes to how I interact with people, who are different than me; and to bring those out into the open, and confess that, and listen, and learn.<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>Yes, absolutely. And to learn from people who have different experiences than us is really important.<\/p>\n<p>The second area I invite people to pray through is to pray for injustice to end\u2014that we would understand that all are made in God\u2019s image\u2014and to intercede that peace would be found and that justice would be found.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Justice is a big theme in the Bible. God is a <em>just<\/em> God. When we, as His image-bearers, are unjust with one another, we are marring the image of God. Again, that needs to be confessed as well. I agree with you; pray for justice. Amos said for \u201cjustice to roll\u201d in our world [Amos 5:24].<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>Yes, a third area is that we would pray for our leaders at every level in our country. Our national leaders, all the way down to our community leaders, and local church leaders: pray for wisdom and compassion\u2014for them to engage with people, with compassion\/wisdom\u2014and also to make decisions that bring flourishing for everyone in our communities.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>As we think about leaders, I think about those public servants\u2014police officers and those in the military, who have been called out. I think about protestors as well\u2014pray for <em>them <\/em>to exercise wisdom and to protest appropriately.<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>Yes, that those seeking justice would also seek peace; and for those who are seeking peace, would also seek justice.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>There is power in a peaceful protest.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>The fourth area would be to pray for renewal and revival\u2014that we, in this time\u2014so much has been going on in 2020: \u201cWhat is God doing in our midst to break up hardened places in our hearts?\u201d We need to pray for God\u2019s Spirit to move powerfully, [with] transformation, and broadly through our land.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>This past week was Pentecost Sunday, when God poured out His Spirit on His church. I thought, \u201cWe need a fresh pouring out of the Spirit of God in our land today.\u201d Yes, pray for renewal and revival.<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>Absolutely; He has put that same Spirit in each one of us, and that leads to the fifth point\u2014that we would pray for unity. Pray for unity among the body of Christ; pray that we would be one in expressing love and righteousness together.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, David, this is helpful. I just want to mention that these prayer areas are a part of the article that you wrote that\u2019s available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can go there and refer to this\/maybe, lead your family through this. It is important that we take a few minutes, here, before we dive into today\u2019s program and talk about these things. Do you want to pray for us and for our world?<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>Absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>Lord, we come before You, King of kings\/Lord of lords. You have said for us to approach Your throne of grace with confidence when we are in need of grace and mercy.<\/p>\n<p>Lord, we pray for ourselves, individually and corporately, that You would move in us and transform and form our own hearts and souls toward You and You would also form our country and our world toward You\u2014that it would be \u201con earth as it is in heaven.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Lord, thank You for [us] getting to be a part of ministering to families, where we would live out our vision of every home becoming a godly home. Lord, would You do it in our day? In Jesus\u2019 name, amen.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Amen. Thank you, David.<\/p>\n<p>Now, we have been having a conversation this week about how we, as parents, can help our children think biblically, think critically, think from a biblical worldview about the issues that we\u2019re facing in our world today. We\u2019ve got friends, who have been with us this week; they are back again today. Sean McDowell and J. Warner Wallace are joining us. Guys, welcome, again, to <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Thanks for having us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> Good to be back.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sean and J. Warner are both involved at Biola University as professors in the apologetics program that is one of the premier programs on apologetics in the country\/maybe, in the world; I think that would be safe to say.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> We would say that. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you are equipping college students to know how to defend their faith in a way that brings reason and logic and says: \u201cThis makes logical sense.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But even on the college campus\u2014it\u2019s not just middle schoolers, but college students\u2014the headwinds for Christian living today: \u201cIs it stronger than it\u2019s ever been?\u201d or \u201cAm I overstating the case?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> I think it <em>shifted<\/em> a little bit. When I talk with my father\u2014who has spoken on 1,200 universities, going back to \u201860\u2019s and \u201870\u2019s\u2014he said the questions he used to get are: \u201cIs it true?\u201d \u201cGive me facts.\u201d There was an assumption that there is such a thing as truth, and you should put evidence forward for your position.<\/p>\n<p>Well, we now live in what\u2019s called a post-truth culture, in which people tend to navigate reality a lot through their <em>feelings<\/em>. It doesn\u2019t mean truth is not important; but feelings, for a lot of different reasons, are shaping how people are even <em>processing<\/em> truth today. The questions have shifted from: \u201cIs this true? Give me evidence,\u201d to the assumption that Christianity is bad: \u201cHow can you believe this?!\u201d \u201cHow are you not a bigot?\u201d \u201cHow are you not hateful?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We still have to make a case that Christianity is true\u2014and I would say people always inherently care about truth, because we are made in the image of God\u2014but what\u2019s happens now\u2014it\u2019s not just that Christianity is false; Christianity is deemed as being bad, and it\u2019s being harmful\u2014a lot of young people look at this and go, \u201cIf I really want to love people, what does that mean for how I view marriage?\u201d\u2014because they are saying: \u201cI want to follow the biblical worldview, but I don\u2019t want to be a bigot.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> Navigating those waters is really, really tricky for this generation.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> As a grownup, I\u2019m equipped a little better to handle that than a 14-year-old, who is trying to say, \u201cWho am I? Do people like me? How do I get people to like me? How do I fit in? How do I <em>not<\/em> be an outcast?\u201d We\u2019re saying, \u201cOh, you are going to follow Jesus, which is going to <em>make<\/em> you an outcast\u201d; and who wants to sign on for that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Well, don\u2019t you think that most of the time, though, our young people are, by their innate nature, a bit rebellious? I think young people are, by very nature, trying to find\/carve a new way that is somehow slightly countercultural.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> The culture is shifting now; it\u2019s actually embracing the views that the rebellious teenagers held two generations ago. Jesus was very countercultural. If you\u2019re looking for a countercultural role model, I think we\u2019ve got one on the pages of the New Testament.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think for parents today, it\u2019s really confusing. A practical question is: \u201cShould we put our kids in Christian schools?\u201d \u201cShould we be homeschooling them?\u201d or \u201cDo we put them in public school?\u201d I think so many young parents are trying to make those decisions, and they feel very lost.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s going to depend a lot on the quality of the public school, the quality of the private school, the resources to homeschool or not, and the nature of the young person. I\u2019ve seen Christian young people thrive in all of those different settings, and I\u2019ve seen them crash in all of those different settings.<\/p>\n<p>I think what parents have to do, if they send their kids to a public school: be involved, be engaged, build relationships with the teachers, find out what\u2019s being taught, and be really active in that relationship. If they homeschool, that has challenges. If you private school, that has challenges. I\u2019m not going to say you necessarily have to do one or the other, but I think parents need to be very <em>thoughtful<\/em> about this.<\/p>\n<p>They better find out <em>exactly<\/em> what is being taught. In schools right now, there are things being taught in the public schools, which you cannot opt out your kids, that are directly in contradiction with the Christian faith. Now, does that mean <em>no<\/em> Christian parents can send their kids there?\u2014that\u2019s not my point\u2014but if you do, be aware, be involved, and know exactly what you\u2019re getting into, and make sure there is a relationship there to counter some of the ideas that are coming.<\/p>\n<p>Think about this: Even homeschool parents today can\u2019t keep their kids from the ideas\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> \u2014in the culture.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> So, unfortunately,\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> \u2014we have to start those conversations\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> \u2014early.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> \u2014early.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> If we can control some of their consumption of this digital media\/if you have some parameters\u2014and there\u2019s enough technological changes right now that are out there that are designed to <em>protect<\/em> these platforms. If you will install them on your platforms, they will give you a good sense of what your kids are doing\u2014even resend them, by email screen shots, of what they are seeing on their phone\u2014that\u2019s pretty much a limiter for a lot of young people. If they think their parents are going to get a daily email, which are going to have screen shots from their phone, there are some ways to kind of set some boundaries\/some realistic boundaries. I think that\u2019s probably appropriate for us to do.<\/p>\n<p>We recognized that there are a lot of books that are written about: \u201cWhat is true\u2026\u201d This book, we wrote this time, is really: \u201cHow do you take what is true and practically engage your kids with it?\u201d It\u2019s a how-to book.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> And the book is called\u2014so our listeners will know\u2014<em>So the Next Generation Will Know<\/em> by Sean McDowell and J. Warner Wallace. As you said, it\u2019s practical; so let\u2019s make this practical. Let\u2019s get into: If you were sitting at a table, with a group of parents of middle school-\/high school-\/college-age students, and they are going, \u201cWe want our kids to thrive, and to embrace their faith, and to be able to defend their faith, and to hold fast to their faith,\u201d where do you start?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> Here are a couple of practical examples of things parents consider doing. Now, realize, kids are different; some things work for one kid and not for another. Part of the book is to say: \u201cHere are a bunch of tools you can try. Take what works, and throw out what doesn\u2019t.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>About a year\/year-and-a-half ago, my son wanted to see this movie about the rock band, Queen.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> And let\u2019s just acknowledge, for folks who don\u2019t know, Freddie Mercury was not a moral individual; right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> Yes; so I read stuff about it\u2014knew the rock band, Queen; saw their\u2014\u201cOkay; there are some things in this that are probably pushing a certain agenda.\u201d Read enough and said to my son\u2014he\u2019s14\u2014I said: \u201cOkay, you want to go see this movie. Here is the deal: I\u2019ll pay for it; and I\u2019ll take a friend, who is fine. All I ask\u2014I\u2019ll even buy a popcorn\u2014is when we\u2019re done, we just sit down; and I just want to know what you think about it: \u2018What did you see? What did you learn? Was Christianity presented? Were there any ideas that you thought were being preached to you? Was it good storytelling?\u2019\u2014just have a conversation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He goes, \u201cSure, Dad!\u201d We go to the movie; I paid for it. We came out afterwards; and probably 30 minutes, we sit down at our dinner table. I\u2019m like: \u201cWhat did you see? Did you ever feel they were preaching at you?\u201d He goes: \u201cOh, yes, Dad. In this one scene, they said something; they <em>never<\/em> would have said in the \u201880s,\u201d or whatever era it was. We just simply had a conversation about it. There are more opportunities, if we build a relationship, present if we will seize them.<\/p>\n<p>Another example is my daughter. This past summer\u2014she\u2019s 12\u2014wanted these Birkenstock shoes that are <em>not cheap<\/em>. [Laughter] She wanted them; I thought, \u201cWell, what if I can find a way, where she can get these, that I bring some value to this?\u201d I said: \u201cOkay, I\u2019ve got an idea. There are these short videos online,\u201d\u2014by a one of my favorite radio show hosts named Dennis Prager\u2014\u201cThey are on religion, and they are on culture and politics. They are four or five minutes.\u201d I said, \u201cIf you watch 50 of these, and you just write a summary of each one.\u201d She worked through all 50; got her the shoes. She learned a little bit about: things have a value; you work for something. We had all these worldview conversations.<\/p>\n<p>Now, my son just simply would <em>not<\/em> have done that\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> \u2014but my daughter did. When she\u2019s done, she\u2019s like, \u201cI don\u2019t think I\u2019d do that again.\u201d I said, \u201cThat\u2019s fine.\u201d It was a good experience.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> What do you say to the parent that says, \u201c<em>No way<\/em> am I letting my kids see <em>Bohemian Rhapsody<\/em> even if we have a discussion about it!\u201d? What would you say to that parent?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> I\u2019d say: \u201cWhy not?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> \u201cWhat are you afraid of?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> Look, if your kid is eight, I get it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> If your kid is <em>14 years old<\/em>, this is the world we live in; and it\u2019s not <em>endorsing<\/em> it, necessarily, by seeing that film. And there is not sex scenes that are explicit at all; it\u2019s language, and it\u2019s suggestive. There are certain films I\u2019d say, \u201cNo, we\u2019re not\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Of course.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cgoing to see this.\u201d You do have to be careful and read ahead of time; but the way my parents raised me is to look at this as an opportunity and not be afraid of it.<\/p>\n<p>I think what happens is when we say, \u201cThey are not watching <em>Bohemian Rhapsody<\/em>!\u201d\u2014it becomes a forbidden fruit. I just want to take that away from them and go: \u201cHey, I\u2019m not afraid of this. We\u2019ve got to have discernment; we\u2019ve got to have wisdom. Let\u2019s watch it and talk about it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Keep in mind, too, a basic principle here is we do not want our young people to engage bad ideas for the first time when they are not with us to help them navigate the bad idea.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> It\u2019s been said that one of the biggest challenges\u2014and we wrote a whole chapter on this\u2014is apathy. The biggest challenge to theism is not atheism but apathy-ism. I think there is a good argument to be made there. We have a sense: \u201cHe doesn\u2019t really care about this,\u201d and \u201cHow do we increase <em>passion<\/em> in our students?\u201d This is a challenge.<\/p>\n<p>But I would say the one thing we would offer\u2014as kind of an overarching principle that will change every conversation you will have with your kids\u2014we have a tendency, as parents, is to offer a lot of what\u2019s: \u201cWhat is true about the Bible?\u201d \u201cWhat does the Bible teach about this?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2019s true about God?\u201d \u201cWhat does God say about that?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2026?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2026?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2026?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2026?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2026? What\u2026?\u201d Instead, let\u2019s offer two why\u2019s for every what; and you will see your conversations change. You will see the interest in your students change\/in your kids change.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat does the Bible say about \u2018X\u2019?\u201d \u201cFine; what objective reason should I believe that the Bible is actually <em>accurate<\/em> on that issue?\u201d It\u2019s going to require us, as parents, to have a little bit more in our pocket than just \u201cThe Bible says so.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> It turns out we could make a case for everything that\u2019s claimed in the Bible, from both natural revelation and from special revelation. It\u2019s our choice if we\u2019re going to do that or not. That\u2019s the first why.<\/p>\n<p>The second why is, probably, even more important: \u201cOkay, so you\u2019ve made this claim about the Bible; and you\u2019ve given me some good evidence for why it might be true, but why should I care?\u201d That\u2019s a good question, I think.<\/p>\n<p>You know, it turns out this generation reports themselves\/they will identify themselves as the loneliest generation. Why is that the case? Well, it turns out that it\u2019s theological\u2014because under a Christian worldview, it turns out that your body matters. Being in the proximity of another physical body is what relationships are built on. Because you were created in the image of God, and He gave you both a body\u2014by the way, when we die, we don\u2019t go be a nonphysical beings; we have a resurrection body.<\/p>\n<p>It turns out I can make a case for <em>what<\/em> the Bible claims about this: <em>why<\/em> this is true, even if there was no Bible; and <em>why<\/em> it ought to matter to you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> It is interesting\u2014you\u2019ve already said\u2014that I, even as a parent, or as a youth pastor, or as anybody trying to influence the next generation\u2014they are not really going to listen to the why\u2019s even or the what\u2019s unless they feel\u2014and you started the book with this question\u2014that you love them. Isn\u2019t it interesting?<\/p>\n<p>I mean, as I looked at even how you broke the book up\u2014this generation is different; there is all kinds of different influences\u2014but when it comes down to the core, they are still asking the same question we still ask today, as adults\u2014but we definitely asked as a 12\/13-year-old\u2014\u201cDo you love me?\u201d and \u201cWill you show it?\u201d\u2014those are your two sections.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s like, \u201cHow do I reach my son and daughter?\u201d They are going to want to know, first, \u201cDo you love me?\u201d and then out of that relationship\u2014right?\u2014I love how you phrased it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> That\u2019s the heart of it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> I mean, at its core, I think this generation wants to be called \u201cthe beloved\u201d; that\u2019s their heart. We all do; and especially in light of this loneliness\u2014especially in light of distractions\/especially in light of the constant pressures and anxiety\u2014in their heart, they just want to be known as the beloved of an adult, who steps in and says: \u201cI care about you,\u201d and \u201cI\u2019m going to help you be everything God has designed you to be.\u201d They might not show the immediate response they want to; but that is making a difference in their life and, more often than not, bears fruit in the long run.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s the most important thing that we can really end on\u2014is that fact. My mom recently passed away; she was 90 years old. We recently just celebrated her life. For her celebration, there are 12 grandsons\u2014no granddaughters\u2014only grandsons, ages 28 to 41. All stood up and gave her a tribute and talked about the impact that she had made on their lives\u2014every one.<\/p>\n<p>It really wasn\u2019t about her worldview; it wasn\u2019t about how she was such a theologian\u2014although she lived her faith\u2014it was that she loved them; she saw them; she played with them; she made them laugh. They said: \u201cWhen she sat down with us, she looked at us in the eye; and she said, \u201cI love you. I love how God made you; I\u2019m so proud of you.\u201d Basically, she said, \u201cYou are my beloved.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> Wow.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019m telling you\u2014these 12 boys would give their lives for her. That\u2019s what really matters is: \u201cDo we love them?\u201d\u2014because we can make it so complicated and fearful, as parents, thinking: \u201cI need all of these answers. I need to know apologetics. I need this worldview.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It really comes down to: \u201cWill you spend time with them? Will you be with them?\u2014engage in their questions and their dialogue.\u201d They just want somebody to see them\/to love them. Maybe, if we don\u2019t know the answers, we can help them find the answers.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s not that the apologetics don\u2019t matter; obviously,\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014we\u2019re sitting here with two apologetics guys,\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Exactly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014who are giving their lives to saying: \u201cThese truth claims do matter.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cand both are important.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> But if you don\u2019t have a foundation to communicate that\u2014what\u2019s the old line?\u2014\u201cThey don\u2019t care how much you know until they know how much you care\u201d; right? All the way through your book, you weave the idea that: \u201cThis is how you love: You love this way by sharing truth, by engaging, by being there\u201d; but it\u2019s all with this foundation of: \u201cYes; I really do care, and I respect you. I\u2019m going to listen to you, and we\u2019re going to have a relationship. In the context of that, we\u2019re going to talk about what a biblical worldview looks like; because you\u2019re going to face some headwinds, and you\u2019re going to have to stand in the midst of those headwinds.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Just like you, Sean, when you were 19 years old, you may think, \u201cI\u2019m not sure I believe all of this stuff.\u201d \u201cThat\u2019s okay; think deeply about it.\u201d Our conviction\/your conviction is: \u201cIf people will think clearly about the Bible, the Bible is going to validate itself.\u201d Who was it?\u2014I think it was Spurgeon, who they asked him if he would debate the Bible. He said: \u201cI don\u2019t need to debate the Bible. Just take it off its leash\u2014it\u2019s like a bulldog; it\u2019ll defend itself,\u201d\u2014the claims of Christ hold up under intellectual scrutiny.<\/p>\n<p>But the foundation of love\u2014we started this whole conversation by talking about the fact\u2014John 1:14\u2014Jesus came; He was full of grace and truth. If our parenting\/if our Christianity is not full of grace and truth, there is something deficient; and we\u2019ve got to be full of both.<\/p>\n<p>You guys have helped equip us in both areas, and we\u2019re grateful for the book. We\u2019re grateful for you being here. Thanks for being on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> So glad to be here.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> Thank you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> And guys, there are a ton of parents I\u2019m thinking of right now who need this book and <em>realize<\/em> they need this book. They can go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, to order the book, <em>So the Next Generation Will Know<\/em>, by Sean McDowell and J. Warner Wallace. There is also a participant\u2019s guide. You can get together with other parents and go through eight sessions, where you interact and talk about how you\u2019re going to do this with your kids\u2014great for a small group or a Sunday school class.<\/p>\n<p>Again, find the information on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can order from us online or call to order: 1-800-FL-TODAY is the number. The title of the book, one more time, <em>So the Next Generation Will Know<\/em>. Order, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Again, I want to point you back to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com. At the beginning of today\u2019s program, David Robbins, the president of FamilyLife, joined us to talk about how we can be praying together\u2014as a family, as individuals, brothers and sisters in Christ\u2014in the middle of issues that we are facing as a nation. The article David wrote on that and the prayer prompts that he provided are available online at FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>Let\u2019s take this assignment seriously. Let\u2019s make sure we are spending time praying for our nation\/praying for the Spirit of God to be poured out on us in our day. It\u2019s clear we need God to do a work in our midst. I hope, again, you go to FamilyLifeToday.com and get a copy of David\u2019s article and pray through it this weekend.<\/p>\n<p>And with that, we\u2019ve got to wrap things up for this week. Thanks for being with us. I hope you have a great weekend. I hope you and your family are able to worship together with your local church, one way or another, this weekend; and I hope you can join us back on Monday. We\u2019ll introduce you to a couple who, at one point in their marriage, realized they had to deal with what had been a hidden trauma: a wife who had experienced sexual abuse and never told anyone. That finally came to light in a pretty dramatic way. We\u2019ll introduce you to Bill and Pamela Ronzheimer on Monday. I hope you can be here for that.<\/p>\n<p>I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Have a <em>wonderful<\/em> weekend. We will see you Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. 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McDowell and J. Warner Wallace remind us that many of our youth today navigate the world through their feelings. They suggest some practical ways parents can interact with their kids around cultural issues using a biblical worldview.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2020-06-05.pdf","transcript_content":"<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is a time for all of us to have some sober personal reflection\u2014to apply<\/p>\n<p>Psalm 139: \u201cSearch me, O God; know my heart. See if there be wicked ways in me,\u201d\u2014bring that to the surface so that I can confess it and deal with it.<\/p>\n<p>How do you think we should be praying, as individuals and as a family, in the middle of this moment?<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>I wrote an article for FamilyLife.com that you can find there. It basically is an invitation to intercede\/to pray\u2014to, literally, get on our knees. It walks through five different areas. The first is to confess and lament\u2014to pray that Psalm 139, verse 23, prayer\u2014to come in humility and to search out our hearts: to feel pain, to listen, and to hear it, and understand it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>When you talk about lament and feeling pain, we may not be feeling it personally\u2014because these are not things that have happened to us directly\u2014but the Bible says we are to \u201cweep with those who weep.\u201d We have brothers and sisters\/fellow image-bearers, who are in pain. God calls us to feel that with them.<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. He says multiple times in the Scriptures, \u201cDo not fear.\u201d He says, \u201cDo not be anxious.\u201d He <em>never<\/em> says, \u201cDo not be sad.\u201d He actually <em>teaches<\/em> how to lament all throughout the Psalms and multiple times in Scripture. Us, being able to understand how to lament, as an act of worship, is really important.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>You said confession as well. This is where I do think we need to examine our own heart. I\u2019ve been asking the Lord to reveal blind spots in my own life when it comes to how I interact with people, who are different than me; and to bring those out into the open, and confess that, and listen, and learn.<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>Yes, absolutely. And to learn from people who have different experiences than us is really important.<\/p>\n<p>The second area I invite people to pray through is to pray for injustice to end\u2014that we would understand that all are made in God\u2019s image\u2014and to intercede that peace would be found and that justice would be found.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Justice is a big theme in the Bible. God is a <em>just<\/em> God. When we, as His image-bearers, are unjust with one another, we are marring the image of God. Again, that needs to be confessed as well. I agree with you; pray for justice. Amos said for \u201cjustice to roll\u201d in our world [Amos 5:24].<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>Yes, a third area is that we would pray for our leaders at every level in our country. Our national leaders, all the way down to our community leaders, and local church leaders: pray for wisdom and compassion\u2014for them to engage with people, with compassion\/wisdom\u2014and also to make decisions that bring flourishing for everyone in our communities.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>As we think about leaders, I think about those public servants\u2014police officers and those in the military, who have been called out. I think about protestors as well\u2014pray for <em>them <\/em>to exercise wisdom and to protest appropriately.<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>Yes, that those seeking justice would also seek peace; and for those who are seeking peace, would also seek justice.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>There is power in a peaceful protest.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>The fourth area would be to pray for renewal and revival\u2014that we, in this time\u2014so much has been going on in 2020: \u201cWhat is God doing in our midst to break up hardened places in our hearts?\u201d We need to pray for God\u2019s Spirit to move powerfully, [with] transformation, and broadly through our land.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>This past week was Pentecost Sunday, when God poured out His Spirit on His church. I thought, \u201cWe need a fresh pouring out of the Spirit of God in our land today.\u201d Yes, pray for renewal and revival.<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>Absolutely; He has put that same Spirit in each one of us, and that leads to the fifth point\u2014that we would pray for unity. Pray for unity among the body of Christ; pray that we would be one in expressing love and righteousness together.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, David, this is helpful. I just want to mention that these prayer areas are a part of the article that you wrote that\u2019s available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can go there and refer to this\/maybe, lead your family through this. It is important that we take a few minutes, here, before we dive into today\u2019s program and talk about these things. Do you want to pray for us and for our world?<\/p>\n<p><strong>David: <\/strong>Absolutely.<\/p>\n<p>Lord, we come before You, King of kings\/Lord of lords. You have said for us to approach Your throne of grace with confidence when we are in need of grace and mercy.<\/p>\n<p>Lord, we pray for ourselves, individually and corporately, that You would move in us and transform and form our own hearts and souls toward You and You would also form our country and our world toward You\u2014that it would be \u201con earth as it is in heaven.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Lord, thank You for [us] getting to be a part of ministering to families, where we would live out our vision of every home becoming a godly home. Lord, would You do it in our day? In Jesus\u2019 name, amen.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Amen. Thank you, David.<\/p>\n<p>Now, we have been having a conversation this week about how we, as parents, can help our children think biblically, think critically, think from a biblical worldview about the issues that we\u2019re facing in our world today. We\u2019ve got friends, who have been with us this week; they are back again today. Sean McDowell and J. Warner Wallace are joining us. Guys, welcome, again, to <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Thanks for having us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> Good to be back.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sean and J. Warner are both involved at Biola University as professors in the apologetics program that is one of the premier programs on apologetics in the country\/maybe, in the world; I think that would be safe to say.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> We would say that. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you are equipping college students to know how to defend their faith in a way that brings reason and logic and says: \u201cThis makes logical sense.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But even on the college campus\u2014it\u2019s not just middle schoolers, but college students\u2014the headwinds for Christian living today: \u201cIs it stronger than it\u2019s ever been?\u201d or \u201cAm I overstating the case?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> I think it <em>shifted<\/em> a little bit. When I talk with my father\u2014who has spoken on 1,200 universities, going back to \u201860\u2019s and \u201870\u2019s\u2014he said the questions he used to get are: \u201cIs it true?\u201d \u201cGive me facts.\u201d There was an assumption that there is such a thing as truth, and you should put evidence forward for your position.<\/p>\n<p>Well, we now live in what\u2019s called a post-truth culture, in which people tend to navigate reality a lot through their <em>feelings<\/em>. It doesn\u2019t mean truth is not important; but feelings, for a lot of different reasons, are shaping how people are even <em>processing<\/em> truth today. The questions have shifted from: \u201cIs this true? Give me evidence,\u201d to the assumption that Christianity is bad: \u201cHow can you believe this?!\u201d \u201cHow are you not a bigot?\u201d \u201cHow are you not hateful?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We still have to make a case that Christianity is true\u2014and I would say people always inherently care about truth, because we are made in the image of God\u2014but what\u2019s happens now\u2014it\u2019s not just that Christianity is false; Christianity is deemed as being bad, and it\u2019s being harmful\u2014a lot of young people look at this and go, \u201cIf I really want to love people, what does that mean for how I view marriage?\u201d\u2014because they are saying: \u201cI want to follow the biblical worldview, but I don\u2019t want to be a bigot.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> Navigating those waters is really, really tricky for this generation.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> As a grownup, I\u2019m equipped a little better to handle that than a 14-year-old, who is trying to say, \u201cWho am I? Do people like me? How do I get people to like me? How do I fit in? How do I <em>not<\/em> be an outcast?\u201d We\u2019re saying, \u201cOh, you are going to follow Jesus, which is going to <em>make<\/em> you an outcast\u201d; and who wants to sign on for that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Well, don\u2019t you think that most of the time, though, our young people are, by their innate nature, a bit rebellious? I think young people are, by very nature, trying to find\/carve a new way that is somehow slightly countercultural.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> The culture is shifting now; it\u2019s actually embracing the views that the rebellious teenagers held two generations ago. Jesus was very countercultural. If you\u2019re looking for a countercultural role model, I think we\u2019ve got one on the pages of the New Testament.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think for parents today, it\u2019s really confusing. A practical question is: \u201cShould we put our kids in Christian schools?\u201d \u201cShould we be homeschooling them?\u201d or \u201cDo we put them in public school?\u201d I think so many young parents are trying to make those decisions, and they feel very lost.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s going to depend a lot on the quality of the public school, the quality of the private school, the resources to homeschool or not, and the nature of the young person. I\u2019ve seen Christian young people thrive in all of those different settings, and I\u2019ve seen them crash in all of those different settings.<\/p>\n<p>I think what parents have to do, if they send their kids to a public school: be involved, be engaged, build relationships with the teachers, find out what\u2019s being taught, and be really active in that relationship. If they homeschool, that has challenges. If you private school, that has challenges. I\u2019m not going to say you necessarily have to do one or the other, but I think parents need to be very <em>thoughtful<\/em> about this.<\/p>\n<p>They better find out <em>exactly<\/em> what is being taught. In schools right now, there are things being taught in the public schools, which you cannot opt out your kids, that are directly in contradiction with the Christian faith. Now, does that mean <em>no<\/em> Christian parents can send their kids there?\u2014that\u2019s not my point\u2014but if you do, be aware, be involved, and know exactly what you\u2019re getting into, and make sure there is a relationship there to counter some of the ideas that are coming.<\/p>\n<p>Think about this: Even homeschool parents today can\u2019t keep their kids from the ideas\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> \u2014in the culture.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> So, unfortunately,\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> \u2014we have to start those conversations\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> \u2014early.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> \u2014early.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> If we can control some of their consumption of this digital media\/if you have some parameters\u2014and there\u2019s enough technological changes right now that are out there that are designed to <em>protect<\/em> these platforms. If you will install them on your platforms, they will give you a good sense of what your kids are doing\u2014even resend them, by email screen shots, of what they are seeing on their phone\u2014that\u2019s pretty much a limiter for a lot of young people. If they think their parents are going to get a daily email, which are going to have screen shots from their phone, there are some ways to kind of set some boundaries\/some realistic boundaries. I think that\u2019s probably appropriate for us to do.<\/p>\n<p>We recognized that there are a lot of books that are written about: \u201cWhat is true\u2026\u201d This book, we wrote this time, is really: \u201cHow do you take what is true and practically engage your kids with it?\u201d It\u2019s a how-to book.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> And the book is called\u2014so our listeners will know\u2014<em>So the Next Generation Will Know<\/em> by Sean McDowell and J. Warner Wallace. As you said, it\u2019s practical; so let\u2019s make this practical. Let\u2019s get into: If you were sitting at a table, with a group of parents of middle school-\/high school-\/college-age students, and they are going, \u201cWe want our kids to thrive, and to embrace their faith, and to be able to defend their faith, and to hold fast to their faith,\u201d where do you start?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> Here are a couple of practical examples of things parents consider doing. Now, realize, kids are different; some things work for one kid and not for another. Part of the book is to say: \u201cHere are a bunch of tools you can try. Take what works, and throw out what doesn\u2019t.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>About a year\/year-and-a-half ago, my son wanted to see this movie about the rock band, Queen.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> And let\u2019s just acknowledge, for folks who don\u2019t know, Freddie Mercury was not a moral individual; right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> Yes; so I read stuff about it\u2014knew the rock band, Queen; saw their\u2014\u201cOkay; there are some things in this that are probably pushing a certain agenda.\u201d Read enough and said to my son\u2014he\u2019s14\u2014I said: \u201cOkay, you want to go see this movie. Here is the deal: I\u2019ll pay for it; and I\u2019ll take a friend, who is fine. All I ask\u2014I\u2019ll even buy a popcorn\u2014is when we\u2019re done, we just sit down; and I just want to know what you think about it: \u2018What did you see? What did you learn? Was Christianity presented? Were there any ideas that you thought were being preached to you? Was it good storytelling?\u2019\u2014just have a conversation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He goes, \u201cSure, Dad!\u201d We go to the movie; I paid for it. We came out afterwards; and probably 30 minutes, we sit down at our dinner table. I\u2019m like: \u201cWhat did you see? Did you ever feel they were preaching at you?\u201d He goes: \u201cOh, yes, Dad. In this one scene, they said something; they <em>never<\/em> would have said in the \u201880s,\u201d or whatever era it was. We just simply had a conversation about it. There are more opportunities, if we build a relationship, present if we will seize them.<\/p>\n<p>Another example is my daughter. This past summer\u2014she\u2019s 12\u2014wanted these Birkenstock shoes that are <em>not cheap<\/em>. [Laughter] She wanted them; I thought, \u201cWell, what if I can find a way, where she can get these, that I bring some value to this?\u201d I said: \u201cOkay, I\u2019ve got an idea. There are these short videos online,\u201d\u2014by a one of my favorite radio show hosts named Dennis Prager\u2014\u201cThey are on religion, and they are on culture and politics. They are four or five minutes.\u201d I said, \u201cIf you watch 50 of these, and you just write a summary of each one.\u201d She worked through all 50; got her the shoes. She learned a little bit about: things have a value; you work for something. We had all these worldview conversations.<\/p>\n<p>Now, my son just simply would <em>not<\/em> have done that\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> \u2014but my daughter did. When she\u2019s done, she\u2019s like, \u201cI don\u2019t think I\u2019d do that again.\u201d I said, \u201cThat\u2019s fine.\u201d It was a good experience.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> What do you say to the parent that says, \u201c<em>No way<\/em> am I letting my kids see <em>Bohemian Rhapsody<\/em> even if we have a discussion about it!\u201d? What would you say to that parent?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> I\u2019d say: \u201cWhy not?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> \u201cWhat are you afraid of?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> Look, if your kid is eight, I get it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> If your kid is <em>14 years old<\/em>, this is the world we live in; and it\u2019s not <em>endorsing<\/em> it, necessarily, by seeing that film. And there is not sex scenes that are explicit at all; it\u2019s language, and it\u2019s suggestive. There are certain films I\u2019d say, \u201cNo, we\u2019re not\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Of course.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cgoing to see this.\u201d You do have to be careful and read ahead of time; but the way my parents raised me is to look at this as an opportunity and not be afraid of it.<\/p>\n<p>I think what happens is when we say, \u201cThey are not watching <em>Bohemian Rhapsody<\/em>!\u201d\u2014it becomes a forbidden fruit. I just want to take that away from them and go: \u201cHey, I\u2019m not afraid of this. We\u2019ve got to have discernment; we\u2019ve got to have wisdom. Let\u2019s watch it and talk about it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Keep in mind, too, a basic principle here is we do not want our young people to engage bad ideas for the first time when they are not with us to help them navigate the bad idea.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> It\u2019s been said that one of the biggest challenges\u2014and we wrote a whole chapter on this\u2014is apathy. The biggest challenge to theism is not atheism but apathy-ism. I think there is a good argument to be made there. We have a sense: \u201cHe doesn\u2019t really care about this,\u201d and \u201cHow do we increase <em>passion<\/em> in our students?\u201d This is a challenge.<\/p>\n<p>But I would say the one thing we would offer\u2014as kind of an overarching principle that will change every conversation you will have with your kids\u2014we have a tendency, as parents, is to offer a lot of what\u2019s: \u201cWhat is true about the Bible?\u201d \u201cWhat does the Bible teach about this?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2019s true about God?\u201d \u201cWhat does God say about that?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2026?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2026?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2026?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2026?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2026? What\u2026?\u201d Instead, let\u2019s offer two why\u2019s for every what; and you will see your conversations change. You will see the interest in your students change\/in your kids change.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat does the Bible say about \u2018X\u2019?\u201d \u201cFine; what objective reason should I believe that the Bible is actually <em>accurate<\/em> on that issue?\u201d It\u2019s going to require us, as parents, to have a little bit more in our pocket than just \u201cThe Bible says so.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> It turns out we could make a case for everything that\u2019s claimed in the Bible, from both natural revelation and from special revelation. It\u2019s our choice if we\u2019re going to do that or not. That\u2019s the first why.<\/p>\n<p>The second why is, probably, even more important: \u201cOkay, so you\u2019ve made this claim about the Bible; and you\u2019ve given me some good evidence for why it might be true, but why should I care?\u201d That\u2019s a good question, I think.<\/p>\n<p>You know, it turns out this generation reports themselves\/they will identify themselves as the loneliest generation. Why is that the case? Well, it turns out that it\u2019s theological\u2014because under a Christian worldview, it turns out that your body matters. Being in the proximity of another physical body is what relationships are built on. Because you were created in the image of God, and He gave you both a body\u2014by the way, when we die, we don\u2019t go be a nonphysical beings; we have a resurrection body.<\/p>\n<p>It turns out I can make a case for <em>what<\/em> the Bible claims about this: <em>why<\/em> this is true, even if there was no Bible; and <em>why<\/em> it ought to matter to you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> It is interesting\u2014you\u2019ve already said\u2014that I, even as a parent, or as a youth pastor, or as anybody trying to influence the next generation\u2014they are not really going to listen to the why\u2019s even or the what\u2019s unless they feel\u2014and you started the book with this question\u2014that you love them. Isn\u2019t it interesting?<\/p>\n<p>I mean, as I looked at even how you broke the book up\u2014this generation is different; there is all kinds of different influences\u2014but when it comes down to the core, they are still asking the same question we still ask today, as adults\u2014but we definitely asked as a 12\/13-year-old\u2014\u201cDo you love me?\u201d and \u201cWill you show it?\u201d\u2014those are your two sections.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s like, \u201cHow do I reach my son and daughter?\u201d They are going to want to know, first, \u201cDo you love me?\u201d and then out of that relationship\u2014right?\u2014I love how you phrased it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> That\u2019s the heart of it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> I mean, at its core, I think this generation wants to be called \u201cthe beloved\u201d; that\u2019s their heart. We all do; and especially in light of this loneliness\u2014especially in light of distractions\/especially in light of the constant pressures and anxiety\u2014in their heart, they just want to be known as the beloved of an adult, who steps in and says: \u201cI care about you,\u201d and \u201cI\u2019m going to help you be everything God has designed you to be.\u201d They might not show the immediate response they want to; but that is making a difference in their life and, more often than not, bears fruit in the long run.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s the most important thing that we can really end on\u2014is that fact. My mom recently passed away; she was 90 years old. We recently just celebrated her life. For her celebration, there are 12 grandsons\u2014no granddaughters\u2014only grandsons, ages 28 to 41. All stood up and gave her a tribute and talked about the impact that she had made on their lives\u2014every one.<\/p>\n<p>It really wasn\u2019t about her worldview; it wasn\u2019t about how she was such a theologian\u2014although she lived her faith\u2014it was that she loved them; she saw them; she played with them; she made them laugh. They said: \u201cWhen she sat down with us, she looked at us in the eye; and she said, \u201cI love you. I love how God made you; I\u2019m so proud of you.\u201d Basically, she said, \u201cYou are my beloved.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> Wow.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019m telling you\u2014these 12 boys would give their lives for her. That\u2019s what really matters is: \u201cDo we love them?\u201d\u2014because we can make it so complicated and fearful, as parents, thinking: \u201cI need all of these answers. I need to know apologetics. I need this worldview.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It really comes down to: \u201cWill you spend time with them? Will you be with them?\u2014engage in their questions and their dialogue.\u201d They just want somebody to see them\/to love them. Maybe, if we don\u2019t know the answers, we can help them find the answers.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s not that the apologetics don\u2019t matter; obviously,\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014we\u2019re sitting here with two apologetics guys,\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Exactly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014who are giving their lives to saying: \u201cThese truth claims do matter.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cand both are important.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> But if you don\u2019t have a foundation to communicate that\u2014what\u2019s the old line?\u2014\u201cThey don\u2019t care how much you know until they know how much you care\u201d; right? All the way through your book, you weave the idea that: \u201cThis is how you love: You love this way by sharing truth, by engaging, by being there\u201d; but it\u2019s all with this foundation of: \u201cYes; I really do care, and I respect you. I\u2019m going to listen to you, and we\u2019re going to have a relationship. In the context of that, we\u2019re going to talk about what a biblical worldview looks like; because you\u2019re going to face some headwinds, and you\u2019re going to have to stand in the midst of those headwinds.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Just like you, Sean, when you were 19 years old, you may think, \u201cI\u2019m not sure I believe all of this stuff.\u201d \u201cThat\u2019s okay; think deeply about it.\u201d Our conviction\/your conviction is: \u201cIf people will think clearly about the Bible, the Bible is going to validate itself.\u201d Who was it?\u2014I think it was Spurgeon, who they asked him if he would debate the Bible. He said: \u201cI don\u2019t need to debate the Bible. Just take it off its leash\u2014it\u2019s like a bulldog; it\u2019ll defend itself,\u201d\u2014the claims of Christ hold up under intellectual scrutiny.<\/p>\n<p>But the foundation of love\u2014we started this whole conversation by talking about the fact\u2014John 1:14\u2014Jesus came; He was full of grace and truth. If our parenting\/if our Christianity is not full of grace and truth, there is something deficient; and we\u2019ve got to be full of both.<\/p>\n<p>You guys have helped equip us in both areas, and we\u2019re grateful for the book. We\u2019re grateful for you being here. Thanks for being on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> So glad to be here.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sean:<\/strong> Thank you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> And guys, there are a ton of parents I\u2019m thinking of right now who need this book and <em>realize<\/em> they need this book. They can go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, to order the book, <em>So the Next Generation Will Know<\/em>, by Sean McDowell and J. Warner Wallace. There is also a participant\u2019s guide. You can get together with other parents and go through eight sessions, where you interact and talk about how you\u2019re going to do this with your kids\u2014great for a small group or a Sunday school class.<\/p>\n<p>Again, find the information on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can order from us online or call to order: 1-800-FL-TODAY is the number. The title of the book, one more time, <em>So the Next Generation Will Know<\/em>. Order, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Again, I want to point you back to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com. At the beginning of today\u2019s program, David Robbins, the president of FamilyLife, joined us to talk about how we can be praying together\u2014as a family, as individuals, brothers and sisters in Christ\u2014in the middle of issues that we are facing as a nation. The article David wrote on that and the prayer prompts that he provided are available online at FamilyLifeToday.com.<\/p>\n<p>Let\u2019s take this assignment seriously. Let\u2019s make sure we are spending time praying for our nation\/praying for the Spirit of God to be poured out on us in our day. It\u2019s clear we need God to do a work in our midst. I hope, again, you go to FamilyLifeToday.com and get a copy of David\u2019s article and pray through it this weekend.<\/p>\n<p>And with that, we\u2019ve got to wrap things up for this week. Thanks for being with us. I hope you have a great weekend. I hope you and your family are able to worship together with your local church, one way or another, this weekend; and I hope you can join us back on Monday. We\u2019ll introduce you to a couple who, at one point in their marriage, realized they had to deal with what had been a hidden trauma: a wife who had experienced sexual abuse and never told anyone. That finally came to light in a pretty dramatic way. We\u2019ll introduce you to Bill and Pamela Ronzheimer on Monday. I hope you can be here for that.<\/p>\n<p>I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Have a <em>wonderful<\/em> weekend. We will see you Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. 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