{"id":305881,"date":"2020-03-27T07:00:04","date_gmt":"2020-03-27T11:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/when-providence-brings-a-plague\/"},"modified":"2025-01-09T13:18:58","modified_gmt":"2025-01-09T18:18:58","slug":"when-providence-brings-a-plague","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/when-providence-brings-a-plague\/","title":{"rendered":"When Providence Brings a Plague"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Guest: Bob Lepine | FamilyLife Today&#8217;s Bob Lepine brings a wise and seasoned perspective to what God is doing in the world amidst COVID-19. He offers us two options on how to view the current crisis: 1) the &#8220;Imagine&#8221; option, with no one or nothing governing our world and the universe simply running on it&#8217;s own, and 2) the &#8220;Providence&#8221; option, with the world and everything in it governed by God. 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Thanks for joining us. I\u2019m Bob Lepine, along with our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson. We are keeping appropriate social distancing on the COVID-19 editions of FamilyLife Today, the special quarantine editions.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I think we\u2019re way beyond appropriate.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, I think we\u2019re beyond six feet. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> We are states away from one another.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re about 1,000 miles away from one another; Dave and Ann, at their home in Michigan, and I\u2019m at our studios, here at FamilyLife\u00ae, in Little Rock. Our offices are closed down, but we\u2019ve come in and opened the studio so that we can continue to connect with our listeners and can provide whatever encouragement and hope we can during this time\u2014an anxious time for all of us.<\/p>\n<p>Ann, you\u2019re talking to a lot of women and a lot of moms, who are naturally fearful during this time\u2014not that men aren\u2019t\u2014but a lot of moms are feeling it in a unique way.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, I think we are. I think we\u2019re thinking about our parents, and our kids, our friends. Honestly, I\u2019ve been talking to my daughter-in-laws, and there is a lot of fear going on. I think people are anxious.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Your dad is in a retirement center, and he\u2019s in total isolation at this point; right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, my dad\u2019s 91; he\u2019s in an assisted living. They can\u2019t have any visitors, and now they\u2019re at a point where they\u2019re not even dining together. They are isolated in their rooms.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> So you\u2019re Face-timing with him; and nurses are coming in, or food\u2019s being brought to them; but they can\u2019t leave the room.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, it can be a really lonely time for a lot of people. I think, too, [for those] who are living on their own.<\/p>\n<p>Dave and I, just this past weekend, we asked people, \u201cHow can we pray for you?\u201d We were inundated with so many prayer requests of people who are worrying; they\u2019re fearful; they\u2019re worried about their family. It was really cool; we spent a good part of our day yesterday, just going through those prayer requests and praying for people because they feel it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Dave, as our church gathered this past Sunday, here in Little Rock, the question that was on my heart, and I think on the heart of a lot of people, is: \u201cHow do we understand the goodness and the providence of God in the midst of a viral outbreak in our world? Can God be trusted in the middle of situations like this?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, that is\u2014if not the biggest question\u2014it is almost the biggest question ever asked: \u201cHow can a powerful, and loving, good God allow evil and suffering to happen?\u201d Now we\u2019re in it; we need somebody with real wisdom to answer that for us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Exactly!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I heard you found somebody! [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> We found the best!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> We thought we would share with our listeners a portion of the message that I shared with our church, here in Little Rock, last Sunday. The title of the message was \u201cWhen Providence Brings a Plague.\u201d We talked about this issue of: \u201cIs God there?\u201d \u201cIs He in control?\u201d and \u201cDoes He care?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>[Recorded Message]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know what your tweet, or your Facebook\u00ae posts, or news items you\u2019ve been looking at, or even your personal experience, have been like this week. I don\u2019t know how your heart has been stirred toward anxiety or if you\u2019ve been troubled by what you\u2019ve heard or what you\u2019ve read. I think all of us would acknowledge that we know the Bible calls us not to be fearful, and to trust in the Lord, and to cast our cares on Him. We know that\u2019s true, but there are seasons in our lives when our ability to do that is put to the test multiple times during the day.<\/p>\n<p>I saw a video online this week\u2014maybe some of you saw it\u2014where a number of entertainment industry people had gotten together. One actress had thought it would be a good idea if everybody sang a different line from the John Lennon song, Imagine. I pulled up the video, and the first line in Imagine\u2014here\u2019s an actress, a cappella, singing, \u201cImagine there\u2019s no heaven.\u201d I\u2019m thinking: \u201cThis is what\u2019s bringing comfort and hope to you in this season?\u2014that we would all get together and sing that there\u2019s no religion, and there\u2019s nothing but sky above us, and it\u2019s easy to do this if you try? Is that really where comfort comes from?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Listen to me\u2014in this current moment\/the crisis we\u2019re considering, we have two options to consider. Option one is the option that the entertainment industry folks went to, which was to imagine that there\u2019s no heaven, no religion, just sky above us. There\u2019s nothing that governs the germs in our world; the universe is running on its own; viruses occur naturally; they can spring up on their own at any time; they can kill you; and our only hope is to somehow figure out how we can kill them. But we don\u2019t have any resources to appeal to outside of ourselves; it\u2019s us against them, and there\u2019s no one else we can call on for hope or help. That\u2019s the Imagine option.<\/p>\n<p>But I want us to consider a second option, which is the traditional Christian option. I\u2019m calling it the Providence option. Option two is the Providence option. Imagine that, in this situation, the world is functioning\u2014not on its own, not mechanistically, not with no one or nothing governing\u2014but the Providence option says: \u201cNo, the events and the circumstances of our world\u2014including outbreaks of violence, including war, including famine, including disease, including the hard things we go through\u2014those are happening under the governance of a wise and powerful God, who is merciful and who is in control.<\/p>\n<p>I suppose, technically, there\u2019s a third option; it would be the Deist option. This is the idea that was popular about 250 years ago: the idea that there is a God, who is able to exercise control over the world; but He\u2019s typically not engaged in what\u2019s happening. He only intervenes if things get really out of control. Honestly, there are a lot of people who live their lives as what I would call \u201cfunctional deists\u201d\u2014it\u2019s when the illusion of control bursts that a lot of people call out to God.<\/p>\n<p>If you think about the coronavirus, you have three options to consider:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The Imagine option: \u201cThere\u2019s no God; viruses happen; we\u2019re on our own.\u201d<br \/>\nThe Providence option: \u201cThere is a God; He cares for us, and all things are under His control.\u201d<br \/>\nAnd the Deist option that: \u201cThere is a God, but He\u2019s not really paying attention to what\u2019s going on in our lives.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I want us to look at that Providence option, because that\u2019s what the Bible teaches. I want us to ask: \u201cIs this clearly taught in Scripture? Can we believe that God is providentially caring for us? Does the Bible really teach us this?\u201d And then, secondly: \u201cWhat are the implications of that for our lives? If in fact God is in control of everything, what are the implications of living in a coronavirus world when God is in control of everything?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The first question: \u201cIs this what the Bible teaches?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s pretty easy to answer\u2014\u201cWhich view does the Bible teach?\u201d It teaches the Providence option. Let me show you where we find this in the Bible. It\u2019s all over the Bible; but I\u2019ll take you to the passage I pointed you to, at the beginning this morning; that is, Psalm 103, verse19: \u201cThe Lord has established His throne in the heavens; His kingdom rules over all.\u201d That\u2019s the declaration that God is indeed sovereign and providentially caring for His people. The God who created the heavens and the earth is the same God who\u2014today, right now, in the midst of the coronavirus\u2014is ruling His creation from His throne in heaven. The coronavirus is not out of His control; it\u2019s not spreading beyond His borders or His allowance. He is the sovereign God; His throne is established in heaven.<\/p>\n<p>Now, we should note here there\u2019s a difference between what the Bible teaches about God being sovereign and what it teaches about providence. When we say that God is sovereign, we\u2019re saying that He has both the right and the power to rule and reign over His creation; He is the sovereign over us. When we talk about His providence, we\u2019re saying that He uses His sovereign power to accomplish good and wise purposes. So, even the coronavirus, and the implications that are a part of this, are a part of God\u2019s providential care\u2014His good, wise care for us.<\/p>\n<p>That word, \u201cprovidence,\u201d is not found in Scripture; but the idea of providence is everywhere in Scripture. You know the story in Daniel, where King Nebuchadnezzar, who was the king in Babylon: Nebuchadnezzar had rebelled against God. He had pride in his heart; he looked at everything and said, \u201cI\u2019m the greatest king in the world.\u201d God humbled him and had him out, eating grass, as a result of that. Nebuchadnezzar repented and then bowed down before the Lord.<\/p>\n<p>After he did that, here\u2019s what he declared to be true about God\u2014he said, \u201cHis dominion is an everlasting dominion\u201d\u2014as compared to my [the king\u2019s] dominion\u2014\u201cHe is eternal. His kingdom endures from generation to generation. All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing. He does according to His will among the hosts of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay His hand, or say to Him, \u2018What have you done?\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>God is sovereign; He is wise; He is in control; and He can be trusted. John Calvin said: \u201cIgnorance of providence is the ultimate of all miseries. The highest blessedness lies in the knowledge of it.\u201d If you don\u2019t have hope in the providence of God, you are miserable. If you are singing, \u201cImagine there\u2019s no heaven, only sky above, no religion, no God,\u201d that will lead you to misery, to a loss of hope, to a lack of joy. But blessedness comes in the knowledge of the providential care of God: everything is under His control.<\/p>\n<p>That does raise some questions in your mind, right? I mean: \u201cThis thing, this deadly coronavirus, which brings suffering and death in our world, how can we say that this comes to us from the hand of a good, and loving, and kind, and merciful God?\u201d This is the question that has plagued people for generations, right? It\u2019s referred to by some as the theodicy: \u201cHow can a good and kind God, who is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving, allow evil and suffering in our world?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The Bible\u2019s answer to that question is unsatisfying for a lot of us; because the answer we want is: we want the knowledge and the understanding of God\u2019s purposes and His plans; so that, we can understand why He\u2019s doing what He\u2019s doing and find comfort in that. God does not give us understanding of all of His ways and His plans. He simply says, \u201cTrust Me.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>What does all this mean for us? How do we live in a world that coronavirus is infecting? Even when hard things are happening, how do we live and how do we respond? I\u2019ll just give you two thoughts here. First, if it is God\u2019s will for us to go through trials and hardship, we need to be ready to embrace those trials and that hardship by faith. Embrace the trials and hardship by faith.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s what I mean by that. Most of us have become very accustomed to comfort, and convenience, and ease, and plenty. I have lived my whole life in comfort, and in convenience, and ease, and plenty\u2014never been a time when I wanted a sandwich and there was not bread available. That\u2019s unique to our circumstance; that\u2019s not how most people in the world live, and it\u2019s not how everybody throughout history has lived.<\/p>\n<p>I know that we\u2019re going through times that have been periods of real disappointment and sadness for people. I know that there are students, who were looking forward to the spring: to sports schedules, and games, and being able to have tournaments; to the high school plays and productions; to the band concert was going to go on. There are students, who have moved back home; they\u2019re not with their fellow students anymore on the college campus\u2014they\u2019re disappointed by that.<\/p>\n<p>People had trips planned; people had weddings planned. I know there are people, who are frustrated by empty shelves at the stores; or the gym closing; or people who are wondering, again, \u201cAm I going to have a job in a few weeks?\u201d People have seen retirement savings drop by 30 or 40 percent.<\/p>\n<p>Look, it\u2019s probably going to get harder before it gets easier. Can we be people who\u2014in the midst of this emotional rollercoaster that we\u2019re riding on right now\u2014be people who are trusting and clinging to God; and looking to Him and saying, \u201cHis plan is good; and I will trust in Him, even when it\u2019s hard\u201d? Can we be that kind of people?<\/p>\n<p>That doesn\u2019t mean that you pretend like you\u2019re not feeling what you\u2019re feeling; I\u2019m not saying that. But it does mean that, when you have those feelings, you take them to God; and ultimately, you land in a place, where you say, \u201cI don\u2019t understand, but I\u2019ll trust You.\u201d Can we be people who find our hope, and our joy, and our strength in Him?<\/p>\n<p>I shared with many of you this week that my mom, when she was still alive, would often tell me about growing up in the Depression and about going through World War II. She would look at me and she would say: \u201cYou kids\/your generation\u2014you don\u2019t understand what it was like for us. You don\u2019t understand bread lines; you don\u2019t understand rationing. You don\u2019t understand quarantines or not being able to travel.\u201d She said: \u201cWe did all of this because we didn\u2019t have any choice. We embraced a time of shared suffering; and we did it with hope and joy, not with grumbling, because it\u2019s what we had to do.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve lived in comfort for so long that the question for all of us is: \u201cCan we live with joy and peace in a time of disruption? Can we live with shared suffering?\u201d I shared that note, and I got a note back from Curtis Thomas. As I talked about World War II, he said:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI was born near the end of the Depression. I can remember how poor our family was. We often wondered if we were going to have food or kerosene to cook the food with.\u201d I read that and I thought, \u201cI\u2019ve never wondered if I was going to be able to heat my lunch.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He went on to say: \u201cI\u2019m reminded of what occurred during World War II, during my grade school years, when many vital things were rationed. Some families could not find a home to live in.\u201d He said: \u201cAt times, my grandfather, my uncle, and my five cousins lived with us in our two-bedroom home; and that was with the seven of us in my own family. One bathroom that we used, and we shared that with the people who lived next door.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He said: \u201cThose were some tough times; but back then, we looked out for one another. We never locked the doors; strangers were welcome. There were homeless people\/people who didn\u2019t have a home of their own. They were always taken in by somebody, often total strangers.\u201d He said: \u201cI remember waking up one morning and there was a stranger sleeping on our couch. Dad had found him sleeping in his car and brought him into our house that night so he could sleep in our home.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Curtis says, \u201cSome have stated that the virus is a curse upon our nation and other countries because we\u2019ve forgotten God; maybe so.\u201d Curtis, again, wisely saying, \u201cWe\u2019re not going to ascribe the motive of God, because we don\u2019t know what the motive of God is.\u201d He says, \u201cMaybe that\u2019s it; but maybe it\u2019s being used by God to help us see our need for one another, sort of like we did in the \u201930s, \u201940s, and \u201950s.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Again, we don\u2019t want to speculate; because we don\u2019t know what God\u2019s purposes are here; but the question is: \u201cCan we be transformed people in the midst of this?\u201d If things get really hard for us\u2014and you may think, \u201cOh, can it get harder?\u201d \u201cYes, it can get a lot harder,\u201d\u2014if things get really hard, can you maintain peace? Can you maintain joy? Can you maintain hope and love for others? You can, if you\u2019re drawing from the reservoir of the Spirit in you, not looking at your circumstances to define your life. Job said, \u201cWill we receive good from God, and shall we not receive evil also?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s the second thing to remember as we embrace providence. If it\u2019s God\u2019s will for us to go through trials and hardship, we need to be more ready than ever to tell people about Jesus, and the hope, and comfort He provides for us. Be ready to say to people this week: \u201cCan I pray for you?\u201d \u201cCan I pray with you?\u201d Make that something you do comfortably and easily.<\/p>\n<p>Say to the person at the grocery store, as you\u2019re checking out: \u201cThank you for serving us. Thank you for risking to be here so that my family can have food. What\u2019s your name, and how can we pray for you?\u201d That\u2019s a simple way that you can reflect the fact that your trust is in the Lord. Be generous and kind with people, who are serving us right now; and be bolder than maybe you\u2019ve ever been in your life.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, I\u2019m going to be bold for just a minute. Some of you tuned in here this morning, you\u2019re looking for help and for answers during confusing times. I want you to listen to me carefully. If you found out later today\u2014you started to have a dry cough and a sore throat, and you were eventually diagnosed with COVID-19 this week, and then your condition started to deteriorate, and you were facing death\u2014\u201cDo you have a confidence that, if death came, you\u2019d be in heaven when death arrives? Do you have that confidence?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>If you look at that and say: \u201cWell, I think so. I think I\u2019d be in heaven,\u201d\u2014and I say: \u201cWhy do you think so?\u201d or \u201cWhy are you confident?\u201d\u2014and you say, \u201cWell, because I\u2019ve tried to live a good life,\u201d\u2014or you say\u2014\u201cWell, because I\u2019m not really a bad person,\u201d or \u201cWhen I was a child, I prayed a prayer; so I\u2019m trusting that that got me in.\u201d Listen carefully\u2014your trying to live a good life is not what gets you or anybody into heaven. The thought that you\u2019re not a bad person\u2014it\u2019s worse than you realize. I mean, all of us have evil; all of us have grumbling; all of us have bad thoughts; all of us\u2014we\u2019re infected with selfishness. We want to be in control of our own lives. All of us are in that circumstance, and God\u2019s standard is perfection, and we all fall short of God\u2019s standard.<\/p>\n<p>There is a way to have a certainty and a confidence that, if you were to die\u2014whether it\u2019s from the coronavirus or from something else\u2014a certainty that you would be welcomed by God into His family, and you would live with Him eternally in heaven. Here\u2019s how you can have that confidence:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>You can recognize that you can\u2019t save yourself; and you can turn to the only one who can save you, and that\u2019s Jesus. Jesus came to earth; He lived a perfect life, and then He died a death on the cross that He did not deserve. He did that in our place, taking our sin on Him. He comes to us and He says: \u201cCome to Me, all you who are weary and heavy laden. I will give you rest,\u201d\u2014\u201cI\u2019ll give you salvation,\u201d\u2014\u201cTake My yoke on you. Follow Me: deny yourself, pick up your cross, follow Me. I will give you rest.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>If you don\u2019t have a hope or a confidence that you\u2019d be in heaven, that can be settled here today. There\u2019s no more urgent issue facing you right now than the urgent issue that you can be welcomed home by God. All it takes is to pray a prayer; you cry out to God and you say, \u201cGod, I need You.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In fact, it\u2019s a prayer that would go something like this:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Lord, I need You. I\u2019ve been trying to control my own life; life is out of control. I need You to take care of me. I confess to You that I\u2019m a sinner: that I\u2019ve been trying to run my own life, that I\u2019m selfish, that I care more about me than I do about others. Lord, I need forgiveness for that. I need the forgiveness for my sins that You offer through Jesus. Thank You that Jesus came and died on a cross for me; so that, I can be with You in heaven.<\/p>\n<p>So Lord, now I surrender my life to You; I pledge myself to You. I will be Your follower; I will be Your child; I will live for You. Teach me Your ways. Help me to be the kind of person You want me to be as I surrender my life to You.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>You pray a prayer like that, God hears you and He promises to forgive your sin\u2014to welcome you into His family. He will begin the process of transforming your life and making you like His own child, making you to become a Christ-follower.<\/p>\n<p>[Studio]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, what we\u2019ve been listening to today is an excerpt from a message that was shared with the congregation at Redeemer Community Church in Little Rock last Sunday. The entire message is available, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. There\u2019s a link both to the audio and the video of that message if you\u2019d like to hear it in its entirety.<\/p>\n<p>Dave, there is no more urgent issue for people today than the question of the state of your soul in this moment; because there are people, who are facing not just sickness, but death in our day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, I actually believe there could be quite a homecoming, during this time, of people coming to Jesus\u2014maybe a revival in our homes\/in our cities. I mean, when it gets dark, you need light.<\/p>\n<p>Bob, you did a great job of pointing people to the Light\u2014it\u2019s Jesus. So many of us know about Him; we don\u2019t know Him\/we\u2019ve never surrendered to Him. I\u2019m hoping that people responded in your message; but I\u2019m also hoping people respond today, as they listen to this broadcast, to give their life to Jesus\u2014that is eternity. It\u2019s more important than anything going on right now\u2014is taking care of your soul\u2014and Jesus is the answer.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com, we have resources to help you settle the issue. If you\u2019re asking the question: \u201cDo I really know Christ?\u201d \u201cAm I saved?\u201d \u201cDo I have confidence that if I were to die today I would go to heaven?\u201d you can go to FamilyLifeToday.com; and there are links there that can help you resolve this issue in your own heart.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Bob, I think this is a really good time, too, for us, as moms\/as dads, to have talks with our kids about this. You know, when it comes to eternity\/when it comes to Jesus\u2014Easter\u2019s right around the corner\u2014for us to talk about, \u201cWhy did Jesus have to die?\u201d I think these are great conversations that we can also have around our dinner table.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> I hope that listeners are making it a priority, as you come to the weekend, to still gather with your local church. Most of us are doing it virtually these days, but folks can go online. If you\u2019re not a part of a local church, this is a good time for you to connect with a church in your community that\u2019s having online services. Make this a priority in your weekend.<\/p>\n<p>I also want to say\u2014a lot of churches are facing financial challenges; because a lot of people in the congregation are facing financial challenges; or just because the routine of showing up and putting money in an offering plate, we\u2019re not doing that the way we were doing it a few weeks ago. Remember your local church and their financial needs, and be as generous as you can be.<\/p>\n<p>At the risk of sounding self-serving, remember ministries like FamilyLife Today as well. Because these are challenging times for all of us, those who are able to be generous now, be especially generous with your local church and with other ministries that are serving in this season.<\/p>\n<p>Well, we hope you can join us back on Monday. We\u2019re going to talk about the importance and the power of our words in our marriage relationship. We need to be careful with our words during this season. Rob and Gina Flood will join us to talk about healthy marital communication on Monday. I hope you can be here as well.<\/p>\n<p>I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch. Our entire broadcast production team\u2014they have been working really hard this week; thank you, guys. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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To take advantage of this offer, select the Monthly Plan subscription and enter the COUPON code: FAMILYLIFE\u00a0\u00a0Please note that this offer is only good for six weeks of free content.<br \/>\nListen to Bob Lepine's full sermon: https:\/\/redeemerlr.org\/sermons\/when-providence-brings-a-plague\/<br \/>\nVisit Two Ways to Live \u2013 http:\/\/twowaystolive.com\/<\/p>\n","transcript_url":"https:\/\/familylifetodaypdfs.s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com\/fl2020-03-27-repl.pdf","transcript_content":"<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> And welcome to FamilyLife Today. Thanks for joining us. I\u2019m Bob Lepine, along with our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson. We are keeping appropriate social distancing on the COVID-19 editions of FamilyLife Today, the special quarantine editions.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I think we\u2019re way beyond appropriate.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, I think we\u2019re beyond six feet. [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> We are states away from one another.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re about 1,000 miles away from one another; Dave and Ann, at their home in Michigan, and I\u2019m at our studios, here at FamilyLife\u00ae, in Little Rock. Our offices are closed down, but we\u2019ve come in and opened the studio so that we can continue to connect with our listeners and can provide whatever encouragement and hope we can during this time\u2014an anxious time for all of us.<\/p>\n<p>Ann, you\u2019re talking to a lot of women and a lot of moms, who are naturally fearful during this time\u2014not that men aren\u2019t\u2014but a lot of moms are feeling it in a unique way.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, I think we are. I think we\u2019re thinking about our parents, and our kids, our friends. Honestly, I\u2019ve been talking to my daughter-in-laws, and there is a lot of fear going on. I think people are anxious.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Your dad is in a retirement center, and he\u2019s in total isolation at this point; right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, my dad\u2019s 91; he\u2019s in an assisted living. They can\u2019t have any visitors, and now they\u2019re at a point where they\u2019re not even dining together. They are isolated in their rooms.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> So you\u2019re Face-timing with him; and nurses are coming in, or food\u2019s being brought to them; but they can\u2019t leave the room.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, it can be a really lonely time for a lot of people. I think, too, [for those] who are living on their own.<\/p>\n<p>Dave and I, just this past weekend, we asked people, \u201cHow can we pray for you?\u201d We were inundated with so many prayer requests of people who are worrying; they\u2019re fearful; they\u2019re worried about their family. It was really cool; we spent a good part of our day yesterday, just going through those prayer requests and praying for people because they feel it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Dave, as our church gathered this past Sunday, here in Little Rock, the question that was on my heart, and I think on the heart of a lot of people, is: \u201cHow do we understand the goodness and the providence of God in the midst of a viral outbreak in our world? Can God be trusted in the middle of situations like this?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, that is\u2014if not the biggest question\u2014it is almost the biggest question ever asked: \u201cHow can a powerful, and loving, good God allow evil and suffering to happen?\u201d Now we\u2019re in it; we need somebody with real wisdom to answer that for us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Exactly!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> I heard you found somebody! [Laughter]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> We found the best!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> We thought we would share with our listeners a portion of the message that I shared with our church, here in Little Rock, last Sunday. The title of the message was \u201cWhen Providence Brings a Plague.\u201d We talked about this issue of: \u201cIs God there?\u201d \u201cIs He in control?\u201d and \u201cDoes He care?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>[Recorded Message]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know what your tweet, or your Facebook\u00ae posts, or news items you\u2019ve been looking at, or even your personal experience, have been like this week. I don\u2019t know how your heart has been stirred toward anxiety or if you\u2019ve been troubled by what you\u2019ve heard or what you\u2019ve read. I think all of us would acknowledge that we know the Bible calls us not to be fearful, and to trust in the Lord, and to cast our cares on Him. We know that\u2019s true, but there are seasons in our lives when our ability to do that is put to the test multiple times during the day.<\/p>\n<p>I saw a video online this week\u2014maybe some of you saw it\u2014where a number of entertainment industry people had gotten together. One actress had thought it would be a good idea if everybody sang a different line from the John Lennon song, Imagine. I pulled up the video, and the first line in Imagine\u2014here\u2019s an actress, a cappella, singing, \u201cImagine there\u2019s no heaven.\u201d I\u2019m thinking: \u201cThis is what\u2019s bringing comfort and hope to you in this season?\u2014that we would all get together and sing that there\u2019s no religion, and there\u2019s nothing but sky above us, and it\u2019s easy to do this if you try? Is that really where comfort comes from?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Listen to me\u2014in this current moment\/the crisis we\u2019re considering, we have two options to consider. Option one is the option that the entertainment industry folks went to, which was to imagine that there\u2019s no heaven, no religion, just sky above us. There\u2019s nothing that governs the germs in our world; the universe is running on its own; viruses occur naturally; they can spring up on their own at any time; they can kill you; and our only hope is to somehow figure out how we can kill them. But we don\u2019t have any resources to appeal to outside of ourselves; it\u2019s us against them, and there\u2019s no one else we can call on for hope or help. That\u2019s the Imagine option.<\/p>\n<p>But I want us to consider a second option, which is the traditional Christian option. I\u2019m calling it the Providence option. Option two is the Providence option. Imagine that, in this situation, the world is functioning\u2014not on its own, not mechanistically, not with no one or nothing governing\u2014but the Providence option says: \u201cNo, the events and the circumstances of our world\u2014including outbreaks of violence, including war, including famine, including disease, including the hard things we go through\u2014those are happening under the governance of a wise and powerful God, who is merciful and who is in control.<\/p>\n<p>I suppose, technically, there\u2019s a third option; it would be the Deist option. This is the idea that was popular about 250 years ago: the idea that there is a God, who is able to exercise control over the world; but He\u2019s typically not engaged in what\u2019s happening. He only intervenes if things get really out of control. Honestly, there are a lot of people who live their lives as what I would call \u201cfunctional deists\u201d\u2014it\u2019s when the illusion of control bursts that a lot of people call out to God.<\/p>\n<p>If you think about the coronavirus, you have three options to consider:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The Imagine option: \u201cThere\u2019s no God; viruses happen; we\u2019re on our own.\u201d<br \/>\nThe Providence option: \u201cThere is a God; He cares for us, and all things are under His control.\u201d<br \/>\nAnd the Deist option that: \u201cThere is a God, but He\u2019s not really paying attention to what\u2019s going on in our lives.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I want us to look at that Providence option, because that\u2019s what the Bible teaches. I want us to ask: \u201cIs this clearly taught in Scripture? Can we believe that God is providentially caring for us? Does the Bible really teach us this?\u201d And then, secondly: \u201cWhat are the implications of that for our lives? If in fact God is in control of everything, what are the implications of living in a coronavirus world when God is in control of everything?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The first question: \u201cIs this what the Bible teaches?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s pretty easy to answer\u2014\u201cWhich view does the Bible teach?\u201d It teaches the Providence option. Let me show you where we find this in the Bible. It\u2019s all over the Bible; but I\u2019ll take you to the passage I pointed you to, at the beginning this morning; that is, Psalm 103, verse19: \u201cThe Lord has established His throne in the heavens; His kingdom rules over all.\u201d That\u2019s the declaration that God is indeed sovereign and providentially caring for His people. The God who created the heavens and the earth is the same God who\u2014today, right now, in the midst of the coronavirus\u2014is ruling His creation from His throne in heaven. The coronavirus is not out of His control; it\u2019s not spreading beyond His borders or His allowance. He is the sovereign God; His throne is established in heaven.<\/p>\n<p>Now, we should note here there\u2019s a difference between what the Bible teaches about God being sovereign and what it teaches about providence. When we say that God is sovereign, we\u2019re saying that He has both the right and the power to rule and reign over His creation; He is the sovereign over us. When we talk about His providence, we\u2019re saying that He uses His sovereign power to accomplish good and wise purposes. So, even the coronavirus, and the implications that are a part of this, are a part of God\u2019s providential care\u2014His good, wise care for us.<\/p>\n<p>That word, \u201cprovidence,\u201d is not found in Scripture; but the idea of providence is everywhere in Scripture. You know the story in Daniel, where King Nebuchadnezzar, who was the king in Babylon: Nebuchadnezzar had rebelled against God. He had pride in his heart; he looked at everything and said, \u201cI\u2019m the greatest king in the world.\u201d God humbled him and had him out, eating grass, as a result of that. Nebuchadnezzar repented and then bowed down before the Lord.<\/p>\n<p>After he did that, here\u2019s what he declared to be true about God\u2014he said, \u201cHis dominion is an everlasting dominion\u201d\u2014as compared to my [the king\u2019s] dominion\u2014\u201cHe is eternal. His kingdom endures from generation to generation. All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing. He does according to His will among the hosts of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay His hand, or say to Him, \u2018What have you done?\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>God is sovereign; He is wise; He is in control; and He can be trusted. John Calvin said: \u201cIgnorance of providence is the ultimate of all miseries. The highest blessedness lies in the knowledge of it.\u201d If you don\u2019t have hope in the providence of God, you are miserable. If you are singing, \u201cImagine there\u2019s no heaven, only sky above, no religion, no God,\u201d that will lead you to misery, to a loss of hope, to a lack of joy. But blessedness comes in the knowledge of the providential care of God: everything is under His control.<\/p>\n<p>That does raise some questions in your mind, right? I mean: \u201cThis thing, this deadly coronavirus, which brings suffering and death in our world, how can we say that this comes to us from the hand of a good, and loving, and kind, and merciful God?\u201d This is the question that has plagued people for generations, right? It\u2019s referred to by some as the theodicy: \u201cHow can a good and kind God, who is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving, allow evil and suffering in our world?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The Bible\u2019s answer to that question is unsatisfying for a lot of us; because the answer we want is: we want the knowledge and the understanding of God\u2019s purposes and His plans; so that, we can understand why He\u2019s doing what He\u2019s doing and find comfort in that. God does not give us understanding of all of His ways and His plans. He simply says, \u201cTrust Me.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>What does all this mean for us? How do we live in a world that coronavirus is infecting? Even when hard things are happening, how do we live and how do we respond? I\u2019ll just give you two thoughts here. First, if it is God\u2019s will for us to go through trials and hardship, we need to be ready to embrace those trials and that hardship by faith. Embrace the trials and hardship by faith.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s what I mean by that. Most of us have become very accustomed to comfort, and convenience, and ease, and plenty. I have lived my whole life in comfort, and in convenience, and ease, and plenty\u2014never been a time when I wanted a sandwich and there was not bread available. That\u2019s unique to our circumstance; that\u2019s not how most people in the world live, and it\u2019s not how everybody throughout history has lived.<\/p>\n<p>I know that we\u2019re going through times that have been periods of real disappointment and sadness for people. I know that there are students, who were looking forward to the spring: to sports schedules, and games, and being able to have tournaments; to the high school plays and productions; to the band concert was going to go on. There are students, who have moved back home; they\u2019re not with their fellow students anymore on the college campus\u2014they\u2019re disappointed by that.<\/p>\n<p>People had trips planned; people had weddings planned. I know there are people, who are frustrated by empty shelves at the stores; or the gym closing; or people who are wondering, again, \u201cAm I going to have a job in a few weeks?\u201d People have seen retirement savings drop by 30 or 40 percent.<\/p>\n<p>Look, it\u2019s probably going to get harder before it gets easier. Can we be people who\u2014in the midst of this emotional rollercoaster that we\u2019re riding on right now\u2014be people who are trusting and clinging to God; and looking to Him and saying, \u201cHis plan is good; and I will trust in Him, even when it\u2019s hard\u201d? Can we be that kind of people?<\/p>\n<p>That doesn\u2019t mean that you pretend like you\u2019re not feeling what you\u2019re feeling; I\u2019m not saying that. But it does mean that, when you have those feelings, you take them to God; and ultimately, you land in a place, where you say, \u201cI don\u2019t understand, but I\u2019ll trust You.\u201d Can we be people who find our hope, and our joy, and our strength in Him?<\/p>\n<p>I shared with many of you this week that my mom, when she was still alive, would often tell me about growing up in the Depression and about going through World War II. She would look at me and she would say: \u201cYou kids\/your generation\u2014you don\u2019t understand what it was like for us. You don\u2019t understand bread lines; you don\u2019t understand rationing. You don\u2019t understand quarantines or not being able to travel.\u201d She said: \u201cWe did all of this because we didn\u2019t have any choice. We embraced a time of shared suffering; and we did it with hope and joy, not with grumbling, because it\u2019s what we had to do.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve lived in comfort for so long that the question for all of us is: \u201cCan we live with joy and peace in a time of disruption? Can we live with shared suffering?\u201d I shared that note, and I got a note back from Curtis Thomas. As I talked about World War II, he said:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI was born near the end of the Depression. I can remember how poor our family was. We often wondered if we were going to have food or kerosene to cook the food with.\u201d I read that and I thought, \u201cI\u2019ve never wondered if I was going to be able to heat my lunch.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He went on to say: \u201cI\u2019m reminded of what occurred during World War II, during my grade school years, when many vital things were rationed. Some families could not find a home to live in.\u201d He said: \u201cAt times, my grandfather, my uncle, and my five cousins lived with us in our two-bedroom home; and that was with the seven of us in my own family. One bathroom that we used, and we shared that with the people who lived next door.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He said: \u201cThose were some tough times; but back then, we looked out for one another. We never locked the doors; strangers were welcome. There were homeless people\/people who didn\u2019t have a home of their own. They were always taken in by somebody, often total strangers.\u201d He said: \u201cI remember waking up one morning and there was a stranger sleeping on our couch. Dad had found him sleeping in his car and brought him into our house that night so he could sleep in our home.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Curtis says, \u201cSome have stated that the virus is a curse upon our nation and other countries because we\u2019ve forgotten God; maybe so.\u201d Curtis, again, wisely saying, \u201cWe\u2019re not going to ascribe the motive of God, because we don\u2019t know what the motive of God is.\u201d He says, \u201cMaybe that\u2019s it; but maybe it\u2019s being used by God to help us see our need for one another, sort of like we did in the \u201930s, \u201940s, and \u201950s.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Again, we don\u2019t want to speculate; because we don\u2019t know what God\u2019s purposes are here; but the question is: \u201cCan we be transformed people in the midst of this?\u201d If things get really hard for us\u2014and you may think, \u201cOh, can it get harder?\u201d \u201cYes, it can get a lot harder,\u201d\u2014if things get really hard, can you maintain peace? Can you maintain joy? Can you maintain hope and love for others? You can, if you\u2019re drawing from the reservoir of the Spirit in you, not looking at your circumstances to define your life. Job said, \u201cWill we receive good from God, and shall we not receive evil also?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s the second thing to remember as we embrace providence. If it\u2019s God\u2019s will for us to go through trials and hardship, we need to be more ready than ever to tell people about Jesus, and the hope, and comfort He provides for us. Be ready to say to people this week: \u201cCan I pray for you?\u201d \u201cCan I pray with you?\u201d Make that something you do comfortably and easily.<\/p>\n<p>Say to the person at the grocery store, as you\u2019re checking out: \u201cThank you for serving us. Thank you for risking to be here so that my family can have food. What\u2019s your name, and how can we pray for you?\u201d That\u2019s a simple way that you can reflect the fact that your trust is in the Lord. Be generous and kind with people, who are serving us right now; and be bolder than maybe you\u2019ve ever been in your life.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, I\u2019m going to be bold for just a minute. Some of you tuned in here this morning, you\u2019re looking for help and for answers during confusing times. I want you to listen to me carefully. If you found out later today\u2014you started to have a dry cough and a sore throat, and you were eventually diagnosed with COVID-19 this week, and then your condition started to deteriorate, and you were facing death\u2014\u201cDo you have a confidence that, if death came, you\u2019d be in heaven when death arrives? Do you have that confidence?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>If you look at that and say: \u201cWell, I think so. I think I\u2019d be in heaven,\u201d\u2014and I say: \u201cWhy do you think so?\u201d or \u201cWhy are you confident?\u201d\u2014and you say, \u201cWell, because I\u2019ve tried to live a good life,\u201d\u2014or you say\u2014\u201cWell, because I\u2019m not really a bad person,\u201d or \u201cWhen I was a child, I prayed a prayer; so I\u2019m trusting that that got me in.\u201d Listen carefully\u2014your trying to live a good life is not what gets you or anybody into heaven. The thought that you\u2019re not a bad person\u2014it\u2019s worse than you realize. I mean, all of us have evil; all of us have grumbling; all of us have bad thoughts; all of us\u2014we\u2019re infected with selfishness. We want to be in control of our own lives. All of us are in that circumstance, and God\u2019s standard is perfection, and we all fall short of God\u2019s standard.<\/p>\n<p>There is a way to have a certainty and a confidence that, if you were to die\u2014whether it\u2019s from the coronavirus or from something else\u2014a certainty that you would be welcomed by God into His family, and you would live with Him eternally in heaven. Here\u2019s how you can have that confidence:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>You can recognize that you can\u2019t save yourself; and you can turn to the only one who can save you, and that\u2019s Jesus. Jesus came to earth; He lived a perfect life, and then He died a death on the cross that He did not deserve. He did that in our place, taking our sin on Him. He comes to us and He says: \u201cCome to Me, all you who are weary and heavy laden. I will give you rest,\u201d\u2014\u201cI\u2019ll give you salvation,\u201d\u2014\u201cTake My yoke on you. Follow Me: deny yourself, pick up your cross, follow Me. I will give you rest.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>If you don\u2019t have a hope or a confidence that you\u2019d be in heaven, that can be settled here today. There\u2019s no more urgent issue facing you right now than the urgent issue that you can be welcomed home by God. All it takes is to pray a prayer; you cry out to God and you say, \u201cGod, I need You.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In fact, it\u2019s a prayer that would go something like this:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Lord, I need You. I\u2019ve been trying to control my own life; life is out of control. I need You to take care of me. I confess to You that I\u2019m a sinner: that I\u2019ve been trying to run my own life, that I\u2019m selfish, that I care more about me than I do about others. Lord, I need forgiveness for that. I need the forgiveness for my sins that You offer through Jesus. Thank You that Jesus came and died on a cross for me; so that, I can be with You in heaven.<\/p>\n<p>So Lord, now I surrender my life to You; I pledge myself to You. I will be Your follower; I will be Your child; I will live for You. Teach me Your ways. Help me to be the kind of person You want me to be as I surrender my life to You.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>You pray a prayer like that, God hears you and He promises to forgive your sin\u2014to welcome you into His family. He will begin the process of transforming your life and making you like His own child, making you to become a Christ-follower.<\/p>\n<p>[Studio]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, what we\u2019ve been listening to today is an excerpt from a message that was shared with the congregation at Redeemer Community Church in Little Rock last Sunday. The entire message is available, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. There\u2019s a link both to the audio and the video of that message if you\u2019d like to hear it in its entirety.<\/p>\n<p>Dave, there is no more urgent issue for people today than the question of the state of your soul in this moment; because there are people, who are facing not just sickness, but death in our day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, I actually believe there could be quite a homecoming, during this time, of people coming to Jesus\u2014maybe a revival in our homes\/in our cities. I mean, when it gets dark, you need light.<\/p>\n<p>Bob, you did a great job of pointing people to the Light\u2014it\u2019s Jesus. So many of us know about Him; we don\u2019t know Him\/we\u2019ve never surrendered to Him. I\u2019m hoping that people responded in your message; but I\u2019m also hoping people respond today, as they listen to this broadcast, to give their life to Jesus\u2014that is eternity. It\u2019s more important than anything going on right now\u2014is taking care of your soul\u2014and Jesus is the answer.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com, we have resources to help you settle the issue. If you\u2019re asking the question: \u201cDo I really know Christ?\u201d \u201cAm I saved?\u201d \u201cDo I have confidence that if I were to die today I would go to heaven?\u201d you can go to FamilyLifeToday.com; and there are links there that can help you resolve this issue in your own heart.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ann:<\/strong> Bob, I think this is a really good time, too, for us, as moms\/as dads, to have talks with our kids about this. You know, when it comes to eternity\/when it comes to Jesus\u2014Easter\u2019s right around the corner\u2014for us to talk about, \u201cWhy did Jesus have to die?\u201d I think these are great conversations that we can also have around our dinner table.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bob:<\/strong> I hope that listeners are making it a priority, as you come to the weekend, to still gather with your local church. Most of us are doing it virtually these days, but folks can go online. If you\u2019re not a part of a local church, this is a good time for you to connect with a church in your community that\u2019s having online services. Make this a priority in your weekend.<\/p>\n<p>I also want to say\u2014a lot of churches are facing financial challenges; because a lot of people in the congregation are facing financial challenges; or just because the routine of showing up and putting money in an offering plate, we\u2019re not doing that the way we were doing it a few weeks ago. Remember your local church and their financial needs, and be as generous as you can be.<\/p>\n<p>At the risk of sounding self-serving, remember ministries like FamilyLife Today as well. Because these are challenging times for all of us, those who are able to be generous now, be especially generous with your local church and with other ministries that are serving in this season.<\/p>\n<p>Well, we hope you can join us back on Monday. We\u2019re going to talk about the importance and the power of our words in our marriage relationship. We need to be careful with our words during this season. Rob and Gina Flood will join us to talk about healthy marital communication on Monday. I hope you can be here as well.<\/p>\n<p>I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch. Our entire broadcast production team\u2014they have been working really hard this week; thank you, guys. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you Monday for another edition of FamilyLife Today.<\/p>\n<p><em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru\u00ae Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.<\/p>\n<p>We are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider donating today to help defray the costs?<\/p>\n<p>Copyright \u00a9 2020 FamilyLife. 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