{"id":305847,"date":"2020-03-17T07:00:05","date_gmt":"2020-03-17T11:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/capture-the-creeps\/"},"modified":"2020-03-17T07:00:05","modified_gmt":"2020-03-17T11:00:05","slug":"capture-the-creeps","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/capture-the-creeps\/","title":{"rendered":"Capture the Creeps"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Mary Kassian tells women that if they want to be strong in the Lord, stay away from the creeps. 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She also knows that strength\/spiritual strength doesn\u2019t typically implode all at once; it erodes over time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Maybe she entertains that thought in her head; maybe she lingers on that image that she saw on the television show; maybe she starts criticizes her husband; maybe that criticism starts pouring out into her words. Maybe she lingers on the attention\/the positive attention she\u2019s getting from the guy at work; then, maybe it\u2019s the text messages; then, maybe it\u2019s the lunch. It\u2019s a series of small compromises, where she will find herself far away from where she wants to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, March 17<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You\u2019ll find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Strength is something we typically build over time. Although spiritual strength can be destroyed quickly, more often than not it dissipates slowly. We\u2019re going to talk more about that today with Mary Kassian. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I <em>think<\/em> this is a first; I haven\u2019t done an exhaustive study of all Christian writing and literature; but, at least in the years I\u2019ve been looking at it, I think this is the first Christian book I\u2019ve come across that has a chapter on creeps. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It might be!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The book I\u2019m talking about is a book called <em>The Right Kind of Strong<\/em> by our guest, Mary Kassian, who joins us again. Mary, welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Thanks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Mary is an author, a speaker; she\u2019s a teacher. She lives in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, with her husband and her three adult sons.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> They don\u2019t live with me; they\u2019re out of the basement. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Mary has been a regular guest on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. This new book, <em>The Right Kind of Strong<\/em>, is a call for women to embrace God-given strength as opposed to culturally-defined strength. As we\u2019ve already said this week, knowing the difference will determine whether there\u2019s rejoicing and fulfillment in embracing your strength or whether there\u2019s frustration in it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> The Lord wants women to be strong. Proverbs 31\u2014where it talks about the prototypical ideal woman\u2014it says that she dresses herself with strength, that she makes her arms strong. Strength is something that God desires for His daughters. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You came across this in an interesting way. You were reading about foolish women in the Bible. That\u2019s what got you thinking about, \u201cWhat is the right kind of strong?\u201d\u2014right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> There\u2019s a passage in 2 Timothy, Chapter 3, verses 6-7 that always used to rub me the <em>wrong way<\/em>. Ann is shaking her head; it rubbed her the wrong way too. [Laughter] I think that most women, when they read this passage, the hairs on the back of my neck used to stand up when I read it. It says, \u201cAmong them are those who creep into households and capture weak women\u201d\u2014weak women\u2014\u201cburdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is Paul writing to Timothy in the church of Ephesus. He\u2019s describing a problem amongst this group of women in the church; and he calls them \u201cweak women.\u201d Let me tell you, if anyone had ever called me a weak woman, especially when I was growing up, I would\u2019ve\u2014in fact, I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What would you have done? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Given them \u201cWhat for!\u201d Given them \u201cWhat for!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Given them \u201cWhat for!\u201d Well, I once got into a fight with my brother\u2014an actual fist fight\u2014because he called me a weak girl.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Oh, yes. We were doing dishes; my parents were out for the evening. I don\u2019t know\u2014we were in some sort of a tiff. He\u2019s three-and-a-half years older than me. He called me a weak girl, and down went the dishtowel. We went into the living room, and \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\twe pushed aside the furniture. We had a fisticuff, but we had it out. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> How\u2019d it go?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It did not end well for me. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, but did you get a good lick in or two?\u2014a couple?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I got a good lick in; I laid a good one on his nose. He wasn\u2019t taking me seriously; it was probably a good thing that he didn\u2019t at first. Then, when I licked him, he started taking me seriously and he started fighting; and that was <em>not<\/em> good for me. Our older brother had to come up and intervene in the whole situation\u2014pull him off.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So who are these weak women in the Bible that Paul\u2019s talking about? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> The weak women in the Bible: the word, \u201cweak woman,\u201d is, first of all, <em>really<\/em> fascinating. In English, we have two words: \u201cweak woman\u201d; but in Greek, it\u2019s all one word. It\u2019s just the word for woman and, then, with what\u2019s called a diminutive on the end. Basically, it\u2019s like saying a \u201cbook\u201d and a \u201cbooklet\u201d; or a \u201cpig\u201d and a \u201cpiglet.\u201d This is like a \u201cwoman-ling,\u201d\u2014a diminished woman\/a woman who is less than she ought to have been. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I studied this passage\/as I unpacked this passage, Paul\u2019s point is not that women are weak. Paul\u2019s point is that women ought <em>not<\/em> to be weak. It\u2019s interesting that he wrote this to the church in Ephesus. Priscilla was in the church in Ephesus; that\u2019s one of the powerhouse strong women of the ministry couple, Priscilla and Aquila; so Paul did not want women to be weak. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn this, he talks about weak women\u2014women that are diminished; women that are less than they ought to be\u2014then, he lays out some of the reasons why these women were struggling.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> What were some of the reasons why women were struggling? And how does it correlate to women today?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> When we unpack this passage, it\u2019s just fascinating. Every little tiny phrase talks about a habit that these women were engaged in that diminished them\u2014that made them weaker than they ought to have been\u2014that sapped them of strength. It\u2019s a strength-sapping habit. If we look at these habits, we can see what diminished them, and we can also see what we need to do in order to be strong.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe first one is that the woman, who is a weak woman, tolerates creeps. That\u2019s where we started off\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>\u2014tolerating creeps\u2014because the false teachers were <em>creeping<\/em> into their households. The creeping means to encroach slowly: make advances a little bit at a time, little bit at a time, little bit at a time. I think that, if you are a weak woman, you tolerate creeps in your life; you allow things to creep in a little bit at a time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow these were false teachers; these were creepy guys; but there are all kinds of creeps. There are creeps in terms of our attitudes; there\u2019s creeps in terms of our behavior, in terms of our morals, in terms of what we allow ourselves to be exposed to. No woman gets herself into a predicament or into a situation\u2014perhaps she\u2019s in an affair or perhaps her family relationships are breaking down\u2014she doesn\u2019t get there in one big leap. Often, it\u2019s just a series of small decisions that creep up on her, where she makes a series of bad decisions and then goes, \u201cHow did I ever get here?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say that sin does not advance by leaps; it advances by creeps, the one tiny compromise at a time: maybe she entertains that thought in her head; maybe she lingers on that image that she saw in the television show; maybe she starts criticizing her husband; maybe that criticism starts pouring out into her words; then, maybe she lingers on the attention\/the positive attention she\u2019s getting from the guy at work. Then maybe it\u2019s the text messages; then maybe it\u2019s the lunch. It\u2019s a series of small things that creep into her life\u2014a series of small compromises\u2014where she will find herself far away from where she wants to be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So, why does a woman let this happen? How do you catch the creeps? I love the chapter title. Obviously, she doesn\u2019t see this as happening; it\u2019s a subtle little thing. Yet, to be a strong woman, she\u2019s going to have to be able to stop it. How does she stop it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> The way that she stops is by understanding that it\u2019s a big deal. Most women will go: \u201cWhat\u2019s the big deal? So, I\u2019m watching this HVC television program that has a lot of illicit sex\u2014what\u2019s the big deal? It\u2019s not a big deal.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that a strong woman realizes that all those little deals add up to be a big deal. A strong woman takes care of that little stuff and stops sin from encroaching. We are told in Scripture that the devil prowls around like a lion. A lion doesn\u2019t always just pounce; it prowls, prowls. Sin takes its time; it circles you slowly; it starts sucking you in by one little compromise at a time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think this is why it\u2019s so important that women have other friends that can point out the creeps; because sometimes it\u2019s so subtle, we don\u2019t realize what\u2019s happening. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was just talking to a woman this morning on Facebook<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> that messaged me. She gave me her whole story of she was in a marriage relationship; her husband had an affair\u2014he left her for another woman. Now, she\u2019s in another relationship, where she just found out this guy\u2019s been cheating on her so many times. She\u2019s devastated; but he\u2019s saying: \u201cLet\u2019s go to church,\u201d and \u201cYou need to forgive me, because Jesus has forgiven me.\u201d She said, \u201cI\u2019m thinking that\u2019s what I should do and stay in the relationship.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs another woman, I\u2019m saying: \u201cI see this a little more objectively than maybe you do.\u201d I need to say, \u201cYes, you do need to forgive him; but I also think you need to be out of this relationship,\u201d\u2014just somebody to say: \u201cNo! This isn\u2019t good for you! I\u2019m sure that Jesus loves him\/has a plan for him. But for now, let him get healthy, and heal, and get counseling, and seek Jesus. But go away and you seek Jesus on your own, because you deserve more than that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSometimes somebody else can see it way more clearly; we need women friends. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wisdom and discernment are really key to spotting creeps. I agree with you, because there\u2019s wisdom in a multitude of counselors. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut to catch the creeps, you\u2019ve got to be a discerning person; you\u2019ve got to be alert; you\u2019ve got to be wise. To get there, you\u2019ve got to be steeped in the Scriptures so you can spot these things when they emerge.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Absolutely; because if you don\u2019t understand what is right and what is wrong, what is good, what is bad\u2014if you don\u2019t understand what the Word of God has to say about what truly is a creep and what isn\u2019t\u2014then you\u2019re going to misjudge; you\u2019re going to make some bad judgements. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think all of us need to, also, be alert to the voice of our conscience\/the voice of the Spirit\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014because God will do that for us. There\u2019ll be those little things, where you go, \u201cWait; is this the right thing?\u201d When you feel that, don\u2019t just shrug it off and move forward; go: \u201cHang on. I need to pull out. I need to think about this, so that I can be wise in the choices that I make.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I know for men\u2014I don\u2019t think it\u2019s any different for women\u2014I need the Spirit; I need the conscience; I need another guy to help me identify the creeps. You need that guy\/you need that woman to come beside you and go: \u201cHe\u2019s a creep! What are you doing?!\u201d Then, you sort of wake up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI love what you said\u2014I wasn\u2019t even going there in this chapter until you said it\u2014\u201cThe biggest creep of all\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cis Satan.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cis Satan!\u201d I\u2019ve never heard him called \u201cthe biggest creep of all.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> He is biggest creep; absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Talk about that influence.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> He\u2019s the uber-creep; he\u2019s the big, big mighty creep, who seeks to creep up on us and to encroach on children of God to get them to live lives of defeat, to suck them into sin, to get them distracted from knowing God\u2019s Word, and to get them distracted from following Jesus wholeheartedly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s interesting\u2014this passage talks about these false teachers creep into households. I want to focus on that last little phrase: \u201cinto households.\u201d I think that there\u2019s a sense in which women are the keepers of the households. Men are the guardian in terms of the shepherds of the households. I think there\u2019s a sense in which the mama bear is the one who watches over all the relationships, watches what\u2019s going on and is able to perceive and sense when things are off.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI can\u2019t tell you the number of times, in my marriage and in my home, when I have had a sense: \u201cSomething is off here,\u201d \u201cSomething is spiritually wrong,\u201d \u201cSomething is creeping in on my household.\u201d I may not know exactly what it is. Maybe it\u2019s my child, whose emotions or relationships are off\u2014something\u2019s not right. I have prayed and asked God: \u201cGod, would You please reveal sin in my household? We need to see it, so we can deal with it. I want to see what this creep is.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod has, in His grace, done that. It hasn\u2019t always been pretty, but a strong woman does not allow the creeps into her household\/into her home. She claims that for Christ\u2014she says: \u201cSatan, you\u2019re not encroaching here. You\u2019re not encroaching here with attitudes; you\u2019re not encroaching here on my marriage; you\u2019re not encroaching here on my children. I am going to fight for this ground for the gospel. I\u2019m going to fight for truth\u2014I\u2019m going to fight it in my own life; I\u2019m not going to allow the creeps in my own life\u2014and I\u2019m going to be the watch-keeper and guardian over my family, to pray for them, and to pray with my husband and to fight with him, and to alert him when I see things creeping in.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting\u2014in the passage, Paul says the creeps capture weak women; they don\u2019t capture strong women.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m sure they\u2019re trying;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> They are trying.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014it\u2019s not going to happen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It\u2019s not going to happen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You summarize this in your book, <em>The Right Kind of Strength<\/em>; you say: \u201cA weak woman tolerates creeps. She doesn\u2019t know how to spot them, doesn\u2019t have the strength to resist their advances. A strong woman remains on the lookout.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s the strength you\u2019re talking about: \u201cStay vigilant; stay alert.\u201d I\u2019m thinking of the passage we always think of when it relates to men\u2014like 1 Corinthians 16\u2014that says: \u201cStand firm in the faith; be on guard; be alert. Be courageous; be strong. Let everything you do be done in love.\u201d That passage can be applied, in a womanly way, to what a strong woman needs to look like. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think, too, it\u2019s really important that women, as we come together\u2014I\u2019ve always said this\u2014that a woman needs someone in front of her, beside her, and behind her. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn front of her, meaning someone that will mentor you: it\u2019s someone that\u2019s going to pour into you\/who is encouraging you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSomeone beside you is someone who\u2019s running the race right beside you. You\u2019re praying. When you say, \u201cMy husband\u2019s an idiot,\u201d she says, \u201cI hear you, but let\u2019s pray for him.\u201d It\u2019s somebody who\u2019s on the same track, spiritually. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then somebody behind us\u2014that we\u2019re looking for those women, who are just new in their faith, or they\u2019re younger than us, or they\u2019re behind us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that\u2019s really critical; because as we do that, we start to look for those women in our lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m telling you\u2014for women, even if they think that: \u201cI\u2019ve failed; I\u2019m divorced,\u201d \u201cMy kids are rebelling\u201d; but you\u2019ve learned so much! Don\u2019t let Satan take you off that path and that race, because God still wants to use you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There really is a connection between catching the creeps and the habits you talk about in the book\u2014which is where the passage in 2 Timothy takes us\u2014the idea of mastering your mind.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> The passage actually says that these weak women were captured. Actually, some versions of the Bible use the word \u201ccaptivated,\u201d the women were \u201ccaptivated.\u201d There\u2019s an element of psychological domination or psychological\/intellectual mastery that\u2019s taken place. These women are being deceived <em>in their minds.<\/em> I think weak women don\u2019t guard their minds. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tStrong women are very careful to guard their minds for truth\/to fight for truth; and when they see falsehood come into their minds, to correct that with truth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> How do you guard your mind? What do you do, practically, to try to strengthen the muscle of your mind and to keep it alert? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I think that it\u2019s important to know the Word of God. If you don\u2019t know the Word of God, you\u2019re not going to be able to guard your mind. You need to know Scripture. If you don\u2019t know Scripture, you won\u2019t know what\u2019s false and what\u2019s true. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs a Christian\u2014when I have submitted my life to Christ and to His way and His word\u2014then I have to take Scripture and go: \u201cAlright; there are all these thoughts going through my head here. I\u2019m thinking, \u2018Mary, you\u2019re worthless. You\u2019re good for nothing.\u2019 There\u2019s all this mental chatter going on.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI need to evaluate it\u2014to stop and evaluate it\u2014and go: \u201cIs that the way that God wants me to think? Am I thinking according to the truth in the Word of God, or am I giving into deceit?\u201d We\u2019re told that the big creep, Satan, is the master deceiver; and he\u2019s the accuser of the brethren. He\u2019s always going to be whispering in my ear falsehood: things to accuse me, things that will lead me astray, things that are untrue. I have to fight for the truth with the help of God\u2019s Holy Spirit. His Word is how you come against error with truth, and you come against it with the truth of the Word of God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I have done, if there\u2019s something in my life that I am struggling with, I will sometimes identify a Scripture to help me fight that battle. For instance, when I was battling with just having a critical spirit and having critical words, I memorized \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEphesians 4:29, which said, \u201cDo not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouth, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs that it may benefit those who listen.\u201d That\u2019s one of the ways that I combatted that creep and that falsehood that was in <em>my<\/em> mind, and combatted it with truth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is Romans 12:2; right? \u201cDon\u2019t be conformed to this world; be transformed\u201d\u2014how are you transformed?\u2014\u201cby renewing your mind.\u201d And the renewing of the mind is all of the wrong thinking\u2014that comes, as standard operating equipment, when we\u2019re born: the world, the flesh, and the devil are all feeding in there\u2014got to be combatted with right thinking, which is what the Bible gives us. That\u2019s got to be reprogrammed: Bible memorization, meditating on Scripture, studying, going deep. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf somebody says, \u201cYes, I spend ten minutes in devotional reading every day,\u201d that\u2019s great; but that\u2019s <em>not<\/em> sufficient. That\u2019s like saying, \u201cYes, I have\u201d\u2014I was going to say, \u201ca Twinkie,\u201d\u2014and reading the Bible\u2019s not the same as a Twinkie\u2014\u201cI have a cookie\/a healthy cookie, every day\u201d; right? You need some meat and potatoes; you need some vegetables\u2014you need to go a little deeper in your understanding of God\u2019s Word\u2014this is how you renew your mind so that you <em>can<\/em> stand strong and fight the creeps. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I think it\u2019s so critical\u2014Mary just said this\u2014to take every thought captive\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t2 Corinthians 10\u2014it\u2019s like: \u201cI cannot let this negative lie linger for a <em>second<\/em>\u201d; and I want to! I want to play with it; I want to entertain it; I want to live there. It\u2019s like: \u201cNo! Grab it; take it captive,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s what a strong woman does; that\u2019s what a strong <em>man <\/em>does. A weak one plays with it; lets it build: \u201cOh, it\u2019s alright. It\u2019s not going to go anywhere.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> \u201cNot a big deal.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: \u201c<\/strong>It\u2019s going to destroy you\u201d; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes, exactly. A strong woman will do that, and not just with the negative, but also just in terms of the temptation that comes her way. I think that women\u2014nowadays, we\u2019re seeing women are far more tempted to engage in affairs. It used to be that it was the man who went out and cheated; and now, often we\u2019re seeing that it\u2019s the woman who does\/who is responsible for bringing adultery into the relationship and marital breakdown. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLingering with the temptation or the thought: \u201cOh, the grass is greener\u2026.\u201d or \u201cI married the wrong guy,\u201d or \u201cMy husband is so this, so I need to think about and dwell about this.\u201d The thought life and the fantasy life\u2014women tend to have these romantic fantasies that they dwell on, and they play them over and over in their minds; or something they saw on television: \u201cOh, I wish that was me.\u201d I think that\u00a0 taking thoughts captive\u2014taking that captive, as a woman\u2014it means shutting those things down\u2014not just the negative thoughts\u2014but also the temptations that come into our minds.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Sometimes creeps are thoughts. You have to see them as this ugly, gooney thing coming. It\u2019s like: \u201cNo; I am not going to let that thought land. I\u2019m going to grab it now.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Part of the way for a woman to renew her mind and be thinking biblically is to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I know what you\u2019re going to say, Bob; you\u2019re going to say, \u201cBuy this book.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014get a copy of Mary\u2019s book, <em>The Right Kind of <\/em>Strong; because it is anchored in the truth of God\u2019s Word and keeps pointing us back there as we go through this. We\u2019ve got copies of Mary\u2019s book, <em>The Right Kind of Strong,<\/em> in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can go online to order a copy at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call to order: 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website, FamilyLifeToday.com; or call to order at 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to also encourage moms and dads to be having conversations with our daughters and our sons about godly character, godly strength\u2014about the \u201cright kind of strong\u201d for both boys and girls. We put together a resource, years ago, called <em>Passport2Purity<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. There have been thousands\u2014really, tens of thousands of parents\u2014who have taken preadolescent sons or daughters away for a <em>Passport2Purity<\/em> getaway. Take a couple of days; go somewhere that your son or daughter would like to go. Listen to some audio on the way\u2014some conversation about issues facing preadolescents: about dating, about the \u201cbirds and the bees,\u201d and about peer pressure, and how all that\u2019s going to affect as they move into middle school and into high school. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have learned from so many of you how important\/how helpful these getaway weekends had been. We want to make the <em>Passport2Purity<\/em> resource available to you. If you can help with a donation to support this ministry, the <em>Passport2Purity<\/em> kit is our gift to you. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to give an online gift, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a donation over the phone. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re happy to send you the <em>Passport2Purity<\/em> kit, along with one of two books. We\u2019re going to be talking this week to Vicki Courtney about a book she wrote called <em>5 Conversations You Must Have with Your Daughter.<\/em> Next week, we\u2019ll talk to her about <em>5 Conversations You Must Have with Your Son.<\/em> We\u2019ll send you your choice of either the book for daughters or the book for sons so that, as you plan your getaway weekend, you can have some follow-up to do. Go through this book with your kids and talk about the issues that she talks about in the book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, all of this is because of the burden we have that you, as parents, will be better connected with your kids in having important life conversations\/spiritual conversations. All of this happens because of folks who help make it happen by donating to this ministry. Donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. When you donate, ask for your copy of the <em>Passport2Purity<\/em> kit, and ask for your copy of either the <em>5 Conversations You Must Have with Your Daughter <\/em>or \u2026<em>Have with Your Son<\/em> books. We\u2019ll get those to you as our way of saying: \u201cThank you for your ongoing support of the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em> We appreciate you.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you can join us back tomorrow when we\u2019re going to continue our conversation with Mary Kassian. We\u2019re going to talk about how strength and humility are connected; because often, it seems like those two conflict with one another; they really don\u2019t. We\u2019ll talk more about that tomorrow. I hope you can join us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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Kassian tells women that if they want to be strong in the Lord, stay away from the creeps. Creeps can be anything from bad boys to bad attitudes, and the biggest creep of all-Satan.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylife.com\/fl2020-03-17.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Mary Kassian believes women need to be strong women. She also knows that strength\/spiritual strength doesn\u2019t typically implode all at once; it erodes over time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Maybe she entertains that thought in her head; maybe she lingers on that image that she saw on the television show; maybe she starts criticizes her husband; maybe that criticism starts pouring out into her words. Maybe she lingers on the attention\/the positive attention she\u2019s getting from the guy at work; then, maybe it\u2019s the text messages; then, maybe it\u2019s the lunch. It\u2019s a series of small compromises, where she will find herself far away from where she wants to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, March 17<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You\u2019ll find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Strength is something we typically build over time. Although spiritual strength can be destroyed quickly, more often than not it dissipates slowly. We\u2019re going to talk more about that today with Mary Kassian. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I <em>think<\/em> this is a first; I haven\u2019t done an exhaustive study of all Christian writing and literature; but, at least in the years I\u2019ve been looking at it, I think this is the first Christian book I\u2019ve come across that has a chapter on creeps. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It might be!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The book I\u2019m talking about is a book called <em>The Right Kind of Strong<\/em> by our guest, Mary Kassian, who joins us again. Mary, welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Thanks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Mary is an author, a speaker; she\u2019s a teacher. She lives in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, with her husband and her three adult sons.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> They don\u2019t live with me; they\u2019re out of the basement. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Mary has been a regular guest on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. This new book, <em>The Right Kind of Strong<\/em>, is a call for women to embrace God-given strength as opposed to culturally-defined strength. As we\u2019ve already said this week, knowing the difference will determine whether there\u2019s rejoicing and fulfillment in embracing your strength or whether there\u2019s frustration in it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> The Lord wants women to be strong. Proverbs 31\u2014where it talks about the prototypical ideal woman\u2014it says that she dresses herself with strength, that she makes her arms strong. Strength is something that God desires for His daughters. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You came across this in an interesting way. You were reading about foolish women in the Bible. That\u2019s what got you thinking about, \u201cWhat is the right kind of strong?\u201d\u2014right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> There\u2019s a passage in 2 Timothy, Chapter 3, verses 6-7 that always used to rub me the <em>wrong way<\/em>. Ann is shaking her head; it rubbed her the wrong way too. [Laughter] I think that most women, when they read this passage, the hairs on the back of my neck used to stand up when I read it. It says, \u201cAmong them are those who creep into households and capture weak women\u201d\u2014weak women\u2014\u201cburdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is Paul writing to Timothy in the church of Ephesus. He\u2019s describing a problem amongst this group of women in the church; and he calls them \u201cweak women.\u201d Let me tell you, if anyone had ever called me a weak woman, especially when I was growing up, I would\u2019ve\u2014in fact, I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What would you have done? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Given them \u201cWhat for!\u201d Given them \u201cWhat for!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Given them \u201cWhat for!\u201d Well, I once got into a fight with my brother\u2014an actual fist fight\u2014because he called me a weak girl.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Oh, yes. We were doing dishes; my parents were out for the evening. I don\u2019t know\u2014we were in some sort of a tiff. He\u2019s three-and-a-half years older than me. He called me a weak girl, and down went the dishtowel. We went into the living room, and \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\twe pushed aside the furniture. We had a fisticuff, but we had it out. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> How\u2019d it go?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It did not end well for me. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, but did you get a good lick in or two?\u2014a couple?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I got a good lick in; I laid a good one on his nose. He wasn\u2019t taking me seriously; it was probably a good thing that he didn\u2019t at first. Then, when I licked him, he started taking me seriously and he started fighting; and that was <em>not<\/em> good for me. Our older brother had to come up and intervene in the whole situation\u2014pull him off.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So who are these weak women in the Bible that Paul\u2019s talking about? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> The weak women in the Bible: the word, \u201cweak woman,\u201d is, first of all, <em>really<\/em> fascinating. In English, we have two words: \u201cweak woman\u201d; but in Greek, it\u2019s all one word. It\u2019s just the word for woman and, then, with what\u2019s called a diminutive on the end. Basically, it\u2019s like saying a \u201cbook\u201d and a \u201cbooklet\u201d; or a \u201cpig\u201d and a \u201cpiglet.\u201d This is like a \u201cwoman-ling,\u201d\u2014a diminished woman\/a woman who is less than she ought to have been. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I studied this passage\/as I unpacked this passage, Paul\u2019s point is not that women are weak. Paul\u2019s point is that women ought <em>not<\/em> to be weak. It\u2019s interesting that he wrote this to the church in Ephesus. Priscilla was in the church in Ephesus; that\u2019s one of the powerhouse strong women of the ministry couple, Priscilla and Aquila; so Paul did not want women to be weak. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn this, he talks about weak women\u2014women that are diminished; women that are less than they ought to be\u2014then, he lays out some of the reasons why these women were struggling.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> What were some of the reasons why women were struggling? And how does it correlate to women today?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> When we unpack this passage, it\u2019s just fascinating. Every little tiny phrase talks about a habit that these women were engaged in that diminished them\u2014that made them weaker than they ought to have been\u2014that sapped them of strength. It\u2019s a strength-sapping habit. If we look at these habits, we can see what diminished them, and we can also see what we need to do in order to be strong.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe first one is that the woman, who is a weak woman, tolerates creeps. That\u2019s where we started off\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary: <\/strong>\u2014tolerating creeps\u2014because the false teachers were <em>creeping<\/em> into their households. The creeping means to encroach slowly: make advances a little bit at a time, little bit at a time, little bit at a time. I think that, if you are a weak woman, you tolerate creeps in your life; you allow things to creep in a little bit at a time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow these were false teachers; these were creepy guys; but there are all kinds of creeps. There are creeps in terms of our attitudes; there\u2019s creeps in terms of our behavior, in terms of our morals, in terms of what we allow ourselves to be exposed to. No woman gets herself into a predicament or into a situation\u2014perhaps she\u2019s in an affair or perhaps her family relationships are breaking down\u2014she doesn\u2019t get there in one big leap. Often, it\u2019s just a series of small decisions that creep up on her, where she makes a series of bad decisions and then goes, \u201cHow did I ever get here?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say that sin does not advance by leaps; it advances by creeps, the one tiny compromise at a time: maybe she entertains that thought in her head; maybe she lingers on that image that she saw in the television show; maybe she starts criticizing her husband; maybe that criticism starts pouring out into her words; then, maybe she lingers on the attention\/the positive attention she\u2019s getting from the guy at work. Then maybe it\u2019s the text messages; then maybe it\u2019s the lunch. It\u2019s a series of small things that creep into her life\u2014a series of small compromises\u2014where she will find herself far away from where she wants to be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> So, why does a woman let this happen? How do you catch the creeps? I love the chapter title. Obviously, she doesn\u2019t see this as happening; it\u2019s a subtle little thing. Yet, to be a strong woman, she\u2019s going to have to be able to stop it. How does she stop it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> The way that she stops is by understanding that it\u2019s a big deal. Most women will go: \u201cWhat\u2019s the big deal? So, I\u2019m watching this HVC television program that has a lot of illicit sex\u2014what\u2019s the big deal? It\u2019s not a big deal.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that a strong woman realizes that all those little deals add up to be a big deal. A strong woman takes care of that little stuff and stops sin from encroaching. We are told in Scripture that the devil prowls around like a lion. A lion doesn\u2019t always just pounce; it prowls, prowls. Sin takes its time; it circles you slowly; it starts sucking you in by one little compromise at a time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think this is why it\u2019s so important that women have other friends that can point out the creeps; because sometimes it\u2019s so subtle, we don\u2019t realize what\u2019s happening. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was just talking to a woman this morning on Facebook<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> that messaged me. She gave me her whole story of she was in a marriage relationship; her husband had an affair\u2014he left her for another woman. Now, she\u2019s in another relationship, where she just found out this guy\u2019s been cheating on her so many times. She\u2019s devastated; but he\u2019s saying: \u201cLet\u2019s go to church,\u201d and \u201cYou need to forgive me, because Jesus has forgiven me.\u201d She said, \u201cI\u2019m thinking that\u2019s what I should do and stay in the relationship.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs another woman, I\u2019m saying: \u201cI see this a little more objectively than maybe you do.\u201d I need to say, \u201cYes, you do need to forgive him; but I also think you need to be out of this relationship,\u201d\u2014just somebody to say: \u201cNo! This isn\u2019t good for you! I\u2019m sure that Jesus loves him\/has a plan for him. But for now, let him get healthy, and heal, and get counseling, and seek Jesus. But go away and you seek Jesus on your own, because you deserve more than that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSometimes somebody else can see it way more clearly; we need women friends. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wisdom and discernment are really key to spotting creeps. I agree with you, because there\u2019s wisdom in a multitude of counselors. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut to catch the creeps, you\u2019ve got to be a discerning person; you\u2019ve got to be alert; you\u2019ve got to be wise. To get there, you\u2019ve got to be steeped in the Scriptures so you can spot these things when they emerge.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Absolutely; because if you don\u2019t understand what is right and what is wrong, what is good, what is bad\u2014if you don\u2019t understand what the Word of God has to say about what truly is a creep and what isn\u2019t\u2014then you\u2019re going to misjudge; you\u2019re going to make some bad judgements. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think all of us need to, also, be alert to the voice of our conscience\/the voice of the Spirit\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014because God will do that for us. There\u2019ll be those little things, where you go, \u201cWait; is this the right thing?\u201d When you feel that, don\u2019t just shrug it off and move forward; go: \u201cHang on. I need to pull out. I need to think about this, so that I can be wise in the choices that I make.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I know for men\u2014I don\u2019t think it\u2019s any different for women\u2014I need the Spirit; I need the conscience; I need another guy to help me identify the creeps. You need that guy\/you need that woman to come beside you and go: \u201cHe\u2019s a creep! What are you doing?!\u201d Then, you sort of wake up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI love what you said\u2014I wasn\u2019t even going there in this chapter until you said it\u2014\u201cThe biggest creep of all\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cis Satan.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cis Satan!\u201d I\u2019ve never heard him called \u201cthe biggest creep of all.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> He is biggest creep; absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Talk about that influence.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> He\u2019s the uber-creep; he\u2019s the big, big mighty creep, who seeks to creep up on us and to encroach on children of God to get them to live lives of defeat, to suck them into sin, to get them distracted from knowing God\u2019s Word, and to get them distracted from following Jesus wholeheartedly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s interesting\u2014this passage talks about these false teachers creep into households. I want to focus on that last little phrase: \u201cinto households.\u201d I think that there\u2019s a sense in which women are the keepers of the households. Men are the guardian in terms of the shepherds of the households. I think there\u2019s a sense in which the mama bear is the one who watches over all the relationships, watches what\u2019s going on and is able to perceive and sense when things are off.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI can\u2019t tell you the number of times, in my marriage and in my home, when I have had a sense: \u201cSomething is off here,\u201d \u201cSomething is spiritually wrong,\u201d \u201cSomething is creeping in on my household.\u201d I may not know exactly what it is. Maybe it\u2019s my child, whose emotions or relationships are off\u2014something\u2019s not right. I have prayed and asked God: \u201cGod, would You please reveal sin in my household? We need to see it, so we can deal with it. I want to see what this creep is.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod has, in His grace, done that. It hasn\u2019t always been pretty, but a strong woman does not allow the creeps into her household\/into her home. She claims that for Christ\u2014she says: \u201cSatan, you\u2019re not encroaching here. You\u2019re not encroaching here with attitudes; you\u2019re not encroaching here on my marriage; you\u2019re not encroaching here on my children. I am going to fight for this ground for the gospel. I\u2019m going to fight for truth\u2014I\u2019m going to fight it in my own life; I\u2019m not going to allow the creeps in my own life\u2014and I\u2019m going to be the watch-keeper and guardian over my family, to pray for them, and to pray with my husband and to fight with him, and to alert him when I see things creeping in.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting\u2014in the passage, Paul says the creeps capture weak women; they don\u2019t capture strong women.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m sure they\u2019re trying;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> They are trying.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014it\u2019s not going to happen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> It\u2019s not going to happen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You summarize this in your book, <em>The Right Kind of Strength<\/em>; you say: \u201cA weak woman tolerates creeps. She doesn\u2019t know how to spot them, doesn\u2019t have the strength to resist their advances. A strong woman remains on the lookout.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s the strength you\u2019re talking about: \u201cStay vigilant; stay alert.\u201d I\u2019m thinking of the passage we always think of when it relates to men\u2014like 1 Corinthians 16\u2014that says: \u201cStand firm in the faith; be on guard; be alert. Be courageous; be strong. Let everything you do be done in love.\u201d That passage can be applied, in a womanly way, to what a strong woman needs to look like. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think, too, it\u2019s really important that women, as we come together\u2014I\u2019ve always said this\u2014that a woman needs someone in front of her, beside her, and behind her. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn front of her, meaning someone that will mentor you: it\u2019s someone that\u2019s going to pour into you\/who is encouraging you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSomeone beside you is someone who\u2019s running the race right beside you. You\u2019re praying. When you say, \u201cMy husband\u2019s an idiot,\u201d she says, \u201cI hear you, but let\u2019s pray for him.\u201d It\u2019s somebody who\u2019s on the same track, spiritually. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then somebody behind us\u2014that we\u2019re looking for those women, who are just new in their faith, or they\u2019re younger than us, or they\u2019re behind us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that\u2019s really critical; because as we do that, we start to look for those women in our lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m telling you\u2014for women, even if they think that: \u201cI\u2019ve failed; I\u2019m divorced,\u201d \u201cMy kids are rebelling\u201d; but you\u2019ve learned so much! Don\u2019t let Satan take you off that path and that race, because God still wants to use you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There really is a connection between catching the creeps and the habits you talk about in the book\u2014which is where the passage in 2 Timothy takes us\u2014the idea of mastering your mind.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> The passage actually says that these weak women were captured. Actually, some versions of the Bible use the word \u201ccaptivated,\u201d the women were \u201ccaptivated.\u201d There\u2019s an element of psychological domination or psychological\/intellectual mastery that\u2019s taken place. These women are being deceived <em>in their minds.<\/em> I think weak women don\u2019t guard their minds. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tStrong women are very careful to guard their minds for truth\/to fight for truth; and when they see falsehood come into their minds, to correct that with truth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> How do you guard your mind? What do you do, practically, to try to strengthen the muscle of your mind and to keep it alert? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> I think that it\u2019s important to know the Word of God. If you don\u2019t know the Word of God, you\u2019re not going to be able to guard your mind. You need to know Scripture. If you don\u2019t know Scripture, you won\u2019t know what\u2019s false and what\u2019s true. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs a Christian\u2014when I have submitted my life to Christ and to His way and His word\u2014then I have to take Scripture and go: \u201cAlright; there are all these thoughts going through my head here. I\u2019m thinking, \u2018Mary, you\u2019re worthless. You\u2019re good for nothing.\u2019 There\u2019s all this mental chatter going on.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI need to evaluate it\u2014to stop and evaluate it\u2014and go: \u201cIs that the way that God wants me to think? Am I thinking according to the truth in the Word of God, or am I giving into deceit?\u201d We\u2019re told that the big creep, Satan, is the master deceiver; and he\u2019s the accuser of the brethren. He\u2019s always going to be whispering in my ear falsehood: things to accuse me, things that will lead me astray, things that are untrue. I have to fight for the truth with the help of God\u2019s Holy Spirit. His Word is how you come against error with truth, and you come against it with the truth of the Word of God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I have done, if there\u2019s something in my life that I am struggling with, I will sometimes identify a Scripture to help me fight that battle. For instance, when I was battling with just having a critical spirit and having critical words, I memorized \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEphesians 4:29, which said, \u201cDo not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouth, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs that it may benefit those who listen.\u201d That\u2019s one of the ways that I combatted that creep and that falsehood that was in <em>my<\/em> mind, and combatted it with truth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is Romans 12:2; right? \u201cDon\u2019t be conformed to this world; be transformed\u201d\u2014how are you transformed?\u2014\u201cby renewing your mind.\u201d And the renewing of the mind is all of the wrong thinking\u2014that comes, as standard operating equipment, when we\u2019re born: the world, the flesh, and the devil are all feeding in there\u2014got to be combatted with right thinking, which is what the Bible gives us. That\u2019s got to be reprogrammed: Bible memorization, meditating on Scripture, studying, going deep. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf somebody says, \u201cYes, I spend ten minutes in devotional reading every day,\u201d that\u2019s great; but that\u2019s <em>not<\/em> sufficient. That\u2019s like saying, \u201cYes, I have\u201d\u2014I was going to say, \u201ca Twinkie,\u201d\u2014and reading the Bible\u2019s not the same as a Twinkie\u2014\u201cI have a cookie\/a healthy cookie, every day\u201d; right? You need some meat and potatoes; you need some vegetables\u2014you need to go a little deeper in your understanding of God\u2019s Word\u2014this is how you renew your mind so that you <em>can<\/em> stand strong and fight the creeps. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I think it\u2019s so critical\u2014Mary just said this\u2014to take every thought captive\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t2 Corinthians 10\u2014it\u2019s like: \u201cI cannot let this negative lie linger for a <em>second<\/em>\u201d; and I want to! I want to play with it; I want to entertain it; I want to live there. It\u2019s like: \u201cNo! Grab it; take it captive,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s what a strong woman does; that\u2019s what a strong <em>man <\/em>does. A weak one plays with it; lets it build: \u201cOh, it\u2019s alright. It\u2019s not going to go anywhere.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> \u201cNot a big deal.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: \u201c<\/strong>It\u2019s going to destroy you\u201d; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mary:<\/strong> Yes, exactly. A strong woman will do that, and not just with the negative, but also just in terms of the temptation that comes her way. I think that women\u2014nowadays, we\u2019re seeing women are far more tempted to engage in affairs. It used to be that it was the man who went out and cheated; and now, often we\u2019re seeing that it\u2019s the woman who does\/who is responsible for bringing adultery into the relationship and marital breakdown. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLingering with the temptation or the thought: \u201cOh, the grass is greener\u2026.\u201d or \u201cI married the wrong guy,\u201d or \u201cMy husband is so this, so I need to think about and dwell about this.\u201d The thought life and the fantasy life\u2014women tend to have these romantic fantasies that they dwell on, and they play them over and over in their minds; or something they saw on television: \u201cOh, I wish that was me.\u201d I think that\u00a0 taking thoughts captive\u2014taking that captive, as a woman\u2014it means shutting those things down\u2014not just the negative thoughts\u2014but also the temptations that come into our minds.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Sometimes creeps are thoughts. You have to see them as this ugly, gooney thing coming. It\u2019s like: \u201cNo; I am not going to let that thought land. I\u2019m going to grab it now.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Part of the way for a woman to renew her mind and be thinking biblically is to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I know what you\u2019re going to say, Bob; you\u2019re going to say, \u201cBuy this book.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014get a copy of Mary\u2019s book, <em>The Right Kind of <\/em>Strong; because it is anchored in the truth of God\u2019s Word and keeps pointing us back there as we go through this. We\u2019ve got copies of Mary\u2019s book, <em>The Right Kind of Strong,<\/em> in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can go online to order a copy at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call to order: 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website, FamilyLifeToday.com; or call to order at 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to also encourage moms and dads to be having conversations with our daughters and our sons about godly character, godly strength\u2014about the \u201cright kind of strong\u201d for both boys and girls. We put together a resource, years ago, called <em>Passport2Purity<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. There have been thousands\u2014really, tens of thousands of parents\u2014who have taken preadolescent sons or daughters away for a <em>Passport2Purity<\/em> getaway. Take a couple of days; go somewhere that your son or daughter would like to go. Listen to some audio on the way\u2014some conversation about issues facing preadolescents: about dating, about the \u201cbirds and the bees,\u201d and about peer pressure, and how all that\u2019s going to affect as they move into middle school and into high school. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have learned from so many of you how important\/how helpful these getaway weekends had been. We want to make the <em>Passport2Purity<\/em> resource available to you. If you can help with a donation to support this ministry, the <em>Passport2Purity<\/em> kit is our gift to you. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to give an online gift, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a donation over the phone. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re happy to send you the <em>Passport2Purity<\/em> kit, along with one of two books. We\u2019re going to be talking this week to Vicki Courtney about a book she wrote called <em>5 Conversations You Must Have with Your Daughter.<\/em> Next week, we\u2019ll talk to her about <em>5 Conversations You Must Have with Your Son.<\/em> We\u2019ll send you your choice of either the book for daughters or the book for sons so that, as you plan your getaway weekend, you can have some follow-up to do. Go through this book with your kids and talk about the issues that she talks about in the book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, all of this is because of the burden we have that you, as parents, will be better connected with your kids in having important life conversations\/spiritual conversations. All of this happens because of folks who help make it happen by donating to this ministry. Donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. 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