{"id":305822,"date":"2020-03-10T07:00:04","date_gmt":"2020-03-10T11:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-value-of-a-strong-family\/"},"modified":"2020-03-10T07:00:04","modified_gmt":"2020-03-10T11:00:04","slug":"the-value-of-a-strong-family","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-value-of-a-strong-family\/","title":{"rendered":"The Value of a Strong Family"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Guest: Jeremy Camp | Series: I Still Believe | Christian recording artist Jeremy Camp talks about his early years in the Camp household and his parents&#8217; radical conversion to Christianity. Jeremy remembers his own faith journey and the changes he made in his life in order to walk more closely with Christ.<br \/>\nShow Notes and Resources<\/p>\n<p> \tWatch the trailer for the I Still Believe movie.\u00a0 https:\/\/istillbelievemovie.com\/<br \/>\n \tFind resources from this podcast at https:\/\/shop.familylife.com\/.<br \/>\n \tCheck out all that&#8217;s available on the FamilyLife Podcast Network.\u00a0 https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/familylife-podcast-network\/<br \/>\n \tHave the FamilyLife Today\u00ae podcast and resources helped you?\u00a0 Consider becoming a Legacy Partner, a monthly supporter of FamilyLife.\u00a0https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/legacy<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Christian recording artist Jeremy Camp talks about his early years in the Camp household and his parents&#8217; radical conversion to Christianity.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/mp3.familylife.com\/fl2020-03-10.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:26:07","filesize":"23.91M","filesize_raw":"25075803","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2822,2860],"tags":[4299],"podcast_series":[8083],"cwp_profile":[9390],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-305822","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-growing-in-your-faith","category-hardship-and-suffering","tag-faith","podcast_series-i-still-believe","cwp_profile-jeremy-camp","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/305822\/the-value-of-a-strong-family","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/305822\/the-value-of-a-strong-family","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"BpGHO0AzjN\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-value-of-a-strong-family\/\">The Value of a Strong Family<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-value-of-a-strong-family\/embed\/#?secret=BpGHO0AzjN\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;The Value of a Strong Family&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"BpGHO0AzjN\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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I was just playing music soft and quiet and singing songs. The worship leader came up to me from the school and said, \u201cCan you lead one morning for our worship devotions?\u201d I was just <em>terrified<\/em>. I remember I was shaking so terribly and sweating all over that guitar. But I remember, all of a sudden, at the end of it, I felt the joy of the Lord. I felt His pleasure, just saying, \u201cThis is what I\u2019ve called you to do.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, March 10<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I\u2019m Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019ll hear from Jeremy Camp today about how he has been very aware of God\u2019s hand guiding every aspect of his life. Stay with us.\n\nAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition. Who does not love a great love story; right?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Everybody loves a great love story.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s one of my favorite things to do.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> To what?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Go to a movie that\u2019s a love story.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014a love story?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You always hear of chick flicks? I think they\u2019re <em>great<\/em>. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Your heart\u2019s getting softer over the years.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re going to hear a <em>great<\/em> love story this week. The reason we\u2019re hearing it this week is because there\u2019s a great love story coming to theaters this weekend. It\u2019s a movie called <em>I Still Believe<\/em>. It\u2019s based on a true story.\n\nAbout four years ago, I sat down with singer\/songwriter Jeremy Camp and got to ask him questions about his life and about his marriage to his wife, Melissa, which is what this movie coming out on Friday is all about. As our listeners are going to hear this week, this is a profound and powerful story. We\u2019ve had a chance to see the film, which is coming out this weekend; and it\u2019s a great movie too.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s so great.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; this is from the guys who made the movie, <em>I Can Only Imagine<\/em>. They have now made this new movie called <em>I Still Believe<\/em>. There\u2019s a trailer on our website on FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\nWe\u2019re going to dive in. This was an interview in front of a live audience, so you will hear the audience interacting. I started off by asking Jeremy to tell us about the family he grew up in and to tell us about his dad, who had a <em>profound<\/em> impact on his life.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Jeremy:<\/strong> Yes; he grew up\u2014they used to call him \u201cBear.\u201d He had really long hair and a <em>huge<\/em> beard. He was definitely a hippie. He was a drug dealer\/alcoholic. Then, one night, literally, the Lord just got his heart. He went to church; he had been drinking. In church that night, the pastor was talking about: \u201cIf you want to be delivered from drugs and alcohol\u2026\u201d and started just sharing. He [Bear] and his friend jumped over the pews to get to the front.\n\nHe [pastor] said, \u201cIf you want to give your life to Christ\/if you want to submit your heart\u201d\u2014they jumped over the pews, climbed over people, got to the front of the altar. Literally, he said that, when he said the prayer and said, \u201cGod, come into my life and change me,\u201d\u2014he said he sobered up instantly\u2014like sobered up, where he had not been drunk anymore. It\u2019s that power of God in his life, saying, \u201cGod, deliver me from this\u201d; and He did, instantaneously.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And the preacher told him, \u201cIf you really want to experience God, you\u2019ve got to start living right. That means get married,\u201d\u2014right?\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Yes, exactly. And he said, \u201cYou have to get married\u201d; so they immediately ended up getting married.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>He and your mom had been living together\u2014had\u2014your sister was already in the family.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Absolutely.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You hadn\u2019t been born yet.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Right.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But that was a turning point in your dad\u2019s life\/in your mom\u2019s life\u2014in your whole family\u2019s trajectory.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Absolutely. At first, my mom was like, \u201cOh, I\u2019m glad Tom changed his life.\u201d It took her a little bit to realize: \u201cOh, wait! I\u2019m a sinner too. I need Jesus,\u201d\u2014but it was a funny kind of: \u201cOh, I\u2019m glad my boyfriend is finally getting his life straight.\u201d\u00a0 Then, she realized she was a sinner and she needed Jesus. From that point on\u2014just submitted their hearts to the Lord.\n\nI believe that young\u2014I grew up knowing the Lord, in a sense\u2014but I don\u2019t think I really had that moment where I surrendered my heart until I was 16 years old. I was at a youth camp. Literally, my life was changed. I remember the pastor was talking about Revelation, and it scared me to death. I remember just going, \u201cAlright, Lord, whatever You want.\u201d\n\nI remember getting to a point, where God really spoke to my heart and said: \u201cYou\u2019re walking on the edge of a cliff. You\u2019re about ready to fall off, and you need to run as far away as possible. I want to use you, but get away from that edge that you\u2019re walking on.\u201d\u00a0 I remember, at that point on, I said, \u201cGod, I submit my heart to You.\u201d I mean, because it is one thing to say, \u201cI believe in God\u201d; another thing to say, \u201cI make you Lord of my life\u201d; you know?\u2014it\u2019s two different things. I made Him Lord of my life.\n\nAt that point on, when I went back, God said, \u201cDon\u2019t go to the school that you went to; go to a private school, and just get away from the environment for a while.\u201d From that point on, God definitely started directing me toward music; I started writing songs. I ended up going to a Bible college. I knew I wanted to study God\u2019s Word. I think having that foundation in God\u2019s Word\u2014it\u2019s so key; it\u2019s living and it\u2019s active.\n\nI was sitting there in the cafeteria. I was just kind of playing music soft and quiet and singing songs. The worship leader came up to me from the school and said, \u201cCan you lead one morning for our worship devotions?\u201d I was just <em>terrified<\/em>, because it wasn\u2019t really what\u2014I mean, I loved music and I played kind of a little bit in a local band before I went\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, we skipped over the whole Temple Rising phase.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Oh, man!\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; in fact, you have your guitar with you; don\u2019t you?\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>I do actually.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Can we bring Jeremy\u2019s guitar up here?\u00a0 [Applause]\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Temple Rising.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes!\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>I can\u2019t believe you\u2019re making me do this; this is so embarrassing. So, when I was probably\u2014I was 16\u2014me and my local friends, who also were serving the Lord, said \u201cHey, let\u2019s start a band\u201d; \u201cWhy not?\u201d I started playing when I was 14. It wasn\u2019t the main thing, because football was still my main thing. I told my dad, \u201cTeach me a few cords\u201d; so he taught me a few cords.\n\nMy first song I wrote with this band\u2014that we called Temple Rising; we had multiple names, by the way\u2014that was just one of them. [Laughter] I can\u2019t believe you brought that up. That\u2019s hilarious that you remember that. [Laughter]\n\nI wrote a song\u2014see, now, I don\u2019t know if you guys know. There\u2019s an old band, and their name is Poison; okay?\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes!\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>So there is a song called <em>Every Rose Has Its Thorn<\/em>. Do you remember that?\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, sure.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>I decided to write my first song and didn\u2019t realize, [until] later, that it pretty much had the same exact melody.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014just ripping them off completely.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Yes, exactly!\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 Let\u2019s see if I can remember this; do you remember any of it?\u00a0 I\u2019ll sing a part of it.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; play it a little.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>This is so embarrassing. If I can remember this\u2014it\u2019s been a while since I\u2019ve played it. Okay; alright. [Laughter]\u00a0 I\u2019m sorry\u2014all of this lull time.\n\nI was looking in the mirror, and I saw a figure there\n\nwhose life was all bent out of shape and in total despair.\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\nI took my stepping ways from You. I really don\u2019t know what to do. You\u2019ve got to set me free. Lord, You\u2019ve got to set me free.\n\nYes, there it is!\n\nYou\u2019ve got to set me free. Lord, You\u2019ve got to set me free\u2014free from sin.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes!\u00a0 [Applause]\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>You see what I\u2019m saying?\u00a0 How embarrassing; I just played for you the first song I ever wrote right there. That\u2019s the first one I ever wrote.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re listening to a conversation with Jeremy Camp that was recorded about four years ago. I got to that point, and I was thinking of you; because you used to write bad songs like that, too; right?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, my songs are <em>bad<\/em>. [Laughter] Jeremy Camp\u2019s songs are <em>good<\/em>\u2014even that one was pretty cute.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He\u2019s got a <em>great<\/em> voice, too; doesn\u2019t he?\n\n<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Oh, boy.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And just a delightful guy. We were talking with him about his life story. He had written a book called <em>I Still Believe<\/em>, and now that is being made into a movie that is coming out this weekend. We continued the conversation, and he said, really, a turning point in his life was when his parents made a sacrifice to give him a gift that was a life-changing gift.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Jeremy:<\/strong> My dad had a guitar, but I didn\u2019t have one when I went to Bible college. Every time I\u2019d lead worship, I\u2019d ask my friends if I could borrow a guitar: \u201cHey, can I borrow your guitar?\u201d\u00a0 I had someone ask me to play on a Sunday morning in church when I was in Southern California at that time, so I borrowed a guitar.\n\nOne Christmas, I went home. I woke up in the morning\u2014and I wasn\u2019t even thinking about this at all\u2014and I saw this <em>massive<\/em> box. They are like: \u201cMerry Christmas!\u201d\u00a0 \u201cOkay.\u201d I start opening it up. Now, my <em>dream <\/em>guitar\u2014not just a guitar\u2014my dream guitar was a Taylor guitar. I remember that I opened this thing up, and it was a <em>Taylor guitar<\/em>. I was blown away. And they just told me\u2014they said: \u201cWe see what God is doing with you,\u201d\u2014I\u2019m getting the chills\u2014\"We see what God is doing with you, and He\u2019s using you in music. We want to be a part of that and support you.\u201d\n\n\u201cWe took out a loan,\u201d\u2014I said\/I asked them how they: \u201cHow did you guys do this?\u201d \u201cWe took out a loan,\u201d\u2014they had to take out a loan in order for me to get this guitar.\n\nYou know, one thing that I remember very, very clearly\u2014and I do it with my children as well\u2014is my mom and dad are always saying, \u201cWe\u2019re proud of you,\u201d and \u201cWe believe in what God is doing with you,\u201d and \u201cGod has plans for you\u2014special plans for you. Don\u2019t sell yourself short. Continue to serve Him, and continue to give Him everything.\u201d\n\nIt was that <em>constant<\/em> encouragement that God had greater things in store. With my kids, even, for instance, even with music, we say, \u201cDo you guys <em>want<\/em> to do this?\u201d They wanted to do it; so then we give them the opportunity, saying, \u201cWe believe in what you\u2019re going to do.\u201d\n\nI think you can\u2019t say, \u201cI\u2019m going to give you the best.\u201d Even with sports\u2014a lot of people want their kids to play sports\u2014\u201cI\u2019m going to give you the best of everything,\u201d and automatically you think that that\u2019s going to take them to the next level or put them in the best classes. It has to be something, where you encourage them, and you believe in them, and you pray for them, and you continue to guide them and show them that the only way you can do this is doing it unto the Lord. My parents always said, \u201cDo what you do as unto the Lord.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You were in a Bible college in Southern California\u2014got involved with the Harvest Crusades\u2014\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014up there.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In fact, it was through the Harvest Crusades that you got connected with Kry and started working with them\u2014working the merch tables for them.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Absolutely.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And wasn\u2019t one of those guys, who said, \u201cCome on up on stage and do a song\u201d?\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Yes, absolutely, Jean-Luc\u2014he believed in me. I mean, he really just said: \u201cListen, I see the gifting. I see your heart. Hey, why don\u2019t you come on stage, and why don\u2019t you play a couple songs with us?\u201d\u00a0 I learned a couple of songs; I\u2019d be on stage.\n\nOne time, I remember him saying, \u201cHey, why don\u2019t you just come out and play a song before we come on?\u201d\u00a0 He just kind of poured\u2014he mentored me. I tell you what\u2014I realize he taught me what it meant to have a Paul and a Timothy. You know what that means?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>So, having a Paul and a Timothy\u2014you have a Paul in your life, who you look up to, and you say, \u201cI need a mentor,\u201d\u2014someone needs a mentor in your life. You have to have somebody that <em>you <\/em>mentor and that you pour into. And for me, he was my Paul, and I was his Timothy. He poured into me and taught me so much about the importance of that. He was a big reason, you guys, why I think I\u2019m here today. It was God using him, but I\u2019m so grateful to him.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Go back\u2014kind of take us back\u2014recreate the moment for us; can you?\u2014if you\u2019re up there for the first time in front of a crowd.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Oh, man! I remember being so nervous and sweaty. My palms were sweating. [Laughter] Yes, it was the first time; and I remember I was shaking so terribly and sweating all over that guitar; but I remember, all of a sudden, at the very end of it, I felt the joy of the Lord. I felt like His pleasure, just saying, \u201cThis is what I\u2019ve called you to do.\u201d\n\nSo, first, the terrifying: \u201cWhat am I doing?!\u201d and people looking at me and \u201cI don\u2019t want to mess this song up.\u201d I got done and I went, \u201cWow, Lord; I felt Your joy and Your pleasure.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, play a little of <em>Get Away<\/em>; can you?\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Oh, man! I don\u2019t know if I can. [Strumming] [Laughter] It\u2019s been so long; I mean, this has been how many years? [Laughter]\u00a0 Oh, man!\u2014got to get away\u2014it was\u2014hold on! Man, you put me on the spot, here, trying to remember this.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I know. I just keep thinking of Lenny Kravitz, [singing] \u201cI want to get away.\u201d\u00a0 But it\u2019s not that. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Oh, yes, it is. That\u2019s about right; isn\u2019t it? It\u2019s almost right. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s got a feel.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>\u201cGet away. Get away. Get away. I want to get away,\u201d\u2014something like that; that\u2019s what it was\u2014something like that: \u201cGet away. Get away. Get away. I want to get away.\u201d\u00a0 There you go. [Laughter]\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That, again, is Jeremy Camp from an interview that we did four years ago with him. In the movie, <em>I Still Believe<\/em>, his relationship with Jean-Luc, the guy from the Kry, is central to the story.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s really good.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> They went on to be, really, lifelong friends, but he had a profound mark on his life.\n\nOf course, we said the movie is a love story. While his family and his background factors into it, the movie really takes off when Jeremy meets, at Bible college, the woman, who he will eventually marry, Melissa.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You and a buddy\u2014while you were living in Southern California, you had this friend; and he had this girl that he liked. You started hanging around with your friend and his girlfriend.\n\n<strong>Jeremy:<\/strong> \u2014his friend that was a girl.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Not his girlfriend.\n\n<strong>Jeremy:<\/strong> Let me clarify that. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Explain this whole dynamic of what was going on.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>I remember my friend goes: \u201cHey, you\u2019ve got to meet this girl; her name\u2019s Melissa. She loves Jesus; she goes to my Bible study. I\u2019d love for you to meet her. Can you lead worship at my Bible study?\u201d \u201cYes, absolutely.\u201d I remember I got there and I met Melissa. I was like, \u201cShe\u2019s a beautiful girl,\u201d\u2014didn\u2019t really think much of it at first.\n\nI start leading worship. I remember very clearly\u2014it was the first time meeting her\u2014I\u2019m singing worship, and my eyes are closed. I look up; I remember her\u2014I mean, this is right in the middle of the schoolyard, and people are walking by\u2014she is on her knees and raising both her hands up, worshipping the Lord. I had never seen someone, especially out in public, just singing her heart out and raising up her hands. It shocked me for a second.\n\nI remember we got done with worship, and I was kind of intrigued. I\u2019m like, \u201cWhoa; this girl loves Jesus.\u201d She was 20 years old. I could tell that she didn\u2019t care about anybody else around her; she was literally in the presence of God. Afterwards, I was like, \u201cHey, nice to meet you.\u201d\n\nMy friend is like, \u201cShe\u2019s great.\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cYes, totally great.\u201d [Laughter] I found out that she didn\u2019t actually like him\u2014that he liked her. I was like, \u201cOh, man, I don\u2019t want to\u2026\u201d\u2014we just naturally, every time we\u2019d hang out, you could tell something was there\u2014I remember I called her; I said, \u201cListen. I don\u2019t want to be weird here, but do you like Jason?\u201d She was like, \u201cNo, he\u2019s a good friend, but not in that way.\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cWe have something; right?\u201d [Laughter] I\u2019m weird; I just went for it\u2014like: \u201cYou\u2019re amazing.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wait, wait, wait; when you said, \u201cWe have something; right?\u201d\u2014did she say, \u201cRight\u201d?\n\n<strong>Jeremy:<\/strong> Yes; she said, \u201cYes.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Okay; alright.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>I very quickly fell in love with this girl\u2014I mean, very quickly. I remember going, \u201cI have to tell her that I love her.\u201d This is a little down the road\u2014I walk up to her\u2014it had been two weeks; that\u2019s the perfect time, you know. [Laughter] It\u2019s a lot of time, you know. I remember I went up to her, sweaty palms and all\u2014I always have sweaty palms; I\u2019m weird that way\u2014sweaty palms and all, I say, \u201cMelissa, I know I\u2019m saying this early, but I feel so strongly\u2014I love you.\u201d She goes, \u201cHmmm. I can\u2019t say that right now.\u201d I was devastated to say the least.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When she says, \u201cI can\u2019t say that right now,\u201d what does that do to your relationship with her?\n\n<strong>Jeremy:<\/strong> Honestly, I was a little taken aback; I go, \u201cOkay.\u201d It was a little rocky for awhile. I remember our friends; because my friend was saying, \u201cI can\u2019t believe you took her from our friend.\u201d I was going: \u201cI didn\u2019t. That\u2019s not really what happened. Trust me.\u201d I remember we ended up breaking up. I was devastated; I was broken up\u2014I knew she was the one.\n\nI got a phone call\u2014this was probably about a month later: \u201cThey found something in Melissa\u2019s stomach. You might want to check it out; they don\u2019t know if it is cancer.\u201d It ended up not being cancer. We were like, \u201cOkay; cool.\u201d I went to see her: \u201cAre you okay?\u201d At that point, we were broken up. I\u2019d started getting over it. I\u2019d started writing songs; I started recording my first demo\/real legit demo\u2014and pushed it [relationship] aside\u2014it had probably been five months. I saw her a couple times, but I was moving on.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You were over her.\n\n<strong>Jeremy:<\/strong> Oh, yes; I was over\u2014I was moving on. That was tough; because it was a tough time, but I felt like my heart was healing. Then I got a phone call again. My friend said, \u201cHey, Melissa\u2019s in the hospital again, and they found out this time that it is cancer.\u201d Of course, automatically, my heart is breaking for her.\n\nI go down, and I walk into the hospital room. I looked at her; and you guys, it was unbelievable. I looked at her, and she was <em>smiling<\/em>\u2014I mean, this <em>joy<\/em> on her face. I remember thinking, \u201cWhy is she so happy?\u201d \u201cHow are you doing?\u201d She looked at me and goes: \u201cYou know, I\u2019m doing okay.\u201d She was like, \u201cI realize\u2014and God just kind of showed me: if I die from this cancer\u2014but if one person gives their life to Jesus\u2014it\u2019s <em>worth<\/em> it.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow!\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>I\u2019ll never forget that statement. It\u2019s something that I\u2019ll still, to this day, always remember; because she realized that her life\u2014or her death, whatever it may be\u2014that if one person\u2014because she was going to heaven, so she was okay. She goes, \u201cI just want my life to make a difference; and if one person gives their life to Jesus, then it\u2019s worth it.\u201d That transformed my heart\u2014to this day, still transforms my heart; because it\u2019s something I have to ask myself.\n\nI walked out of there and I said, \u201cAlright, Lord, if she tells me she loves me, then I\u2019ll marry her.\u201d I remember saying that, going, \u201cWhat was that all about?\u201d Because, remember, I\u2019d already told her I loved her\u2014remember.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>She called me about a week later, and I remember my parents were in town. She said, \u201cHey, can I talk to you?\u201d She was at home, and she just went through her first round of chemotherapy. I told my parents, \u201cShe\u2019s going to tell me she loves me.\u201d It was the craziest thing; but I still was going, \u201cNo.\u201d But the comment\u2014I said that.\n\nI walked in, and she was laying down. She goes: \u201cI just really wanted you to be here to tell you. I\u2019ve been praying for you for a long time,\u201d\u2014even though we were kind of broken up\u2014she goes, \u201cI didn\u2019t realize why you were on my heart and I was praying for you.\u201d She goes, \u201cBut I realize now,\u201d She goes, \u201cIt wasn\u2019t time before because God had to prepare my heart and ready my heart for this cancer I was about to go through.\u201d She goes, \u201cBut I want you to know that I love you.\u201d\n\nThere I was, and I didn\u2019t know what to say. I did tell her this; which was\u2014I go, \u201cI can\u2019t say anything.\u201d It wasn\u2019t because of what she had said, prior. It was more the reality of what I said to the Lord, too. It was a challenge to me, saying, \u201cAre you really going to follow through with this?\u201d Because when she said, \u201cI love you,\u201d I went, \u201cI need a few days.\u201d She goes, \u201cYou don\u2019t ever have to even tell me,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s what she said\u2014\u201cI don\u2019t want anything from that. I just want to tell you that, because I do.\u201d\n\nI went away. I literally just prayed and fasted. I came back, and I remember seeing her. She was having a hard day, and she was starting to lose her hair from the chemo. She wasn\u2019t saying much, though; she wasn\u2019t opening up a lot. I go, \u201cListen, Melissa, if we\u2019re going to get married, you have to tell me what\u2019s going on\u2014share your feelings.\u201d [Laughter] We looked at each other, and we both started crying. I was like, \u201cYes, we should get married.\u201d She was like, \u201cAbsolutely.\u201d\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, again, we\u2019ve been listening to excerpts from an interview that we did about four years ago with Jeremy Camp, whose story is being told in a movie called <em>I Still Believe<\/em> that releases in theaters on Friday. We\u2019re excited about the movie. We\u2019re excited about the movie, because it\u2019s a great film; but the power of this movie is in what it says about love and about marriage and about where Jesus fits into that. You talk about a couple who understood what \u201cvertical\u201d means in marriage\u2014they understood it; didn\u2019t they?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, I would say that scene in the movie that we just heard Jeremy talk about is <em>so touching<\/em>. If you don\u2019t know the story, you don\u2019t see this coming, because it\u2019s so sacrificial; it\u2019s so selfless\u2014that it\u2019s such a beautiful picture of the love of God.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It also is a great reminder that God hears our prayers. They may not always go the way we want; but He hears, and He answers us, and He encourages us when we\u2019re most in need. It\u2019s a beautiful picture of that as well.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> As I said, there\u2019s a trailer on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com if you want a preview of the movie that\u2019s going to be in theaters this weekend. Go to our website; you can watch it there. We also have the book that Jeremy has written called <em>I Still Believe<\/em>, his story about his marriage to Melissa and how God brought beauty from the ashes of that relationship.\n\nGo to FamilyLifeToday.com to order the book, <em>I Still Believe<\/em>, or to watch the trailer for the movie that\u2019s going to be in theaters this weekend. Again, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com. You can also order the book by calling 1-800-FL-TODAY\u20141-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\nAs we hear Jeremy\u2019s story this week, we are reminded that we have hope in this life because of what Christ has done for us\u2014because of the resurrection of Christ\u2014because of Easter. Easter is about four weeks away at this point. Those of you who are parents or grandparents, if you are looking for a way to help your children or grandchildren better understand the Easter story, FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> has a tool we\u2019ve used for years to help introduce children to the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. It\u2019s a tool called Resurrection Eggs<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014a dozen plastic eggs with symbols inside that starts with a donkey and takes you all the way to an empty tomb. The story of Jesus\u2019s final week on Earth is told through these 12 resurrection eggs.\n\nWe\u2019d love to send you a set of these eggs. In fact, we\u2019re sending them out this week as a way of saying, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who believe in the vision of FamilyLife and want to see this daily program continue on your local station; you want to see us continue to reach more people, more regularly, with practical biblical help and hope\u2014encouragement for your marriage and your family.\n\nWhen you call to make a donation today or go online to donate, you can request a set of Resurrection Eggs. They\u2019re our gift to you when you support this ministry. Again, donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate by phone. Ask for your set of Resurrection Eggs when you get in touch with us.\n\nNow, tomorrow, Jeremy Camp takes us to the story of his marriage to his college sweetheart, Melissa, and about the unexpected journey that God had for them. We\u2019ll hear that tomorrow. I hope you can be with us for that.\n\nI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\nSong:\u00a0 <em>Set Me Free<\/em>\n\nArtist:\u00a0 Jeremy Camp [Performed Live on Program]\n\nAlbum: [First song written by Jeremy Camp]\n\n\u00a9Song:\u00a0<em>Get Away<\/em>\n\nArtist:\u00a0 Jeremy Camp [Performed Live on Program]\n\nAlbum: <em>Let Me Say <\/em>(p) 2000 by The Kry on Freedom Records\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\nWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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I was just playing music soft and quiet and singing songs. The worship leader came up to me from the school and said, \u201cCan you lead one morning for our worship devotions?\u201d I was just <em>terrified<\/em>. I remember I was shaking so terribly and sweating all over that guitar. But I remember, all of a sudden, at the end of it, I felt the joy of the Lord. I felt His pleasure, just saying, \u201cThis is what I\u2019ve called you to do.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, March 10<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I\u2019m Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019ll hear from Jeremy Camp today about how he has been very aware of God\u2019s hand guiding every aspect of his life. Stay with us.\n\nAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition. Who does not love a great love story; right?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Everybody loves a great love story.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s one of my favorite things to do.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> To what?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Go to a movie that\u2019s a love story.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014a love story?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You always hear of chick flicks? I think they\u2019re <em>great<\/em>. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Your heart\u2019s getting softer over the years.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re going to hear a <em>great<\/em> love story this week. The reason we\u2019re hearing it this week is because there\u2019s a great love story coming to theaters this weekend. It\u2019s a movie called <em>I Still Believe<\/em>. It\u2019s based on a true story.\n\nAbout four years ago, I sat down with singer\/songwriter Jeremy Camp and got to ask him questions about his life and about his marriage to his wife, Melissa, which is what this movie coming out on Friday is all about. As our listeners are going to hear this week, this is a profound and powerful story. We\u2019ve had a chance to see the film, which is coming out this weekend; and it\u2019s a great movie too.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s so great.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; this is from the guys who made the movie, <em>I Can Only Imagine<\/em>. They have now made this new movie called <em>I Still Believe<\/em>. There\u2019s a trailer on our website on FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\nWe\u2019re going to dive in. This was an interview in front of a live audience, so you will hear the audience interacting. I started off by asking Jeremy to tell us about the family he grew up in and to tell us about his dad, who had a <em>profound<\/em> impact on his life.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Jeremy:<\/strong> Yes; he grew up\u2014they used to call him \u201cBear.\u201d He had really long hair and a <em>huge<\/em> beard. He was definitely a hippie. He was a drug dealer\/alcoholic. Then, one night, literally, the Lord just got his heart. He went to church; he had been drinking. In church that night, the pastor was talking about: \u201cIf you want to be delivered from drugs and alcohol\u2026\u201d and started just sharing. He [Bear] and his friend jumped over the pews to get to the front.\n\nHe [pastor] said, \u201cIf you want to give your life to Christ\/if you want to submit your heart\u201d\u2014they jumped over the pews, climbed over people, got to the front of the altar. Literally, he said that, when he said the prayer and said, \u201cGod, come into my life and change me,\u201d\u2014he said he sobered up instantly\u2014like sobered up, where he had not been drunk anymore. It\u2019s that power of God in his life, saying, \u201cGod, deliver me from this\u201d; and He did, instantaneously.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And the preacher told him, \u201cIf you really want to experience God, you\u2019ve got to start living right. That means get married,\u201d\u2014right?\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Yes, exactly. And he said, \u201cYou have to get married\u201d; so they immediately ended up getting married.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>He and your mom had been living together\u2014had\u2014your sister was already in the family.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Absolutely.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You hadn\u2019t been born yet.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Right.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But that was a turning point in your dad\u2019s life\/in your mom\u2019s life\u2014in your whole family\u2019s trajectory.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Absolutely. At first, my mom was like, \u201cOh, I\u2019m glad Tom changed his life.\u201d It took her a little bit to realize: \u201cOh, wait! I\u2019m a sinner too. I need Jesus,\u201d\u2014but it was a funny kind of: \u201cOh, I\u2019m glad my boyfriend is finally getting his life straight.\u201d\u00a0 Then, she realized she was a sinner and she needed Jesus. From that point on\u2014just submitted their hearts to the Lord.\n\nI believe that young\u2014I grew up knowing the Lord, in a sense\u2014but I don\u2019t think I really had that moment where I surrendered my heart until I was 16 years old. I was at a youth camp. Literally, my life was changed. I remember the pastor was talking about Revelation, and it scared me to death. I remember just going, \u201cAlright, Lord, whatever You want.\u201d\n\nI remember getting to a point, where God really spoke to my heart and said: \u201cYou\u2019re walking on the edge of a cliff. You\u2019re about ready to fall off, and you need to run as far away as possible. I want to use you, but get away from that edge that you\u2019re walking on.\u201d\u00a0 I remember, at that point on, I said, \u201cGod, I submit my heart to You.\u201d I mean, because it is one thing to say, \u201cI believe in God\u201d; another thing to say, \u201cI make you Lord of my life\u201d; you know?\u2014it\u2019s two different things. I made Him Lord of my life.\n\nAt that point on, when I went back, God said, \u201cDon\u2019t go to the school that you went to; go to a private school, and just get away from the environment for a while.\u201d From that point on, God definitely started directing me toward music; I started writing songs. I ended up going to a Bible college. I knew I wanted to study God\u2019s Word. I think having that foundation in God\u2019s Word\u2014it\u2019s so key; it\u2019s living and it\u2019s active.\n\nI was sitting there in the cafeteria. I was just kind of playing music soft and quiet and singing songs. The worship leader came up to me from the school and said, \u201cCan you lead one morning for our worship devotions?\u201d I was just <em>terrified<\/em>, because it wasn\u2019t really what\u2014I mean, I loved music and I played kind of a little bit in a local band before I went\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, we skipped over the whole Temple Rising phase.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Oh, man!\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; in fact, you have your guitar with you; don\u2019t you?\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>I do actually.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Can we bring Jeremy\u2019s guitar up here?\u00a0 [Applause]\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Temple Rising.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes!\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>I can\u2019t believe you\u2019re making me do this; this is so embarrassing. So, when I was probably\u2014I was 16\u2014me and my local friends, who also were serving the Lord, said \u201cHey, let\u2019s start a band\u201d; \u201cWhy not?\u201d I started playing when I was 14. It wasn\u2019t the main thing, because football was still my main thing. I told my dad, \u201cTeach me a few cords\u201d; so he taught me a few cords.\n\nMy first song I wrote with this band\u2014that we called Temple Rising; we had multiple names, by the way\u2014that was just one of them. [Laughter] I can\u2019t believe you brought that up. That\u2019s hilarious that you remember that. [Laughter]\n\nI wrote a song\u2014see, now, I don\u2019t know if you guys know. There\u2019s an old band, and their name is Poison; okay?\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes!\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>So there is a song called <em>Every Rose Has Its Thorn<\/em>. Do you remember that?\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, sure.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>I decided to write my first song and didn\u2019t realize, [until] later, that it pretty much had the same exact melody.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014just ripping them off completely.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Yes, exactly!\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 Let\u2019s see if I can remember this; do you remember any of it?\u00a0 I\u2019ll sing a part of it.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; play it a little.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>This is so embarrassing. If I can remember this\u2014it\u2019s been a while since I\u2019ve played it. Okay; alright. [Laughter]\u00a0 I\u2019m sorry\u2014all of this lull time.\n\nI was looking in the mirror, and I saw a figure there\n\nwhose life was all bent out of shape and in total despair.\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\nI took my stepping ways from You. I really don\u2019t know what to do. You\u2019ve got to set me free. Lord, You\u2019ve got to set me free.\n\nYes, there it is!\n\nYou\u2019ve got to set me free. Lord, You\u2019ve got to set me free\u2014free from sin.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes!\u00a0 [Applause]\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>You see what I\u2019m saying?\u00a0 How embarrassing; I just played for you the first song I ever wrote right there. That\u2019s the first one I ever wrote.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re listening to a conversation with Jeremy Camp that was recorded about four years ago. I got to that point, and I was thinking of you; because you used to write bad songs like that, too; right?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, my songs are <em>bad<\/em>. [Laughter] Jeremy Camp\u2019s songs are <em>good<\/em>\u2014even that one was pretty cute.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He\u2019s got a <em>great<\/em> voice, too; doesn\u2019t he?\n\n<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Oh, boy.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And just a delightful guy. We were talking with him about his life story. He had written a book called <em>I Still Believe<\/em>, and now that is being made into a movie that is coming out this weekend. We continued the conversation, and he said, really, a turning point in his life was when his parents made a sacrifice to give him a gift that was a life-changing gift.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Jeremy:<\/strong> My dad had a guitar, but I didn\u2019t have one when I went to Bible college. Every time I\u2019d lead worship, I\u2019d ask my friends if I could borrow a guitar: \u201cHey, can I borrow your guitar?\u201d\u00a0 I had someone ask me to play on a Sunday morning in church when I was in Southern California at that time, so I borrowed a guitar.\n\nOne Christmas, I went home. I woke up in the morning\u2014and I wasn\u2019t even thinking about this at all\u2014and I saw this <em>massive<\/em> box. They are like: \u201cMerry Christmas!\u201d\u00a0 \u201cOkay.\u201d I start opening it up. Now, my <em>dream <\/em>guitar\u2014not just a guitar\u2014my dream guitar was a Taylor guitar. I remember that I opened this thing up, and it was a <em>Taylor guitar<\/em>. I was blown away. And they just told me\u2014they said: \u201cWe see what God is doing with you,\u201d\u2014I\u2019m getting the chills\u2014\"We see what God is doing with you, and He\u2019s using you in music. We want to be a part of that and support you.\u201d\n\n\u201cWe took out a loan,\u201d\u2014I said\/I asked them how they: \u201cHow did you guys do this?\u201d \u201cWe took out a loan,\u201d\u2014they had to take out a loan in order for me to get this guitar.\n\nYou know, one thing that I remember very, very clearly\u2014and I do it with my children as well\u2014is my mom and dad are always saying, \u201cWe\u2019re proud of you,\u201d and \u201cWe believe in what God is doing with you,\u201d and \u201cGod has plans for you\u2014special plans for you. Don\u2019t sell yourself short. Continue to serve Him, and continue to give Him everything.\u201d\n\nIt was that <em>constant<\/em> encouragement that God had greater things in store. With my kids, even, for instance, even with music, we say, \u201cDo you guys <em>want<\/em> to do this?\u201d They wanted to do it; so then we give them the opportunity, saying, \u201cWe believe in what you\u2019re going to do.\u201d\n\nI think you can\u2019t say, \u201cI\u2019m going to give you the best.\u201d Even with sports\u2014a lot of people want their kids to play sports\u2014\u201cI\u2019m going to give you the best of everything,\u201d and automatically you think that that\u2019s going to take them to the next level or put them in the best classes. It has to be something, where you encourage them, and you believe in them, and you pray for them, and you continue to guide them and show them that the only way you can do this is doing it unto the Lord. My parents always said, \u201cDo what you do as unto the Lord.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You were in a Bible college in Southern California\u2014got involved with the Harvest Crusades\u2014\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014up there.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In fact, it was through the Harvest Crusades that you got connected with Kry and started working with them\u2014working the merch tables for them.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Absolutely.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And wasn\u2019t one of those guys, who said, \u201cCome on up on stage and do a song\u201d?\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Yes, absolutely, Jean-Luc\u2014he believed in me. I mean, he really just said: \u201cListen, I see the gifting. I see your heart. Hey, why don\u2019t you come on stage, and why don\u2019t you play a couple songs with us?\u201d\u00a0 I learned a couple of songs; I\u2019d be on stage.\n\nOne time, I remember him saying, \u201cHey, why don\u2019t you just come out and play a song before we come on?\u201d\u00a0 He just kind of poured\u2014he mentored me. I tell you what\u2014I realize he taught me what it meant to have a Paul and a Timothy. You know what that means?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>So, having a Paul and a Timothy\u2014you have a Paul in your life, who you look up to, and you say, \u201cI need a mentor,\u201d\u2014someone needs a mentor in your life. You have to have somebody that <em>you <\/em>mentor and that you pour into. And for me, he was my Paul, and I was his Timothy. He poured into me and taught me so much about the importance of that. He was a big reason, you guys, why I think I\u2019m here today. It was God using him, but I\u2019m so grateful to him.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Go back\u2014kind of take us back\u2014recreate the moment for us; can you?\u2014if you\u2019re up there for the first time in front of a crowd.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Oh, man! I remember being so nervous and sweaty. My palms were sweating. [Laughter] Yes, it was the first time; and I remember I was shaking so terribly and sweating all over that guitar; but I remember, all of a sudden, at the very end of it, I felt the joy of the Lord. I felt like His pleasure, just saying, \u201cThis is what I\u2019ve called you to do.\u201d\n\nSo, first, the terrifying: \u201cWhat am I doing?!\u201d and people looking at me and \u201cI don\u2019t want to mess this song up.\u201d I got done and I went, \u201cWow, Lord; I felt Your joy and Your pleasure.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, play a little of <em>Get Away<\/em>; can you?\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Oh, man! I don\u2019t know if I can. [Strumming] [Laughter] It\u2019s been so long; I mean, this has been how many years? [Laughter]\u00a0 Oh, man!\u2014got to get away\u2014it was\u2014hold on! Man, you put me on the spot, here, trying to remember this.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I know. I just keep thinking of Lenny Kravitz, [singing] \u201cI want to get away.\u201d\u00a0 But it\u2019s not that. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>Oh, yes, it is. That\u2019s about right; isn\u2019t it? It\u2019s almost right. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s got a feel.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>\u201cGet away. Get away. Get away. I want to get away,\u201d\u2014something like that; that\u2019s what it was\u2014something like that: \u201cGet away. Get away. Get away. I want to get away.\u201d\u00a0 There you go. [Laughter]\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That, again, is Jeremy Camp from an interview that we did four years ago with him. In the movie, <em>I Still Believe<\/em>, his relationship with Jean-Luc, the guy from the Kry, is central to the story.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s really good.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> They went on to be, really, lifelong friends, but he had a profound mark on his life.\n\nOf course, we said the movie is a love story. While his family and his background factors into it, the movie really takes off when Jeremy meets, at Bible college, the woman, who he will eventually marry, Melissa.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You and a buddy\u2014while you were living in Southern California, you had this friend; and he had this girl that he liked. You started hanging around with your friend and his girlfriend.\n\n<strong>Jeremy:<\/strong> \u2014his friend that was a girl.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Not his girlfriend.\n\n<strong>Jeremy:<\/strong> Let me clarify that. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Explain this whole dynamic of what was going on.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>I remember my friend goes: \u201cHey, you\u2019ve got to meet this girl; her name\u2019s Melissa. She loves Jesus; she goes to my Bible study. I\u2019d love for you to meet her. Can you lead worship at my Bible study?\u201d \u201cYes, absolutely.\u201d I remember I got there and I met Melissa. I was like, \u201cShe\u2019s a beautiful girl,\u201d\u2014didn\u2019t really think much of it at first.\n\nI start leading worship. I remember very clearly\u2014it was the first time meeting her\u2014I\u2019m singing worship, and my eyes are closed. I look up; I remember her\u2014I mean, this is right in the middle of the schoolyard, and people are walking by\u2014she is on her knees and raising both her hands up, worshipping the Lord. I had never seen someone, especially out in public, just singing her heart out and raising up her hands. It shocked me for a second.\n\nI remember we got done with worship, and I was kind of intrigued. I\u2019m like, \u201cWhoa; this girl loves Jesus.\u201d She was 20 years old. I could tell that she didn\u2019t care about anybody else around her; she was literally in the presence of God. Afterwards, I was like, \u201cHey, nice to meet you.\u201d\n\nMy friend is like, \u201cShe\u2019s great.\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cYes, totally great.\u201d [Laughter] I found out that she didn\u2019t actually like him\u2014that he liked her. I was like, \u201cOh, man, I don\u2019t want to\u2026\u201d\u2014we just naturally, every time we\u2019d hang out, you could tell something was there\u2014I remember I called her; I said, \u201cListen. I don\u2019t want to be weird here, but do you like Jason?\u201d She was like, \u201cNo, he\u2019s a good friend, but not in that way.\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cWe have something; right?\u201d [Laughter] I\u2019m weird; I just went for it\u2014like: \u201cYou\u2019re amazing.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wait, wait, wait; when you said, \u201cWe have something; right?\u201d\u2014did she say, \u201cRight\u201d?\n\n<strong>Jeremy:<\/strong> Yes; she said, \u201cYes.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Okay; alright.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>I very quickly fell in love with this girl\u2014I mean, very quickly. I remember going, \u201cI have to tell her that I love her.\u201d This is a little down the road\u2014I walk up to her\u2014it had been two weeks; that\u2019s the perfect time, you know. [Laughter] It\u2019s a lot of time, you know. I remember I went up to her, sweaty palms and all\u2014I always have sweaty palms; I\u2019m weird that way\u2014sweaty palms and all, I say, \u201cMelissa, I know I\u2019m saying this early, but I feel so strongly\u2014I love you.\u201d She goes, \u201cHmmm. I can\u2019t say that right now.\u201d I was devastated to say the least.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When she says, \u201cI can\u2019t say that right now,\u201d what does that do to your relationship with her?\n\n<strong>Jeremy:<\/strong> Honestly, I was a little taken aback; I go, \u201cOkay.\u201d It was a little rocky for awhile. I remember our friends; because my friend was saying, \u201cI can\u2019t believe you took her from our friend.\u201d I was going: \u201cI didn\u2019t. That\u2019s not really what happened. Trust me.\u201d I remember we ended up breaking up. I was devastated; I was broken up\u2014I knew she was the one.\n\nI got a phone call\u2014this was probably about a month later: \u201cThey found something in Melissa\u2019s stomach. You might want to check it out; they don\u2019t know if it is cancer.\u201d It ended up not being cancer. We were like, \u201cOkay; cool.\u201d I went to see her: \u201cAre you okay?\u201d At that point, we were broken up. I\u2019d started getting over it. I\u2019d started writing songs; I started recording my first demo\/real legit demo\u2014and pushed it [relationship] aside\u2014it had probably been five months. I saw her a couple times, but I was moving on.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You were over her.\n\n<strong>Jeremy:<\/strong> Oh, yes; I was over\u2014I was moving on. That was tough; because it was a tough time, but I felt like my heart was healing. Then I got a phone call again. My friend said, \u201cHey, Melissa\u2019s in the hospital again, and they found out this time that it is cancer.\u201d Of course, automatically, my heart is breaking for her.\n\nI go down, and I walk into the hospital room. I looked at her; and you guys, it was unbelievable. I looked at her, and she was <em>smiling<\/em>\u2014I mean, this <em>joy<\/em> on her face. I remember thinking, \u201cWhy is she so happy?\u201d \u201cHow are you doing?\u201d She looked at me and goes: \u201cYou know, I\u2019m doing okay.\u201d She was like, \u201cI realize\u2014and God just kind of showed me: if I die from this cancer\u2014but if one person gives their life to Jesus\u2014it\u2019s <em>worth<\/em> it.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow!\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>I\u2019ll never forget that statement. It\u2019s something that I\u2019ll still, to this day, always remember; because she realized that her life\u2014or her death, whatever it may be\u2014that if one person\u2014because she was going to heaven, so she was okay. She goes, \u201cI just want my life to make a difference; and if one person gives their life to Jesus, then it\u2019s worth it.\u201d That transformed my heart\u2014to this day, still transforms my heart; because it\u2019s something I have to ask myself.\n\nI walked out of there and I said, \u201cAlright, Lord, if she tells me she loves me, then I\u2019ll marry her.\u201d I remember saying that, going, \u201cWhat was that all about?\u201d Because, remember, I\u2019d already told her I loved her\u2014remember.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\n<strong>Jeremy: <\/strong>She called me about a week later, and I remember my parents were in town. She said, \u201cHey, can I talk to you?\u201d She was at home, and she just went through her first round of chemotherapy. I told my parents, \u201cShe\u2019s going to tell me she loves me.\u201d It was the craziest thing; but I still was going, \u201cNo.\u201d But the comment\u2014I said that.\n\nI walked in, and she was laying down. She goes: \u201cI just really wanted you to be here to tell you. I\u2019ve been praying for you for a long time,\u201d\u2014even though we were kind of broken up\u2014she goes, \u201cI didn\u2019t realize why you were on my heart and I was praying for you.\u201d She goes, \u201cBut I realize now,\u201d She goes, \u201cIt wasn\u2019t time before because God had to prepare my heart and ready my heart for this cancer I was about to go through.\u201d She goes, \u201cBut I want you to know that I love you.\u201d\n\nThere I was, and I didn\u2019t know what to say. I did tell her this; which was\u2014I go, \u201cI can\u2019t say anything.\u201d It wasn\u2019t because of what she had said, prior. It was more the reality of what I said to the Lord, too. It was a challenge to me, saying, \u201cAre you really going to follow through with this?\u201d Because when she said, \u201cI love you,\u201d I went, \u201cI need a few days.\u201d She goes, \u201cYou don\u2019t ever have to even tell me,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s what she said\u2014\u201cI don\u2019t want anything from that. I just want to tell you that, because I do.\u201d\n\nI went away. I literally just prayed and fasted. I came back, and I remember seeing her. She was having a hard day, and she was starting to lose her hair from the chemo. She wasn\u2019t saying much, though; she wasn\u2019t opening up a lot. I go, \u201cListen, Melissa, if we\u2019re going to get married, you have to tell me what\u2019s going on\u2014share your feelings.\u201d [Laughter] We looked at each other, and we both started crying. I was like, \u201cYes, we should get married.\u201d She was like, \u201cAbsolutely.\u201d\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, again, we\u2019ve been listening to excerpts from an interview that we did about four years ago with Jeremy Camp, whose story is being told in a movie called <em>I Still Believe<\/em> that releases in theaters on Friday. We\u2019re excited about the movie. We\u2019re excited about the movie, because it\u2019s a great film; but the power of this movie is in what it says about love and about marriage and about where Jesus fits into that. You talk about a couple who understood what \u201cvertical\u201d means in marriage\u2014they understood it; didn\u2019t they?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, I would say that scene in the movie that we just heard Jeremy talk about is <em>so touching<\/em>. If you don\u2019t know the story, you don\u2019t see this coming, because it\u2019s so sacrificial; it\u2019s so selfless\u2014that it\u2019s such a beautiful picture of the love of God.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It also is a great reminder that God hears our prayers. They may not always go the way we want; but He hears, and He answers us, and He encourages us when we\u2019re most in need. It\u2019s a beautiful picture of that as well.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> As I said, there\u2019s a trailer on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com if you want a preview of the movie that\u2019s going to be in theaters this weekend. Go to our website; you can watch it there. We also have the book that Jeremy has written called <em>I Still Believe<\/em>, his story about his marriage to Melissa and how God brought beauty from the ashes of that relationship.\n\nGo to FamilyLifeToday.com to order the book, <em>I Still Believe<\/em>, or to watch the trailer for the movie that\u2019s going to be in theaters this weekend. Again, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com. You can also order the book by calling 1-800-FL-TODAY\u20141-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\nAs we hear Jeremy\u2019s story this week, we are reminded that we have hope in this life because of what Christ has done for us\u2014because of the resurrection of Christ\u2014because of Easter. Easter is about four weeks away at this point. Those of you who are parents or grandparents, if you are looking for a way to help your children or grandchildren better understand the Easter story, FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> has a tool we\u2019ve used for years to help introduce children to the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. It\u2019s a tool called Resurrection Eggs<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014a dozen plastic eggs with symbols inside that starts with a donkey and takes you all the way to an empty tomb. The story of Jesus\u2019s final week on Earth is told through these 12 resurrection eggs.\n\nWe\u2019d love to send you a set of these eggs. In fact, we\u2019re sending them out this week as a way of saying, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who believe in the vision of FamilyLife and want to see this daily program continue on your local station; you want to see us continue to reach more people, more regularly, with practical biblical help and hope\u2014encouragement for your marriage and your family.\n\nWhen you call to make a donation today or go online to donate, you can request a set of Resurrection Eggs. They\u2019re our gift to you when you support this ministry. Again, donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate by phone. Ask for your set of Resurrection Eggs when you get in touch with us.\n\nNow, tomorrow, Jeremy Camp takes us to the story of his marriage to his college sweetheart, Melissa, and about the unexpected journey that God had for them. We\u2019ll hear that tomorrow. I hope you can be with us for that.\n\nI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\nSong:\u00a0 <em>Set Me Free<\/em>\n\nArtist:\u00a0 Jeremy Camp [Performed Live on Program]\n\nAlbum: [First song written by Jeremy Camp]\n\n\u00a9Song:\u00a0<em>Get Away<\/em>\n\nArtist:\u00a0 Jeremy Camp [Performed Live on Program]\n\nAlbum: <em>Let Me Say <\/em>(p) 2000 by The Kry on Freedom Records\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\nWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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