{"id":305922,"date":"2020-04-14T07:00:05","date_gmt":"2020-04-14T11:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/strategies-for-standing-firm-through-coronavirus\/"},"modified":"2020-04-14T07:00:05","modified_gmt":"2020-04-14T11:00:05","slug":"strategies-for-standing-firm-through-coronavirus","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/strategies-for-standing-firm-through-coronavirus\/","title":{"rendered":"Strategies for Standing Firm Through Coronavirus"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dr. John Piper explains why a feeling of fear and lost-ness is foriegn to a culture normally self-sufficient in our abundance. 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Thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition. This is the virtual edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, as we are not side by side as we normally are; but we\u2019re separated as we\u2019re supposed to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDave, I think this is a time when all of us are adjusting to a new normal. We don\u2019t know how long this normal is going to be the new normal. All of us are having to be reminded, regularly, of what we know is true; because we forget, or we doubt, or we get distracted. Those reminders are important, aren\u2019t they?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; I mean, I have to tell you\u2014I wake up every morning, and the first thing I want to do\u2014and I usually do this\u2014is go to the Word of God; but my phone opens up and notifications are <em>waiting<\/em> for me, just catch up on what\u2019s happening in the world. It\u2019s pretty much bad news. I have to tell you\u2014I\u2019ve found myself almost depressed. I was very discouraged, scared, fearful, worried about economy, future, the church. I\u2019ll tell you\u2014I\u2019ve <em>never<\/em> experienced anything like it; I don\u2019t think any of us have.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnn, it\u2019s one thing for us to have to try to figure this out for ourselves\u2014but then, when we\u2019re leading a family and we have kids involved, and we\u2019re thinking, \u201cI have to help <em>them<\/em> make sense of this, and I\u2019m not sure I\u2019m making sense of it myself,\u201d\u2014you\u2019re talking to a lot of moms, who are trying to figure out that new rhythm; aren\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes; I think it\u2019s hard, too, because we may be feeling anxious and scared; and I think our kids pick up on those things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>They read us; and they see it, and they feel it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI agree with Dave\u2014even with young kids, maybe they\u2019re around you all the time\u2014but even to play worship music. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Word for me right now is the most important thing in my life; it\u2019s my stronghold and my anchor. I tell you\u2014when I\u2019m not in it, I can just go to bad places. I think even memorizing Scripture with our kids; maybe singing some praise songs together; and teaching them, \u201cThis is how I get my mind stayed on Christ.\u201d I think those practices could be really essential, even in this time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We\u2019re getting some help this week in trusting in the Lord and understanding what God is up to in the midst of the coronavirus from Dr. John Piper. John, welcome again to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Thank you. It\u2019s an honor to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You have spent the better part of the last couple of weeks praying, and meditating, and writing, and thinking about how we can look at and think rightly about our current moment, and about the coronavirus, and all that we\u2019re living through in these days. The audiobook and the e-book of what you\u2019ve written are available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com for any of our listeners who would like to go and download those; they are available for free. The printed edition of the book will be available here in a few weeks, and there\u2019s information available on our website if listeners would like to order copies of this book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just say\u2014I think this is a book, not just to get and read for yourself, but this is the kind of thing I want to be handing out to neighbors\/I want to be passing on to others, who are asking spiritual questions in this moment in a way that I haven\u2019t seen people asking spiritual questions in the last decade.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJohn, speak to that. This does seem to be an unusual moment for us to be engaged evangelistically, at least, in America; do you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Yes, I think when people <em>feel<\/em> vulnerable, they are in touch with reality; because they <em>are<\/em> vulnerable. We are not God, and can feel like God when all is well. I would say God is helping people feel lost, helping people feel desperate, helping people feel like they really are; in other words, it\u2019s a reality check. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re always vulnerable. I mean, just think of it: I go to bed at night, and I lift up my arm like this, and take my pulse and think, \u201cBoom, boom, boom\u201d\u2014that\u2019s pretty fast right now; I\u2019m excited with you guys\u2014[Laughter]\u2014I take it and think, \u201cAny one of those\/any one of those could just be my last, just like that!\u201d I have <em>zero<\/em> control over that; isn\u2019t that amazing?!\u2014<em>amazing<\/em>! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNobody\/who does that?\u2014who pauses, feels vulnerable, feels desperate, knows they\u2019re going to meet their Maker any <em>minute<\/em>? Are they ready?\u2014no, they\u2019re <em>not<\/em>. Let\u2019s get them ready!\u2014\u201cHe sent a Savior.\u201d \u201cI\u2019m going to embrace the Savior. I\u2019m going to sleep in peace and get rid of all my guilt and all my condemnation. Yes! Now, I can sleep!\u201d Who does that?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut now, you don\u2019t have to take your pulse; you just have to look out the window: \u201cMy pulse is gone! This city\u2019s <em>shut down<\/em>. What\u2019s God up to?\u201d He\u2019s up to a reality check. When we speak to people, I would think it\u2019s the most natural thing in the world to say, \u201cWow, easy to be afraid; isn\u2019t it? Makes you think about God; makes you think about death; makes you think about eternity; doesn\u2019t it?\u201d So yes, it\u2019s a golden opportunity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, when 1 Peter 3:15 is quoted in good times\u2014you know, \u201cWhen people ask you a reason for the hope that is in you\u201d\u2014most of us feel kind of weird, because nobody does\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>\u2014right?! [Laughter] Why don\u2019t they?\u2014because everybody\u2019s <em>fine<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat text was spoken into persecution and suffering. If you\u2019re in the middle of suffering and persecution\u2014or suffering and disease\u2014and your hope is strong, and your joy is undaunted, and you\u2019re serving other people, <em>then<\/em> people might begin to say: \u201cHmm; hmm. What are you hoping in?\u2014like you think this is going to turn around in a few weeks? You think the economy\u2019s going to come roaring back and all your 401(k)s are going to be restored?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou say, \u201cNo, that\u2019s really not what I\u2019m thinking.\u201d Then you can say the reason for the hope that is in you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>One of the things you say in your book, John, is that God is calling us to repentance while there\u2019s still time. What does that look like?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Repentance, <em>metanoia<\/em> in the Bible, means \u201cchange of mind\/change of heart.\u201d It\u2019s a transformation; it\u2019s a turnaround. Its flipside is faith; or I would say this: since Jesus is the one who used that more than anybody in the New Testament, what were the two big alternatives to that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne was: \u201cLove God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength\u201d; and the other was: \u201cWhoever loves son or daughter more than Me is unworthy of Me. Whoever loves mother or father more than Me is unworthy of Me.\u201d Jesus is saying, \u201cLove God with all your heart; love Me more than you love anybody.\u201d Those are the alternatives to unrepentance. I think the answer is, Ann, that repenting means bringing your life into alignment with the infinite value of Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen people get to the point, where Jesus and His love in their lives is better than health and better than life, they have now come to the goal of repentance. I think that\u2019s the <em>essence<\/em> of what God is calling for\u2014that\u2019s my prayer. When I bow in prayer, which I did again this morning, I ask God, \u201cOh, God, grant that <em>millions<\/em> of people would be stunned out of the slumbers of unbelief and brought into the experience of <em>seeing<\/em> the beauty and the glory, the sufficiency, the worth of Jesus Christ, and bring their whole life into alignment with His infinite worth.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You preached a sermon years ago\u2014I don\u2019t know if you remember\u2014you were preaching on Matthew 6. You said in that sermon, \u201cI wake up anxious virtually every morning. For whatever reason, it\u2019s a very real experience that I hate and have to deal with every day.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m wondering if that\u2019s still true for you\u2014if it\u2019s an increased anxiety that you\u2019re experiencing in <em>these<\/em> days\u2014and what you do with your own anxiety, because we\u2019re <em>all<\/em> feeling it right now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Yes, I think that\u2019s a thorn that I\u2019m going to take to my grave. [Laughter] I think it\u2019s a flaw\/I think it\u2019s a character flaw, just like everybody has different kinds of flaws; and one of mine would be a proneness to <em>feel<\/em> guilty or <em>feel<\/em> anxious.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn answer to your question, coronavirus has not made that worse; because that\u2019s just frankly <em>not<\/em> where my anxieties come from. I\u2019m not prone to be anxious about dying, or about sickness, or about the world coming to an end, or about America becoming a footnote in the history of the world\u2014those do not cause me to be anxious. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat causes me to be anxious is the possibility that I may not be a Christian\u2014that I might be <em>fake<\/em>\/that everything I\u2019ve ever done might be a farce\u2014those are <em>horrible<\/em>, <em>horrible<\/em> thoughts; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Nevertheless, my warfare is the same, I think, as everybody\u2019s. I take heart from the fact that the Bible says, \u201cWhen I am afraid, I will trust in You,\u201d\u2014not\u2014\u201cBefore I fear, I will trust in You; and therefore, I will never fear.\u201d I mean, we\u2019re not supposed to be afraid; it\u2019s a sin to fear if there\u2019s a promise that we don\u2019t have to be afraid. And yet, everybody\u2019s afraid; and the Bible this is so clear: \u201cWhen I am afraid, I will put my trust in You.\u201d That is a <em>rhythm<\/em> of warfare that happens to every single one of us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul says, at the end of his life\u2014this is just so encouraging to me\u2014\u201cI have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith; henceforth, there is laid up for me a crown of glory waiting for me.\u201d And it\u2019s going to be given to everybody else who loves the appearing of the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, I think what that means is: \u201cTill the day he died, he was fighting for faith,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s where the fight is\u2014every day, all day long, we <em>fight for faith<\/em>. I think the <em>way<\/em> we fight is by the Word of God, and the Spirit of God, and prayer. We take promises: we preach them to ourselves; we call down the Holy Spirit by prayer upon those [promises], that the eyes of our hearts would be opened to see what is the hope of our calling, and the greatness of our inheritance, and the <em>power<\/em> at work in those who believe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod comes\/He sweetly comes in the midst of our early-morning or late-night anxieties; and He takes those promises like a balm, and they break over us. They break over us with the peace that passes all understanding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s so good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I wanted to ask you, and it probably goes along with what you just said: \u201cAs we talk to our kids, who are fearful or who are anxious\u2014who are\/maybe they\u2019re in high school or middle school\u2014questioning God\u2019s goodness, how do we help them understand God\u2019s goodness and love in the midst of this pandemic?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Well, if my grandchildren could visit me\u2014[Laughter]\u2014they came over the other day, but they didn\u2019t come in the house\u2014my answer is: \u201cIf I had kids at home, I would be telling them stories from the Bible, and then some from church history, but especially the Bible\u2014stories in which it is crystal clear that God is sovereign; God is good; God is wise; God does not keep us from pain\/He does not keep us from hard times\u2014He brings us <em>into<\/em> them in order to do good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen you tell them stories. Here are the stories I would tell them: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would tell them the story of Joseph in the Old Testament, right? Thirteen years\u2014I would actually graph it\u2014I drew a graph of this one time for my church of how <em>horrible<\/em> life became for Joseph. Sold into slavery, lied about, left in prison; and after 13 years, the reason becomes clear: he\u2019s going to be made vice-president of Egypt and save the people of God from starvation. He didn\u2019t have a <em>clue<\/em> that\u2019s what God was doing! For all those years, he had no\u2014I think kids will take hold of that and <em>love<\/em> that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJesus is, of course, the most important one to tell kids. I remember one time somebody asked a group, \u201cWho killed Jesus?\u201d They said: \u201cPilate killed Jesus,\u201d \u201cThe soldiers killed Jesus,\u201d \u201cNo, the crowds crucified Him. They killed Jesus.\u201d He says, \u201cNo, His Father killed Him,\u201d\u2014I mean, jaws dropped\u2014\u201cWait, wait, wait.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cIt was the Lord who bruised Him; it pleased Him to put Him to grief\u201d [Isaiah 53:10].\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>When you look at your kids, with their jaws dropped, and you say: \u201cHe did it for us! He did it for us! He raised Him from the dead, and He reigns in heaven today! All that <em>horrible<\/em> experience was planned, scripted by God in the Old Testament, for His Son to suffer and die.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen I would bring it right into their lives with Romans 8:32: \u201cHe who did not spare His own Son, but gave Him up for us all, will He not, with Him, freely give us all things?\u201d You say to your kids: \u201cWhat are the \u2018all things\u2019 that God will give us since He didn\u2019t spare Jesus? He promises to give us all things because He didn\u2019t spare Jesus.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen they give out their answers; and you say, \u201cLet\u2019s look at the verse that follows.\u201d The verse that follows is: \u201cWhat can separate us\u2026? Can tribulation or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness\u2026?\u201d And then you get this word, \u201cNo.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201c\u2026we are being killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep to be slaughtered,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s one of the things He gives us. While your kids are saying, \u201cHow\u2019s that a gift?\u201d you say, \u201cNo, in all these things we are <em>more<\/em> than conquerors through Him who loved us.\u201d We <em>have<\/em> to teach our kids the <em>radical<\/em> understanding of the sovereignty of God in the midst of suffering: that God plans painful things for His children for their <em>good<\/em>. If they don\u2019t have that category, they\u2019ll probably give up on the faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s not just our kids; I think all of us need to be reminded just of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>We\u2019re all like little kids! [Laughter] We\u2019re just <em>desperate<\/em> little kids: \u201cPlease, Daddy; please help me understand what\u2019s going on.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>John, talk to my neighbor: he\u2019s scared to death; he doesn\u2019t believe in God; he thinks God is the cause of all this evil in the world; and he wakes up, stricken with fear. I get to walk across the front yard and stand six feet away; and I get to share some words; because he\u2019s asking questions, even though he\u2019s mad and he\u2019s scared. What would you say?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>So much of what I would say would depend on what I know about him, and what we\u2019ve said before, and what he\u2019s looking like and feeling like right now. But I think, since he\u2019s thinking about God\u2019s being a <em>bad<\/em> God\u2014not denying that He <em>is<\/em> God\u2014I would probably go to the bigger issue than the world\u2019s issue of suffering and say: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, in God\u2019s mind, a thousand years is as a day, and a day is as a thousand years; and eternity is going to be very long. You and I both are going to be there very soon, even if this pandemic goes away tomorrow; we\u2019re going to die, and we\u2019re going to spend eternity <em>somewhere<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod is a God that is just and merciful. He has shown His justice in judgment and He has shown His mercy in sending Jesus into the world. I want to spend eternity with you, and there is one way that we can be together in this; and that is for you to receive Jesus as your Savior and Lord and the treasure of your life. That\u2019s how good God is\u2014that He would suffer\/what [He on] the cross suffered.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019d go there; and in a sense, I would <em>deflect<\/em> the other issues. Now, if he wants to circle back, I\u2019m happy to do that; I have all kinds of biblical things to say. I think you can build out from the cross, and from the core of the gospel, to those other things; because God oversaw the crucifixion of His Son, which was worse than the coronavirus. If He oversaw the crucifixion of His Son, which is worse than the coronavirus, than God can be a good God, even in overseeing the coronavirus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo much of what I would say to people, in a situation like that, is going to depend on every moment: how they\u2019re responding, what they\u2019re looking like, what they\u2019re saying; but that would be my guess of how I would do it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>John, we have just been through the celebration of the resurrection of Christ, as the church, around the world. This is a unique season to be reflecting on His resurrection and the hope of the gospel. How should this recent celebration of the resurrection encourage us and inform us to live in the midst of the coronavirus this week?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Well, the Bible makes explicit the connection between the resurrection of Jesus and the resurrection of believers. \u201cIf the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, then He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also.\u201d I think, at this moment, when we all feel our mortality more than we usually do, it\u2019s <em>perfect<\/em> to say, \u201cWe just celebrated Easter; in Christ, Easter is going to happen to every single person that believes.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMake that connection for people\u2014and the opposite connection\u2014\u201cIf you reject Christ, you enter into eternity without Christ. If you embrace Christ, then your body is raised from the dead; you\u2019re given a glorious body like His glorious body\u2014Peter says in \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t1 Peter 3:21\u2014and you live with Christ in joy forever and ever. The line between Easter\u2014or the resurrection of Jesus and His triumph over death\u2014that line to our hope and <em>our<\/em> resurrection is <em>explicit<\/em>, and clear, and unbreakable in the Bible. We have <em>hope<\/em> for our resurrection precisely because Jesus was raised from the dead.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it is <em>right<\/em> to draw people\u2019s attention to eternal hope, not just temporal hope. If you were to ask me, \u201cShould we care about people\u2019s temporal wellbeing as opposed to their eternal wellbeing?\u201d the sentence that I have used now for ten years is: \u201cChristians care about all suffering, especially eternal suffering,\u201d or \u201cChristians care about saving <em>all<\/em> life, especially eternal life,\u201d or \u201cChristians care about <em>all<\/em> injustice, especially injustice against <em>God<\/em>.\u201d I think it\u2019s <em>right<\/em> to draw people\u2019s attention, in the midst of temporal suffering, to eternal hope. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, when Christians back in the plagues, especially the first two centuries, became risk-taking, loving caregivers for those who were dying when nobody else would, the reason that made such an impact on the world is two reasons, not just one. One reason was they had <em>answers<\/em> to people\u2019s biggest questions, and the other reason was they were willing to risk their lives to bring people some measure of relief. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe answer they had was: \u201cYou know, if you die in the next few days, I can tell you how to be happy forever in God. There is a way that God has made for you to come home to Him, not as an enemy and a judge, but as a friend.\u201d That news made a big difference! I mean, people know when there\u2019s no more hope in this world; and if the only hope you have to offer people is <em>this world<\/em>, then you don\u2019t have a very good message.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That is the reason the Easter story is the greatest story of all time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It gives resurrection power to people that have no power, to have joy they could never manufacture in this world, to have life they could never manufacture in this world. What a grace-giving, life-giving message we have to offer! We have the answer, and everyone is looking for that answer; so let\u2019s use this opportunity to <em>bring<\/em> that to the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>John, you\u2019ve given us a tool to be able to help do that with this book that you\u2019ve written. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThank you for the last two days. They have been an encouragement and full of hope for me; I\u2019m sure for our listeners. And thanks for the book. We\u2019re grateful to have you here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Thank you. I\u2019ll pray that with you\u2014that God will break into many people\u2019s lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Let me just encourage our listeners once again: your book, which is called <em>Coronavirus and Christ<\/em>, we\u2019re making that available <em>free<\/em> for <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners. You can go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and you can download the audiobook or the e-book. The print edition of this book is going to be available here in a couple weeks. There\u2019s information on our website about how you can order a copy of the print book once it\u2019s available; but if you\u2019d like to get the audio book or the e-book now, it\u2019s available for free. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThank you, Dr. Piper and the folks at Desiring God, for making this available for <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners. We\u2019re grateful for that. Find the link on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com so you can get the audiobook or the e-book for free.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s <em>also<\/em> a link on our website that will give you information about other resources we\u2019re making available, here at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>: FamilyLife TV, a weekly presentation that\u2019s available online; you can find that at FamilyLifeToday.com. Our team has been putting together resources to help your family make the most of this season of confinement and social distancing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know, every couple of days, folks are looking for new resources\/new things to do to engage with the kids. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com; there\u2019s a link there to what we\u2019re calling \u201cNot Cancelled,\u201d because family is not cancelled; loving your neighbors is not cancelled; there\u2019s a lot that\u2019s not cancelled in the midst of the coronavirus. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com; and all the information you need is available there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we want to talk about the importance of friendships: healthy, thriving friendship relationships. We live in a culture that is chronically lonely. Kelly Needham is going to join us to talk about how we deal with loneliness and how we pursue friendships, which are important now than maybe ever; right? 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John Piper explains why a feeling of fear and lost-ness is foriegn to a culture normally self-sufficient in our abundance. Learn practical wisdom on things like: how to leverage this unprecedented opportunity, why every day is a fight for faith, how parents can help kids through this, and how the resurrection of Jesus informs&hellip;","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2020-04-14.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition. This is the virtual edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, as we are not side by side as we normally are; but we\u2019re separated as we\u2019re supposed to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDave, I think this is a time when all of us are adjusting to a new normal. We don\u2019t know how long this normal is going to be the new normal. All of us are having to be reminded, regularly, of what we know is true; because we forget, or we doubt, or we get distracted. Those reminders are important, aren\u2019t they?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; I mean, I have to tell you\u2014I wake up every morning, and the first thing I want to do\u2014and I usually do this\u2014is go to the Word of God; but my phone opens up and notifications are <em>waiting<\/em> for me, just catch up on what\u2019s happening in the world. It\u2019s pretty much bad news. I have to tell you\u2014I\u2019ve found myself almost depressed. I was very discouraged, scared, fearful, worried about economy, future, the church. I\u2019ll tell you\u2014I\u2019ve <em>never<\/em> experienced anything like it; I don\u2019t think any of us have.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnn, it\u2019s one thing for us to have to try to figure this out for ourselves\u2014but then, when we\u2019re leading a family and we have kids involved, and we\u2019re thinking, \u201cI have to help <em>them<\/em> make sense of this, and I\u2019m not sure I\u2019m making sense of it myself,\u201d\u2014you\u2019re talking to a lot of moms, who are trying to figure out that new rhythm; aren\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes; I think it\u2019s hard, too, because we may be feeling anxious and scared; and I think our kids pick up on those things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>They read us; and they see it, and they feel it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI agree with Dave\u2014even with young kids, maybe they\u2019re around you all the time\u2014but even to play worship music. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Word for me right now is the most important thing in my life; it\u2019s my stronghold and my anchor. I tell you\u2014when I\u2019m not in it, I can just go to bad places. I think even memorizing Scripture with our kids; maybe singing some praise songs together; and teaching them, \u201cThis is how I get my mind stayed on Christ.\u201d I think those practices could be really essential, even in this time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We\u2019re getting some help this week in trusting in the Lord and understanding what God is up to in the midst of the coronavirus from Dr. John Piper. John, welcome again to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Thank you. It\u2019s an honor to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You have spent the better part of the last couple of weeks praying, and meditating, and writing, and thinking about how we can look at and think rightly about our current moment, and about the coronavirus, and all that we\u2019re living through in these days. The audiobook and the e-book of what you\u2019ve written are available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com for any of our listeners who would like to go and download those; they are available for free. The printed edition of the book will be available here in a few weeks, and there\u2019s information available on our website if listeners would like to order copies of this book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just say\u2014I think this is a book, not just to get and read for yourself, but this is the kind of thing I want to be handing out to neighbors\/I want to be passing on to others, who are asking spiritual questions in this moment in a way that I haven\u2019t seen people asking spiritual questions in the last decade.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJohn, speak to that. This does seem to be an unusual moment for us to be engaged evangelistically, at least, in America; do you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Yes, I think when people <em>feel<\/em> vulnerable, they are in touch with reality; because they <em>are<\/em> vulnerable. We are not God, and can feel like God when all is well. I would say God is helping people feel lost, helping people feel desperate, helping people feel like they really are; in other words, it\u2019s a reality check. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re always vulnerable. I mean, just think of it: I go to bed at night, and I lift up my arm like this, and take my pulse and think, \u201cBoom, boom, boom\u201d\u2014that\u2019s pretty fast right now; I\u2019m excited with you guys\u2014[Laughter]\u2014I take it and think, \u201cAny one of those\/any one of those could just be my last, just like that!\u201d I have <em>zero<\/em> control over that; isn\u2019t that amazing?!\u2014<em>amazing<\/em>! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNobody\/who does that?\u2014who pauses, feels vulnerable, feels desperate, knows they\u2019re going to meet their Maker any <em>minute<\/em>? Are they ready?\u2014no, they\u2019re <em>not<\/em>. Let\u2019s get them ready!\u2014\u201cHe sent a Savior.\u201d \u201cI\u2019m going to embrace the Savior. I\u2019m going to sleep in peace and get rid of all my guilt and all my condemnation. Yes! Now, I can sleep!\u201d Who does that?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut now, you don\u2019t have to take your pulse; you just have to look out the window: \u201cMy pulse is gone! This city\u2019s <em>shut down<\/em>. What\u2019s God up to?\u201d He\u2019s up to a reality check. When we speak to people, I would think it\u2019s the most natural thing in the world to say, \u201cWow, easy to be afraid; isn\u2019t it? Makes you think about God; makes you think about death; makes you think about eternity; doesn\u2019t it?\u201d So yes, it\u2019s a golden opportunity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, when 1 Peter 3:15 is quoted in good times\u2014you know, \u201cWhen people ask you a reason for the hope that is in you\u201d\u2014most of us feel kind of weird, because nobody does\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>\u2014right?! [Laughter] Why don\u2019t they?\u2014because everybody\u2019s <em>fine<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat text was spoken into persecution and suffering. If you\u2019re in the middle of suffering and persecution\u2014or suffering and disease\u2014and your hope is strong, and your joy is undaunted, and you\u2019re serving other people, <em>then<\/em> people might begin to say: \u201cHmm; hmm. What are you hoping in?\u2014like you think this is going to turn around in a few weeks? You think the economy\u2019s going to come roaring back and all your 401(k)s are going to be restored?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou say, \u201cNo, that\u2019s really not what I\u2019m thinking.\u201d Then you can say the reason for the hope that is in you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>One of the things you say in your book, John, is that God is calling us to repentance while there\u2019s still time. What does that look like?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Repentance, <em>metanoia<\/em> in the Bible, means \u201cchange of mind\/change of heart.\u201d It\u2019s a transformation; it\u2019s a turnaround. Its flipside is faith; or I would say this: since Jesus is the one who used that more than anybody in the New Testament, what were the two big alternatives to that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne was: \u201cLove God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength\u201d; and the other was: \u201cWhoever loves son or daughter more than Me is unworthy of Me. Whoever loves mother or father more than Me is unworthy of Me.\u201d Jesus is saying, \u201cLove God with all your heart; love Me more than you love anybody.\u201d Those are the alternatives to unrepentance. I think the answer is, Ann, that repenting means bringing your life into alignment with the infinite value of Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen people get to the point, where Jesus and His love in their lives is better than health and better than life, they have now come to the goal of repentance. I think that\u2019s the <em>essence<\/em> of what God is calling for\u2014that\u2019s my prayer. When I bow in prayer, which I did again this morning, I ask God, \u201cOh, God, grant that <em>millions<\/em> of people would be stunned out of the slumbers of unbelief and brought into the experience of <em>seeing<\/em> the beauty and the glory, the sufficiency, the worth of Jesus Christ, and bring their whole life into alignment with His infinite worth.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You preached a sermon years ago\u2014I don\u2019t know if you remember\u2014you were preaching on Matthew 6. You said in that sermon, \u201cI wake up anxious virtually every morning. For whatever reason, it\u2019s a very real experience that I hate and have to deal with every day.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m wondering if that\u2019s still true for you\u2014if it\u2019s an increased anxiety that you\u2019re experiencing in <em>these<\/em> days\u2014and what you do with your own anxiety, because we\u2019re <em>all<\/em> feeling it right now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Yes, I think that\u2019s a thorn that I\u2019m going to take to my grave. [Laughter] I think it\u2019s a flaw\/I think it\u2019s a character flaw, just like everybody has different kinds of flaws; and one of mine would be a proneness to <em>feel<\/em> guilty or <em>feel<\/em> anxious.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn answer to your question, coronavirus has not made that worse; because that\u2019s just frankly <em>not<\/em> where my anxieties come from. I\u2019m not prone to be anxious about dying, or about sickness, or about the world coming to an end, or about America becoming a footnote in the history of the world\u2014those do not cause me to be anxious. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat causes me to be anxious is the possibility that I may not be a Christian\u2014that I might be <em>fake<\/em>\/that everything I\u2019ve ever done might be a farce\u2014those are <em>horrible<\/em>, <em>horrible<\/em> thoughts; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Nevertheless, my warfare is the same, I think, as everybody\u2019s. I take heart from the fact that the Bible says, \u201cWhen I am afraid, I will trust in You,\u201d\u2014not\u2014\u201cBefore I fear, I will trust in You; and therefore, I will never fear.\u201d I mean, we\u2019re not supposed to be afraid; it\u2019s a sin to fear if there\u2019s a promise that we don\u2019t have to be afraid. And yet, everybody\u2019s afraid; and the Bible this is so clear: \u201cWhen I am afraid, I will put my trust in You.\u201d That is a <em>rhythm<\/em> of warfare that happens to every single one of us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul says, at the end of his life\u2014this is just so encouraging to me\u2014\u201cI have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith; henceforth, there is laid up for me a crown of glory waiting for me.\u201d And it\u2019s going to be given to everybody else who loves the appearing of the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, I think what that means is: \u201cTill the day he died, he was fighting for faith,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s where the fight is\u2014every day, all day long, we <em>fight for faith<\/em>. I think the <em>way<\/em> we fight is by the Word of God, and the Spirit of God, and prayer. We take promises: we preach them to ourselves; we call down the Holy Spirit by prayer upon those [promises], that the eyes of our hearts would be opened to see what is the hope of our calling, and the greatness of our inheritance, and the <em>power<\/em> at work in those who believe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod comes\/He sweetly comes in the midst of our early-morning or late-night anxieties; and He takes those promises like a balm, and they break over us. They break over us with the peace that passes all understanding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s so good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I wanted to ask you, and it probably goes along with what you just said: \u201cAs we talk to our kids, who are fearful or who are anxious\u2014who are\/maybe they\u2019re in high school or middle school\u2014questioning God\u2019s goodness, how do we help them understand God\u2019s goodness and love in the midst of this pandemic?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Well, if my grandchildren could visit me\u2014[Laughter]\u2014they came over the other day, but they didn\u2019t come in the house\u2014my answer is: \u201cIf I had kids at home, I would be telling them stories from the Bible, and then some from church history, but especially the Bible\u2014stories in which it is crystal clear that God is sovereign; God is good; God is wise; God does not keep us from pain\/He does not keep us from hard times\u2014He brings us <em>into<\/em> them in order to do good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen you tell them stories. 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They killed Jesus.\u201d He says, \u201cNo, His Father killed Him,\u201d\u2014I mean, jaws dropped\u2014\u201cWait, wait, wait.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cIt was the Lord who bruised Him; it pleased Him to put Him to grief\u201d [Isaiah 53:10].\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>When you look at your kids, with their jaws dropped, and you say: \u201cHe did it for us! He did it for us! He raised Him from the dead, and He reigns in heaven today! All that <em>horrible<\/em> experience was planned, scripted by God in the Old Testament, for His Son to suffer and die.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen I would bring it right into their lives with Romans 8:32: \u201cHe who did not spare His own Son, but gave Him up for us all, will He not, with Him, freely give us all things?\u201d You say to your kids: \u201cWhat are the \u2018all things\u2019 that God will give us since He didn\u2019t spare Jesus? He promises to give us all things because He didn\u2019t spare Jesus.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen they give out their answers; and you say, \u201cLet\u2019s look at the verse that follows.\u201d The verse that follows is: \u201cWhat can separate us\u2026? Can tribulation or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness\u2026?\u201d And then you get this word, \u201cNo.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201c\u2026we are being killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep to be slaughtered,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s one of the things He gives us. While your kids are saying, \u201cHow\u2019s that a gift?\u201d you say, \u201cNo, in all these things we are <em>more<\/em> than conquerors through Him who loved us.\u201d We <em>have<\/em> to teach our kids the <em>radical<\/em> understanding of the sovereignty of God in the midst of suffering: that God plans painful things for His children for their <em>good<\/em>. If they don\u2019t have that category, they\u2019ll probably give up on the faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s not just our kids; I think all of us need to be reminded just of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>We\u2019re all like little kids! [Laughter] We\u2019re just <em>desperate<\/em> little kids: \u201cPlease, Daddy; please help me understand what\u2019s going on.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>John, talk to my neighbor: he\u2019s scared to death; he doesn\u2019t believe in God; he thinks God is the cause of all this evil in the world; and he wakes up, stricken with fear. I get to walk across the front yard and stand six feet away; and I get to share some words; because he\u2019s asking questions, even though he\u2019s mad and he\u2019s scared. What would you say?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>So much of what I would say would depend on what I know about him, and what we\u2019ve said before, and what he\u2019s looking like and feeling like right now. But I think, since he\u2019s thinking about God\u2019s being a <em>bad<\/em> God\u2014not denying that He <em>is<\/em> God\u2014I would probably go to the bigger issue than the world\u2019s issue of suffering and say: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, in God\u2019s mind, a thousand years is as a day, and a day is as a thousand years; and eternity is going to be very long. You and I both are going to be there very soon, even if this pandemic goes away tomorrow; we\u2019re going to die, and we\u2019re going to spend eternity <em>somewhere<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod is a God that is just and merciful. He has shown His justice in judgment and He has shown His mercy in sending Jesus into the world. I want to spend eternity with you, and there is one way that we can be together in this; and that is for you to receive Jesus as your Savior and Lord and the treasure of your life. That\u2019s how good God is\u2014that He would suffer\/what [He on] the cross suffered.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019d go there; and in a sense, I would <em>deflect<\/em> the other issues. Now, if he wants to circle back, I\u2019m happy to do that; I have all kinds of biblical things to say. I think you can build out from the cross, and from the core of the gospel, to those other things; because God oversaw the crucifixion of His Son, which was worse than the coronavirus. If He oversaw the crucifixion of His Son, which is worse than the coronavirus, than God can be a good God, even in overseeing the coronavirus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo much of what I would say to people, in a situation like that, is going to depend on every moment: how they\u2019re responding, what they\u2019re looking like, what they\u2019re saying; but that would be my guess of how I would do it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>John, we have just been through the celebration of the resurrection of Christ, as the church, around the world. This is a unique season to be reflecting on His resurrection and the hope of the gospel. How should this recent celebration of the resurrection encourage us and inform us to live in the midst of the coronavirus this week?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Well, the Bible makes explicit the connection between the resurrection of Jesus and the resurrection of believers. \u201cIf the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, then He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also.\u201d I think, at this moment, when we all feel our mortality more than we usually do, it\u2019s <em>perfect<\/em> to say, \u201cWe just celebrated Easter; in Christ, Easter is going to happen to every single person that believes.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMake that connection for people\u2014and the opposite connection\u2014\u201cIf you reject Christ, you enter into eternity without Christ. If you embrace Christ, then your body is raised from the dead; you\u2019re given a glorious body like His glorious body\u2014Peter says in \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t1 Peter 3:21\u2014and you live with Christ in joy forever and ever. The line between Easter\u2014or the resurrection of Jesus and His triumph over death\u2014that line to our hope and <em>our<\/em> resurrection is <em>explicit<\/em>, and clear, and unbreakable in the Bible. We have <em>hope<\/em> for our resurrection precisely because Jesus was raised from the dead.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it is <em>right<\/em> to draw people\u2019s attention to eternal hope, not just temporal hope. If you were to ask me, \u201cShould we care about people\u2019s temporal wellbeing as opposed to their eternal wellbeing?\u201d the sentence that I have used now for ten years is: \u201cChristians care about all suffering, especially eternal suffering,\u201d or \u201cChristians care about saving <em>all<\/em> life, especially eternal life,\u201d or \u201cChristians care about <em>all<\/em> injustice, especially injustice against <em>God<\/em>.\u201d I think it\u2019s <em>right<\/em> to draw people\u2019s attention, in the midst of temporal suffering, to eternal hope. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, when Christians back in the plagues, especially the first two centuries, became risk-taking, loving caregivers for those who were dying when nobody else would, the reason that made such an impact on the world is two reasons, not just one. One reason was they had <em>answers<\/em> to people\u2019s biggest questions, and the other reason was they were willing to risk their lives to bring people some measure of relief. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe answer they had was: \u201cYou know, if you die in the next few days, I can tell you how to be happy forever in God. There is a way that God has made for you to come home to Him, not as an enemy and a judge, but as a friend.\u201d That news made a big difference! I mean, people know when there\u2019s no more hope in this world; and if the only hope you have to offer people is <em>this world<\/em>, then you don\u2019t have a very good message.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That is the reason the Easter story is the greatest story of all time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It gives resurrection power to people that have no power, to have joy they could never manufacture in this world, to have life they could never manufacture in this world. What a grace-giving, life-giving message we have to offer! We have the answer, and everyone is looking for that answer; so let\u2019s use this opportunity to <em>bring<\/em> that to the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>John, you\u2019ve given us a tool to be able to help do that with this book that you\u2019ve written. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThank you for the last two days. They have been an encouragement and full of hope for me; I\u2019m sure for our listeners. And thanks for the book. We\u2019re grateful to have you here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Thank you. I\u2019ll pray that with you\u2014that God will break into many people\u2019s lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Let me just encourage our listeners once again: your book, which is called <em>Coronavirus and Christ<\/em>, we\u2019re making that available <em>free<\/em> for <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners. You can go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and you can download the audiobook or the e-book. The print edition of this book is going to be available here in a couple weeks. There\u2019s information on our website about how you can order a copy of the print book once it\u2019s available; but if you\u2019d like to get the audio book or the e-book now, it\u2019s available for free. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThank you, Dr. Piper and the folks at Desiring God, for making this available for <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners. We\u2019re grateful for that. Find the link on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com so you can get the audiobook or the e-book for free.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s <em>also<\/em> a link on our website that will give you information about other resources we\u2019re making available, here at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>: FamilyLife TV, a weekly presentation that\u2019s available online; you can find that at FamilyLifeToday.com. Our team has been putting together resources to help your family make the most of this season of confinement and social distancing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know, every couple of days, folks are looking for new resources\/new things to do to engage with the kids. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com; there\u2019s a link there to what we\u2019re calling \u201cNot Cancelled,\u201d because family is not cancelled; loving your neighbors is not cancelled; there\u2019s a lot that\u2019s not cancelled in the midst of the coronavirus. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com; and all the information you need is available there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we want to talk about the importance of friendships: healthy, thriving friendship relationships. We live in a culture that is chronically lonely. Kelly Needham is going to join us to talk about how we deal with loneliness and how we pursue friendships, which are important now than maybe ever; right? 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