{"id":305919,"date":"2020-04-13T07:00:04","date_gmt":"2020-04-13T11:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-goodness-of-god-in-the-face-of-a-pandemic\/"},"modified":"2020-04-13T07:00:04","modified_gmt":"2020-04-13T11:00:04","slug":"the-goodness-of-god-in-the-face-of-a-pandemic","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-goodness-of-god-in-the-face-of-a-pandemic\/","title":{"rendered":"The Goodness of God in the Face of a Pandemic"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>John Piper discusses his new and timely book &#8220;Coronavirus and Christ.&#8221; Dr. Piper unpacks with profound wisdom the core questions related to how God can be good in the midst of such suffering, including how God is using Coronavirus to awaken us from the slumber of our own sin, and what are the glorious purposes that God is achieving in the world through this.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/mp3.familylife.com\/fl2020-04-13.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:25:34","filesize":"23.41M","filesize_raw":"24549191","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2848,2822],"tags":[6838],"podcast_series":[8351],"cwp_profile":[8883],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-305919","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-cultural-issues","category-growing-in-your-faith","tag-coronavirus","podcast_series-coronavirus-and-christ","cwp_profile-john-piper","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/305919\/the-goodness-of-god-in-the-face-of-a-pandemic","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/305919\/the-goodness-of-god-in-the-face-of-a-pandemic","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"hRU5ugauf4\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-goodness-of-god-in-the-face-of-a-pandemic\/\">The Goodness of God in the Face of a Pandemic<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-goodness-of-god-in-the-face-of-a-pandemic\/embed\/#?secret=hRU5ugauf4\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;The Goodness of God in the Face of a Pandemic&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"hRU5ugauf4\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Thanks for joining us on the Monday edition. We are separated today as we have a special program for you. Dave and Ann Wilson are away from our studios in Little Rock, but we\u2019re connected. This is how we\u2019re doing life these days, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>We\u2019re looking at each other on a screen. I\u2019ve been in, it feels like, hundreds of screen meetings in the last couple weeks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s not the same as being side by side, but I\u2019m grateful that we have this technology available to us; right, Ann?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>It\u2019s so good to see you, Bob!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We are delighted today to be able to have Dr. John Piper joining us. I think most of our listeners know about John from his writing\/from his years of pastoral ministry at Bethlehem Baptist Church. He is the head of a ministry called Desiring God. Most of his sermons\/his books are available at the DesiringGod.org website. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJohn\u2019s been on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> with us before. John, we\u2019re thrilled to have you back again with us today. This moment we\u2019re living in today is a moment unlike anything I can remember in my lifetime. In your years of pastoral ministry, has there been anything like this that you\u2019ve walked through before?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>No; but as soon as I say, \u201cNo,\u201d\u2014I mean, I said to somebody the other day, \u201cThis is not unique just to us, I think it\u2019s unique in the history of the world.\u201d Even though there have been pandemics, there\u2019s never been a time when the globe is connected like it is. Everybody knows what\u2019s happening everywhere, and it passes instantaneously through travel; that\u2019s never happened. I mean, when we talk about pandemics in the first two centuries, or the black plague, we don\u2019t know whether that touched the American Indians; we don\u2019t know. But we know this\u2014and this has never happened before\u2014with this kind of connectedness and this kind of awareness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut here\u2019s the thing that I think is so crucial. When you ask, \u201cHas it ever happened before?\u201d namely, it\u2019s happened every time somebody suffocates. I mean, I\u2019ve stood beside many beds, where people are on ventilators. The unique thing about it is just how many. I think that\u2019s really important to say, because every one of us is going to go through a coronavirus; we\u2019re going to die. The dying process will be scary; it won\u2019t be easy; so in a sense, death and suffering are very <em>personal<\/em>. The fact that I know people, who have this disease, or that 10,000 people are dying right now, that\u2019s just a statistic; but when <em>my<\/em> throat starts to close up, and I can\u2019t get <em>my<\/em> breath\u2014and that happens to everybody before they go out of this world\u2014so in a sense, it\u2019s not personally unique; it\u2019s just historically unique.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; you felt led to write on this subject and have just released a book that\u2019s going to be out in a few weeks. The audio book is now available; the e-book is available. In fact, people can go to our website at FamilyLifeToday.com; you guys are graciously making that resource available, at no cost, for anyone who would like to get it. You\u2019ve written lots of books; why, in this moment, did you feel the need to write this subject as a book?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>I remember, back in 2004, when the tsunami happened: 230,000 people swept away in one night; whole churches on the east coast of South India gone in a night. I was stunned by that. I was asked by a lot of people to talk about that, and I did. This feels even more stunning to me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t know why it is; but one of the reasons Desiring God exists, it seems, is to talk about suffering; that\u2019s just been part of our DNA from the beginning. \u201cSorrowful, yet always rejoicing,\u201d is 2 Corinthians 6:10. We\u2019ve always struggled\u2014always. What does it mean to be sorrowful and always rejoicing? Anytime something comes along that is a mega threat to joy, I feel that\u2019s my calling\u2014is to talk about joy; that\u2019s my calling\u2014is to believe that there are pleasures at God\u2019s right hand forevermore, starting now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWhat about this, Piper? Come on, Mr. Joy\/Mr. Sovereignty\u2026\u201d This feels about as big as it can get; and therefore, I looked at that little booklet I did several years ago on \u201cDon\u2019t Waste Your Hospital Stay,\u201d or something\u2014I forget the name of it\u2014a little tiny book on what I learned from being in the hospital a few years ago. Somebody said to me, \u201cJust take that and turn it into something a little bigger, and it will be useful.\u201d I took about four days and did nothing but write, and it came out to be about 100 pages. It just feels necessary\u2014by the magnitude of the situation\/necessary because I\u2019m a lover of joy in Jesus\u2014and I\u2019m a believer in the sovereignty of God; and a <em>lot<\/em> of people can\u2019t put those together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>John, help us to put that together; because people are looking at this current situation and we\u2019re thinking, \u201cWait; I\u2019m to believe that a good God, a merciful God, a God of love is overseeing the death of tens of thousands of people and a plague that is a pandemic. How in the world do I reconcile those things?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Well, I suppose, just to make sure that they\u2019re asking the right question, they realize that God oversees the death of 50,000 people a day, every day, in the history of the world. If they have a problem with God and death, they might as well just jettison God; because death is here, and it\u2019s here to stay until Jesus comes. Every one of us is going to die. I think this is a good moment for getting rid of sentimental views of God\u2014they don\u2019t work; they just don\u2019t work\u2014I mean, we may as well stop being believers if we cannot reconcile God and death. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe way I begin is, not with coronavirus, but with the world as it is. I go to Romans 8\u2014I love Romans 8\u2014I think Romans 8\u2019s the greatest chapter in the Bible! It has this section in it, from verses 19 to 23, that talks about God subjected the creation to futility and to corruption; and the effect of that subjection is groaning. Even we, who have the first fruits of the Holy Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons\/the redemption of our bodies. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you ask, \u201cWhy do our bodies need to be redeemed?\u201d the answer is they\u2019re fallen; and they\u2019re fallen because God subjected the world to futility. He did it because Adam and Eve sinned: \u201cWhen sin came into the world, death through sin entered the world,\u201d Romans 5:12. God is in charge of the condition of the world in that He subjected the entire world to this kind of misery, at the beginning, because of sin; and He\u2019s going to lift it someday. I mean, that\u2019s the big picture of the Bible: sin enters the world; suffering through sin.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought this through most deeply when it was 9\/11, when the planes crashed in and the towers came down, and 2500 people evaporated in just a few minutes. I struggled with: \u201cIf God subjected the world to futility, and sin was the reason\u201d\u2014sin is an act of the soul; that is, I contemplate God with my mind and my soul\u2014I regard Him as defective; His advice is not worth following\u2014\u201cI think Satan has some good ideas here. I can have more intelligence than God. I can decide what\u2019s good for me. \u2018Thank you, God, You may take a vacation. I will go with Satan and myself,\u2019 and then what happens?\u2014<em>physical<\/em> suffering happens\u2014\u201cand I ask, \u2018Why <em>physical<\/em> suffering, God? It was a <em>soul<\/em> issue; it was a <em>spiritual<\/em> issue! Why are You taking it out on our <em>bodies<\/em>?\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy answer, as I\u2019ve reflected on Romans 8, is that sin is blinding; and blindness means <em>nobody<\/em> sees how outrageous is our treason against God. Nobody loses any sleep over the fact that they give God less attention than they do their hairstyle\u2014nobody! So what\u2019s going to get anybody\u2019s attention to the <em>outrage<\/em> of sin? I think God\u2019s answer is: \u201cTouch their bodies; and they\u2019ll come to terms with this, maybe.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRight now, the touching of our bodies, the touching of our schedules, the touching of our churches, our families\u2014all this touching\u2014we <em>feel<\/em>; we get angry or we get irritated; and if we had any sense, we\u2019d say: \u201cThat\u2019s how serious sin is. That\u2019s how serious our neglect and our despising of God is.\u201d It\u2019s a great wake-up call.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>So you\u2019re saying, John, one of the things that we can see, and you mention this in your book, as we look at the world and what\u2019s happening in the coronavirus all around the world\u2014I know many of us wake up and we read the news every day; and it\u2019s depressing and scary, and we\u2019re filled with anxiety and fear\u2014you\u2019re also saying <em>that<\/em> reality shows us the moral horror of sin; like you said in your book, \u201cIt\u2019s a picture of the state of our soul.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>It seems to me that the whole Bible is written for two messages, and all of providence happens for two messages: one is the <em>horror<\/em> of belittling God, and the other is the glory of grace. In order for grace to be glorious, you have to recognize the horror of what our souls are doing to God, virtually, every day. Hardly <em>anybody<\/em>\u2014especially in the secular world\u2014has any sense of the <em>horror<\/em> of their treason against God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy treason, I simply mean this: Jesus Christ is the King of the universe. One day, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is the Lord of the universe. Right now, most people are in treason against their King: they don\u2019t love Him; they don\u2019t worship Him; they don\u2019t obey Him; they don\u2019t pay any attention to Him! He is marginal, at best, to their lives and hated, at worst. All of that is worthy of condemnation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShort of condemnation, God gives this world thousands, and thousands, and thousands of days without coronavirus. What happens?\u2014<em>nothing<\/em>. That grace is received: the sun comes up on the evil and the good every day; the rain comes down; the nation prospers\u2014the result: self-centeredness, pride, arrogance, self-sufficiency\u2014it\u2019s outrageous that the whole world is indifferent to their Maker and their Savior. Along comes a coronavirus, and we\u2019ll find out whether this will get the attention of the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>John, I was just thinking, \u201cAre we at the peak right now of sin?\u201d We\u2019ve been going thousands of years of God\u2019s grace\/of God\u2019s blessing. There have been things in the past, but is this God\u2019s wakeup call to our generation?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>I can easily imagine more sin than there is now. [Laughter] But that\u2019s not an answer to your question, because I don\u2019t know. What the world will look like in the immediate years, leading up to the second coming of Jesus, is not crystal clear in the Bible. I think it\u2019s left less than clear precisely to keep us off-balance; I don\u2019t think God wants us to have this nailed down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn the book, I have a section on the second coming; and my argument is that Jesus <em>repeatedly<\/em> gave the kinds of warnings: \u201cI want you to wake up.\u201d \u201cWake up! Wake up!\u201d \u201cStay awake! You don\u2019t know the day or the hour!\u201d \u201cWake up!\u201d I take all kinds of things to be wake-up calls. I don\u2019t know if we\u2019re at the peak, and I don\u2019t know if we\u2019re at the climax. I think it would be wrong to set dates; it would be wrong to state anything with any certainty about the timing of the Lord\u2019s coming. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just think we\u2019re at a point, where God deems it wise to speak the way He\u2019s speaking. I think we ought to be on our faces, fasting and praying, for the preservation and the purification of the faith of God\u2019s elect and the <em>awakening<\/em> of the unbelief to belief of the folks who are not paying any attention.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s how we can view this moment: as a good gift from God. He has done this to awaken us from something we were not seeing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, I\u2019ve been thinking, John, about the verse, where Jesus said, \u201cWhat father would give to his son a stone if he asked for bread?\u201d I\u2019m thinking, \u201cNone of us asked for this, and yet it feels a little bit like a stone.\u201d What I hear you saying is, \u201cThis is God, in His grace, waking us from our slumber about our own sin.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Definitely. Yes, I wrote a poem a couple years ago about that text of: \u201cWhich of you who has a son who asks for bread would give him a stone, or if he asks for a fish would give him a snake?\u201d The poem takes a turn like this: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSuppose your boat is drifting out to sea, and you desperately need a stone for an anchor. You don\u2019t realize it, and you ask for bread while you\u2019re basking in the sun. If God\u2019s good, He\u2019s going to give you a stone instead of bread.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr what if you have a snake bite and you need to get the venom out of the snake\u2019s fangs in order to produce an antidote; not knowing that, you ask for a fish to put on these two little holes in your arm, which will do you no good whatsoever. Well, God hears your cry for a fish, and He gives you a snake so you can get the venom, so you can get the antidote.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn other words, I think the point of that text is, \u201cIf you, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father give good things to those who ask?\u201d\u2014good things to those who ask, which may or may not be precisely what you asked for, because you don\u2019t know what you need lots of times.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy son, Benjamin, when he was about four, wanted a snack; he asked for a cracker. I got the crackers down. I pulled it open; they were all <em>moldy<\/em>. I held it up to him with fuzz on it; and I said, \u201cBen, I can\u2019t give you this. It\u2019s got\u2026\u201d He says, \u201cI\u2019ll eat the fuzz!\u201d [Laughter] I said, \u201cNo, you won\u2019t; not while I\u2019m your dad!\u201d He didn\u2019t know; he just wanted the snack, and I knew better. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there are many times we may need a stone and a snake\u2014that we don\u2019t realize, \u201cThis is a snake, and it\u2019s good for us,\u201d\u2014<em>if<\/em> we will trust Him in it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>John, I think you saw the article that was in <em>Time<\/em> magazine recently, where a British theologian asks the question, \u201cShould we be looking for answers in the midst of this?\u201d The headline\u2014and I don\u2019t know that he wrote the headline\u2014the headline was: \u201cChristianity Offers No Answers about the Coronavirus. It\u2019s Not Supposed To.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I look at your book, it seems to me that your book is providing us with some answers that maybe this British theologian says we shouldn\u2019t even be expecting to find from the Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Yes; I read that, and I was perplexed by that article. I don\u2019t want to attribute that title to him, <em>although<\/em> things he said in the article warranted that title. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>That was a provocative title, but so was the article. I didn\u2019t like the article for numerous reasons. Christianity <em>does<\/em> offer answers; it <em>does<\/em>. When he said\u2014and I have quotes here I put in a document in front of me\u2014he said, \u201cWhat if there are moments when the only advice is to wait without hope, because we\u2019d be hoping in the wrong thing?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just cannot believe\u2014I mean, I know this man\u2014I cannot believe he means that! I just cannot. I mean, that\u2019s just outrageous, I think, to say there are moments\u2014I\u2019d say the exact opposite. I would say there <em>never, never, never, never<\/em> is <em>one<\/em> moment, in the life of a Christian\u2014for whom Christ has died, for whom there is no condemnation, who is sealed unto the day of redemption, who is elect before the foundation of the world, who is filled with the Holy Spirit, who has heaven promised to him\u2014there\u2019s never one moment in his life when the only advice is to wait without hope. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe <em>must<\/em> mean something I don\u2019t get, but he <em>said<\/em> it in a way that set people up to <em>really<\/em> misunderstand. That statement I regard as simply bizarre; I\u2019m not sure why in the world such a statement would be made. He says that: \u201cRationalists\/rationalists want explanations. They want explanations for everything,\u201d as if the only people\u2014[Laughter]\u2014as if the only people in the world, who long for some word from God for what He\u2019s up to\/why He does what He does\u2014are people who are in the grip of some kind of enlightenment rationalism. I think that\u2019s absurd! I think people from every era in church history have had a longing: \u201cHelp me, Father, by Your Word, in Your Spirit, to know what I need to know.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there are answers in the Bible; now, I don\u2019t mean answers for <em>every<\/em> question. I think I said in the book: \u201cGod right now is doing a <em>billion<\/em> things\u201d\u2014and that\u2019s an understatement; okay?\u2014because there are seven billion people in the world, and He\u2019s doing more than ten things in everybody\u2019s life\u2014so that\u2019s a lot of purposes God has. I don\u2019t know 99.99999 percent of what God\u2019s doing!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe question is: \u201cDoes the Bible show me a handful of glorious purposes that are true about <em>all<\/em> suffering over which God is sovereign?\u201d The answer is, \u201cYes.\u201d I tried to lay out about six of them; goodness gracious, there could be more than six. I don\u2019t like that article, and I think it was very misleading\/hurtful for people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It\u2019s not wrong for us, as followers of Christ, to be looking at this current situation and be asking God in prayer: \u201cGod, what are You doing?\u201d and \u201cWhat should I be learning in this moment?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>I think it would be crazy not to; and the reason is this: God is sovereign\u2014He works all things according to the counsel of His will, Ephesians 1:11; no purpose of His can be thwarted; the Lord gives and the Lord takes away\u2014so God is <em>sovereign<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven if He permits some things through secondary causes like Satan and evil men, He is sovereign over Satan\/sovereign over evil men. We know that from [the Book of] Job; we know that from Acts 4:27-28. He is sovereign over the evil that people do, and over Satan. Therefore, even when He so-called \u201cpermits a thing,\u201d He is <em>purposeful<\/em> in it. God never acts whimsically; He <em>never<\/em> does something and says, \u201cI have no idea why I just did that.\u201d He <em>always<\/em> has purposes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, if God is sovereign and He always has purposes, you <em>can\u2019t<\/em> look at this event, which is one of the biggest events in the history of the world, and say, \u201cWell, I guess there\u2019s no purpose here.\u201d That would be <em>insane<\/em> if you believe the Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen the last question would be, \u201cHas He <em>revealed<\/em> any of those purposes?\u201d I want to make clear here: \u201cI don\u2019t hear voices\u201d; right? [Laughter] When I say, \u201cWhat is God saying?\u201d or \u201cWhat is God doing?\u201d I don\u2019t expect to have a dream about that; I don\u2019t expect to have a prophetic word about that. I expect to open my Bible and see what God says about things like this. Then I\u2019m going to take what He says in the Bible and I\u2019m going to put it next to what\u2019s happening; I\u2019m going to draw the connections, and offer it to people. I said I\u2019m pointing\/I\u2019m pointing [to] paths, and I want people to walk down those paths with Scripture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and your new book, <em>Coronavirus and Christ<\/em>, keeps pointing us back to Jesus and back to Scripture and helps us think rightly about our current moment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re grateful, by the way, John, that you are making the audiobook and the e-book edition of <em>Coronavirus and Christ<\/em> available to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners for no cost. Our listeners can go right now to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com; and you can download either the audiobook or the e-book: John Piper\u2019s brand new book, <em>Coronavirus and Christ<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is a book that will encourage you, help you think clearly and rightly about our present moment. It will equip you to be able to give an answer to people, who ask you about the hope you have, even as things in our world continue to worsen and people wonder why you have hope. This is a book that will point all of us in the right direction. Again, the e-book or the audiobook is available as a free download when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com; and we\u2019re grateful to the folks at Desiring God for that. The print edition of the book is going to be out in another week or two; you can pre-order a copy of the book now. Again, all of that information is available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur team is regularly putting together resources for couples\/for families; so that in the midst of being socially isolated, and staying at home, and feeling cooped up or trapped, you have some things to do with the kids: you have some new ideas, some fresh activities, some ways that you can make the most of this time and <em>use<\/em> it strategically and purposefully as you disciple your own children. Look for a link that says \u201cNot Cancelled\u201d because home is not cancelled\/family is not cancelled. Our resources are available at that link on our website, FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to continue our conversation with Dr. John Piper, talking about this present moment and talking about anxiety, and worry, and how we counsel our own heart and soul in the midst of this current pandemic. 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Piper discusses his new and timely book \"Coronavirus and Christ.\" Dr. Piper unpacks with profound wisdom the core questions related to how God can be good in the midst of such suffering, including how God is using Coronavirus to awaken us from the slumber of our own sin, and what are the glorious purposes&hellip;","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2020-04-13.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Monday edition. We are separated today as we have a special program for you. Dave and Ann Wilson are away from our studios in Little Rock, but we\u2019re connected. This is how we\u2019re doing life these days, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>We\u2019re looking at each other on a screen. I\u2019ve been in, it feels like, hundreds of screen meetings in the last couple weeks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s not the same as being side by side, but I\u2019m grateful that we have this technology available to us; right, Ann?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>It\u2019s so good to see you, Bob!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We are delighted today to be able to have Dr. John Piper joining us. I think most of our listeners know about John from his writing\/from his years of pastoral ministry at Bethlehem Baptist Church. He is the head of a ministry called Desiring God. Most of his sermons\/his books are available at the DesiringGod.org website. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJohn\u2019s been on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> with us before. John, we\u2019re thrilled to have you back again with us today. This moment we\u2019re living in today is a moment unlike anything I can remember in my lifetime. In your years of pastoral ministry, has there been anything like this that you\u2019ve walked through before?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>No; but as soon as I say, \u201cNo,\u201d\u2014I mean, I said to somebody the other day, \u201cThis is not unique just to us, I think it\u2019s unique in the history of the world.\u201d Even though there have been pandemics, there\u2019s never been a time when the globe is connected like it is. Everybody knows what\u2019s happening everywhere, and it passes instantaneously through travel; that\u2019s never happened. I mean, when we talk about pandemics in the first two centuries, or the black plague, we don\u2019t know whether that touched the American Indians; we don\u2019t know. But we know this\u2014and this has never happened before\u2014with this kind of connectedness and this kind of awareness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut here\u2019s the thing that I think is so crucial. When you ask, \u201cHas it ever happened before?\u201d namely, it\u2019s happened every time somebody suffocates. I mean, I\u2019ve stood beside many beds, where people are on ventilators. The unique thing about it is just how many. I think that\u2019s really important to say, because every one of us is going to go through a coronavirus; we\u2019re going to die. The dying process will be scary; it won\u2019t be easy; so in a sense, death and suffering are very <em>personal<\/em>. The fact that I know people, who have this disease, or that 10,000 people are dying right now, that\u2019s just a statistic; but when <em>my<\/em> throat starts to close up, and I can\u2019t get <em>my<\/em> breath\u2014and that happens to everybody before they go out of this world\u2014so in a sense, it\u2019s not personally unique; it\u2019s just historically unique.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; you felt led to write on this subject and have just released a book that\u2019s going to be out in a few weeks. The audio book is now available; the e-book is available. In fact, people can go to our website at FamilyLifeToday.com; you guys are graciously making that resource available, at no cost, for anyone who would like to get it. You\u2019ve written lots of books; why, in this moment, did you feel the need to write this subject as a book?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>I remember, back in 2004, when the tsunami happened: 230,000 people swept away in one night; whole churches on the east coast of South India gone in a night. I was stunned by that. I was asked by a lot of people to talk about that, and I did. This feels even more stunning to me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t know why it is; but one of the reasons Desiring God exists, it seems, is to talk about suffering; that\u2019s just been part of our DNA from the beginning. \u201cSorrowful, yet always rejoicing,\u201d is 2 Corinthians 6:10. We\u2019ve always struggled\u2014always. What does it mean to be sorrowful and always rejoicing? Anytime something comes along that is a mega threat to joy, I feel that\u2019s my calling\u2014is to talk about joy; that\u2019s my calling\u2014is to believe that there are pleasures at God\u2019s right hand forevermore, starting now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWhat about this, Piper? Come on, Mr. Joy\/Mr. Sovereignty\u2026\u201d This feels about as big as it can get; and therefore, I looked at that little booklet I did several years ago on \u201cDon\u2019t Waste Your Hospital Stay,\u201d or something\u2014I forget the name of it\u2014a little tiny book on what I learned from being in the hospital a few years ago. Somebody said to me, \u201cJust take that and turn it into something a little bigger, and it will be useful.\u201d I took about four days and did nothing but write, and it came out to be about 100 pages. It just feels necessary\u2014by the magnitude of the situation\/necessary because I\u2019m a lover of joy in Jesus\u2014and I\u2019m a believer in the sovereignty of God; and a <em>lot<\/em> of people can\u2019t put those together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>John, help us to put that together; because people are looking at this current situation and we\u2019re thinking, \u201cWait; I\u2019m to believe that a good God, a merciful God, a God of love is overseeing the death of tens of thousands of people and a plague that is a pandemic. How in the world do I reconcile those things?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Well, I suppose, just to make sure that they\u2019re asking the right question, they realize that God oversees the death of 50,000 people a day, every day, in the history of the world. If they have a problem with God and death, they might as well just jettison God; because death is here, and it\u2019s here to stay until Jesus comes. Every one of us is going to die. I think this is a good moment for getting rid of sentimental views of God\u2014they don\u2019t work; they just don\u2019t work\u2014I mean, we may as well stop being believers if we cannot reconcile God and death. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe way I begin is, not with coronavirus, but with the world as it is. I go to Romans 8\u2014I love Romans 8\u2014I think Romans 8\u2019s the greatest chapter in the Bible! It has this section in it, from verses 19 to 23, that talks about God subjected the creation to futility and to corruption; and the effect of that subjection is groaning. Even we, who have the first fruits of the Holy Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons\/the redemption of our bodies. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you ask, \u201cWhy do our bodies need to be redeemed?\u201d the answer is they\u2019re fallen; and they\u2019re fallen because God subjected the world to futility. He did it because Adam and Eve sinned: \u201cWhen sin came into the world, death through sin entered the world,\u201d Romans 5:12. God is in charge of the condition of the world in that He subjected the entire world to this kind of misery, at the beginning, because of sin; and He\u2019s going to lift it someday. I mean, that\u2019s the big picture of the Bible: sin enters the world; suffering through sin.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought this through most deeply when it was 9\/11, when the planes crashed in and the towers came down, and 2500 people evaporated in just a few minutes. I struggled with: \u201cIf God subjected the world to futility, and sin was the reason\u201d\u2014sin is an act of the soul; that is, I contemplate God with my mind and my soul\u2014I regard Him as defective; His advice is not worth following\u2014\u201cI think Satan has some good ideas here. I can have more intelligence than God. I can decide what\u2019s good for me. \u2018Thank you, God, You may take a vacation. I will go with Satan and myself,\u2019 and then what happens?\u2014<em>physical<\/em> suffering happens\u2014\u201cand I ask, \u2018Why <em>physical<\/em> suffering, God? It was a <em>soul<\/em> issue; it was a <em>spiritual<\/em> issue! Why are You taking it out on our <em>bodies<\/em>?\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy answer, as I\u2019ve reflected on Romans 8, is that sin is blinding; and blindness means <em>nobody<\/em> sees how outrageous is our treason against God. Nobody loses any sleep over the fact that they give God less attention than they do their hairstyle\u2014nobody! So what\u2019s going to get anybody\u2019s attention to the <em>outrage<\/em> of sin? I think God\u2019s answer is: \u201cTouch their bodies; and they\u2019ll come to terms with this, maybe.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRight now, the touching of our bodies, the touching of our schedules, the touching of our churches, our families\u2014all this touching\u2014we <em>feel<\/em>; we get angry or we get irritated; and if we had any sense, we\u2019d say: \u201cThat\u2019s how serious sin is. That\u2019s how serious our neglect and our despising of God is.\u201d It\u2019s a great wake-up call.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>So you\u2019re saying, John, one of the things that we can see, and you mention this in your book, as we look at the world and what\u2019s happening in the coronavirus all around the world\u2014I know many of us wake up and we read the news every day; and it\u2019s depressing and scary, and we\u2019re filled with anxiety and fear\u2014you\u2019re also saying <em>that<\/em> reality shows us the moral horror of sin; like you said in your book, \u201cIt\u2019s a picture of the state of our soul.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>It seems to me that the whole Bible is written for two messages, and all of providence happens for two messages: one is the <em>horror<\/em> of belittling God, and the other is the glory of grace. In order for grace to be glorious, you have to recognize the horror of what our souls are doing to God, virtually, every day. Hardly <em>anybody<\/em>\u2014especially in the secular world\u2014has any sense of the <em>horror<\/em> of their treason against God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy treason, I simply mean this: Jesus Christ is the King of the universe. One day, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is the Lord of the universe. Right now, most people are in treason against their King: they don\u2019t love Him; they don\u2019t worship Him; they don\u2019t obey Him; they don\u2019t pay any attention to Him! He is marginal, at best, to their lives and hated, at worst. All of that is worthy of condemnation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShort of condemnation, God gives this world thousands, and thousands, and thousands of days without coronavirus. What happens?\u2014<em>nothing<\/em>. That grace is received: the sun comes up on the evil and the good every day; the rain comes down; the nation prospers\u2014the result: self-centeredness, pride, arrogance, self-sufficiency\u2014it\u2019s outrageous that the whole world is indifferent to their Maker and their Savior. Along comes a coronavirus, and we\u2019ll find out whether this will get the attention of the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>John, I was just thinking, \u201cAre we at the peak right now of sin?\u201d We\u2019ve been going thousands of years of God\u2019s grace\/of God\u2019s blessing. There have been things in the past, but is this God\u2019s wakeup call to our generation?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>I can easily imagine more sin than there is now. [Laughter] But that\u2019s not an answer to your question, because I don\u2019t know. What the world will look like in the immediate years, leading up to the second coming of Jesus, is not crystal clear in the Bible. I think it\u2019s left less than clear precisely to keep us off-balance; I don\u2019t think God wants us to have this nailed down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn the book, I have a section on the second coming; and my argument is that Jesus <em>repeatedly<\/em> gave the kinds of warnings: \u201cI want you to wake up.\u201d \u201cWake up! Wake up!\u201d \u201cStay awake! You don\u2019t know the day or the hour!\u201d \u201cWake up!\u201d I take all kinds of things to be wake-up calls. I don\u2019t know if we\u2019re at the peak, and I don\u2019t know if we\u2019re at the climax. I think it would be wrong to set dates; it would be wrong to state anything with any certainty about the timing of the Lord\u2019s coming. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just think we\u2019re at a point, where God deems it wise to speak the way He\u2019s speaking. I think we ought to be on our faces, fasting and praying, for the preservation and the purification of the faith of God\u2019s elect and the <em>awakening<\/em> of the unbelief to belief of the folks who are not paying any attention.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s how we can view this moment: as a good gift from God. He has done this to awaken us from something we were not seeing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, I\u2019ve been thinking, John, about the verse, where Jesus said, \u201cWhat father would give to his son a stone if he asked for bread?\u201d I\u2019m thinking, \u201cNone of us asked for this, and yet it feels a little bit like a stone.\u201d What I hear you saying is, \u201cThis is God, in His grace, waking us from our slumber about our own sin.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Definitely. Yes, I wrote a poem a couple years ago about that text of: \u201cWhich of you who has a son who asks for bread would give him a stone, or if he asks for a fish would give him a snake?\u201d The poem takes a turn like this: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSuppose your boat is drifting out to sea, and you desperately need a stone for an anchor. You don\u2019t realize it, and you ask for bread while you\u2019re basking in the sun. If God\u2019s good, He\u2019s going to give you a stone instead of bread.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr what if you have a snake bite and you need to get the venom out of the snake\u2019s fangs in order to produce an antidote; not knowing that, you ask for a fish to put on these two little holes in your arm, which will do you no good whatsoever. Well, God hears your cry for a fish, and He gives you a snake so you can get the venom, so you can get the antidote.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn other words, I think the point of that text is, \u201cIf you, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father give good things to those who ask?\u201d\u2014good things to those who ask, which may or may not be precisely what you asked for, because you don\u2019t know what you need lots of times.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy son, Benjamin, when he was about four, wanted a snack; he asked for a cracker. I got the crackers down. I pulled it open; they were all <em>moldy<\/em>. I held it up to him with fuzz on it; and I said, \u201cBen, I can\u2019t give you this. It\u2019s got\u2026\u201d He says, \u201cI\u2019ll eat the fuzz!\u201d [Laughter] I said, \u201cNo, you won\u2019t; not while I\u2019m your dad!\u201d He didn\u2019t know; he just wanted the snack, and I knew better. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there are many times we may need a stone and a snake\u2014that we don\u2019t realize, \u201cThis is a snake, and it\u2019s good for us,\u201d\u2014<em>if<\/em> we will trust Him in it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>John, I think you saw the article that was in <em>Time<\/em> magazine recently, where a British theologian asks the question, \u201cShould we be looking for answers in the midst of this?\u201d The headline\u2014and I don\u2019t know that he wrote the headline\u2014the headline was: \u201cChristianity Offers No Answers about the Coronavirus. It\u2019s Not Supposed To.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I look at your book, it seems to me that your book is providing us with some answers that maybe this British theologian says we shouldn\u2019t even be expecting to find from the Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Yes; I read that, and I was perplexed by that article. I don\u2019t want to attribute that title to him, <em>although<\/em> things he said in the article warranted that title. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>That was a provocative title, but so was the article. I didn\u2019t like the article for numerous reasons. Christianity <em>does<\/em> offer answers; it <em>does<\/em>. When he said\u2014and I have quotes here I put in a document in front of me\u2014he said, \u201cWhat if there are moments when the only advice is to wait without hope, because we\u2019d be hoping in the wrong thing?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just cannot believe\u2014I mean, I know this man\u2014I cannot believe he means that! I just cannot. I mean, that\u2019s just outrageous, I think, to say there are moments\u2014I\u2019d say the exact opposite. I would say there <em>never, never, never, never<\/em> is <em>one<\/em> moment, in the life of a Christian\u2014for whom Christ has died, for whom there is no condemnation, who is sealed unto the day of redemption, who is elect before the foundation of the world, who is filled with the Holy Spirit, who has heaven promised to him\u2014there\u2019s never one moment in his life when the only advice is to wait without hope. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe <em>must<\/em> mean something I don\u2019t get, but he <em>said<\/em> it in a way that set people up to <em>really<\/em> misunderstand. That statement I regard as simply bizarre; I\u2019m not sure why in the world such a statement would be made. He says that: \u201cRationalists\/rationalists want explanations. They want explanations for everything,\u201d as if the only people\u2014[Laughter]\u2014as if the only people in the world, who long for some word from God for what He\u2019s up to\/why He does what He does\u2014are people who are in the grip of some kind of enlightenment rationalism. I think that\u2019s absurd! I think people from every era in church history have had a longing: \u201cHelp me, Father, by Your Word, in Your Spirit, to know what I need to know.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there are answers in the Bible; now, I don\u2019t mean answers for <em>every<\/em> question. I think I said in the book: \u201cGod right now is doing a <em>billion<\/em> things\u201d\u2014and that\u2019s an understatement; okay?\u2014because there are seven billion people in the world, and He\u2019s doing more than ten things in everybody\u2019s life\u2014so that\u2019s a lot of purposes God has. I don\u2019t know 99.99999 percent of what God\u2019s doing!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe question is: \u201cDoes the Bible show me a handful of glorious purposes that are true about <em>all<\/em> suffering over which God is sovereign?\u201d The answer is, \u201cYes.\u201d I tried to lay out about six of them; goodness gracious, there could be more than six. I don\u2019t like that article, and I think it was very misleading\/hurtful for people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It\u2019s not wrong for us, as followers of Christ, to be looking at this current situation and be asking God in prayer: \u201cGod, what are You doing?\u201d and \u201cWhat should I be learning in this moment?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>I think it would be crazy not to; and the reason is this: God is sovereign\u2014He works all things according to the counsel of His will, Ephesians 1:11; no purpose of His can be thwarted; the Lord gives and the Lord takes away\u2014so God is <em>sovereign<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven if He permits some things through secondary causes like Satan and evil men, He is sovereign over Satan\/sovereign over evil men. We know that from [the Book of] Job; we know that from Acts 4:27-28. He is sovereign over the evil that people do, and over Satan. Therefore, even when He so-called \u201cpermits a thing,\u201d He is <em>purposeful<\/em> in it. God never acts whimsically; He <em>never<\/em> does something and says, \u201cI have no idea why I just did that.\u201d He <em>always<\/em> has purposes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, if God is sovereign and He always has purposes, you <em>can\u2019t<\/em> look at this event, which is one of the biggest events in the history of the world, and say, \u201cWell, I guess there\u2019s no purpose here.\u201d That would be <em>insane<\/em> if you believe the Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen the last question would be, \u201cHas He <em>revealed<\/em> any of those purposes?\u201d I want to make clear here: \u201cI don\u2019t hear voices\u201d; right? [Laughter] When I say, \u201cWhat is God saying?\u201d or \u201cWhat is God doing?\u201d I don\u2019t expect to have a dream about that; I don\u2019t expect to have a prophetic word about that. I expect to open my Bible and see what God says about things like this. Then I\u2019m going to take what He says in the Bible and I\u2019m going to put it next to what\u2019s happening; I\u2019m going to draw the connections, and offer it to people. I said I\u2019m pointing\/I\u2019m pointing [to] paths, and I want people to walk down those paths with Scripture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and your new book, <em>Coronavirus and Christ<\/em>, keeps pointing us back to Jesus and back to Scripture and helps us think rightly about our current moment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re grateful, by the way, John, that you are making the audiobook and the e-book edition of <em>Coronavirus and Christ<\/em> available to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners for no cost. Our listeners can go right now to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com; and you can download either the audiobook or the e-book: John Piper\u2019s brand new book, <em>Coronavirus and Christ<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is a book that will encourage you, help you think clearly and rightly about our present moment. It will equip you to be able to give an answer to people, who ask you about the hope you have, even as things in our world continue to worsen and people wonder why you have hope. This is a book that will point all of us in the right direction. Again, the e-book or the audiobook is available as a free download when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com; and we\u2019re grateful to the folks at Desiring God for that. The print edition of the book is going to be out in another week or two; you can pre-order a copy of the book now. Again, all of that information is available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur team is regularly putting together resources for couples\/for families; so that in the midst of being socially isolated, and staying at home, and feeling cooped up or trapped, you have some things to do with the kids: you have some new ideas, some fresh activities, some ways that you can make the most of this time and <em>use<\/em> it strategically and purposefully as you disciple your own children. Look for a link that says \u201cNot Cancelled\u201d because home is not cancelled\/family is not cancelled. Our resources are available at that link on our website, FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to continue our conversation with Dr. John Piper, talking about this present moment and talking about anxiety, and worry, and how we counsel our own heart and soul in the midst of this current pandemic. 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