{"id":306028,"date":"2020-05-22T07:00:04","date_gmt":"2020-05-22T11:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/from-mess-to-mission\/"},"modified":"2025-06-30T13:12:06","modified_gmt":"2025-06-30T17:12:06","slug":"from-mess-to-mission","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/from-mess-to-mission\/","title":{"rendered":"From Mess to Mission"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>| After dating only five months, and finding out they were expecting, Tim and Kathy Bush got married. They admit they had more lows than highs over the first 27 years of marriage. When Tim&#8217;s brother was diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer, and his nephew committed suicide, Tim&#8217;s life began to spiral downward. It wasn&#8217;t until a friend encouraged him to read the Bible each night with Kathy, and to abstain from alcohol, that their marriage started to take an upward turn. 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I didn\u2019t\/I never understood the Bible; I would try to read it. We finally said, \u201cLet\u2019s quit drinking for one month\u201d; and in that month, as we quit drinking and we were reading the Bible, things were starting to change. We sat down with a piece of paper at the end of the month and wrote the good things about not drinking and the bad things about not drinking. We couldn\u2019t find anything that was bad about not drinking; things were so good. We decided we\u2019re just not drinking. We haven\u2019t drunk, now, for nine-and-some years; and it just keeps getting better.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, May 22<sup>nd<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I\u2019m Bob Lepine. You\u2019ll find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019re going to hear today how God got a hold of Tim and Kathy Bush\u2019s marriage and changed them from being a mission field to being missionaries. Stay with us.<\/p>\n<p>And welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. Our listeners are going to get to meet a couple of friends of yours today, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, Tim and Kathy Bush.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> We <em>love<\/em> these guys. They have an amazing story\u2014good friends.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> They do. Tim and Kathy live in eastern Washington.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014been to their house many times.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you\u2019ve done events that they\u2019ve brought you in to speak at. It really is a remarkable story because\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, unbelievable story. They came up to us on the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> cruise. We had never met them; they came to our autograph table. I\u2019m sitting there, like, \u201cNobody wants our autograph.\u201d He walks up and goes, \u201cYes, I don\u2019t want your autograph; I don\u2019t care. But I want you two to come to our church and do a marriage retreat for us.\u201d We ended up doing three or four in a row\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014for years. Here is the thing about them. They are not about their marriage. They are about telling God\u2019s redemptive story in their marriage to impact others, and they are impacting <em>thousands<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> They are a couple, who have gone from the worst place you can be in a marriage\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014to healing to ministry.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> In fact, here at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, we\u2019re hoping that more and more couples, who have been in bad places, can get to healing\u2014that\u2019s what we are all about\u2014but we don\u2019t want you to just to stop there. We want <em>you<\/em> to take your healing\u2014you mentioned this a few days ago when we were talking: 2 Corinthians, Chapter 1\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014 \u201cComfort others with the comfort you\u2019ve received from Christ.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; in some ways, when God blesses you, I think rarely does He just have you in mind.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> He wants us to be a <em>blessing<\/em> to others, and that\u2019s what Tim and Kathy are doing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let\u2019s meet Tim and Kathy, hear their story, and hear how God is using them in the lives of others, not just in eastern Washington, but all around the country.<\/p>\n<p>[Previous <em>Love Like You Mean<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> Cruise Interview]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> So how long into 37 years of marriage before you went, \u201cOh, this is going to be more challenging than I realized\u201d?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> I was going to say, \u201cYes, the first night.\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> The first night?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> On our honeymoon, yes\u2014[Laughter]\u2014the <em>very<\/em> first night.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> I was <em>sure<\/em> we made a mistake. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> I second that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> So the first night, both of you were\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014in isolation?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Yes, so we\u2014I was 18; Tim was 20. We got pregnant, and then we got married; so we only knew each other for five months?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> Five months and five days, from our first date,\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014we got married.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Was there something particular the first night that made you go, \u201cThis is going to be hard\u201d?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Yes; Tim\u2014we went to the beach\u2014and Tim got us a room with a kitchen. He thought I was going to <em>cook<\/em>. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> I did buy food. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay; well, I can see why this got off track. [Laughter] As you look at the first 20 years of marriage, would you say, \u201cRoller coaster\/highs and lows,\u201d or would you say, \u201cMore dips than highs\u201d?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> I would say more dips than highs for 27 years.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201427 years?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> \u2014for 27 years, yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you know your marriage was <em>not<\/em> good?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> I would say I thought it was <em>great<\/em>, because Kathy had everything she would want. She had new cars, new houses; we went on vacations. We had some great experiences as a family. I mean, what else could she possibly want?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> But didn\u2019t she ever say, \u201cThis is\u2014I\u2019m not happy\u201d?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> All the time, yes. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> I never heard it that way.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> He would ask me, \u201cWhat can I do to make you happy?\u201d I couldn\u2019t tell him; I didn\u2019t know. Throughout this 27 years, we were in and out of counselors. We were\/we were doing everything we could; we were searching. There was drugs and alcohol; there was infidelity. There was\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014on both sides.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> \u2014on both sides. There was never a day that we both said we wanted a divorce.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> My mom was married <em>nine<\/em> times; and two of her husbands abused me\/put me in the hospital from beating me. Then, when I was 12, one of those husbands told her he wouldn\u2019t marry a woman with kids; so she gave me up to my grandparents.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> My pop was a player; he had girlfriends. From a 12-year affair, he divorced my grandma then after 37 years of marriage when I was 18. Needless to say, I was not marriage material.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> You didn\u2019t have a model.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> I did not have a model.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> You didn\u2019t have anything. And you didn\u2019t have much?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> I had\u2014my parents were long-term married.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> I would say I was raised going to church\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> \u2014but it was only on Sundays. I never saw my parents open a Bible. We prayed at meals. There were seven kids. I was raised where there was no talk of college; there was really no talk of future. It was, when you turned 18,\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014you get married.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> \u2014you get married when you find a man. I found a man\/I saw a man; and he had cars, and money, and a house. [Laughter] You know, I thought that was it; I thought that was going to be the ticket.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> What brought the turning point for you guys?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> The turning point for us\u2014we had, in 2008\u2014still not Christians\u2014we were going to church 1.3 times a month, like a lot of people do.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> We had gone through a time when the economy was starting to change, I saw in 2008. I had five businesses; a couple hundred employees. I noticed that my brother Ned, who was 43 years old at the time\u2014he was\/he was in this thing that I was doing: a construction company called Bush Construction. We were going to build my own kingdom here on earth; that\u2019s what my plan was: a hundred buildings in ten years; millions of dollars we were going to make.<\/p>\n<p>I noticed that my brother had a limp, and that limp turned into his hand falling off the computer, to it turned into his foot falling off the left driver\u2019s pedal. About three weeks later, we found out that it was Stage 4 Glioblastoma; and they said, \u201cNed, you\u2019ve got anywhere from a few months to, maybe, a couple of years to live.\u201d That was in July of \u201908. During that time, I started drinking a lot heavier than normal; and my brother never worked anymore. He had a wife and a six-year-old daughter.<\/p>\n<p>And then, about two months later, our nephew \u2014 he took his life.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh man!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> At his funeral, I felt myself getting sick to the point, where I was having anxiety\/couldn\u2019t sleep. In the month of December of \u201908, I say I never even slept a minute the whole month.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> At this time, this husband\u2014who controlled <em>everything<\/em>, including me\u2014all of a sudden, I saw this change in him, and he had no control over anything. I remember a moment\u2014because our parents kind of lived\/they knew all the stuff that was going on\u2014I remember my mom coming over. She\u2014Tim was having anxiety\u2014and she asked me how long I was going to stay with him, because she <em>knew<\/em> our history. There was something in me that I saw this change in him; and it was like: \u201cI\u2019m going to stay. I mean, something is different here.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> What I saw from Kath at that point\u2014she came up in the bedroom; and she said, \u201cI want you to know what Mom just said. Mom just said that I should probably leave you while the going is good.\u201d She said, \u201cBut I want you to know, if we lose everything we have, I\u2019m not going anywhere.\u201d Really\u2014I\u2019ve got to tell you\u2014for the very first time in my life, I felt unconditional love. That was <em>huge<\/em> for me.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019re into \u201909 at this point, and I\u2019m on some heavy-duty drugs from a doctor this time; but I\u2019m also taking other drugs, and I\u2019m also drinking heavily. I\u2019m starting to read the Bible, like 70 pages a night, and getting nothing from it in my mind.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Imagine. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes, yes. [Laughter] So, my brother dies on February 28<sup>th<\/sup>. He didn\u2019t even last six months. He died on February 28 of 2009, and we went to Mexico.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> He\u2019s got a really good friend in Mexico that actually came to me and said, \u201cKathy, is Tim okay?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cNo, he\u2019s not okay. I don\u2019t know what to do\u201d; he had asked his friend to get him some pain killers.<\/p>\n<p>This guy that Tim had talked to\u2014he had asked him if he was reading the Bible. He told him, \u201cWhy don\u2019t you slow down and read a Proverb a day?\u201d We got home from Mexico, and Tim asked me if I would start reading the Bible with him and read a Proverb a day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> We started reading a Proverb every day and then a Psalm a day. Then we started reading the New Testament. Well, then, I was going to a pastor at our church for grief counseling. He\u2019s the same guy that led my brother through his death.<\/p>\n<p>After four or five times [of counseling], he comes in; and he closes the door behind me. He says: \u201cI need to talk to you about this; I could lose my job over this. You need to get out of this church. You need to go find yourself a Jesus-loving, Bible-teaching church. The Lord has got a calling on your life, and it\u2019s a <em>big<\/em> calling. It\u2019s not here; you\u2019re not going to find it here. You need to get out of here.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> I went home and told Kath, \u201cWhat do you think about looking for another church?\u201d She goes, \u201cI\u2019m in; let\u2019s do it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Then, at that point, we decided\/we finally said, \u201cLet\u2019s quit drinking for one month\u201d; and in that month, as we quit drinking and we\u2019re reading the Bible, things are starting to change. We were so mired in sin that I couldn\u2019t see anything. I didn\u2019t\/I never understood the Bible; I would try to read it.<\/p>\n<p>But as we\u2019re reading it, I mean, I\u2019m just feeling this huge change; I\u2019m feeling light. We sat down a month later, after we had spent\u2014and we were reading a Proverb; we were reading Psalms\u2014we started reading the Gospels, and we just were like hungry.<\/p>\n<p>We sat down with a piece of paper at the end of the month and wrote the good things about not drinking and the bad things about not drinking. We couldn\u2019t find anything that was bad about not drinking; things were so good. We decided, \u201cYou know, we\u2019re just not drinking.\u201d We haven\u2019t drunk now for nine-and-some years.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> It just keeps getting better.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> We\u2019re not drinking now. About three months, we go to a Kenny G concert. I realize I\u2019m still full of anxiety\u2014not as bad as I was\u2014but still not drinking and still reading God\u2019s Word. Well, then, we went to a Christian concert; and we didn\u2019t know it was Christian. It was a Christmas concert, and literally, that\u2019s\/we got saved; got baptized the next year. The Lord had a plan\/that calling we figured out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, that transformation in your lives led to a reprioritization of <em>everything<\/em> about your lives that has led to an engagement in ministry, where our paths have crossed and where we\u2019ve been working together. This burden started\u2014you wanted to help other couples, who were in distress the way you\u2019d been in distress\u2014and part of it was because people were seeing a change in you\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and come, say, \u201cWhat\u2019s going on?\u201d Tell us a little about that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> We were going to this church; we\u2019re starting to serve. Tim starts talking about sharing our story and helping other couples. I\u2019m a little hesitant because I didn\u2019t want to get up in front of people and share. We did\/we did our first class\u2014a marriage class. I told Tim: \u201cOkay; I will sit there with you. You can do it; you can do all the talking. I\u2019ll sit there.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I sat there the first night, and we got in the car that night. I started telling him what he should have said and what he needs to say in the next week. [Laughter] I kept going on and on. I finally looked at him; and I said: \u201cYou know what? I can talk! I\u2019ll start talking.\u201d [Laughter] So I started talking, and that was the start of marriage ministry.<\/p>\n<p>It got\/it got more and more that we were doing more and more marriage stuff. We got called to a bigger church, and he really wanted to grow it. My thought was: \u201cOkay; if we\u2019re going to do this, we need to get some training.\u201d So I googled, \u201cMarriage conferences\/Christian marriage conferences\u201d; and that\u2019s how I found <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> six years ago; I signed up for that. Then I found the cruise, and I signed up for that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> The reason\u2014what really drove us to marriage ministry, even go deeper\u2014is we went to a Catalyst Conference, actually. Craig Groeschel said, \u201cI cannot believe how, in the church\u2014how messed up people are,\u201d meaning that there was infidelity in churches and by the leadership. They\u2019d gone through it and were sharing about it. It\u2019s in <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Week 5, by the way.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> So we\/I was really committed to bringing it to the church and bringing it to leadership. We had this all planned out: man plans, and God laughs.<\/p>\n<p>We go to this <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> thing, and we find this thing called the <em>Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><br \/>\n[FamilyLife video series]. I called our senior pastor; I said: \u201cDave, I think this is a God-thing. There is something here that I think we should be using and not what we were going to use. I just think\u2014what do you think?\u201d He said: \u201cWell, if you think it\u2019s a God- thing, so do I. Let\u2019s just do it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We brought <em>bags<\/em> of stuff home, including the book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>. It\u2019s really changed everything in the trajectory of what we\u2019ve done and how we\u2019ve done it, and how the Lord has worked in it, and blessed it, and continues to bless it. That\u2019s that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> You guys have started doing regular <em>Art of Marriage<\/em> events and classes, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Right. Yes, we mainly do the small group six weeks; we do it as a large group. The first one we did was\u2014you\u2019re the number guys\u2014how many people?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> We had 61 couples the first time.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> \u201461 couples the <em>first<\/em> time. Then the room wasn\u2019t quite big enough so we kind of condensed it. What we do is: we set it up in small groups, like a date night; and we have dinner. Then Tim and I will share bits of our story. Then we add\u2014we kind of modeled it off of <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> with the videos; it\u2019s like two-and-a-half hours. There is childcare provided. We have ongoing\/we do that a couple times a year. We did it three times the first year.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> We\u2019ve also done the day-and-a-half. We condensed it down to one day, and so probably close to 2,000 people.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow. You\u2019ve done it, not only in eastern Washington, but you\u2019ve been places all around the country.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Yes; our kids were in Aiken, South Carolina; so we went down to Aiken and did an event.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> In fact, tell them how the Aiken event happened.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> So the Aiken event\u2014this is\u2014I just told Bob this; he just heard it. I\/we were in Aiken, seeing our kids. I wanted to see the pastor and tell him what we did. He walks into Starbucks; and he said, \u201cI\u2019ve got five minutes.\u201d \u201cOkay.\u201d I told him what we did; and he said, \u201cOkay; so, what\u2019s it cost?\u201d I said: \u201cWell, we don\u2019t charge; God redeemed our marriage, and we don\u2019t charge. We could never charge for it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He started weeping; he said, \u201cMy associate pastor and I, just last week, were saying, \u2018We <em>have<\/em> to do something for marriages; we just don\u2019t know what to do.\u2019 The worst part is we have no budget for it. That was just last week\u2014prayer answered.\u201d Anyway, 30 minutes later, we were planning\u2014after that five minutes got up\u2014we were planning an <em>Art of Marriage<\/em>. There [were] a hundred couples there. Last I heard, they still have a marriage ministry going on in that church\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Great.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014from that one Saturday we were there.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> You have done <em>Art of Marriage<\/em>. Then you started taking guys through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014around 600 guys through <em>Stepping Up<\/em>. It\u2019s really easy to do that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> I <em>love<\/em> the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> thing. Well, first off, did you\/did they get any pictures of the building?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> We haven\u2019t gotten to the building yet; we\u2019ll get to the building.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Okay. Because of the building that\u2019s been built that\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ll do it now.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> So you built basically the ultimate man cave\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Tim built a man cave.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014the war room.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s got some old cars in it, and Tim has groups of guys in there. He\u2019s got, now, a core leadership group that he\u2014well, he started this\u2014this is funny, because he started it. We\u2019re going shopping at Costco, and he\u2019s buying all the food. The next week, we\u2019re at Costco, buying all the food. I\u2019m like: \u201cWhy are you buying all the food all the time?! Why don\u2019t you delegate this to the guys?\u201d He gets all the meat for the guys; then they bring all the chips and everything guys want.<\/p>\n<p>What I love about this\/what I love about this is I think it\u2019s a precursor to <em>Art of Marriage<\/em> because, on Week 8?\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014I bring my special guest in\/the secret weapon.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> \u2014he brings <em>me<\/em> in. I get to tell the guys how <em>cool<\/em> it would be if they invited their <em>wives<\/em> to <em>Art of Marriage. <\/em>I think that\u2019s the way it should be. Instead of being in a church, announcing <em>Art of Marriage<\/em>, and the wife going like this [encouraging husband to go]; you\u2019ve got these guys that have been learning how to step up. Now, they are going to invite their wives to <em>Art of Marriage<\/em>. I <em>love<\/em> what he\u2019s doing at the war room with them.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> As you look at taking 600 guys through <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, taking <em>thousands<\/em> of couples through <em>Art of Marriage<\/em>, now, you\u2019re starting to take people through <em>Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. Like I said, this has reprioritized your life. Tell me what the last six years have been like for you guys.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> For me, they\u2019ve had a lot more, well, Christ-centeredness in everything we do. We\u2019re doing everything with Christ in mind instead of self. So, it\u2014it\u2019s just much more powerful.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Kathy, what has this meant to you?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Oh, well, it\u2019s just\u2014since the last six\/seven\/eight years?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014six years, yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Our lives just totally changed. I mean, a lot of\u2014some people will ask me, \u201cHow can you share what you share?\u201d It\u2019s like, \u201cWell, we\u2019re just not those people anymore\u201d; so we can share, and people can come to us and share their stories.<\/p>\n<p>We know that there is hope. We know\/and I know, when I sat in <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>, it was the first conference I went to that it validated that: \u201cHey, we\u2019re doing the right thing.\u201d We knew that the answer to a great marriage is Jesus, and we had found it. It was just reaffirming that we are doing the right thing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Don\u2019t you guys love stories like this? Isn\u2019t this amazing? [Applause] Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>[Studio]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, again, we\u2019ve been listening to a conversation with our friends, Tim and Kathy Bush.<\/p>\n<p>Ann, as she was talking, I\u2019m thinking of the listener, who is going, \u201cI could <em>never<\/em> be as transparent about the <em>mess<\/em> of our past; because it\u2019s still too embarrassing, humiliating, shameful,\u201d\u2014all the words you\u2019d attach to it. You\u2019ve felt some of that, but you\u2019ve found your way past it to be open and transparent about your own marriage difficulties.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> And I know Kathy well\u2014and I know, even with me\u2014when God takes our <em>mess<\/em> and He transforms it, it can become our message. So you\u2019re not embarrassed to say, \u201cThis is what happened to me, because God has done a real miracle and transformation in our lives.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>For Dave and me, it really has changed everything. Even sitting with Tim and Kathy at their home, this was so fun; because they were like, \u201cHey, we want you guys to be a part of our lives; so come and spend time with us.\u201d Every morning, we\u2019d sit and we\u2019d talk to God; we\u2019d pray and we\u2019d have our devotional. Remember that? It was so fun!\u2014because they are living it out every single day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, I\u2019ve got to tell you\u2014Tim and Kathy\u2014they are a breath of fresh air, because they are so honest. You can see where they\u2019ve been, and you can see the redemptive resurrection power of God in a couple\u2019s life. That inspires others to think, \u201cWe can have hope.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, think about this: \u201cWhat if a thousand people listening would say, \u2018We\u2019ve got a mess\u2019?\u201d\u2014because, like you said, Ann, if you\u2019ve got a mess, you\u2019ve got a message\u2014what if they would say, \u201cWe\u2019ll find some way to connect with other couples; and together, we can work on our marriages\u201d?<\/p>\n<p>You guys just finished up last night, Session 2, of the three-week <em>Vertical Marriage <\/em>online small group that you\u2019ve been doing. Anybody can do that; you can set up an online small group and get together, virtually, with people. Actually, Step 1 now\/I\u2019m hearing people say, \u201cStep 1, in starting to reengage with church, is to do a small group meeting with ten or fewer people in a living room, appropriate distancing.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Get a copy of the <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series or the <em>Art of Marriage<\/em> or <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>\u2014the resources we\u2019ve put together, here at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014and get some other couples together and say, \u201cComing out of what we\u2019ve been going through,\u201d\u2014and let\u2019s hope we\u2019re coming out of it, right?\u2014\u201cBut coming out of everything here, we need to make sure that the foundation is strong\/that our marriages are strong as we go forward.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Go to FamilyLifeToday.com for information about the <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> video series with Dave and Ann Wilson, about the <em>Art of Marriage<\/em>, about other resources we have available, here at FamilyLife, and think about how you can do what Tim and Kathy Bush did and just start to engage with others and say: \u201cWe have not done this perfectly. We\u2019re still not doing it perfectly; but we need help, and we need other people around us. We think it will benefit all of us if we do this together.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Again, go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, for more information on the resources we have available. If we can help you somehow know how to set up a virtual small group, we\u2019d be happy to do that. Again, information is available, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And we want to ask you one other thing; and that is, \u201cCan you help us over the next seven\/eight days?\u201d Here, in the month of May, we\u2019ve had friends of the ministry, who have come to us and said they will match every donation we receive this month, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $345,000. As you might imagine, that\u2019s a significant opportunity for us at a time when the money would be extremely helpful. If you are a longtime listener of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, would you consider making a donation, knowing that that donation, right now, is going to be matched dollar for dollar?<\/p>\n<p>Let me also add: if you are a regular listener, would you consider becoming a monthly Legacy Partner? Every Legacy Partner donation we receive over the next 12 months\u2014if you are new Legacy Partner\u2014your donation is going to be matched, dollar for dollar, for an entire year. And we\u2019ll send you, as a new Legacy Partner, a certificate so you and your spouse can attend a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway when those begin back up. We\u2019re planning to do that this fall, Lord willing; and we\u2019d <em>love<\/em> to see you at a getaway; or you can pass on the gift card to someone else you know if you\u2019d like to give the weekend away to a friend or to, maybe, one of your adult children.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s easy to donate or to become a Legacy Partner. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com, and the information is available there; or call us at 1-800-FL-TODAY. We can get you all set up over the phone. Anyone who donates today or becomes a new Legacy Partner, we\u2019d like to send you, as a thank-you gift, a copy of Barbara Rainey\u2019s new book, <em>My Heart Ever His<\/em>, a wonderful collection of prayers that I think you\u2019re going to find very encouraging as you get this beautiful new book. Again, it\u2019s our thank-you gift when you donate today by going online at FamilyLifeToday.com or by calling 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d Thanks, in advance, for whatever you are able to do; and thanks for helping us take advantage of the matching-gift opportunity.<\/p>\n<p>Now, we hope you have a great weekend. Hope you and your family are able to worship together somehow this weekend; and I hope you can join us on Monday. That\u2019s Memorial Day, here in the United States. We\u2019re going to talk about what a husband can do when his wife doesn\u2019t trust him anymore. How do you build back trust when trust has been violated? Shaunti Feldhahn and Brian Goins are going to join us to talk about all of that. I hope you can be with us for that.<\/p>\n<p>I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>We are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?<\/p>\n<p>Copyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2020 FamilyLife. 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dating only five months, and finding out they were expecting, Tim and Kathy Bush got married. They tell how they went from being self-focused to experiencing a Christ-focused marriage.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"<ul>\n<li>Art of Marriage, Stepping Up and Vertical Marriage studies are online at <a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/small-group-studies\/\">https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/small-group-studies\/<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Find resources from this podcast at https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/product-category\/past-radio-resources\/<\/li>\n<li>Check out all that's available on the FamilyLife Podcast Network.\u00a0 https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/familylife-podcast-network\/<\/li>\n<li>Have the FamilyLife Today\u00ae podcast and resources helped you?\u00a0 Consider becoming a Legacy Partner, a monthly supporter of FamilyLife.\u00a0https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/legacy<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2020-05-22r.pdf","transcript_content":"<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Tim and Kathy Bush\u2019s marriage was a <em>mess<\/em> for a lot of reasons, but Kathy says one of the reasons was because of alcohol.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> We were so mired in sin that I couldn\u2019t see anything. I didn\u2019t\/I never understood the Bible; I would try to read it. We finally said, \u201cLet\u2019s quit drinking for one month\u201d; and in that month, as we quit drinking and we were reading the Bible, things were starting to change. We sat down with a piece of paper at the end of the month and wrote the good things about not drinking and the bad things about not drinking. We couldn\u2019t find anything that was bad about not drinking; things were so good. We decided we\u2019re just not drinking. We haven\u2019t drunk, now, for nine-and-some years; and it just keeps getting better.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, May 22<sup>nd<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I\u2019m Bob Lepine. You\u2019ll find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019re going to hear today how God got a hold of Tim and Kathy Bush\u2019s marriage and changed them from being a mission field to being missionaries. Stay with us.<\/p>\n<p>And welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. Our listeners are going to get to meet a couple of friends of yours today, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, Tim and Kathy Bush.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> We <em>love<\/em> these guys. They have an amazing story\u2014good friends.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> They do. Tim and Kathy live in eastern Washington.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014been to their house many times.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you\u2019ve done events that they\u2019ve brought you in to speak at. It really is a remarkable story because\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, unbelievable story. They came up to us on the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> cruise. We had never met them; they came to our autograph table. I\u2019m sitting there, like, \u201cNobody wants our autograph.\u201d He walks up and goes, \u201cYes, I don\u2019t want your autograph; I don\u2019t care. But I want you two to come to our church and do a marriage retreat for us.\u201d We ended up doing three or four in a row\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014for years. Here is the thing about them. They are not about their marriage. They are about telling God\u2019s redemptive story in their marriage to impact others, and they are impacting <em>thousands<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> They are a couple, who have gone from the worst place you can be in a marriage\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014to healing to ministry.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> In fact, here at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, we\u2019re hoping that more and more couples, who have been in bad places, can get to healing\u2014that\u2019s what we are all about\u2014but we don\u2019t want you to just to stop there. We want <em>you<\/em> to take your healing\u2014you mentioned this a few days ago when we were talking: 2 Corinthians, Chapter 1\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014 \u201cComfort others with the comfort you\u2019ve received from Christ.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; in some ways, when God blesses you, I think rarely does He just have you in mind.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> He wants us to be a <em>blessing<\/em> to others, and that\u2019s what Tim and Kathy are doing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let\u2019s meet Tim and Kathy, hear their story, and hear how God is using them in the lives of others, not just in eastern Washington, but all around the country.<\/p>\n<p>[Previous <em>Love Like You Mean<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> Cruise Interview]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> So how long into 37 years of marriage before you went, \u201cOh, this is going to be more challenging than I realized\u201d?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> I was going to say, \u201cYes, the first night.\u201d [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> The first night?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> On our honeymoon, yes\u2014[Laughter]\u2014the <em>very<\/em> first night.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> I was <em>sure<\/em> we made a mistake. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> I second that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> So the first night, both of you were\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014in isolation?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Yes, so we\u2014I was 18; Tim was 20. We got pregnant, and then we got married; so we only knew each other for five months?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> Five months and five days, from our first date,\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014we got married.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Was there something particular the first night that made you go, \u201cThis is going to be hard\u201d?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Yes; Tim\u2014we went to the beach\u2014and Tim got us a room with a kitchen. He thought I was going to <em>cook<\/em>. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> I did buy food. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay; well, I can see why this got off track. [Laughter] As you look at the first 20 years of marriage, would you say, \u201cRoller coaster\/highs and lows,\u201d or would you say, \u201cMore dips than highs\u201d?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> I would say more dips than highs for 27 years.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201427 years?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> \u2014for 27 years, yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you know your marriage was <em>not<\/em> good?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> I would say I thought it was <em>great<\/em>, because Kathy had everything she would want. She had new cars, new houses; we went on vacations. We had some great experiences as a family. I mean, what else could she possibly want?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> But didn\u2019t she ever say, \u201cThis is\u2014I\u2019m not happy\u201d?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> All the time, yes. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> I never heard it that way.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> He would ask me, \u201cWhat can I do to make you happy?\u201d I couldn\u2019t tell him; I didn\u2019t know. Throughout this 27 years, we were in and out of counselors. We were\/we were doing everything we could; we were searching. There was drugs and alcohol; there was infidelity. There was\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014on both sides.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> \u2014on both sides. There was never a day that we both said we wanted a divorce.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> My mom was married <em>nine<\/em> times; and two of her husbands abused me\/put me in the hospital from beating me. Then, when I was 12, one of those husbands told her he wouldn\u2019t marry a woman with kids; so she gave me up to my grandparents.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> My pop was a player; he had girlfriends. From a 12-year affair, he divorced my grandma then after 37 years of marriage when I was 18. Needless to say, I was not marriage material.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> You didn\u2019t have a model.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> I did not have a model.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> You didn\u2019t have anything. And you didn\u2019t have much?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> I had\u2014my parents were long-term married.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> I would say I was raised going to church\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> \u2014but it was only on Sundays. I never saw my parents open a Bible. We prayed at meals. There were seven kids. I was raised where there was no talk of college; there was really no talk of future. It was, when you turned 18,\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014you get married.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> \u2014you get married when you find a man. I found a man\/I saw a man; and he had cars, and money, and a house. [Laughter] You know, I thought that was it; I thought that was going to be the ticket.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> What brought the turning point for you guys?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> The turning point for us\u2014we had, in 2008\u2014still not Christians\u2014we were going to church 1.3 times a month, like a lot of people do.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> We had gone through a time when the economy was starting to change, I saw in 2008. I had five businesses; a couple hundred employees. I noticed that my brother Ned, who was 43 years old at the time\u2014he was\/he was in this thing that I was doing: a construction company called Bush Construction. We were going to build my own kingdom here on earth; that\u2019s what my plan was: a hundred buildings in ten years; millions of dollars we were going to make.<\/p>\n<p>I noticed that my brother had a limp, and that limp turned into his hand falling off the computer, to it turned into his foot falling off the left driver\u2019s pedal. About three weeks later, we found out that it was Stage 4 Glioblastoma; and they said, \u201cNed, you\u2019ve got anywhere from a few months to, maybe, a couple of years to live.\u201d That was in July of \u201908. During that time, I started drinking a lot heavier than normal; and my brother never worked anymore. He had a wife and a six-year-old daughter.<\/p>\n<p>And then, about two months later, our nephew \u2014 he took his life.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh man!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> At his funeral, I felt myself getting sick to the point, where I was having anxiety\/couldn\u2019t sleep. In the month of December of \u201908, I say I never even slept a minute the whole month.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> At this time, this husband\u2014who controlled <em>everything<\/em>, including me\u2014all of a sudden, I saw this change in him, and he had no control over anything. I remember a moment\u2014because our parents kind of lived\/they knew all the stuff that was going on\u2014I remember my mom coming over. She\u2014Tim was having anxiety\u2014and she asked me how long I was going to stay with him, because she <em>knew<\/em> our history. There was something in me that I saw this change in him; and it was like: \u201cI\u2019m going to stay. I mean, something is different here.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> What I saw from Kath at that point\u2014she came up in the bedroom; and she said, \u201cI want you to know what Mom just said. Mom just said that I should probably leave you while the going is good.\u201d She said, \u201cBut I want you to know, if we lose everything we have, I\u2019m not going anywhere.\u201d Really\u2014I\u2019ve got to tell you\u2014for the very first time in my life, I felt unconditional love. That was <em>huge<\/em> for me.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019re into \u201909 at this point, and I\u2019m on some heavy-duty drugs from a doctor this time; but I\u2019m also taking other drugs, and I\u2019m also drinking heavily. I\u2019m starting to read the Bible, like 70 pages a night, and getting nothing from it in my mind.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Imagine. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes, yes. [Laughter] So, my brother dies on February 28<sup>th<\/sup>. He didn\u2019t even last six months. He died on February 28 of 2009, and we went to Mexico.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> He\u2019s got a really good friend in Mexico that actually came to me and said, \u201cKathy, is Tim okay?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cNo, he\u2019s not okay. I don\u2019t know what to do\u201d; he had asked his friend to get him some pain killers.<\/p>\n<p>This guy that Tim had talked to\u2014he had asked him if he was reading the Bible. He told him, \u201cWhy don\u2019t you slow down and read a Proverb a day?\u201d We got home from Mexico, and Tim asked me if I would start reading the Bible with him and read a Proverb a day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> We started reading a Proverb every day and then a Psalm a day. Then we started reading the New Testament. Well, then, I was going to a pastor at our church for grief counseling. He\u2019s the same guy that led my brother through his death.<\/p>\n<p>After four or five times [of counseling], he comes in; and he closes the door behind me. He says: \u201cI need to talk to you about this; I could lose my job over this. You need to get out of this church. You need to go find yourself a Jesus-loving, Bible-teaching church. The Lord has got a calling on your life, and it\u2019s a <em>big<\/em> calling. It\u2019s not here; you\u2019re not going to find it here. You need to get out of here.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> I went home and told Kath, \u201cWhat do you think about looking for another church?\u201d She goes, \u201cI\u2019m in; let\u2019s do it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Then, at that point, we decided\/we finally said, \u201cLet\u2019s quit drinking for one month\u201d; and in that month, as we quit drinking and we\u2019re reading the Bible, things are starting to change. We were so mired in sin that I couldn\u2019t see anything. I didn\u2019t\/I never understood the Bible; I would try to read it.<\/p>\n<p>But as we\u2019re reading it, I mean, I\u2019m just feeling this huge change; I\u2019m feeling light. We sat down a month later, after we had spent\u2014and we were reading a Proverb; we were reading Psalms\u2014we started reading the Gospels, and we just were like hungry.<\/p>\n<p>We sat down with a piece of paper at the end of the month and wrote the good things about not drinking and the bad things about not drinking. We couldn\u2019t find anything that was bad about not drinking; things were so good. We decided, \u201cYou know, we\u2019re just not drinking.\u201d We haven\u2019t drunk now for nine-and-some years.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> It just keeps getting better.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> We\u2019re not drinking now. About three months, we go to a Kenny G concert. I realize I\u2019m still full of anxiety\u2014not as bad as I was\u2014but still not drinking and still reading God\u2019s Word. Well, then, we went to a Christian concert; and we didn\u2019t know it was Christian. It was a Christmas concert, and literally, that\u2019s\/we got saved; got baptized the next year. The Lord had a plan\/that calling we figured out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, that transformation in your lives led to a reprioritization of <em>everything<\/em> about your lives that has led to an engagement in ministry, where our paths have crossed and where we\u2019ve been working together. This burden started\u2014you wanted to help other couples, who were in distress the way you\u2019d been in distress\u2014and part of it was because people were seeing a change in you\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and come, say, \u201cWhat\u2019s going on?\u201d Tell us a little about that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> We were going to this church; we\u2019re starting to serve. Tim starts talking about sharing our story and helping other couples. I\u2019m a little hesitant because I didn\u2019t want to get up in front of people and share. We did\/we did our first class\u2014a marriage class. I told Tim: \u201cOkay; I will sit there with you. You can do it; you can do all the talking. I\u2019ll sit there.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I sat there the first night, and we got in the car that night. I started telling him what he should have said and what he needs to say in the next week. [Laughter] I kept going on and on. I finally looked at him; and I said: \u201cYou know what? I can talk! I\u2019ll start talking.\u201d [Laughter] So I started talking, and that was the start of marriage ministry.<\/p>\n<p>It got\/it got more and more that we were doing more and more marriage stuff. We got called to a bigger church, and he really wanted to grow it. My thought was: \u201cOkay; if we\u2019re going to do this, we need to get some training.\u201d So I googled, \u201cMarriage conferences\/Christian marriage conferences\u201d; and that\u2019s how I found <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> six years ago; I signed up for that. Then I found the cruise, and I signed up for that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> The reason\u2014what really drove us to marriage ministry, even go deeper\u2014is we went to a Catalyst Conference, actually. Craig Groeschel said, \u201cI cannot believe how, in the church\u2014how messed up people are,\u201d meaning that there was infidelity in churches and by the leadership. They\u2019d gone through it and were sharing about it. It\u2019s in <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Week 5, by the way.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> So we\/I was really committed to bringing it to the church and bringing it to leadership. We had this all planned out: man plans, and God laughs.<\/p>\n<p>We go to this <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> thing, and we find this thing called the <em>Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><br \/>\n[FamilyLife video series]. I called our senior pastor; I said: \u201cDave, I think this is a God-thing. There is something here that I think we should be using and not what we were going to use. I just think\u2014what do you think?\u201d He said: \u201cWell, if you think it\u2019s a God- thing, so do I. Let\u2019s just do it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We brought <em>bags<\/em> of stuff home, including the book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>. It\u2019s really changed everything in the trajectory of what we\u2019ve done and how we\u2019ve done it, and how the Lord has worked in it, and blessed it, and continues to bless it. That\u2019s that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> You guys have started doing regular <em>Art of Marriage<\/em> events and classes, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Right. Yes, we mainly do the small group six weeks; we do it as a large group. The first one we did was\u2014you\u2019re the number guys\u2014how many people?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> We had 61 couples the first time.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> \u201461 couples the <em>first<\/em> time. Then the room wasn\u2019t quite big enough so we kind of condensed it. What we do is: we set it up in small groups, like a date night; and we have dinner. Then Tim and I will share bits of our story. Then we add\u2014we kind of modeled it off of <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> with the videos; it\u2019s like two-and-a-half hours. There is childcare provided. We have ongoing\/we do that a couple times a year. We did it three times the first year.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> We\u2019ve also done the day-and-a-half. We condensed it down to one day, and so probably close to 2,000 people.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow. You\u2019ve done it, not only in eastern Washington, but you\u2019ve been places all around the country.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Yes; our kids were in Aiken, South Carolina; so we went down to Aiken and did an event.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> In fact, tell them how the Aiken event happened.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> So the Aiken event\u2014this is\u2014I just told Bob this; he just heard it. I\/we were in Aiken, seeing our kids. I wanted to see the pastor and tell him what we did. He walks into Starbucks; and he said, \u201cI\u2019ve got five minutes.\u201d \u201cOkay.\u201d I told him what we did; and he said, \u201cOkay; so, what\u2019s it cost?\u201d I said: \u201cWell, we don\u2019t charge; God redeemed our marriage, and we don\u2019t charge. We could never charge for it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He started weeping; he said, \u201cMy associate pastor and I, just last week, were saying, \u2018We <em>have<\/em> to do something for marriages; we just don\u2019t know what to do.\u2019 The worst part is we have no budget for it. That was just last week\u2014prayer answered.\u201d Anyway, 30 minutes later, we were planning\u2014after that five minutes got up\u2014we were planning an <em>Art of Marriage<\/em>. There [were] a hundred couples there. Last I heard, they still have a marriage ministry going on in that church\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Great.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014from that one Saturday we were there.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> You have done <em>Art of Marriage<\/em>. Then you started taking guys through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014around 600 guys through <em>Stepping Up<\/em>. It\u2019s really easy to do that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> I <em>love<\/em> the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> thing. Well, first off, did you\/did they get any pictures of the building?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> We haven\u2019t gotten to the building yet; we\u2019ll get to the building.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Okay. Because of the building that\u2019s been built that\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ll do it now.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Yes, yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> So you built basically the ultimate man cave\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Tim built a man cave.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014the war room.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s got some old cars in it, and Tim has groups of guys in there. He\u2019s got, now, a core leadership group that he\u2014well, he started this\u2014this is funny, because he started it. We\u2019re going shopping at Costco, and he\u2019s buying all the food. The next week, we\u2019re at Costco, buying all the food. I\u2019m like: \u201cWhy are you buying all the food all the time?! Why don\u2019t you delegate this to the guys?\u201d He gets all the meat for the guys; then they bring all the chips and everything guys want.<\/p>\n<p>What I love about this\/what I love about this is I think it\u2019s a precursor to <em>Art of Marriage<\/em> because, on Week 8?\u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014I bring my special guest in\/the secret weapon.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> \u2014he brings <em>me<\/em> in. I get to tell the guys how <em>cool<\/em> it would be if they invited their <em>wives<\/em> to <em>Art of Marriage. <\/em>I think that\u2019s the way it should be. Instead of being in a church, announcing <em>Art of Marriage<\/em>, and the wife going like this [encouraging husband to go]; you\u2019ve got these guys that have been learning how to step up. Now, they are going to invite their wives to <em>Art of Marriage<\/em>. I <em>love<\/em> what he\u2019s doing at the war room with them.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> As you look at taking 600 guys through <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, taking <em>thousands<\/em> of couples through <em>Art of Marriage<\/em>, now, you\u2019re starting to take people through <em>Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. Like I said, this has reprioritized your life. Tell me what the last six years have been like for you guys.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim:<\/strong> For me, they\u2019ve had a lot more, well, Christ-centeredness in everything we do. We\u2019re doing everything with Christ in mind instead of self. So, it\u2014it\u2019s just much more powerful.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Kathy, what has this meant to you?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Oh, well, it\u2019s just\u2014since the last six\/seven\/eight years?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014six years, yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kathy:<\/strong> Our lives just totally changed. I mean, a lot of\u2014some people will ask me, \u201cHow can you share what you share?\u201d It\u2019s like, \u201cWell, we\u2019re just not those people anymore\u201d; so we can share, and people can come to us and share their stories.<\/p>\n<p>We know that there is hope. We know\/and I know, when I sat in <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>, it was the first conference I went to that it validated that: \u201cHey, we\u2019re doing the right thing.\u201d We knew that the answer to a great marriage is Jesus, and we had found it. It was just reaffirming that we are doing the right thing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Don\u2019t you guys love stories like this? Isn\u2019t this amazing? [Applause] Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>[Studio]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, again, we\u2019ve been listening to a conversation with our friends, Tim and Kathy Bush.<\/p>\n<p>Ann, as she was talking, I\u2019m thinking of the listener, who is going, \u201cI could <em>never<\/em> be as transparent about the <em>mess<\/em> of our past; because it\u2019s still too embarrassing, humiliating, shameful,\u201d\u2014all the words you\u2019d attach to it. You\u2019ve felt some of that, but you\u2019ve found your way past it to be open and transparent about your own marriage difficulties.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> And I know Kathy well\u2014and I know, even with me\u2014when God takes our <em>mess<\/em> and He transforms it, it can become our message. So you\u2019re not embarrassed to say, \u201cThis is what happened to me, because God has done a real miracle and transformation in our lives.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>For Dave and me, it really has changed everything. Even sitting with Tim and Kathy at their home, this was so fun; because they were like, \u201cHey, we want you guys to be a part of our lives; so come and spend time with us.\u201d Every morning, we\u2019d sit and we\u2019d talk to God; we\u2019d pray and we\u2019d have our devotional. Remember that? It was so fun!\u2014because they are living it out every single day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, I\u2019ve got to tell you\u2014Tim and Kathy\u2014they are a breath of fresh air, because they are so honest. You can see where they\u2019ve been, and you can see the redemptive resurrection power of God in a couple\u2019s life. That inspires others to think, \u201cWe can have hope.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, think about this: \u201cWhat if a thousand people listening would say, \u2018We\u2019ve got a mess\u2019?\u201d\u2014because, like you said, Ann, if you\u2019ve got a mess, you\u2019ve got a message\u2014what if they would say, \u201cWe\u2019ll find some way to connect with other couples; and together, we can work on our marriages\u201d?<\/p>\n<p>You guys just finished up last night, Session 2, of the three-week <em>Vertical Marriage <\/em>online small group that you\u2019ve been doing. Anybody can do that; you can set up an online small group and get together, virtually, with people. Actually, Step 1 now\/I\u2019m hearing people say, \u201cStep 1, in starting to reengage with church, is to do a small group meeting with ten or fewer people in a living room, appropriate distancing.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Get a copy of the <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series or the <em>Art of Marriage<\/em> or <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>\u2014the resources we\u2019ve put together, here at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014and get some other couples together and say, \u201cComing out of what we\u2019ve been going through,\u201d\u2014and let\u2019s hope we\u2019re coming out of it, right?\u2014\u201cBut coming out of everything here, we need to make sure that the foundation is strong\/that our marriages are strong as we go forward.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Go to FamilyLifeToday.com for information about the <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> video series with Dave and Ann Wilson, about the <em>Art of Marriage<\/em>, about other resources we have available, here at FamilyLife, and think about how you can do what Tim and Kathy Bush did and just start to engage with others and say: \u201cWe have not done this perfectly. We\u2019re still not doing it perfectly; but we need help, and we need other people around us. We think it will benefit all of us if we do this together.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Again, go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, for more information on the resources we have available. If we can help you somehow know how to set up a virtual small group, we\u2019d be happy to do that. Again, information is available, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And we want to ask you one other thing; and that is, \u201cCan you help us over the next seven\/eight days?\u201d Here, in the month of May, we\u2019ve had friends of the ministry, who have come to us and said they will match every donation we receive this month, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $345,000. As you might imagine, that\u2019s a significant opportunity for us at a time when the money would be extremely helpful. If you are a longtime listener of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, would you consider making a donation, knowing that that donation, right now, is going to be matched dollar for dollar?<\/p>\n<p>Let me also add: if you are a regular listener, would you consider becoming a monthly Legacy Partner? Every Legacy Partner donation we receive over the next 12 months\u2014if you are new Legacy Partner\u2014your donation is going to be matched, dollar for dollar, for an entire year. And we\u2019ll send you, as a new Legacy Partner, a certificate so you and your spouse can attend a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway when those begin back up. We\u2019re planning to do that this fall, Lord willing; and we\u2019d <em>love<\/em> to see you at a getaway; or you can pass on the gift card to someone else you know if you\u2019d like to give the weekend away to a friend or to, maybe, one of your adult children.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s easy to donate or to become a Legacy Partner. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com, and the information is available there; or call us at 1-800-FL-TODAY. We can get you all set up over the phone. Anyone who donates today or becomes a new Legacy Partner, we\u2019d like to send you, as a thank-you gift, a copy of Barbara Rainey\u2019s new book, <em>My Heart Ever His<\/em>, a wonderful collection of prayers that I think you\u2019re going to find very encouraging as you get this beautiful new book. Again, it\u2019s our thank-you gift when you donate today by going online at FamilyLifeToday.com or by calling 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d Thanks, in advance, for whatever you are able to do; and thanks for helping us take advantage of the matching-gift opportunity.<\/p>\n<p>Now, we hope you have a great weekend. Hope you and your family are able to worship together somehow this weekend; and I hope you can join us on Monday. That\u2019s Memorial Day, here in the United States. We\u2019re going to talk about what a husband can do when his wife doesn\u2019t trust him anymore. How do you build back trust when trust has been violated? Shaunti Feldhahn and Brian Goins are going to join us to talk about all of that. I hope you can be with us for that.<\/p>\n<p>I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. 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