{"id":305947,"date":"2020-04-23T07:00:04","date_gmt":"2020-04-23T11:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/trusting-god-in-adversity\/"},"modified":"2020-04-23T07:00:04","modified_gmt":"2020-04-23T11:00:04","slug":"trusting-god-in-adversity","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/trusting-god-in-adversity\/","title":{"rendered":"Trusting God in Adversity"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Guest: Chris and Mary Herndon | FamilyLife CEO Chris Herndon and his wife, Mary, remember God&#8217;s goodness as they reflect on Mary&#8217;s diagnosis of a brain tumor in 2017. Almost a year later, their son, Charlie, was diagnosed with MRSA, a type of staph infection that is untreatable by many types of antibiotics. After 23 days in the hospital and with his condition worsening, Charlie was transported to a children&#8217;s hospital in Cincinnati where he spent another 30 days. By God&#8217;s grace there was a breakthrough, and his recovery is now documented in medical journals.<\/p>\n<p>Show Notes and Resources<\/p>\n<p> \tFind resources from this podcast at https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/.<br \/>\n \tCheck out all that&#8217;s available on the FamilyLife Podcast Network.\u00a0 https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/familylife-podcast-network\/<br \/>\n \tHave the FamilyLife Today\u00ae podcast and resources helped you?\u00a0 Consider becoming a Legacy Partner, a monthly supporter of FamilyLife.\u00a0https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/legacy<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>FamilyLife CEO Chris Herndon and his wife, Mary, remember God&#8217;s goodness as they reflect on Mary&#8217;s diagnosis of a brain tumor in 2017. Almost a year later, their son, Charlie, was diagnosed with MRSA, a type of staph infection that is untreatable by many types of antibiotics. 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Mary Herndon says most of us have areas of life, where we think it would be unfair for God to visit us with sorrow or suffering.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>I think in life we have things\u2014you know, like we are willing: \u201cLord, we\u2019ll go to Africa and serve for You,\u201d \u201cWe\u2019ll go into ministry; we\u2019ll raise support,\u201d \u201cWe\u2019ll do whatever.\u201d But I think, if we\u2019re honest with ourselves, we all have an untouchable list, like: \u201cNo, not my child; not that, Lord. You can do anything else\u2014we\u2019ll go anywhere You want us to go\u2014but not my child,\u201d \u201c\u2026not my marriage,\u201d \u201c\u2026not my grandchild.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there were things\/I felt like God was just <em>prying<\/em> my fingers loose of the things that were heaviest on my heart that are heavy on His, too; He cares about the same things we do. Sometimes, the things that we grip the tightest are the very places He wants to get in there and work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, April 23<sup>rd<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You\u2019ll find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. What do we do when suffering that is unexpected visits us?\u2014when something that was on our untouchable list is all of a sudden being touched? We\u2019ll hear today how one couple has learned to deal with that and drawn closer to God in the process. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Thursday edition. I don\u2019t think many of us realize, when we get married, that there are going to be detours that are going to come our way: times of sorrow and suffering that will hit us unexpectedly. Most of us are probably not fully-prepared for the detours when they come.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; we say, \u201cFor better, for worse\u201d; and honestly\u2014even when I got married and now, as a pastor, doing weddings\u2014I don\u2019t think very many couples think there\u2019ll be much of the <em>worse<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I don\u2019t think they want to think about it, because it\u2019s scary to think what the worse could be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and you\u2019re hopeful; it\u2019s your wedding day, and you see the glory ahead. There is glory ahead, but there\u2019s also going to be challenge ahead. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, we\u2019re going to meet a couple today, who are a part of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> staff. Chris and Mary Herndon speak at our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaways. Chris serves as the chief operating officer for FamilyLife and gives leadership to a lot of what we do here. They\u2019re a great couple, and they\u2019ve been on a little bit of a detour journey recently. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey wrote about this in a devotional book that FamilyLife released recently called <em>The Story of Us<\/em>, where it is a 52-chapter devotional; so a devotion a week for couples to go through.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>And they\u2019re not the only authors.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>No; you\u2019re in there!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It isn\u2019t just the story of them; it\u2019s\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. You guys are in there; I\u2019ve written in there; so we have people from our speaker team\/from our staff. You can find out more about that devotional on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut you were there when I sat down with Chris and Mary in a small gathering recently and asked them to share a little of their story and the journey God\u2019s had them on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You guys have experienced\/you\u2019ve been on a little bit of a journey over the last couple of years that was an unexpected journey for you, and it began with you having some headaches; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Yes; I was just sitting in Bible study and I had some weird vision things. I really just thought it was blood sugar and didn\u2019t think much of it. Over the next couple weeks, it would happen multiple times; so finally, between Chris and our daughter, they\u2019re like, \u201cGo get it checked out.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe physician was like, \u201cYes, I think it could be a mini-stroke\/some other things going on,\u201d and wanted us to get an MRI. We were thinking, \u201c\u2026in the next few weeks\u201d; and he was like, \u201cNo, tonight.\u201d The MRI showed that golf-ball sized tumor; it was a brain tumor in the center of my head, right on my brain stem; so yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019re immediately in a whole new world with: \u201cThere\u2019s something in your brain. You\u2019re going to have to have brain surgery.\u201d That put you on a journey to try to figure out, \u201cWhat\u2019s the best process?\u201d You wound up going to MD Anderson in Houston for a diagnosis and for treatment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>What were they telling you? Did you have a sense of whether this was benign or malignant? What did you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chris: <\/strong>They had a very strong sense that it was benign\u2014that it was an acoustic neuroma, which it was\u2014so we\u2019re very grateful for that. The difficulty was its location, as Mary just said. It\u2019s almost like if you draw a line between your two ears\u2014I mean, it\u2019s right in the middle\u2014very difficult to get to and surgery would be extremely difficult and very long; and it was about 13 hours.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The risk associated with the surgery related to your hearing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>They said that my tumor was tangled in three nerves; so it would be the nerve that controls your face, your hearing nerve, and your balance nerve. To get it out, they knew there\u2019s no way to get it out without damaging some of those. They damaged my hearing nerve, so I lost all the hearing on one side. It\u2019s completely gone, which is good; because there\u2019s no noise. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chris: <\/strong>\u2014to your right, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Then they had to completely snip my balance nerve on that side. My face was fine.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Talk about the fear.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>I don\u2019t feel like, as we went into it, I don\u2019t remember feeling that God was preparing me that this was going to be the end for me. I remember I went to lunch once with Barbara Rainey. She was like: \u201cOkay; I know what you\u2019re telling everybody else. What\u2019s the real story?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, when you go into a difficulty surgery, sometimes you think, \u201cOkay, what\u2019s the worst that could happen here?\u201d I remember feeling: \u201cAs a believer, if you wake up in the arms of Jesus, that\u2019s not a bad thing. If things go well, that\u2019s awesome too.\u201d I think with brain surgery, you think, \u201cThe worst case scenario would be, if I wake up and I\u2019m not me again, and I\u2019m not able to be a mom or a wife in the same way that I was before.\u201d You don\u2019t want to be a burden to your family, so that would have been the worst case scenario for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Living now with a disability, do you find it challenging? Do you find yourself going: \u201cGod, why this? Why is this my life?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>I mean, I don\u2019t challenge it; I think you just have to laugh. It still holds my earring; you know, my ear\u2019s still there. [Laughter] We just laugh about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, especially in the Western world, when difficulty comes your way, we sometimes have the tendency to just want it to go away as quickly as possible with no fallout. I think, from the very beginning, God just pressed upon our hearts that our lives are not our own and that He really can be trusted. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe went into it with the prayer: \u201cLord, brain tumors are too hard; so help us to walk the journey well. Don\u2019t waste our tumor. Help us to be a blessing in other people\u2019s lives and shape our character through this in some way.\u201d That was our prayer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We\u2019ve talked before; when our kids were still at home, we talked about the fact\u2014and you kind of grit your teeth in saying this\u2014but I said to Mary Ann at one point, \u201cIt would be easier for me if you were suffering with something than if one of our kids was suffering with something.\u201d I think that\u2019s just because we know we\u2019re grownups\/we\u2019re adults, and we know we can tough it out. But when your kids are going through it, it\u2019s a tougher deal.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou had that experience happen; then a year after you had had your surgery\u2014tell everybody what happened with your son.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chris: <\/strong>Yes, we picked Charlie up; he was gone for a week-long camp in Arkansas. We picked him up on Saturday morning and had about an hour-and-a-half drive back to home in Little Rock. He just fell asleep in the car, which for him is not necessarily completely unusual. We just probably thought he didn\u2019t have sleep or eating poorly that week.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSaturday to Thursday he would always run a fever in the afternoons. We would give him an Advil<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> and it would break, and he would get back to normal. Well, Thursday, Mary took him to his primary [doctor] and said: \u201cIt\u2019s probably a virus. It\u2019ll run its course in a few days; but by Sunday, if he\u2019s still running a fever, call me.\u201d He was, and we did. The doctor said, \u201cTake him to Children\u2019s Hospital. Let them admit him, check him out\u2014make sure everything\u2019s okay\u2014and run a barrage of tests.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAbout two days later, they had determined that he had developed MRSA bacteria and that it had just settled in the middle of his liver.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>MRSA is an antibiotic-resistant form of staph; it\u2019s bad news.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, he\u2019s in Children\u2019s; they\u2019ve diagnosed him with MRSA. It\u2019s antibiotic-resistant; they didn\u2019t know what to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>They didn\u2019t. We watched our son go from a healthy kid to\u2014I mean, right now, he\u2019s 140 pounds\u2014he ended up getting down to like 92\u2014you know, a feeding tube. His fevers would get to the point where you\u2019d give him medicine for fever and, instead of going down, it would go up. His vitals were tanking. They were doing everything they knew to do, and it wasn\u2019t working. We knew that it was going to be a serious deal.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chris: <\/strong>Man, as a parent, you feel helpless. You\u2019re right, Bob, that comparison of a spouse and your kid\u2014it is different; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Talk about the day you came to work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chris: <\/strong>Yes; this sounds so stupid\u2014that I went to work\u2014but Mary is a mom. She <em>refused<\/em> to leave Charlie and would spend the night in the hospital every night. We still did have a daughter, who was a senior at the time; so I would go and stay till ten \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\to\u2019 clock at night and then I would go home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTypically, the doctors would round about nine o\u2019 clock in the morning. I\u2019m a morning person, so I would go into the office. I would work for an hour-and-a-half and then try to be at the hospital every morning\u2014and then gauge how the day would unfold\u2014whether I would just stay and continue to support; or if it was a holding-pattern day, I would go back to the office.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat morning, I backed into the parking lot at maybe 7:45. Our program, <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, is 7:30-8:00. This was July 18; it was ten days after we figured out what was going on with Charlie; he had atrophied tremendously. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was the first day that Ron and Nan were sharing about their story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Their story is the loss of their son, Connor, who at age 12, died from a MRSA infection\/from a staph infection.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Yes, and we knew this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chris: <\/strong>Yes, we knew the story very intimately. They\u2019re sharing that, on day ten is, unfortunately, when they lost Connor. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m sitting in the car; I\u2019m listening to this program. About 7:45, when they say that, I just have this question hit me, like: \u201cWhat are you doing?! Why are you getting ready to go into work?\u201d It just dawned on me again that, \u201cThis is day ten for Charlie.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI cranked my car, going to the hospital. It was a tough day\u2014just one of those days; I think we all have them, where it\u2019s a mental snapshot in your mind of your life\u2014you can go back to certain days, as a kid or whatever, and you can see it in color\u2014you know it; you can smell it\u2014I mean, it\u2019s just one of those days. That was one for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn the afternoon, we\u2019re with Charlie, just having conversation. He just says to me, \u201cI don\u2019t think I\u2019m ever going to leave this room.\u201d [Emotion in voice] I knew I should have brought a hand towel. [Laughter] The first reaction: \u201cYou know, he\u2019s complaining because he\u2019s in the hospital; who wouldn\u2019t? Ten days lying in the bed; you can\u2019t get up; he\u2019s miserable; he\u2019s throwing up all the time; he can\u2019t keep food down; he has a feeding tube.\u201d But when I looked at him, what he meant was like, \u201cThis is it!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt ten o\u2019 clock, I\u2019m driving home; and I just <em>lose<\/em> it. Brian [fellow staff member], yesterday morning, shared a question that Jesus asked His disciples. It\u2019s the exact same question Jesus asked me on that 20-minute drive home\u2014when I\u2019m doubting, when I\u2019m angry; I feel helpless\u2014\u201cChris, who do you say I am?\u201d That was a deep stake in my faith that night, that Jesus drove a little bit deeper for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was a day ten; on day twenty-three, he continued to digress. The decision was made that he needed to be air-lifted to Cincinnati. One of the toughest things in my life I\u2019ve ever had to do was watch the door close and me get back in the ambulance to go back to the hospital, where our car was. Then our middle daughter and I got in the car the next morning, and we drove the ten hours to Cincinnati to join them. He spent another 30 days in Cincinnati.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The good news is there was a breakthrough.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>There was. I mean, I think, just because there was no one else like him, there was no protocol of how to treat him. You know, when you have a surgery, sometimes they give you all the things that could go wrong; and for us, it was a blank sheet of paper; because they didn\u2019t know what it would be. He was taking the strongest antibiotics\u2014five or six of them at the highest doses\u2014and nothing was working.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs a mom, I think you reach the point, where you\u2019re like\u2014we knew Nan and Ron; we knew the risks\u2014so I think you have to process these things on difficult levels. My moment\u2014it was my Abraham and Isaac moment\u2014of just, you know, that control is an illusion; and you have absolutely no control here. I remember wrestling with God. I felt like He was asking me: \u201cDo you believe that I love Charlie as much as you do? If I chose to take him home, would you still think I\u2019m good?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, in life, we have things\u2014you know, we are willing: \u201cLord, we\u2019ll go to Africa and serve for You,\u201d \u201cWe\u2019ll go into ministry; we\u2019ll raise support,\u201d \u201cWe\u2019ll do whatever.\u201d But I think, if we\u2019re honest with ourselves, we all have an untouchable list, like: \u201cNo, not my child; not that, Lord. You can do anything else\u2014we\u2019ll go anywhere You want us to go\u2014but not my child,\u201d \u201c\u2026not my marriage,\u201d \u201c\u2026not my grandchild.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there were things\/I felt like God was just <em>prying<\/em> my fingers loose of the things that were heaviest on my heart that are heavy on His, too; He cares about the same things we do. Sometimes, the things that we grip the tightest are the very places He wants to get in there and work, if we will just give Him access. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe know God doesn\u2019t love us or our child any more than the child across the hall, whose story was going to end differently; so we had to get to the point: \u201cLord, if Charlie got to go be with Jesus, that\u2019s great for him. It would be something I probably would never get over, as a mom; but I have to trust that You are good and You have a plan.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We were all in Little Rock, praying for you guys and hearing reports, \u201cWell, they\u2019re going to try this\u2026\u201d \u201cNo, that didn\u2019t work. They\u2019re going to try this\u2026.\u201d \u201cNo, that didn\u2019t work.\u201d I mean, this was kind of the, \u201cWell, they\u2019re going to now try this\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat was the breakthrough, medically? What did they do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>There was some resident in Cincinnati, who had read a study about something in China that had never been done before\/nobody knew. He would be put under every Monday and Thursday; they put drains directly into his liver, and would inject vancomycin into his liver, shut it off, hold it for several hours and let it out at the end of the day. He was put under anesthesia two times a week for a couple weeks, and his fever finally broke. It was the first time in 60 days there had been no fever. Yes, it worked.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>As you think about what you\u2019ve been through: <em>your<\/em> health issues, Charlie\u2019s health issues, and the mission that God has called you to\u2014to effectively develop godly marriages and families that change the world one home at a time\u2014how has what you\u2019ve gone through affected your thinking about the mission that we\u2019re a part of?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>I think family is the Trojan horse. I was recently with a group of women. We went around, as our last day together; we\u2019re like: \u201cWhat is your prayer request? As God put you on my heart; how can I pray for you?\u201d Every single person in the room, it was: \u201cHere\u2019s what\u2019s going on in our marriage,\u201d \u201cThis is where I am with my children.\u201d It was all prayer requests about the family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s a tender spot in the heart of every human, who wants their family to go well; so because of that, once life goes poorly, people are willing to hear about God and Jesus in ways that, when life is perfect, they\u2019re not. We know that intimately. It\u2019s a sacred spot to be able to walk with families through hard things. Really, life is not about the good things or the bad things that happen to you; but \u201cWhat do you do with those?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe quickly realized that our lives are not our own, and there\u2019s always an army of people watching you. I remember when Charlie was sick\u2014especially since we had all of our international staff in from all the different countries\u2014I\u2019m reading all the prayer requests to him; and we had the blog, and I looked at it this morning; there were 55 countries following his story. I\u2019m like, \u201cWho but God?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou realize that you have the opportunity to show: \u201cWhen life is going great, so be it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>\u201cWhen life goes poorly, and you handle it and walk through it differently than everyone else, I think that\u2019s when people are like: \u2018Tell me about this Jesus. How can you be calm when life is chaotic?\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I heard John Piper say\u2014he said: \u201cYour pagan next-door neighbor\u2014if something good happens to him, he says, \u2018Well, that was lucky.\u2019 The fact that something good happened to you and you say, \u2018Well, praise the Lord,\u2019 that doesn\u2019t cause your next-door neighbor to go, \u2018Oh, I want to know more about Jesus.\u2019 But when you go through trials and you say, \u2018Bless the Lord,\u2019 your next-door neighbor goes, \u2018Now, you need to explain that to me\u2019\u201d; right?\u2014yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chris: <\/strong>Just kind of a takeaway thought for me this weekend, that hit me last night, was that the characteristic of God does not change given my circumstances and how that provides peace and hope\u2014to your point of people who do not know Him\u2014when they are in the valleys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, we\u2019ve been listening to a conversation I had not long ago with Chris and Mary Herndon, speakers at our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway\u2014part of the staff\/the team, here at FamilyLife\u2014sharing about the journey that they\u2019ve been on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve said so many times\u2014Matthew, Chapter 7, says: \u201cIf your house is built on sand, when the storms come, you\u2019re going to be in trouble.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Big, great crash.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But if you are working today, in the calm, to build your marriage\/to build your family on the Rock, when the storms come\u2014and they will come\u2014your house can stand.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It is really difficult to build a foundation in a storm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>You do it before the storm, knowing they\u2019re coming. We\u2019ve seen Chris and Mary\u2019s story and their storm reconciled, because they had a foundation\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014of Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I love how Chris ended, too; because he talked about how God\u2019s faithfulness never changes. He\u2019s always there with us\/for us\u2014fighting for us\u2014sometimes it doesn\u2019t feel like it, but He\u2019s <em>always<\/em> there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Circumstances are going to change; God\u2019s character won\u2019t change. That\u2019s our anchor; that\u2019s our rock in the midst of the storm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tChris and Mary shared this story as a part of a new devotional that FamilyLife has put together, a 52-week devotional for couples. There\u2019s one devotion each week for \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t52 weeks. These are devotions that are written by couples, who speak at our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaways\/some of our FamilyLife staff and team. The devotional is called <em>The Story of Us<\/em>. You [Dave and Ann] have a devotional or two in there; I have one. This is just a great tool for couples to continue to direct their marriage toward God by, once a week, reading the devotional together\/praying together as a couple.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019d love for you to get a copy of <em>The Story of Us<\/em> couples\u2019 devotional. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to order your copy of this devotional. Again, it\u2019s called <em>The Story of Us<\/em>. You can order, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329\u20141-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY,\u201d to get a copy of <em>The Story of Us<\/em> couples\u2019 devotional.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019ve heard us say this before: \u201cThe time to build and strengthen your marriage is not when the storm hits; it\u2019s before the storm hits. You build the foundation when things are going well.\u201d To be in a devotional like this, once a week throughout the year, that\u2019s part of how you build a foundation; or maybe you get the video series we\u2019ve talked about this week. This is how you build a foundation so that, when the storms come, your marriage can stand strong in those storms. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information about the devotional, <em>The Story of Us<\/em>, or about the <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> video series, featuring Dave and Ann Wilson: the five sessions that are available on <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>. The website, again, is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call if you\u2019re ready to order these resources: call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u20141-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, thanks to those of you who make <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> possible: our Legacy Partners, who give each month; those of you who will donate from time to time. I want you to be thinking about it this way: your donations are doing more than just keeping <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> on this local radio station\u2014although that\u2019s a big part of it\u2014your donation is helping thousands of couples draw strength, and encouragement, and hope from what they hear as they listen to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, what they read online\/access to articles and resources we make available. You\u2019re helping husbands and wives and moms and dads have stronger marriages and families\/to be anchored in what the Bible teaches about marriage and family. So thank you for partnering with us to strengthen the lives of so many couples and so many families.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re a long-time listener, and you\u2019ve <em>never<\/em> donated to support this ministry, you can do it easily today. 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CEO Chris Herndon and his wife, Mary, remember God's goodness as they reflect on Mary's diagnosis of a brain tumor in 2017. Almost a year later, their son, Charlie, was diagnosed with MRSA, a type of staph infection that is untreatable by many types of antibiotics. Hear the story of God's faithfulness to this&hellip;","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2020-04-23.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Jesus has promised us that in this world we will experience tribulation, sorrow, suffering. Mary Herndon says most of us have areas of life, where we think it would be unfair for God to visit us with sorrow or suffering.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>I think in life we have things\u2014you know, like we are willing: \u201cLord, we\u2019ll go to Africa and serve for You,\u201d \u201cWe\u2019ll go into ministry; we\u2019ll raise support,\u201d \u201cWe\u2019ll do whatever.\u201d But I think, if we\u2019re honest with ourselves, we all have an untouchable list, like: \u201cNo, not my child; not that, Lord. You can do anything else\u2014we\u2019ll go anywhere You want us to go\u2014but not my child,\u201d \u201c\u2026not my marriage,\u201d \u201c\u2026not my grandchild.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there were things\/I felt like God was just <em>prying<\/em> my fingers loose of the things that were heaviest on my heart that are heavy on His, too; He cares about the same things we do. Sometimes, the things that we grip the tightest are the very places He wants to get in there and work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, April 23<sup>rd<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You\u2019ll find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. What do we do when suffering that is unexpected visits us?\u2014when something that was on our untouchable list is all of a sudden being touched? We\u2019ll hear today how one couple has learned to deal with that and drawn closer to God in the process. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Thursday edition. I don\u2019t think many of us realize, when we get married, that there are going to be detours that are going to come our way: times of sorrow and suffering that will hit us unexpectedly. Most of us are probably not fully-prepared for the detours when they come.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; we say, \u201cFor better, for worse\u201d; and honestly\u2014even when I got married and now, as a pastor, doing weddings\u2014I don\u2019t think very many couples think there\u2019ll be much of the <em>worse<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I don\u2019t think they want to think about it, because it\u2019s scary to think what the worse could be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and you\u2019re hopeful; it\u2019s your wedding day, and you see the glory ahead. There is glory ahead, but there\u2019s also going to be challenge ahead. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, we\u2019re going to meet a couple today, who are a part of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> staff. Chris and Mary Herndon speak at our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaways. Chris serves as the chief operating officer for FamilyLife and gives leadership to a lot of what we do here. They\u2019re a great couple, and they\u2019ve been on a little bit of a detour journey recently. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey wrote about this in a devotional book that FamilyLife released recently called <em>The Story of Us<\/em>, where it is a 52-chapter devotional; so a devotion a week for couples to go through.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>And they\u2019re not the only authors.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>No; you\u2019re in there!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It isn\u2019t just the story of them; it\u2019s\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. You guys are in there; I\u2019ve written in there; so we have people from our speaker team\/from our staff. You can find out more about that devotional on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut you were there when I sat down with Chris and Mary in a small gathering recently and asked them to share a little of their story and the journey God\u2019s had them on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You guys have experienced\/you\u2019ve been on a little bit of a journey over the last couple of years that was an unexpected journey for you, and it began with you having some headaches; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Yes; I was just sitting in Bible study and I had some weird vision things. I really just thought it was blood sugar and didn\u2019t think much of it. Over the next couple weeks, it would happen multiple times; so finally, between Chris and our daughter, they\u2019re like, \u201cGo get it checked out.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe physician was like, \u201cYes, I think it could be a mini-stroke\/some other things going on,\u201d and wanted us to get an MRI. We were thinking, \u201c\u2026in the next few weeks\u201d; and he was like, \u201cNo, tonight.\u201d The MRI showed that golf-ball sized tumor; it was a brain tumor in the center of my head, right on my brain stem; so yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019re immediately in a whole new world with: \u201cThere\u2019s something in your brain. You\u2019re going to have to have brain surgery.\u201d That put you on a journey to try to figure out, \u201cWhat\u2019s the best process?\u201d You wound up going to MD Anderson in Houston for a diagnosis and for treatment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>What were they telling you? Did you have a sense of whether this was benign or malignant? What did you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chris: <\/strong>They had a very strong sense that it was benign\u2014that it was an acoustic neuroma, which it was\u2014so we\u2019re very grateful for that. The difficulty was its location, as Mary just said. It\u2019s almost like if you draw a line between your two ears\u2014I mean, it\u2019s right in the middle\u2014very difficult to get to and surgery would be extremely difficult and very long; and it was about 13 hours.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The risk associated with the surgery related to your hearing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>They said that my tumor was tangled in three nerves; so it would be the nerve that controls your face, your hearing nerve, and your balance nerve. To get it out, they knew there\u2019s no way to get it out without damaging some of those. They damaged my hearing nerve, so I lost all the hearing on one side. It\u2019s completely gone, which is good; because there\u2019s no noise. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chris: <\/strong>\u2014to your right, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Then they had to completely snip my balance nerve on that side. My face was fine.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Talk about the fear.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>I don\u2019t feel like, as we went into it, I don\u2019t remember feeling that God was preparing me that this was going to be the end for me. I remember I went to lunch once with Barbara Rainey. She was like: \u201cOkay; I know what you\u2019re telling everybody else. What\u2019s the real story?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, when you go into a difficulty surgery, sometimes you think, \u201cOkay, what\u2019s the worst that could happen here?\u201d I remember feeling: \u201cAs a believer, if you wake up in the arms of Jesus, that\u2019s not a bad thing. If things go well, that\u2019s awesome too.\u201d I think with brain surgery, you think, \u201cThe worst case scenario would be, if I wake up and I\u2019m not me again, and I\u2019m not able to be a mom or a wife in the same way that I was before.\u201d You don\u2019t want to be a burden to your family, so that would have been the worst case scenario for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Living now with a disability, do you find it challenging? Do you find yourself going: \u201cGod, why this? Why is this my life?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>I mean, I don\u2019t challenge it; I think you just have to laugh. It still holds my earring; you know, my ear\u2019s still there. [Laughter] We just laugh about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, especially in the Western world, when difficulty comes your way, we sometimes have the tendency to just want it to go away as quickly as possible with no fallout. 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But when your kids are going through it, it\u2019s a tougher deal.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou had that experience happen; then a year after you had had your surgery\u2014tell everybody what happened with your son.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chris: <\/strong>Yes, we picked Charlie up; he was gone for a week-long camp in Arkansas. We picked him up on Saturday morning and had about an hour-and-a-half drive back to home in Little Rock. He just fell asleep in the car, which for him is not necessarily completely unusual. We just probably thought he didn\u2019t have sleep or eating poorly that week.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSaturday to Thursday he would always run a fever in the afternoons. We would give him an Advil<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> and it would break, and he would get back to normal. Well, Thursday, Mary took him to his primary [doctor] and said: \u201cIt\u2019s probably a virus. It\u2019ll run its course in a few days; but by Sunday, if he\u2019s still running a fever, call me.\u201d He was, and we did. The doctor said, \u201cTake him to Children\u2019s Hospital. Let them admit him, check him out\u2014make sure everything\u2019s okay\u2014and run a barrage of tests.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAbout two days later, they had determined that he had developed MRSA bacteria and that it had just settled in the middle of his liver.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>MRSA is an antibiotic-resistant form of staph; it\u2019s bad news.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, he\u2019s in Children\u2019s; they\u2019ve diagnosed him with MRSA. It\u2019s antibiotic-resistant; they didn\u2019t know what to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>They didn\u2019t. We watched our son go from a healthy kid to\u2014I mean, right now, he\u2019s 140 pounds\u2014he ended up getting down to like 92\u2014you know, a feeding tube. His fevers would get to the point where you\u2019d give him medicine for fever and, instead of going down, it would go up. His vitals were tanking. They were doing everything they knew to do, and it wasn\u2019t working. We knew that it was going to be a serious deal.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chris: <\/strong>Man, as a parent, you feel helpless. You\u2019re right, Bob, that comparison of a spouse and your kid\u2014it is different; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Talk about the day you came to work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chris: <\/strong>Yes; this sounds so stupid\u2014that I went to work\u2014but Mary is a mom. She <em>refused<\/em> to leave Charlie and would spend the night in the hospital every night. We still did have a daughter, who was a senior at the time; so I would go and stay till ten \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\to\u2019 clock at night and then I would go home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTypically, the doctors would round about nine o\u2019 clock in the morning. I\u2019m a morning person, so I would go into the office. I would work for an hour-and-a-half and then try to be at the hospital every morning\u2014and then gauge how the day would unfold\u2014whether I would just stay and continue to support; or if it was a holding-pattern day, I would go back to the office.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat morning, I backed into the parking lot at maybe 7:45. Our program, <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, is 7:30-8:00. This was July 18; it was ten days after we figured out what was going on with Charlie; he had atrophied tremendously. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was the first day that Ron and Nan were sharing about their story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Their story is the loss of their son, Connor, who at age 12, died from a MRSA infection\/from a staph infection.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Yes, and we knew this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chris: <\/strong>Yes, we knew the story very intimately. They\u2019re sharing that, on day ten is, unfortunately, when they lost Connor. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m sitting in the car; I\u2019m listening to this program. About 7:45, when they say that, I just have this question hit me, like: \u201cWhat are you doing?! Why are you getting ready to go into work?\u201d It just dawned on me again that, \u201cThis is day ten for Charlie.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI cranked my car, going to the hospital. It was a tough day\u2014just one of those days; I think we all have them, where it\u2019s a mental snapshot in your mind of your life\u2014you can go back to certain days, as a kid or whatever, and you can see it in color\u2014you know it; you can smell it\u2014I mean, it\u2019s just one of those days. That was one for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn the afternoon, we\u2019re with Charlie, just having conversation. He just says to me, \u201cI don\u2019t think I\u2019m ever going to leave this room.\u201d [Emotion in voice] I knew I should have brought a hand towel. [Laughter] The first reaction: \u201cYou know, he\u2019s complaining because he\u2019s in the hospital; who wouldn\u2019t? Ten days lying in the bed; you can\u2019t get up; he\u2019s miserable; he\u2019s throwing up all the time; he can\u2019t keep food down; he has a feeding tube.\u201d But when I looked at him, what he meant was like, \u201cThis is it!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt ten o\u2019 clock, I\u2019m driving home; and I just <em>lose<\/em> it. Brian [fellow staff member], yesterday morning, shared a question that Jesus asked His disciples. It\u2019s the exact same question Jesus asked me on that 20-minute drive home\u2014when I\u2019m doubting, when I\u2019m angry; I feel helpless\u2014\u201cChris, who do you say I am?\u201d That was a deep stake in my faith that night, that Jesus drove a little bit deeper for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was a day ten; on day twenty-three, he continued to digress. The decision was made that he needed to be air-lifted to Cincinnati. One of the toughest things in my life I\u2019ve ever had to do was watch the door close and me get back in the ambulance to go back to the hospital, where our car was. Then our middle daughter and I got in the car the next morning, and we drove the ten hours to Cincinnati to join them. He spent another 30 days in Cincinnati.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The good news is there was a breakthrough.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>There was. I mean, I think, just because there was no one else like him, there was no protocol of how to treat him. You know, when you have a surgery, sometimes they give you all the things that could go wrong; and for us, it was a blank sheet of paper; because they didn\u2019t know what it would be. He was taking the strongest antibiotics\u2014five or six of them at the highest doses\u2014and nothing was working.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs a mom, I think you reach the point, where you\u2019re like\u2014we knew Nan and Ron; we knew the risks\u2014so I think you have to process these things on difficult levels. My moment\u2014it was my Abraham and Isaac moment\u2014of just, you know, that control is an illusion; and you have absolutely no control here. I remember wrestling with God. I felt like He was asking me: \u201cDo you believe that I love Charlie as much as you do? If I chose to take him home, would you still think I\u2019m good?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, in life, we have things\u2014you know, we are willing: \u201cLord, we\u2019ll go to Africa and serve for You,\u201d \u201cWe\u2019ll go into ministry; we\u2019ll raise support,\u201d \u201cWe\u2019ll do whatever.\u201d But I think, if we\u2019re honest with ourselves, we all have an untouchable list, like: \u201cNo, not my child; not that, Lord. You can do anything else\u2014we\u2019ll go anywhere You want us to go\u2014but not my child,\u201d \u201c\u2026not my marriage,\u201d \u201c\u2026not my grandchild.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there were things\/I felt like God was just <em>prying<\/em> my fingers loose of the things that were heaviest on my heart that are heavy on His, too; He cares about the same things we do. Sometimes, the things that we grip the tightest are the very places He wants to get in there and work, if we will just give Him access. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe know God doesn\u2019t love us or our child any more than the child across the hall, whose story was going to end differently; so we had to get to the point: \u201cLord, if Charlie got to go be with Jesus, that\u2019s great for him. It would be something I probably would never get over, as a mom; but I have to trust that You are good and You have a plan.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We were all in Little Rock, praying for you guys and hearing reports, \u201cWell, they\u2019re going to try this\u2026\u201d \u201cNo, that didn\u2019t work. They\u2019re going to try this\u2026.\u201d \u201cNo, that didn\u2019t work.\u201d I mean, this was kind of the, \u201cWell, they\u2019re going to now try this\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat was the breakthrough, medically? What did they do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>There was some resident in Cincinnati, who had read a study about something in China that had never been done before\/nobody knew. He would be put under every Monday and Thursday; they put drains directly into his liver, and would inject vancomycin into his liver, shut it off, hold it for several hours and let it out at the end of the day. He was put under anesthesia two times a week for a couple weeks, and his fever finally broke. It was the first time in 60 days there had been no fever. Yes, it worked.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>As you think about what you\u2019ve been through: <em>your<\/em> health issues, Charlie\u2019s health issues, and the mission that God has called you to\u2014to effectively develop godly marriages and families that change the world one home at a time\u2014how has what you\u2019ve gone through affected your thinking about the mission that we\u2019re a part of?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>I think family is the Trojan horse. I was recently with a group of women. We went around, as our last day together; we\u2019re like: \u201cWhat is your prayer request? As God put you on my heart; how can I pray for you?\u201d Every single person in the room, it was: \u201cHere\u2019s what\u2019s going on in our marriage,\u201d \u201cThis is where I am with my children.\u201d It was all prayer requests about the family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s a tender spot in the heart of every human, who wants their family to go well; so because of that, once life goes poorly, people are willing to hear about God and Jesus in ways that, when life is perfect, they\u2019re not. We know that intimately. It\u2019s a sacred spot to be able to walk with families through hard things. Really, life is not about the good things or the bad things that happen to you; but \u201cWhat do you do with those?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe quickly realized that our lives are not our own, and there\u2019s always an army of people watching you. I remember when Charlie was sick\u2014especially since we had all of our international staff in from all the different countries\u2014I\u2019m reading all the prayer requests to him; and we had the blog, and I looked at it this morning; there were 55 countries following his story. I\u2019m like, \u201cWho but God?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou realize that you have the opportunity to show: \u201cWhen life is going great, so be it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>\u201cWhen life goes poorly, and you handle it and walk through it differently than everyone else, I think that\u2019s when people are like: \u2018Tell me about this Jesus. How can you be calm when life is chaotic?\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I heard John Piper say\u2014he said: \u201cYour pagan next-door neighbor\u2014if something good happens to him, he says, \u2018Well, that was lucky.\u2019 The fact that something good happened to you and you say, \u2018Well, praise the Lord,\u2019 that doesn\u2019t cause your next-door neighbor to go, \u2018Oh, I want to know more about Jesus.\u2019 But when you go through trials and you say, \u2018Bless the Lord,\u2019 your next-door neighbor goes, \u2018Now, you need to explain that to me\u2019\u201d; right?\u2014yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chris: <\/strong>Just kind of a takeaway thought for me this weekend, that hit me last night, was that the characteristic of God does not change given my circumstances and how that provides peace and hope\u2014to your point of people who do not know Him\u2014when they are in the valleys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, we\u2019ve been listening to a conversation I had not long ago with Chris and Mary Herndon, speakers at our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway\u2014part of the staff\/the team, here at FamilyLife\u2014sharing about the journey that they\u2019ve been on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve said so many times\u2014Matthew, Chapter 7, says: \u201cIf your house is built on sand, when the storms come, you\u2019re going to be in trouble.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Big, great crash.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But if you are working today, in the calm, to build your marriage\/to build your family on the Rock, when the storms come\u2014and they will come\u2014your house can stand.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It is really difficult to build a foundation in a storm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>You do it before the storm, knowing they\u2019re coming. We\u2019ve seen Chris and Mary\u2019s story and their storm reconciled, because they had a foundation\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014of Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I love how Chris ended, too; because he talked about how God\u2019s faithfulness never changes. He\u2019s always there with us\/for us\u2014fighting for us\u2014sometimes it doesn\u2019t feel like it, but He\u2019s <em>always<\/em> there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Circumstances are going to change; God\u2019s character won\u2019t change. That\u2019s our anchor; that\u2019s our rock in the midst of the storm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tChris and Mary shared this story as a part of a new devotional that FamilyLife has put together, a 52-week devotional for couples. There\u2019s one devotion each week for \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t52 weeks. These are devotions that are written by couples, who speak at our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaways\/some of our FamilyLife staff and team. The devotional is called <em>The Story of Us<\/em>. You [Dave and Ann] have a devotional or two in there; I have one. This is just a great tool for couples to continue to direct their marriage toward God by, once a week, reading the devotional together\/praying together as a couple.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019d love for you to get a copy of <em>The Story of Us<\/em> couples\u2019 devotional. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to order your copy of this devotional. Again, it\u2019s called <em>The Story of Us<\/em>. You can order, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329\u20141-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY,\u201d to get a copy of <em>The Story of Us<\/em> couples\u2019 devotional.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019ve heard us say this before: \u201cThe time to build and strengthen your marriage is not when the storm hits; it\u2019s before the storm hits. You build the foundation when things are going well.\u201d To be in a devotional like this, once a week throughout the year, that\u2019s part of how you build a foundation; or maybe you get the video series we\u2019ve talked about this week. This is how you build a foundation so that, when the storms come, your marriage can stand strong in those storms. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information about the devotional, <em>The Story of Us<\/em>, or about the <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> video series, featuring Dave and Ann Wilson: the five sessions that are available on <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>. The website, again, is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call if you\u2019re ready to order these resources: call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u20141-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, thanks to those of you who make <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> possible: our Legacy Partners, who give each month; those of you who will donate from time to time. 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